08:00:32 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025
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08:00:32 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
08:00:32 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-13th-march-2025/22380/2
08:00:40 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
08:00:40 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
08:00:45 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
08:00:46 <rainemak> Good morning
08:00:52 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla
08:01:00 <ViGe> #info Ville Nummela, Community
08:01:21 <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla
08:01:27 <direc85[m]> And good morning!
08:02:43 <abr> #info Andrew Branson, sailing by
08:02:47 <pvuorela> #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla
08:04:34 <rainemak> Alright, let's go then...
08:04:44 <rainemak> we have one topic today
08:04:56 <rainemak> #topic Tuning the OOM killer on Xperia 10 III (5 mins -- asked by tuplasuhveli)
08:05:04 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> By default, applications are getting killed quite
08:05:04 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> aggressively. However, we have now had over two years to
08:05:04 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> test the values suggested by @direc85 [Tuning the oom
08:05:04 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> killer / low memory killer - #60 by direc85 5] and
08:05:04 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> everyone seems to think they work better than the default
08:05:05 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> ones. Therefore, I’m asking, if these values could be used
08:05:09 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> by default, so even people who don’t actively read this
08:05:11 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> forum and / or are not comfortable with CLI, could enjoy
08:05:13 <rainemak> #info <tuplasuhveli> a smoother experience on their 10 III.
08:05:36 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Yes, as tuplasuhveli noted about this we have applied these
08:05:36 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> default values.
08:05:54 <rainemak> surely we can further adjust and improve
08:06:01 <rainemak> Maybe direc85 has something to add as well.
08:06:42 <rainemak> This could actually be something for the next smaller update <- would you cherry-pick direc85[m] if not already done
08:07:34 <rainemak> Any opinions?
08:07:38 <direc85[m]> I indeed used the lowered values on my Xperia 10 III for years without issues, and work is ongoing to make those the default values.
08:08:37 <rainemak> direc85[m], so changes are not yet integrated?
08:08:45 <ExTechOp> I've noted that the application killer has indeed gotten more aggressive in the latest releases, and it'd be nice if it weren't quite so.
08:08:53 <rainemak> ^ I'd say close in any case
08:09:14 <rainemak> ExTechOp, nope... we haven't touched those values
08:09:45 <ExTechOp> When were they last changed?
08:10:07 <rainemak> ^ direc85[m] could you check from the git log?
08:10:09 <direc85[m]> Not yet, I'll check it next.
08:11:58 <rainemak> as we do not have other topics, we can extend this by 5mins
08:14:26 <abr> if other things are taking more memory, then the OOM might appear more aggressive?
08:14:37 <rainemak> abr, that's correct
08:15:24 <ExTechOp> Indeed, if the kernel or other parts of the OS have gotten bigger that'd happen. Question: the OOM killer seems such a primitive solution, has anyone worked on anything more sophisticated?
08:16:23 <piggz[m]> Would zram help?
08:16:56 <rainemak> ExTechOp,  2022-03-12 time last before this change
08:16:59 <piggz[m]> Or whatever that compressed swap in ram thing is
08:17:01 <rainemak> last time
08:17:16 <rainemak> another 5mins
08:18:22 <rainemak> ExTechOp, ^ meaning that never changed/updated <- originally introduced with that commit
08:18:27 <ExTechOp> OK
08:19:28 <rainemak> anyhow, this could be something for the next minor update as well
08:19:34 <rainemak> let's move on
08:19:44 <rainemak> #topic Open PR discussion (15 mins -- asked by Jolla)
08:19:45 <direc85[m]> The minfree change is now merged internally.
08:20:44 <piggz[m]> Could i ask if jolla would like to look into adding webauthn to the browser. Its quite a significant security feature these days, and a notable omission. Thinking nfc/usb.
08:21:03 <piggz[m]> Can wait for generak discussion
08:21:11 <rainemak> let's have it in general
08:21:27 <dcaliste> Hello, sorry to be late...
08:21:31 <rainemak> no worry
08:22:02 <rainemak> maybe we jump to general discussion
08:22:11 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (15 mins)
08:22:39 <rainemak> #info <piggz[m]> Could i ask if jolla would like to look into adding webauthn to the browser. Its quite a significant security feature these days, and a notable omission. Thinking nfc/usb.
08:23:09 <rainemak> Good point. however, I'm not sure when we'd have time.
08:23:41 <rainemak> Similarly I've been pondering various privacy related prefs. Anti fingerprinting etc.
08:23:58 <rainemak> It was recently raised in the forum as well.
08:25:15 <rainemak> This one https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/enhancing-privacy-in-sailfish-browser/12904
08:25:35 <rainemak> 3years old but commented again 3days ago :-)
08:25:48 <piggz[m]> I have a feature request logged against the browser since last year
08:25:51 <rainemak> ^ no, 8days ago
08:25:57 <rainemak> piggz[m], I know
08:26:39 <rainemak> mal just recently commented about that as well, referring to your report
08:27:09 <piggz[m]> Probably cos i pinged him about it ;)
08:27:30 <rainemak> piggz[m], I saw that pattern as well
08:27:37 <piggz[m]> Ok, maybe a good todo item for when time allows
08:28:33 <piggz[m]> Second, thought id mention this shameless community effort, https://www.gofundme.com/f/sailfish-os-add-support-for-the-amazfit-gtr4-to-amazfish?attribution_id=sl:7d507dc0-13fa-4731-9bc9-368633e37760&lang=fr_FR&utm_campaign=man_sharesheet_dash&utm_medium=customer&utm_source=copy_link
08:29:15 <piggz[m]> You buy dev an unsupported watch, and it miraculously gains support
08:29:49 <rainemak> nb, forum discourse update should be ongoing
08:31:12 <rainemak> #link https://www.gofundme.com/f/sailfish-os-add-support-for-the-amazfit-gtr4-to-amazfish
08:31:26 <rainemak> piggz[m], that's nice :-)
08:32:28 <rainemak> anything else
08:32:53 <rainemak> one last thing, we're working to get AppSupport available for Xperia 10 IV and 10 V
08:33:12 <ExTechOp> Looking forward to that, as I've mentioned.
08:33:13 <rainemak> even without newer blobs
08:33:36 <rainemak> maybe even this afternoon :-)
08:34:24 <rainemak> let's schedule next meeting
08:34:27 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins)
08:34:35 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 27th March at 08:00am UTC
08:34:45 <rainemak> usual cycle
08:35:02 <ExTechOp> Works4Me
08:36:07 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 27th March 2025 at 08:00am UTC: 2025-03-27T0800Z
08:36:23 <ExTechOp> Thank you everyone!
08:36:27 <rainemak> Thanks all! See you at the forum.
08:36:38 <rainemak> #endmeeting