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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 18th December 2025
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Meeting started by rainemak at 16:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-12-18-16.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  16:00:00)
* LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25774   (rainemak, 16:00:00)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 16:00:00)
  * Affe Null, community  (AffeNull[m], 16:00:28)
  * jojomen, community  (jojomen, 16:00:31)
  * Ville Nummela, community  (ViGe, 16:00:32)
  * mettska, community  (mettska, 16:00:33)
  * Heng Ye, community  (heng, 16:00:44)
  * Matti Viljanen, Jolla  (direc85[m], 16:00:49)
  * mal, Jolla  (mal, 16:00:52)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (Guest33872, 16:01:48)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla  (rainemak, 16:02:47)
  * Nico, community  (Nico, 16:03:58)
  * Andrew Branson, Jolla  (abr, 16:03:59)

* Mainline Linux kernel support for Jolla phones (20-30 mins -- asked by
  affe_null)  (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <affe_null> There is a growing community of mobile Linux enthusiasts
    who  (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <affe_null> are interested in running new close-to-mainline kernels
    (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <affe_null> instead of vendor kernels originally developed for
    Android.  (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <affe_null> Some people are already asking about mainline support
    for  (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <affe_null> the new Jolla phone. In the past, similar requests have
    been  (rainemak, 16:06:03)
  * <affe_null> dismissed as not realistic. I think that many things
    have  (rainemak, 16:06:05)
  * <affe_null> changed now. We don’t have a fully working phone with a
    (rainemak, 16:06:07)
  * <affe_null> mainline kernel yet, but some are getting extremely
    close.  (rainemak, 16:06:09)
  * <affe_null>  (rainemak, 16:06:11)
  * <affe_null> This looks like a good opportunity for Sailfish OS,
    since  (rainemak, 16:06:15)
  * <affe_null> using a mainline kernel could help with providing longer
    (rainemak, 16:06:17)
  * <affe_null> support for devices, attract more developers, and
    replace a  (rainemak, 16:06:19)
  * <affe_null> lot of low-quality/unmaintained/proprietary manufacturer
    (rainemak, 16:06:21)
  * <affe_null> code with community-developed open-source software.
    (rainemak, 16:06:23)
  * <affe_null>  (rainemak, 16:06:25)
  * <affe_null> Would Jolla be interested in officially supporting
    community  (rainemak, 16:06:27)
  * <affe_null> mainlining efforts for supported devices? Are there any
    (rainemak, 16:06:29)
  * <affe_null> chances that a close-to-mainline kernel for the Jolla C2
    or  (rainemak, 16:06:31)
  * <affe_null> the new Jolla phone will eventually be integrated into
    (rainemak, 16:06:33)
  * <affe_null> Sailfish OS, perhaps as an optional alternative? I would
    (rainemak, 16:06:35)
  * <affe_null> like to discuss the requirements for this.  (rainemak,
    16:06:37)
  * <Jolla> Unfortunately we do not have resources to officially support
    (rainemak, 16:06:39)
  * <Jolla> community mainlining efforts.  Contributions of course
    welcome  (rainemak, 16:06:41)
  * <Jolla> to the Jolla C2 git repositories.  (rainemak, 16:06:45)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:06:47)
  * <Jolla> Or are you actually asking to support efforts themselves not
    the  (rainemak, 16:06:49)
  * <Jolla> mainlining itself?  (rainemak, 16:06:51)

* Additional details on J2 (5mins -- asked by JoshuaStrobl)  (rainemak,
  16:36:56)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> 1. U.S. band information - It is communicated that
    there  (rainemak, 16:37:02)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> will be support for U.S. market (roaming). Could more
    (rainemak, 16:37:02)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> specifics be provided on which bands will be
    supported?  (rainemak, 16:37:02)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> I have at least one friend I could order the device
    for  (rainemak, 16:37:02)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> that I’ll be meeting up with in Prague next year, but
    he  (rainemak, 16:37:02)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> needs to know if it’d even support his network.
    (rainemak, 16:37:03)
  * <JoshuaStrobl>  (rainemak, 16:37:05)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> 2. Cyan cover? My cyan Jolla One needs a friend. That
    is  (rainemak, 16:37:07)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> all.  (rainemak, 16:37:09)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> 3. Could STLs or similar of the back cover be made
    (rainemak, 16:37:11)
  * <JoshuaStrobl> available so folks can make their own back covers?
    (rainemak, 16:37:15)
  * <Jolla> Let’s try to talk about Jolla Phone or Jolla Phone (2026)
    (rainemak, 16:37:17)
  * <Jolla> whenever possible :-).  (rainemak, 16:37:19)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:37:21)
  * <Jolla> 1. We will design the cellular band configuration to enable
    (rainemak, 16:37:23)
  * <Jolla> global travelling as much as possible. Too early to
    communicate  (rainemak, 16:37:25)
  * <Jolla> actual bands.  (rainemak, 16:37:27)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:37:29)
  * <Jolla> 2. Having a Jolla One color friend sounds like an
    interesting  (rainemak, 16:37:31)
  * <Jolla> idea, let’s see.  (rainemak, 16:37:33)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:37:35)
  * <Jolla> 3. We’ll open source the hardware and software interface
    specs  (rainemak, 16:37:37)
  * <Jolla> of The Other Half so anyone can design, 3D-print, or produce
    (rainemak, 16:37:39)
  * <Jolla> their own modules. So, answer to your question is yes.
    (rainemak, 16:37:41)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/the-other-half-returns-community-innovation-program/26011
    (rainemak, 16:43:30)

* Future plans of the Qt update (10mins -- asked by CLMA31)  (rainemak,
  16:43:50)
  * <CLMA31> During the summer community meeting there were talks that
    the  (rainemak, 16:43:55)
  * <CLMA31> biggest reason Qt update haven’t happened was that there
    was  (rainemak, 16:43:55)
  * <CLMA31> not yet any customer willing to pay for it. After that Sami
    (rainemak, 16:43:55)
  * <CLMA31> mentioned that there had been thinking of splitting the
    (rainemak, 16:43:55)
  * <CLMA31> SailfishOS to fully open source version where Qt update
    could  (rainemak, 16:43:55)
  * <CLMA31> then be done and keeping other version for B2B customers.
    Has  (rainemak, 16:43:57)
  * <CLMA31> there been any development on this front? On other hand, I
    (rainemak, 16:43:58)
  * <CLMA31> hope that financial situation of Jolla has improved and who
    (rainemak, 16:44:00)
  * <CLMA31> know, maybe there could be money even to pay for Qt
    (rainemak, 16:44:02)
  * <CLMA31> licenses :slight_smile: PS: STUNNING job with the J2 launch
    so  (rainemak, 16:44:04)
  * <CLMA31> far! Really excited to get my hand on one  (rainemak,
    16:44:06)
  * <Jolla> No development updates to share now. A model where we would
    (rainemak, 16:44:18)
  * <Jolla> have fully open source version and keeping “current” for B2B
    (rainemak, 16:44:18)
  * <Jolla> customers could be still an option.  (rainemak, 16:44:18)

* Unable to call local emergency from lock screen (5-10 mins -- asked by
  CLMA31)  (rainemak, 16:48:19)
  * <CLMA31> There has been great discussion about the problem in here
    (rainemak, 16:48:19)
  * <CLMA31> Reliable emergency calls - #11 by jrg and at least here
    Unable  (rainemak, 16:48:19)
  * <CLMA31> to call local emergency number, only 112 - #30 by
    moripeluka.  (rainemak, 16:48:19)
  * <CLMA31> There has been reports that it is not possible to call
    local  (rainemak, 16:48:19)
  * <CLMA31> emergency numbers from lock screen, only 112. This sounds
    at  (rainemak, 16:48:21)
  * <CLMA31> least easy and important thing to fix why I want to raise
    the  (rainemak, 16:48:22)
  * <CLMA31> problem. There has been also reports that calling to the
    (rainemak, 16:48:24)
  * <CLMA31> emergency service hasn’t worked at all in the urgent need.
    It  (rainemak, 16:48:26)
  * <CLMA31> would be great to hear if Jolla has been able to
    investigate  (rainemak, 16:48:28)
  * <CLMA31> that and is there hopes to get that working reliable?
    (rainemak, 16:48:30)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/reliable-emergency-calls/26085/11
    (rainemak, 16:48:32)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/unable-to-call-local-emergency-number-only-112/20800/30
    (rainemak, 16:48:34)
  * <Jolla> Should go without saying that this is a topic that we are
    (rainemak, 16:48:43)
  * <Jolla> taking seriously. We do not know yet what exactly is the
    (rainemak, 16:48:43)
  * <Jolla> mechanism on how operators select the devices that are
    banned  (rainemak, 16:48:43)
  * <Jolla> nor how the devices are identified. Same time this probably
    (rainemak, 16:48:44)
  * <Jolla> affects other custom Android ROMs.  (rainemak, 16:48:46)

* AAS-Support on community ports (5mins -- asked by mettska)  (rainemak,
  16:57:20)
  * <mettska> I believe I read somewhere in the past, that Jolla is
    (rainemak, 16:57:26)
  * <mettska> thinking about supporting AAS on community ports. The port
    (rainemak, 16:57:26)
  * <mettska> for the Xperia 1IV/5IV seems to have a high quality. Is
    there  (rainemak, 16:57:26)
  * <mettska> a chance it could be (the first) supported community port?
    (rainemak, 16:57:26)
  * <mettska>  (rainemak, 16:57:26)
  * <mettska> Here you find the information and discussion about the
    port  (rainemak, 16:57:27)
  * <mettska> itself: Sony Nagara (Xperia 1IV and 5IV) port  (rainemak,
    16:57:29)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sony-nagara-xperia-1iv-and-5iv-port/25136
    (rainemak, 16:57:31)
  * <Jolla> It’s very unlikely that Xperia 1 IV / 5 IV would be the
    first  (rainemak, 16:57:55)
  * <Jolla> community port to get the AppSupport (and other commercial
    (rainemak, 16:57:55)
  * <Jolla> components). Currently we are very busy with all related to
    (rainemak, 16:57:55)
  * <Jolla> Jolla Phone product program. Further, we give ourselves a
    bit  (rainemak, 16:57:55)
  * <Jolla> of Christmas break. Surely, we have been thinking how to
    expand  (rainemak, 16:57:55)
  * <Jolla> AppSupport for community ports. More on that later.
    (rainemak, 16:57:57)

* Waiting for the end of FOSDEM before to close J2 sales. (5mins --
  asked by Ric9k)  (rainemak, 17:01:26)
  * <mettska> Someone evoked this on the Sfos TG: J2 could have some
    (rainemak, 17:01:26)
  * <mettska> success during FOSDEM.  (rainemak, 17:01:26)
  * <mettska>  (rainemak, 17:01:26)
  * <mettska> Isnt’t it a bit too bad to close the sales just before the
    (rainemak, 17:01:26)
  * <mettska> end?  (rainemak, 17:01:27)
  * <Jolla> We are seriously considering the 10k as an upper limit for
    the  (rainemak, 17:01:56)
  * <Jolla> pre-orders as a manageable amount and working capital for
    the  (rainemak, 17:01:56)
  * <Jolla> components. Please also note the memory chip prices are
    (rainemak, 17:01:56)
  * <Jolla> skyrocketing increasing the Bill-of-Materials (BoM).
    (rainemak, 17:01:56)

* Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
  (rainemak, 17:06:41)

* General discussion (10 mins or something)  (rainemak, 17:09:45)

* Next meeting time and date (2 mins)  (rainemak, 17:21:33)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 15th January 2026 at 04:00pm
    UTC: 2026-01-15T1600Z  (rainemak, 17:24:08)

Meeting ended at 17:25:23 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* rainemak (162)
* jojomen (18)
* mal (17)
* AffeNull[m] (13)
* Nico (10)
* ExTechop- (10)
* direc85[m] (5)
* mettska (4)
* heng (4)
* abr (4)
* JoshuaStrobl[m] (3)
* mini_coe[m] (3)
* sailbot (2)
* ViGe (2)
* piggz[m] (2)
* roundedrectangl (2)
* Guest33872 (1)
* cquence (1)
* Keto (1)




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