Wednesday, 2017-05-31

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saidinesh5bah.. now i am wondering between Lenovo P2 vs. Redmi Note 4.. NFC vs. IR blaster... Amoled vs. 64GB storage...01:32
saidinesh5gorilla glass too...01:32
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saidinesh5Amoled display => always on screen.. so tempting01:33
saidinesh5but IR blaster...01:34
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saidinesh5okay .. unlocking the bootloader voids the warrranty in Lenovo P2?01:56
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saidinesh5there's also the snapdragon 820 lenovo Z2 plus.. ooay now i am confusing myself..02:19
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saidinesh5hey _jester_04:21
saidinesh5finally released the 2.1 build yesterday..04:22
saidinesh5you may get an OTA ..04:22
_jester_saidinesh5: hey. had to sleep early yesterday. business meeting04:22
saidinesh5Ah .. no issues04:22
_jester_oh sweet04:23
_jester_let me go check04:23
_jester_no updates as yet04:24
saidinesh5Ah .. you're already on 2.1 right?04:24
_jester_no, its
_jester_but this one was never uploaded04:34
saidinesh5Ah .. nah.. i gave you a -devel rom iirc04:39
saidinesh5devel rom = what we test things out internally...  has telnet enabled by default iirc.04:39
saidinesh5once the packages in devel are fine, we move them to testing repos.. and that's' what goes out to everyone else04:39
_jester_oh ok, so how different is the release?04:40
_jester_and how do i update?04:41
saidinesh5zypper ref should do?04:41
saidinesh5and the only diffference is the default repos.. your repos are pointed to the devel repos on OBS.. to which changes are pushed directly04:41
saidinesh5plus telnet is enabled by default..04:41
_jester_great, so im already all good to go.04:42
_jester_id check around the system and get acquainted.04:43
_jester_btw, i did install the build environment and would be bugging you about that as well04:44
saidinesh5check out the hadk pdf04:44
_jester_for some odd reason dns resolution wasnt working in chroot04:44
saidinesh5the build environment is basically scripts from that04:44
saidinesh5you have to manually add the /etc/resolv.conf file iirc04:44
saidinesh5depends on distros i think04:44
_jester_so i added entries in the host file04:44
_jester_or thatd work too04:45
_jester_im on mint, ubuntu derivative04:45
saidinesh5nameserver in resolv.conf should do usually04:45
_jester_they just replaced bash with dash04:46
saidinesh5didnt know..04:46
saidinesh5your base distro mostly wont matter04:46
saidinesh5that's why you're setting up 2 chroots .. to build things for sailfish04:46
_jester_oh, so it would also work well when i start writing or contributing code. sweet. maybe i should start a blog.04:47
saidinesh5Sure.. or once you start contributing enough, you can edit things in the Mer wiki04:48
* saidinesh5 is torn between Lenovo P2 vs. Redmi Note 4. the more reviews i read the more confused i am04:49
_jester_are they the same price range?04:50
saidinesh5its basically:  NFC + Amoled display + 5100mAh + gorilla glass 3 vs. IR blaster + 64GB storage04:51
_jester_im new to xiaomi, but lenovo usually has a better build quality04:51
saidinesh5the one downside maybe that unlockign the bootloader on lenovo might void warranty..04:52
_jester_the mi4 doesnt feel cheap either04:53
saidinesh5mi4 is a flagship phone actually04:53
saidinesh5my current device is Mi3..04:53
_jester_oh sweet04:53
_jester_i can see why youre confused then. how about you set an alert for olx and check whose price drops the fastest. go for that one04:54
saidinesh5oh i plan to buy the device today..04:55
saidinesh5tat's why..04:55
saidinesh5need to make the decision by 12:0004:55
saidinesh5there''s a flash sale then for redmi note 404:55
saidinesh5during which i will probably have a 3-4 minute window to purchase it. if i am lucky04:55
saidinesh5Lenovo P2 is available without that.. and with a discount too today. but costs ~ 1000 more than redmi note 404:56
_jester_well, best of luck with that then04:56
saidinesh5the bigger storage doesn't bother me thaat much as i can use an sdcard04:57
saidinesh5heh thanks04:57
tbroled is nice. I really like that on my Galaxy Nexus and the N904:57
saidinesh5tbr: yup. that;s what tempts me about P2.. possibility of an always on display like N904:58
saidinesh5if the whole "unlock the bootloader to void warranty" didnt scare me.. I'd have directly purchased P204:58
saidinesh5the funny thing is P2 can also act as a power bank lol04:58
tbrusb-C I guess? That's USB-PD04:59
saidinesh5nah just micro usb .. but this phone has that mode04:59
saidinesh5iirc at this price range the only phone with usb C was that Le Max2 .. but not going for that.. no headphone jack the company seems to be in troubles...05:00
saidinesh5it does have snapdragon 821 though05:00
tbrah, ok05:01
saidinesh5redmi note has a massive developer community i think05:02
saidinesh5or userbase..  1,94,989 Ratings ..05:03
saidinesh5vs. p2 @ 8,695 Ratings05:03
tbrthe kenzo/kate port of LineageOS is decent, certainly better than the stock software05:07
saidinesh5kenzo is Redmi Note 3 right?05:08
saidinesh5yeah .. that's an official port .. supported by Lineage guys05:08
tbrkate is the "international" version05:09
tbrit only became that recently though05:09
saidinesh5yeah.. they're very lousy in releeasing kernel sources on time.. my device got kernel sources after Mi4 got released..05:09
saidinesh5redmi note 4 got it's sources < a month ago too05:09
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saidinesh5at this point, redmi note 4 only seems to do well in the non technical bits.. like massive userbase => lot more people to test out the port .. if i make one05:13
saidinesh5+ rooting wont void warranty..05:13
saidinesh5otherwise P2 seems to do well in every other way... kickass display+even better battery..05:14
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_jester_then its a clear choice, the P2. you would enjoy working on it more05:22
_jester_and people would still try it out cause youd work would reflect your enthusiasm.05:23
_jester_the battery is too sweet to pass it up btw. sailfish on that mammoth battery would last for days05:24
saidinesh5heh almost leaning towards P2. the sale starts in 1 hour..05:26
_jester_and maybe that would highlight the port. by then we would also have anbox working, hopefully and it becomes a value wedge fir sailfishos05:26
saidinesh5yeah.. having a second device would definitely sweeeten things up for me05:27
_jester_ive given my two cents05:27
_jester_thats the first thing i noticed. the battery time is better with sfos. if the P2 runs for 2 days, maybe sailfish can max it out to 2.5 or 305:28
saidinesh5heh with sailfish .. the best thing would be the always on display like the Nokia N905:29
_jester_thatd actually be pretty sweet too. i also noticed the mi4 has an infrared transmitter, like the lg g3. but there arnt any apps for it yet. do you think an lirc port might do the trick?05:31
saidinesh5i dont think lirc would do directly05:34
saidinesh5you have to add an lirc driver(?) for libhybris05:34
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_jester_and also, someone needs to come up with a video chat app. my girlfriend is pissed that my primary phone has none of those.05:34
saidinesh5there's a tox on sailfish .. not sure if it supports video chat though05:35
_jester_id look that up, thanks05:35
saidinesh5as for the IR blaster, i actually was asking around for help.05:36
saidinesh5i cant write it myself as it isnt available on my Mi3 (one more reason to go for RedMi Note 4 btw.)05:36
saidinesh5so i just collected the info related to that05:36
saidinesh5and made  a little stub05:36
saidinesh5the bigger challenge for IR seems to be collecting all the IR codes.. and make sure it works with the android consumerir backend05:37
_jester_i could look into that05:37
saidinesh5let me know when you start.. I will push the code related to that to github05:38
_jester_oh, im returning to developmebt after a decade, so bear with me. A lot to take in at the moment.05:40
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saidinesh5_jester_: guess which one I ordered06:42
saidinesh5ordered a phone btw.06:43
_jester_the p2!?06:43
saidinesh5i figured - i can always add an IR blaster using that earphone jack + i can expand the memory using an SDcard06:44
saidinesh5but i cant add a stronger glass/fancier display/bigger battery06:44
_jester_sweet, id keep an eye out for one too. id get to learn more about porting and help around a little.06:44
saidinesh5and in the worst case , I can use this phone as a power bank06:44
saidinesh5btw. Redmi Note got sold out lol06:44
saidinesh5within around 4 minutes06:44
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saidinesh5i had my Redmi note in the cart but tossed a coin and decided to go with the P206:45
_jester_well, ive got the mi4 so i am certainly going to look it up.06:45
saidinesh5All Redmi note models got sold out:,4io&otracker=product_breadCrumbs_Mi+Mobiles06:45
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_jester_you guys are even more phone crazy than us pakis06:46
saidinesh5lol.. billion people.. but i must admit though. the completely black Redmi Note 4 64GB version looked quite nice06:46
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_jester_i think theres a seller here as well but im sure the p2 is gonna drop in price soon too06:47
saidinesh5actually  i think today's the last day for P2's discounted price06:48
_jester_the mi4 seems a bit big for one handed operations. are both their screens the same size?06:48
saidinesh5otherwise it is around 17-18k06:48
saidinesh5today ..14k06:48
saidinesh5i think P2 is a little bigger?06:48
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_jester_i wonder why they dont make small sets. they just feel so much better as a phone06:50
saidinesh5yeah .. honestly..06:50
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saidinesh5these phones dont even fit in the pocket properly06:51
_jester_and no, not the joke phones. the minis06:51
_jester_a high end/ spec 4 - 4.5 inch screen phone open to modding06:51
_jester_i think there was the samsung mini and then some other company had a compact. htc i think06:52
_jester_whih are just smaller cause they are cheaper06:52
saidinesh5how big is the MI5?06:53
saidinesh55.15inch ahh06:53
saidinesh5the yotaphone was < 5" iirc06:54
_jester_something bigger than the n9 but smaller than the mi406:55
saidinesh5when i bought the Mi3 i actually thought it was closer to the N9.. was wrong by so much..06:57
saidinesh5N9's size was quite good actually06:57
_jester_yea but a biger screen means two handed typing in landscape mode and more screen space for the app when the keyboard opens up. so perhaps a tad bigger would be spot on for me06:59
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Nokius_saidinesh5: \o/07:04
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Nokiussaidinesh5: and u got the Redmi?07:04
saidinesh5Nokius: nah..lenovo P2. decided that if it sucks, i can at least use it as a power bank07:05
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saidinesh5and in the best case, i can have an always on screen like the Nokia N9.. (it has an Amoled screen) + 5100mAh battery07:05
saidinesh5downsides : community not as big as redmi note 4. 32GB storage. doesn't have an IR blaster07:06
Nokiussaidinesh5: it's the zuk or?07:07
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saidinesh5Nah .. P2. Zuk is also at the same cost though. Even with 82007:08
saidinesh5Zuk z2 i think07:08
saidinesh5Similar cost.. More powerful processor but half as powerful battery and has heating problems..07:08
saidinesh5Plus I've not really maxed out the snapdragon 800.. So i don't think i would max out 82007:09
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saidinesh5Nokius: review of P2: .. got it for similar price though.07:13
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sledgesPSA: Sailfish OS community #mer-meeting <- join this channel in 13mins to participate!07:47
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r0kk3rzahoy sledges07:52
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sledgesahey r0kk3rz!08:01
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Mister_Magistermorning everybody08:42
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NeoChapay live ?12:38
malfails for me12:38
bshahgithub is down12:39
DylanVanAsscheTeindeed Github is down12:39
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r0kk3rzeveryone panic12:44
bshahgithub down, telegram web down.. day is indeed bad12:45
magullo@saidinesh5 thanks for your work on Mi3/Mi4. Yesterday I upgraded with devel-su, now I am performing a full install12:45
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DylanVanAsscheTeSeems that Github is back :)12:59
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saidinesh5magullo: Great! let me know how it is/any issues..13:09
saidinesh5magullo: which device are you on?13:09
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magullo@saidinesh5 Mi4 WCDMA13:46
saidinesh5magullo: Ahh .. great. so you don't have any bootloops on it right?13:46
magullo@saidinesh5 I saw your requests on XDA13:46
magulloNone since my first install on 2.013:47
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saidinesh5Ahh magullo does any of the request interest you?13:49
saidinesh5hint hint .. the ir blaster .. lol13:49
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magullo@saidinesh5 I am not very good at C++/QML, even if I am also trying an app port (passwordstore) to sfos starting from a QT5 project13:50
magullo@saidinesh5 Tell me how I can I help, maybe I could try13:50
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Keij0Can we use bluedroid as a bluetooth stack?13:53
saidinesh5well.. its basically about the IR blaster.. can't really work on it myself as my device doesn't have the feature13:53
saidinesh5so need to find out a way for me/others to be able to develop for it13:54
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magullo@saidinesh5 my skills as a developer are not that good I believe13:54
magullo@saidinesh5 BTW, uprading didn't install Poor Maps, nice addition!13:57
saidinesh5Ah of course.. it is added at the build time13:58
saidinesh5i am thinking how best you can help..13:59
saidinesh5magullo: you could research some source for IR codes for various devices..13:59
saidinesh5lirc maybe a good start13:59
r0kk3rzmagullo: why not use ownKeepass14:00
Mister_Magistermal: ping14:01
magullo@r0kk3rz missing git synchronization between devices14:02
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magullo@r0kk3rz pass integrates git so it's easy to push and pull with hooks14:03
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malMister_Magister: pong14:04
Mister_Magistermal: do you have time now to help me with bluetooth? android don't have hci_smd nor hci_uart14:04
magullo@r0kk3rz and its basic form is a wrapper for gnupg, so extremely portable14:04
Mister_Magisterdunno how he is doing it i'm not  good in android world14:04
malMister_Magister: not right now14:04
Mister_Magistermal: maybe little hint where to look?14:05
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Mister_Magister_mal: are you there?16:13
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miauMister_Magister: Which device is it with the bluetooth problem?16:49
Mister_Magistermiau: Moto x play16:49
Mister_Magisterthe funny (and maybe stupid) part. I have just copied hci_smd from my kernel (moto g 2014) and bt is working :D16:50
Mister_Magisterbut has some problems16:50
miauMister_Magister: :-D16:50
Mister_Magisterthat was stupid idea but it's working :D16:50
miauMister_Magister: Does it come with hciattach?16:50
Mister_Magistermiau: what do you mean16:51
Mister_Magisterreciving files works, sending nah audio nah16:51
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miauMister_Magister: Nexus5 for example uses /usr/sbin/hciattach for bluetooth init.16:51
Mister_Magistermiau: nope i don't have it16:54
Mister_Magisteri have only /system/bin/hci_qcomm_init16:54
Mister_Magisterbut i have script which mimics hciattach16:55
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miauMister_Magister: Why don't you use the guide in the FAQ?16:58
Mister_Magistermiau: wait, what are you talking about16:58
miauMister_Magister: line 56416:59
Mister_Magisterokay you totaly don't have ide what i am talking about17:00
miauMister_Magister: Why?17:01
Mister_Magistermiau: i just said i did it "the funny (and maybe stupid) part. I have just copied hci_smd from my kernel (moto g 2014) and bt is working :D"17:01
Mister_Magisteri didn't know it's proper way17:01
Mister_Magisteri'm genius :D17:01
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malMister_Magister: I remember someone also copying hci_smd to their kernel17:02
Mister_Magistermal: i jjust thought "yolo let's try this" didn't know this is proper way17:03
Mister_Magisterwe have to fix it anyway17:03
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miauMister_Magister: Ah, now i see.17:05
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malfinally, improvement for the droid vibrator is coming
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malwith that calls can be noticed, but some strangeness still17:14
Mister_Magistermal: you mean vibrations will be stronger?17:16
maljusa__: hi, about the droid vibrator PR you made, some odd things, after usb connection there is s quite strong vibration 4 times17:16
malMister_Magister: yes, and repeating17:16
Mister_Magistermal: yay!17:16
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Mister_Magisteri've never noticed that i got message :/17:16
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maljusa__: same for incoming messages, not sure why 4 times, maybe some configuration issue17:20
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Mister_Magistermiau: than's for that anyway i haven'17:29
Mister_Magisterhaven't noticed this line. i little fixed my fix using that fix and now upload is working17:29
miauMister_Magister: No problem :-)17:30
Mister_Magistermiau: audio now works too \o/17:31
malMister_Magister: what did you change?17:31
Mister_Magistermal: when i moved hci_smd.c from my kernel it was including #include <mach/msm_smd.h> which was missing so i added it and 2 other files. Fix from link uses already existing file insted of #include <mach/msm_smd.h> that17:33
Mister_Magisternow i need jusa__ i mean god of audio :D17:36
malyou just said audio works17:37
sledgesmal: changing ngfd/events.d/* line "haptic.type = alarm" or = touch set to strong/message/short; that is now being polished and will land in 2.1.2, but you could smoketest17:37
malsledges: ah, ok17:37
Mister_Magistersledges: oh hello there!17:40
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Nokiussledges: \o17:55
malsledges: after modifying events files vibrations are much better17:57
malsledges: too bad the configuration package is not open, I would have liked to have the better vibrator in next fp2 release17:59
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sledgesMister_Magister: Nokius: o/18:03
sledgesmal: droid-configs-fp2/sparse? ;)18:03
Mister_Magistersledges: mal: first time fixed something totaly on my own. I'm proud :D18:03
Mister_Magistersledges: long time no see :D If jolla accept my appliation we will work on the same place :D18:04
sledgesfollow your dream!18:05
malsledges: that is of course an option18:05
SamTelegram[m]I'd love to work in a place like Jolla, hopefully I can get my bachelor thesis out soon18:05
Mister_MagisterWell jolla didn't repiled in 2 weeks so maybe they don't like me18:08
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sledgesmust be the fierce competition18:11
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malsledges: yep, I do know how to do it, just was wondering whether to do it or not18:13
sledgescool, just a reminder in case someone ran into conflicts18:20
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VilleMasterofthewow sam; this is a IRC bridge to the porters channel on freenode?18:24
VilleMasteroftheAltho my bnc should be in here already then18:24
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piggz_sledges: can I get a :testing repo for ota?18:39
sledgespiggz_: sure18:39
Mister_Magisterpiggz_: hello btw an you give me link to that commit with disabling wrong mount srvices?18:39
piggz_Mister_Magister: sure18:40
sledgespiggz_: vendor:device ?18:41
piggz_motorola:falcon ;)18:41
sledgespiggz_: done18:42
piggz_i s'pose I should try and ensure it is more stable than the devel repo ... tho i can imagine them differing much18:44
Mister_Magistersledges: Jolla 1 have 1GB ram and 600MB zram. do it even make sense?18:46
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* sledges shrugs18:47
Mister_Magistersledges: lol :D there is only 200MB normal ram…18:47
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Mister_Magistersledges: btw can you make devel repo for Moto x play? motorola lux18:54
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_jester_im getting an xperia z3 for $140. thoughts saidinesh5 ?19:47
* saidinesh5 googles19:47
saidinesh5pass _jester_19:47
saidinesh5you already have a cancro which is more or less the samething19:48
_jester_a p2 it is then19:48
saidinesh5or redmi note 4?19:48
saidinesh5that will have a lot lot lot more developers working on it19:48
saidinesh5that's the only reason i am not fully convinced about my p2 choice19:49
_jester_although im leaning more towards spending that time working on audio/video chat app19:49
saidinesh5that makes much more sense19:49
saidinesh5oh .. interesting19:49
saidinesh5P2 is 1000Rs. costlier19:50
_jester_thats a huge gap. or are we focusing on anbox as a way out on that?19:50
saidinesh5its 15k now.. was 14k when i bought it19:50
saidinesh5well .. i definitely want anbox up and running19:50
_jester_do you think it would support video chat right off the bat?19:51
saidinesh5lol no19:51
saidinesh5need to write support for camera for one..19:51
saidinesh5_jester_:  maybe your closest bet..19:52
saidinesh5for video calls19:52
saidinesh5the Qt tox library already supports audio / video... so it is just a matter of supporting it on sailfish19:52
_jester_dayum, native apps are so much better and java is just wrong. plain wrong19:53
_jester_thats a good direction to check for sure. the tox client might do so in the near future.19:53
r0kk3rzi wonder what the oulumo thing is using for video chat19:54
_jester_thats what i installed this morning. it would have audio/video chat soon.19:55
saidinesh5Ah didnt know there was an app19:55
_jester_r0kk3rz: whats oulumo ? does it work on sailfish? and does it support video chat?19:57
r0kk3rz_jester_: its a device that runs sailfish19:58
r0kk3rzbut it does video calling19:59
_jester_oh, yea thats one feature really holding it back. that and a good office suite19:59
_jester_but since the main conversations component doesnt support multi user chats, everything would be a tad more elaborate in terms of effort. maybe i should bring that up in the mer meeting20:01
r0kk3rzwe have a number of times20:01
r0kk3rzits not a priority20:02
r0kk3rzi expect they will open up the ui before doing it20:02
_jester_it would make writing all of these clients so much easier if that was updated20:03
_jester_hmmm, perhaps.20:03
_jester_they would need to add comonents like audio/video messages for it as well. they would certainly benefit from opening it up for contributions20:04
_jester_cant someone write an alternative that could replace the default one? perhaps as a patch?20:05
r0kk3rzyou can replace it wholesale20:06
saidinesh5aka nemomobile?20:06
r0kk3rzits mostly a telepathy frontend  anyway20:06
_jester_so essentially a port of lets say pidgin would work as well. but only add more funtionality20:08
Nokiusr0kk3rz: thanks for the hint looks intresting20:08
eekkelundCommunication topic: Only secure way to communicate with sfos device or any mobile device is to use SCS :)20:08
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saidinesh5piggz_: went with the P2 btw. So you can port to Redmi Note 4 :)20:38
piggz_saidinesh5: P2?20:38
saidinesh5Lenovo P2. similar chipset as redmi note 4.. but amoled screen..20:38
piggz_saidinesh5: cool .. i may order at the weekend20:38
saidinesh5and 5100mAh battery20:38
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piggz_saidinesh5: happy porting20:39
saidinesh5heh you too20:39
saidinesh5will probably start porting in a month or so though20:39
saidinesh5unlocking bootloader takes 14 days.. and may void warranty20:39
saidinesh5so will first use up the 10 days return thing to make sure it works fine.. and then unlock the bootloader..20:40
saidinesh5even redmi note 4 unlocking seems to take a while though20:40
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Mister_Magistersaidinesh5: did you boiught that phone?21:11
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RicardoTelegram[In openrepos there are applications in .deb format or they could be installed on sailfish22:11
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aa13qRicardo: there is Warehouse for Sailfish
aa13qand sfos app tagged with sailfish_app category
aa13qbut I guess it's not the question for the porters group)23:02
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