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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 15th January 2026
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Meeting started by rainemak at 16:00:45 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2026/sailfishos-meeting.2026-01-15-16.00.log.html
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Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  16:00:45)
* LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/26416   (rainemak, 16:00:45)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 16:00:45)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla  (rainemak, 16:00:47)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 16:00:56)
  * Nico, Community  (Nico, 16:00:59)
  * poetaster, community  (poetaster, 16:01:10)
  * Heng Ye, community  (HengYe[m], 16:01:45)
  * Matti Viljanen, Jolla  (direc85[m], 16:02:02)
  * Sebix, community  (sebix[m], 16:02:34)
  * mal, Jolla  (mal, 16:03:02)
  * jojomen, community  (jojomen, 16:03:14)
  * pherjung, community  (pherjung, 16:04:59)

* Less extreme Store limitations (15 mins -- rikudou)  (rainemak,
  16:05:45)
  * <rikudou> I have two apps which IMO don’t do anything extraordinary
    but  (rainemak, 16:05:45)
  * <rikudou> neither can be currently published to the Jolla Store. One
    of  (rainemak, 16:05:45)
  * <rikudou> them is BitSailor and the other is the Beginner’s Guide.
    The  (rainemak, 16:05:45)
  * <rikudou> Beginner’s Guide app uses DBus calls to open a store page
    (rainemak, 16:05:45)
  * <rikudou> directly, while BitSailor needs node.js. Especially the
    DBus  (rainemak, 16:05:47)
  * <rikudou> stuff is ridiculous, that’s like disabling Intents on
    (rainemak, 16:05:48)
  * <rikudou> Android.  (rainemak, 16:05:50)
  * <Jolla> Thank for your question. One can feel D-Bus limitation
    (rainemak, 16:05:54)
  * <Jolla> ridiculous but this boils down to Sailjail and how
    sandboxing  (rainemak, 16:05:54)
  * <Jolla> has been built. Whitelisting D-Bus services or interfaces
    can  (rainemak, 16:05:56)
  * <Jolla> surely be done but how it should be done is another topic.
    (rainemak, 16:05:58)
  * <Jolla> Allowing D-Bus services in the Store doesn’t help until the
    (rainemak, 16:06:00)
  * <Jolla> sandboxing is fixed. We have been thinking an approach where
    (rainemak, 16:06:02)
  * <Jolla> application developers could somehow rather easily manifest
    that  (rainemak, 16:06:04)
  * <Jolla> the app would like to talk to a D-Bus service xyz.
    Requirement  (rainemak, 16:06:08)
  * <Jolla> basically would be that end user should be able to
    understand  (rainemak, 16:06:10)
  * <Jolla> the needed permission.  (rainemak, 16:06:12)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:06:14)
  * <Jolla> The Store limitations are defenitely something that we
    should be #info <Jolla> looking during the 1H/26. This is also
    somewhat related to the  (rainemak, 16:06:16)
  * <Jolla> next topic.  (rainemak, 16:06:19)
  * filip, community sorry for the delay  (filip, 16:12:08)

* Featuring good apps from Chum or Storeman in the Jolla Store (15 mins
  -- asked by pherjung)  (rainemak, 16:20:52)
  * <pherjung> There will be various new users and Sailfish ecosystem
    may be  (rainemak, 16:20:58)
  * <pherjung> difficult to understand for beginner users. Jolla Store
    could  (rainemak, 16:20:58)
  * <pherjung> be a little bit modified to include featured apps from
    Chum  (rainemak, 16:20:58)
  * <pherjung> or Storeman. The list should be provided by trusted users
    and  (rainemak, 16:20:58)
  * <pherjung> any app listed in the Jolla Store would have a warning
    with  (rainemak, 16:20:58)
  * <pherjung> some explanation. This information could be provided by
    the  (rainemak, 16:20:59)
  * <pherjung> trusted users or even by the developer. See this thread
    for  (rainemak, 16:21:01)
  * <pherjung> further details: Merging Jolla Store, Chum and OpenRepos
    (rainemak, 16:21:03)
  * <pherjung> together  (rainemak, 16:21:07)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/merging-jolla-store-chum-and-openrepos-together/26711
    (rainemak, 16:21:09)
  * <Jolla> The idea behind Chum is very good and transparent. As user
    you  (rainemak, 16:21:11)
  * <Jolla> have change to check in git SHA1 level what has been built
    and  (rainemak, 16:21:13)
  * <Jolla> also audit source code as the source code repository needs
    to be  (rainemak, 16:21:15)
  * <Jolla> open.  (rainemak, 16:21:17)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:21:19)
  * <Jolla> Idea behind trusted users or developer is also interresting.
    (rainemak, 16:21:21)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:21:23)
  * <Jolla> This Jolla Store vs Chum vs Storeman thing will be messy for
    new  (rainemak, 16:21:25)
  * <Jolla> users as you rightfully raised. Let’s have open discussion
    on  (rainemak, 16:21:27)
  * <Jolla> this.  (rainemak, 16:21:29)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailjail-and-d-bus-interaction-between-apps
    (poetaster, 16:21:40)
  * nephros, community, late-comer  (nephros_, 16:26:35)

* xmpp system integration open sourcing (5 mins -- asked by poetaster)
  (rainemak, 16:36:01)
  * <poetaster> I recall accounts was headed for opening? Is xmpp
    perhaps  (rainemak, 16:36:19)
  * <poetaster> possible. As it stands xmpp integration isn’t really
    usable  (rainemak, 16:36:19)
  * <poetaster> since both cryptography and groups features are missing.
    (rainemak, 16:36:19)
  * <Jolla> Yes, absolutely xmpp account is an option. Before open
    sourcing  (rainemak, 16:36:29)
  * <Jolla> it, we’ll need to separate the repository so that all
    relevant  (rainemak, 16:36:29)
  * <Jolla> pieces would be in the same repository. Few accounts were
    split  (rainemak, 16:36:29)
  * <Jolla> into multiple repositories in the past in contrast for
    example  (rainemak, 16:36:29)
  * <Jolla> to NextCloud account where all is in place.  (rainemak,
    16:36:29)

* Clarification between shop.jolla.com and commerce.jolla.com (5 mins --
  asked by pherjung)  (rainemak, 16:45:00)
  * <pherjung> Actually, it’s a bit confusing. Do you plan to replace
    (rainemak, 16:45:00)
  * <pherjung> shop.jolla.com with commerce.jolla.com? See Download not
    (rainemak, 16:45:00)
  * <pherjung> available after Jolla shop purchase  (rainemak, 16:45:00)
  * LINK: shop.jolla.com   (rainemak, 16:45:00)
  * LINK: commerce.jolla.com   (rainemak, 16:45:02)
  * <Jolla> Sure, we know as well. Getting rid of the old shop.jolla.com
    and  (rainemak, 16:45:29)
  * <Jolla> having the downloadable Sailfish OS images available
    somewhere  (rainemak, 16:45:29)
  * <Jolla> needs more efforts. Unfortunately, we have not had time to
    clean  (rainemak, 16:45:29)
  * <Jolla> this up. Frankly, not even highest priority item whilst same
    (rainemak, 16:45:29)
  * <Jolla> time something that we want to fix as well.  (rainemak,
    16:45:29)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:45:31)
  * <Jolla> But yes problem is noted, acknowledged and understood.
    (rainemak, 16:45:32)

* Back cover of the upcoming J2, specifically cameras (5mins -- asked by
  jojomen)  (rainemak, 16:50:23)
  * <jojomen> To protect front lenses, cameras should be recessed.
    (rainemak, 16:50:23)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:50:23)
  * <jojomen> The renders on commerce.jolla.com show that, when laid
    down,  (rainemak, 16:50:23)
  * <jojomen> the phone will rest on the cameras. So it is quite likely
    the  (rainemak, 16:50:23)
  * <jojomen> front lenses will get scratched, impairing image quality.
    (rainemak, 16:50:25)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:50:26)
  * <jojomen> How final is the design? Is there any chance to change the
    (rainemak, 16:50:28)
  * <jojomen> design to make cameras at least slightly recessed?
    (rainemak, 16:50:30)
  * <Jolla> The design is not yet final. We just received so called
    (rainemak, 16:50:37)
  * <Jolla> “appearance models” with the real dimensions, weight,
    materials  (rainemak, 16:50:38)
  * <Jolla> and feel as-close-as-possible to the actual device. So not
    to  (rainemak, 16:50:40)
  * <Jolla> confuse: the appearance model does not have functioning
    (rainemak, 16:50:42)
  * <Jolla> electronics inside yet - actual functional samples are to
    come  (rainemak, 16:50:44)
  * <Jolla> down the road later.  (rainemak, 16:50:46)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:50:48)
  * <Jolla> We are looking into this as well. Having cameras recessed
    would  (rainemak, 16:50:50)
  * <Jolla> likely not fix this.  (rainemak, 16:50:52)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-update-design-appearance-models/27024
    (rainemak, 16:50:54)

* Updated Forum rules to address AI generated posts (15 mins -- asked by
  jojomen)  (rainemak, 16:59:01)
  * <jojomen> Unfiltered AI posts regurgitate falsehoods, waste effort
    and  (rainemak, 16:59:01)
  * <jojomen> turn threads into an offtopic mess  (rainemak, 16:59:01)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:59:01)
  * <jojomen> We are seeing an influx of new members, which is a good
    thing.  (rainemak, 16:59:01)
  * <jojomen> It’s probably unavoidable that newcomers post questions or
    (rainemak, 16:59:03)
  * <jojomen> ideas that have already been discussed at length. Even if
    this  (rainemak, 16:59:04)
  * <jojomen> is a burden for forum regulars, it is something we need to
    (rainemak, 16:59:08)
  * <jojomen> deal with as gracefully as possible.  (rainemak, 16:59:10)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:59:12)
  * <jojomen> However, posting unfiltered AI content is a new trend that
    (rainemak, 16:59:14)
  * <jojomen> brings a concentrate of all the normal forum challenges
    with  (rainemak, 16:59:16)
  * <jojomen> more harm than benefit. I would like to see the forum
    rules  (rainemak, 16:59:18)
  * <jojomen> updated to discourage or ban the practice. Maybe like:
    (rainemak, 16:59:20)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:59:22)
  * <jojomen> > Please avoid posting AI generated content. People will
    be  (rainemak, 16:59:24)
  * <jojomen> much more interested in engaging with your original ideas.
    (rainemak, 16:59:26)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 16:59:28)
  * <jojomen> Edit: Active moderation is better than detailed rules.
    Also, I  (rainemak, 16:59:30)
  * <jojomen> my allergy towards AI slop resulted in a harsher-than
    (rainemak, 16:59:32)
  * <jojomen> -necessary reaction. I do think it should be mentioned in
    the  (rainemak, 16:59:34)
  * <jojomen> Forum Rules, but something short (like the above) would
    (rainemak, 16:59:38)
  * <jojomen> suffice.  (rainemak, 16:59:40)
  * <Jolla> Like pherjung comment in the Forum, we had a discussion
    under  (rainemak, 16:59:42)
  * <Jolla> moderators about this as well.  (rainemak, 16:59:44)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 16:59:46)
  * <Jolla> Let’s have an open discussion here as well.  (rainemak,
    16:59:48)

* Support backlog (5 mins -- asked by jojomen)  (rainemak, 17:16:11)
  * <jojomen> In mid-December, there was mention of a long list of
    support  (rainemak, 17:16:11)
  * <jojomen> tickets resulting in delayed replies. What is the current
    (rainemak, 17:16:11)
  * <jojomen> situation?  (rainemak, 17:16:11)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 17:16:11)
  * <jojomen> A month ago, there was this message asking for patience:
    (rainemak, 17:16:13)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-pre-order-campaign-has-started/25772/492
    (rainemak, 17:16:15)
  * <jojomen> …and since then we’ve had major holidays, so it could be
    that  (rainemak, 17:16:17)
  * <jojomen> you still have a long queue of tickets to deal with. What
    is  (rainemak, 17:16:19)
  * <jojomen> the current situation for support, what kind of delays
    could  (rainemak, 17:16:21)
  * <jojomen> be expected?  (rainemak, 17:16:23)
  * <jojomen>  (rainemak, 17:16:25)
  * <jojomen> Edit: removed reference to resolved issue  (rainemak,
    17:16:27)
  * <Jolla> We’re dequeue it. As you understand we have of course
    received  (rainemak, 17:16:32)
  * <Jolla> new questions after this. In the backlog we have for example
    a  (rainemak, 17:16:33)
  * <Jolla> task to improve Jolla Phone (2026) FAQ based on the answered
    (rainemak, 17:16:33)
  * <Jolla> frequent questions. If you haven’t noticed there’s an anchor
    now  (rainemak, 17:16:35)
  * <Jolla> as well.  (rainemak, 17:16:39)
  * LINK: https://jolla.com/phone#faq   (rainemak, 17:16:41)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 17:16:43)
  * <Jolla> Thank you all for your help as well.  (rainemak, 17:16:45)

* Harbour exception for File Browser (15 mins -- asked by pherjung)
  (rainemak, 17:23:35)
  * <pherjung> There’s question itself. As it is rather long, please
    check  (rainemak, 17:23:35)
  * <pherjung> the link.  (rainemak, 17:23:35)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-15th-january-2026/26416/14
    (rainemak, 17:23:37)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/make-file-browser-official/27097/1
    (rainemak, 17:23:38)
  * <Jolla> The starting point is pretty much covered by nephros.
    (rainemak, 17:24:35)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/make-file-browser-official/27097/32
    (rainemak, 17:24:35)

* Progress in Xperia 10 IV/V ports?  (5 mins -- asked by AlmuHS)
  (rainemak, 17:39:05)
  * <AlmuHS> The Xperia 10 IV and V ports seems freezed from many months
    (rainemak, 17:39:05)
  * <AlmuHS> ago. Some users got to use the Xperia 10 V using v4b blobs,
    to  (rainemak, 17:39:05)
  * <AlmuHS> fix the battery monitor, but the camera, microphone (only
    works  (rainemak, 17:39:05)
  * <AlmuHS> in calls) and hardware codecs doesn’t works yet.
    (rainemak, 17:39:07)
  * <AlmuHS>  (rainemak, 17:39:08)
  * <AlmuHS> I want to know about the progress in these ports,
    especially  (rainemak, 17:39:10)
  * <AlmuHS> camera and microphone.  (rainemak, 17:39:12)
  * <Jolla> Hopefully mal is able to join and update on this if there's
    (rainemak, 17:39:19)
  * <Jolla> something to update.  (rainemak, 17:39:19)

* Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)
  (rainemak, 17:43:12)

* General discussion (15 mins)  (rainemak, 17:45:54)

* Next meeting time and date (2 mins)  (rainemak, 18:07:10)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 29th January 2026 at 04:00pm
    UTC: 2026-01-29T1600Z  (rainemak, 18:10:13)

Meeting ended at 18:10:56 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* rainemak (261)
* poetaster (69)
* jojomen (63)
* pherjung (23)
* ExTechOp (22)
* nephros_ (22)
* filip (12)
* rikudou (12)
* Nico (7)
* mal (7)
* direc85[m] (3)
* sebix[m] (3)
* sailbot (2)
* HengYe[m] (1)




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