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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 7th Dec 2023
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Meeting started by rainemak at 08:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-12-07-08.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  08:00:31)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-7th-december-2023/17429
  (rainemak, 08:00:31)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 08:00:31)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 08:00:33)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today  (rainemak,
    08:00:57)
  * Zyuc2G, community/dev  (Zyuc2G, 08:01:07)
  * Crabster - lurker  (Crabster, 08:01:29)
  * Lukáš Karas - community developer  (karry, 08:01:39)
  * Pami Ketolainen, sailor @ Jolla  (Keto, 08:01:41)
  * Simonas Leleiva -- privateer for wotsits:)  (sledges, 08:01:45)
  * Vlad G., community  (b100dian[m], 08:01:49)
  * Damien Caliste, community  (dcaliste, 08:05:06)
  * Peter G., community  (nephros, 08:05:41)

* Future of Jolla (8mins -- asked by Valorsoguerriero97)  (rainemak,
  08:05:52)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> There are ongoing rumors, docs and newspaper
    citing that  (rainemak, 08:05:52)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> Jolla is under debt restoration, how it is
    going? The plan  (rainemak, 08:05:52)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> is accepted? What we can do to help? What are
    the consequences  (rainemak, 08:05:52)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> for SFOS and supported devices?  (rainemak,
    08:05:52)
  * <Jolla> A solution was finally found on November 24, 2023 as the
    local District Court  (rainemak, 08:06:22)
  * <Jolla> decided on the restructuring program and obligated a
    complete sale of the business  (rainemak, 08:06:22)
  * <Jolla> to another company. The entire business and staff of Jolla
    Ltd. has now transferred  (rainemak, 08:06:22)
  * <Jolla> to a new company in whole.  (rainemak, 08:06:22)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:06:23)
  * <Jolla> The new legal entity was named Jollyboys Ltd, but as it has
    now acquired the Jolla and  (rainemak, 08:06:25)
  * <Jolla> Sailfish brands and trademarks, you may consider the legal
    entity name to be secondary  (rainemak, 08:06:28)
  * <Jolla> - it’s the new Jolla anyway.  (rainemak, 08:06:31)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:06:42)
  * <Jolla> No consequences for Sailfish OS as entire business and staff
    were transferred to another  (rainemak, 08:06:42)
  * <Jolla> company. Similarly, Sailfish X program continued as part of
    business transfer.  (rainemak, 08:06:42)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:06:44)
  * <Jolla> Let’s keep on sailing together!  (rainemak, 08:06:46)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:06:48)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-30th-november-jolla-reborn/17473
    (rainemak, 08:06:50)
  * tuplasuhveli, community (late and currently at work)
    (tuplasuhveli[m], 08:09:05)

* Drain on Xperia 10 III (3mins -- asked by Valorsoguerriero97)
  (rainemak, 08:17:52)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> There are some bug reports citing that the 10
    III is having battery  (rainemak, 08:17:57)
  * <Valorsoguerriero97> drain, what’s the point of solving those
    issues?  (rainemak, 08:17:57)
  * <Jolla> These has been some investigation into the battery drain but
    no obvious reason  (rainemak, 08:18:03)
  * <Jolla> has been found yet.  (rainemak, 08:18:03)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/high-battery-drainage-xperia-10-iii/12393
    (rainemak, 08:18:03)

* OBS tar_git support of fileserver (5mins -- asked by vlagged /
  b100dian)  (rainemak, 08:20:15)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> There is at least a tar_git copy on github
    which supports  (rainemak, 08:20:24)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> a command-line param called “fileserver” 1.
    This would allow  (rainemak, 08:20:24)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> a build to start by downloading an internet
    resource of a known  (rainemak, 08:20:24)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> SHA-1 if listed in a _sources file.  (rainemak,
    08:20:24)
  * <vlagged / b100dian>  (rainemak, 08:20:24)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> This is however not listed in the service spec
    now.  (rainemak, 08:20:26)
  * <vlagged / b100dian>  (rainemak, 08:20:27)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> The use case is for example software built with
    npm or yarn which cannot  (rainemak, 08:20:29)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> run on OBS (network access) or has a very high
    cache size (think 500MiB  (rainemak, 08:20:32)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> cache for a 5MiB build output) - however can be
    easily be built in other  (rainemak, 08:20:35)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> CI systems such as github/gitlab/codeberg’s.
    (rainemak, 08:20:38)
  * <vlagged / b100dian>  (rainemak, 08:20:42)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> It would be useful to use the output of a such
    build automatically in  (rainemak, 08:20:44)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> an OBS build (which would do the non-nodejs
    part such as qml, c++ rpm  (rainemak, 08:20:47)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> packages) by specifying the URL to download &
    the expected SHA-1 sum,  (rainemak, 08:20:50)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> just as fileserver param is doing.  (rainemak,
    08:20:53)
  * LINK:
    https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/obs-service-tar-git/blob/master/tar_git#L69
    (rainemak, 08:20:55)
  * <Jolla> The fileserver parameter in tar_git is not listed in the
    service spec because it allows  (rainemak, 08:20:57)
  * <Jolla> access to local files. So it would require some
    modifications before enabling.  (rainemak, 08:21:00)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:21:02)
  * <Jolla> There are also other OBS source services which provide
    similar functionality and which  (rainemak, 08:21:04)
  * <Jolla> we could consider enabling  (rainemak, 08:21:07)
  * LINK: https://github.com/openSUSE/obs-service-download_files
    (rainemak, 08:21:09)
  * LINK: https://github.com/openSUSE/obs-service-download_url
    (rainemak, 08:21:13)
  * <Jolla> Those do not seem to have checksum verification for the
    downloaded file, but otherwise  (rainemak, 08:21:15)
  * <Jolla> should be fit for the purpose.  (rainemak, 08:21:18)

* PWA / Web Push notifications (10mins -- asked by vlagged / b100dian)
  (rainemak, 08:29:25)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> Web push notifications are usually available
    when service workers are.  (rainemak, 08:29:25)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> This allows a running browser/webview app to
    get messages from websocket  (rainemak, 08:29:25)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> connections and pass them to the host OS as
    native notifications.  (rainemak, 08:29:25)
  * <vlagged / b100dian>  (rainemak, 08:29:26)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> Currently sailfish-browser doesn’t pass HTML5
    Web Notifications  (rainemak, 08:29:28)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> Test - Bennish.net (no popup for permission =>
    denied). Is there any  (rainemak, 08:29:30)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> specific place this could is tweaked to “say
    no” and where would a  (rainemak, 08:29:32)
  * <vlagged / b100dian> browser/webview patch need to look at first to
    enable these?  (rainemak, 08:29:35)
  * LINK: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API
    (rainemak, 08:29:37)
  * LINK: https://www.bennish.net/web-notifications.html   (rainemak,
    08:29:39)
  * <Jolla> Web push notifications need support at least to
    sailfish-components-webview and  (rainemak, 08:30:02)
  * <Jolla> embedlite-components and possibly browser or other
    components but it is not a huge  (rainemak, 08:30:02)
  * <Jolla> task but still takes quite an amount of work. PWAs i.e.
    progressive web apps are  (rainemak, 08:30:02)
  * <Jolla> apps that run using web engine but appear as regular apps
    and thus need a lot more  (rainemak, 08:30:02)
  * <Jolla> such as launcher integration, handling of
    installation/uninstallation and  (rainemak, 08:30:03)
  * <Jolla> many other changes and therefore is a lot bigger task.
    (rainemak, 08:30:05)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:30:07)
  * <Jolla> In general, progressive web apps are something that we
    should look in the light  (rainemak, 08:30:09)
  * <Jolla> of new technology development. Mozilla’s developer network
    has a good article  (rainemak, 08:30:13)
  * <Jolla> regarding progressive web apps – worth reading if you’re not
    familiar with  (rainemak, 08:30:15)
  * <Jolla> progressive web apps.  (rainemak, 08:30:17)
  * LINK:
    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps
    (rainemak, 08:30:19)
  * ACTION: Jolla to check whether we could resurrect past web
    notification work  (rainemak, 08:37:52)

* New ownership and opensourcing/GPLv3 (10mins -- asked by Zyuc2G)
  (rainemak, 08:41:07)
  * <Zyuc2G> Given SailfishOS proprietary assets are under new
    ownership, is there any renewed  (rainemak, 08:41:07)
  * <Zyuc2G> effort to release them under FOSS licensing (in particular
    Silica)?  (rainemak, 08:41:07)
  * <Jolla> This question relates to the strategy work of the new Jolla.
    We will come back  (rainemak, 08:41:22)
  * <Jolla> to you asking questions. For now, please give us time for
    the strategy work.  (rainemak, 08:41:22)

* Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:45:18)
  * <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?  (rainemak, 08:45:26)
  * <topic> Bug reports by the community bug coordination team (5 min --
    asked by thigg)  (rainemak, 08:48:22)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/new-role-community-bug-coordinator/10935
    (rainemak, 08:48:22)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-7th-december-2023/17429/9
    (rainemak, 08:48:22)
  * <thigg> Only got a few items prepared this time  (rainemak,
    08:48:22)
  * <Jolla> As a result of the work, we now have:  (rainemak, 08:48:22)
  * <Jolla> 1 high quality bug reports now recorded internally and
    tagged as "tracked"  (rainemak, 08:48:24)
  * <Jolla> 2 bug reports tagged as fixed.  (rainemak, 08:48:25)
  * <Jolla> As always, big thanks to the bug coordination team!
    (rainemak, 08:48:27)

* General discussion (5 min)  (rainemak, 08:50:47)
  * LINK: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Push_Notifications   (flypig,
    08:52:15)
  * <Jolla> We'll get back to OSS components when time is right.
    (rainemak, 08:55:11)
  * <Jolla> For now, please give us time for the strategy work.
    (rainemak, 08:56:34)

* Next meeting time and date (1 min)  (rainemak, 08:59:49)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 21st December 2023 at 08:00am
    UTC: 2023-12-21T0800Z  (rainemak, 09:00:55)

Meeting ended at 09:01:02 UTC.




Action Items
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* Jolla to check whether we could resurrect past web notification work




Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * Jolla to check whether we could resurrect past web notification work




People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* rainemak (164)
* b100dian[m] (27)
* sledges (12)
* Keto (8)
* flypig (7)
* ExTechOp (6)
* nephros (5)
* Zyuc2G (4)
* sailbot_ (2)
* dcaliste (2)
* poetaster (2)
* Crabster (1)
* karry (1)
* tuplasuhveli[m] (1)
* sebix[m] (1)




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