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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th April 2022
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Meeting started by flypig at 07:00:41 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-04-28-07.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (flypig, 07:00:48)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-28th-april-2022/11173
  (flypig, 07:00:53)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (flypig, 07:01:15)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 07:01:23)
  * pherjung, community  (pherjung, 07:01:30)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones, sailor @ jolla  (flypig, 07:02:26)
  * Sebix, community  (sebix[m], 07:03:04)
  * Simonas Leleiva, privateer  (sledges, 07:03:05)
  * Andrew Branson, slightly in hospital  (abr, 07:05:07)
  * Frajo Haider, developer at jolla  (krnlyng, 07:06:47)
  * thigg, comunity dev, lurking  (thilo[m], 07:07:25)

* Poll users for Sailfish OS upgrade experience (10min -- asked by
  direc85)  (flypig, 07:07:57)
  * <direc85> As users tend to write more about issues than successes
    about a Sailfish OS release in its release notes thread (Vanha Rauma
    is the prime example), the majority about posts tend to be negative.
    (flypig, 07:08:06)
  * <direc85> This can be off-putting to cautious users, as the thread
    seems to be mostly about issues.  (flypig, 07:08:16)
  * <direc85> To combat this, and to help everyone get more realistic
    picture about a software update, I suggest that a standard poll is
    added to release notes to see how the update went.  (flypig,
    07:08:23)
  * <direc85> It should probably separate the early access phase and the
    final release, so two polls could possibly be held side by side.
    (flypig, 07:08:32)
  * <direc85> As an example, Manjaro Linux, which I use, has this
    practice.  (flypig, 07:08:39)
  * <direc85> I like to pop in and leave a vote after an update, and
    from my own experience, it works well for both the community and the
    devs.  (flypig, 07:08:45)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stable-update-2022-04-15-kernels-mesa-nvidia-budgie-pipewire-libreoffice-kde-frameworks-wine/108422
    (flypig, 07:08:52)
  * <Jolla> Thank you for this suggestion. There's plenty to agree with
    in what you write, and since we didn't want to delay until the
    meeting today, we went ahead and implemented your great idea.
    (flypig, 07:09:31)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/release-notes-vanha-rauma-4-4-0/10656#how-did-the-upgrade-go-61
    (flypig, 07:09:37)
  * <Jolla> The current poll shows the following results: 79% no issues;
    16% small issues; 5% serious issues. It's not a direct comparison,
    since the wording is different, but these results aren't dissimilar
    to those in the Manjaro poll (88%, 5%, 7%).  (flypig, 07:09:43)
  * <Jolla> We'll continue to post a similar poll for future releases.
    We'd be interested to hear about your thoughts on the poll results.
    (flypig, 07:09:55)
  * <Jolla> It raises also the question about whether there are other
    great ideas like this that would be worth considering.  (flypig,
    07:10:02)
  * <sebix[m]> openSUSE Tumbleweed (Rolling Release Distro) has
    something very similar  (flypig, 07:11:24)
  * LINK: https://review.tumbleweed.boombatower.com/   (flypig,
    07:11:29)
  * Björn Bidar - Sailor @ Jolla  (Thaodan, 07:14:05)
  * Nico, late community member  (Nico, 07:14:08)
  * Damien Caliste, community  (dcaliste, 07:14:52)

* Toggle-able option to add digits row in keyboards (5 min -- asked by
  remote)  (flypig, 07:20:28)
  * <remote> Last 3 phones are 21:9, so having digits row is convenient.
    (flypig, 07:20:35)
  * <remote> 3d party solutions (not for every language) exist, manual
    patching (tedious, resets every update) exists.  (flypig, 07:20:47)
  * <remote> But I don't see why this can't be implemented in stock.
    (flypig, 07:20:56)
  * <Jolla> Thanks for this suggestion. We've created a task on our
    Bugzilla related to this so we can discuss it further internally.
    We're considering ways to improve the keyboard right now and will
    add this to the mix.  (flypig, 07:21:35)
  * <Jolla> However, we don't have any immediate plans to implement it
    for an upcoming release.  (flypig, 07:21:46)
  * <Jolla> Would you be able to share links to the 3rd party solutions
    that you mention? We'd be interested generally in opinions from the
    community about how best to improve the keyboard.  (flypig,
    07:21:52)
  * LINK: https://openrepos.net/content/adel/multi-keyboard-layouts
    (flypig, 07:23:19)
  * LINK: https://github.com/ichthyosaurus/sailfish-public-patch-sources
    (flypig, 07:26:02)
  * LINK:
    https://coderus.openrepos.net/pm2/project/widespacebar-llelectronics
    (flypig, 07:26:12)

* Bug roundup (15 mins -- asked by pherjung)  (flypig, 07:29:11)
  * <Jolla> The Community Bug Coordination team have been herding bugs
    beautifully this week.  (flypig, 07:29:30)
  * <Jolla> The idea here is for us to go through the bugs they've
    highlighted to try to get movement on them.  (flypig, 07:29:50)
  * 1. The following have been tagged as tracked or fixed:  (flypig,
    07:30:26)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10916   (flypig, 07:30:31)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/1181   (flypig, 07:30:34)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10741   (flypig, 07:30:40)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10894   (flypig, 07:30:43)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/8944   (flypig, 07:30:45)
  * 2. I've asked internally about the following in case they're already
    fixed. Depending on the result, I'll either mark them as tracked or
    fixed.  (flypig, 07:30:52)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/8294   (flypig, 07:30:58)
  * 3. I've posted a reply on this topic to try to get more info, and
    tagged the related bug report as tracked.  (flypig, 07:31:04)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10848   (flypig, 07:31:11)
  * 4. Asked internally and Thaodan, who worked on the change, has
    replied to this bug:  (flypig, 07:31:15)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10930   (flypig, 07:31:20)
  * 5. It looks like this issue here is due to lack of VoLTE. I've
    posted a reply, but I think there's no appropriate way to flag the
    bug.  (flypig, 07:31:25)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/1593   (flypig, 07:31:31)
  * 6. I've requested the OP to mark this bug as "solved". I'm not sure
    it makes sense to flag it as either tracked, or fixed though. What
    do you think?  (flypig, 07:31:35)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/9149   (flypig, 07:31:42)
  * 7. I'm not sure what the right approach is for this bug. It seems to
    be related to failed updates, which are notoriously hard to debug.
    (flypig, 07:31:47)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/10792   (flypig, 07:31:51)
  * ACTION: flypig to request a "pending" tag be added.  (flypig,
    07:42:06)
  * Bugs which have been considered, but are neither tracked nor fixed,
    will get a pending tag.  (flypig, 07:42:24)
  * Nico suggested to consider adding tags to categorise bugs to the
    forum.  (flypig, 07:51:05)

* Status of VoLTE (10-15min -- asked by Solrac)  (flypig, 07:52:04)
  * <Solrac> There have been some concerns with the implementation of
    VoLTE, specially now that it is starting to become mandatory in some
    countries (most notably in the US).  (flypig, 07:52:11)
  * <Solrac> Unfortunately, it has already been stated that older
    devices will not recieve VoLTE support, which brings up another
    concern that I'd like to ask about as well.  (flypig, 07:52:19)
  * <Solrac> What might be the state of VoLTE at the moment? Might there
    be a roadmap?  (flypig, 07:52:29)
  * <Solrac> Is it planned to arrive with 4.5, or would it be an update
    for 4.4, or would it be a simple package update?  (flypig, 07:52:36)
  * <Solrac> And would be only implemented for officially supported
    devices, or will it be possible to implement it in community builds
    (for porting to other devices)  (flypig, 07:52:43)
  * <Jolla> Thank you for the question. This topic was last discussed in
    the community meeting on 9th December, so this is a good opportunity
    to revisit it.  (flypig, 07:53:02)
  * <Jolla> As we stated there "The initial target is to enable VoLTE
    for Sony Xperia 10 II and III".  (flypig, 07:53:11)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-9th-december-2021/9310/5
    (flypig, 07:53:17)
  * <Jolla> On the Vanha Rauma blog post we detailed that development of
    the new telephony adaptation needed for VoLTE is progressing.
    (flypig, 07:53:23)
  * <Jolla> There we also posted a video of the VoLTE prototype
    demonstrating simultaneous data and calls, which is definitely worth
    a look if you've not seen it already.  (flypig, 07:53:30)
  * LINK: https://blog.jolla.com/vanharauma/   (flypig, 07:53:37)
  * LINK: https://youtu.be/c2E69IAAvzc   (flypig, 07:53:39)
  * <Jolla> However, beyond the fact that we still plan to bring VoLTE
    support this year, we don't have a public roadmap for it.  (flypig,
    07:53:43)
  * <Jolla> Concerning community builds, this will very much depend on
    the specifics of the devices in question. Rest assured, as soon as
    we have more to say publicly, we will make it known loudly.
    (flypig, 07:53:50)
  * <Nico> Will all the VoLTE stuff be open-source for people to take a
    stab at it to port it elsewhere?  I think it would be encouraging to
    some if that was known, because then they could easily say they can
    port it to their own devices without needing to play with a black
    box.  (flypig, 08:02:15)

* General discussion (20 min)  (flypig, 08:05:23)
  * Much interest for the Xperia 10 III release of Sailfish OS.
    (flypig, 08:27:18)

* Next meeting time and date (5 min)  (flypig, 08:31:24)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 12th May 2022 at 07:00am UTC:
    2022-05-12T0700Z  (flypig, 08:32:36)

Meeting ended at 08:33:22 UTC.




Action Items
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* flypig to request a "pending" tag be added.




Action Items, by person
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* flypig
  * flypig to request a "pending" tag be added.
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* flypig (158)
* Nico (36)
* pherjung (26)
* thilo[m] (18)
* Thaodan (18)
* ExTechOp (8)
* dcaliste (6)
* sebix[m] (5)
* abr (4)
* sailbot (2)
* sleepnicely[m] (2)
* sledges (1)
* krnlyng (1)




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