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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 24th November 2022
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Meeting started by flypig at 08:01:10 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-11-24-08.01.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (flypig, 08:01:25)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-24th-november-2022/13495
  (flypig, 08:01:31)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (flypig, 08:01:46)
  * Otto Mäkelä, community  (ExTechOp, 08:02:08)
  * David Llewellyn-Jones - sailor @ Jolla and meeting chair  (flypig,
    08:02:19)
  * Solrac, comunity  (Solrac[m], 08:02:48)
  * Simonas Leleiva - privateer for Jolla  (sledges, 08:03:39)
  * Björn Bidar - sailor @ Jolla  (Thaodan, 08:03:52)
  * daneos - community  (daneos, 08:05:10)
  * thigg, community  (thilo[m], 08:05:29)
  * Nico, community slacker  (Nico, 08:05:50)

* Log persistence/easing gathering of logs (10 mins -- asked by thigg)
  (flypig, 08:06:58)
  * <thigg> The journalctl Logs are rolled over quite quickly in
    Sailfish OS.  (flypig, 08:07:11)
  * <thigg> It is likely that some bug reports are struggling to collect
    logs because when the person is back home and thinks about getting
    those logs, they are gone already.  (flypig, 08:07:20)
  * <thigg> For example see
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/browser-bookmarks-does-not-show-typing-hides-keyboard/13579/3
    (flypig, 08:07:34)
  * <thigg> It might be helpful to collect logs for a longer period of
    time (e.g. one week)?  (flypig, 08:07:41)
  * <thigg> They still might forget this, thus maybe we could add a
    userfriendly button somewhere to save the whole journal with a
    dedicated name?  (flypig, 08:07:49)
  * <thigg> (Maybe even able to select a broad category, e.g. bugs with
    connection, in browser,...). That way the gathering of logs would
    take ~30 seconds for the user and it is way more likely they do it.
    (flypig, 08:07:58)
  * <Jolla> Log collection unfortunately remains tricky for many
    reasons, not least the need to remove private data before sharing
    them. We have several help articles related to collecting logs.
    (flypig, 08:08:29)
  * LINK:
    https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013910599-Collecting-basic-logs-from-a-Sailfish-device
    (flypig, 08:08:39)
  * LINK:
    https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4405752484242-Gathering-logs-related-to-audio-Bluetooth-and-phonecalls-from-a-Sailfish-OS-device
    (flypig, 08:08:44)
  * <Jolla> The first article provides a script collect-logs.sh that can
    be used to simplify the process of collecting logs.  (flypig,
    08:08:49)
  * <Jolla> The second article provides a script gather_logs.sh which is
    a little more complicated to run and with a focus on
    audio/bluetooth, but which will also make your logs persistent.
    (flypig, 08:08:59)
  * <Jolla> We really like your suggestion to add a user interface for
    this. We have an internal task for improving the process, but no
    timeline. We're always open to nice suggestions like this.  (flypig,
    08:09:11)
  * <thilo[m]>: "If someone could contribute a poc to bugger, i think
    that would help"  (flypig, 08:25:02)

* VoLTE for Ports (10 mins -- asked by LSolrac)  (flypig, 08:26:43)
  * <LSolrac> I vaguely remember someone mentioning VoLTE for unofficial
    ports in the forums. However, I have not been able to see any talk
    about it again.  (flypig, 08:26:53)
  * <LSolrac> So I ask, is there a plan to implement a standard for
    porters to implement VoLTE in their devices?  (flypig, 08:26:58)
  * <Jolla> We discussed something similar back in May (see point 5) and
    it’s worth reviewing that answer.  (flypig, 08:27:16)
  * LINK:
    https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-05-26-07.00.html
    (flypig, 08:27:21)
  * <Jolla> Back then we highlighted the eight layers of the Sailfish OS
    VoLTE stack:  (flypig, 08:27:28)
  * <Jolla> 1. Hardware adaptation: Sony proprietary.  (flypig,
    08:27:35)
  * <Jolla> 2. modem_auto_config: Jolla proprietary.  (flypig, 08:27:41)
  * <Jolla> 3. ofono-vendor-qti-radio-plugin: Jolla proprietary.
    (flypig, 08:27:47)
  * <Jolla> 4. ofono-modem-switcher: Jolla proprietary, Xperia 10 II
    only.  (flypig, 08:27:55)
  * <Jolla> 5. libgbinder-radio:
    https://github.com/mer-hybris/libgbinder-radio/  (flypig, 08:28:02)
  * <Jolla> 6. ofono-binder-plugin:
    https://github.com/mer-hybris/ofono-binder-plugin  (flypig,
    08:28:08)
  * <Jolla> 7. ofono: https://github.com/sailfishos/ofono/  (flypig,
    08:28:14)
  * <Jolla> 8. libqofono: https://github.com/sailfishos/libqofono
    (flypig, 08:28:19)
  * <Jolla> We said at the time we intended to release 2, 3 and 4 to the
    hw:common repositories for use by porters. We've not been able to do
    this yet.  (flypig, 08:28:25)
  * <Jolla> It’s worth noting however that they're device-specific, so
    may not be useful for ports more generally.  (flypig, 08:28:39)
  * <Jolla> In terms of a standard, slava has made available an example
    ofono binder plugin extension, which is a template for porters to
    replace layer 3.  (flypig, 08:28:47)
  * LINK: https://github.com/monich/ofono-binder-plugin-ext-sample
    (flypig, 08:28:56)
  * <Jolla> The extension interfaces are defined in the following
    headers.  (flypig, 08:29:02)
  * LINK:
    https://github.com/mer-hybris/ofono-binder-plugin/tree/master/lib/include
    (flypig, 08:29:08)
  * <Jolla> Hopefully this can be of help to porters looking at this.
    (flypig, 08:29:14)
  * fridlmue - community (sorry for being late)  (fridl, 08:33:32)
  * <Solrac[m]>: "letting layers 2,3,4 read a configuration file (which
    I asusme might be similar to Slava's extension) to ease this for
    future builds might not be a bad suggestion?"  (flypig, 08:39:46)
  * <Thaodan>: "Besides modem switching pretty much anything else is
    specific to the vendor of the soc"  (flypig, 08:40:11)

* Untracked bug reports (5 mins -- asked by thigg)  (flypig, 08:41:05)
  * Our regular Community Bug Coordination Team update, provided by
    thigg.  (flypig, 08:42:05)
  * <Jolla> Thank you once again to the amazing work of the Community
    Bug Coordination Team. As a result of their work, we now have an
    additional:  (flypig, 08:42:11)
  * <Jolla> 4 high quality bug reports now recorded internally and
    tagged as "tracked";  (flypig, 08:42:17)
  * <Jolla> 1 bug report marked as "pending" more info;  (flypig,
    08:42:22)
  * <Jolla> 3 bug reports tagged as "fixed";  (flypig, 08:42:26)
  * <Jolla> 3 duplicate/moved/closed for other reasons.  (flypig,
    08:42:32)
  * Thank you also to everyone who has reported issues. We've been
    pushing within Jolla to address as many of these reports as we can
    over the last month and your efforts have been invaluable.  (flypig,
    08:42:38)
  * The Community Bug Coordination Team are inviting new members.
    (flypig, 08:46:38)
  * <thilo[m]> added: "Only the invitation to the team ;) Help
    categorizing bug reports is appreciated :)"  (flypig, 08:46:54)

* Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla)  (flypig, 08:49:04)
  * <jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?  (flypig, 08:49:08)

* General discussion (15 min)  (flypig, 08:53:15)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/add-vpnc-patches-to-ease-usage-of-vpn-for-fritz-box-users/3955
    (Thaodan, 08:57:09)
  * Concerning log capture, pherjung highlighted the following forum
    topic for discussing it:  (flypig, 08:58:51)
  * LINK: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/easily-catch-logs/12018
    (flypig, 08:58:54)
  * : The Community Bug Coordination Team will start to highlight
    feature requests as well as bugs. They will devise a suitable
    process for this.  (flypig, 09:17:12)
  * : all candy to improve the process and bribe the team is welcome
    (thilo[m], 09:18:21)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/wiki-collecting-debug-information/12751
    (thilo[m], 09:23:11)
  * LINK: https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria is the bot I'm reffering
    to  (Thaodan, 09:23:29)
  * <Thaodan> "I want to create a repo for common answers and questions.
    Do you we have a sailfish community org somewhere, would anyone want
    to contribute?"  (flypig, 09:25:34)

* Next meeting time and date (5 min)  (flypig, 09:27:03)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 8th December 2022 at 08:00am
    UTC: 2022-12-08T0800Z  (flypig, 09:29:07)

Meeting ended at 09:29:33 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* flypig (140)
* thilo[m] (51)
* Thaodan (39)
* pherjung (15)
* ExTechOp (11)
* Solrac[m] (10)
* Nico (7)
* ViGe (6)
* dcaliste (4)
* sailbot (2)
* sledges (1)
* daneos (1)
* fridl (1)




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