| rainemak | Good morning! | 07:54 |
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| ExTechOp | Good morning, everyone! | 07:56 |
| flypig | Good morning! | 07:59 |
| rainemak | Good morning ExTechOp and flypig ! | 07:59 |
| Thaodan | Moin :) | 07:59 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th March 2024 | 08:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 08:00:25 2024 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-28th-march-2024/18251 | 08:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 08:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th March 2024)" | 08:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today | 08:00 |
| Thaodan | #info Björn Bidar, sailor @ Jolla | 08:01 |
| nephros | #info Peter G., community, just lurking today | 08:02 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 08:02 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 08:03 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 08:04 |
| rainemak | No topic proposals for today's meeting. I'm expecting Easter somewhat affecting. We can keep this short. | 08:04 |
| rainemak | #info Welcome everybody | 08:05 |
| dcaliste | #info Damien Caliste, community | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 08:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th March 2024)" | 08:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? | 08:05 |
| rainemak | I'd just like to say that it was a great push from all to get https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/pull/22 in that direc85[m] raised last time. Thank you everybody involved! | 08:07 |
| flypig | Great work! | 08:07 |
| rainemak | flypig, hopefully helps you as well | 08:08 |
| flypig | That'd be great :) Practically speaking, when is this likely to make it into the SDK? | 08:08 |
| rubdos[m] | direc85 and me are very happe that it got it :) | 08:09 |
| rainemak | gecko patches were quite huge... but it looks good | 08:09 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, you're in talks with pvuorela regarding open PRs | 08:10 |
| dcaliste | Indeed, pvuorela will give a look to my PRs when he will have time. I'm afraid he's quite busy now ;) | 08:10 |
| pvuorela | dcaliste: finally getting there! | 08:11 |
| rainemak | great! thank you | 08:11 |
| dcaliste | Maybe after the 4.6 branching he will be more available, I guess. | 08:11 |
| rainemak | time is up | 08:11 |
| dcaliste | Hello pvuorela, don't worry, I know it's busy time at the moment. | 08:11 |
| rainemak | if something pops up we can continue on general discussion | 08:11 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (15 min) | 08:12 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (15 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th March 2024)" | 08:12 | |
| flypig | Are these the PRs listed in the "Communication bits" part of the last newsletter? https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-21st-march-2024-rust/18235#communication-bits-4 | 08:12 |
| flypig | (ofono, messagingframework, nemo-qml-plugin-email) | 08:12 |
| rainemak | what PRs? | 08:13 |
| flypig | The ones dcaliste and pvuorela are working on. Sorry, I'm just trying to follow along :) | 08:13 |
| flypig | The ofono one is closed, so I guess maybe the other two: | 08:14 |
| flypig | https://github.com/sailfishos/messagingframework/pull/16 | 08:14 |
| rainemak | flypig, would you like to say few words regarding esr91? Btw, it's so nice to read your blog. | 08:14 |
| dcaliste | flypig, I've opened PRs to bring decryption capability to the email application. And some others about adding filtered voicecall to the call history. | 08:14 |
| rainemak | flypig, anything that I could do? | 08:15 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak! I'll just say that I'm still stuck on WebView rendering. I've not yet exhausted all of the avenues to try to fix it and am currently applying the patch for the emulator that piggz and frajo worked. | 08:16 |
| dcaliste | I dropped the one in ofono and libqofono after discussing with Slava, and implemented the voice call filter in a separated package, ee https://github.com/dcaliste/sailfish-voicecall-filter | 08:16 |
| flypig | When I hit a dead end, I'll be coming to you for advice again rainemak! | 08:16 |
| ExTechOp | Jolla folks: any new SFOS hardware ports on the horizon that you are able to divulge? | 08:16 |
| dcaliste | flypig, about ESR91, it's great that you figured out the issue with code (and phone) seizure. Impressive job. | 08:17 |
| flypig | Thanks dcaliste :) It was a silly error that I missed. But nice to have it fixed. | 08:18 |
| flypig | I'd also like to advertise piggz's ofono blog, which is a great read. | 08:18 |
| flypig | https://www.piggz.co.uk/sites/pgz/blog/ | 08:18 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, not too much. | 08:18 |
| dcaliste | flypig, thanks for the blog. I'll read it. Looks interesting. | 08:19 |
| flypig | Thanks dcaliste for the summary of your nice PRs. Great to hear about the decryption. This is to complement your signing plugin? | 08:19 |
| rainemak | #info In addition to Flypig's blog Piggz's ofono blog is a great read | 08:19 |
| rainemak | #link https://www.flypig.co.uk/gecko | 08:19 |
| rainemak | #link https://www.piggz.co.uk/sites/pgz/blog/ | 08:19 |
| flypig | Thanks for the plug rainemak :) | 08:20 |
| dcaliste | Yes, I'm adding the decryption to the existing signing capability. | 08:20 |
| dcaliste | Next step is to add, encryption. And next next is to give a look to implement it with a sequoia backend. | 08:21 |
| flypig | Brilliant :D Can you please remind me what you're using for the backend currently? (gnupg?) | 08:21 |
| Thaodan | would sequoia not block yubikeys/smartcards? | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | Yes, it's GnuPG. Which is fine, as far as I know, but lagging too much behind in Sailifhsh OS for licence reasons. | 08:22 |
| rainemak | Hi piggz | 08:22 |
| rainemak | flypig, just advertised your great blog! :-) | 08:22 |
| flypig | :D | 08:23 |
| flypig | dcaliste, understood, thank you! | 08:23 |
| Thaodan | Another thing I noticed can be quit annoying is that the email client doesn't allow the embedding of emails into the email | 08:23 |
| dcaliste | Thaodan, I must admit my ignorance in that domain. The idea is just to see if the QMF plugin currently in GnuPG, can be redone in sequoia. It would prove the API of the QMF plugin is well designed enough to support different backend. | 08:23 |
| piggz[m] | haha, im not sure my blog is a good read, but thanks anyway :D | 08:23 |
| piggz[m] | btw, comments are back and i have quite some work to do :) | 08:23 |
| flypig | I don't see comments :( | 08:24 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: thanks for explaining. I wonder if more of that kinda of work could be shared with kontact given they also have a qt wrapper around gnupg | 08:24 |
| dcaliste | Thaodan, do you mean when creating a new email ? | 08:24 |
| piggz[m] | flypig: https://lore.kernel.org/ofono/c9c9aef1-be51-48c5-b3c0-63cdc906f834@gmail.com/T/#t | 08:25 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: that but also when someone else sends you an email forwarded as an attachment | 08:25 |
| nephros | On changes to the email app, I'm missing an interface to create an email with recipient, subject, body, *and* a list of attachments. | 08:26 |
| flypig | Ah, thanks piggz[m]! I misunderstood you, but now I understand (you've received comments from your upstream patches; great!). | 08:26 |
| dcaliste | Thaodan, I'm afraid KDE is not using QMF anymore, if they did at anytime. The GnuPG plugin in QMF is really thin anyway. Most of the job is to propagate the capability to the QML bindings in nemo-qml-plugin-email. And also adjust the UI. | 08:26 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: ok | 08:26 |
| nephros | currently, you can to recipient, subject etc via mailto: or DBus call, OR List of attachments via Sailfish.Share (but no recipient etc.) | 08:26 |
| dcaliste | About opening an email with an attached one, I thought it was implemented in the email application… I need to check. There are many places where you test if the attachment is of MIME rfc8821 (or whatever number I don't remember). | 08:27 |
| rainemak | Opening an email which contains an attached .eml is not quite that trivial | 08:28 |
| flypig | nephros, when you say "missing an interface" you mean a programmatic interface? Not the user interface? | 08:28 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: Anyway that's the kde interface to gnupg https://github.com/KDE/kgpg | 08:28 |
| rainemak | Do we need more time for general discussion? Sounds that we're not yet done. | 08:29 |
| nephros | flypig: yes. A Dbus call. | 08:29 |
| flypig | Got it; thanks nephros. That'd be a fun task to add. | 08:30 |
| rainemak | Extending general discussion by 10mins. Ending 40mins past. | 08:30 |
| nephros | I have sketched an idea here: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/enhance-sailfish-share-api-to-include-metadata-hints-for-the-receiving-application/13762 | 08:30 |
| flypig | Nice! | 08:31 |
| nephros | ... that is based on Share, not necessarily Email only. But an extension to the email app's dbus methods would suffice as well. | 08:31 |
| dcaliste | Very nice nephros, I'll give a look with great interest. | 08:33 |
| nephros | dcaliste: great! :) | 08:34 |
| dcaliste | Thank you Thaodan, I'll give a look. I've based the current QMF plugin implementation, mainly on claw-mail plugins. | 08:34 |
| nephros | dcaliste: I'm sure there are flaws in my sketch design, but the goal here was to minimize necessary changes in propriertary bits. | 08:35 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, there are things like https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/kernel/pull/2608 still in the Murray and Zambezi. | 08:36 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: I haven't had much experience with claw mail. My motivation comes from having working smartcard support in the email app for my yubikey | 08:36 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, that's from the "minor" side... whilst that for instance was rendering automatic display brightness update to void | 08:37 |
| dcaliste | Thaodan, sure, don't worry, I don't plan to drop GnuPG. Just to add another way (beside recompiling ourself a modern GnuPG) to get a modern version of PGP implementation. | 08:38 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: I found some minor issues in the packaging of the voice call filter will post a pr later. | 08:38 |
| dcaliste | Thaodan, great thanks a lot ! | 08:39 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak (Murray and Zambezi are 10IV and 10V) Thanks! | 08:39 |
| rainemak | yeap | 08:39 |
| rainemak | alright... let's schedule next meeting | 08:40 |
| Thaodan | dcaliste: np no worries. Personally I just don't like nih type of issues but that's another topic. | 08:40 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 08:40 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 11th April at 08:00am UTC | 08:40 |
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| dcaliste | nephros, I'll comment on the forum on your proposition. I've just given a very quick look, but will take time to read it in longer details. | 08:40 |
| flypig | Is it finally time for the clocks to change? | 08:41 |
| rainemak | yes, next weekend | 08:41 |
| flypig | So I think that usually means the meeting time changes too... am I misremembering? | 08:41 |
| nephros | dcaliste: Much appreciated. (And just because I have to: through XDG Portals, there is a standardized API for apps to use to create email.) | 08:41 |
| rainemak | How did we do last spring? Please remind me | 08:42 |
| ExTechOp | I think we had the meeting at a different UT time, so the local times were the same? | 08:42 |
| flypig | Yes, exactly, that's my recollection too. | 08:42 |
| rainemak | Same | 08:42 |
| rainemak | Would you like to adjust? | 08:43 |
| flypig | The clocks will go forwards by an hour. So that means the UTC time goes... back? To 7:00? | 08:43 |
| ExTechOp | This local time works4me, how about the others? | 08:43 |
| rainemak | Correct | 08:43 |
| rainemak | flypig, Correct | 08:43 |
| rainemak | UTC 8am , HKI 11 am, UK 9am | 08:43 |
| flypig | Thinking about this hurts my brain :( | 08:44 |
| rainemak | but we can go to UTC 7am | 08:44 |
| dcaliste | I agree with flypig, it should be UTC 7am, I think. | 08:44 |
| rainemak | Both goes for me... Pondering would it help if central Europe if this would be one later | 08:45 |
| dcaliste | In france we will become UTC+2, so to keep it at 9am (while we are UTC+1 now), it should switch from UTC8am to UTC 7am. If I'm not mistaken. | 08:45 |
| rainemak | ....Whether it would help | 08:46 |
| rainemak | I'm open to adjust given that it's not 6am UTC | 08:47 |
| flypig | I personally prefer to stick to the same local time. But think it should be whatever works best for the Jolla team. | 08:48 |
| rainemak | Let's go with 07:00am UTC | 08:48 |
| rainemak | I was more thinking central Europe and early wake ups | 08:48 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th April 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-04-11T0700Z | 08:48 |
| rainemak | I wish happy Easter for everybody! Thank you all! | 08:48 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everyone, once again! | 08:48 |
| flypig | Thank you all! Happy Easter! | 08:49 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:49 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 08:49:39 2024 UTC. | 08:49 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-03-28-08.00.html | 08:49 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-03-28-08.00.txt | 08:49 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-03-28-08.00.log.html | 08:49 |
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| flypig | A chocolate and Sailfish weekend ahead :) | 08:49 |
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| dcaliste | Thank you very much everyone for these interesting exchanges. | 08:52 |
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