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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 21st Dec 2023
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Meeting started by rainemak at 08:00:11 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-12-21-08.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  08:00:11)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-21st-december-2023/17546
  (rainemak, 08:00:11)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 08:00:13)
  * Ville Nummela - sailor @ Jolla  (ViGe, 08:01:00)
  * Matti Viljanen - community  (direc85[m], 08:01:09)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen - sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today  (rainemak,
    08:01:22)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 08:01:35)
  * voidanix - lurking virtuoso  (voidanix[m], 08:01:39)
  * Ruben De Smet - community  (rubdos[m], 08:02:54)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones - community  (flypig, 08:03:12)
  * Pami Ketolainen - Sailor @ Jolla  (Keto, 08:03:33)

* Status of VoLTE packages availability (10mins -- asked by voidanix)
  (rainemak, 08:05:46)
  * <voidanix> another SFOS release is supposedly behind the corner and
    many  (rainemak, 08:06:01)
  * <voidanix> carriers have been shutting down their 3G/2G
    infrastructures  (rainemak, 08:06:01)
  * <voidanix> this year. What is blocking Jolla from releasing the
    (currently  (rainemak, 08:06:01)
  * <voidanix> proprietary) VoLTE packages to public repositories,
    similarly  (rainemak, 08:06:01)
  * <voidanix> to how sailfish-fpd/sailfish-fpd-slave-binder are
    available,  (rainemak, 08:06:01)
  * <voidanix> for the next release? Even if possibly incompatible with
    other  (rainemak, 08:06:02)
  * <voidanix> devices, they would be of great use with ports whose
    (rainemak, 08:06:04)
  * <voidanix> architecture is close to the ones of the SFOS X supported
    (rainemak, 08:06:06)
  * <voidanix> devices (Qualcomm in general).  (rainemak, 08:06:10)
  * <Jolla> Guess you’re referring to public OBS repositories. In theory
    that  (rainemak, 08:06:37)
  * <Jolla> should be doable. Difference to sailfish-fpd /  (rainemak,
    08:06:37)
  * <Jolla> sailfish-fpd-slave-binder is that those are based on binder
    (rainemak, 08:06:37)
  * <Jolla> interface whereas VoLTE is not based on similar common
    interface.  (rainemak, 08:06:37)
  * <Jolla> Rather being hardware specific. So logically VoLTE belongs
    to  (rainemak, 08:06:38)
  * <Jolla> adaptation repository. That said, let’s see what we could
    do.  (rainemak, 08:06:40)
  * <Jolla> This was added to our internal issue tracker as well.
    (rainemak, 08:06:42)
  * Peter G., late community lurker  (nephros, 08:10:23)
  * <<voidanix> Thank you for the update; i raised this because we
    recently got a FOSS volte implementation on android  (rainemak,
    08:11:02)
  * <voidanix> you can find the code at https://github.com/phhusson/ims
    (rainemak, 08:11:21)
  * LINK: https://github.com/phhusson/ims   (rainemak, 08:11:30)
  * <voidanix> The first volte calls on samsung w/ custom ROM were done
    very recently with FOSS volte implementation on Android  (rainemak,
    08:14:07)

* Status of OpenSSL (5mins -- asked by voidanix)  (rainemak, 08:16:21)
  * <voidanix> OpenSSL 1.1.1 has reached EOL in September this year. Is
    Jolla  (rainemak, 08:16:27)
  * <voidanix> already working internally on an upgrade to the latest
    3.1 (or  (rainemak, 08:16:28)
  * <voidanix> even better, 3.2) version? If not, should we expect it
    for the  (rainemak, 08:16:28)
  * <voidanix> release following the next one?  (rainemak, 08:16:28)
  * <Jolla> Yes, we’re preparing & working on OpenSSL 3.1 upgrade, and
    target  (rainemak, 08:16:39)
  * <Jolla> is to get it for the next release. We have done a great
    amount of  (rainemak, 08:16:39)
  * <Jolla> package updates due to various reasons. With the updated
    packages  (rainemak, 08:16:39)
  * <Jolla> hopefully, we are not hitting too many builds errors when
    removing  (rainemak, 08:16:39)
  * <Jolla> deprecated OpenSSL 1.0 functions. Fixing this is a
    requirement to  (rainemak, 08:16:39)
  * <Jolla> go to 3.1. If we miss the next release, then target would be
    the  (rainemak, 08:16:40)
  * <Jolla> release after next.  (rainemak, 08:16:42)

* cross-packages (10mins -- asked by rubdos and direc85)  (rainemak,
  08:23:03)
  * <rubdos> Since 2022-12-14, several packages (including rust and
    cargo) have  (rainemak, 08:23:14)
  * <rubdos> build dependencies on
    cross-{armv7hl,aarch64}-{gcc,binutils,as,glibc}  (rainemak,
    08:23:14)
  * <rubdos> and some more. I assume some refactoring has been done in
    the  (rainemak, 08:23:14)
  * <rubdos> packaging, since before that time, we could build rust etc.
    (rainemak, 08:23:14)
  * <rubdos> ourselves on the Platform SDK. These packages are nowhere
    to be  (rainemak, 08:23:14)
  * <rubdos> found, nor can we find a way to build them ourselves,
    currently.  (rainemak, 08:23:16)
  * <rubdos> This makes it difficult to contribute patches to Rust (and
    gcc  (rainemak, 08:23:17)
  * <rubdos> and gecko, cc flypig), especially in terms of testing the
    (rainemak, 08:23:19)
  * <rubdos> resulting compiler.  (rainemak, 08:23:21)
  * <rubdos>  (rainemak, 08:23:23)
  * <rubdos> Would it be possible for Jolla to provide us with some
    insight,  (rainemak, 08:23:25)
  * <rubdos> sources and/or binaries for these missing dependencies? We
    have  (rainemak, 08:23:27)
  * <rubdos> asked mal on IRC a few times, to which the understandable
    answer  (rainemak, 08:23:29)
  * <rubdos> was that he could test the build on OBS. This is however
    not a  (rainemak, 08:23:31)
  * <rubdos> sustainable process, especially since we currently don’t
    get our  (rainemak, 08:23:33)
  * <rubdos> hands on the resulting 1.72 compiler.  (rainemak, 08:23:35)
  * <rubdos>  (rainemak, 08:23:39)
  * <rubdos> rainemak already said in the previous meeting to have a
    look at  (rainemak, 08:23:41)
  * <rubdos> this, but I’d like to formalize the request here. Thank
    you!  (rainemak, 08:23:43)
  * <Jolla> Short answer, yes it is possible that we provide insight.
    Whilst we  (rainemak, 08:23:51)
  * <Jolla> were looking into this we noticed that testing the OBS build
    was  (rainemak, 08:23:51)
  * <Jolla> ok. As answer ended up being too long to irc meeting, we
    posted it  (rainemak, 08:23:51)
  * <Jolla> to the forum already. That should be a good baseline to
    continue  (rainemak, 08:23:52)
  * <Jolla> the discussion.  (rainemak, 08:23:53)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-21st-december-2023/17546/11
    (rainemak, 08:23:55)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:23:57)
  * <Jolla> Due to this question, we should create an article to the
    (rainemak, 08:23:59)
  * <Jolla> docs.sailfishos.org out of this explanation. Please do not
    hesitate  (rainemak, 08:24:01)
  * <Jolla> to reach for example rainemak in some channel if you’re
    still  (rainemak, 08:24:03)
  * <Jolla> facing issues.  (rainemak, 08:24:05)
  * ACTION: <Jolla> Create an article to the docs.sailfishos.org
    regarding this topic  (rainemak, 08:30:31)

* What are the plans to enable 5G connectivity? (5mins -- asked by TNZ &
  cquence)  (rainemak, 08:31:46)
  * <cquence> I remember some work taking place a while ago. Any update
    you  (rainemak, 08:32:00)
  * <cquence> can share would be great! P.S. Well done on the
    restructuring  (rainemak, 08:32:00)
  * <cquence> and fair winds ahead! I probably won’t be able to attend
    due to  (rainemak, 08:32:00)
  * <cquence> work commitments but will read the logs afterwards.
    (rainemak, 08:32:00)
  * <Jolla> There are 3-5 major stories which we’d still like to sort
    out for  (rainemak, 08:32:08)
  * <Jolla> the next release and 5G is one of them. So far 5G works on
    (rainemak, 08:32:08)
  * <Jolla> Sailfish OS side but AppSupport plugin is not yet finalized.
    Half  (rainemak, 08:32:08)
  * <Jolla> cooked version is bad as that would break mobile data with
    (rainemak, 08:32:09)
  * <Jolla> AppSupport. If we miss the next release, then target would
    be the  (rainemak, 08:32:11)
  * <Jolla> release after next.  (rainemak, 08:32:13)
  * LINK: https://github.com/mer-hybris/ofono-binder-plugin/pull/28
    (rainemak, 08:35:56)

* Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:38:52)
  * <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?  (rainemak, 08:38:52)
  * <topic> Bug reports by the community bug coordination team (5 min --
    asked by Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:42:03)
  * <Jolla> No bug reports for this community meeting. Merry Christmas
    for the  (rainemak, 08:42:03)
  * <Jolla> whole Community Bug Coordination Team and happy new year!
    You have  (rainemak, 08:42:03)
  * <Jolla> done fantastic job the year!  (rainemak, 08:42:03)
  * <topic> Bug reports by the community bug coordination team (5 min --
    asked by Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:42:22)

* Bug reports by the community bug coordination team (5 min -- asked by
  Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:43:24)
  * <Jolla> No bug reports for this community meeting. Merry Christmas
    for the  (rainemak, 08:43:43)
  * <Jolla> whole Community Bug Coordination Team and happy new year!
    You have  (rainemak, 08:43:43)
  * <Jolla> done fantastic job the year!  (rainemak, 08:43:43)

* General discussion (10 min)  (rainemak, 08:44:27)
  * Some 5G related PRs  (rainemak, 08:44:53)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/ofono/pull/40   (rainemak,
    08:44:54)
  * LINK: https://github.com/mer-hybris/ofono-binder-plugin/pull/28
    (rainemak, 08:44:54)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/libqofonoext/pull/3   (rainemak,
    08:44:54)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/libgofono/pull/2   (rainemak,
    08:44:54)
  * <Jolla> If you’re interested in testing CLAT with latest changes,
    please  (rainemak, 08:46:54)
  * <Jolla> read from here
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/testing-clat-for-ipv6-only-mobile-networks/14520/175
    (rainemak, 08:46:54)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/testing-clat-for-ipv6-only-mobile-networks/14520/175
    (rainemak, 08:46:54)
  * <Jolla> The release will occur when it's ready ;)  (rainemak,
    08:47:29)
  * <Jolla> We wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy new year! This is
    the last community meeting of this year.  (rainemak, 08:50:23)

* Next meeting time and date (5 mins)  (rainemak, 08:56:07)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th January 2023 at 08:00am
    UTC: 2024-01-11T0800Z  (rainemak, 09:00:24)

Meeting ended at 09:03:16 UTC.




Action Items
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* <Jolla> Create an article to the docs.sailfishos.org regarding this
  topic




Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * <Jolla> Create an article to the docs.sailfishos.org regarding this
    topic




People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* rainemak (168)
* flypig (21)
* direc85[m] (18)
* rubdos[m] (15)
* voidanix[m] (13)
* ExTechOp (9)
* ViGe (6)
* sailbot_ (2)
* Keto (2)
* nephros (2)




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