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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025
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Meeting started by rainemak at 16:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-23-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  16:00:05)
* LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25096   (rainemak, 16:00:05)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 16:00:05)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 16:00:09)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla  (rainemak, 16:00:17)
  * Matti Viljanen, Jolla  (direc85[m], 16:00:39)
  * roundedrectangle, community  (roundedrectangl, 16:00:56)
  * Pami Ketolainen, Jolla  (Keto, 16:01:54)
  * Fellfrosch. community  (Fellfrosch, 16:02:20)
  * piggz community  (piggz[m], 16:02:49)
  * mal, Jolla  (mal, 16:02:59)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-16th-october-2025-a-new-writer/25006
    (rainemak, 16:04:30)

* WPA3 status update (5 mins -- KeeperoftheKeys)  (rainemak, 16:05:09)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> I recently installed some simple Open Source IoT
    (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> switches and was very surprised to find them
    supporting  (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3, this makes my Jolla phone the only thing
    (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> preventing me from switching our home network to
    WPA3. I  (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> recall that there has been some work on this in
    the past  (rainemak, 16:05:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> where do things stand? Based on a little of my own
    (rainemak, 16:05:23)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> testing (see below) it seems like it should be “in
    (rainemak, 16:05:24)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> reach/spitting distance”.  (rainemak, 16:05:26)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>  (rainemak, 16:05:28)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3 is mostly a software issue, I have seen it
    working  (rainemak, 16:05:30)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> on Linux laptops that were built years before
    anyone  (rainemak, 16:05:32)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> even thought about WPA3, as far as I recall
    connman  (rainemak, 16:05:34)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> / wpasupplicant would need to be updated for this.
    (rainemak, 16:05:38)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>  (rainemak, 16:05:40)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> Software versions:  (rainemak, 16:05:42)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>  (rainemak, 16:05:44)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> * Connman 1.41 shipped initial WPA3-SAE support
    based on phoronix, the current version on my phone [SFOS 5 (10ii)]
    is 1.38  (rainemak, 16:05:46)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> * Per a wpa_supplicant changelog it added WPA3 in
    2.10  (rainemak, 16:05:49)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   and on my phone I find 2.11 and I was able to
    manually  (rainemak, 16:05:51)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   connect using it (wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c
    (rainemak, 16:05:53)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   local.conf) this did not set the correct IP
    address  (rainemak, 16:05:55)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   from my router, I need to check with another
    device if  (rainemak, 16:05:57)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   this is a config issue of the testing SSID or an
    issue  (rainemak, 16:05:59)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   with the phone but after manually setting the
    correct  (rainemak, 16:06:01)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   IP address (ip addr add…) I was able to “prove”
    that I  (rainemak, 16:06:03)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   indeed connected successfully to the WPA3 SSID.
    (rainemak, 16:06:05)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   To do all of this I also had to do some
    gymnastics  (rainemak, 16:06:09)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   with enabling/disabling wireless in the GUI to
    allow  (rainemak, 16:06:11)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys>   wpa_supplicant to grab control of wlan0 from
    connman.  (rainemak, 16:06:13)
  * LINK: https://www.phoronix.com/news/ConnMan-1.41-IWD-1.23
    (rainemak, 16:06:15)
  * LINK:
    https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8/+/refs/heads/main/wpa_supplicant/ChangeLog
    (rainemak, 16:06:17)
  * <Jolla> The support for WPA3 in newer connman version would not
    directly  (rainemak, 16:06:20)
  * <Jolla> enable WPA3 support in Sailfish OS because we have a custom
    wifi  (rainemak, 16:06:22)
  * <Jolla> plugin which needs adapting to support WPA3. Also higher
    level  (rainemak, 16:06:24)
  * <Jolla> code using connman needs to be adapted to support WPA3 type.
    There  (rainemak, 16:06:26)
  * <Jolla> is work in progress code for those but it does not work
    reliably  (rainemak, 16:06:28)
  * <Jolla> on all devices yet and was missing some parts about
    correctly  (rainemak, 16:06:30)
  * <Jolla> reporting type to higher level.  (rainemak, 16:06:32)
  * pherjung, Community  (pherjung[m], 16:07:58)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones, community; and of course late.  (flypig,
    16:08:03)
  * Raymaen, Community  (Raymaen[m], 16:08:54)
  * LINK:
    https://github.com/sailfishos/connman/blob/master/connman/plugins/sailfish_wifi.c
    (rainemak, 16:12:11)
  * Link to Sailfish OS wifi plugin  (rainemak, 16:12:51)
  * nephros, community, later-comer  (nephros, 16:14:28)

* Allow apps to use nextcloud client or add ability to configure folder
  sync (10mins -- KeeperoftheKeys)  (rainemak, 16:15:14)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> As documented in this topic Sailsync OwnCloud does
    not  (rainemak, 16:15:14)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> work out of the box with recent versions of
    nextcloud  (rainemak, 16:15:14)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> and due to Qt limitations this is only going to
    get  (rainemak, 16:15:14)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> worse, @nephros has built a newer drop in binary
    with Qt  (rainemak, 16:15:15)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> 5.15 but that is also a solution that will only
    hold so  (rainemak, 16:15:17)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> long and while those who run NC instances where
    they  (rainemak, 16:15:19)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> have full control can lower the  (rainemak,
    16:15:21)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> minimum.supported.desktop.version they are taking
    a risk  (rainemak, 16:15:23)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> as per the NC devs.  (rainemak, 16:15:25)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> IMHO Sailsync OwnCloud provides a functionality
    that  (rainemak, 16:15:27)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> should just be part of the NC account settings, if
    that  (rainemak, 16:15:29)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> is not a possibility then it would be nice if it
    could  (rainemak, 16:15:31)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> leverage the builtin client (and credentials)
    instead of  (rainemak, 16:15:33)
  * <KeeperoftheKeys> needing to ship its own.  (rainemak, 16:15:35)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/22969   (rainemak, 16:15:39)
  * <Jolla> NextCloud account (and related components) could be our next
    (rainemak, 16:15:41)
  * <Jolla> component to open source which would also enable
    contributions  (rainemak, 16:15:43)
  * <Jolla> from the Sailsync OwnCloud towards platform NextCloud. We
    shall  (rainemak, 16:15:45)
  * <Jolla> take this into account as we plan this. In many cases app
    (rainemak, 16:15:47)
  * <Jolla> functionalities easily provide more value when / if they are
    (rainemak, 16:15:49)
  * <Jolla> implemented as an operating system feature.  (rainemak,
    16:15:51)
  * poetaster is late  (poetaster, 16:17:05)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav/
    (abr, 16:30:32)

* Support more codecs in QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin (5 mins --
  roundedrectangl)  (rainemak, 16:32:11)
  * <roundedrectangl> Information about supported audio capture codecs
    in  (rainemak, 16:32:22)
  * <roundedrectangl> QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin seems to be
    hardcoded in  (rainemak, 16:32:22)
  * <roundedrectangl> Qt 5.6 here:
    qtmultimedia/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp
    (rainemak, 16:32:22)
  * <roundedrectangl> at mer-5.6 · sailfishos/qtmultimedia · GitHub. I
    know  (rainemak, 16:32:22)
  * <roundedrectangl> that there are no plans for changing the core
    behaviour  (rainemak, 16:32:22)
  * <roundedrectangl> of this in the near future, because that would
    require a  (rainemak, 16:32:24)
  * <roundedrectangl> Qt update. But are there any plans for, at least,
    adding  (rainemak, 16:32:26)
  * <roundedrectangl> more codecs (such as Opus) to that hard-coded
    list? And  (rainemak, 16:32:28)
  * <roundedrectangl> would a pull request adding this get accepted?
    (rainemak, 16:32:30)
  * <roundedrectangl> Related: How to record opus audio programatically?
    (rainemak, 16:32:32)
  * LINK:
    https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmultimedia/blob/mer-5.6/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp
    (rainemak, 16:32:34)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/how-to-record-opus-audio-programatically/25139
    (rainemak, 16:32:39)
  * <Jolla> It might be possible to enable some additional codecs but it
    needs  (rainemak, 16:32:41)
  * <Jolla> to be tested that those actually work. Pull requests are
    always  (rainemak, 16:32:43)
  * <Jolla> welcome and we’ll review and test them.  (rainemak,
    16:32:45)

* Linux on Mobile stand at FOSDEM in 2026 (10mins -- flypig)  (rainemak,
  16:45:15)
  * <flypig> FOSDEM (https://fosdem.org) will take place again in
    Brussels on  (rainemak, 16:45:15)
  * <flypig> the weekend of 31 January 2026. In previous years we’ve had
    a  (rainemak, 16:45:15)
  * <flypig> very successful Linux on Mobile stand with Jolla being a
    big and  (rainemak, 16:45:15)
  * <flypig> important presence. The submission deadline for 2026 is
    (rainemak, 16:45:15)
  * <flypig> approaching and I’m planning to request a Linux on Mobile
    stand  (rainemak, 16:45:17)
  * <flypig> again. As in previous years, it’d be fantastic to have
    Jolla on  (rainemak, 16:45:18)
  * <flypig> the stand. Would you consider joining the effort once
    again?  (rainemak, 16:45:20)
  * <Jolla> Excellent flypig that you’re again orchestrating this once
    again.  (rainemak, 16:45:41)
  * <Jolla> Very much appreciated. Indeed, the Linux on Mobile stand has
    been  (rainemak, 16:45:41)
  * <Jolla> successful in previous years.  (rainemak, 16:45:41)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:45:41)
  * <Jolla> Yes, we are joining. Who are joining is not yet confirmed
    but most  (rainemak, 16:45:41)
  * <Jolla> likely at least Sami and Raine.  (rainemak, 16:45:43)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:45:44)
  * <Jolla> Flypig, do you need anything from us?  (rainemak, 16:45:46)
  * LINK: https://fsfe.org/activities/android/   (flypig, 16:56:46)

* SFOS / Jolla pot. changes regarding the already inforced EU Cyber
  Resilience Act (5mins -- tmindrup)  (rainemak, 16:59:33)
  * <tmindrup> The EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA)
    L_202402847EN.000101.fmx.xml  (rainemak, 16:59:33)
  * <tmindrup> imposes mandatory cybersecurity requirements on all
    products  (rainemak, 16:59:33)
  * <tmindrup> with digital elements sold in the EU, with consequences
    (rainemak, 16:59:33)
  * <tmindrup> including significant fines, market access restrictions,
    and  (rainemak, 16:59:33)
  * <tmindrup> the loss of the CE marking for non-compliant products.
    (rainemak, 16:59:35)
  * <tmindrup> Manufacturers, importers, and distributors face
    obligations to  (rainemak, 16:59:39)
  * <tmindrup> integrate security into product lifecycles, and some
    critical  (rainemak, 16:59:41)
  * <tmindrup> products must undergo third-party assessments. The
    regulation’s  (rainemak, 16:59:43)
  * <tmindrup> aim is to increase product security, but it creates
    challenges  (rainemak, 16:59:45)
  * <tmindrup> for businesses, especially smaller ones, in terms of
    compliance  (rainemak, 16:59:47)
  * <tmindrup> costs, testing, and the need for continuous security
    updates.  (rainemak, 16:59:49)
  * LINK:
    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:L_202402847
    (rainemak, 16:59:51)
  * <Jolla> Let’s take this more like a discussion topic.  (rainemak,
    16:59:53)

* Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
  (rainemak, 17:05:46)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/83   (flypig,
    17:06:57)
  * LINK: https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/83   (rainemak,
    17:07:49)

* General discussion (10 mins or something)  (rainemak, 17:12:11)
  * LINK: https://fosstodon.org/@piggz/115383533267498846   (flypig,
    17:15:38)
  * LINK: https://fosstodon.org/@piggz/115385355972301576   (flypig,
    17:17:15)

* Next meeting time and date (2 mins)  (rainemak, 17:27:19)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 6th November 2025 at 04:00pm
    UTC: 2025-11-06T1600Z  (rainemak, 17:33:00)

Meeting ended at 17:33:17 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* rainemak (216)
* flypig (52)
* poetaster (23)
* abr (15)
* roundedrectangl (12)
* ExTechOp (11)
* direc85[m] (11)
* mal (8)
* Keto (7)
* piggz[m] (7)
* pherjung[m] (7)
* nephros (6)
* TheKit[m] (3)
* sailbot (2)
* Cryx[m] (2)
* Fellfrosch (1)
* legacychimera247 (1)
* Raymaen[m] (1)




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