16:00:03 <Keto> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- October 1, 2026 16:00:03 <sailbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 1 16:00:03 2026 UTC. The chair is Keto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:03 <sailbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:07 <pherjung[m]> Hello everyone :) 16:00:18 <rainemak> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: 16:00:19 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33735 16:00:37 <rainemak> I am the meeting's co-chairperson today with Keto, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. 16:00:37 <rainemak> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info 16:00:45 <extechop[m]> #info Otto Mäkelä, community 16:00:50 <rainemak> #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla 16:00:55 <pherjung[m]> #info pherjung, community 16:01:07 <MiPal75> #info Michal Kasík, community, Jolla Phone 2026 user 16:01:27 <Keto> #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla 16:02:43 <Nico> #info Nico, community 16:03:45 <abr> #info Andrew Branson, sailing by 16:04:52 <rainemak> let's start in a moment and check action points 16:05:10 <rainemak> #topic Tracking of non-resolved Community Meeting topics 16:05:10 <rainemak> #action Community task board 16:05:10 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-23rd-april-2026/29030/3 16:05:10 <rainemak> #action Jolla to update regarding recommended charging cables and chargers. 16:05:10 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-7th-may-2026/29253/2 16:05:13 <rainemak> #action The Privacy Switch in relation to Ambiances 16:05:15 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-july-16-2026/30378/7 16:05:17 <rainemak> #info No actions taken yet regarding community task board nor charger / cables. 16:06:43 <rainemak> one moment, I think Keto needs to redo above 16:07:35 <Keto> well, they are now in first topic, lets just move on 16:07:47 <Keto> #topic Quick app switching gesture (5 mins -- jojomen) 16:09:02 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> The Quick App Switching gesture works really well and I find 16:09:02 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> it essential in my everyday phone usage. Apparently, I’m not 16:09:02 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> alone in this: Switching between 2 apps more easilly (eg 16:09:02 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> password manager) 16:09:02 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> 16:09:04 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> Edit: This has also been frequently requested by many new 16:09:05 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> members brought here by the Jolla Phone. 16:09:07 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> 16:09:09 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> However, to enable the gesture one has to issue a dconf 16:09:13 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> command in the terminal. Please, could we have a toggle for 16:09:15 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> this gesture in the Settings app, section Gestures? 16:09:17 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> 16:09:19 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> (It can also be set from the pulley menu of the Edge Swipe 16:09:21 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> Control app by @nephros, but it is still pretty hidden.) 16:09:23 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Yes, we should have hidden used configuration values visible 16:09:25 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> somewhere. Not a high priority item thou. 16:09:27 <rainemak> I'm personally using quick app switching as well. 16:09:46 <nephros> #info nephros, community, observing... 16:10:53 <rainemak> Let's see how we should handle this... I'm thinking open source Settings plugin. Maybe Sailfish Labs or such. 16:11:05 <nephros> Exposing UI should be relatively simple addition to Setttings. Community could do it. 16:11:17 <nephros> Question is where to send the fils. 16:11:20 <nephros> *files. 16:11:23 <Nico> Yeah, I do use the quick switch as well and it seems like a shame, that it isn't exposed currently to more users :D 16:11:27 <pherjung[m]> open-sourcing settings plugin would be awesome 16:11:45 <Keto> is there somereason to not just add it to the gestures settings? 16:12:22 <nephros> Keto: yea, seems like 1 TextSwitch and 7 lines of code or so. 16:12:23 <rainemak> imo, can go there as well... but that's closed 16:12:44 <extechop[m]> Is there a specific reason it needs to be closed? 16:12:44 <rainemak> I think this more broadly as we have tons of these 16:13:35 <extechop[m]> I'm not quite sure I understand the scope of what Patchmanager can and can't do, could it make the appropriate additions there? 16:13:45 <nephros> OK, so maybe "github.com:sailfishos/sailfish-settings-labs" , and we put Setting entrie sand things there for review? 16:13:53 <rainemak> I have 12 in my list 16:14:00 <nephros> extechop[m]: yes, that's trivial. 16:14:16 <rainemak> nephros, something like that 16:14:38 <rainemak> we could there have sections like Gestures, App Grip, Animations, etc... 16:14:49 <rainemak> or even sub-pages 16:15:03 <abr> 12! I only know that one and the LPM 16:15:20 <abr> something like the utilities app maybe 16:15:24 <abr> or even part of that 16:15:26 <pherjung[m]> or use patchmanager and once it's mature merge to the system? 16:15:41 <abr> in fact utilities is already open 16:15:43 <rainemak> pherjung[m], I'd rather not use patchmanager 16:15:57 <rainemak> abr, that's wrong direction as well 16:16:31 <extechop[m]> But wouldn't Patchmanager make a good light-weight "proof of concept" and people could try the feature out? 16:16:46 <rainemak> there is no proof-of-concept 16:17:00 <rainemak> more like x number of dconf keys 16:17:34 <nephros> Well, here's one PoC: https://github.com/nephros/peekfilter-button/blob/master/jolla-settings/pages/peekfilter-button/AdvancedPage.qml 16:17:45 <extechop[m]> In this case, a test to see if people would want to have feature X. 16:18:09 <pherjung[m]> or start a debate what should be improved 16:18:11 <rainemak> nephros, it's exactly what I'm thinking with this Labs 16:18:21 <rainemak> experimental features 16:19:06 <pherjung[m]> I'm curious, what are the issues to use patchmanager to provide experimental features? 16:19:09 <abr> i'm surprised there isn't already an app to set these values 16:19:17 <rainemak> pherjung[m], it's not for everybody 16:19:31 <pherjung[m]> not sure to understand 16:19:33 <rainemak> I'd like to get these values for broader use 16:19:35 <abr> I think the features are already implemented, so patchmanager isn't really needed 16:19:42 <abr> it's just config that's missing 16:19:43 <nephros> abr: there's a couple of patchmanager patches out there, some use these dconf keys. 16:19:49 <extechop[m]> Experimental features surely are not for everyone. 16:20:16 <pherjung[m]> oh, that make sense. But it means such features would be already mature to not break the system? 16:20:16 <rainemak> extechop[m], you miss the point 16:20:36 <rainemak> trying out "Quick app switching" and make it simple enough 16:20:59 <nephros> Without mice and lab assistants, what's the use of an experimental feature? :) 16:21:42 <extechop[m]> We need to write it down, otherwise it's just messing around, like the Mythbusters said. 16:21:43 <rainemak> "Experimental Features" <- from the above peekfilter-button 16:21:46 <pherjung[m]> perhaps the word experimental is not the good one 16:22:07 <rainemak> no need to decide it here 16:22:11 <rainemak> it's matter of open PR 16:22:28 <rainemak> if you are happy with sailfish-settings-labs -> then I'll create one 16:22:36 <rainemak> and BSD-3 license 16:22:37 <abr> +1 16:22:41 <pherjung[m]> +1 16:22:42 <muhnschein> +1 <3 16:22:43 <nephros> Heh just spotted a bug in that peekfilter-button page. 16:23:11 <rainemak> #action Jolla to create sailfish-settings-labs 16:23:21 <rainemak> let's move on 16:23:31 <nephros> ^ Oh yeah! I have two or three "apps" that go there, and I guess there's a selection of patchmanager patches as well. 16:23:31 <rainemak> Keto, next topic 16:23:33 <Keto> #topic Harbour policy: allowing a bundled helper executable (10 mins -- muhnschein) 16:23:46 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Harbour only allows ELF files at /usr/bin/<NAME> or as .so 16:23:46 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> libraries under /usr/share/<NAME>/lib/. This blocks apps 16:23:46 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> like Piirit that bundle an upstream helper binary and run 16:23:46 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> it as a subprocess. There are many legitimate use cases for 16:23:46 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> this. 16:23:48 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:23:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Proposal: allow ELF executables in an app-private directory 16:23:51 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> (e.g. /usr/libexec/<NAME>/), under the same conditions as 16:23:53 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> the main binary (no setuid/setgid, no group/world-writable 16:23:55 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> modes, dynamic libraries on the allow-list). 16:23:57 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:23:59 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> More context: Harbour policy: allowing a bundled helper 16:24:01 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> executable (re Piirit). 16:24:03 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33807 16:24:05 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Open discussion on this. 16:24:44 <muhnschein> May I? First-timer, bear with me. 16:25:08 <muhnschein> Basically what it says on the tin. 16:25:09 <rainemak> please do 16:25:13 <muhnschein> work on Piirit, a messenger based on Delta Chat. Piirit bundles Delta Chat's official `deltachat-rpc-server` companion binary, as is recommended by them. (The alternatives are a deprecated upstream interface or one that upstream does not recommend themselves.) 16:25:22 <muhnschein> Harbour allows only one executable per app, and this helper binary is in /usr/libexec/harbour-piirit/deltachat-rpc-server; so validation obviously fails (3 errors overall). 16:25:42 <muhnschein> Proposal therefore, as stated above: Allow ELF executables in a single app-private directory, e.g., /usr/libexec/<NAME>/, and adjust the validator accordingly. 16:25:50 <rainemak> background daemon discussion has been long lasting topic 16:25:54 <muhnschein> (As a bonus, vige already said this could work and offered to prepare the validator PR. *cough* :-) ) 16:26:09 <muhnschein> rainemak: Yup, this is not that though. 16:26:30 <muhnschein> This is only supposed to run while the app is running. Gone when app is gone. 16:26:42 <rainemak> but should work with a sandbox and I think be compatible 16:27:01 <rainemak> those kind of sailjail rules could be created 16:27:27 <abr> yeah i guess it would be invoked by the app, so runs in the sandbox with it? 16:27:41 <rainemak> abr, that's what I'm thinking 16:27:42 <muhnschein> Yup, that's the idea, same namespace 16:28:24 <abr> sounds good to me 16:28:30 <rainemak> any other thoughts... 16:28:53 <muhnschein> thats all from my end. i'd appreciate the change. 16:28:56 <rainemak> light-weight steps towards real background daemons 16:29:00 <abr> yeah 16:29:17 <abr> though i wouldn't like to say those could be any binary 16:29:48 <muhnschein> abr: agreed. if these would come with a more involved harbour review, that'd be fine by me. 16:30:28 <abr> we'd have to make sure that closing the app also terminated the sandbox until then. i think it might do already 16:31:20 <nephros> No biggie, but if that dir were /usr/share/appname/bin instead of /usr/libexec/appname, this would make apps easier to "relocate", i.e. change the installation root path. 16:31:25 <rainemak> doesn't sound too bad too me either 16:31:43 <rainemak> nephros, +1 16:31:52 <rainemak> or /opt 16:32:07 <abr> binaries in /usr/share though? 16:32:24 <nephros> abr: it's iffy, but already allowed and the case. 16:32:38 <rainemak> let's take that separately. I think we have common understanding that we could have 2nd binary with an app 16:32:49 <muhnschein> <3 16:33:04 <muhnschein> nice, thanks 16:33:43 <rainemak> #action Iron out bundled helper executable (https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-october-1-2026/33735/4) 16:33:59 <rainemak> let's move... sorry this went long as ewll 16:34:01 <rainemak> well 16:34:12 <rainemak> ^ Keto 16:34:18 <Keto> #topic Touchscreen nearby taps detected as drag gesture (bug?) (5mins -- asked by nicov84) 16:34:33 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> As per BUG report by @HtheB, the touchscreen seems to detect 16:34:33 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> subsequent, close distance taps as drags. This causes some 16:34:33 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> apps (standard keyboard, futo keyboard) to misbehave. 16:34:33 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> For the standard keyboard, this results in sudden layout 16:34:33 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> changes. For futo, in problematic swiping and typos. 16:34:34 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> Is this a hardware issue or can the sensitivity/behavior be 16:34:36 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> tuned in software? 16:34:38 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> Two near-simultaneous taps with different fingers are 16:34:40 <rainemak> #info <nicov84> delivered as a single touch point dragging between them 16:34:44 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33237 16:34:54 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> This is more like a bug report. Not much to discuss. 16:34:54 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Doubt that two different fingers are treated as a single touch 16:34:54 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> point. Gesture it could probably trigger. Impossible to comment 16:34:55 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> about a single use case / error. We'll note this to internal 16:34:56 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> issue tracker. 16:35:06 <rainemak> I think I have seen this with Sailfish virtual keyboard whilst typing but it is long time since I saw it. When this happens with Sailfish vkb, it triggers keyboard layout change. 16:35:34 <rainemak> there are few event filters maybe those are causing some issues 16:36:05 <extechop[m]> I suspect I've seen this under Android apps like c:geo where occasionally a tap is suddenly read as a very quick swipe, and your map suddenly goes flying past you. 16:36:38 <rainemak> I don't think we create synthetic touch events 16:37:04 <rainemak> thus, it should be different event 16:37:42 <rainemak> #action Issue to be reported 16:37:48 <rainemak> let's move on 16:38:12 <rainemak> Keto, next please :-) 16:38:26 <rainemak> next one is quick one, no need to spend time there 16:38:51 <Keto> I have noticed dragging with mouse in android apps goes wild sometimes, don't know if related in any way 16:39:20 <rainemak> mouse event could actually be 16:39:39 <abr> switching keyboard layouts too easily too 16:40:01 <rainemak> abr, that's the issue that I'm seeing... or have seen 16:40:58 <Keto> anyhow, needs investigation. moving on 16:41:23 <Keto> #topic Visibility of spare parts for the Jolla Phone at commerce.jolla.com (5 mins -- asked by jojomen) 16:41:40 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> I didn’t find the spare parts in the new shop and assumed they 16:41:40 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> were just not available yet. But then I stumbled upon this 16:41:40 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> comment Are the Jolla phones not shipping to the USA? - #26 by 16:41:42 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> makrolon, where it turns out they are just a bit hidden. 16:41:43 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> 16:41:45 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> Could we have all items visible by default in the online shop, 16:41:47 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> please? Or, if that would be too cluttered, at least a clearly 16:41:49 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> visible option to show the different categories/collections 16:41:51 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> you have defined. 16:41:53 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> 16:41:56 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> more comments and suggestions: Are the Jolla phones not 16:41:57 <rainemak> #info <jojomen> shipping to the USA? - #27 by teleshoes. 16:41:59 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/are-the-jolla-phones-not-shipping-to-the-usa/28756/26 16:42:01 <rainemak> #link https://commerce.jolla.com/collections/jolla-phone-accessories 16:42:03 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Know improvement topic. Noted. 16:42:05 <rainemak> Known 16:42:44 <rainemak> Let's move on. 16:43:30 <Keto> #topic Jolla Store: Fix screenshot presentation (5 mins -- asked by muhnschein) 16:43:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Jolla Store seems to crop screenshots submitted via 16:43:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Harbour. Without having measured them, these seem like the 16:43:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> screen dimensions of the original Jolla Phone. Screenshots 16:43:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> with other dimensions are cropped so that top and bottom 16:43:49 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> are missing. 16:43:50 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:43:52 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> While some work around this with letterboxing, this is 16:43:54 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> evident in most of the apps recently added to the store: 16:43:56 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:43:58 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Sail Prompt 16:44:00 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Straps 16:44:02 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Cookbook 16:44:04 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Radar (Find my Device) 16:44:06 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> BitSailor 16:44:08 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Meliona 16:44:12 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Frostlife 16:44:14 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> Sailstream for Plex 16:44:16 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:44:18 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> This is neither mentioned in the Harbour interface nor 16:44:20 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> strictly necessary - and rather unfortunate for the 16:44:22 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> developers. 16:44:24 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> 16:44:26 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> I’m kindly asking for this to be fixed and hope that this 16:44:28 <rainemak> #info <muhnschein> is the right place. 16:44:30 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Thank you for raising this one. We'll create an internal issue. 16:44:32 <rainemak> We are working on Android apk intake improvements. This was asked by MikkoTenhunen in follow up comment. 16:45:02 <muhnschein> Great to hear, thanks. In that case I don't think I have much more to add. 16:45:40 <muhnschein> Can I kindly ask that whatever you decide on (scale-to-fit, letterbox, desired dimensions) I also clearly mentioned in Harbour? 16:45:43 <abr> well spotted 16:46:15 <muhnschein> *is 16:47:48 <rainemak> indeed, well spotted 16:48:54 <rainemak> alright, let's move on 16:49:23 <rainemak> Keto, ^ 16:49:37 <Keto> #topic Android App Support: PIN Code and Authentication Issues (10 mins -- asked by MikkoTenhunen) 16:50:06 <abr> ooh 16:50:23 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> Many Android applications that rely on secure 16:50:23 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> authentication methods appear to have problems inside 16:50:23 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> Sailfish OS Android App Support. I would like to know 16:50:23 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> whether Jolla has made progress on fixing Android PIN 16:50:23 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> code, biometric authentication, and secure credential 16:50:24 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> storage related issues. 16:50:26 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> 16:50:28 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> In particular: 16:50:30 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> - Do banking applications now support PIN code 16:50:32 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> authentication correctly? 16:50:34 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> - Do authenticator applications (2FA/TOTP apps) work 16:50:36 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> reliably with device security features? 16:50:38 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> - Are there known limitations in Android App Support 16:50:40 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> regarding Android Keystore, biometric APIs, or PIN 16:50:44 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> protected authentication? 16:50:46 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> - Is there an estimated roadmap or planned improvements 16:50:48 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> for banking and authentication apps? 16:50:50 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> 16:50:52 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> This information would help users understand the current 16:50:54 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> status of Android application compatibility and security 16:50:56 <rainemak> #info <MikkoTenhunen> related functionality on Sailfish OS. 16:50:58 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> We are looking into this. Too early to comment. Let's hope that 16:51:00 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> we'd have some improvements integrated for Sailfish OS 5.3 16:51:02 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> release. 16:51:09 <abr> ooh 16:51:10 <rainemak> We said in hacking that 5.3 could go to CBeta by end of October 16:51:34 <MikkoTenhunen[m]> 👍️ Hopefully soon this fix 16:52:35 <rainemak> There are many components involved and touching device lock and friends cannot really lock people out from their device 16:52:54 <rainemak> MikkoTenhunen[m], tricky task 16:54:23 <abr> yeah i think it's a lot more complex than it seems. not just some sort of 'passthrough' 16:54:37 <rainemak> abr, indeed 16:55:11 <rainemak> let's see what can we make for 5.3 16:56:12 <rainemak> let's move on 16:56:25 <Keto> #topic Community Port - X10V and X10IV AAS update (5 mins -- asked by sharks) 16:56:30 <jojomen> #info jojomen, community 16:56:40 <jojomen> hi everyone, sorry I'm late to the party 16:56:46 <rainemak> no worry 16:56:47 <rainemak> #info <sharks> Per the 03/09/26 community meeting, I’ve attempted reaching out 16:56:47 <rainemak> #info <sharks> a few times over the last month on #sailfishos on IRC to see if 16:56:47 <rainemak> #info <sharks> anyone from Jolla can let me know what is required of me to 16:56:47 <rainemak> #info <sharks> assist / accelerate AAS progress for the community port. 16:56:48 <rainemak> #info <sharks> 16:56:49 <rainemak> #info <sharks> Given I’ve not received any reply, I am reaching out again 16:56:51 <rainemak> #info <sharks> here. Are you able to give us any news? After all, the squeaky 16:56:53 <rainemak> #info <sharks> wheel gets the grease. 16:56:55 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> We understand the desire for this. However, we haven't had 16:56:57 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> chance to test this yet. For Xperia 10 IV and 10 V communinity 16:56:59 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> ports we'd need AppSupport that is Android 15 based (simplest 16:57:01 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> this way). Along with Sailfish OS 5.2 we should get AppSupport 16:57:03 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> upgraded for Jolla C2 to Android 15 base. This should pawe the 16:57:05 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> way towards getting AppSupport for 10IV and 10V community ports. 16:57:07 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Bear with us and give us a bit more time on this. 16:58:24 <jojomen> Good news/forecast/no-promises for the C2! 16:58:47 <rainemak> It should be already there 16:59:21 <jojomen> :) 17:00:52 <rainemak> we could move to next topic I think 17:00:57 <abr> didn't anyone notice? 17:01:13 <rainemak> abr, notice what? 17:01:24 <rainemak> C2 AppSupport15 is not yet public 17:01:39 <abr> ooh ssh 17:01:48 <jojomen> Damn, just switching mine on to update ;) 17:01:52 <abr> xD 17:02:33 <Keto> soon 17:02:35 <rainemak> public release for all supported devices should be too far 17:02:49 <rainemak> great 17:03:18 <Keto> #topic Jolla Phone 2026 Wi-Fi hardware: 1x1 or 2x2 MIMO? (5 mins -- asked by MiPal75) 17:03:41 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> Could Jolla please confirm one specific hardware specification 17:03:42 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> of the Jolla Phone 2026 WLAN subsystem: 17:03:42 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:03:43 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> Is the Jolla Phone 2026 physically designed for 1x1 or 2x2 Wi-Fi MIMO? 17:03:45 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:03:47 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> Several real-world tests indicate that the Jolla Phone 2026 17:03:49 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> currently operates using only one spatial stream. This has 17:03:51 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> been reproduced by more than one user and with different 17:03:53 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> access points. At the same time, iw phy phy0 info advertises 17:03:55 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> HE MCS support for both NSS 1 and NSS 2. 17:03:57 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:03:59 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> There is an existing forum discussion with measurements here: 17:04:01 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:04:03 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> I have also asked Jolla Customer Care for clarification but 17:04:05 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> have not received an answer. 17:04:07 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:04:09 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> I am specifically not asking whether the current Wi-Fi 17:04:13 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> connection happens to operate as 1x1. I would like to clarify 17:04:15 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> the physical design of the phone: 17:04:17 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:04:19 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> If the WLAN hardware/RF/antenna design is 1x1, then the 17:04:21 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> observed behaviour is expected and the question is 17:04:23 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> answered. 17:04:25 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:04:27 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> If the phone is physically designed for 2x2, then the fact 17:04:29 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> that multiple devices appear to operate as 1x1 may warrant 17:04:31 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> investigation of the driver, firmware or configuration. 17:04:33 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> 17:04:35 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> A confirmation from the Jolla hardware team of “1x1” or “2x2” 17:04:37 <rainemak> #info <MiPal75> would therefore be sufficient. 17:04:39 <rainemak> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-2026-wi-fi-6-throughput-appears-limited-to-400-mbit-s-480-mbit-s-phy/32719 17:04:44 <rainemak> #info <Jolla> Jolla Phone 2026 has 1x1 MIMO 17:05:29 <MiPal75> Thank you for the clear answer, that resolves it for me. 17:06:07 <rainemak> Great thank 17:06:29 <jojomen> Is the limitation in the SoC or somewhere else, like antenna 17:06:31 <jojomen> Is the limitation in the SoC or somewhere else, like antenna? 17:08:07 <rainemak> jojomen, unfortunately I don't have an answer for that 17:08:19 <jojomen> That's fine, was just curious :) 17:08:27 <Keto> I don't even know what MIMO means :b 17:08:42 <jojomen> Multiple Input Multiple Opinions ;) 17:09:01 <extechop[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMO 17:09:11 <abr> I think they're one of the eurovision entries 17:09:26 <jojomen> abr :D 17:09:59 <rainemak> and I'm in Transit :-) 17:10:01 <jojomen> You're not thinking of t.A.T.u? 17:10:17 <rainemak> ok, let's move on 17:10:24 <Keto> #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) 17:10:57 <rainemak> esr153 PRs were merged... we should give a look to PRs from nephros next 17:10:59 <abr> rainemak: no you're in A Transit 17:11:49 <rainemak> I'll post a photo to the IRC minutes 17:12:07 <jojomen> Nice work on the browser! 17:12:33 <abr> pretty cool how people are creating their own browsers on top of the new engine 17:12:37 <abr> that's how it should be 17:12:50 <abr> browsers everywhere and no chromium :P 17:12:55 <rainemak> yeap, some awesome 17:13:01 <jojomen> +1 17:13:09 <rainemak> s/some// 17:14:41 <rainemak> 4 PRs from nephros that we should check after new browser lands 17:15:27 <MiPal75> Thanks all, I have to leave now. Have a nice evening! 17:15:39 <jojomen> You too! 17:15:42 <rainemak> MiPal75, thanks... welcome to join next time as well 17:16:15 <rainemak> let's move on 17:16:38 <Keto> #topic General discussion (10 mins) 17:17:11 <extechop[m]> Just installed 5.2.0.18 and it at least booted! 17:17:27 <rainemak> extechop[m], which device 17:18:11 <extechop[m]> Jolla Phone 2026 17:18:16 <rainemak> +1 17:19:05 <jojomen> Updated one of my JPs. Was smooth sailing, completely uneventful. There's a significant speedup in boot-to-UI 17:19:28 <jojomen> ...which is really nice! 17:19:40 <rainemak> and AppSupport audio fixes are nice 17:21:46 <jojomen> I have a (recurring) question about recurring subscriptions. 17:22:24 <rainemak> please ask 17:22:27 <jojomen> Brought up in a previous meeting that recurring subscription doesn't seem to work for me. They always end up on-shot 17:22:54 <jojomen> Is there anything on you can suggest for troubleshooting this? 17:23:11 <rainemak> Let's take this offline for example in Forum PM 17:23:25 <jojomen> I have other recurring payments/donations registered, and they work. 17:23:40 <jojomen> OK, works for me :) 17:23:46 <rainemak> Thanks 17:24:26 <rainemak> ah, that community meeting in Stockholm 17:24:52 <rainemak> there's now a date poll: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/roadshow-potential-community-meeting-stockholm-oct-21/34246 17:25:13 <jojomen> Yes! Happy to see you suggesting a couple of dates that would work (and sad that I don't think I will make it) 17:26:10 <rainemak> please join if you happen to be around, and vote for your preference 17:26:28 <rainemak> that event is not yet carved into a stone 17:27:00 <rainemak> I think it's time for final topic 17:27:50 <Keto> #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) 17:28:09 <rainemak> Proposing Thursday 15th October at 04:00 PM UTC 17:28:14 <rainemak> usual schedule 17:29:47 <jojomen> looks ok for me, but things change on short notice here, sooo 17:30:32 <rainemak> I think that's it then 17:30:38 <rainemak> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 15th October 2026 at 04:00pm UTC: 2026-10-15T1600Z 17:30:47 <rainemak> thank you all! 17:31:07 <Keto> #endmeeting