16:00:05 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025
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16:00:12 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
16:00:12 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-11th-september-2025/24644
16:00:12 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
16:00:12 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
16:00:18 <ExTechOp> Good evening/whatever everyone!
16:00:26 <rainemak> Good evening!
16:00:28 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla
16:00:31 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
16:00:45 <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla
16:00:51 <direc85[m]> Good evening!
16:02:23 <Keto> #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla
16:03:10 <rainemak> We have one topic today.
16:03:50 <pherjung[m]> #info pherjung, community
16:04:17 <attah> #info attah, community, late
16:04:24 <FireFly> #info FireFly, community, also late
16:04:35 <rainemak> not really... just in time
16:04:59 <Nico> #info Nico, community
16:05:11 <rainemak> let's get started
16:05:12 <rainemak> #topic Adding Volte configuration (5 mins -- crun)
16:05:22 <rainemak> #info <crun> At year end there will be no SF device that can make calls due to 3G shutdown.
16:05:22 <rainemak> #info <crun> There is no SF device with 4G Volte configured. Sony do not include
16:05:22 <rainemak> #info <crun> any config for markets they do not retail into. (Appalling for a
16:05:22 <rainemak> #info <crun> “global” brand really)
16:05:24 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:26 <rainemak> #info <crun> I am fairly sure that the required config info can be obtained from
16:05:28 <rainemak> #info <crun> the carriers.
16:05:30 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:32 <rainemak> #info <crun> What is the process for adding a carrier config?
16:05:34 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:36 <rainemak> #info <crun> Does it require a Qualcomm encryption key and qualcomm sdk?
16:05:38 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:40 <rainemak> #info <crun> Does is require Sony’s key? Can only Sony do it?
16:05:42 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:44 <rainemak> #info <crun> Can Jolla do it?
16:05:46 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:48 <rainemak> #info <crun> Can users do it?
16:05:50 <rainemak> #info <crun> (My phone is X10III)
16:05:54 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:05:56 <rainemak> #info <crun> Will/are Jolla’s own phones be similarly unable to work outside
16:05:58 <rainemak> #info <crun> europe?
16:06:00 <rainemak> #info <crun>
16:06:02 <rainemak> #info <crun> Can they roam globally?
16:06:25 <rainemak> Yeah, 3G networks are shutting down globally. Hard to say, would carrier provide configurations.
16:06:36 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-on-the-xperia-10-ii-filling-in-the-gaps/12322
16:06:47 <rainemak> A link from the past.
16:07:01 <attah> Is that link applicable at all for the III?
16:07:22 <Nico> I don't think so
16:07:27 <Nico> Only the II used those manual configs, iirc
16:07:47 <attah> And for the III does anything at all similar exist?
16:07:59 <attah> (that is what i understood to be the core of the question)
16:08:35 <legacychimera247> hello, 247, long time sf user
16:08:44 <rainemak> Similar hacking can be done for IV afair
16:09:04 <Nico> I thought the 10III didn't need that
16:09:26 <rainemak> When it comes to Sony, it's more complex. Qualcomm even more so.
16:10:28 <rainemak> Surely having more mobile bands and broader support is a good target for us.
16:11:32 <ExTechOp> I think the most important question by crun is, will there be working Sailfish devices in that region once 3G shuts down?
16:11:39 <rainemak> Jolla C2 has following LTE frequency bands supported by the modem
16:11:44 <rainemak> LTE Band 1 (1900 & 2100 MHz)
16:11:44 <rainemak> LTE Band 3 (1700 & 1800 MHz)
16:11:44 <rainemak> LTE Band 7 (2500 & 2600 MHz)
16:11:44 <rainemak> LTE Band 20 (800 MHz)
16:11:51 <ExTechOp> And the software?
16:12:35 <attah> Right... but i think the 10 II he had was kind of OK band-wise; it was just VoLTE config that was lacking
16:12:40 <attah> *III
16:13:01 <rainemak> attah, correct
16:13:22 <pherjung[m]> How does it look for other distributions (postmarketOS or Ubuntu touch)? Wouldn't be possible to collabare to get more configs?
16:13:46 <rainemak> ExTechOp, that's surely a target
16:13:58 <attah> They only have VoLTE on modems that have it more integrated presumably
16:14:21 <attah> SFOS manages to squeeze out VoLTE from a few more than the rest of the bunch does
16:14:35 <ExTechOp> rainemak So, no, at this point?
16:15:40 <rainemak> pherjung[m], there are more and more things buried deep in side modem. My feeling is that this requires collab with ODM.
16:15:45 <mal> afaik the qmi ims is supported for mainline, at least I remember something like that from my mainline hobby projects
16:17:05 <rainemak> I'm not sure do we have much more to provide at this stage.
16:17:15 <rainemak> Let's move on
16:17:17 <mal> but it seems the project is using modemmanager not ofono
16:17:26 <rainemak> #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
16:18:25 <nephros> #info nephros, community, very late to the party!
16:20:12 <rainemak> I don't have any
16:20:25 <attah> Haven't seen any either
16:21:34 <rainemak> Alright, let's move to General discussion
16:21:38 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (10 mins)
16:22:28 <attah> Any news on VoLTE for IV/V?
16:22:33 <Nico> You really missed out on giving people fancy badges for their subscriptions! So much range for competition! Twitter made money with a checkmark after all!
16:23:10 <ExTechOp> attah +1
16:23:31 <nephros> Someone on the Forums asked whether subscriptions would be tied to Jolla accounts in some way. Are there any plans for something like that?
16:23:48 <CLMA31[m]> Very late to party.... amazing that Jolla added the voluntary donations! The topic that was raised in the forum was question regarding if there could be larger sums also included? Or possibility to add "other sum" field etc?
16:23:49 <Nico> Also my cell broadcast didn't work today, let's see, if it works next year after that dbus magic (if I don't break my phone again)
16:24:05 <rainemak> nephros, not at the moment
16:25:00 <rainemak> CLMA31[m], there's quantity as well. So, you can do 9.90€ x 10 if you like.
16:25:55 <CLMA31[m]> Ah, I didn't think about that! Amazing, no further question
16:26:42 <Nico> Same, too smart for me :D
16:27:04 <attah> Nothing on XIDL conversion progress in general?
16:27:35 <rainemak> mal, do you have anything for attah ?
16:28:08 <mal> well gps and sensor changes have PRs, nfc was already merged, volte is wip
16:28:36 <attah> "work" and "progress" are good words :)
16:28:44 <CLMA31[m]> Are there any possible proximitle updates regarding 5.1 update? Or regarding the ESR102? No need for date, more like do they seem likely this year?
16:31:53 <nephros> Nico: what dbus magic is related to CB Messages?
16:31:55 <rainemak> CLMA31[m], nothing really to update in that front. That said, we do have quite a bit of package updates in 5.1. already.
16:32:15 <mal> esr102 still doesn't render webpages, the webrender pipeline is quite different from the old one so debugging is difficult
16:33:17 <Nico> nephros: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-disable-cell-broadcast-messages/12470/12
16:33:56 <mal> somehow the frames don't end up being processed correctly in the code that should be drawing those to screen and once enough have failed it stops the rendering thread
16:34:15 <attah> Can derps like me build ESR102 already, or di i need to wait for 5.1 sdk?
16:34:28 <CLMA31[m]> Thanks for update!
16:35:18 <mal> it's possible to build but needs 2 or 3 dependencies to be updated first locally, at least rust-cbindgen and icu
16:35:29 <mal> I think it might even build with older icu
16:35:43 <attah> Sounds almost manageable :)
16:35:43 <mal> I had some workaround patch there for that
16:36:04 <attah> For the "C3" thread - is the term eMMC being used loosely, or did you accidentally almost leak the platform?
16:36:11 <mal> I haven't pushed very latest code to github, I'll need to check that
16:36:19 <attah> :)
16:36:50 <rainemak> attah, internal storage is eMMC nothing more in that
16:37:19 <rainemak> business as usual
16:38:07 <rainemak> It looks that general discussion has been covered as well
16:38:09 <rainemak> moving on
16:38:10 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins)
16:38:16 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 25th September at 04:00 PM UTC
16:40:34 <ExTechOp> works4me
16:40:58 <Nico> I might not make it, since I am travelling at the time but don't mind me :3
16:41:22 <rainemak> no worry Nico, logs available as usual
16:41:28 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 25th September 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-25T1600Z
16:41:46 <rainemak> let's cover that one late question in the next meeting.
16:41:51 <rainemak> thank you all!
16:41:59 <attah> thank you :)
16:41:59 <Nico> See ya!
16:42:02 <ExTechOp> Thank you, everyone!
16:42:07 <rainemak> #endmeeting