07:00:54 <abr> #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 15th September 2022
07:00:54 <sailbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 15 07:00:54 2022 UTC. The chair is abr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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07:01:06 <abr> #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
07:01:14 <abr> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-15th-september-2022/12861
07:01:24 <abr> I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. So watch it.
07:01:33 <abr> #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
07:01:37 <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community
07:01:50 <abr> #info Andrew Branson, sailor@Jolla
07:02:54 <flypig> #info David Llewellyn-Jones, sailor on shore leave
07:03:23 <pherjung> #info pherjung, community
07:06:02 <ViGe_> #info Ville Nummela, sailor@Jolla
07:06:10 <sebix[m]> #info Sebix, community
07:06:15 <FireReaper> #info FireReaper, community
07:07:22 <abr> ok, there aren't any pending questions this week, so I've got no answers
07:07:29 <Nico> #info Nico, community
07:07:40 <abr> but there is a...
07:07:44 <abr> #topic Open PR discussion (5 min -- asked by jolla)
07:07:57 <abr> #info Name/IRC nick: @flohack via @attah (who may not make it)
07:07:57 <abr> #link https://github.com/sailfishos/ofono/pull/35
07:08:35 <abr> I pinged slava about that a couple of days ago. He'd missed it when it was posted, but has addressed it now.
07:08:51 <abr> anyone got any more they'd like to draw attention to?
07:09:30 <Nico> No, my PR got merged before I got a chance to talk about it in a meeting...
07:10:19 <abr> well that's nice to hear
07:11:19 <flypig> It's great slava was able to look at flohack's PR. Does anyone know the background?
07:11:55 <flypig> (something UBports related?)
07:11:58 <abr> I think they've been doing some work on cell broadcasts in ubports, so I guess it's related to that
07:12:35 <abr> that's something we should revisit in sfos. there was some progress made some time ago, but never got to a release state.
07:13:17 <abr> they're quite difficult to test. to my knowledge the netherlands send a test one out once per month, which is a large testing interval
07:13:38 <flypig> That makes sense; thanks abr :)
07:14:16 <abr> it's for things like emergency alerts. like when the hawaiians got that missile warning message by accident
07:14:20 <Nico> Maybe different countries do it on different days, so that you can just take a train to test it once a week!
07:15:10 <abr> maybe! anyway, onwards
07:15:15 <abr> #topic Update: Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung)
07:15:24 <abr> #info <jolla> Lots more bugs dealt with this time, thanks to the Community Bug Coordination Team!
07:15:24 <abr> #info <Jolla> - 9 new bugs added to our internal database and tagged as "tracked"
07:15:24 <abr> #info <Jolla> - 7 bugs marked as "fixed"
07:15:24 <abr> #info <Jolla> - 6 bugs marked as "pending"
07:15:24 <abr> #info <Jolla> - 4 bugs addressed in some other way
07:16:06 <abr> Thanks for this. Flypig dealt with most of those, even though he's supposed to be on holiday!
07:16:14 <pherjung> There were some bugs from last meeting which are still open
07:16:24 <pherjung> *there are
07:16:31 <flypig> Late last night one of the "pending"s changed to "fixed", which is also nice.
07:17:00 <pherjung> Should I add them for the next meeting?
07:17:23 <abr> yes, i thought all the untracked ones were tracked now
07:17:23 <flypig> pherjung, that would be really helpful if you wouldn't mind. I'm afraid I didn't get a chance to look back at them.
07:17:35 <flypig> Sorry, crossed streams.
07:18:52 <pherjung> no problem, I keep the tracked on my side and remove them only once they're really tracked
07:19:49 <flypig> I found the more liberal use of "pending" really helpful in your list pherjung, so thank you for that.
07:20:56 <abr> ok, moving on
07:20:57 <abr> #topic General discussion (20 min)
07:21:11 <abr> how is everyone?
07:21:11 <sebix[m]> If there's interest we can talk about the recent efforts to create an association and get (public) funding.
07:21:25 <ExTechOp> abr Thanks, doing well.
07:21:56 <Nico> Sailfish ate all my RAM yesterday and killed any app I started, but apart from that I am doing fine :p
07:22:16 <Nico> sebix: Is that related to the EU grant stuff on the forum?
07:22:30 <jojo_> hi sebix, I joined the chat btw
07:22:51 <flypig> sebix[m], I'd love to hear more about the cooperative personally.
07:22:54 <ExTechOp> What is the latest status of Jolla ownership, have things changed?
07:23:50 <abr> Not yet, there's bound to be some public announcement though when things are finalized
07:24:14 <jojo_> regarding the association, I'm waiting until Friday for everyone to give it's opinion on the statutes before translating them and sending the,
07:24:17 <jojo_> them*
07:24:35 <sebix[m]> Sending them to who?
07:24:36 <abr> is there a link I can include in the minutes?
07:24:57 <sebix[m]> https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/interest-to-create-a-cooperative/10799/58
07:25:08 <sebix[m]> https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/7-w7l7nX1q2UKq846FevDBzX/
07:25:16 <jojo_> the association authority, they will make the association official
07:26:01 <abr> #info Community co-operative proposal
07:26:08 <abr> #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/interest-to-create-a-cooperative/10799
07:27:01 <abr> #info with draft statutes already:
07:27:04 <abr> #link https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/7-w7l7nX1q2UKq846FevDBzX/
07:27:09 <sebix[m]> jojo_: Do you already have the founders?
07:27:22 <flypig> How do you envisage it working jojo_? Is the focus on grants, developing features, collecting donations?
07:27:37 <sebix[m]> sebix[m]: And the foundation meeting?
07:27:55 <jojo_> sebix[m]: no, I need at least one more person
07:28:17 <Nico> jojo_, you are in Germany?
07:30:02 <jojo_> flypig: I envisage it working in the beginning with members and founders monthly membership fees  + EU grants, then by meeting the full members suggest a project(or more) to be funded.
07:30:07 <sebix[m]> jojo_: And you intend to be the president and provide the postal mailing address for the association?
07:30:22 <jojo_> later with donations and other means of gettings funds:
07:30:25 <jojo_> .*
07:30:40 <jojo_> Nico: I'm in Austria.
07:30:59 <jojo_> sebix[m]: yes
07:31:13 <Nico> Ah, so a bit away from me. But if you need a person, I am from Munich at least, so not thaaaaat far
07:31:29 <jojo_> sebix[m] the foundation meeting would require more founding members haha
07:31:57 <sebix[m]> jojo_: The foundation meeting only requires two people. president and vice-president
07:34:12 <flypig> Did you pin down a name yet? Or is the poll out?
07:34:44 <jojo_> Plans for the association in the next weeks are: This week, continue answering questions and updating text of the statutes. This week-end English -> German translation and posting that translation in the forum so german speakers can read it too.  Middle of next week, if translation is fine, print docs and send them to founding members so they can sign them (that's why, people living in Vienna would be more helpfull since I can go to the
07:35:03 <jojo_> once documents signed I can send them to the Association Authority (the main police station in Vienna)
07:35:26 <abr> that first line truncated after 'can go to the'
07:35:49 <jojo_> Unless the association sends a letter saying "you are approved" or "change this" , the association is legal after 4 weeks if no letter was received
07:36:05 <jojo_> abr: in the forum so german speakers can read it too.  Middle of next week, if translation is fine, print docs and send them to founding members so they can sign them (that's why, people living in Vienna would be more helpfull since I can go to them and they can sign IRL),
07:36:24 <abr> thanks
07:36:34 <jojo_> sebix[m]: yes, that's what I mean by "more people"
07:36:58 <sebix[m]> jojo_: "Unless the association sends a letter saying "you are approved" or "change this" , the association is legal after 4 weeks if no letter was received"... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wpeyWWTjQDjutJorZtrGcXdy>)
07:37:06 <sebix[m]> * "Unless the **authorities, * authorities** sends
07:37:56 <abr> #info <jojo> Plans for the association in the next weeks are: This week, continue answering questions and updating text of the statutes. This week-end English -> German translation and posting that translation in the forum so german speakers can read it too.
07:37:56 <abr> #info <jojo> Middle of next week, if translation is fine, print docs and send them to founding members so they can sign them (that's why, people living in Vienna would be more helpfull since I can go to them and they can sign IRL),
07:37:56 <abr> #info <jojo> Once documents signed I can send them to the Association Authority (the main police station in Vienna)
07:38:01 <jojo_> flypig: by the looks of the poll it will be "sailmates", unless by the end of the week the polls change
07:39:00 <jojo_> btw for those present at the Austrian meetup, I'll be there !
07:39:23 <flypig> It's all very cool jojo_.
07:40:28 <jojo_> i think i replied to all questions so far
07:40:28 <abr> any more topics to bring up before we move on to setting the next meeting date?
07:41:46 <abr> ok
07:41:48 <abr> #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min)
07:42:17 <abr> Proposing Thursday 29th September at 07:00am UTC
07:42:35 <flypig> I don't see any clashes with that date.
07:42:57 <ExTechOp> works.for.me
07:43:02 <abr> ok then
07:43:07 <abr> #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 29th September 2022 at 07:00am UTC: 2022-09-29T0700Z
07:43:28 <abr> That's it. I hope everyone had a good time and nobody got hurt.
07:43:34 <abr> #endmeeting