07:02:46 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd August 2024
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07:02:51 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
07:02:56 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-aug-2024/19621 I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
07:03:13 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-aug-2024/19621
07:03:19 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
07:03:24 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
07:03:37 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
07:03:50 <flypig> #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community
07:04:02 <sebix[m]> #info Sebix, community
07:04:15 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla
07:04:58 <rainemak> No topics today but let's use more time to general discussion
07:05:10 <rainemak> And of course Open PRs
07:05:23 <rainemak> #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
07:06:52 <rainemak> Maybe pvuorela, dcaliste, flypig,  rubdos (or somebody else) have some?
07:08:28 <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, community
07:10:26 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (20 mins)
07:12:09 <rainemak> We communicated a mandatory architectural change in the telephony stack a month
07:12:14 <rainemak> ago. I am pleased to update on the progress. We have successfully done 2G and 3G
07:12:21 <rainemak> calls also SMS works. There are tons of different telephony related APIs already
07:12:26 <rainemak> working which is very very good progress. We're working on VoLTE as well but
07:12:37 <direc85[m]> Any progress with the Rust PR? Still issues with gecko?
07:12:37 <rainemak> requires still implementation time. As you may understand getting VoLTE working
07:12:44 <rainemak> properly in multiple countries is trick. Thus, we'd like to understand whether
07:12:49 <rainemak> there would be willingness to help test C2 VoLTE in different countries?
07:16:02 <flypig> Great to hear about the good progress. What would testing involve? I'd be more than willing to help if I can.
07:16:14 <direc85[m]> I think [@rubdos:rubdos.be](https://matrix.to/#/@rubdos:rubdos.be) might be interested?
07:16:46 <rainemak> I'm thinking that few pre ordered ones could get their devices a earlier.
07:17:45 <flypig> I'm sure you'll get a lot of uptake for help with that. Definitely I'd be in for testing in the UK if that's needed.
07:17:57 <rainemak> Something one Sailfish OS user per country where we're selling. I'm not saying that we should cover all EU counties but biggest ones.
07:18:24 <rainemak> s/EU counties/EU countries/
07:18:43 <direc85[m]> Perhaps a ping on the forum is needed, it's quiet in here...
07:19:08 <direc85[m]> ^for participants
07:19:12 <rainemak> direc85[m]: that's the thinking but first trying to understand it over here
07:20:22 <rainemak> flypig: btw I reverted "Create GLLibraryEGL as a singleton in GLContextProviderEGL" from my gecko build but I don't have a good build yet
07:21:33 <rainemak> direc85[m]: you mean this one https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/pull/23
07:21:49 <sebix[m]> rainemak: we can cover Austria and in parts also neighboring countries (not permanently, but for singular tests)
07:22:34 <direc85[m]> [@_oftc_rainemak:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@_oftc_rainemak:matrix.org) yes
07:23:09 <rainemak> sebix[m]: great!
07:23:27 <flypig> rainemak: in case it helps, this morning I pushed two changes to fix Rust compilation using the 4.6 SDK. With krnlyng's fix, it runs on 4.6 as well for me here.
07:24:16 <rainemak> flypig: did you have that "Create GLLibraryEGL as a singleton in GLContextProviderEGL" included or not
07:24:37 <rainemak> flypig: I'll let my next build first finalize and then try with your latest changes
07:24:39 <flypig> No, I had to remove it too.
07:25:05 <rainemak> like it's in the libhybris
07:25:35 <rainemak> likely
07:25:46 <flypig> Could it be something getting released too early in the gecko code though?
07:25:56 <flypig> That's the sort of mistake I would make!
07:26:27 <rainemak> doesn't sound likely
07:26:57 <direc85[m]> Re: newer Rust causes build failures: updating crates to newer patch releases can be more efficient than hunting for patches, maybe
07:27:01 <rainemak> your rpms worked on top 4.5.0 release as well after adding some symlinks and copying newer libstdc++ there
07:27:40 <rainemak> flypig:  ^ that's why I don't think it's accidental unload on your code
07:28:11 <flypig> direc85[m]: that sounds like a good idea, but also something I wouldn't know how to do. Maybe you could give me some more detailed offline advice?
07:28:16 <rainemak> flypig: will check your recent changes later
07:29:09 <direc85[m]> The only thing I found about the possibly-wayland-related crash was flooding the API with palette related updates, but that was with Qt 6 I think
07:29:33 <flypig> rainemak: yes, I see what you mean. I'm not sure I can help much if it's in hybris I'm afraid. But I'll check just in case I can see anything obvious on the gecko side today.
07:29:47 <rubdos[m]> C2 other countries: I can do Belgium indeed, but I haven't received any info on the C2 payment yet
07:30:02 <direc85[m]> [@flypig:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@flypig:matrix.org) sure thing! I'll try it myself first.
07:30:04 <flypig> direc85[m]: I saw thtat too in the Qt bug tracker I think. Thanks for checking for it.
07:30:07 <rubdos[m]> I have a spare SIM that I can use, and I can probably use some sims from colleagues for it
07:30:11 <rubdos[m]> and friends
07:30:24 <rainemak> rubdos[m]: we'll do a separate update to the forum on this VoLTE / cellular testing
07:30:26 <flypig> direc85[m]: thank you, that's be really great!
07:30:51 <rubdos[m]> ack!
07:32:04 <flypig> Was there useful feedback from the C2 survey? https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-community-phone-your-feedback-is-needed/19522
07:32:43 <rainemak> Yes, and we're digesting results
07:33:33 <rainemak> pretty silent here, should we schedule next meeting
07:33:44 <flypig> I'd love it if you could give an idea of the "flavour" of the response you got at some point. Filling it out made me have to think about things...
07:33:53 <direc85[m]> About C2: will it be flashable in case something goes wrong? Jolla Phone wasn't...
07:34:22 <direc85[m]> (had to dd some partitions)
07:34:28 <rainemak> direc85[m]: not concluded yet as there are options
07:34:53 <flypig> Another quick question from me. I'm getting a handle on the latest C2, Xperia 10 IV/V and Mind2 updates. Are these the best links?
07:34:58 <flypig> https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-mind2-development-update/19734
07:35:01 <flypig> https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-community-phone-deliveries/19468
07:35:04 <flypig> https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/xperia-1-iv-5-iv-and-10-iv-support/11394/259
07:35:16 <direc85[m]> [@_oftc_rainemak:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@_oftc_rainemak:matrix.org) sounds good :)
07:35:23 <rainemak> yeap
07:35:48 <rainemak> #info Handles on the latest C2, Xperia 10 IV/V and Mind2 updates
07:35:54 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-mind2-development-update/19734
07:36:02 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-community-phone-deliveries/19468
07:36:11 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/xperia-1-iv-5-iv-and-10-iv-support/11394/259
07:36:35 <rainemak> let's schedule next meeting
07:36:37 <flypig> Great, thank you rainemak. I try to keep track, but it's easy to get lost.
07:36:53 <rainemak> maybe we should pin them
07:37:02 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins)
07:37:11 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 5th September at 07:00am UTC
07:38:06 <ExTechOp> Works4me
07:39:15 <direc85[m]> Ok with me
07:39:20 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 5th September 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-09-05T0700Z
07:39:24 <rainemak> #endmeeting