16:02:13 <rainemak> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025
16:02:13 <sailbot> Meeting started Thu Dec  4 16:02:13 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:02:13 <sailbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
16:02:13 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
16:02:14 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25669
16:02:14 <rainemak> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.
16:02:14 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
16:02:26 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla
16:02:32 <heng> #info Heng Ye, community
16:02:40 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
16:02:47 <rainemak> Sorry for being a bit late
16:03:24 <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla
16:03:37 <rainemak> We have a topic today. Please keep on asking and raising topics on forum.
16:05:31 <rainemak> +2 mins
16:07:34 <rainemak> #topic Certain phones with Sailfish will be blocked by some network operators in Sweden (10 mins -- SRU)
16:07:34 <rainemak> #info <SRU> See My Xperia 10 II Dual SIM will be blocked by Tele2 in Sweden. #info <SRU> What are Jolla’s plans about this?
16:07:34 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/my-xperia-10-ii-dual-sim-will-be-blocked-by-tele2-in-sweden/25757
16:07:47 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Thank you SRU for raising this important topic. It would be much
16:07:47 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> appreciated & valuable if we could look this together with the
16:07:47 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Swedish Sailfish community to narrow down the issue.
16:07:47 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:07:47 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> First few questions that we should try to clarify / figure out.
16:07:49 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> - Have Jolla C2 users receive such messages?
16:07:50 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> - How about Xperia 10 III users?
16:07:52 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> - Messages from other operators than Tele2?
16:07:54 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> - Is the device using the latest software?
16:07:56 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> - Have Android users of the 10 II (if there are even any left)
16:07:58 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> received the same message? (by attah?)
16:08:00 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:08:04 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Surely, old Volte Beta should be used.
16:08:06 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:08:08 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Last time we executed HäKe (Hätäkeskus - Finnish emergency center)
16:08:10 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> tests with Jolla C2.
16:08:12 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:08:14 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Is blocking based on the IMEI? Do we know about that?
16:08:16 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:08:18 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> It could well be that Tele2 is blocking based on IMEI. This could
16:08:20 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> for example mean that dear Tele2 decided that Sony Xperia 10 II is
16:08:22 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> too old.
16:08:24 <rainemak> #info <Jolla>
16:08:26 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Let's continue with an open discussion.
16:08:57 <pherjung[m]> #info pherjung, community
16:09:44 <pherjung[m]> what define a too old phone?
16:10:00 <rainemak> somebody over Tele2
16:10:23 <pherjung[m]> at least, it's clear
16:10:44 <pherjung[m]> I'm wondering if another countries are impacted
16:10:45 <rainemak> pherjung[m], that was just speculation as we do not really know their criterias
16:11:28 <heng> was there any information on if it worked on android?
16:11:58 <rainemak> also Xperia 10 II and Xperia 10 III has different VoLTE implementations -> figuring out feedback from both devices would be valuable to understand whether it is a bug in the VoLTE implementation or something else
16:12:17 <rainemak> heng, haven't seen / heard
16:13:12 <pherjung[m]> https://www.sweclockers.com/forum/trad/1749556-nodsamtal-via-4g
16:13:30 <pherjung[m]> I translated with deepl, but looks like everybody is impacted
16:13:52 <pherjung[m]> https://www.nyteknik.se/tech/problem-med-nodsamtal-mobiler-kan-sparras-alternativet-ar-varre/4414298
16:16:03 <direc85[m]> https://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/sweden-tells-mnos-to-block-older-handsets-from-emergency-calls/ I found this article, but I don't find any sources for it.
16:16:18 <direc85[m]> https://nickvsnetworking.com/background-to-the-volte-mess/ This is the blog post that it links to.
16:16:46 <rainemak> thanks for links
16:18:23 <rainemak> then of course we could try to organize together some kind Swedish emergency center test session... similar that we had here in Finland
16:18:56 <pherjung[m]> and perhaps in other countries?
16:19:06 <rainemak> then completely different question is whether we could do something about the blocking
16:19:52 <rainemak> IMEIs of 10 II Sony devices running Sailfish OS are of course pointing to Sony Android
16:20:18 <rainemak> 5 more mins to this
16:20:52 <tomas_> Is this just effecting the XAs though? I got the SMS to my XA but not ot my XA 2 or 10 III
16:20:55 <piggz[m]> #info piggz - community - very late :D
16:20:59 <direc85[m]> https://www.pts.se/en/news-and-press-releases/operators-must-ensure-access-to-112--certain-mobile-phones-will-be-blocked/ This looks like a more reliable source.
16:22:58 <rainemak> tomas_, what operator you have?
16:24:01 <rainemak> tomas_, is that XA running Sailfish OS or Android?
16:24:35 <tomas_> all sailfish, on the AHllon network
16:24:39 <tomas_> HAllon*
16:24:48 <rainemak> let's keep on feeding this information to the this community meeting comments
16:25:08 <tomas_> I have 2 XAs with Sailfish 4.6, bith got the SMS, and a 10 III and 2 XAs, none of which got the SMS
16:25:16 <rainemak> or have a wikified topic + table
16:25:43 <pherjung> +1 for the wikified topic. It works quite good
16:26:09 <tomas_> **2 XA-2s, that did not get the SMS
16:26:29 <rainemak> pherjung, let's do so
16:26:36 <tomas_> I thoguht maybe they can be flashed to Android, updated to Android 12, and then reflashed to Sailfish?
16:27:00 <attah> Sorry, i'm late. Still have not got it in my head i can actually attend these :)
16:27:02 <rainemak> I think we have cover this one.
16:27:15 <rainemak> no worry attah
16:28:02 <attah> Telia and 10 III here, no SMS of death, but then again Telia are not doing those AFAIK
16:28:04 <rainemak> let's move to the next topic
16:28:26 <rainemak> #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
16:30:32 <rainemak> tomas_, those XAs can well be just too old. Those devices are from 2016. Further, those do not have VoLTE.
16:30:51 <piggz[m]> i see a PR here :) https://github.com/sailfishos/qtbase/pull/22
16:30:57 <rainemak> I don't have any PRs to discuss -> some geoclue changes got integrated yesterday evening
16:31:04 <rainemak> piggz[m], :-)
16:31:05 <piggz[m]> also. would like an update on the big-sb2-pr
16:31:36 <rainemak> piggz[m], noted
16:32:47 <rainemak> let's move to the general discussion -> we can continue this device discussion there
16:32:48 <rainemak> #topic General discussion (10 mins or something)
16:33:10 <pherjung> Today, there were a nice discussion on telegram about fonts
16:33:16 <attah> Anything on 10 IV/V status to share?
16:33:18 <pherjung> here the words of nephros
16:33:29 <ExTechOp> Like attah, again, any word from Sony about Xperia 10III / 10V?
16:33:40 <pherjung> I have been thinking - maybe it would make sense to ask Jolla to make special exceptions in Harbour for "media" type RPMs. I.e. allow e.g. Ringtones, maybe Ambiences, and Font files to be packaged for and released in Harbour.
16:33:40 <rainemak> I guess you have seen this interesting looking timer https://jolla.com/
16:33:55 <ExTechOp> Dammit 10IV/10V not III
16:34:13 <rainemak> do we have mal around?
16:34:24 <ExTechOp> Ooh, I hadn't.
16:34:28 <attah> Every so often there a promising things in the repos, but getting a total picture of the port status is hard.
16:36:09 <rainemak> ExTechOp, great! now you saw it :-) -- stay tuned!
16:36:14 <attah> Super excited about the countdown. HW that's upper-midrange and with good vendor support could really do wonders.
16:37:13 <piggz[m]> attah: try a volla quintus :)
16:37:29 <attah> grumble-grumble :)
16:37:33 <mal> yes
16:37:51 <attah> unfortunately i need like 2-3 Android apps
16:38:10 <rainemak> mal do you have anything to update regarding Xperia 10 IV / 10 V?
16:38:31 <mal> I'm about to test some fix related to suspending with new blobs
16:39:00 <attah> All AIDL-converted interfaces in place?
16:39:03 <mal> and also aidl volte support has been implemented
16:39:22 <attah> nice!
16:39:28 <mal> sensorfw and volte are not yet integrated
16:39:35 <piggz[m]> is that the one by rinigus?
16:40:18 <mal> no, I added support to jolla volte plugin independently from the open plugin
16:40:46 <piggz[m]> ah
16:42:52 <piggz[m]> with quite good open volte support now available for a few SoCs, i wonder if jolla should just open up the closed ones, and have a library of decent open volte implementations :)
16:43:05 <pherjung> +1
16:43:17 <attah> would be cool
16:44:59 <ExTechOp> +1
16:45:13 <piggz[m]> lets just implant the idea :)
16:45:29 <mal> there now PR for perl update https://github.com/sailfishos/perl/pull/9 it was very old before, some additional PRs to other packages are still needed before that can be intergrated, also two new perl packages
16:46:03 <rainemak> I think the next meeting would be the last for the year
16:46:37 <pherjung> what about allowing media type in jolla store?
16:48:17 <rainemak> pherjung, as a teaser, we're covering that in more detail in the next fortnight newsletter
16:49:19 <rainemak> but yes https://github.com/sailfishos/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/pull/180
16:50:37 <pherjung> cool!
16:50:56 <pherjung> I have to leave :(
16:51:00 <pherjung> have a nice day!
16:51:13 <rainemak> thanks pherjung[m]
16:51:21 <rainemak> we're ending anyways
16:51:28 <rainemak> let's schedule the next meeting
16:51:52 <rainemak> #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins)
16:51:52 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 18th December at 04:00 PM UTC
16:52:44 <direc85[m]> +1
16:52:45 <ExTechOp> Works4me. The next one would be on New Year's Day :-D
16:53:08 <rainemak> ExTechOp, that we probably skip :-D
16:53:14 <rainemak> or let's see
16:53:28 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 18th December 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-18T1600Z
16:53:35 <rainemak> thank you all!
16:53:40 <rainemak> #endmeeting