08:00:04 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023 08:00:04 <sailbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 9 08:00:04 2023 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:04 <sailbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 08:00:04 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: 08:00:04 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-9th-november-2023/17180 08:00:04 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. 08:00:04 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info 08:00:06 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today 08:00:16 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community 08:01:29 <Crabster> #info Crabster - lurker 08:02:37 <flypig> #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community 08:03:58 <dr4Ke> #info dr4Ke, community 08:04:52 <Nico> #info Nico, community 08:05:08 <rainemak> let's move to the first topic 08:05:13 <rainemak> #topic Add a new tag not-reproducible to the category bug reports (5mins -- asked by pherjung) 08:05:13 <rainemak> #info <pherjung> Some details about the topic: Some bug reports are well written 08:05:13 <rainemak> #info <pherjung> and easily reproducible, but only with specific conditions. Until 08:05:13 <rainemak> #info <pherjung> these conditions are found, such a tag would be a nice to have. 08:05:31 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Thank you for this suggestion. This is sounds like a good idea. 08:05:31 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Are there other tags that we should add? 08:05:44 <rainemak> I think tag should be called 'non-reproducible'. How does that sound like? 08:07:13 <Nico> Well, it is reproducible apparently, so something like "rare" or so maybe would fit more, but it doesn't sound like a bug only tag :D 08:07:54 <rainemak> I'm not sure but those discourse tags might be bound to categories. But you're right. 08:08:26 <rainemak> Imo, rare is not same non-reproducible => both could be added 08:08:28 <Nico> I think some github repos use some prefix + uncommon 08:08:36 <Nico> Sure 08:08:45 <rainemak> uncommon is not bad either 08:08:51 <rainemak> instead of rare 08:09:03 <Nico> Yeah, I think it sounds better 08:09:22 <Nico> And it is not like tags are that expensive to maintain, I'd say 08:09:27 <Nico> Thank you :) 08:09:37 <rainemak> should we add then 'uncommon' and 'non-reproducible' 08:09:54 <Nico> I'd say that sounds good :) 08:10:04 <rainemak> Indeed, we can adjust them as we go 08:10:39 <rainemak> #action Add 'uncommon' and 'non-reproducible' tags for bug category (on the forum) 08:10:49 <rainemak> let's move on 08:10:58 <rainemak> #topic Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla) 08:11:06 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? 08:11:47 <Nico> flypig, do you have anything? 08:12:03 <Nico> Otherwise looking at the attendance it looks unlikely :D 08:12:12 <rainemak> You're right 08:12:38 <rainemak> There's no need to have 10min slot for this today 08:12:42 <rainemak> it seems 08:13:02 <flypig> Sorry, I was distracted :) No I don't have anything to mention. 08:13:17 <flypig> dcaliste is usually on top of this, but I think isn't joining today. 08:13:27 <Nico> Then let's move on, I guess :3 08:14:21 <rainemak> #topic Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) 08:14:21 <rainemak> #info <pherjung> Untracked bug reports 08:14:21 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-9th-november-2023/17180/3 08:14:38 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> As always, the Community Bug Coordination Team have done a superb job. 08:14:38 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> As a result of their work, we now have: 08:14:38 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> 7 high quality bug reports now recorded internally and tagged as "tracked". 08:14:38 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> 3 report is still under investigation. 08:15:06 <rainemak> btw, should also have 'needinfo' tag 08:15:26 <Nico> Sounds good :D 08:15:32 <Nico> All the tags! 08:15:45 <flypig> Some "good" bugs in that list, it would be nice to have fixes for. 08:16:06 <flypig> Nice work as always. 08:16:08 <rainemak> 'uncommon', 'non-reproducible' and 'needinfo' 08:16:40 <Nico> Clearly it should be "needsinfo" 08:16:45 * Nico starts bikeshedding 08:16:56 <flypig> What is bikeshedding? 08:17:03 <rainemak> #action Add 'uncommon', 'non-reproducible', 'needinfo' tags for bug category (on the forum) 08:17:10 <rainemak> let's move on 08:17:15 <Nico> When you argue about the color of the bike shed instead of more important things 08:17:23 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (5 min) 08:17:26 <flypig> Haha. Thanks Nico :) 08:17:37 <Nico> Because the other things are harder to argue about, but everyone has opinions about the color 08:17:42 <rainemak> flypig, great work once again with esr91 08:17:56 <Nico> Oh yeah, congrats on getting a picture out! 08:18:04 <Nico> It was a long and interesting ride! 08:18:08 <flypig> Thanks rainemak. I was happy to get a picture, but there's still a lot more to do though :) 08:18:12 <rainemak> hopefully, embedlite-components fixing would be enough to get touch working 08:18:13 <flypig> Thanks Nico too. 08:18:45 <flypig> rainemak, yes, I'm hoping you're right. There are a lot of errors from the JavaScript parts, so fixing those will surely help (and be necessary). 08:18:46 <rainemak> flypig, yeap, indeed there are but this is a good milestone 08:19:08 <flypig> I'm really keen to get the changes into the Jolla repos though. Is that doable? 08:19:21 <Nico> At least you are now not working completely in the dark :3 08:19:25 <rainemak> and in any case those needs to be fixed as that's the glue between user interface and the engine 08:19:33 <flypig> Nico, exactly, that makes a huge difference. 08:19:42 <flypig> rainemak, indeed! 08:20:02 <rainemak> I created sailfishos-esr91 branches some time back already for each repository 08:20:19 <flypig> Thanks rainemak. So I should create a PR into them? 08:20:25 <rainemak> please, create PRs for them 08:20:34 <flypig> What to do about the changes in the gecko-mirror repo though? 08:20:43 <flypig> Turn them into patches already? 08:20:57 <flypig> (I'd prefer not to, but the mirror should be a mirror, right?) 08:21:00 <rainemak> I think that's the only feasible way 08:21:28 <rainemak> it's only git am --3way away from being the same 08:21:44 <rainemak> even --3way is not needed when they are all clean 08:22:20 <rainemak> and your own clone can contain patches applied 08:22:25 <Nico> Maybe it is a good time to now find at least some patches that are obviously correct and part them out and keep the other stuff still in your gecko branch for now? 08:23:08 <flypig> Yeah, it'll need some work and thought, because some patches are spread across multiple commits currently. I just need to put the time in. 08:23:24 <rainemak> worth noting that sailfishos-esr91 branches can be considered as work-in-progress branches 08:23:32 <ExTechOp> By the way, have people been bothered with the "sounds disappear" bug, since I noticed that I haven't seen it for a while? https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/4-1-0-23-4-0-1-48-4-4-0-64-4-5-0-16-no-notification-sounds-ringing-sms-alarm/4886/ 08:23:51 <Nico> No, my sounds has been very solid recently 08:24:02 <flypig> Yes, I've not experienced this either I'm afraid. 08:24:30 <Nico> Otoh, I also drowned my 10 II and am on a 10 III now :D 08:25:22 <flypig> Drowned?! I thought the 10 II was waterproof (in practice, but not on paper). 08:25:22 <ExTechOp> Another question, do we expect the echo cancellation on Xperia 10 III to be fixed any time soon, I'm getting tired of needing headphones to use it? 08:26:16 <rainemak> I think it's on sony's side. So, I have my doubts. 08:26:28 <Nico> flypig, it had a tiny hair crack in the screen and then I got into a bad thunderstorm with hail and lots of water on top of a mountain between Austria and Italy and it then got a blue screen and then a black screen :D 08:26:46 <Nico> Possibly fixable, but had no time for that yet 08:26:55 <ExTechOp> Nico A heroic death for a phone. 08:27:05 <flypig> Oh dear :( You clearly give your phone a bit of a workout! 08:27:12 <Nico> It helped me out a lot, so it will be remembered dearly :3 08:27:44 <rainemak> let's schedule next meeting... next 08:27:45 <Nico> But also it was a nice digital detox for the rest of the journey :D 08:27:48 <flypig> I hope you weren't relying on it to get you down the mountain again? 08:28:20 <Nico> Well, kinda, but Mountains have the nice property, that the way down is usually indicated by a decline 08:28:30 <flypig> Ha ha :D 08:28:39 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min) 08:28:39 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 23rd November at 07:00am UTC. 08:28:51 <Nico> And it was only like 5 days left of hiking and it was the same general direction as before 08:29:07 <Nico> Sounds good as a date, rainemak :3 08:29:18 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 23rd November 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-11-23T0700Z 08:29:28 <rainemak> settled then 08:29:35 <rainemak> Thank you everyone for the meeting! 08:29:35 <ExTechOp> Works for me. 08:29:38 <flypig> Great! 08:29:42 <ExTechOp> Thank you everybody! 08:29:43 <flypig> Thanks rainemak, all! 08:29:46 <rainemak> #endmeeting