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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th October 2025
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Meeting started by rainemak at 16:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-09-16.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  16:00:00)
* LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/24948   (rainemak, 16:00:00)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 16:00:00)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla  (rainemak, 16:00:08)
  * Otto Makela, community  (ExTechOp, 16:00:09)
  * mal, Jolla  (mal, 16:00:13)
  * Ruben -rubdos- De Smet, community  (rubdos[m], 16:00:24)
  * Ville Nummela, community  (ViGe, 16:00:24)
  * CLMA31, community  (CLMA31[m], 16:00:32)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones, community  (flypig, 16:00:48)
  * Matti Viljanen, Jolla  (direc85[m], 16:01:01)
  * Nico, community  (Nico, 16:01:01)
  * 247, community member  (legacychimera247, 16:01:24)
  * Pami Ketolainen, Jolla  (Keto, 16:02:14)
  * Thorsten M., community  (mini_coe[m], 16:02:58)

* Amount of supported devices (10 mins -- CLMA31)  (rainemak, 16:05:14)
  * <CLMA31> I am too new here to have historical package and understand
    that  (rainemak, 16:05:14)
  * <CLMA31> this topic might be unpopular. But anyway is this list up
    to  (rainemak, 16:05:14)
  * <CLMA31> date: Supported Devices | Sailfish OS Documentation? If so
    has it  (rainemak, 16:05:14)
  * <CLMA31> been considered that most of the devices could be moved to
    (rainemak, 16:05:14)
  * <CLMA31> “Ceased support” category? I don’t know if in reality
    keeping so  (rainemak, 16:05:15)
  * <CLMA31> many models supported causes any extra work for upkeep. But
    I  (rainemak, 16:05:17)
  * <CLMA31> would guess it does, which is why I ask. Wouldn’t it make
    more  (rainemak, 16:05:19)
  * <CLMA31> sense to focus only few models at the time and really fine
    tune  (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <CLMA31> the user experience? Maybe it would make development like
    the  (rainemak, 16:05:23)
  * <CLMA31> Perceived responsiveness of the UI easier and faster?
    (rainemak, 16:05:25)
  * LINK: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/
    (rainemak, 16:05:29)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/perceived-responsiveness-of-the-ui/2499/82
    (rainemak, 16:05:29)
  * <Jolla> This we already somewhat answered in some other context. We
    said  (rainemak, 16:06:30)
  * <Jolla> that we're not dropping older officially supported Sailfish
    OS  (rainemak, 16:06:30)
  * <Jolla> devices. Quite commonly it's the kernel that dictates the
    timing  (rainemak, 16:06:31)
  * <Jolla> of dropping older devices. We actually have a matrix of
    things to  (rainemak, 16:06:31)
  * <Jolla> support being it number of devices, kernel version and
    AppSupport  (rainemak, 16:06:31)
  * <Jolla> which is making it more difficult.  (rainemak, 16:06:33)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:06:35)
  * <Jolla> We have quite a wide community user base using in Xperia
    line  (rainemak, 16:06:37)
  * <Jolla> devices which is super good. You are reporting issues and
    using  (rainemak, 16:06:39)
  * <Jolla> them. That's also part of way of doing things -- we want to
    (rainemak, 16:06:41)
  * <Jolla> support devices as long as it is feasible.  (rainemak,
    16:06:43)

* Open Sourcing: Expectations (10mins -- nephros)  (rainemak, 16:15:03)
  * <nephros> It’s great that the Open-Sourcing process has finally
    landed,  (rainemak, 16:15:03)
  * <nephros> and we have seen repos (currently: Weather and Notes, with
    (rainemak, 16:15:03)
  * <nephros> Camera recently added) appear on Github.  (rainemak,
    16:15:04)
  * <nephros> In communications prior to the relicensing and publishing,
    it  (rainemak, 16:15:06)
  * <nephros> has been said that depending on what happens with these
    “Test  (rainemak, 16:15:08)
  * <nephros> Balloon” applications, more could follow.  (rainemak,
    16:15:10)
  * <nephros> What are the factors that are monitored at Jolla regarding
    this,  (rainemak, 16:15:12)
  * <nephros> or what is the expectation of what kinds of community
    (rainemak, 16:15:14)
  * <nephros> contributions will happen?  (rainemak, 16:15:16)
  * <nephros> In other words, what would be something that would
    indicate to  (rainemak, 16:15:18)
  * <nephros> the ones in deciding positions that “Hey, Open-Sourcing
    has been  (rainemak, 16:15:20)
  * <nephros> a great success for us, let’s do more of that!”.
    (rainemak, 16:15:22)
  * <Jolla> A very good question as well. As you may think, it's about
    the  (rainemak, 16:15:24)
  * <Jolla> traction being contributions, bug reports, feature
    proposals,  (rainemak, 16:15:26)
  * <Jolla> percieved welcoming, etc. At the same time, we want to be
    (rainemak, 16:15:28)
  * <Jolla> transparent on these. You can go and check what these open
    sourced  (rainemak, 16:15:30)
  * <Jolla> apps do. What's the actual factor probably will be something
    that  (rainemak, 16:15:34)
  * <Jolla> has likely a bit of objective and subjective aspects as all
    cannot  (rainemak, 16:15:36)
  * <Jolla> be easily measured.  (rainemak, 16:15:38)

* Unable to set lock pin for Android apps requiring it (mins -- CLMA31)
  (rainemak, 16:30:55)
  * <CLMA31> There has been multiple persons reporting that they are
    unable to  (rainemak, 16:30:55)
  * <CLMA31> set lock pin for Android apps that require it. Usually the
    apps  (rainemak, 16:30:55)
  * <CLMA31> requiring the pin are quite crucial for peoples daily
    usage. Has  (rainemak, 16:30:55)
  * <CLMA31> this been investigated by Jolla and is this at some roadmap
    on  (rainemak, 16:30:55)
  * <CLMA31> planned fixes? Here is couple links of the subjects: Unable
    to  (rainemak, 16:30:57)
  * <CLMA31> set lock pin for Android apps requiring it & Android app
    (rainemak, 16:30:58)
  * <CLMA31> requiring lock pin  (rainemak, 16:31:00)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/unable-to-set-lock-pin-for-android-apps-requiring-it/15806
    (rainemak, 16:31:11)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/android-app-requiring-lock-pin/8204
    (rainemak, 16:31:11)
  * <Jolla> This is well an understood topic but again not so easy to
    tackle -- so has been investigated.  (rainemak, 16:31:11)

* Any new information about next gen Jolla phone (5mins -- CLMA31)
  (rainemak, 16:35:21)
  * <CLMA31> Many of us are probably almost holding our breath if we
    could get  (rainemak, 16:35:21)
  * <CLMA31> some updates on next gen Jolla phone. Most interesting
    topic on  (rainemak, 16:35:21)
  * <CLMA31> this is, will there be next gen Jolla phone? There seem to
    be  (rainemak, 16:35:21)
  * <CLMA31> more and more interest for alternative solutions and as
    Sailfish  (rainemak, 16:35:21)
  * <CLMA31> offers just that, but many which or need better HW phone.
    Is  (rainemak, 16:35:23)
  * <CLMA31> there any updates regarding this?  (rainemak, 16:35:24)
  * <Jolla> Unfortunaly, we cannot reveal/expose this yet.  (rainemak,
    16:35:54)
  * <Jolla> Please, do understand.  (rainemak, 16:35:54)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/23882
    (rainemak, 16:37:42)

* Roadmap (10mins -- Cryx)  (rainemak, 16:41:09)
  * <Cryx> Having a general Roadmap again (and regular posts on the
    official  (rainemak, 16:41:09)
  * <Cryx> Jolla blog) would be an addition to this topic - right know
    we all  (rainemak, 16:41:09)
  * <Cryx> can just guess s into the blue to where the journey might go
    on  (rainemak, 16:41:10)
  * <Cryx> both software and hardware side.  (rainemak, 16:41:10)
  * <Jolla> A very good raise by Cryx. Thank you.  (rainemak, 16:41:37)
  * <Jolla> First thing is that we need to educate what is roadmap.
    Quite  (rainemak, 16:41:37)
  * <Jolla> commonly what happens is that one carves the published
    roadmap  (rainemak, 16:41:37)
  * <Jolla> into a stone. In reality, roadmap is a planning tool that
    changes  (rainemak, 16:41:37)
  * <Jolla> over time. That's also reason why rainemak has not opened
    too long  (rainemak, 16:41:37)
  * <Jolla> lasting roadmaps. It just cannot be a "snapshot" from a
    moment. #info <Jolla> We need to have a proper public tool that we
    can use as a  (rainemak, 16:41:39)
  * <Jolla> discussion platform. Surely, blog is not good for that.
    (rainemak, 16:41:41)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:41:43)
  * <Jolla> Still writing to Jolla Blog is good. We're open to take
    (rainemak, 16:41:45)
  * <Jolla> contributions to there as well. Simple fact is that writing
    a  (rainemak, 16:41:47)
  * <Jolla> superior blog compared to writing to announchement to
    Sailfish  (rainemak, 16:41:49)
  * <Jolla> Forum takes much more time. Theoretically, we could
    communicate as  (rainemak, 16:41:51)
  * <Jolla> much as you'd like but that's always away from something
    else.  (rainemak, 16:41:53)

* Xperia 10V (5mins -- koza)  (rainemak, 16:50:52)
  * <koza> Get some official statement when or if ever we will get
    camera and  (rainemak, 16:50:52)
  * <koza> rest of main phone features what does not work now ( mainly:
    (rainemak, 16:50:52)
  * <koza> camera, jack audio, fingerprint). Just lot of people
    purchased  (rainemak, 16:50:53)
  * <koza> these Xperias because Jolla promised that until xmass 2024…
    so  (rainemak, 16:50:54)
  * <koza> would be nice to get real status to decide if selling device
    is  (rainemak, 16:50:56)
  * <koza> better solution for all who wasted money caused by Jolla
    (rainemak, 16:50:58)
  * <koza> promises … thanks  (rainemak, 16:51:00)
  * <Jolla> We'll get back to this with the dedicated topic that we
    promised  (rainemak, 16:51:08)
  * <Jolla> earlier. We know that we get camera working, battery
    indicator  (rainemak, 16:51:10)
  * <Jolla> working, maybe some others as well. Fingerprint is a hard
    nut to  (rainemak, 16:51:12)
  * <Jolla> crack -- frankly it's very likely something that won't
    happen.  (rainemak, 16:51:14)
  * Filip, community  (filip, 17:02:50)

* Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
  (rainemak, 17:03:52)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera/pull/2   (rainemak,
    17:04:49)

* General discussion (whatever left -- meeting end target 30mins past)
  (rainemak, 17:12:52)

* Next meeting time and date (1 mins)  (rainemak, 17:31:17)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 23rd October 2025 at 04:00pm
    UTC: 2025-10-23T1600Z  (rainemak, 17:35:55)

Meeting ended at 17:37:04 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* rainemak (243)
* rubdos[m] (28)
* CLMA31[m] (21)
* abr (21)
* ExTechOp (18)
* flypig (15)
* mal (13)
* Nico (10)
* Keto (10)
* direc85[m] (8)
* mini_coe[m] (7)
* ViGe (6)
* TheKit (6)
* piggz[m] (5)
* Cryx[m] (3)
* filip (3)
* sailbot (2)
* legacychimera247 (1)




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