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#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 15th Feb 2024
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Meeting started by rainemak at 08:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-02-15-08.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* Meeting information and agenda can be found here:  (rainemak,
  08:00:20)
* LINK:
  https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-15th-february-2024/17982
  (rainemak, 08:00:20)
* Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info
  (rainemak, 08:00:20)
  * Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today  (rainemak,
    08:01:08)
  * Damien Caliste, community  (dcaliste, 08:02:12)
  * Nico (sorry)  (Nico, 08:02:14)
  * Ville Nummela, community  (ViGe, 08:02:15)
  * tuplasuhveli, community  (tuplasuhveli[m], 08:02:36)
  * Crabster - lurker  (Crabster, 08:02:40)

* Ofono Updates  (10mins -- asked by piggz)  (rainemak, 08:05:37)
  * Björn Bidar  - Sailor at Jolla  (Thaodan, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> Sailfish uses the Ofono Telephony stack to communicate with
    modems.  (rainemak, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> The version of Ofono use in Sailfish is quite old, and
    diverged from  (rainemak, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> the upstream project quite a lot. This was possibly
    understandable  (rainemak, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> when the upstream looked stagnant, however it seems to have
    had  (rainemak, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> somewhat of a revival, and has pushed out several release
    lately.  (rainemak, 08:05:47)
  * <piggz> Would it be worth re-basing the Sailfish Ofono and plugins
    on top of  (rainemak, 08:05:48)
  * <piggz> upstream to reduce the divergence and future maintenance? I
    (rainemak, 08:05:50)
  * <piggz> understand some of the reluctance to use upstream has been
    around  (rainemak, 08:05:52)
  * <piggz> the ell library, can you expand as to why this cant be used,
    it  (rainemak, 08:05:54)
  * <piggz> doesnt seem like a very large lib to include. I have had PRs
    on  (rainemak, 08:05:56)
  * <piggz> sailfish ofono to update it for quite some time, these were
    created  (rainemak, 08:05:58)
  * <piggz> by painstakingly cherry-picking each upstream commit that
    would  (rainemak, 08:06:00)
  * <piggz> apply against the sailfish version, but the longer the
    divergence  (rainemak, 08:06:02)
  * <piggz> remains, the harder this gets. Upstream has improvements for
    the  (rainemak, 08:06:04)
  * <piggz> quactel modem, many code cleanups and improvements, and
    maybe useful  (rainemak, 08:06:06)
  * <piggz> for other porters.  (rainemak, 08:06:08)
  * <Jolla> Indeed, Ofono has started to be painful to maintain and
    we’ve talked  (rainemak, 08:06:19)
  * <Jolla> doing what’s described here. Just rebasing all our changes
    on top of  (rainemak, 08:06:19)
  * <Jolla> upstream, and possibly just starting to use the libell.
    However, no  (rainemak, 08:06:19)
  * <Jolla> idea yet on the schedule.  (rainemak, 08:06:20)
  * <piggz> Here is libell https://github.com/sailfish-on-dontbeevil/ell
    (rainemak, 08:09:33)

* Restore Sailfish Weather  (5mins -- asked by cquence)  (rainemak,
  08:16:27)
  * <cquence> Will the native Foreca Weather app be restored in the next
    (rainemak, 08:16:36)
  * <cquence> release? Also are there any possibilities to use the
    native app  (rainemak, 08:16:36)
  * <cquence> with different configurable backends? User will have to
    provide  (rainemak, 08:16:36)
  * <cquence> their own key/credentials for paid services.  (rainemak,
    08:16:36)
  * <Jolla> Foreca Weather app is not restored to the next release.
    Having means  (rainemak, 08:16:45)
  * <Jolla> to use different backends is something that we’re thinking
    as well.  (rainemak, 08:16:45)
  * <Jolla> Community raised yr.no as plausible option and it would a
    good  (rainemak, 08:16:45)
  * <Jolla> candidate to check how feasible it’d really be.  (rainemak,
    08:16:45)
  * <Jolla>  (rainemak, 08:16:46)
  * <Jolla> If you haven’t yet disabled, you can disable Weather banner
    from  (rainemak, 08:16:47)
  * <Jolla> Events view from Settings -> Events View -> Install Weather
    from  (rainemak, 08:16:49)
  * <Jolla> Store.  (rainemak, 08:16:51)

* Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)  (rainemak, 08:23:37)
  * <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?  (rainemak, 08:23:44)

* General discussion (15 min)  (rainemak, 08:30:46)
  * <Jolla> Few things from our side that we haven’t yet covered.
    (rainemak, 08:31:01)
  * <Jolla> The next release, 4.6.0 Sauna, was already featured in the
    FOSDEM  (rainemak, 08:31:01)
  * <Jolla> 2024 on Linux on Mobile stand. You can easily see that the
    release #info <Jolla> is not far away. Before that we will have
    translation round and  (rainemak, 08:31:01)
  * <Jolla> inform this separate in the Forum. Stay tuned.  (rainemak,
    08:31:01)
  * <Jolla> Second topic, during the community event we had discussions
    regarding  (rainemak, 08:35:08)
  * <Jolla> subscription-based pricing model. To continue that
    discussion, we’d  (rainemak, 08:35:08)
  * <Jolla> like to ask your thoughts.  (rainemak, 08:35:08)
  * <Jolla> How much would you be willing to pay from a subscription.
    Let's think  (rainemak, 08:35:08)
  * <Jolla> two different models. Both would have software updates done
    in  (rainemak, 08:35:08)
  * <Jolla> similar fashion like we did last year (even year 2022). Few
    major  (rainemak, 08:35:11)
  * <Jolla> releases plus a few minor updates. Approximately a year ago
    we had  (rainemak, 08:35:13)
  * <Jolla> a vote about this in the newsletter.  (rainemak, 08:35:15)
  * LINK:
    https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-23rd-february-clat/14752
    (rainemak, 08:35:27)
  * <Jolla> 1) Software updates euros / month ?  (rainemak, 08:35:35)
  * <Jolla> 2) Software updates + AppSupport euros / month ?  (rainemak,
    08:35:40)

* Next meeting time and date (5 mins)  (rainemak, 08:56:59)
  * Next meeting will be held on Thursday 29th February 2023 at 08:00am
    UTC: 2024-02-29T0800Z  (rainemak, 09:02:11)

Meeting ended at 09:02:28 UTC.




Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* rainemak (100)
* Nico (26)
* piggz (18)
* nephros (17)
* dcaliste (16)
* Thaodan (12)
* tuplasuhveli[m] (6)
* sailbot (2)
* Crabster (2)
* saltpie[m] (2)
* ViGe (1)




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