16:00:01 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025
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16:00:01 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
16:00:01 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25457
16:00:01 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
16:00:01 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
16:00:11 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
16:00:16 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla
16:00:20 <Nico> #info Nico, community
16:00:37 <mal> #info mal, Jolla
16:00:37 <rainemak> We have two topics today. Please keep on asking and raising topics on forum.
16:00:46 <rainemak> great mal that you were able to join
16:01:05 <Keto> #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla
16:01:18 <filip> #info Filip, community
16:01:20 <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla
16:01:48 <nephros> #info Peter G., community
16:01:54 <nephros> Hi all!
16:02:02 <filip> o/
16:04:41 <abr> #info Andrew Branson, sailing by
16:05:01 <rainemak> #topic Opensourcing the sailfish-compositor poc (10 mins -- pasik)
16:05:09 <rainemak> #info <pasik> As discussed in the Nov 6th 2025 Community meeting there exists a
16:05:09 <rainemak> #info <pasik> poc of a separate sailfish-compositor (done as a hobby project by
16:05:09 <rainemak> #info <pasik> one of the sailors), which adds more modern wayland features
16:05:09 <rainemak> #info <pasik> /protocols (eg. xdg-shell support) to sailfishos. It would be really
16:05:10 <rainemak> #info <pasik> nice if this poc was opensourced to allow community participation in
16:05:11 <rainemak> #info <pasik> development and testing, as getting the sailfish compositor to
16:05:13 <rainemak> #info <pasik> support xdg-shell and other modern wayland protocols is really
16:05:15 <rainemak> #info <pasik> important to get more native apps and frameworks working properly in
16:05:17 <rainemak> #info <pasik> sailfishos. What are Jolla’s plans about this?
16:05:20 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> To clarify discussion from 6th Nov, Sailfish-compositor and the
16:05:21 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> mentioned Weston based compositor for Sailfish are two different
16:05:23 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> things. Conceptually this kind of hobby projects are projects of the
16:05:25 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> author. So, it’s not really Jolla’s plans on this matter.
16:05:27 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:05:29 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Having said that, yes it would be nice to have that Weston based
16:05:31 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> compositor proto / demo available as an open source. However, we
16:05:33 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> cannot proceed with that too quickly.
16:06:53 <rainemak> In any case, prototyping xdg-shell would be nice
16:09:22 <rinigus> it would be. as a community, we could also use qt6/lipstick in principle and make OSS version. but it is not trivial and would require some effort.
16:09:29 <nephros> There have been some mentioned of other possible compositors beside weston. Is there a particular reason that Weston is preferred?
16:10:42 <Nico> Usualy wlr or something was quite widely used, right?
16:10:55 <rainemak> nephros, not really. It actually might be that wl roots could be better
16:11:02 <dcaliste> #info Damien Caliste, community
16:11:21 <rainemak> just that it would be widely enough used
16:13:21 <rainemak> but also that we really cannot have x11 dependencies there in the used toolkits
16:14:31 <rainemak> let's move on
16:15:04 <rainemak> #topic sailfish-browser esr102 status (10 mins -- pasik)
16:15:24 <rainemak> #info <pasik> What’s the latest status on updating the sailfish-browser to gecko
16:15:24 <rainemak> #info <pasik> esr102 ? I believe earlier there was issues getting the new
16:15:24 <rainemak> #info <pasik> webrender code working on sailfishos. Is that still the main
16:15:24 <rainemak> #info <pasik> remaining issue? Is there something the community could/should help
16:15:24 <rainemak> #info <pasik> with?
16:15:32 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Rendering is still the main issue in esr102 code at the moment.
16:16:28 <Nico> More and more pages are breaking at this point in the current browser version sadly... But you are no doubt aware of that :)
16:17:47 <rainemak> Yeah, we're following it quite closely
16:19:38 <Nico> I guess nobody has anything to add on that topic?
16:20:03 <rainemak> I guess so
16:20:07 <rainemak> Let's move on
16:20:14 <rainemak> #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
16:21:50 <Nico> Not a PR, but has anybody tried to build the weather app with the normal sfdk? I ran into some issues around translations with that (and then got sidetracked reading about weather APIs). What does Jolla use to build stuff like that?
16:22:41 <rainemak> Nico, you need to comment two lines out from the spec
16:22:53 <Nico> Yeah, I did figure that out
16:23:14 <Nico> Oh, there actually seems to be a PR for a different weather provider now! https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/pull/2
16:23:38 <Keto> fixing those translation dependencies is on my todo list :)
16:23:40 <nephros> ... or create a dummy RPM which Provides: the missing translation package. That cen then be reused in other jolla-projects as well
16:24:27 <rainemak> Thanks Keto
16:24:44 <rainemak> alright, let's move to the general discussion
16:24:44 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (10 mins or something)
16:24:50 <Nico> Sounds good, wasn't too large a hurdle to cross, but it did make me wonder what workflow Jolla sailors use :)
16:26:38 <Nico> I guess it is quiet today, must be the darkness and slush getting to people
16:26:45 <nephros> Here's another interesting library re: xdg_shell support: https://github.com/winft/wrapland/
16:29:33 <rainemak> sounds silent indeed
16:30:22 <ExTechOp> Any good stuff you'd like share from Slush?
16:31:16 <Nico> Oh, slush is an actual event, I thought you were talking about partially molten snow!
16:31:34 <rainemak> Busy two days here in side event
16:33:28 <ExTechOp> Slush has grown a lot, I remember when it was just a small thing at Kaapelitehdas, now they have the expo center https://slush.org/
16:34:41 <rainemak> Yeap
16:35:04 <rainemak> Alright, let's schedule next meeting
16:35:08 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins)
16:35:14 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 4th December at 04:00 PM UTC
16:35:41 <ExTechOp> The standard time seems appropriate.
16:36:02 <rainemak> right before Finnish independence day
16:36:19 <ExTechOp> Which is on Saturday this year, not that close really.
16:36:55 <rainemak> it's relative
16:37:04 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 4th December 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-04T1600Z
16:37:13 <rainemak> thank you all!
16:37:19 <rainemak> #endmeeting