=============================================================================== #sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- October 1, 2026 =============================================================================== Meeting started by Keto at 16:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2026/sailfishos-meeting.2026-10-01-16.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 16:00:18) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33735 (rainemak, 16:00:19) * Otto Mäkelä, community (extechop[m], 16:00:45) * Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla (rainemak, 16:00:50) * pherjung, community (pherjung[m], 16:00:55) * Michal Kasík, community, Jolla Phone 2026 user (MiPal75, 16:01:07) * Pami Ketolainen, Jolla (Keto, 16:01:27) * Nico, community (Nico, 16:02:43) * Andrew Branson, sailing by (abr, 16:03:45) * ACTION: Community task board (rainemak, 16:05:10) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-23rd-april-2026/29030/3 (rainemak, 16:05:10) * ACTION: Jolla to update regarding recommended charging cables and chargers. (rainemak, 16:05:10) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-7th-may-2026/29253/2 (rainemak, 16:05:10) * ACTION: The Privacy Switch in relation to Ambiances (rainemak, 16:05:13) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-july-16-2026/30378/7 (rainemak, 16:05:15) * No actions taken yet regarding community task board nor charger / cables. (rainemak, 16:05:17) * Quick app switching gesture (5 mins -- jojomen) (Keto, 16:07:47) * The Quick App Switching gesture works really well and I find (rainemak, 16:09:02) * it essential in my everyday phone usage. Apparently, I’m not (rainemak, 16:09:02) * alone in this: Switching between 2 apps more easilly (eg (rainemak, 16:09:02) * password manager) (rainemak, 16:09:02) * (rainemak, 16:09:02) * Edit: This has also been frequently requested by many new (rainemak, 16:09:04) * members brought here by the Jolla Phone. (rainemak, 16:09:05) * (rainemak, 16:09:07) * However, to enable the gesture one has to issue a dconf (rainemak, 16:09:09) * command in the terminal. Please, could we have a toggle for (rainemak, 16:09:13) * this gesture in the Settings app, section Gestures? (rainemak, 16:09:15) * (rainemak, 16:09:17) * (It can also be set from the pulley menu of the Edge Swipe (rainemak, 16:09:19) * Control app by @nephros, but it is still pretty hidden.) (rainemak, 16:09:21) * Yes, we should have hidden used configuration values visible (rainemak, 16:09:23) * somewhere. Not a high priority item thou. (rainemak, 16:09:25) * nephros, community, observing... (nephros, 16:09:46) * ACTION: Jolla to create sailfish-settings-labs (rainemak, 16:23:11) * Harbour policy: allowing a bundled helper executable (10 mins -- muhnschein) (Keto, 16:23:33) * Harbour only allows ELF files at /usr/bin/ or as .so (rainemak, 16:23:46) * libraries under /usr/share//lib/. This blocks apps (rainemak, 16:23:46) * like Piirit that bundle an upstream helper binary and run (rainemak, 16:23:46) * it as a subprocess. There are many legitimate use cases for (rainemak, 16:23:46) * this. (rainemak, 16:23:46) * (rainemak, 16:23:48) * Proposal: allow ELF executables in an app-private directory (rainemak, 16:23:49) * (e.g. /usr/libexec//), under the same conditions as (rainemak, 16:23:51) * the main binary (no setuid/setgid, no group/world-writable (rainemak, 16:23:53) * modes, dynamic libraries on the allow-list). (rainemak, 16:23:55) * (rainemak, 16:23:57) * More context: Harbour policy: allowing a bundled helper (rainemak, 16:23:59) * executable (re Piirit). (rainemak, 16:24:01) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33807 (rainemak, 16:24:03) * Open discussion on this. (rainemak, 16:24:05) * ACTION: Iron out bundled helper executable (https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-october-1-2026/33735/4) (rainemak, 16:33:43) * Touchscreen nearby taps detected as drag gesture (bug?) (5mins -- asked by nicov84) (Keto, 16:34:18) * As per BUG report by @HtheB, the touchscreen seems to detect (rainemak, 16:34:33) * subsequent, close distance taps as drags. This causes some (rainemak, 16:34:33) * apps (standard keyboard, futo keyboard) to misbehave. (rainemak, 16:34:33) * For the standard keyboard, this results in sudden layout (rainemak, 16:34:33) * changes. For futo, in problematic swiping and typos. (rainemak, 16:34:33) * Is this a hardware issue or can the sensitivity/behavior be (rainemak, 16:34:34) * tuned in software? (rainemak, 16:34:36) * Two near-simultaneous taps with different fingers are (rainemak, 16:34:38) * delivered as a single touch point dragging between them (rainemak, 16:34:40) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/33237 (rainemak, 16:34:44) * This is more like a bug report. Not much to discuss. (rainemak, 16:34:54) * Doubt that two different fingers are treated as a single touch (rainemak, 16:34:54) * point. Gesture it could probably trigger. Impossible to comment (rainemak, 16:34:54) * about a single use case / error. We'll note this to internal (rainemak, 16:34:55) * issue tracker. (rainemak, 16:34:56) * ACTION: Issue to be reported (rainemak, 16:37:42) * Visibility of spare parts for the Jolla Phone at commerce.jolla.com (5 mins -- asked by jojomen) (Keto, 16:41:23) * I didn’t find the spare parts in the new shop and assumed they (rainemak, 16:41:40) * were just not available yet. But then I stumbled upon this (rainemak, 16:41:40) * comment Are the Jolla phones not shipping to the USA? - #26 by (rainemak, 16:41:40) * makrolon, where it turns out they are just a bit hidden. (rainemak, 16:41:42) * (rainemak, 16:41:43) * Could we have all items visible by default in the online shop, (rainemak, 16:41:45) * please? Or, if that would be too cluttered, at least a clearly (rainemak, 16:41:47) * visible option to show the different categories/collections (rainemak, 16:41:49) * you have defined. (rainemak, 16:41:51) * (rainemak, 16:41:53) * more comments and suggestions: Are the Jolla phones not (rainemak, 16:41:56) * shipping to the USA? - #27 by teleshoes. (rainemak, 16:41:57) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/are-the-jolla-phones-not-shipping-to-the-usa/28756/26 (rainemak, 16:41:59) * LINK: https://commerce.jolla.com/collections/jolla-phone-accessories (rainemak, 16:42:01) * Know improvement topic. Noted. (rainemak, 16:42:03) * Jolla Store: Fix screenshot presentation (5 mins -- asked by muhnschein) (Keto, 16:43:30) * Jolla Store seems to crop screenshots submitted via (rainemak, 16:43:49) * Harbour. Without having measured them, these seem like the (rainemak, 16:43:49) * screen dimensions of the original Jolla Phone. Screenshots (rainemak, 16:43:49) * with other dimensions are cropped so that top and bottom (rainemak, 16:43:49) * are missing. (rainemak, 16:43:49) * (rainemak, 16:43:50) * While some work around this with letterboxing, this is (rainemak, 16:43:52) * evident in most of the apps recently added to the store: (rainemak, 16:43:54) * (rainemak, 16:43:56) * Sail Prompt (rainemak, 16:43:58) * Straps (rainemak, 16:44:00) * Cookbook (rainemak, 16:44:02) * Radar (Find my Device) (rainemak, 16:44:04) * BitSailor (rainemak, 16:44:06) * Meliona (rainemak, 16:44:08) * Frostlife (rainemak, 16:44:12) * Sailstream for Plex (rainemak, 16:44:14) * (rainemak, 16:44:16) * This is neither mentioned in the Harbour interface nor (rainemak, 16:44:18) * strictly necessary - and rather unfortunate for the (rainemak, 16:44:20) * developers. (rainemak, 16:44:22) * (rainemak, 16:44:24) * I’m kindly asking for this to be fixed and hope that this (rainemak, 16:44:26) * is the right place. (rainemak, 16:44:28) * Thank you for raising this one. We'll create an internal issue. (rainemak, 16:44:30) * Android App Support: PIN Code and Authentication Issues (10 mins -- asked by MikkoTenhunen) (Keto, 16:49:37) * Many Android applications that rely on secure (rainemak, 16:50:23) * authentication methods appear to have problems inside (rainemak, 16:50:23) * Sailfish OS Android App Support. I would like to know (rainemak, 16:50:23) * whether Jolla has made progress on fixing Android PIN (rainemak, 16:50:23) * code, biometric authentication, and secure credential (rainemak, 16:50:23) * storage related issues. (rainemak, 16:50:24) * (rainemak, 16:50:26) * In particular: (rainemak, 16:50:28) * - Do banking applications now support PIN code (rainemak, 16:50:30) * authentication correctly? (rainemak, 16:50:32) * - Do authenticator applications (2FA/TOTP apps) work (rainemak, 16:50:34) * reliably with device security features? (rainemak, 16:50:36) * - Are there known limitations in Android App Support (rainemak, 16:50:38) * regarding Android Keystore, biometric APIs, or PIN (rainemak, 16:50:40) * protected authentication? (rainemak, 16:50:44) * - Is there an estimated roadmap or planned improvements (rainemak, 16:50:46) * for banking and authentication apps? (rainemak, 16:50:48) * (rainemak, 16:50:50) * This information would help users understand the current (rainemak, 16:50:52) * status of Android application compatibility and security (rainemak, 16:50:54) * related functionality on Sailfish OS. (rainemak, 16:50:56) * We are looking into this. Too early to comment. Let's hope that (rainemak, 16:50:58) * we'd have some improvements integrated for Sailfish OS 5.3 (rainemak, 16:51:00) * release. (rainemak, 16:51:02) * Community Port - X10V and X10IV AAS update (5 mins -- asked by sharks) (Keto, 16:56:25) * jojomen, community (jojomen, 16:56:30) * Per the 03/09/26 community meeting, I’ve attempted reaching out (rainemak, 16:56:47) * a few times over the last month on #sailfishos on IRC to see if (rainemak, 16:56:47) * anyone from Jolla can let me know what is required of me to (rainemak, 16:56:47) * assist / accelerate AAS progress for the community port. (rainemak, 16:56:47) * (rainemak, 16:56:48) * Given I’ve not received any reply, I am reaching out again (rainemak, 16:56:49) * here. Are you able to give us any news? After all, the squeaky (rainemak, 16:56:51) * wheel gets the grease. (rainemak, 16:56:53) * We understand the desire for this. However, we haven't had (rainemak, 16:56:55) * chance to test this yet. For Xperia 10 IV and 10 V communinity (rainemak, 16:56:57) * ports we'd need AppSupport that is Android 15 based (simplest (rainemak, 16:56:59) * this way). Along with Sailfish OS 5.2 we should get AppSupport (rainemak, 16:57:01) * upgraded for Jolla C2 to Android 15 base. This should pawe the (rainemak, 16:57:03) * way towards getting AppSupport for 10IV and 10V community ports. (rainemak, 16:57:05) * Bear with us and give us a bit more time on this. (rainemak, 16:57:07) * Jolla Phone 2026 Wi-Fi hardware: 1x1 or 2x2 MIMO? (5 mins -- asked by MiPal75) (Keto, 17:03:18) * Could Jolla please confirm one specific hardware specification (rainemak, 17:03:41) * of the Jolla Phone 2026 WLAN subsystem: (rainemak, 17:03:42) * (rainemak, 17:03:42) * Is the Jolla Phone 2026 physically designed for 1x1 or 2x2 Wi-Fi MIMO? (rainemak, 17:03:43) * (rainemak, 17:03:45) * Several real-world tests indicate that the Jolla Phone 2026 (rainemak, 17:03:47) * currently operates using only one spatial stream. This has (rainemak, 17:03:49) * been reproduced by more than one user and with different (rainemak, 17:03:51) * access points. At the same time, iw phy phy0 info advertises (rainemak, 17:03:53) * HE MCS support for both NSS 1 and NSS 2. (rainemak, 17:03:55) * (rainemak, 17:03:57) * There is an existing forum discussion with measurements here: (rainemak, 17:03:59) * (rainemak, 17:04:01) * I have also asked Jolla Customer Care for clarification but (rainemak, 17:04:03) * have not received an answer. (rainemak, 17:04:05) * (rainemak, 17:04:07) * I am specifically not asking whether the current Wi-Fi (rainemak, 17:04:09) * connection happens to operate as 1x1. I would like to clarify (rainemak, 17:04:13) * the physical design of the phone: (rainemak, 17:04:15) * (rainemak, 17:04:17) * If the WLAN hardware/RF/antenna design is 1x1, then the (rainemak, 17:04:19) * observed behaviour is expected and the question is (rainemak, 17:04:21) * answered. (rainemak, 17:04:23) * (rainemak, 17:04:25) * If the phone is physically designed for 2x2, then the fact (rainemak, 17:04:27) * that multiple devices appear to operate as 1x1 may warrant (rainemak, 17:04:29) * investigation of the driver, firmware or configuration. (rainemak, 17:04:31) * (rainemak, 17:04:33) * A confirmation from the Jolla hardware team of “1x1” or “2x2” (rainemak, 17:04:35) * would therefore be sufficient. (rainemak, 17:04:37) * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-phone-2026-wi-fi-6-throughput-appears-limited-to-400-mbit-s-480-mbit-s-phy/32719 (rainemak, 17:04:39) * Jolla Phone 2026 has 1x1 MIMO (rainemak, 17:04:44) * LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMO (extechop[m], 17:09:01) * Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Keto, 17:10:24) * General discussion (10 mins) (Keto, 17:16:38) * Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Keto, 17:27:50) * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 15th October 2026 at 04:00pm UTC: 2026-10-15T1600Z (rainemak, 17:30:38) Meeting ended at 17:31:07 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Community task board * Jolla to update regarding recommended charging cables and chargers. * The Privacy Switch in relation to Ambiances * Jolla to create sailfish-settings-labs * Iron out bundled helper executable (https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-october-1-2026/33735/4) * Issue to be reported Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Community task board * Jolla to update regarding recommended charging cables and chargers. * The Privacy Switch in relation to Ambiances * Jolla to create sailfish-settings-labs * Iron out bundled helper executable (https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-october-1-2026/33735/4) * Issue to be reported People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rainemak (269) * abr (28) * jojomen (23) * Keto (20) * muhnschein (17) * nephros (14) * extechop[m] (11) * pherjung[m] (10) * MiPal75 (3) * sailbot (2) * Nico (2) * MikkoTenhunen[m] (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot