07:00:02 #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th April 2023 07:00:02 Meeting started Thu Apr 27 07:00:02 2023 UTC. The chair is ViGe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 07:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 07:00:06 #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: 07:00:09 #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-27th-april-2023/15398 07:00:14 I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. 07:00:19 We only have one question, so there is no rush, but let's still try to respect the timings so we can get to lunch in time. 07:00:25 #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info 07:00:43 #info Ville Nummela, sailor@Jolla, chairperson today 07:00:55 #info Björn Bidar, Sailor @ Jolla 07:01:54 #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Sailor @ Jolla 07:02:33 #info Simonas Leleiva, privateer for Jolla 07:03:11 #info JP Walden, Sailor @ Jolla 07:04:17 #info thigg - community 07:04:43 I was just thinking that we are having a sailor meeting instead of community meeting :) 07:04:56 Unfortunatley only here for 20 minutes 07:05:25 #info Nico, community 07:05:31 #info pherjung, community 07:05:34 Ha! Not alone 07:05:37 #topic nfc support on android (10 min -- asked by thigg) 07:05:45 Smh, I was hoping to just lurk since I am busy on the side :p 07:05:48 #info Jolla stated earlier that nfc support for android apps is possible but not planned to be implemented yet. 07:05:51 #info Is this still the case? 07:05:54 #info If not: is nfc easier to do than bluetooth for android? 07:05:57 #info I imagine that bluetooth may cause problems if the latency goes up too high, but this might not really be a problem for nfc. 07:06:00 #info Thus maybe simpler solutions are doable? 07:06:03 #info Would it be possible to e.g. 07:06:05 #info Proxy the nfc data stream into a fake nfc device on android? 07:06:12 And the answer: 07:06:15 #info NFC support is in our roadmap, but currently we do not have any schedule to release. 07:06:23 That was all of it 07:06:51 Okay, no specific ideas about how this could be done and if it is easier than bluetooth? 07:07:24 Just for context: just been in paris and been annoyed that i couldnt use my phone to buy tickets 07:07:38 sorry, there aren't any additional details to share 07:08:22 Hm sad. Thus also no pointers for the community if we want to experiment a bit... 07:08:24 I'm not an NFC guy but bluetooth is connection based the device is connected to one source at a time until disconnect. NFC uses short cycles to exchange data e.g. when the token comes in range of the sensor. 07:08:43 This alone makes it easier I assume. 07:08:59 Thaodan: Yes, thats what i thought might make it easier 07:09:01 Yes 07:10:58 However thanks for the answer. I am sure you'll share things when you got something to share 07:11:42 I would like to play around with this, but i honestly dont think that would make it through my priorities ;) 07:12:26 thilo[m], out of interest were there other options in Paris? Or are the only options NFC and paper ticket? 07:12:56 Nfc, a plastic card and paper ticket, and paper tickets are about to be removed 07:13:14 And they are more expensive 07:13:24 It's the same in finland. 07:13:29 The nfc card was not so easy to get 07:13:34 e.g. Tampere 07:13:44 but you can pay with nfc credit cards. 07:14:19 I switched to nfc cards, because I need to bring an ID with my ticket anyway, so it makes more sense to put my card next to my id instead of bringing my phone with possibly an empty battery :D 07:14:25 Thaodan: Didnt see this planned for paris 07:14:31 (But I also have a monthly subscription for Germany) 07:14:55 thilo[m]: I hope for you, it makes everything easier for tourists.. 07:15:10 Yeah, its certanly workable on a daily basis. For short trips it would be very convenient just to use the phone 07:15:23 #info piggz - community 07:15:33 Time to move on 07:15:40 #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by jolla) 07:15:43 ##info Any open PRs to discuss? 07:15:47 Yes, thanks 07:15:53 I also need to go, bye 07:15:53 #info Any open PRs to discuss? 07:16:01 thilo[m]: bye! 07:17:38 #info David Llewellyn-Jones - community and desynchronised 07:19:23 Clearly there are no open PRs 07:20:06 #topic Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) 07:20:08 #info Untracked bug reports... (see the forum) 07:20:11 #info Thank you again for all of your work in checking and collating bug reports. 07:20:14 #info As a result, we now have: 07:20:17 #info - 8 bug reports now recorded internally and tagged as "tracked". 07:20:20 #info - 2 bug reports moved to feature request category 07:20:38 \o/ 07:21:20 Great work all round :D 07:22:37 pherjung[m], I'm curious to know how long your internal untracked bug list is. Is it approaching zero? 07:22:52 As soon as I get more time (I'm a bit rushed at work right now), I need to find a process to automate the closing of various superficial bug reports. 07:23:10 flypig: Well, not really… 07:23:16 :D 07:23:19 https://tree.taiga.io/project/thigg-sfos-bug-mod/kanban 07:24:00 :-o 07:24:22 really neat though 07:24:26 With the aim of closing useless/fixed bug reports, the main idea is to write an automatic comment and close automatically if no one responds. 07:24:48 that would be great 07:25:07 #topic General discussion (20 min) 07:25:08 It started with ~ 900 bug reports 07:25:14 That kanban really highlights the effort that goes in to the process. Very impressive. 07:25:35 we can continue discussing the bug process in general discussion as well :) 07:25:52 In a couple of weeks I'll be doing a presentation to my work colleagues about Sailfish OS. Any suggestions for topics to cover? 07:26:16 how easily you can hack it ! Like Patchmanager, etc. 07:26:34 What are the topics they are interested in ? 07:26:35 thought id mention that qt5.15 and kf5 is making great progress, and there is a large amount of kf5 libs already packaged, see https://github.com/sailfishos-chum/qt5/blob/main/packages.kf5 :) 07:26:37 The amazing work and effort brought by Rinigus and Piggz with the upgraded QT version 07:26:53 pherjung[m]: :) 07:28:15 I'll definitely cover "hacking" it (that will suit the audience nicely). Thanks for the suggestion! 07:28:51 What's your end-goal piggz? A replacement set of packages that work with Silica? 07:28:59 I'm quite tempted to try angelfish at some point, so far I haven't found the time to install it yet 07:30:50 flypig: i think currently we see it as an alternative set of APIs, no planned silica integration, but grrowing the choice for devs and users to build and run current plasma mobile apps, and giving another option to devs who want to develop cross platform/distro 07:31:19 ideally, a keen contributor would write a style plugin that looked kinda silica-ish ... but only on the look level 07:31:33 maybe later, jolla could build something against them? 07:32:22 Thanks! Great stuff. Are there any plasma apps to try out yet? Or is there still work to be done before then? 07:32:50 yes, angelfish and ktrip are working 07:33:16 more will come as more of the libs are packaged .... cough .... if anyone else wants to contribute ;) 07:33:29 Ah, yes, thanks; ViGe, I hadn't appreciated the relation. 07:33:50 https://github.com/sailfish-os-apps/angelfish 07:33:58 This one^^? 07:34:05 piggz, when I find time I would like to try to compile silica on top of Qt5.15 and see if Jolla would be interested to provide a silica-qt5.15 package in parallel to the standard system one. 07:34:33 flypig: no! I was talking about the browser... :-D 07:35:10 Oops, sorry. But this one is correct? https://github.com/sailfishos-chum/ktrip 07:35:21 https://github.com/sailfishos-chum/angelfish 07:38:29 It would be interesting to know how easy/hard it is to make that transition to 5.15 dcaliste. 07:39:32 Is 5.15-kde btw. KDE kinda ha a Qt 5.15 lts 07:39:52 Indeed, I'm eager to test. I need to setup my SDK with the work of piggz and rinigus. 07:39:56 Thaodan: yes, we pull it from KDE repos 07:41:08 except qtwebengine - that one is direct as kde doesn't provide it. although Qt is releasing webengine more frequently 07:41:19 My train is landing. Thanks for an informative meeting as always ViGe and all! 07:41:43 flypig: cheers! 07:42:11 Enjoy your day flypig. 07:43:44 flypig: as for end goal with this qt effort - its not defined yet. :) have to discuss it in community and decide what do we want from it 07:44:48 Time to start wrapping up 07:45:02 #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min) 07:45:08 Proposing Thursday 11th May at 07:00am UTC 07:49:11 No objections, so... 07:49:14 #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th May 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-05-11T0700Z 07:49:25 Thanks for the meeting everyone! 07:49:39 dcaliste: there are instuctions on the wiki for setting up sdk ... though i need to tweak some URLs now everything is in chum 07:50:08 #endmeeting