=================================================================================== #sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 25th September 2025 =================================================================================== Meeting started by rainemak at 16:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-09-25-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 16:00:04) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-25th-september-2025/24781 (rainemak, 16:00:04) * Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (rainemak, 16:00:04) * Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 16:00:32) * Matti Viljanen, Jolla (direc85[m], 16:01:00) * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla (rainemak, 16:01:15) * FireFly - Community (FireFly, 16:02:12) * The future for Xperia 10 series devices beyond the IV and V (5 mins -- PeegeeTips) (rainemak, 16:05:00) * Is the J3 a new direction for Jolla; moving to selling (rainemak, 16:05:12) * factory-flashed and bootloader locked devices? (rainemak, 16:05:12) * It has been suggested by Xiaomi that they’re ending their (rainemak, 16:05:12) * bootloader unlocking function to maintain compliance with EU (rainemak, 16:05:12) * regs in the digital safety act. Does Jolla consider this a (rainemak, 16:05:12) * threat to their existing business model, such that they are (rainemak, 16:05:14) * moving away from selling device licences to pre-flashed (rainemak, 16:05:17) * devices? I ask as Sony continues to release new versions of the (rainemak, 16:05:19) * 10 series, and they remain well built and and affordable (rainemak, 16:05:21) * mid-range handsets: (rainemak, 16:05:23) * LINK: https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_10_vii-review-2879.php (rainemak, 16:05:25) * Good question but difficult to give you a good answer. We have not (rainemak, 16:05:27) * said that we are moving away from downloadable & flashable (rainemak, 16:05:29) * Sailfish OS images. At this point, we do not have an update (rainemak, 16:05:31) * regarding the next downloadable & flashable Sailfish OS image. (rainemak, 16:05:33) * Speed up a Device (5mins -- Cryx) (rainemak, 16:12:16) * Plausible substitute Seven.of.nine (rainemak, 16:12:16) * There is that thread in the forum for some time now, and I wonder if (rainemak, 16:12:26) * anyone from Jolla ever looked a this. I also feel the handling of (rainemak, 16:12:26) * SFOS is sometimes slow and would like to see some things happening (rainemak, 16:12:26) * faster. And as these things seem to be tied into the system and force (rainemak, 16:12:26) * a device to (re-) act slow I ask myself why… (rainemak, 16:12:26) * (rainemak, 16:12:28) * I will sadly be on work travel that day so I don’t know if could make (rainemak, 16:12:29) * it into the meeting (nevertheless I will try) , but I missed to point (rainemak, 16:12:31) * to this topic already three or four times. On the other hand (rainemak, 16:12:33) * everything relevant is already said in the linked thread, so the main (rainemak, 16:12:35) * questions are: (rainemak, 16:12:37) * (rainemak, 16:12:39) * - Is Jolla aware of this topic? (rainemak, 16:12:41) * - Is there anything that stands against bringing such speed up tweaks (rainemak, 16:12:43) * into the system with a SFOS update for all users? (rainemak, 16:12:47) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/speed-up-a-device-by-system-tweaks-in-the-qml-files/19769 (rainemak, 16:12:49) * Yes, we aware of this topic and we understand reasoning that you have. (rainemak, 16:14:02) * Practical thing that stands in between of implementing this is (rainemak, 16:14:32) * resourcing and time. When done properly, we'd review (evaluate) and (rainemak, 16:14:32) * verify each change on each officially supported devices. Usually (rainemak, 16:14:32) * during review there would be discussion whether this or that look (rainemak, 16:14:32) * better. Then we'd repeat after plausible adjustments. The whole (rainemak, 16:14:32) * process takes much more time than sed'ing changes to the device. (rainemak, 16:14:34) * Implementing this so that we'd have device spefic variants is no go. (rainemak, 16:14:35) * Cell Broadcast alerts (5 mins -- asked by CLMA31) (rainemak, 16:20:43) * There has been multiple reports that cell broadcast alerts aren’t (rainemak, 16:20:43) * working: Cell Broadcast alerts (Germany) - #165 by davidrasch. Is (rainemak, 16:20:43) * this known problem and if so is there any idea how to mitigate this (rainemak, 16:20:43) * problem? (rainemak, 16:20:43) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/cell-broadcast-alerts-germany/13528/165 (rainemak, 16:20:44) * LINK: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/community.ics (abr, 16:24:47) * Android apps mobile data connection problems (10 mins -- asked by CLMA31) (rainemak, 16:25:52) * It seems that there has been a lot of discussion in history related (rainemak, 16:25:52) * to the data connection problems inside the AAS. Has Jolla been able (rainemak, 16:25:52) * to identify main reason for the problem and is there what kind of (rainemak, 16:25:52) * development plan related to that? Will 5.1 update bring (rainemak, 16:25:52) * improvements to the situation? If I have understood correctly (rainemak, 16:25:54) * sometimes the problems occur if you switch between WLAN and mobile (rainemak, 16:25:55) * data and sometime the problem occurs randomly. As many people (rainemak, 16:25:57) * still rely to some Android apps and new comers even more, reliable (rainemak, 16:25:59) * internet connection is quite crucial. Here are some topics from (rainemak, 16:26:01) * the forum I found: (rainemak, 16:26:03) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/4-6-0-13-xperia-10-iii-android-apps-mobile-data-connectivity-worse-then-ever/19311/34 (rainemak, 16:26:05) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/no-mobile-internet-with-android-apps-on-c2/20586/75 (rainemak, 16:26:08) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/release-notes-tampella-5-0-0-68/23427/22 (rainemak, 16:26:10) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/release-notes-tampella-5-0-0-70-jolla-c2-only/24477/19 (rainemak, 16:26:12) * Thank you for bring this up. Tracked already on several fronts. (rainemak, 16:26:24) * There seems to be something operator specific involved but we have (rainemak, 16:26:24) * not yet figured what triggers / causes it. (rainemak, 16:26:24) * That said, we have a different kind of implementation approach in (rainemak, 16:26:24) * internal testing which is similar to the approch that we had years (rainemak, 16:26:26) * ago (maybe it was around XA2, Xperia 10, Xperia 10 II). A lot of (rainemak, 16:26:28) * things have changed since. (rainemak, 16:26:30) * Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (2 mins -- asked by Jolla) (rainemak, 16:40:37) * @hildon has asked clarification on GPS development on C2. My guess (rainemak, 16:45:22) * is that this is regarding A-GPS implementation which has been (rainemak, 16:45:22) * talked by @Rainemak in Open source discussion. I guess the main (rainemak, 16:45:22) * interest is to ask if the A-GPS will be implemented already in (rainemak, 16:45:22) * next release? (rainemak, 16:45:24) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-18th-september-2025-issue-reporting/24830/11 (rainemak, 16:45:40) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/24689/39 (rainemak, 16:45:40) * If you do not mind, I'll extend the meeting by 10mins (rainemak, 16:46:58) * Timeline of GPS development (5mins -- asked by CLMA31) (rainemak, 16:51:20) * @hildon has asked clarification on GPS development on C2. My guess (rainemak, 16:51:20) * is that this is regarding A-GPS implementation which has been (rainemak, 16:51:20) * talked by @Rainemak in Open source discussion. I guess the main (rainemak, 16:51:20) * interest is to ask if the A-GPS will be implemented already in (rainemak, 16:51:20) * next release? (rainemak, 16:51:22) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-18th-september-2025-issue-reporting/24830/11 (rainemak, 16:51:25) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/24689/39 (rainemak, 16:51:28) * If you do not mind, I'll extend the meeting by 10mins (rainemak, 16:51:50) * General discussion (10 mins) (rainemak, 17:00:53) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/android-software-unexpected-backgrounding/23149/1 (ExTechOp, 17:03:39) * Next meeting time and date (1 mins) (rainemak, 17:15:27) * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 9th October 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-10-09T1600Z (rainemak, 17:15:55) Meeting ended at 17:22:47 UTC. 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