=============================================================================== #sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 24th April 2025 =============================================================================== Meeting started by rainemak at 07:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-04-24-07.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 07:00:16) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-24th-april-2025/22836 (rainemak, 07:00:16) * Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (rainemak, 07:00:16) * Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 07:00:31) * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla (rainemak, 07:00:38) * tuplasuhveli, community (tuplasuhveli[m], 07:00:40) * Pekka Vuorela, Jolla (pvuorela, 07:04:26) * Sailfish OS roadmap checkpoint (15 mins -- rainemak) (rainemak, 07:05:06) * As discussed 10th April on our community meeting let’s have a (rainemak, 07:05:19) * roadmap checkpoint / update. This might well be just a textual (rainemak, 07:05:20) * update. (rainemak, 07:05:20) * Textual update it is. Following bigger update items that we have on (rainemak, 07:06:13) * the roadmap. Good part of these will likely land to Sailfish OS 5.1. (rainemak, 07:06:13) * Items are not in priority order. (rainemak, 07:06:13) * glibc (rainemak, 07:06:13) * systemd (rainemak, 07:06:13) * lvm (rainemak, 07:06:15) * pulseaudio (rainemak, 07:06:16) * python (rainemak, 07:06:18) * rpm (rainemak, 07:06:20) * openssl (rainemak, 07:06:22) * gcc (rainemak, 07:06:26) * pherjung, community (pherjung[m], 07:06:27) * and tons of other updates. (rainemak, 07:06:28) * David Llewellyn-Jones, community + late (sorry!) (flypig-, 07:16:38) * New vendor blobs available from Sony (5 mins -- asked by cquence) (rainemak, 07:20:04) * any timeline of when can we get feedback for those blobs? (i.e. do (rainemak, 07:20:10) * they fix some/all of the existing 10IV/V problems). (rainemak, 07:20:10) * These new blobs require work on NFC, GPS, sensors and VoLTE at least. (rainemak, 07:20:23) * With these new blobs, we need to adapt NFC, GPS, sensors and VoLTE (rainemak, 07:20:23) * from HIDL to AIDL. So getting those working will require time and (rainemak, 07:20:23) * development efforts. Flypig wrote back in August 2021 a nice summary (rainemak, 07:20:23) * about libgbinder that opens up also HIDL and AIDL. (rainemak, 07:20:23) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-12th-august-libgbinder-4-2-0-l10n/7582#a-detailed-look-at-driver-access-through-libgbinder-2 (rainemak, 07:20:25) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-3rd-april-2025-harbour/22658 (rainemak, 07:23:49) * Make sfdk manual pages available online (5 mins -- asked by Managor) (rainemak, 07:25:42) * For ease of access reasons it would be good if all of the command (rainemak, 07:25:48) * line options were listed somewhere. (rainemak, 07:25:48) * We understand reasoning that you have here. This kind of feature (rainemak, 07:25:53) * requests shall be looked also from maintenance point of view. (rainemak, 07:25:54) * Currently you can find all commands with different --help commands. (rainemak, 07:25:54) * AppSupport without libhybris (15mins -- asked by affe_null) (rainemak, 07:30:28) * The AppSupport packages currently provided to Sailfish OS users (rainemak, 07:30:38) * (at least on the C2) rely on an Android HAL being present in / (rainemak, 07:30:38) * vendor. Android vendor HALs can be very messy, and the time spent (rainemak, 07:30:38) * on maintaining compability with them might be better spent on (rainemak, 07:30:38) * writing upstreamable kernel drivers for the devices. This is (rainemak, 07:30:38) * hopefully going to become easier with time as more support for (rainemak, 07:30:39) * major SoC families lands in upstream Linux. Would Jolla be able (rainemak, 07:30:41) * to provide AppSupport packages for ports that are not based on (rainemak, 07:30:43) * Android? How much work would that need? I am not asking about (rainemak, 07:30:45) * AppSupport for community ports, this is a question about the (rainemak, 07:30:47) * feasibility of an official port without libhybris. (rainemak, 07:30:49) * AppSupport itself does not depend on hal. For example, our collegues (rainemak, 07:30:51) * at Seafarix run AppSupport on Rpi5 with Ubuntu and Mesa drivers among (rainemak, 07:30:55) * other things. If there would be hw accelerated mesa for phone devices (rainemak, 07:30:57) * that could be also used in phone in future. However as we know, this (rainemak, 07:30:59) * is more easily said than done in mobile soc side. (rainemak, 07:31:01) * Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (rainemak, 07:44:34) * General discussion (8 mins) (rainemak, 07:49:04) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-24th-april-2025/22836/11 (rainemak, 07:54:44) * LINK: https://openagps.net/ (flypig-, 07:57:48) * LINK: https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-6739-openagps-open-source-gnss-assistance/ (flypig-, 07:57:51) * LINK: https://openagps.net/ (rainemak, 07:58:02) * Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (rainemak, 07:58:25) * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 8th May 2025 at 07:00am UTC: 2025-05-08T0700Z (rainemak, 07:59:49) Meeting ended at 08:05:44 UTC. 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