08:00:06 #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 14th January 2021 08:00:06 Meeting started Thu Jan 14 08:00:06 2021 UTC. The chair is sledges. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 08:00:12 #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: 08:00:17 #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-14th-jan-2021/4030 08:00:24 I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please behave, and respect engine timing. 08:00:28 #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info 08:01:18 * sledges pokes sailbot_ with a stick 08:02:18 #info Simonas Leleiva - privateer for Jolla 08:02:22 #info Ville Nummela - Sailor@Jolla 08:03:02 #info Lukas Karas - community member, developer 08:03:16 #info Andrew Branson - Jolla 08:03:45 #info fridlmue - Community 08:06:13 #topic Silica control: ExpandingSection (10 min -- asked by fridlmue) 08:06:23 #info ExpandingSection is in the "ComponentGallery" but not in the Documentation. In the last meeting it was mentioned it would not be part of the API yet. 08:06:33 #info I use it in an App and would love to leave it like that as it is a nice control. But the Animation is nicer in the ComponentGallery than in my app and I don't find no documentation for that. 08:06:46 #info Is it planed to add it to the API and provide Documentation? Is my App now "illegally" in the Harbor? ;p (And how to influence the Animation to make it nicer?) 08:07:20 #info  Long version: 08:07:22 #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/expandingsection-in-silica-documentation/3994 08:07:39 #info ExpandingSection is not documented, but allowed component that is part of public API. The transition issues you are describing sound like a bug, could you link example code to the forum discussion so we can check? 08:08:16 Sure, I can do that! I would assume wrong usage at the moment ;-) 08:08:45 Can I help with providing documentation when fully understood the component? 08:09:26 #info David Llewellyn-Jones - sailor@jolla&late 08:10:50 documentation help is definitely appreciated :) 08:11:43 The documentation source files aren't public, I think. 08:11:54 not sure there is any 08:12:06 overall ExpandingSection has limited uses, inside platform we have only used it to implement few dual SIM settings 08:12:19 Yup, we should think about the processes who the community members could help us with the documentation 08:12:46 This doesn't apply only to ExpandingSection but our documentation in general 08:12:48 jpetrell: If documented for sure it would be used more often ;-) 08:13:01 I guess it's best to receive any documentation in qdoc format. 08:13:04 often when user opens a particular page you want to show all the information in full, and allow scrolling through all the content without requiring taps in between to open sections 08:13:20 but sure expanding sections has its uses, if you have repetitive content under many sections 08:14:39 the expanding animation can be a bit obtrusive with sections resizing and headers moving to left and right simultaneously 08:17:55 Ok, I think from my side we are done here. Summary: 1) We can use it 2) No official docs, help welcome (no defined way at the moment) 3) animations can be tricky with this component 08:18:17 4) I can ask for help with the specific issue on the forums. 08:18:22 thanks 08:18:38 Nice summary :) 08:19:34 #info No official docs, help welcome (no defined way at the moment, format most probably qdoc) 08:20:51 jpetrell: are you ok with following that forum thread for bug reports etc, or should we stick to these meetings for info exchange? 08:22:19 ah, you already mentioned "could you link example code to the forum discussion so we can check" 08:22:41 if any aspects in the forum thread still get unanswered, please raise them in these meetings 08:22:54 let's move on 08:22:56 #topic OpenSSL 1.0 deprecation (10 min -- asked by Thaodan) 08:22:56 Ok, I'll do! 08:23:11 #info What are the plans for the deprecation of OpenSSL 1.0 and moving forward with later OpenSSL versions. 08:23:27 #info In the upcoming Sailfish OS version we have updated OpenSSL to the latest stable version 1.1.1. 08:23:33 #link https://git.sailfishos.org/mer-core/openssl/merge_requests?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=merged 08:25:22 in fact Thaodan was the one who updated as you can see:) 08:25:35 he probably wanted to raise this topic because community kept asking:) 08:26:05 He wanted to raise the topic as a heads up so that the community members are aware of what's happening :) 08:26:26 sledges: So we know, keeping asking helps ;-P 08:27:18 What will happen to apps in harbour that are now incompatible? 08:27:34 flypig: They will keep on working 08:27:43 at least for the time being 08:28:17 the validator will display a warning if you try to use openssl 1.0 in new packages 08:28:21 I thought it wasn't backwards binary (or source) compatible. 08:29:08 the way i read the question the answer seems to be what Vige answered. 08:29:21 "They will keep on working": that's good :) 08:29:39 ie for how long they will continue to work etc 08:30:46 ApBBB: It has not been decided when we will remove the old libraries, but it will happen eventually 08:32:47 #info Harbour apps using 1.0 will continue working for the time being 08:34:56 naturally, the 1.1.1 libraries to harbour rules are also (being) added 08:35:48 let's move on from this topic (and 1.0 eventually:) 08:35:52 #topic General Discussion (30 min) 08:35:56 Here's hoping that everyone had a good holiday break given the world's state!.. 08:36:17 its no fun when you have to stay in :/ 08:36:35 BTW are we getting a 3.5 release or the next release is 4.0? 08:36:38 snow fun? ;) 08:36:50 Groan! 08:37:09 flypig: that was a legitimate question though :P 08:37:12 i have to get to the mountains to find snow around my part of the world. and i cant. (lockdown etc) 08:37:41 we're still allowed to go outside for recreation 08:37:52 The snow in Finland looks wonderful! 08:38:59 sledges traveling is not allowed between prefectures so i cant reach it. and the ski resorts are closed. :/ 08:39:40 have you had any discussions about new apis??? after the poll etc? 08:40:46 no snow here either (would have to travel thousand miles to reach one), so have to work with what we've got :( "no snow jogging" etc. But the frosty "Beast from the East" is approaching they say 08:40:57 ViGe: how did that poll go? ^^ 08:41:29 What's Jolla's unique App Support tech for Linux? I know you can't tell me, but i still want ask :) 08:41:50 sledges: It went really well, we got 76 answers! 08:42:22 birdzhang[m]1 i don't think there is anything special. after all its just linux 08:42:35 Vige any discussions about the apis? 08:43:15 ApBBB: If you mean Jolla internal discussions, those happen all the time :) 08:43:34 ok. 08:43:41 ApBBB: I don't thinks so, maybe it means GUI apps 08:44:09 Vige now we need the actual apis :P 08:46:12 #info API poll went really well with 76 answers 08:46:18 #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/what-apis-are-missing-from-harbour/4017 08:46:44 #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/api-priority-poll-take-ii/4159 08:46:56 ApBBB: Yeah, that's the hard part... but we'll get there! 08:47:36 what pleases me is that the location one that is high on the list is just a switch. and i hope that you will turn it on. 08:48:13 on the subject of push notifications. wasn;t there an effort back in the early days of sfos for something like that?? 08:48:30 I think some of the results were a little surprising (to me, at least). Push notifications being one of them. 08:48:32 by the community i think but cant remember much. 08:50:13 Sledges, you may need to amend your info line above. There are 78 answers now ;) 08:50:16 is nice we could update qtlocation and qtpositioning recently as they are not governed by licence change 08:50:31 flypig: logs have timestamps ;) 08:50:32 ApBBB: Well, QtPositioning upgrade is already coming in the next release. I'm afraid QtLocation might have to wait a bit longer. But it's definitely on our todo list. 08:51:20 ViGe: i hope we're talking about the same thing:) https://git.sailfishos.org/mer-core/qtlocation/merge_requests/18 08:51:38 flypig: push notifications was surprising to me as well, as I don't recall anyone being vocal about it! 08:51:39 Push notif wouldn't be as popular if background services were allowed 08:51:53 with QtLocation, is there any decision for plugin implementation? If I undertand it correctly, it is just api specification that may have various implementations... 08:52:08 abranson, that's a good point. Hadn't thought of that. 08:52:47 if you take away that need, they're only used for spamming ;) 08:52:48 sledges: even if QtLocation was upgraded, it's not allowed in Harbour (yet) :/ 08:52:48 vige my mistake. position is the easy one. not the location one. as you explained in the forum 08:52:56 ViGe: ok, upgrade vs api, got it 08:55:33 karry: I presume qtlocation "update" is on the level of qt 5.6 08:56:15 not sure if it includes update in plugins 08:56:43 (but I haven't looked into these old specs) 08:56:46 i hope that for 4.0 we will see a QT update 08:57:30 if it cant be updated (for lisencing reasons or whatever) it might even make more sense to move to another toolkit :P 08:58:17 ApBBB today brings up the elephants in the room, haha 08:58:34 rinigus: the qtlocation and qtpositioning were upgraded to 5.4. 08:59:35 ... just looked up on when it was released - 10 Dec 2014 :) . 09:01:26 fridl sfos needs to move forward 09:01:41 so many things are held behind by the old Qt 09:04:06 and on that bombshell it's time to end (the topic) 09:04:11 #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min) 09:04:17 Proposing 11th February at 8am UTC 09:04:22 4 weeks from now, you might guess why ;) 09:06:30 why ? 09:06:42 despite dropping 4.x 09:06:51 -ETOOBUSY 09:08:20 dr_gogeta86: "despite dropping 4.x" that's pure speculation 09:08:42 I will wait so 09:09:16 btw, expect one more "last l10n round extension" soon (within days), be curious, and you'll know what release is what version:) 09:09:22 #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th February 2021 at 8:00am UTC: 2021-02-11T08Z 09:09:26 since no objections 09:09:46 thanks all! 09:09:48 #endmeeting