| MSameer | i created a very basic file manager with no copy or move | 00:00 |
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| MSameer | i can push the code somewhere if someone wants it or will maintain it | 00:01 |
| MSameer | it mostly resembles the jolla-fileman | 00:01 |
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| Kabouik | Hum, weirdly, I disabled Google sync, and yet after I imported a "Allcontacts.vcf" from my N9, the only contacts with missing info BUT avatars are those from Gmail | 00:05 |
| Kabouik | And they don't have phone numbers anymore | 00:05 |
| chem|st | wtf I can syncronize with the phone even after reseting it... | 00:06 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: just use sync from N9 settings | 00:07 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: that is what I just did and recognized that I od not need to hit any confirmation screen when doing so... | 00:07 |
| Kabouik | I thought it didn't work? Anyway it seems Google overwrites on my contacts, it shouldn't if I disabled Sync | 00:08 |
| chem|st | after reseting the phone | 00:08 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: sync from N9 settings does work for me (for contacts, that is all I checked so far) | 00:08 |
| Kabouik | I'll give it a go thanks. Let's try to delete all on the N9 and reimport from the vcf first | 00:09 |
| stephg | anyone have a jolla to hand? think I found a boog | 00:11 |
| Kabouik | No option to delete all contacts? Then I have to find where they are stored locally | 00:12 |
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| special | sync does not/should not overwrite anything | 00:13 |
| special | they're imported separately and linked to other matching contacts | 00:13 |
| special | the actual contact you get is an aggregate of all of the sources (local info, sync accounts, IM accounts, ..) | 00:14 |
| Kabouik | Hmm weird then | 00:14 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: huu what havve you done to your n9 to have a need to erase there? | 00:14 |
| Kabouik | On the N9 I have 5 phone numbers for Hélène, and on the Jolla, 0 phone number. But she talked to me by Gmail chat before I imported the contacts, so the Jolla has identified her | 00:14 |
| Turski | stephg: ? | 00:15 |
| Kabouik | No need to erase, they are still on the N9. Just trying to purge the Jolla to try to reimport all from the .vcf | 00:15 |
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| Kabouik | special do you know where are stored the contact? So that I can delete them all at once instead of one by one | 00:21 |
| special | I can tell you how to do the nuclear contacts destruction option, but I make no promises that it won't ruin your life | 00:22 |
| Kabouik | They are all on the N9, and all in a vcf file too | 00:22 |
| Kabouik | So I have 8 spares lives! | 00:22 |
| Turski | /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite | 00:22 |
| special | devel-su -p | 00:23 |
| special | rm -r ~/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts | 00:23 |
| special | then reboot | 00:23 |
| Kabouik | Thanks! Do I need to remake the directory afterwards? | 00:23 |
| special | it will happen on boot | 00:23 |
| Kabouik | Alright | 00:24 |
| Kabouik | What does the -p argument stand for after devel-su? | 00:24 |
| special | privileged | 00:24 |
| special | rather than root | 00:24 |
| Turski | Kabouik: same as normal su | 00:24 |
| Turski | isn't it? | 00:24 |
| Kabouik | Thanks, I thought devel-su already had all privileges | 00:25 |
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| special | 'devel-su' is root, it does have all privileges | 00:25 |
| special | 'devel-su -p' is nemo:privileged | 00:25 |
| Turski | oh | 00:26 |
| special | which is still nemo, but can access things like contacts | 00:26 |
| Kabouik | Good to know | 00:26 |
| Turski | why there's no -h on jolla-specific commands? :( | 00:27 |
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| Kabouik | Weirdly, I can go till rm -r ~/.local/share/system/privileged/, but no "Contacts" dir found | 00:28 |
| Turski | Kabouik: did you devel-su -p? | 00:28 |
| special | (do not remove the whole privileged directory) | 00:28 |
| Kabouik | Never mind, I did, but while talking on irc too, I accidentally changed my Fingerterm session | 00:28 |
| Kabouik | No worries special :P | 00:29 |
| special | I'd feel mildly guilty if your phone didn't boot anymore :p | 00:29 |
| Kabouik | I can imagine you holding your head "wtf is he going to do §" | 00:29 |
| Kabouik | Just give us the flasher :> | 00:29 |
| special | would like to | 00:30 |
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| chem|st | how do I access developer repos (settings)? | 00:31 |
| chem|st | "allow developer updates" | 00:32 |
| Turski | chem|st: just dont | 00:32 |
| chem|st | what is a beta device without alpha updates? | 00:32 |
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| chem|st | :) | 00:32 |
| Turski | just don't | 00:32 |
| chem|st | yeah ok | 00:32 |
| Turski | it's not good idea | 00:32 |
| special | it's been awhile since we broke people's phones in devel internally | 00:33 |
| special | but it does happen occasionally. | 00:33 |
| Turski | :P | 00:33 |
| chem|st | I understand | 00:33 |
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| * SpeedEvil thinks a canned chroot would be interesting. | 00:46 | |
| SpeedEvil | To avoid these sorts of oopses. | 00:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I wish we got a flasher | 00:46 |
| Kabouik | it might worth nothing to hear that, but your kiitos.mp4 is very nice and looks sincère, makes feeling happy to have supported since the first Jolla rumors (even though some of us got angry sometimes because of comm strategy) | 00:47 |
| Kabouik | I watched the video several times to see all your faces Sailors! :] Happy that you made it. Now keep up the great work as long as possible, and don't sign that big check from Elop! | 00:47 |
| Kabouik | -check +contract | 00:48 |
| special | it is sincere, we're grateful for the opportunity to do this, and it comes from people believing in it.. | 00:48 |
| Kabouik | (However, I realized I couldn't navigate through the video, it's either on or off :o) | 00:48 |
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| Kabouik | And my comment and smile watching the video was sincere too! I was one of those complaining about the comm, and I'll probably keep having some reserves about the strategy, but that doesn't mean I didn't/don't appreciate ALL the rest :] | 00:49 |
| Kabouik | And I know the comm strategy I dislike might have reasons, I just think other choices could have been done, but that's another topic and really not my point here. just happy to see that happen! | 00:50 |
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| Kabouik | So guys, I have a 64 GB µsdxc. It is in the Jolla but not recognized. I know it should be if I could format it to ext4. Can I do it from the Jolla itself? It is supposedly my only sdxc-capable device, so I don't think I can do it from my computer | 01:36 |
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| special | Kabouik: are you comfortable with commandline reformatting? | 01:47 |
| special | the device has fdisk, but of course you should be extremely careful using it | 01:47 |
| Kabouik | Not really comfortable, but I've already done such thing on N900 and N9 (but never without a Howto, I do not know the commands myself) | 01:49 |
| Kabouik | I guess it should be ok unless I mess up with the block I chose to format :> | 01:49 |
| special | yep. anything you do to the SD card is fixable, but if you accidentally touch the device then.. :p | 01:50 |
| Kabouik | I know the risks, anyway I won't stay here with my 64 GB unrecognized µsd :P | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/64GB-MICRO-SD-TF-SDHC-MEMORY-CARD-CLASS-10-WITH-FREE-ADAPTER-/131071955887?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_MemoryCards&hash=item1e847f53af | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 'upgraded' cards. Right. | 02:10 |
| Kabouik | "therefore the capacity and speed may vary for each one." | 02:11 |
| Kabouik | Good reason, sure. :p | 02:12 |
| Yaniel | seems totally legit :D | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Even decent sandisk 64Gs are no longer that expensive. | 02:12 |
| Kabouik | chem|st, seems syncing from N9's setting to Jolla would work if... If half of my contacts had not accents in their names. And .vcf import does not work either for some reason (not fully at least). Any recommendation for an online sync, safe and not stealing my data/girlfriend? :o | 02:13 |
| Yaniel | Kabouik: did you try vcardconverter in the terminal on jolla? | 02:14 |
| Kabouik | I just tried openinf the allcontacts.vcf from jolla-fileman, I guess I did it wrong | 02:14 |
| Yaniel | and make sure the vcf is utf-8 | 02:14 |
| Yaniel | I tried that first but just got an error message | 02:15 |
| Yaniel | then someone pointed me to the terminal | 02:15 |
| Kabouik | For me it mostly works | 02:15 |
| Kabouik | But some contacts mess up, and I can't find the reason (for N9 sync it's obviously accents) | 02:15 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: move the vcf to /home/nemo/Documents then go Settings -> Apps -> People -> import vcf file | 02:15 |
| chriadam | which contacts mess up? | 02:15 |
| chriadam | if you have access to the command line you can do: | 02:16 |
| Kabouik | That's were the file is... But I've not tried from settings/apps/people, sounds weird! Should be in People directly | 02:16 |
| chriadam | devel-su -p sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db "select * from Contacts;" | 02:16 |
| chriadam | and check to see which data is there and which data is not | 02:16 |
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| chriadam | if you can identify exactly what is causing the issue (eg, if the contacts which don't get imported all have something in common) please try to get a minimal example vcf file which can reproduce the issue, and send it to me | 02:17 |
| Yaniel | chriadam: while you are at it, mind trying to export anything from the osx addressbook and import that? (if you have access to a mac) | 02:18 |
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| chriadam | Yaniel: I don't have access to a mac | 02:18 |
| chriadam | is there some problem with the format of vcf files exported by osx addressboox? | 02:19 |
| chriadam | if you can send me an example vcf, I can investigate | 02:19 |
| Yaniel | it just said "error" when I tried to import it | 02:19 |
| Kabouik | All right chriadam, thanks. Trying to redo the all.vcf and import from settings instead of file manager | 02:19 |
| Kabouik | First | 02:19 |
| Yaniel | vcardconvert worked though | 02:20 |
| Yaniel | *vcardconverter | 02:20 |
| chriadam | hrm, strange, I thought they used the same code. i'll check on that | 02:20 |
| Kabouik | I've deleted a few duplicates, we'll see if it helps | 02:21 |
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| Kabouik | But I don't think duplicates change anything, since they got different names in the all.vcf | 02:21 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: depends which details match. the contacts engine in Jolla automatically does contact aggregation in some circumstances | 02:22 |
| chriadam | so, for example, it can "combine" Tim Smith and Timothy Smith in some cases, etc | 02:22 |
| chriadam | (you can see which ones get "combined" by looking at the "Links" in the people app) | 02:23 |
| Kabouik | Hum, perhaps then | 02:23 |
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| Kabouik | Might be better with the new all.vcf | 02:23 |
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| chriadam | Yaniel: vcardconverter + the settings import code, is shared, so there shouldn't be any difference between them :-/ | 02:23 |
| Kabouik | And opening a vcf from jolla-fileman does the same chriadam? | 02:24 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: no idea | 02:24 |
| chriadam | i dunno what that app is | 02:24 |
| Kabouik | It triggers vcardconverter? | 02:24 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 02:24 |
| chriadam | i have to go afk for 30 mins, back later on | 02:24 |
| Kabouik | It did import contacts | 02:24 |
| Kabouik | See you, thanks again! | 02:24 |
| Yaniel | wooops | 02:27 |
| Yaniel | connected my jolla to my macbook pro in dev mode and the laptop rebooted | 02:27 |
| Kabouik | Your Mac couldn't stand the openness :o | 02:28 |
| Yaniel | I guess | 02:28 |
| Yaniel | now the question is.. do I feel lucky? | 02:29 |
| Yaniel | aka did I just lose my schoolwork that I have to submit before having to catch a plane in the afternoon | 02:30 |
| Yaniel | phew, lucky | 02:32 |
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| Kabouik | chriadam still trouble with contacts. Tried to import a ALL.vcf of roughly 160 people, Jolla imported 40 (and some of them have accents) | 03:05 |
| Kabouik | I've run the sqlite3 command you asked, put it in a .txt because I don't really know what to do with it | 03:06 |
| Kabouik | The ALL was done by putting all contacts on the Jolla, then "cat *.vcf > ALL.vcf" | 03:07 |
| Kabouik | Tried on the N9 too | 03:07 |
| Kabouik | It seems that it's the cat to ALL.vct that goes wrong. Just tried to import it on the N9, some contacts disappeared too | 03:10 |
| Kabouik | But... The contacts successfully imported are not necessarily the same. Really strange | 03:12 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: can you pastebin the .txt from the sqlite3 command? or send it to chris.adams at jollamobile dot com | 03:13 |
| Kabouik | Just sent | 03:14 |
| chriadam | thanks | 03:15 |
| Kabouik | I really don't understand which type of cells your brain is made of if you can see anything in that .txt chriadam. I worry for your health. | 03:18 |
| chriadam | ;-) | 03:19 |
| chriadam | the first thing to note is that, as far as I can tell, the problem is not related to aggregation (ie, linking multiple contacts into the same contact), as you can see that there is one "aggregate" generated for every one "local" | 03:20 |
| chriadam | which is good - it means that our aggregation heuristics are not (in this case) causing problems | 03:20 |
| chriadam | but it means that there is something "lower level" (ie, during import itself) which is failing | 03:21 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 03:21 |
| Kabouik | I'm puzzled by the fact the same .vcf file imports different contacts in N9 and in Jolla | 03:21 |
| Kabouik | I forgot my N900 at the office, can't try on it | 03:21 |
| chriadam | in the Jolla we have custom handling for PHOTO fields, for example. it's possible that the n9 has different code to handle different cases. different code == different bugs == fail on different fields | 03:23 |
| FIQ | I wonder if N900 will make a 3rd result | 03:24 |
| Kabouik | I have a few contacts with photos indeed (less than 15 I'd say) | 03:24 |
| chriadam | but this is very strange. there are some contacts in here which definitely should work 100% of the time, which didn't get imported. thanks for the vcf + sqlite log - we'll definitely get this fixed asap. | 03:24 |
| Kabouik | N900 is da beast. it imports them successfully, and prints the reason of the bug on child devices! :o | 03:24 |
| FIQ | :P | 03:24 |
| Kabouik | So you confirm it's not me doing something wrong here chriadam? Apart from the fact i'll have to wait, it would be sort of a good news | 03:25 |
| Kabouik | At least to know I didn't screw up | 03:25 |
| chriadam | from what I can tell, you're not doing anything wrong, no. I will try some things and get back to you if I can find a workaround, but most likely it'll involve fixing something in the vcard converter code, and pushing the fix out as an update | 03:27 |
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| Kabouik | Then I might end up manually creating the most important contacts for now, but don't hesitate to tell me if you found something before the update, I could test too on my device | 03:28 |
| Kabouik | Or if you need anything additional | 03:28 |
| chriadam | will do, thanks | 03:28 |
| Kabouik | Thanks to you | 03:29 |
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| Kabouik | Soooo, first thing I cannot tick in my checklist for having the Jolla ready to use! Crap! Next things: formatting µSDXC, and fixing this pictures in gallery that don't show up! Seems I should give up for tonight, already 4:29 AM and I work tomorrow :p | 03:30 |
| Yaniel | hmm I can't seem to reproduce the problems I had with the vcf | 03:32 |
| Yaniel | ah | 03:33 |
| Yaniel | it does not work with xdg-open | 03:33 |
| Yaniel | it sais "contacts cannot be imported from here: file:test.vcf" | 03:34 |
| Kabouik | Ah, I have no error message | 03:34 |
| Yaniel | but via settings->apps->people->from file it works flawlessly | 03:34 |
| Yaniel | chriadam: is that to be expected? | 03:35 |
| Kabouik | For what it's worth chriadam, I took my N9, selected a contact that wasn't imported to the Jolla (but obviously was imported to the N9, because I cleaned both devices and imported the same ALL.vcf on them) -> Share VCF via bluetooth | 03:35 |
| Kabouik | It sent it to Jolla in /home/nemo/Documents | 03:36 |
| Kabouik | I imported it from settings/People/import | 03:36 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: did it successfully import that way? | 03:36 |
| Kabouik | And the contact now does show up correctly in Jolla's People, including photo and multiple numbers | 03:36 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: interesting... | 03:36 |
| chriadam | I can reproduce your issue on my device with your vcf, so it's clearly something to do with the formatting which our import code doesn't like | 03:36 |
| chriadam | hopefully will have a fix soonish | 03:37 |
| chriadam | Yaniel: well, i'm not sure if we have a default handler application for that mime type | 03:37 |
| Kabouik | And apparently it works if you import the contacts individually... Weird. I can send a zip of the .vcf if you want for some testing | 03:37 |
| Yaniel | it does open People though | 03:37 |
| Kabouik | As long as you don't harrass my mother or send my partner's number to Russian terrorists! | 03:37 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: ;-) | 03:38 |
| special | Yaniel: give xdg-open an absolute path | 03:38 |
| chriadam | i shouldn't need the zip file tbh, should be able to figure it out with the text vcf / catted version | 03:38 |
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| Kabouik | Ah crap, just sent it | 03:41 |
| Kabouik | Too late :< | 03:41 |
| Yaniel | special: works | 03:41 |
| Yaniel | (and now I feel stupid xD) | 03:44 |
| Kabouik | Doesn't hurt so much, I'd be dead since a long time | 03:44 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: the first vcard you send me, only has 39 contacts in it | 03:47 |
| chriadam | cat full.vcf | grep BEGIN | wc -l #produces 39 as a result | 03:48 |
| Kabouik | Hum | 03:48 |
| Kabouik | So there is indeed a problem when merging all vcf | 03:48 |
| Kabouik | I can try on the PC, only done it on Jolla or N9 so far (computer is not Linux here) | 03:49 |
| chriadam | i'll have a look at the zipped ones and try with a catted version | 03:49 |
| Kabouik | I believe I can do the same with "copy" in Windows CMD | 03:49 |
| Kabouik | Hum maybe I just sent the wrong file chriadam | 03:51 |
| chriadam | aha, yes, can repro with the catted version | 03:53 |
| chriadam | cat testall.vcf | grep BEGIN | wc -l # produces 326, but importing only gets 41 | 03:54 |
| Kabouik | You do have a 39 contacts "full" vcf with the 160ish individuals vcf files? | 03:54 |
| Kabouik | Hum | 03:54 |
| chriadam | ah ok | 03:55 |
| chriadam | the individual vcards aren't all \r\n\r\n ended | 03:55 |
| chriadam | so we end up with lines like: END:VCARDBEGIN:VCARD | 03:55 |
| chriadam | let me try something.. one moment | 03:55 |
| Kabouik | Arg. No idea why some are badly formatted | 03:56 |
| Kabouik | Alright, let's brush teeth while you work :D | 03:56 |
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| chriadam | Kabouik: there can be embedded vcards (eg, assistants, etc). Ok, so it's fixed with: | 03:59 |
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| chriadam | cat *vcf | sed 's/VCARDBEGIN/VCARD\r\nBEGIN/g' | cat >> testall.vcf | 04:00 |
| chriadam | then try to import that testall.vcf I get: Wrote 160 contacts | 04:00 |
| chriadam | which seems correct | 04:00 |
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| Kabouik | Let's try that then chriadam, thanks a lot | 04:02 |
| Kabouik | (Should be 163 though if I'm correct) | 04:02 |
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| chriadam | Hrm, I will look for the ones which were missed, and try to figure out why. I checked the database, and we're not seeing any wrong-aggregations, so it still must be an import issue with the missing 3 | 04:06 |
| Kabouik | Actually I did not check carefully, perhaps there are duplicates that are automatically merged. I don't think so, but cannot confirm | 04:07 |
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| Kabouik | 163 people imported here chriadam | 04:09 |
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| Kabouik | Perhaps the 7z you had is just incomplete | 04:09 |
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| Kabouik | Anyway, I want to say that I'd marry you if I didn't propose to special already! Thanks a lot for your help. | 04:10 |
| Kabouik | I'm really sorry the issue came from the .vcf files and was isolated, it would have been more useful to you if it was a Sailfish issue | 04:10 |
| Kabouik | But it's proof Sailfish is robust ;) | 04:10 |
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| chriadam | all good - maybe we should preparse the vcf files in our importer, and look for this issue - since I think it might bite some people if they just cat their vcf files together, and some of them don't have proper \r\n endings | 04:11 |
| Kabouik | Ah, read the report a bit quickly though: 163 contacts found but 160 imported, you're right | 04:11 |
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| Kabouik | Yeah and I have no idea why the endings were messed up: all these .vcf come from N900 and/or N9 exports through UI functions (I only used cat in terminal) | 04:12 |
| chriadam | there are two N:;Alexandre;;; vcards | 04:14 |
| Kabouik | I don't see them | 04:15 |
| Kabouik | I see an Alexandre.vcf, and an Alexandrine PXXXXX.vcf | 04:15 |
| Kabouik | With actually different phone numbers | 04:16 |
| chriadam | err, my bad | 04:16 |
| chriadam | cat testall.vcf | grep -v "BEGIN" | grep -v "VERSION" | grep "N:" | cat >> justnames.txt | 04:16 |
| chriadam | that is what I used to get a list of names, so I could compare to what's in the db | 04:16 |
| Kabouik | No worries, you already save 160-39= 121 people tonight! :P | 04:16 |
| Kabouik | saved* | 04:16 |
| chriadam | but my cat line was wrong apparently :-/ | 04:16 |
| chriadam | haha, i won't be satisfied until they all get imported properly tbh | 04:17 |
| Kabouik | I'll try to follow the chan to see if there is any progress, but really have to go (5:17 AM, wake up at 8:30 :<) | 04:17 |
| Kabouik | In case you finally fix it but I'm not here, please just drop me a mail (even just a word so that I connect to IRC on the evening) | 04:18 |
| chriadam | will do | 04:18 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot again, and I mean "a lot" chriadam! | 04:18 |
| chriadam | sleep well :-) | 04:19 |
| chriadam | np | 04:19 |
| Kabouik | Now I just have to tick the "pictures' thing and the "sdcard" thing, and a tiny portion of the contacts tick :p | 04:19 |
| Kabouik | See you all! | 04:19 |
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| JvD_ | morning | 05:06 |
| chriadam | gmorning | 05:08 |
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| CoderCandy | Morning | 05:48 |
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| CoderCandy | Sigh... | 05:51 |
| CoderCandy | On thursday it's gone 3 weeks since I completed my Jolla preorder... | 05:52 |
| CoderCandy | Still not shipped | 05:52 |
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| tehdely | chriadam: maaajor useless use of cat there | 06:02 |
| tehdely | and useless use of grep | 06:02 |
| tehdely | chriadam: $ egrep -v '(BEGIN|VERSION)' testall.vcf | grep "N:" >> justnames.txt | 06:03 |
| chriadam | yeah. it's wrong anyway, as I needed to use \bN: instead | 06:03 |
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| Trizt | CoderCandy: tomorrow 3 weeks for me, but I think today would be the last day to send to have a chance of seeing it this year, so I have to wait and see if it will arrive on the 7th of January next year | 06:38 |
| CoderCandy | aww :( | 06:39 |
| Stskeeps | what order numbers are you at? | 06:39 |
| CoderCandy | Your Order #200003045 (placed on November 28, 2013 12:04:41 AM EET) | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so not entirely there yet, i'm at 35xx and fully expect to get it before xmas | 06:40 |
| Trizt | #2...2527 | 06:40 |
| CoderCandy | I hope I get mine before january | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | you're abroad from finland, i presume? | 06:42 |
| Trizt | yes, just the next country but the post here is so bad during xmas that you do not get much of packages delivered | 06:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: good luck on getting it :-) | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: we send packages with fedex abroad | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | so it goes rather quickly | 06:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i hope to buying/getting it in januari | 06:43 |
| Trizt | damn, even worse, they only have delivery when Im at work and I have no way to get to jönköping to fetch it myself | 06:43 |
| MMori | Morning everyone! | 06:45 |
| whippler | huomenta :) | 06:45 |
| MMori | Are the cover icons working for anyone else in any apps? | 06:45 |
| MMori | whippler: :) | 06:45 |
| * Trizt don't know, the SDK broke after latest update | 06:45 | |
| MMori | Trizt: Good to know | 06:46 |
| Trizt | time to get to work | 06:46 |
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| Trizt | MMori: I don't know whats with the latest version of the SDK, I made a fresh install and still not working | 06:46 |
| whippler | any success on downloading the new patch for the phone? | 06:46 |
| whippler | whats not working on the sdk? nothing at all? | 06:47 |
| MMori | Trizt: Are you talking about the phone os or the development sdk on desktop? | 06:47 |
| CoderCandy | Stskeeps, Yeah, Sweden | 06:48 |
| MMori | I installed the sdk on both Win8 and Win7 and it seems to be working just fine | 06:48 |
| MMori | Or is there something I'm missing here? | 06:48 |
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| whippler | mine seems to be working just fine on ubuntu | 06:53 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps I resolved the 'settings -> people' issue I mentioned yesterday (infinite list of contacts) | 06:53 |
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| Milo- | I had exported contacts from n900 to my microsd card, and those were shown in the 'settings -> people' page. | 06:53 |
| Milo- | not sure why the list was infinite, there were roughly 60 entries in those two export directories. | 06:54 |
| MMori | Milo-: I just imported some of my missing contacts that way. It's not an infinite list for me but it did give me duplicate contacts at times | 06:55 |
| MMori | But it would be nice to see the file name instead of "From file" text... | 06:56 |
| Milo- | mine was probably cyclical. didn't really study it too much, because it only says "from file" for each entry | 06:57 |
| Milo- | but there were definitely a lot more entries than just 60 or 120. | 06:57 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: Could a character counter be added to writing a sms? I'm a control freak and don't want to send msg that are 1 character over the limit ;) | 07:00 |
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| MMori | Look at dat grammar, mm-mm-mm | 07:01 |
| whippler | yah char count would be great. and a time since unplugged in to settings - battery | 07:03 |
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| special | MMori: there is a task about it, but it's actually not quite as simple as it sounds | 07:04 |
| MMori | whippler: agreed | 07:04 |
| MMori | special: really? | 07:04 |
| special | the limit in a single message can change depending on the network and on the characters typed | 07:04 |
| phaeron | unicode and stuff | 07:04 |
| special | (as a result of encodings) | 07:04 |
| MMori | special: Oh boy, why couldn't world have one specs for every case? :/ | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://xkcd.com/927/ | 07:05 |
| Milo- | Or just do what apple does with their imessages. Send them through NSA-servers. | 07:06 |
| MMori | special: there seems to be an encoding thing with the media player too. I might have renamed on Windows some of the songs I have on my sd card and those refuse to play. It was told to me that Windows for some reason uses/has used some weird encoding at some point | 07:06 |
| MMori | Milo-: Don't scare my | 07:07 |
| MMori | *me | 07:07 |
| special | Milo-: you say that as if the carriers aren't NSA servers ;) | 07:08 |
| MMori | I've never touched an iProduct and never will | 07:08 |
| Milo- | special I think it's more about cutting off the middle man. | 07:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and as well it's funny all the | 07:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | NSA talk | 07:10 |
| MMori | special: and just to be clear, those play just fine on my onld phone xpressmusic 5800 | 07:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | we always have been watched and tracked and spied and everyone knew but it was okay | 07:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | today we talk about it | 07:11 |
| special | MMori: do those names use any non-english characters in particular? | 07:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | and suddenly it's not ok | 07:11 |
| MMori | not all of them, some do use ä and ö but some doesn't use any special characters | 07:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dont like to be tracked and spied but the point is that people wouldn't care till you put it on big screens with shocking news | 07:12 |
| MMori | ZogG_laptop: It's not wrong to try to avoid those companies and services that are clearly compromising security and privasy. | 07:13 |
| MMori | *privacy | 07:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | but the point is that all of knew that before | 07:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | now when it's in open we all suddenly worry | 07:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's what not logical | 07:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | anyway i have to go shower and work | 07:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i gve today myself too much time to sleep already :P | 07:14 |
| MMori | ZogG_laptop: True, but I'm talking just for myself. I've always known and I've always tried to protect my privacy | 07:14 |
| MMori | ZogG_laptop: Have a nice day | 07:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | thnx | 07:17 |
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| Kiranos | Bandwidth Limit Exceeded jollausers, getting some traction:) | 07:19 |
| whippler | Kiranos: :D | 07:22 |
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| nander | Still no additional devices 'in picking' | 07:24 |
| whippler | hmm my SDK cant establish a connection to merSDK (ubuntu) | 07:26 |
| whippler | worked yesterday | 07:27 |
| MMori | whippler: rebooted everything? | 07:27 |
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| whippler | MMori: no luck | 07:32 |
| whippler | launch button is stuck in "gray" | 07:33 |
| MMori | That's odd. You have a project selected? | 07:35 |
| whippler | yah | 07:35 |
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| whippler | should i wipe SailfishOS folder fomr home? would the ide recreate it? | 07:38 |
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| MMori | have you tried to just reload the project again witout using the .pro.user file? | 07:39 |
| MMori | does the button work with example projects? | 07:39 |
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| whippler | nope, still stays just grey, think iv given it enough time already | 07:42 |
| whippler | its saying "connection refused" | 07:43 |
| MMori | that's dull :/ | 07:44 |
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| Frye | whippler, maybe you need to regenerate keys. | 07:53 |
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| whippler | how would i go about doing that | 07:54 |
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| Frye | Under preferences -> Devices in the qt creator | 07:54 |
| MMori | Tools-> Options -> Mer -> Generate Key? | 07:54 |
| Frye | Ah, the path seems to be different depending on which os it is running :D | 07:55 |
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| whippler | Could not generate key, error | 07:55 |
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| MMori | Well I'm Windows he's ubuntu so I don't know | 07:55 |
| Frye | I'm on osx | 07:55 |
| Frye | :D | 07:55 |
| MMori | :P | 07:55 |
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| Frye | whippler, do you have ssh packages installed? | 07:56 |
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| MMori | whippler: did you update the sdk yesterday/today? | 07:56 |
| whippler | mm should be.. and it worked last night | 07:56 |
| whippler | havent updated since it worked yesterday. but i think i have the latest december update | 07:57 |
| MMori | the latest update came last friday if I remember right | 07:57 |
| whippler | yas i have i | 07:58 |
| whippler | *it | 07:58 |
| MMori | but someone here said it broke something.. I just haven't noticed it had broke anything | 07:58 |
| whippler | me neither, until today | 07:58 |
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| micko_ | why don't I see the latest sailfish update yet? I understood it came out yesterday | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | micko_: check for it again in about product | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | micko_: it's a minor hotfix to solve store issues | 08:22 |
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| MMori | micko_: I'm seeing it now | 08:23 |
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| iaira | does anyone else have problems with battery endurance? | 08:24 |
| MMori | iaira: Yes | 08:24 |
| iaira | ok.. any knowledge of when and how to fix it? | 08:24 |
| micko_ | Stskeeps: there it is. thanks | 08:25 |
| MMori | the developers are working on some issues, we'll see how it will turn out | 08:25 |
| iaira | ok :) | 08:25 |
| tachikom1 | moin | 08:25 |
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| MMori | iaira: If you can, you could try to take the display brightness a bit lower to see if it helps at all | 08:26 |
| iaira | MMori yeah, a good idea. it's currently set to automatic but a try-wirthy idea | 08:26 |
| iaira | but it isn't a fatal flaw, it still lasts longer than iPhone's so :D | 08:27 |
| micko_ | iaira: gps seems to use a lot of battery. I switch it on only when needed | 08:27 |
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| iaira | micko_ thanks. never thought of that. I think it's set to off but have to check that | 08:28 |
| MMori | iaira: It wouldn't be a major flaw if charging the battery would be faster. I had 46% battery left at 2.5 hours ago and I started to charge the phone and now it's just 73% full.. | 08:29 |
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| MMori | And I'm not charging through usb on pc. | 08:29 |
| iaira | Aah.. true. I haven't taken mine into everyday use yet so didn't notice the recharge time | 08:30 |
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| MMori | If I'm playing a game while charging the battery the battery actually drains faster than it charges. So no heavy usage can be done while charging the phone | 08:31 |
| iaira | Hmm.. Propably a stupid question but have you tried with a different cord? | 08:32 |
| MMori | yes | 08:32 |
| MMori | I've tried with two different | 08:32 |
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| iaira | Aah. I wast just wondering whether there could be a problem with the transformer | 08:33 |
| MMori | me too | 08:33 |
| flux | isn't that a common theme in mobile phone chargers? | 08:33 |
| MMori | All I've ever used has been Nokia phones, and I've never had that issue | 08:33 |
| MMori | but it might be a todays feature | 08:33 |
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| tobiski | I've samsung gio and whenever I use it as a hotshop and charge it the same time, it charges instead of drains the battery | 08:34 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Jonni: Did you publish a How-To for the wireless charging yet? (Think I've missed it) | 08:35 |
| MMori | MFaro-Tusino: Wireless charging? | 08:36 |
| flux | he did not | 08:37 |
| tobiski | MMori: yes, basically Qi wireless charger received put behind the OH and connected to pins in Jolla | 08:37 |
| tobiski | *receiver | 08:38 |
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| MMori | tobiski: That sounds interesting! | 08:38 |
| Jonni | MFaro-Tusino: not yet, havent had time to take decent pics yet... but it will come soon. | 08:38 |
| flux | so how cheap can one get those wireless chargers? | 08:39 |
| MMori | Jonni: Have you been using it on your phone for long? | 08:39 |
| Jonni | receiver part from ebay was around 6e with home delivery. | 08:40 |
| flux | ah, ok, ebay sells some chinese qi charger transmitter for $16 | 08:40 |
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| flux | you should publish the parts needed so folks can get them some time feburary ;-) | 08:41 |
| rcg | Jonni, do you use qi, palm touchstone, or something else? | 08:41 |
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| Jonni | QI | 08:41 |
| rcg | ic, do you happen to know how much power it can transfer? | 08:41 |
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| rcg | iirc the touchstone stuff wasn't capable of transferring a lot | 08:42 |
| Jonni | well depends on trasmitter and receiver, but usually between 650mA and 1000mA. | 08:42 |
| Trizt | MMori: I was talking about the sdk, not the phone. | 08:42 |
| Jonni | this 1st version I tried was 650mA version. | 08:42 |
| MMori | Trizt: Just checking. | 08:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Jonni: Thats okay - Just wanting to post an article on My Nokia Blog about it. All its missing at the moment are your steps :D | 08:42 |
| MMori | Trizt: You happen to be using ubuntu? | 08:43 |
| rcg | Jonni, cool, that seems reasonable :) | 08:43 |
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| flux | that 1000mA charger I checked from ebay seems to take in 2000mA, so probably not your average charger | 08:44 |
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| Trizt | Whilpper: fresh install didnt help me, still cant access the mer vm, seems its ssh do not work | 08:45 |
| TheBootroo | Ohai ! We are on 17th dec, still bloody nothing here, congrats to Tofe and Kabouik | 08:46 |
| Trizt | MMori: nope Gentoo | 08:46 |
| MMori | Trizt: whipper couldn't connect to mer either today. he was on ubuntu | 08:47 |
| MMori | generating new keys resulted in errors | 08:47 |
| Trizt | I did see that. | 08:47 |
| MMori | ok | 08:48 |
| Trizt | With the new project I cant access the mer buikd machine, no ssh connection accepted. With old prjocet it thinksthe application header file is missing | 08:50 |
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| Trizt | kind of thinking of using the old version and not update | 08:51 |
| artemma | 53% of all preordered #Jolla phones are in processing or shipped already. And I guess crowdsourced table has significant lage http://buff.ly/1hg6QZK | 08:53 |
| artemma | lag* | 08:53 |
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| Trizt | Artemma: how do you know you aint in the 47% group? | 08:55 |
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| Plnt | artemma: probably when people receive the phone they are too happy with it so they forget to update it :) | 08:56 |
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| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; how's your angst today | 08:59 |
| TheBootroo | artemma: the spreadsheet is outdated ? | 08:59 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: not better than yesterday | 08:59 |
| celeron55 | my 20*289\d was shipped yesterday (i'm not on the chart) | 09:00 |
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| tobiski | I think that means... you're out of charts... YEAAAAH | 09:01 |
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| TheBootroo | tobiski: NICE ONE | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | 8-) | 09:01 |
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| TheBootroo | celeron55: XD | 09:02 |
| nadriel | Thanks | 09:02 |
| tobiski | hmm.. off the charts might be the correct phrase but w/e, english isn't my first language :D | 09:02 |
| micko_ | about the battery charging speed... I had jolla last night on it's own charger. when I plug it in it asks pc, developer or just charging as if I had connected it to a computer. in the morning there were only 25% battery left so I guess no charging happened | 09:03 |
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| micko_ | and I'm sure I tapped on the just charging icon | 09:03 |
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| micko_ | I then connected it to samsung's charger with n900's cable and in two hours 100% | 09:04 |
| MMori | micko_: the charging does work for me after pressing the just charging icon, I haven't tried the other options | 09:04 |
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| TheBootroo | anyone with # ~2500 shipped ? | 09:04 |
| micko_ | but with the samsung charger it doesn't ask anything | 09:04 |
| MMori | micko_: Two hours? :o | 09:04 |
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| celeron55 | micko_: sounds likely that the charger is dead | 09:04 |
| micko_ | MMori: maybe 2,5 but not 3 | 09:04 |
| MMori | My phone has been charging for 3.5 hours now and it's gone up from ~46% - 81% | 09:05 |
| micko_ | celeron55: I gotta test it some more. perhaps there just was a bad connection | 09:05 |
| MMori | I've tried two cables already... | 09:06 |
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| Tofe | morning | 09:07 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: hi, how is your first day with the precious ? | 09:07 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: great :) | 09:08 |
| tachikom1 | hey TheBootroo :) | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: hey | 09:08 |
| celeron55 | MMori: sounds like the charger that comes with jolla has smaller current output than the samsung's one micko_ used | 09:08 |
| Tofe | The design is really good, and even if there are some bugs here and there, the overall impression is very good | 09:08 |
| ln- | 00:10 < ln-> hmm, i tried to charge N9 with jolla's charger, and N9 said not enough power. | 09:09 |
| Tofe | Ah, yes, about the charger: what is the recommended power to give to a Jolla ? | 09:09 |
| faenil | 1A afaik | 09:10 |
| Tofe | I have various usb charger, not one has the same power output :) | 09:10 |
| faenil | I use 2A playbook charger :D | 09:10 |
| micko_ | btw is there a sailfish developer here who might know about why mosh gives errors related to setgid? I asked about this at #mosh and they didn't have much idea | 09:10 |
| Tofe | well, I wouldn't want to burn the usb port | 09:10 |
| MMori | celeron55: I'll test it now. | 09:11 |
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| Tofe | cybette: ping | 09:11 |
| micko_ | from command line mosh works perfectly, but I'm trying to make fingerterm icon that automatically starts mosh. that's when I the error (I'll paste it soon) | 09:12 |
| faenil | Tofe, 2A is the max, it won't give that if phone doesn't take it...afaik | 09:12 |
| Tofe | ok | 09:13 |
| micko_ | "Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setgid at /usr/bin/mosh line 204." | 09:13 |
| yanoo | anyone got yandex working? phone not supported country code, captcha got problems with connection... | 09:13 |
| micko_ | the samsung charger I used is 2A | 09:14 |
| Tofe | yanoo: looks like setting the phone to english for the setup of yandex helps | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | yanoo: switch to english language, then register, then to original language | 09:14 |
| DeeGee_ | I haven't tried the Jolla's own charger yet, but N9 and N900 chargers have worked fine, except for N9 charger sometimes asking for data/charging. I have just replugged the charger properly again and it has started just charging. | 09:15 |
| yanoo | Tofe, Stskeeps: thanks! | 09:15 |
| Tofe | ah, I have a question: how do I change the background image of the main screen ? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: gallery -> create ambience | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | for that picture | 09:16 |
| Tofe | ah, I know I found it once :) thanks | 09:16 |
| Jope_ | DeeGee_, if you don't plug it in all the way at once, it'll show the mode select screen.. but you can just leave it in and it will start charging by itself | 09:16 |
| Tofe | btw, this morning, when I woke up, the phone was all hung, and I lost my ambiance image | 09:17 |
| Jope_ | ground + power get connected first before the data pins, so the phone doesn't detect the charger if it isn't plugged in in one motion | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: did you update? | 09:18 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: yes, yesterday, it went fine | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok, not good, got developer mode? | 09:18 |
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| Tofe | no, not yet :) | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | when you do, mkdir -p /var/log/journal | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | it may increase logging/space usage, but will help diagnose future things | 09:19 |
| nander | Right now, more devices have been received than there are in picking | 09:19 |
| Tofe | ok, will do that soon; I didn't install yet the terminal app, and I don't have wifi at home here | 09:20 |
| Frye | Btw are others seeing the "leds" only as half leds on mail application | 09:20 |
| Tofe | (which is quite frustrating, for such phone!) | 09:20 |
| Frye | For me they are 50% out of screen | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | Frye: screenshot? | 09:20 |
| Frye | sec | 09:20 |
| faenil | Frye, yes normal | 09:20 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, indicators on left of each email | 09:21 |
| Frye | faenil, yes those exactly | 09:21 |
| Tofe | another little bug: when put in favorites, the gps setting icon is a bit too high, maybe become there is no "activation circle", like on others | 09:21 |
| Tofe | because* | 09:21 |
| faenil | Frye, I think it's intended otherwise they would take up precious space :) | 09:21 |
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| Frye | yeah | 09:22 |
| faenil | Tofe, tracking already ;) | 09:22 |
| Azog | when gps is activated, is it always on and drains power? | 09:22 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: plan for next 6-12 month... make a device without the same hardware flaw a third time... I have one charger with which the touchscreen goes crazy on my N9... same for Jolla... | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: hmmm. | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: if you're interested, you can probably send that charger in | 09:23 |
| Frye | But I'm happy to see that I have no issues having location on always after the update | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: we do surprisingily nasty things during product testing | 09:23 |
| faenil | chem|st, it does the same on Lumia800, fwiw | 09:23 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I trust you for that :) | 09:23 |
| faenil | chem|st, and on BB Z10, iirc...so... | 09:24 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: That's good to hear. :) | 09:24 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: sure... and did you read about synching last night? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: no | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | i was asleep, happily | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
| chem|st | I synced from n9 happily ever after I reset the phone | 09:25 |
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| flux | chem|st, so now your n9 is reset as well? | 09:25 |
| chem|st | no popup no notification nothing... | 09:25 |
| flux | hmm, I mean jolla? | 09:25 |
| chem|st | flux: no I reset the jolla and hit sync on n9 again and it just synced | 09:25 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps any near future plans tackling the energy consumption issues? | 09:26 |
| cybette | Tofe: pong | 09:27 |
| faenil | Milo-, working on that | 09:27 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ambiences went missing at some point when installing the white TOH when shop error occured, ssu domain jolla | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: energy consumption is such a not very descriptive way of describing things, -- in practice, it can be everything from applications waking up a little too much, data traffic when not needed, etc | 09:28 |
| chem|st | how do I get the phone to show in XP? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: naturally we look into everything we can fine | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: get XP SP2 or higher, released in 2004 i hear | 09:28 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: no way there are releases... (on SP3) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm. | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | shoould work on SP3 with MTP | 09:29 |
| chem|st | it recognizes all hardware but there is no single driver available per default | 09:29 |
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| chem|st | camera icon shows up as armv7hl | 09:30 |
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| chem|st | but that is for sure not what you wanted to export... | 09:30 |
| Morpog_N9 | chem|st, you do realize that in 4 months xp extended lifetime support is over? | 09:31 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps my biggest concern is that the load average is constantly over 0.50 (avg over 15 minutes) | 09:32 |
| chem|st | Morpog_N9: tell that to my CEO... | 09:32 |
| Milo- | which means it is doing something in the background, even after rebooting. | 09:32 |
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| faenil | Milo-, is that 50%, or 0.50% :P | 09:34 |
| Milo- | 50 % of course. | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | hi | 09:35 |
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| Morpog_N9 | proba | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: interesting, is there a process using 50% of cpu? | 09:35 |
| faenil | sounds a bit high | 09:35 |
| faenil | unless it's a temporary thing | 09:35 |
| Morpog_N9 | probably tracker | 09:35 |
| Milo- | faenil 15 minute load average says that it's not temporary. | 09:35 |
| Morpog_N9 | kill it with fire | 09:35 |
| faenil | Milo-, no it doesn't :) | 09:35 |
| Milo- | even after the device has been on the desk, untouched, for two hours. | 09:35 |
| faenil | Milo-, could have been some very intensive task done in that period of time | 09:36 |
| faenil | (core tasks, I mean) | 09:36 |
| nander | like the nsa spyware | 09:36 |
| faenil | nander, yeah :) | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | 50% or 100% cpu? 0.5 load avg on a dual core system normally means that | 09:36 |
| Milo- | 50 % means half a core. | 09:36 |
| nander | .5 load is one core 50% | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | or means that it's somewhat like openbsd which runs at relatively high load avg but nothing is on the cpu | 09:37 |
| faenil | yes | 09:37 |
| Milo- | one dual core it could go as far as 2.0 | 09:37 |
| Milo- | on* | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | also, we aggressively scale down cpu frequency. | 09:37 |
| nander | so it's .5 of 400 MHz? | 09:37 |
| faenil | could be, not that easy to say | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | @Jolla, remember to ship my phone today or tomorow at least, else I will have issues to get it for Christmas, KTHXBY | 09:37 |
| Milo- | ggabriel according to top, nothing goes above 3 % cpu usage. | 09:37 |
| nander | TheBootroo, everyone has that issue | 09:38 |
| Milo- | but then again, top isn't very good for profiling :) | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: that was my question :) | 09:38 |
| nander | I have the same problem | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | so it doesn't necessarily mean that a particular process is using cpu | 09:38 |
| TheBootroo | nander: are you leaving for holidays ? i mean changing coutrny ? | 09:38 |
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| phaeron | could be io ? | 09:38 |
| nander | I will be just as unable to get my device from home as you will be ;) | 09:38 |
| phaeron | iotop is in mer-tools | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: do you know at what frequency the cpu is running? | 09:39 |
| nander | It's a pity you can't put a conditional shipping address | 09:39 |
| Milo- | ggabriel two major contributors are fingerterm itself (uses 6 % when top is running) and lipstick, which has memory map of 10 % and cpu usage of 2.5 %, but nothing odd about that. | 09:39 |
| nander | Like: if eta after december 20th, send to .... | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: suggest that you leave a process reporting the load avg with nohup and close the terminal then :) | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | (not sure what lipstick is) | 09:40 |
| nander | Ah, class was moved to yesterday, I forgot.. Now I looked at my timetable and I remember.. | 09:40 |
| nander | That's a pity | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | i'd do it myself if i had the phone ;-) | 09:40 |
| flux | the repositories have a 'perf' kernel for jolla, but I don't know if those can just be installed and they work | 09:40 |
| flux | or will they brick it :) | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: did you notice the spreadsheet hardly lose 1% since Thursday night ? still ~46% unprocessed | 09:41 |
| Milo- | ggabriel that's why I'm more into staring at the 15 minute avg, as fingerterm itself causes anomaly to one and five minute averages. | 09:41 |
| Trizt | Any status on the image flasher for jolla? | 09:41 |
| petantik | cross compile perf! | 09:41 |
| TheBootroo | really scaring | 09:42 |
| nander | I'm gonna send info@jolla.com an email asking them for an ETA. I have to tell my parents when I'm going there as well | 09:42 |
| ShadowJK | increase top refresh time to something big like 600s? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: we cannot provide flashing images as there's bits we cannot redistribute which aren't ours, we've however been working on a very nice recovery functionality. | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: fair enough, i'll test it when i have it :) | 09:43 |
| Trizt | Hmm... Sorry to sound negative, but feels the find5 should been picked as hw... | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: tbh, not sure the spreadsheet is indicative of anytrhing any more. i'm asking. patience is key | 09:43 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Stskeeps: So if we tinker with the wrong function? | 09:43 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: completely outdated ? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: if you break something with developer mode, you get to keep both pieces | 09:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Both pieces? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | yep, breaking something usually yields two pieces | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:44 |
| Pnuu | MFaro-Tusino: figure of speech | 09:45 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 09:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Yeah, device and the other half :p | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'd recommend waiting for the recovery functionality making it into your devices though | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | Should be fine really, if recovery lives inside its own partition with its own kernel, and the unredtributable bits have a copy in there, then build a "flashing" on top of that where the rescue partition can accept a new image and to finish it off copies the unredistributable bits back? | 09:45 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: not necessarily only 2... most things I break end up in many peices... | 09:45 |
| jussi | :P | 09:45 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: what if someone would leak the flasher by 'mistake', dont think anyone here would mind ;) | 09:45 |
| Pnuu | hmm, I still have a update (downgrade) to .10 available | 09:46 |
| Trizt | How well will the recovery work? All disasters except hw fault? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: similar to factory reset in device | 09:46 |
| petantik | Does wifi support 802.1x authentication? | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | and recovery will have additional stuff later | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: and leaking anything in jolla is akin to having to walk the plank with a lot of sharks underneath :P | 09:47 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo5 Backupmenu-like clone in recovery partiton would be kick-ass :P | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: would be nice to say 'revert to snapshot X' | 09:49 |
| ShadowJK | I don't trust snapshots | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: our factory reset is a snapshot | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:50 |
| ShadowJK | I trust tar more than filesystems subjected to random resets and powerloss, with its underlying physical storage giving you a random non-monotonic snapshot in time of old and new data mixed :/ | 09:51 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps; how does it affect storage, estimated after 2 years, how much extra would it take up of the storage? | 09:52 |
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| Trizt | And performance issues? | 09:52 |
| ShadowJK | If you dont make more snapshots, the modifications take up more space | 09:53 |
| Milo- | okay. managed to find the cpufreq file. according to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[01]/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq, it's 1404000. | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: we've yet to see any performance issues | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: that's a snapshot, you'll wnat to look at stats instead | 09:53 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: I hope no deduplication feature enabled | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | Also cpuidle stats | 09:54 |
| Turski | Milo-: and changes quite fast and ofter | 09:54 |
| Turski | often* | 09:54 |
| Milo- | ah. | 09:54 |
| Milo- | I'll take a look at that later on. | 09:54 |
| Turski | Milo-: see alto stats | 09:54 |
| jreznik | petantik: seems like not - Sorry. Could not connect to selected network | 09:55 |
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| jreznik | so I should check if vpnc is available, otherwise no way how to connect to Zimbra (seems like there's no option for client certs) | 09:56 |
| Tofe | cybette: would thursday be ok, for you ? faenil, too ? | 09:56 |
| Tofe | (and whoever wants a beer/coffee in Tampere :) ) | 09:57 |
| faenil | okay by me ;) | 09:57 |
| Trizt | Sorry for asking in the wrong chan, sailfish has it support for notifications like maemo/meego wich flashes ontop of everything? (yellowline in N900) | 09:57 |
| faenil | Trizt, yes | 09:57 |
| MMori | ok, so I changed to samsung charger and the battery went up from 80%-100% in about 40 minutes. Compared to Jolla charger: That went up from 46%-80% in 3.5 hours | 09:58 |
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| Trizt | Faenil: thanks | 09:59 |
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| Frye | Hmm, when I select Download for a system update and screen goes blank all information about what is going on is lot =) | 10:09 |
| Frye | There is the cover for settings page but it goes back to about product | 10:09 |
| Frye | Is the status about the download somewhere? | 10:09 |
| tobiski | woop woop, my jolla has arrived to my city | 10:09 |
| Frye | Ah, notification screen :-) | 10:09 |
| Frye | I'm so blind today | 10:10 |
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| tabasko_ | Frye: there is, boat image has at bottom has first dimmed look and it fades away depenging download status | 10:13 |
| tabasko_ | I dont how to say it | 10:13 |
| tabasko_ | has has | 10:13 |
| Frye | k | 10:14 |
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| TheBootroo | tobiski: i think we can say... the small ship in being shipped ! YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | tobiski: hehe | 10:16 |
| Frye | What? You have status update? | 10:16 |
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| TheBootroo | Frye: not me, tobiski | 10:17 |
| Frye | ah | 10:17 |
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| TheBootroo | Frye: if that was me, the 'yeah' would have beeen longer and louder | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 10:18 |
| Frye | hehe | 10:18 |
| Frye | Well I did hear that one already all the way to Finland. | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | heeh | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | mine would go to the borders of universe | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: in space nobody can hear you scream | 10:19 |
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| Frye | They can when he receives his Jolla :D | 10:19 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: Yesyesyesyes! :D | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | (I hear google is patenting sound through space though) | 10:20 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: XD | 10:20 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: not yet | 10:20 |
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| MMori | TheBootroo: Not? | 10:20 |
| TheBootroo | my refresh script still shows bloody "Paid" | 10:20 |
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| MMori | Ah darn, I just read the loudest yeah from the conversation. :D | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: not me, i was talking about tobiski ---> <11:08:06> tobiski : woop woop, my jolla has arrived to my city | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: hehe | 10:21 |
| tachikom1 | TheBootroo: which number is tobiski ? | 10:21 |
| MMori | :( | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: ask him | 10:21 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: but you'll get your woop woop moment soon ^^ | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: but i'm sure he's finn | 10:21 |
| tachikom1 | well, that doesn't count then, does it? | 10:22 |
| tobiski | tachikom1: second-wave 100002271 finland | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: REALLY soon ? or just Soon(TM) ? | 10:22 |
| MMori | :P | 10:22 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: Any moment ;) | 10:22 |
| nander | You'll get yours in 10 :) | 10:22 |
| nander | Unit of time unspecified | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | nander: grrrr | 10:23 |
| nander | or, like the saying goes: before christmas | 10:23 |
| nander | might be christmas 2014 though | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | i find it quite funny that some peeps expect jolla to change their delivery address to wherever they go on holidays | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | i think i'll ask jolla to pop the phone through the chimney | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | even amazon can do that | 10:25 |
| nander | It took them a month to deliver.. | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | no, it didn't | 10:25 |
| nander | 2 weeks 6 days atm | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | quite less than a month if you ask me | 10:25 |
| nander | For me the problem occurs after 3 weeks 4 days or so | 10:25 |
| nahkiss | tobiski: what time did it change? | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | or much more than a month if you count from when you paid 100/40e | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | anyway, i find it funny, that's all | 10:26 |
| tobiski | nahkiss: changed to what? arrived my city? | 10:27 |
| nander | I know at least 1 Jolla exists ;) | 10:27 |
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| nander | So it isn't an elaborate scam ;) | 10:27 |
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| nahkiss | tobiski: yeah when did you order status change if it did | 10:27 |
| nander | Or a very elaborate one ;) | 10:27 |
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| tobiski | order status in jolla webshop changed yesterday morning to "In Picking" and 12 hours after that it changed to "Shipped" and today about an hour ago it arrived to my city | 10:28 |
| nander | are you finnish? | 10:28 |
| tobiski | yes | 10:28 |
| tachikom1 | dear mister lalala. I'm the former head of the jolla business. Unfortunatly i have a huge fortune of 2.5 million euro that i can;t get out of the country without your help .... | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | tachikom1: damnit, you're on to something | 10:29 |
| tachikom1 | insert random nigeria scam content here | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
| nahkiss | well, I guess jolla will actually keep their promise of deliver before xmas | 10:30 |
| nahkiss | was kinda worries already | 10:30 |
| TheBootroo | nahkiss: i wouldn't be so sure | 10:30 |
| TheBootroo | shipment has actually slowed down since friday | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | tachikom1: lol | 10:30 |
| nahkiss | 1...31xx so it's only 1000 phones between us | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | nander: before xmas for .fi; in december for the remainder of the orders | 10:31 |
| tobiski | nahkiss: in finland the last day of shipping is tomorrow, if you want to get it before christmas | 10:31 |
| TheBootroo | like if they are finishing the processed order but not starting new ones, like if they are waiting to receive more Jolla from China factory | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | let's call a spade, a spade, shall we? | 10:31 |
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| nander | TheBootroo, shipment hasn't, the start of the picking phase has | 10:31 |
| nahkiss | well they better ship it tomorrow then :P | 10:31 |
| TheBootroo | nahkiss: oh, you Finn, so then yes, you'll get it soon | 10:31 |
| nander | Friday it was 50% paid, 46% in picking, 2% shipped, 2% arrived or so | 10:32 |
| tachikom1 | i just love the daily communbity create stats on jolla deliveries | 10:32 |
| * ShadowJK is "paid" also :P | 10:32 | |
| tachikom1 | thats so awesome | 10:32 |
| ShadowJK | for your spreadsheets | 10:32 |
| nander | Now it's 46% paid, 17% in picking, 13% shipped, 21% arrived | 10:32 |
| nander | So a LOT changed | 10:32 |
| nahkiss | I wouldn't call that spreadsheet very reliable | 10:32 |
| nander | 34% of all devices have left Jolla HQ | 10:33 |
| nahkiss | I doubt many update it once they get the phone | 10:33 |
| nander | But they do update if they get to 'shipped' | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: agree | 10:33 |
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| ggabriel | i think ppl lost interest | 10:33 |
| nander | Or if they get to 'in picking' | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | nander: i doubt it | 10:33 |
| TheBootroo | nander: nope, pacakges given to fedex have been delivered, yes, but that's fedex job, but on its side jolla is too slow in sending the remaining damn bloody thingyes | 10:33 |
| nander | We don't actually know what happens on each step | 10:33 |
| TheBootroo | 34% at 8 days from Xmas is really too few | 10:34 |
| nander | Like: what does 'in picking' mean precisely | 10:34 |
| nander | They never promised Xmas | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | they did actually | 10:34 |
| nahkiss | they didn't? | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | 'in picking' means chargin the phone with electrolytes at least | 10:34 |
| nander | They promised december | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | which is a delicate thing to do | 10:34 |
| nander | Look it up in your mail | 10:34 |
| nahkiss | "Mikäli olet maksanut kokonaisuudessaan ennakkotilauksesi, Jollasi toimitetaan sinulle jouluksi." -> If you have paid your pre-order in full amount, your jolla will be delivered to you by christmas | 10:35 |
| nander | That's the finnish mail | 10:35 |
| nander | Different to the EU mail | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | yeap, the EU email is in december | 10:35 |
| nander | Finland got priority | 10:35 |
| nander | Probably because of DNA | 10:35 |
| nander | DNA wanted to start sales before christmas | 10:36 |
| nander | And that's a good idea.. | 10:36 |
| nander | However, I think selling jolla's at the moment should come with a warning | 10:36 |
| nander | The software IS unfinished | 10:36 |
| chem|st | +1 | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | nander: they do, there's a big "Beta" in the ads | 10:36 |
| nander | ah ;) | 10:36 |
| Bysmyyr | can someone link some nice ads from finland | 10:37 |
| nahkiss | it doesn't save much tbh | 10:37 |
| nahkiss | whatever ads? | 10:37 |
| nahkiss | lingerie ads? | 10:37 |
| nander | Jolla ;) | 10:37 |
| nander | Jolla lingerie ? Strange other half choice | 10:37 |
| * ggabriel refuses to follow up on the lingerie other half idea | 10:38 | |
| nander | I wonder, how many jolla's are there in finland right now? | 10:38 |
| kopla | Hi, I can't send email (Saunalahti account) with Jolla. Shows error "Problem with sync". Works in N9 with the same settings. I suppose you are already aware of this error or are you? | 10:38 |
| ggabriel | nander: my estimation is ~10k, including unsold ones | 10:38 |
| nander | If I walked through helsinki right now, what would be my chance of seeing a jolla in the wild | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | kopla: which service? and in particular, does your smtp user differ from your email address? | 10:39 |
| nander | I know that when I go to class this afternoon my chance of seeing a jolla is ~ 1 | 10:39 |
| Pnuu | nander: I've seen three in the wild in helsinki | 10:39 |
| nander | (100%) | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | nander: 0.1% or so? | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | actually 0.01% | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | maybe | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | i can't remember .fi's population | 10:39 |
| Pnuu | and two random people have commented to me "oh, you have a jolla" | 10:40 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: 5.5M | 10:40 |
| nander | Wikipedia ;) | 10:40 |
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| nander | I estimated 6m | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: ta, then .002% then, roughly | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | assuming that you see the phone that everybody has | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | and that the P of bumping into people is uniform, which it isn't | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | so it's a very wild assumption ;-) | 10:41 |
| nander | if you take the subway it is quite an uniform selection ;) | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | but unrepresentative of the whole population | 10:42 |
| kopla | ggabriel: username is email address (example test@nic.fi) | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | the problem is with the question: what's your chance to bump into a jolla in whichever city | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | kopla: then i don't know (i don't have a jolla). all i know is that if your smtp user is different from your email address, sending doesn't work yet | 10:43 |
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| VDVsx_ | kopla, are you using encrypted connection ? if so are you using Saunalahti data network or do you have a paid account ? afaik encrypted smtp only works when in Saunalahti network or if you have payed service | 10:45 |
| ggabriel | VDVsx_: wow, you read between the lines a lot more than i did ;-) | 10:46 |
| kopla | VDVsx_: noup encrypted | 10:46 |
| kopla | VDVsx_: my operator is Elisa | 10:47 |
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| rcg | what could be the reason for the phone not connecting to a wpa2 (iirc peap) secured wlan? | 10:49 |
| rcg | for me there is even no configuration dialog showing up. it just says something about a problem with the connection | 10:50 |
| JvD_ | I had the same issue and I just went away after reboot | 10:50 |
| VDVsx_ | kopla, can you link me to the Saunalahti page with the email settings you are using(iphone, android is ok), finnish is ok | 10:50 |
| rcg | JvD_, alright, i rebooted already once, will give it another try | 10:51 |
| kopla | VDVsx_: in finnish page http://asiakastuki.saunalahti.fi/ohje/289/#sahkopostin-asetukset | 10:51 |
| VDVsx_ | kopla, so you are using imaps.saunalahti.fi and port 25 for smtp ? | 10:53 |
| rcg | JvD_, hmm nope.. seems not to do the trick. trying once more | 10:53 |
| kopla | VDVsx_: no, posti.saunalahti.fi port 25 | 10:53 |
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| rcg | ah, it seems to not support anything else except wpa2 psk? | 10:56 |
| rcg | well, dunno about wep et al. but seems to not be capable of doing something like peap | 10:56 |
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| ggabriel | rcg: i read today that peap/eap wasn't supported as yet | 10:58 |
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| ggabriel | i believe this was the case with the n9 at the very beginning too (can't remember really) | 10:58 |
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| ggabriel | rcg: presumably, that's to connect the phone to your company wifi, right? | 10:59 |
| nadriel | Am I right, MMS not supported yet? | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | nander: that's correct | 10:59 |
| faenil | nander, right | 10:59 |
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| rcg | ggabriel, yes, just set up connection sharing via my laptop using wpa2 psk and this works | 11:05 |
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| rcg | interestingly 3g data seems to not work as well | 11:06 |
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| ggabriel | rcg: yeah, i remmber giving up on peap on the grounds of paranoia ;-) | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | rcg: 3g is another story, that should work | 11:06 |
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| whippler | i just recently go it, and read about it rolling out hours ago. I ques they roll it out gradually to devices | 11:08 |
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| chem|st | how do I change the credentials you input right at the beginning? | 11:10 |
| VDVsx_ | kopla, that server does not advertise any auth options, at least over telnet, strange, if you have developer mode on, we can check the logs | 11:10 |
| chem|st | "personal info" | 11:10 |
| kopla | VDVsx_: developer mode is activated | 11:11 |
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| VDVsx_ | kopla, in contact you pv them, easier to describe the steps | 11:12 |
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| rcg | ggabriel, well, will update to latest version first | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | rcg: that's a good idea ;-) | 11:13 |
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| rcg | ggabriel, hehe, that's why i set up the wlan connection sharing via the laptop in the first place. ;) | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | rcg: so you set up an "ad hoc" wlan through your laptop? | 11:16 |
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| rcg | ggabriel, yep | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | rcg: interesting, somebody said that that didn't work | 11:18 |
| rcg | ggabriel, well, i just configured my wlan interface as shared connection via the nm kde applet | 11:19 |
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| ggabriel | rcg: cool, good to know | 11:21 |
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| chem|st | and clipboard is stuck... | 11:26 |
| chem|st | I have an entry in clipboard now but cannot replace it... | 11:27 |
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| tabasko_ | chem|st: are you trying to replace it with android app? | 11:28 |
| tabasko_ | android apps and native seem to have different clipboards :/ | 11:28 |
| tabasko_ | or, android apps doesnt have clipboard | 11:29 |
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| chem|st | tabasko_: no I only have yandex store installed for now no other apps | 11:32 |
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| tabasko_ | odd | 11:34 |
| tabasko_ | beta beta | 11:34 |
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| tabasko_ | tought copypaste doesnt work in many places yet. Browser or mail | 11:35 |
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| tabasko_ | so its not that usefull now | 11:35 |
| chem|st | tabasko_: I can paste everywhere I can input text... | 11:35 |
| chem|st | at least what I tried yet | 11:35 |
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| tabasko_ | chem|st: but copy? | 11:36 |
| tabasko_ | butt copy | 11:36 |
| chem|st | I have copied my mailserveraddress wehn setting up accounts... that is stuck there now... | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | tabasko_: reboot helped, it is working again... for now | 11:43 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey guys | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Hey | 11:44 |
| chem|st | hmm now it is autoclipboarding what I highlight... that is also not expected... | 11:44 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: that's how it works, it says so in the guide at least :-) | 11:45 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: ok | 11:45 |
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| chem|st | a copy to clipboard button would be better but ok... | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | actually, i thought that that was a cool feature | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | saves you time | 11:47 |
| chem|st | if you know it... | 11:47 |
| chem|st | but for replacing | 11:47 |
| chem|st | and calc has only paste no copy... | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | but it works for replacing too | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | or at least it should | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | i need a phone to tell you if it's actually that cool :) | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | i'm working on what i know that others reported and what i read | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | maybe you can have a setting for that too, it shouldn't be too hard | 11:50 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: you cannot replace as what you highlight gets into the clipboard so you highlight delete and paste and end up with what you just deleted | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i see your point | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | so you add an extra step: paste, select and delete | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | instead of select+paste | 11:51 |
| Morpog_N9 | my package arrived at home! Can't wait to drive home from job :D | 11:53 |
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| ggabriel | Morpog_N9: woohoo! | 11:54 |
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| tabasko_ | Morpog_N9: its funny how naturally you probably start to use it out of box. If you are coming from N9 :P | 11:54 |
| tabasko_ | only learning thing to do was notification area from down | 11:55 |
| tabasko_ | usually I swiped apps away from down with N9 | 11:55 |
| Morpog_N9 | well, my nickname tell everything :) | 11:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | can someone send me the jolla ringtone? | 11:56 |
| tabasko_ | thats where I guessed you are N9 user as well :P | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N9 | seems that the old download link doesn't work anymore | 11:56 |
| Morpog_N9 | Venemo_N9, you can download it on jolla homepage | 11:56 |
| tabasko_ | Venemo_N9: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iddfifcq53sftl5/Jolla.zip | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_N9 | thanks tabasko_ | 11:57 |
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| tabasko_ | nb | 11:57 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: if you replace something you highlight what you want to replace... having it save2cb refuses this behaviour... as I know it now I can handle it, I am used to mousebuffer... others will hate it from time to time | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: not sure i understood your last point. regardless, this is good feedback for jolla. | 12:02 |
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| cybette | Tofe|Away: sure :) | 12:02 |
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| chem|st | also why do all 4 swipe possibilities [home,lockscreen;left|right] have to be ambience-selector? And the ambience selector needs an edgeswipe to go back if opened accidentially... | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: you can get rid of ambiance by not having any favourite ambiance. that's what i'm planning to do ;-) | 12:05 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: thanks for the tip :-) | 12:05 |
| nadriel | Maybe ambiance that changes during the time. ; ) | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | nadriel: i'm sure "there'll be an app for that" | 12:06 |
| nadriel | Oh it's 8:30 and my ambiance says I need to be in school. | 12:06 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yeah so we have just nothing to edgeswipe? how about one side ambience one side settings-favs | 12:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Cybette: \o | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yeap, somebody else already proposed customisable swipes | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | i would like some of the gestures to be tunable | 12:06 |
| chem|st | nadriel: profilematic will do that I guess | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | IMO right/left should be the same as you tend to do one or the other depending on which hand you are holding the pohne | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | like lockscreen swype left go to camera or something | 12:07 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yes please! | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: maybe suggest that as well to jolla | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | i mean, it isn't a bad idea | 12:07 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: lockscreen has the cam in pulley... don't double things | 12:07 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: i know, i just mean that i would like it if people could tune thos 4 gestures on their own jolla | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | so, everyone's got the jolla but not me? | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | if they want to | 12:09 |
| cybette | MFaro-Tusino: o/ | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_N9: not me... | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_N9: i don't have one, and it'll be definately next year | 12:09 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N9: no hurry... it is bugtracking for now^^ | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | AL13N_work, I meant those that preordered | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | lucky bastard | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: agree, the jolla own't become my next phone until i have caldav (at least) | 12:10 |
| Venemo_N9 | chem|st, but I want it! | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | when i learned of Jolla, it was too late | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | well, bugfix release EOY | 12:10 |
| Venemo_N9 | who cares about caldav when you can have a jolla instead? | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: you might get lucky | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | allthough it sounds like a feature to me | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | so it's likely for january | 12:11 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_N9: i concur that i'll like the toy | 12:11 |
| ggabriel | but i actually use my phone :) | 12:11 |
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| ggabriel | for things like paying stuff, etc | 12:11 |
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| ggabriel | no caldav, no centralised calendar, no luck (or banks charging me stupid amounts for paying late) | 12:11 |
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| ggabriel | and i refuse to rely on google and friends | 12:11 |
| ggabriel | so i'll just have to wait | 12:11 |
| chem|st | Venemo_N9: yeah I was so looking forward and I might keep my n9 a little longer now... as there are some showstoppers like navigation, SIP, wpa-enterprise, caldav... | 12:11 |
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| ggabriel | mind you: i still bought it | 12:12 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: you didn't get the EAP working? | 12:12 |
| chem|st | not yet | 12:12 |
| nadriel | I think they should add either add alarm or clock app in the pulley at main screen. | 12:12 |
| Turski | same here | 12:12 |
| Turski | nadriel: i think it should be customizable | 12:13 |
| nadriel | Yea, even better. | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: is there wpa_supplicant installable? | 12:13 |
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| Turski | i believe it is installed | 12:13 |
| Turski | but i don't know where it gets configs | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: (or installed) | 12:13 |
| nadriel | Well, in settings too, when developer mode enabled there should be more things to se. | 12:13 |
| Turski | (well, connman ofcourse, but how that happens) | 12:13 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: no idea I have no wifi... | 12:14 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: if there is, you could add a network on /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf | 12:14 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: (if it's installed) | 12:14 |
| chem|st | my winxp wont do anything with it but show me scrambled eggs camerafolder | 12:14 |
| AL13N_work | mpt probably | 12:15 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: you could configure your internet via the usb, if you want, though i have no idea how windows copes with such a thing | 12:15 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: it is all setup from n9, but my windows does not like to have new stuff plugged in it seems... | 12:16 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: maybe you should just use linux | 12:17 |
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| chem|st | I am at work... no linux but my phones... | 12:17 |
| * AL13N_work is a Mageia distro contributor, i can recommend that :-) | 12:17 | |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: oh, you poor thing | 12:17 |
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| AL13N_work | i'm at work too, but i have linux at work | 12:17 |
| chem|st | yeah pitty me | 12:17 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: don't you have a headache? fever maybe? it's better to go back home, no point spreading illnesses | 12:18 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: that was what I thought yesterday when I rcognized that the package arrived^^ still 2 days to go till vacation | 12:19 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: :-) | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: the force is strong with you | 12:19 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: juice mate... juice! | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i guess it's easy when work != home | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | some days work == home for me, and it's impossible not to play with toys | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | i can just handle not playing games | 12:21 |
| chem|st | so third attempt for usb networking... winxp does not see a device and does not want to install drivers... | 12:21 |
| chem|st | are you kidding me... I am physically at work... I should open symposia registration today and haven't written a single line yet... | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | i'd be surprised if winxp supports network devices via usb.... | 12:23 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: I just get a "sorry" note when trying to connect to any of the hotspots here | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | ppp at best | 12:23 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it does, been there done that | 12:23 |
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| TheBootroo | @jolla, please bring unprocessed order % to ~0.99% by the night | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: do you use any home hosted service for caldav or anything mainstream? | 12:36 |
| * ggabriel wonders if jolla can import an ics file with multiple calendar entries :) | 12:37 | |
| * tachikom1 wonders if he can do all that on the commandline | 12:38 | |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, plenty of errors like "-2 bad parameters" when copying mp3 collection from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS using Nautilus to Jolla. Is there some file name, character or other limitations? | 12:40 |
| Pnuu | mcfrisk: I got that too, looked like it came when I copied directory trees | 12:41 |
| mcfrisk | Pnuu: yes, large directories produce errors. Split the copy-paste selection to half and seems to work better, though some files still fail. Was hoping for raw mass media access and rsync... | 12:42 |
| mcfrisk | though copying all photos and videos from N9 did work, so seems to be only my mp3's which have the problems. | 12:43 |
| phdeswer | mcfrisk: rysnc should be possible over ssh. Anyway copying over ssh/sftp is 2 to 3 times faster than the mtp | 12:43 |
| phdeswer | A lot less overhead | 12:43 |
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| leszek | hi | 12:44 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm | 12:44 |
| flux | rsync works and is preinstalled iirc | 12:45 |
| CoderCandy | How do I know if Jolla has shipped my phone? | 12:45 |
| flux | rsync over ssh that is | 12:45 |
| CoderCandy | Will they send an email or similar? | 12:45 |
| flux | (though I tried to make backupc work over it but with little success..) | 12:45 |
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| leszek | I think I got a strange bug. 3g/umts data connection not working. It stays on deactivated even if the dot left to it is on. Any workaround ? | 12:45 |
| leszek | CoderCandy: they send me an mail | 12:45 |
| CoderCandy | okay, then they haven't even shipped my phone :( | 12:46 |
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| CoderCandy | 3-4 weeks... I know they said that, and 3 weeks haven't passed yet... it's only been 2 weeks and 5 days | 12:48 |
| CoderCandy | But I'm impatient xD | 12:48 |
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| mcfrisk | CoderCandy: fwiw, I got a Fedex email the same day when the packet arrived in Germany. Ramping up logistics is hard. | 12:50 |
| phdeswer | mcfrisk: did you get any more info then those "-2 bad parameters" errors? | 12:51 |
| CoderCandy | Ah, how long did it take for your order to get to you mcfrisk ? | 12:51 |
| mcfrisk | phdeswer: yes, all the time, have to kill the popups, also got -1 errors | 12:51 |
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| phdeswer | mcfrisk: is there anything else in the popups? hex code or anything? | 12:51 |
| mcfrisk | phdeswer, Nautilus detail shows: Error writing file: -2: Bad parameters | 12:52 |
| phdeswer | mcfrisk: ok. Thanks! Passing on the info | 12:52 |
| pigletto_ | CoderCandy: I've received my jolla yesterday while status in shop yesterday morning was still 'in picking' | 12:54 |
| CoderCandy | My status in shop is "Paid" | 12:54 |
| mcfrisk | phdeswer: so Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, gnome classic, Nautilus, copying 4 gb mp3 stuff to jolla | 12:54 |
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| phdeswer | mcfrisk: ok :) | 12:55 |
| pigletto_ | anyone has working QR code reader? I've tried some from amazon store but all of these fail badly while trying to find camera | 12:55 |
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| Plnt | pigletto: camera is not working in the current version od android layer | 12:57 |
| Plnt | s/od/of/ | 12:58 |
| pigletto | Plnt: thx | 12:58 |
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| leszek | so no tips on getting 3g working ? | 13:06 |
| phdeswer | leszek: I heard some rumours there might be an apn missing for O2 in the UK. Maybe that is your issue? | 13:06 |
| Jonni | pigletto: camera support is coming soon to android layer, after that any android qr code reader should work. | 13:10 |
| sdjayna | leszek: i can confirm that as an o2 user. if you use a virtual operator, or your operator has virtual operators, it's worth double-checking your apn settings.. | 13:10 |
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| leszek | phdeswer: nope I am in germany here @ eplus | 13:10 |
| pigletto | Jonni: good to hear that | 13:10 |
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| leszek | sdjayna: how to check the apn settings on jolla ? | 13:10 |
| pigletto | leszek: seems that I have same issue | 13:11 |
| leszek | ah long press and edit xD | 13:11 |
| sdjayna | leszek: settings->system settings->mobile network->long press on mobile broadband | 13:11 |
| leszek | sdjayna: thx found it | 13:11 |
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| Kabouik | Hi there | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: still 'paid'/ | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:30 |
| rcg | i think the apn config for my 3g operator is not correct in my jolla. any hint how to change that? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: tap the internet/mobile broadband/pigeon provider line and select edit | 13:30 |
| rcg | ah, long press :) | 13:31 |
| rcg | thx Stskeeps | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | so, basically, with the jolla it isn't "did you try switching it off and back on again?" rather, it's "did you try long press?" | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:33 |
| rcg | perfect, that did the trick :) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want to start a designer flame war but sometimes a hint you can long tap would be nie | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ce | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:34 |
| flux | btw, it's nice how the volume buttons work as camera buttons | 13:34 |
| flux | except when you hold the power button down to focus... | 13:34 |
| faenil | flux, eheh | 13:34 |
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| Plnt | is there a way how to delete phone number associated with a contact in people app? | 13:35 |
| MMori | flux or trying to take the photo :) | 13:35 |
| flux | I cannot fathom why cell phone vendors must save that 0.10 cents on having that separate camera button. well, maybe even more than that if it has that half-pressed-state.. | 13:35 |
| Plnt | i tried to do edit -> delte the numbers from the field but if i tap accept the number is back there | 13:35 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: whatever you do, don't bring back clippo dressed as a sailor | 13:37 |
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| Kabouik | Anyone successfully using ssh through USB? Jolla connected in PC connexion mode, SFTP software configured for the USB IP displayed in settings, password is the one I set manually, username is nemo | 13:38 |
| MMori | Plnt: I suppose the field requires at least one character, so it won't accept the change to an empty field? | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | But it fails to connect (time out) | 13:38 |
| Plnt | MMori: yeah, probably.. but i want to delete the field completely :) | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Probably should have selected Developer mode for USB mode, trying that out :o | 13:38 |
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| MMori | Plnt on the phone number press and hold to open a menu with delete | 13:39 |
| Kabouik | I deleted some field numbers and they did not come back Plnt, though it has happened too. I don't know what I changed | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: no, i'm more into HAL9000. "I see you are trying to contact your loved ones. I can't let you do that." | 13:39 |
| Trizt | Gosh mine is in picking now, #2527 | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | lol | 13:39 |
| Plnt | MMori: oh.. now it works. i tried it before but probably didn't last with the holding my finger. thanks! | 13:40 |
| mcfrisk | Uh, a bunch of sailors in my gallery :) | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | SSH through USB doesn't work better with Developer mode as USB mode | 13:40 |
| MMori | Plnt: no problem, I just found out it myself :D | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | Ah that's what I did MMori Plnt, sorry I misunderstood Plnt. I thought you did that already but the field came back | 13:41 |
| Bysmyyr | Kabouik: have you made internet connection to it. In kde I have to do it manually, select computer ip | 13:41 |
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| MMori | Kabouik: It's good we're on the same page now ^^ | 13:41 |
| Kabouik | I'd like to avoid connection, that's is the reason I try to make usb work actually (no WiFi available) | 13:41 |
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| Kabouik | Or I misunderstood what you said Bysmyyr? | 13:42 |
| pp_ | Best to try pinging the usb ip first | 13:43 |
| pp_ | could be a config issue on your pc too | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | No ping response, time out | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | Jolla is connected in "Developer mode", when the USB menu appeared | 13:43 |
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| pp_ | netstat -rn ? (this is on my mac but essentially it needs to look something like: | 13:44 |
| pp_ | 192.168.2 link#8 UCS 2 0 en2 | 13:44 |
| pp_ | 192.168.2.15 1e:9:50:de:ee:57 UHLWIi 1 3619 en2 1185 | 13:44 |
| pp_ | 192.168.2.16 127.0.0.1 UHS 1 0 lo0 | 13:44 |
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| Kabouik | I'm on Windows right now: any alternative to netsat? | 13:44 |
| pp_ | I thought windows had that too | 13:45 |
| merlin1991 | yep windows has it | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | Cmd.exe says it doesn't know netsat | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | netstat ok :o | 13:45 |
| pp_ | stat :-) route print might do the same | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | :<< | 13:45 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah though for routes you need route print | 13:46 |
| Kabouik | Wow wow oww, it shows a lot of stuff | 13:46 |
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| phdeswer | Kabouik: you might have to set up your ip in windows for the interface | 13:46 |
| merlin1991 | Kabouik: you should look at it when you have a few vpns up at the same time, then it shows lots of stuff ;) | 13:46 |
| Kabouik | But I see nothing for the USB Jolla IP (192.168.2.15) | 13:47 |
| pp_ | could need rndis separately? (macos does) | 13:47 |
| Kabouik | How should I do it phdeswer? | 13:47 |
| pp_ | rndis windows usb android tethering search terms?-) | 13:47 |
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| Kabouik | So you say I should try that pp_ http://www.driverscape.com/download/android-usb-ethernet-rndis? | 13:51 |
| Kabouik | http://www.driverscape.com/download/android-usb-ethernet-rndis sorry, my ? broke the url | 13:51 |
| pp_ | I would think windows has something built-in (it's a MS protocol), but I wouldn't know | 13:51 |
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| merlin1991 | pp_: n900 and n9 both needed their own rndis drivers | 13:52 |
| Kabouik | I don't know if I can trust this website, Driverscape | 13:52 |
| pp_ | https://code.google.com/p/android-wired-tether/wiki/FAQ looks like a more reliable source | 13:52 |
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| Kabouik | But that's an apk to install on the Jolla? Seems weird, I just want to browse the filesystem through ssh | 13:53 |
| nahkiss | :( still in "paid" | 13:53 |
| pp_ | nope, just for windows :-) | 13:54 |
| Plnt | Acce: as we discussed the xmpp certificate problem yesterday - i found this thread on talk.maemo.org describing how to workaround it by ignoring the cert (not the best way how to deal with that, but..) .. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92053 | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | Pp the Download section of the code.google pages only gives .apk | 13:55 |
| Kabouik | And a .zip which seems unrelated | 13:55 |
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| pp_ | well, it says xp needs these drivers and later ones have built-in ones :-) | 13:56 |
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| Kabouik | I'm on Windows 8.1 so it might be something else then | 13:57 |
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| Kabouik | I should see 192.168.2.15 in netstat -rn? | 13:58 |
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| pp_ | well, 192.168.2.something (assuming you've setup the interface on the windows side) | 13:59 |
| Kabouik | For what it's worth, the output of netstat -rn, in the Interface section, returns "Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device" | 13:59 |
| Kabouik | With something that looks like a MAC address before, not sure it's actually one | 14:00 |
| Acce | Plnt: Hey, thanks! I got help from special yesterday on the matter and already managed to connect. I also created a signed certificate on startssl though | 14:00 |
| Plnt | Acce: ah, perfect :) | 14:00 |
| pp_ | so just go to network configuration, find rndis and give it 192.168.2.not15 :-) | 14:00 |
| Acce | Plnt: it didn't work until I ignored the ssl error, but I'm not familiar how the signed certificates work, is there some delay until the database of trusted certificates get updated or something? | 14:01 |
| Plnt | Acce: it should work out of the box if the certificate authority cert which signed your cert is present in the phone | 14:02 |
| Kabouik | No RNDIS in there: just bluetooth, local network, 3G (I have a 3G module in the laptop), Nokia N9 and WiFi | 14:02 |
| Acce | Plnt, I see, so probably it wasn't present then | 14:03 |
| Bysmyyr | Kabouik: you have to create internet connection though usb | 14:03 |
| Bysmyyr | I did not looked if someone allready answered) | 14:03 |
| Bysmyyr | I see that as normal internet connection | 14:04 |
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| Kabouik | I get a window asking me a distance access phone number, username and password. Am I in the right place? I don't have such information however. | 14:05 |
| Bysmyyr | what system you have. that do not sound good | 14:07 |
| Kabouik | Windows 8.1 64 | 14:08 |
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| Bysmyyr | I can't help with that, sorry, so only thing that I can say: install linux ;) | 14:10 |
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| Kabouik | Well I would, but colleagues disagree and I still am dependent on some WIndows apps :'( | 14:14 |
| Kabouik | I've tried several times, but in a couple months I feel the missing softwares I need, each time | 14:15 |
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| Kabouik | And then I try again because I like Linux :p | 14:15 |
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| Pnuu | Kabouik: then run windows for those few apps in a virtualbox or something :-) | 14:17 |
| Kabouik | It's really cumbersome for some of them, tried that! | 14:17 |
| Kabouik | Plus there is still an issue with 3D apps, albeit it tends to disappear | 14:17 |
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| pawky | does anyone have a clue why /etc/init.d/xdm restart doesn't work on a Samsung Ativa 7? It gets restarted, but you are still in terminal mode.... only way to restart xwindows is doing a reboot. | 14:24 |
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| flux | maybe because of, well, bugs?-) | 14:24 |
| pawky | flux:... now that's something I must have totally overlooked... | 14:25 |
| flux | try stopping and starting X manually | 14:26 |
| flux | killall X Xorg; sleep 1; X | 14:26 |
| flux | it should do Something(TM) | 14:26 |
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| pawky | flux: well, thats what I did, starting and stopping it manually... | 14:29 |
| pawky | flux: it dies nicely, but when starting it only shows some dmesg info on the screen, and when using another screen doing a /etc/init.d/xdm status it shows its actually running... | 14:30 |
| flux | well, I would just guess that the frame buffer driver is buggy and hasn't really been tested in this scenario. | 14:31 |
| pawky | flux: my guess as well... | 14:31 |
| flux | dmesg may reveal more | 14:31 |
| pawky | well, its no big issue at the moment, i am more fishing if anybody else has noticed this behaviour and some pinpointing on what it might be... | 14:32 |
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| nander | Only 38% left at 'paid' | 14:54 |
| nander | loads of devices became in picking | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | nice, and i'm suspecting those are yesterday's ones ;) | 14:55 |
| AL13N_work | and some people who don't update | 14:55 |
| nander | 2659 | 14:55 |
| nander | highest non-finnish orderno | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | 0/40/100? | 14:55 |
| AL13N_work | didn't is see some 36xx ones? | 14:55 |
| AL13N_work | once? | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | i know some 0 orders were in picking | 14:56 |
| AL13N_work | imho that document is useless | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: gave up on that one a few hours ago | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | (and the tmo thread) | 14:56 |
| AL13N_work | i don't follow tmo, so i donno | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: what version are you on, latest? | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: also, this Simo guy who's marketing his site/documents every hour on twitter is quite annoying | 14:57 |
| nander | Those are all finnish orders | 14:58 |
| nander | The finnish numbers are in the 3xxx series | 14:58 |
| hene- | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9386075/Jolla/20131217_105826.jpg | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: luckily, my twitter feed isn't filled with so many people | 14:58 |
| hene- | from murobbs | 14:58 |
| hene- | some user has those marks on the screen | 14:58 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i don't really use twitter, but for a time, i checked #jolla | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | hene-: ouch, looks bad | 14:58 |
| nander | I know for a fact mine is still 'paid' | 14:58 |
| hene- | ggabriel: from the box | 14:59 |
| nander | It was 5 secs ago ;) | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | it is expected that some faulty devices will be out there | 14:59 |
| hene- | yep | 14:59 |
| AL13N_work | nander: weren't you at 22xx somewhere? | 14:59 |
| nander | 2786 | 14:59 |
| nander | If that number is used it's really unfair | 14:59 |
| AL13N_work | hmm | 14:59 |
| AL13N_work | who really knows | 14:59 |
| nander | Because that number is also based on how fast you could get your payment to work | 14:59 |
| nander | It took me 8 hours to get payment working | 15:00 |
| nander | Because I needed to borrow someones credit card for the payment | 15:00 |
| nander | Since the specially qualified people at the jolla payment dept decided that was the only option for non-finnish customers | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | and is the only way to find out who cares the most (for the most part), though iinm invites to pay were also sent in some kind of order regarding pre-order status | 15:00 |
| nander | No IBAN, no paypal | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, no IBAN? | 15:01 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 15:01 |
| nander | The emails were sent exactly in that order | 15:01 |
| nander | But in the 8 hours a lot of people overtook me | 15:01 |
| phdeswer | nander: IBAN adds a lot of tracking overhead. And well paypal just sucks. | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | nander: as somebody who has set up these things in the past, trust me, cc's and debit cards are the easiest and most reliable | 15:01 |
| AL13N_work | phdeswer: true, but i don't have a credit card | 15:01 |
| nander | I have 2393 when I found out I needed a damned cc | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | not sure which country you are in, but in the uk anybody can get at least a very basic debit card that enables you to buy online | 15:01 |
| phdeswer | Also I think paypal has special annoying rules with company accounts. It is not really company friendly and requires a credit card anyway. | 15:02 |
| ln- | AL13N_work: still that's your problem, not jolla's really | 15:02 |
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| ggabriel | it just requires queuing at a couple of banks until you get one | 15:02 |
| nander | I started again 8 hours later and 400 people overtook me | 15:02 |
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| AL13N_work | ln-: i have debit card | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | paypal is easier | 15:02 |
| nander | Debit didn't work for non-finnish | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | but they already stole money from me, as a buyer, so goodbye paypal | 15:02 |
| AL13N_work | i don't trust paypal and iinm it takes a chunk of the transaction too | 15:02 |
| nander | The ONLY option was CC | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | nander: there are also prepaid cc#s | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | cc's even | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | it just takes longer to get a cc than a paypal account | 15:02 |
| nander | jolla should have communicated about dropping paypal | 15:03 |
| AL13N_work | nander: they probably couldn't in time | 15:03 |
| nander | I would have had a cc in time then | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | much better to not be able to pay than to have your payment held in paypal and nothing happening | 15:03 |
| nander | Now I had to beg a few people before I found someone who'd trust me to use his cc for 414 eur | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | nander: so, I guess you are applying for some cc's now, right? :) | 15:03 |
| nander | I have one | 15:03 |
| nander | First one was a hit | 15:03 |
| nander | They didn't even want to see my loan state | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | see how easy it is? | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | paypal is a myth | 15:04 |
| nander | I'm a student and my student compensation comes in on my account | 15:04 |
| nander | so I could get a cc at my bank | 15:04 |
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| nander | 12 eur per year | 15:04 |
| nander | No additional fees within the EU | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | i got a cc pretty quickly when migrating to another country | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | trust me, that's harder than being a student | 15:04 |
| AL13N_work | imho cc's are way to get assraped | 15:04 |
| nander | You can always cancel payments | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | only if you missuse them, AL13N_work | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | also cc's give you better protection than paypal | 15:05 |
| pp_ | nah, just pay in time, nice extra insurance | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | (45 days vs 90 or 180) | 15:05 |
| AL13N_work | i trust debit card much better | 15:05 |
| nander | and a lot better than debit | 15:05 |
| nander | I prefer debit, but no-one accepts iban | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | but the point is that you couldn't pay with a debit card | 15:05 |
| AL13N_work | ok | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | it isn't so internationally accepted online | 15:06 |
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| AL13N_work | who knows, maybe if they set up an international shop, they will have more options for me | 15:06 |
| pp_ | I drop my jolla -> 3 months of money back (- 50eur or whatnot) | 15:06 |
| ln- | as far as i know, whether debit and e.g. electron are accepted online, depends more on the issuing bank than the payment receiver. | 15:06 |
| nander | A few banks were working on a debit payment system based on iban | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: in time they'll have more payment methods | 15:06 |
| pp_ | home insurance after that (-150e minimum) | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | it's just challenging to set them up | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | not technically, but mostly contractually | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | and dealing with their support and all that | 15:06 |
| AL13N_work | yeah, i've been involved in setting up payment gateways | 15:07 |
| pp_ | and if it hadn't ever shipped, it wouldn't be my problem either | 15:07 |
| nander | By the way, did anyone find a protective cover for jolla yet? | 15:07 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: you got these test phases and acceptance phases and whatnot | 15:07 |
| AL13N_work | bah | 15:07 |
| nander | Like the one that shipped with the n9? | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | nander: somebody 3d printed one | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | but no accessories as yet | 15:08 |
| nander | But there should be other devices with the same shape/size? | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: it's not really a TOH, it's more of a TOH+phone holder | 15:08 |
| anonfriese_ | guys my jolla is there, jay :) | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: yeah, that works as protective thingy :) | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | anonfriese_: woohoo | 15:08 |
| nander | we're still waiting on the stl files.. | 15:08 |
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| ggabriel | man, i want a bling toh | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | ah, you meant it like that | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | with diamonds and gold | 15:08 |
| metallisto | Does anyone know how to mount jolla with usb on ubuntu? In ubuntu I get an error that the content cannot be displayed | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | that's what nander asked i think | 15:08 |
| anonfriese_ | thanks to all of you guys who made that possible :) | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | metallisto: install mtp in ubuntu | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | metallisto: just like an android device | 15:09 |
| covox | ggabriel: it'd go well with my sick bag TOH | 15:09 |
| metallisto | aah.. like on android | 15:09 |
| metallisto | okay | 15:09 |
| metallisto | thanks | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | covox: 4real | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | :) | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | how about a chute-TOH | 15:13 |
| AL13N_work | would a chute fit in it? | 15:13 |
| nander | It would be hilarious | 15:13 |
| AL13N_work | or a GPS-rocket delivery TOH | 15:13 |
| AL13N_work | nander: yes, because it would deploy and the shock would make you lose your grip on the jolla thus the Jolla is safe and you're dropping | 15:14 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 15:14 |
| nander | GPS shuts down at 40 km or 22000 km/h I think | 15:14 |
| nander | A parachute needs a minimum height | 15:14 |
| nander | I think it'd be effective from 3m or so | 15:14 |
| nander | and it'd hit like it would from 40 cm or so | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | 3m ??? | 15:15 |
| nander | 3m and up | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | aaah | 15:15 |
| nander | It takes time for a parachute to unfold | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | you're talking about a chute for the Jolla alone | 15:15 |
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| nander | yes ;) | 15:15 |
| nander | You wanted one for yourself as well? | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | nander: yes plz | 15:15 |
| nander | your jolla would be the size of a backpack | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | when i'm falling out of a plane, i'd rather not go splat | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | nander: lol | 15:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have actually contemplated a TOH made from 4* http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HL2708-1410-10000KV-Brushless-Motor-27mm-Ducted-Fan-for-RC-Helicopter-/360797059191?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item54012e3877 or similar, and a battery 3mm or so thick. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (not very seriously though. | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no real reason it won't work - and it can recover if you drop it from over about a meter. | 15:40 |
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| TheBootroo | OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG | 15:44 |
| TheBootroo | 'IN PICKING" powa | 15:44 |
| TheBootroo | sweet jesus | 15:44 |
| Plnt | :DD | 15:45 |
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| Quu | 9ls. | 15:45 |
| TheBootroo | OMG OMG OMG OMG | 15:45 |
| Quu | wat did i press | 15:45 |
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| TheBootroo | can't believe it | 15:45 |
| Quu | TheBootroo: gz :) | 15:45 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: there you go little puppy | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | XDDD | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | you know what ? | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | i'm happy | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | :( mine's still "Paid" :-( | 15:47 |
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| pawky | flug: lol, just now I noticed I wrote my earlier question in the wrong chat... ;-) | 15:55 |
| pawky | flux: ^^ | 15:55 |
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| hene- | TheBootroo :D | 16:02 |
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| Morpog_N9_ | zbenjamin, somehow my googleöcalendar got synced to my jolla | 16:11 |
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| starkers | hell all | 16:13 |
| starkers | *hello | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | :) | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: happy for you man | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: now you can refresh the fedex page | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: hehe thx, i'm also happy for me | 16:13 |
| Frye | woot, his unit has shipped? | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | Frye: no, in picking | 16:14 |
| Frye | Ah | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | Frye: "in picking" | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | but when in picking, you have to refresh the fedex | 16:14 |
| Frye | Close enough =) | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | still better than "paid" | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | because fedex may have it before you get a tracking number | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | SO CLOSE | 16:14 |
| Frye | I'll have a victory coffee for you man. | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | and you can use the order number as reference | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: not yet | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | not found | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | but i'll try again tomorow morning | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | but are you pressing the "track" button often enough? :) | 16:14 |
| TheBootroo | fedex should have it registered | 16:14 |
| starkers | I'm getting "Problem with connection" with my UK vodafone (contract)... anyone else able to get 3g? | 16:15 |
| * SpeedEvil hasn't put a SIM in yet. | 16:15 | |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_N9_: whut? | 16:15 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_N9_: what does the list of calendars show? | 16:16 |
| Frye | Funny thing happened today. I was travelling from Jyväskylä to home with a bus. | 16:16 |
| sdjayna | starkers: check your apn settings, i'm on o2 in the uk and had to change mine: settings->mobile network->long press mobile broadband | 16:16 |
| Frye | Suddenly a guy in front of me pulls up a poppy red Jolla and takes a look at it. | 16:16 |
| Frye | I just had to say hi to him :D | 16:16 |
| nadriel | SpeedEvil: Tought luck using it as a phone without sim. : ) | 16:16 |
| Frye | What are the odds to spot another random Jolla in a bus with random 20+ people. | 16:17 |
| nadriel | Frye, Depends where you live? | 16:17 |
| Frye | In Tikkakoski. Middle of nowhere really... | 16:17 |
| nadriel | Going to intti? | 16:17 |
| Morpog_N9_ | ah sorry zbenjamin hatte denselben termin im facebook kalender :( | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | nadriel: I have made perhaps 5 calls on my n900 | 16:18 |
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| * FIQ actually used N900 as a phone... as secondary purpose | 16:18 | |
| nadriel | SpeedEvil, oh, you're still on your fifth phonecall? | 16:18 |
| starkers | sdjayna: mobile broadband? don't see that | 16:18 |
| FIQ | *use | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And it was my primary mobile. | 16:19 |
| FIQ | all right, more like last purpose | 16:19 |
| Frye | nadriel, nah he was going home. | 16:19 |
| Frye | Just like me | 16:19 |
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| sdjayna | starkers: when you go to settings->system settings->mobile network what do you see? | 16:19 |
| FIQ | as that's really what I do the least with it | 16:19 |
| nadriel | Mostly mil people in Tikkakoski. : ) Smaller chance to spot Jollas in there than anyone who's related to someona at Airforces. | 16:20 |
| starkers | sdjayna: "Select network automatically" is on, network: vodafone UK | 16:20 |
| starkers | sdjayna: Data roaming: do not allow (although I toggled that to test at one point) | 16:20 |
| starkers | sdjayna: network mode: Prefer 3G | 16:21 |
| Frye | However I did get approving nods when I went to grocery stores last summer with the first one shirt, | 16:21 |
| sdjayna | starkers: hmm so no mobile data subheading with mobile broadband or similar at the top, odd | 16:21 |
| Frye | So at least people seemed to know what it was about | 16:21 |
| sdjayna | starkers: on mine it's above data roaming, technically you can re-name it, so maybe called something else | 16:21 |
| sdjayna | starkers: has an up / down icon next to it..trying to think of circumstances when that wouldn't appear.. | 16:22 |
| nadriel | Frye, cool, I got surrounded in exam on monday morning for putting mine in silent mode. | 16:22 |
| starkers | Ahh that mobile data is called "Internet" and grey "disabled" under it | 16:22 |
| starkers | aahh I can long hold it | 16:23 |
| starkers | remote from fav or edit lol | 16:23 |
| sdjayna | starkers: edit, then double check those settings ;) | 16:23 |
| starkers | edit has the APN as "asdamobiles.co.uk" lol.. ugh | 16:23 |
| starkers | now to find settings :/ | 16:23 |
| sdjayna | starkers: i have a bug open about it…it's sometimes picks virtual operators | 16:23 |
| sdjayna | it sometimes* | 16:24 |
| starkers | can't u hard code? | 16:24 |
| sdjayna | starkers: there isn't enough information on the sim to differentiate between vodafone and the virtual operators, they look identical | 16:25 |
| sdjayna | starkers: we're coming up with a solution (though this isn't my area of expertise tbh) | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | i thought operators send you an sms to configure the phone the first time you insert the sim? | 16:26 |
| starkers | I can't even find where to enter APN details at this point | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | starkers: long press somewhere? always long press :) | 16:27 |
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| sdjayna | starkers: pick edit, then choose type "internet" if it's not already selected | 16:27 |
| nadriel | Hrhm, first bad influence about from this phone | 16:28 |
| starkers | woot its connected, had to just change asdamobile to wap.vodafone.co.uk | 16:29 |
| nadriel | I keep double tabbing my tablet.. | 16:29 |
| sdjayna | starkers: cool | 16:29 |
| starkers | ..now to get idle imap / lastpass / reddit / google auth and mycelium working | 16:29 |
| Frye | nadriel, I keep swipe closing apps on my iPhone | 16:30 |
| starkers | ohh.. can you guys mount your phones in linux? I'm having a nightmare just to upload a mp3 | 16:30 |
| Frye | And doubletapping... | 16:30 |
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| Frye | I use developer mode and scp but it should work with MTP | 16:30 |
| phdeswer | starkers: you need to get mtp support, there is no mounting needed. | 16:30 |
| starkers | its mtp implemntation is aweful, even go-mtpfs failing all over the place | 16:31 |
| starkers | Frye: how can I enable dev mode? I know scp at least | 16:31 |
| phdeswer | starkers: just go to settings->developer mode and enable it. | 16:31 |
| Frye | Settings -> System Settings -> Developer mode | 16:31 |
| phdeswer | Do not touch the updates thing though! | 16:31 |
| nadriel | Frye, I only have one SIM so I've taken this as a sole device. Well.. The battery life is about the same as my old phone. So I'm not really losing anything. | 16:31 |
| Frye | But you're on your own with that =) No guarantees | 16:32 |
| starkers | got it -ty | 16:32 |
| starkers | phdeswer: do not touch updates thingee, got it | 16:32 |
| phdeswer | starkers: anyway scp is way faster than mtp. | 16:32 |
| starkers | well its a standard, I prefer them | 16:32 |
| metallisto | how to access a file downloaded from browser? | 16:33 |
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| starkers | questions: can I enable idleimap polling? if not where can I set poll frequency for this mail app? | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | metallisto: did you try the events view? | 16:33 |
| nadriel | How do you mean access? | 16:33 |
| Pnuu | metallisto: install jolla-fileman (pkcon install jolla-fileman on fingerterm) | 16:33 |
| Pnuu | if you can't find the file from events or something, check the filesystem :-) | 16:34 |
| metallisto | the event was gone when i clicked it | 16:34 |
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| metallisto | Pnuu: but i have to enable dev mode first or? | 16:36 |
| Azog | how can one access the sd-card? | 16:36 |
| Pnuu | metallisto: yes | 16:38 |
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| metallisto | Azog: read my question and the answer.. i guess its the same | 16:39 |
| metallisto | but maybe you can access media on sd card from media app | 16:40 |
| Frye | is the sd card properly formatted | 16:40 |
| Azog | i cannot see any mount of an sd-card with the command mount | 16:40 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | metallisto: i think downloads are somewhere under system settings | 16:41 |
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| Azog | Frye: which fs should the sd-card have? | 16:42 |
| celeron55 | okay so, where are the specs for the other half connector? | 16:42 |
| Frye | I don't really know but some of the fats were at least not suppoerted | 16:42 |
| Frye | I don't have SD card yet. | 16:42 |
| metallisto | HarhaanJohtaja: thanks, but I cannot find it | 16:42 |
| Frye | Or I do, but it still contains stuff from my old phone in wrong FS | 16:43 |
| Frye | so it's not in use | 16:43 |
| AJAX555 | oh my god, do I see 3319 in picking?! | 16:43 |
| nadriel | In FingerTerm you can see where it's mounted with "df" | 16:44 |
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| nadriel | But if the won't recognize the FS then it won't be mounted. | 16:44 |
| Azog | i found http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/jolla-sd-card/ | 16:45 |
| metallisto | is it possible to undo the dev mode? | 16:45 |
| metallisto | or just with device reset | 16:45 |
| Pnuu | yes, just uncheck it | 16:46 |
| nadriel | metallisto: just click it off | 16:46 |
| metallisto | i asked before.. thats why ;) | 16:46 |
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| mord | Azog: at least i can mount all the existing partitions on my sdcard vfat, ext{2,3,4}; none of then get automounted though | 16:48 |
| mord | in fact, make that ext{2,4} but i'd assume ext3 is supported as well | 16:49 |
| mord | not sure whether the sdcard is supposed to have but a single partition | 16:50 |
| starkers | yup 3 is backwards compatible also, just 2 with a journal | 16:51 |
| artemma | 64% of preorders are inpicking or later according to spreadsheet. I guess real number is something like 75-85% | 16:56 |
| artemma | AJAX555: 3319???!! Mine is 3441 - hopefully close then! :) | 16:56 |
| Azog | mord: i try with ext4 and 64 GB at the moment, there is no automount | 16:57 |
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| tachikom1 | wooohooooo | 17:02 |
| tachikom1 | "in picking" | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | tachikom1: woohoo | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | tachikom1: now you have to finish off with that ssd soonish | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | i know i finished with my can opener | 17:03 |
| tachikom1 | ggabriel: it has the sdk on it - so - I'm done :) | 17:03 |
| * tachikom1 looks for TheBootroo in the spreadsheet | 17:04 | |
| tachikom1 | :) | 17:04 |
| Azog | automount works with the bugfix on the second page of the link i posted | 17:04 |
| juergbi | mine is in picking for 7 days now but still no tracking number :/ | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | juergbi: check the fedex page, put your order number as reference | 17:08 |
| juergbi | already tried that, no luck | 17:08 |
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| juergbi | ggabriel: is this supposed with the order number 2000... or rather with the order id from the preorder? | 17:09 |
| juergbi | (tried both) | 17:09 |
| minimec | juergbi: Guessing from your nick. You are from Switzerland too. Looks like we get a special 'treatment'... :( Norway too... | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | juergbi: i heard the order number in shop.jolla.com | 17:09 |
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| juergbi | minimec: yes, maybe they didn't check what forms they needed for customs in advance | 17:10 |
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| juergbi | it's also likely that they screwed up the VAT handling | 17:10 |
| narchie | order cancelled | 17:11 |
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| Hartzi | juergbi: screwed up the VAT handling? How? | 17:14 |
| minimec | juergbi: Also. all order higher than 200001xxx from Switzerland are still 'paid' status, while others in europe with high order numbers got the phone ... | 17:14 |
| juergbi | Hartzi: it appears that Finnish VAT was applied when ordering from outside EU | 17:16 |
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| juergbi | while they should either have applied no VAT or Swiss VAT | 17:17 |
| Hartzi | so you're paying the VAT twice? | 17:17 |
| juergbi | i'll see when i get it | 17:17 |
| juergbi | it depends on the courier | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | juergbi: it's simple: how much did you pay? :) | 17:17 |
| juergbi | so far, 100 + 299 | 17:17 |
| juergbi | however, i suspect i'll get another invoice from the courier | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | +15? | 17:17 |
| juergbi | yes | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | right, you paid vat | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | not sure how that works | 17:18 |
| juergbi | theoretically, the courier could get the finnish vat back, add swiss vat and give me back the difference | 17:18 |
| juergbi | however, that would be quite unusual | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | that sounds super weird | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | i recall the n9 being sold to the US vat-less | 17:19 |
| juergbi | i'm fine paying 100 + 299 + 15 overall even with Swiss VAT being lower than Finnish VAT. however, i want that total price to include Swiss VAT | 17:19 |
| minimec | juergbi: Yeah but... Does Fedex do such kind of things with VAT? Are we delivered by Fedex too? I will have to contact care@jolla.com ... | 17:19 |
| starkers | whats the username for accessing devmode (ssh) ? | 17:19 |
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| juergbi | minimec: i don't know. it's definitely way more common for the shop to invoice without VAT or with VAT of destination | 17:20 |
| juergbi | as jolla does't have to hand over any VAT to the Finnish government for my order | 17:21 |
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| minimec | juergbi: Unfortunately I am not used to 'international buiying', but your point sounds reasonable... | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | starkers: set it yourself in settings -> developer mode :-) | 17:21 |
| starkers | Pnuu: thats the password? I see no reference to username | 17:22 |
| juergbi | minimec: the painful thing is that the handling fees by customs and courier are often higher than the VAT itself | 17:22 |
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| Frye | starkers, nemo or root | 17:22 |
| starkers | Pnuu: ok nevermind, I see | 17:22 |
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| juergbi | however, if jolla says they deliver for 399+15 including VAT and shipping and handling, i shouldn't have to pay any fees on top of that | 17:23 |
| Pnuu | starkers: ah, misread.. | 17:23 |
| mord | i'd have thought there was no reason to pay swiss vat if finnish vat was already paid, what with efta and all (http://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/content/vat-within-eu-and-other-trade-agreement-countries and other such sources) | 17:23 |
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| flux | pawky, took you a while :) | 17:24 |
| minimec | juergbi: yeah. I ordered some Bang Olufsen cartridges for my turntable in the US. That went pretty well in the end. But that was yeaers ago... | 17:24 |
| juergbi | mord: i've never paid foreign taxes for things ordered from EU | 17:25 |
| juergbi | mord: i believe the agreement is that you only have to pay in the destination country. however, EFTA is not in the EU VAT area | 17:25 |
| mord | okay so i'm confused (as usual :) | 17:26 |
| juergbi | also, the jolla invoices look incorrect to me | 17:26 |
| starkers | ugghh bbuuggs | 17:26 |
| juergbi | the 100 euro one says 0.0% VAT | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | silly question, did anybody do a bluetooth sync of the contacts? can't find how todo it | 17:26 |
| juergbi | and the 314 euro one also says tax 0 | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | For EU vat area, you pay the VAT of the source country - as a customer. | 17:27 |
| juergbi | or are the invoices different for EU customers? | 17:27 |
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| mord | ...and for exports you are excempted from vat in the source vat area | 17:27 |
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| merlin1991 | hm seems the menu is missing on the jolla, works fine if initiated on the n9 | 17:27 |
| starkers | Pnuu: any idea what the root password is? | 17:27 |
| Jope_ | there is none | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | devel-su | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | and then the normal password | 17:28 |
| starkers | ty | 17:28 |
| Raim | juergbi: my receipt for Germany has a VAT of 24% | 17:28 |
| mord | starkers: for devel-su it's the one you set for dev mode ssh | 17:28 |
| * starkers feels much better | 17:28 | |
| Jope | if you set a passwd for root, then it's whatever you set | 17:28 |
| Jope | and su - works too | 17:28 |
| juergbi | Raim: interesting. so they did realize that there is a difference but it doesn't seem to be handled quite correctly, afaict | 17:28 |
| Jope | in the eu you can pay vat to the originating or the destination country | 17:29 |
| Jope | after a certain amount of sales to a certain country, then it changes somehwo | 17:29 |
| juergbi | yes, i thought originating country was allowed only for relatively small sales volume | 17:29 |
| mord | Jope: for consumer transactions in general it's to the source country though | 17:30 |
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| starkers | wow this is a decent userland and not busybox etc.. I'm feeling much happier now | 17:30 |
| juergbi | which might be ok for the first batch but probably not for expected sales next year | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | starkers: No gcc, I'm returning mine. | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:30 |
| starkers | haha | 17:30 |
| Jope | our fina guys will adjust it according to eu law I'm sure | 17:30 |
| starkers | real hackers make their own gcc ;) | 17:30 |
| Raim | was anyone successful in connecting Jolla to a WPA2 Enterprise WLAN (e.g. eduroam)? I only get "Sorry. Could not connect to select network.", which isn't very helpful. | 17:31 |
| starkers | personal or private here sorry, I've literally never used one of those | 17:32 |
| atlaz | So did TheBootroo get his phone? | 17:32 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo evolved from refreshing the spreadsheet to refreshing the fedex page | 17:32 |
| ggabriel | f5 or control+r still suffering though | 17:33 |
| starkers | is it possible to start sideloading apks? I just want to get titaniumbackup on so I can start loading things I _need_ and have already paid for | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | starkers: easy | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | starkers: apkd-install whatever.apk as root | 17:36 |
| starkers | *SWEET* ty | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how well 'systemey' apps like titanium backup and stuff will work | 17:37 |
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| starkers | well if I can just get lastpass/kaiten/baconreader/mycelium/natwest for now I'd be happy | 17:37 |
| starkers | need a way to get the data across hmm... I'll experiment | 17:38 |
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| nadriel | Raim: i could try that tomorrow | 17:39 |
| Raim | nadriel: hm, apparently others have troubles with that as well, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397449 | 17:39 |
| * SpeedEvil is happy that netflix works. | 17:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though video quality seems dodgy | 17:40 |
| starkers | anyone seen any bitcoin wallets on this yandex thing? | 17:43 |
| starkers | ok cancel that, will have to load an apk | 17:43 |
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| atlaz | Damn. I was kinda hoping to see TheBootroo actually totally lose it | 17:44 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: he lost it | 17:44 |
| atlaz | Man, i gotta check my backlog. Did a 1200km trip today so haven't had time to catch up on everything yet | 17:45 |
| starkers | coming from a droid background I want to snapshot my phone as I would with CWM incase I break it, how can I do that? | 17:45 |
| ggabriel | he updated so many status enabled websites at the same time that his ISP cancelled his service | 17:45 |
| ShadowJK | how are are the shippings now? | 17:47 |
| ggabriel | dunno, they seem to be happening though | 17:47 |
| ggabriel | i'd be very surprised if fedex is picking devices up every day though | 17:47 |
| ShadowJK | wondering highest spotted # right now :P | 17:48 |
| ggabriel | >2500 outside .fi | 17:48 |
| ggabriel | and 0 euro orders too | 17:48 |
| * ShadowJK 's 2x3xxx / 7xxx order is "Paid" :) | 17:48 | |
| ShadowJK | .fi | 17:48 |
| Kabouik | Can someone tell me how to sent a Gmail chat text to a contact with a gmail address? I can't seem to make it work | 17:49 |
| Kabouik | send | 17:49 |
| Quu | ShadowJK: sucks to be you ;p | 17:49 |
| atlaz | Kabouik: The other party needs to accept your chat first | 17:50 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: does this help? https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/28652303-How-do-I-switch-between-SMS-and-IM- | 17:50 |
| Kabouik | Even if it's a usual chat contact (before I added the account on Jolla)? Isn't it stored in my Google account? | 17:50 |
| Kabouik | I don't see that option yet ggabriel, but probably because I have no sms yet | 17:51 |
| ggabriel | ok, sorry, don't have a device, so i can't help | 17:51 |
| ggabriel | yours is a common question though | 17:52 |
| Kabouik | Don't be sorry, that'll help when I have sms :p | 17:52 |
| ggabriel | so you don't see the messags application at all? | 17:52 |
| Pnuu | lets see | 17:52 |
| Kabouik | Actually in the People app, there is no "instant messaging" field, just email. And I don't know if Sailfish interprets @gmail.com as potential messaging addresses | 17:53 |
| Kabouik | Yes I do ggabriel, but I try to send a gmail text to a contact through her gmail address, and it doesn't do anything | 17:53 |
| Pnuu | I've chatted with the phone via gtalk, but I didn't initiate the chat so don't know how to do it :-D | 17:53 |
| Bysmyyr | Kabouik: thehe is that field if you link instant message contact | 17:53 |
| Bysmyyr | nut you cannot add it manually | 17:54 |
| starkers | has anyone figured out how to run/work a su enabled android app (EG titanium backup?) | 17:54 |
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| Kabouik | Bysmyyr I saw that but don't remember in what conditions. Anyhow here, I have a contact in People, properly set. And then that same person texted me on Gtalk, I replied. But Jolla did not link the two identities in one. I tried to merge them using "Link" in the pulley, but nothing happens after I select a contact after "Link" | 17:55 |
| starkers | aahh feck, no camera support :( looks like I swapped SIM in haste | 17:55 |
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| sremes | anyone else having problems with Store lately? trying to install an app shows "waiting" for a while and then a notification pops up saying "Problem with Store..." | 17:56 |
| starkers | was ok for me | 17:56 |
| JvD_ | sremes: which version you are on? | 17:59 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: hmm, that should work, atleast worked for me | 17:59 |
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| sremes | JvD_: .10, but I think there should be an update that my phone is not finding either | 18:00 |
| Kabouik | I'm doing some testings here, nothing works, but difficult to explain synthetically | 18:00 |
| Pnuu | although the messages are all now in the same "thread", and unlinking doesn't separate those | 18:00 |
| JvD_ | sremes: .12 will fix the store problem | 18:00 |
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| sremes | JvD_: then there is only the problem of getting the update :) | 18:00 |
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| JvD_ | I just kept checking for updates from time to time today and after some hours after it was just found | 18:01 |
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| JvD_ | hours after other people where able to do it | 18:01 |
| JvD_ | so keep trying | 18:01 |
| Pnuu | JvD_: how are you doing the checking? from device info pulley? | 18:02 |
| Bysmyyr | Kabouik: it works for me, that pulley I mean | 18:02 |
| sremes | yes, will do, but I first tried getting the update already several hours ago | 18:02 |
| Pnuu | the "update" on lock screen is not for software updates :-) | 18:02 |
| sremes | the "about product" page is the right place I think :) | 18:03 |
| Kabouik | I'm trying to send a gtalk message to one of my second Gmail account that does have the "instant messaging" address identified in People app (doest know how, for some contacts it does not show), but the "Send button" sais "undefined", and when I tap it, it resets all fields (recipient and content of the message) | 18:03 |
| sdjayna | sremes: you're one of a small handful of people who have a different problem we're working on - delete /etc/zypp/credentials.d/store and restart the store and try again.. | 18:04 |
| Pnuu | "about device", to re-re-re-iterate :-D | 18:05 |
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| sremes | sdjayna: thanks, that seemed to work | 18:07 |
| sdjayna | sremes: you're welcome, and apologies for the issue | 18:07 |
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| Kabouik | Also, is there no way to give different names to different Google accounts? | 18:17 |
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| Kabouik | I have 5 of them for 5 different uses... When trying to set my presence status, I have to guess which one I am tweaking because the app only shows "Google", unlike in eMail where the email address can be seen | 18:18 |
| merlin1991 | petantik: did you have any luck getting exchange to work, I'm in the same problem you had yesterday | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | uhm... sailfish sdk update process is a bit broken i think | 18:27 |
| ggabriel | it wants to create the MerSDK vm but it already exists | 18:27 |
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| Bysmyyr | It did not ask you to remove old before installing? last version did that, I do not know the newest | 18:28 |
| ggabriel | nope, it didn't | 18:28 |
| ggabriel | i just ran the sdk maintenance tool and clicked update components | 18:29 |
| ggabriel | i heard most folks just uninstalled/installed | 18:29 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: there was some talk on #sailfishos about that today | 18:29 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: alright, as long as jolla folks are aware... | 18:30 |
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| ggabriel | pulse audio issue still exists too (for us poor souls who just use alsa ;) ) | 18:30 |
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| celeron55 | is jolla-fileman really lacking functionality for moving and copying files? | 18:37 |
| ggabriel | celeron55: AFAIK jolla-fileman is Alpha :) | 18:39 |
| celeron55 | well that's what i guessed :P | 18:39 |
| celeron55 | what is the best way to move files around? | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | no idea, i haven't got the phone | 18:39 |
| Pnuu | dev mode and cp :-) | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | but if i were you, terminal | 18:39 |
| Pnuu | and/or mv | 18:39 |
| celeron55 | command line is... well, torture, given that there's no hw keyboard yet | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: s/cp/mv/ | 18:39 |
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| Bysmyyr | ggabriel: with laptop | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | celeron55: ssh and use your computer for typing | 18:40 |
| celeron55 | i guess i have to | 18:41 |
| walokra | how do you keep the ssh connection open as mine seemed to close when the screen closes? | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | uhm... this updated sdk doesn't work out of the box | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | starting over | 18:41 |
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| celeron55 | what's recommended for making files available to android apps? | 18:45 |
| celeron55 | it seems they look stuff from /sdcard, and that doesn't have write access for the regular user | 18:45 |
| special | Kabouik: Improvements to the presence UI are done and will be in update 3; it shows which account now | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | special: woohoo :-) | 18:49 |
| special | Kabouik: the "undefined" issue is odd. We have a couple similar bugs, but it's been hard to find a root cause | 18:49 |
| special | also strange that your contacts didn't link. | 18:50 |
| Pnuu | special: how about unlinking and then unraveling the message threads? | 18:50 |
| special | Pnuu: if it doesn't happen immediately, it will after a reboot | 18:50 |
| special | (and it should happen immediately) | 18:50 |
| Pnuu | special: ok, I'll try reboot | 18:51 |
| Pnuu | reboot did it :-) | 18:52 |
| celeron55 | does there exist something that will extract 7zip archives? | 18:52 |
| special | you should have a 'telepathy' contact for every person in your IM accounts' contact lists. For the most part, they should be merged with real contacts of the same name automatically | 18:52 |
| celeron55 | looks like unzip doesn't | 18:52 |
| special | that gives you the IM account on the contact card and the "Send message" button, and allows you to select it from "New message" in Messages | 18:53 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder if I will get my jolla on 23 Dec.. | 18:54 |
| special | 'undefined' would mean that you have a contact with an account detail that lacks important fields. That can happen as a result of some kinds of contact imports (handling of that is better in update 2, iirc).. | 18:54 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: if you get it, i'll get it ;-) they did promise you before xmas (if you paid by the 2nd) | 18:55 |
| AJAX555 | yes I paid before 2nd | 18:55 |
| AJAX555 | but.. promises are easy to break | 18:55 |
| AJAX555 | sadly | 18:55 |
| ggabriel | if i don't get my jolla before xmas, i'll focus in getting drunk | 18:56 |
| ggabriel | if i do, i'll focus in getting drunk and playing with my jolla | 18:57 |
| special | AJAX555: soon <3. | 18:58 |
| AJAX555 | hopefully <3 | 18:59 |
| tobiski | woop woop woop I got my jolla in my hands! | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: woop | 19:00 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: yes! update + review + video :P | 19:00 |
| hene- | woob woobld | 19:01 |
| tobiski | I almost had a stroke, I remembed that I have to change my sim card to micro-sim and all dna stores were closed | 19:01 |
| tobiski | expect for one! | 19:01 |
| tobiski | *except | 19:01 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: you don't own a cutter? :P | 19:01 |
| tobiski | nope | 19:02 |
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| ggabriel | ah, suggest you buy one | 19:02 |
| ggabriel | you should always have wd40 and a paper cutter at home | 19:02 |
| Dima^ | I didn't made any review on paper, I'm afraid that it would scare other away :P | 19:03 |
| Dima^ | the other | 19:03 |
| ggabriel | gaaa, this modifyvm command that doesn't work when installing the sdk is so annoying | 19:07 |
| anonfriese_ | humm, ssh server works fine on jolla -> no need for stupid usb-connections for data transfer ;) | 19:07 |
| ggabriel | i hate it i hate it i want to kick it in the nuts | 19:07 |
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| tobiski | what are the settings for outlook email? | 19:11 |
| phlixi | tobiski: like that? https://www.google.de/search?/s?hl=de&gs_rn=32&gs_ri=psy-ab&pq=outlook&cp=25&gs_id=8u&xhr=t&q=outlook.com%20imap%20settings&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.57967247,d.ZG4&biw=1896&bih=889&ech=7&psi=5qGwUtPvOc7xhQejqoHgBg.1387307500149.1&emsg=NCSR&noj=1&ei=66GwUvuwEo2rhAea3ICoBQ | 19:12 |
| celeron55 | the real reason i bought jolla is because it has proper gnu/linux | 19:12 |
| tobiski | like that, but with lmgtfy link pls :) | 19:12 |
| celeron55 | that's the requirement; everything else is extra :P | 19:12 |
| phlixi | voila: http://bit.ly/1dKEq82 | 19:13 |
| tobiski | phlixi: appriciated :D | 19:13 |
| phlixi | :) | 19:13 |
| phlixi | chance for revenge | 19:14 |
| phlixi | how do i get my wpa passphrase on the phone? | 19:14 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: does this help? https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/29034836-How-do-I-connect-to-a-WLAN- | 19:15 |
| Pnuu | type it? :-) | 19:15 |
| phlixi | i thought this was implicit, of course without typing | 19:15 |
| ggabriel | ? | 19:16 |
| Quu | wat. | 19:16 |
| ggabriel | one does not simply enter a passphrase without typing | 19:16 |
| tobiski | i think you mean how to save the passphrase for certain network? | 19:16 |
| ggabriel | or do you mean those press the button features? | 19:16 |
| Morpog_PC | I miss irc-chatter :D | 19:17 |
| Morpog_PC | ans all other great harmattan apps | 19:18 |
| phlixi | on n9/00, android, veer etc, i usually connect via usb (or write file on sd card) and then have it there for copy&paste (wpa key looks like this ksVaRKbwDTnbE9h2GWruyToPJTgMGSL9NC9RH5Zhsvz5uxqsGEt5mSBmMNgv) | 19:18 |
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| ggabriel | phlixi: i see, just copy a file via ssh or something | 19:18 |
| phlixi | of course thats not the actual key, i just generated some stuff ;) | 19:18 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: too late, p0wned already | 19:18 |
| phlixi | ggabriel: ssh over usb? | 19:19 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: i guess, i don't have a device, so not sure how easy that is | 19:19 |
| phlixi | or via wlan, where i first have to have the key on the phone? :D | 19:19 |
| ggabriel | or, if you have a web server in a secure network, put it there and download it | 19:19 |
| ggabriel | ssh is supported via usb | 19:19 |
| phlixi | nah, gsm is like cheating, i do not have a sim yet^^ | 19:19 |
| ggabriel | (there is another article on how to copy files in zendesk) | 19:20 |
| phlixi | ill try sending the file via bluetooth ;) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | so, anybody on the vicinity of returning their jolla, and what has made you the most unhappy? | 19:20 |
| ggabriel | chuck norris would have typed that long passphrase | 19:20 |
| Pnuu | phlixi: microsd is the next choice | 19:20 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: no way | 19:21 |
| phlixi | Pnuu: yes, :) | 19:21 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: honestly, highly doubt that anybody who can do irc would return a jolla | 19:21 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 19:21 |
| ggabriel | i mean... it has a terminal... you don't need to root it... it's shiny | 19:21 |
| ggabriel | everything else is a bonus | 19:21 |
| ggabriel | (despite the endless complaints) | 19:21 |
| phlixi | Stskeeps: i think its a little bit too big; but i think thats not enough to return it ;) maybe i get used to the size | 19:22 |
| ggabriel | ^ i'll probably say the same | 19:22 |
| phlixi | (I think n9 has right size) | 19:22 |
| ggabriel | i'll write to care@j.c with my hand size too | 19:22 |
| celeron55 | hmm... where the hell do firefox downloads go | 19:22 |
| Pnuu | python qt-bindings would be nice, but hell, I don't know how to write qml yet :-D | 19:22 |
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| AntiHawk_ | Hi, how do I do physical factory reset to jolla? | 19:24 |
| AntiHawk_ | I locked my self out from the system :) | 19:24 |
| tbr | ummmm | 19:24 |
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| Quu | haha. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: how, out of curiousity? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | was developer mode involved? | 19:25 |
| AntiHawk_ | yes of course it was :D | 19:25 |
| AntiHawk_ | mispelled my copy command | 19:26 |
| celeron55 | root is good! | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: so, it doesn't boot at all? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | or fingerterm / devel-su doesn't work | 19:26 |
| AntiHawk_ | yes some authority file is corrupted or something lockscreen wont accept my unlock number and ssh wont accept my credentials | 19:27 |
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| Dima^ | put your jolla's mac to dhcp for static ip, and remember nemo's password ;) | 19:27 |
| AntiHawk_ | boots fine | 19:27 |
| Dima^ | so you can always go in | 19:27 |
| Dima^ | with ssh | 19:27 |
| bjorn | Hey everybody! My First One arrived today. :) | 19:28 |
| Dima^ | congrats | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | bjorn: nice one | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: so, we first have recovery functionality coming in an update; you probably have to do a care@jolla.com case and be aware that because you broke it yourself, you may have to pay for the service of getting it factory reset | 19:28 |
| bjorn | It's looking great! | 19:28 |
| AntiHawk_ | all right nemo's password was toor before breakdown, no it's no go | 19:29 |
| bjorn | Though, as somebody used to a Galaxy S3 I wasn't impressed by the screen, especially with the thin fonts that seem to jiggle a bit. Hopefully something that may be fixed in a future update (or new hardware :P). | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | bjorn: what version are you on? | 19:30 |
| bjorn | But, I'm having trouble adding my Twitter account. Although it has a working WLAN connection according to the browser, trying to add a Twitter account keeps asking me to connect to the internet. | 19:30 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: Hm, the one it shipped with. | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: might want to upgrade | 19:30 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: It didn't notify me about an update. | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | go to settings -> system settings -> about product, pulley menu -> check for update | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | and then when it has found one, try again | 19:31 |
| bjorn | Ah, the pully menu of course! | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | you need a jolla account added | 19:31 |
| bjorn | I need to learn to look there. | 19:31 |
| bjorn | Yeah got that added for the store. | 19:31 |
| tobiski | I'm trying to do System update but it says after a whiel "Problem with update. Problem with store" | 19:32 |
| tobiski | Is reset factory settings the solution here? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: when did you start the device first time? | 19:32 |
| bjorn | So it's 1.0.0.5 currently. Kaajanlampi. | 19:32 |
| tobiski | about 30 mins ago | 19:32 |
| bjorn | I'll try to update to 1.0.1.12 now. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: okay, i'm going to flash a device with 1.0.0.5 and see if i can replicate | 19:33 |
| AntiHawk_ | Okey this is the case now: I've root user credentials recovered and console ready can I do reset from terminal? | 19:33 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: returning Jolla... I do not think so, but unhappy... YES... most depressing was that N9, or even N900 was more finished at release than Jolla, Nokia Maps are a pure joke (functionality on N9 was not complete, but OK), TOH... well I need no poppy red but poppy keyboard. On the other hand this device is a serious achievement taken the small team and time. | 19:33 |
| AntiHawk_ | UI is out of action | 19:34 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: tried with finnish and english language as I recalled that some installation only worked on english language, but was it the yandex store? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: sorry to hear that, well, is it the HW or the SW? | 19:34 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: and I'm connected to WLAN | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: just yandex | 19:35 |
| Morpog_PC | yandex worked for me in german | 19:35 |
| Morpog_PC | including registartion | 19:35 |
| bjorn | Whoops I terminated the settings. I hope that didn't mess up the update, but I can't find a way to get back to its downloading screen. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: should be okay, just look again | 19:36 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: Well if I go to that page the pully menu has a disabled "checking for update" item. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: okay, might need a restart, that sounds like a funny bug | 19:36 |
| bjorn | Crap. :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: oh, i misread | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: sorry :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: we're sadly not calling it sailfish beta without reason, but we try to improve as much as we can | 19:38 |
| bjorn | Alright, restarted and back to downloading update. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: touch /usr/share/lipstick/devicelock/.clear-device | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: as root | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: and reboot | 19:39 |
| Quu | touch lipstick | 19:39 |
| chem|st | when do we make use of the sdcard? | 19:39 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: I've thrown in a fat32 sd card, it did notice the pics on it | 19:39 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: I have btrfs and it seems to not get mounted... | 19:40 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: looks like third time is the charm it has been downloading and installing for a while now | 19:40 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: and good to hear you received your package | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: yeah if you check dmesg you'll get a nice notion about unkown option uid=10000 ... | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | I tried btrfs first aswell thanks to the rumors :D | 19:40 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: ye it downloaded it just fine now, installing... | 19:41 |
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| merlin1991 | heh funky, ssu lr reports a not enabled user repo from the jolla obs (honeybadger) | 19:42 |
| chem|st | Aard: where is my sdcard? | 19:43 |
| chem|st | where do I put all my stuff? putting 6GB onto the device jsut to move it later on sounds stupid... | 19:43 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: I have preordered Jolla in a hope for N900 on steroids and to support the cause. What is missing in SW will be updated in coming months. Missing RAM (and maybe CPU) has to wait for Jolla v2. Actually I want SG Note 3 with SailfishOS... and HW keyboard | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: hehe | 19:44 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: so fat32 works... | 19:44 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 19:44 |
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| chem|st | darn Aard, he told me anything already there is ok, wont make any difference | 19:44 |
| Dima^ | ortylp: for what you need more ram and cpu, if current stuff is quite enough | 19:44 |
| * Stskeeps could need a nice 2gb ram if possible.. | 19:45 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:45 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: pictures on sdcard you make ambiences from will have their ambience vanished on reboot... | 19:45 |
| ortylp | chem|st: sdcard is in /run/user/1000000/media/... but this directory is not visible from android! | 19:46 |
| chem|st | ortylp: I dont care for android! | 19:46 |
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| chem|st | if I'd care I buy a nexus | 19:46 |
| merlin1991 | Stskeeps: you probably know this, how do I go about adding a trusted root to the ca chain on the device? | 19:46 |
| Dima^ | former or current android device users cares :) like me ;) | 19:47 |
| chem|st | ortylp: but it is not exported to mtp - that is some line in some config I have to find now... | 19:47 |
| ortylp | Dima^: think about web browser and multitasking, there is never enough fast RAM, CPU power and storage | 19:47 |
| AntiHawk_ | Stskeeps: thank you :) | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: tell me if it works | 19:48 |
| chem|st | Dima^: I have an android device and can't wait for replacing that BS thing some people dare to call OS | 19:48 |
| chem|st | [troll/] | 19:48 |
| AntiHawk_ | it did I wouldn't be thanking yet if it didn't | 19:48 |
| Dima^ | chem|st: :D sure.. only when this android-frame in sailfish will be better | 19:48 |
| Dima^ | now it just sucks | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk_: okay, now, don't do something like that in future | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:49 |
| ortylp | chem|st: there is no native map/navigation nor offline wikipedia for Jolla yet, I need 20GB for AARDICT and 10GB for OSMAND | 19:49 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: there is native map | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | what do you need 20 gigs of dictionaries for? | 19:50 |
| chem|st | lol to do what - proof people wrong when offline? | 19:50 |
| phlixi | well, i managed to send a wpa.html to my jolla, and i found out how to get it displayed in the browser, i looks like this: <p>WPA Key:<br /><textarea>q5BubdKx8JgNcuMmJXQzqTd79RhsdF5UcPYmfU8xrwzMXoAarK</textarea></p> (of course, thats not the real key :D) actually i am to dumb to copy that text, can anybody hint me? | 19:50 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: nokia maps are online only and are a joke | 19:50 |
| AntiHawk_ | Totally noted, I don't usuall misspell anything but when I do...this happens | 19:50 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: ok, so you want offline maps | 19:50 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: they aren't a joke... they are here maps, much better than, well, anything else [in supported countries] | 19:51 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: i want offline maps too, i'll actually write that to care@j.c | 19:51 |
| chem|st | where do I put ringtones so they do not show up in mediamanager? | 19:51 |
| Quu | sygic is best shit ever | 19:51 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: i'll even go as far as saying that i'm prepared to pay for the feature | 19:51 |
| Quu | chem|st: music folder | 19:51 |
| bjorn | tobiski, Stskeeps: Hmm, now I'm hitting this "Problem with update. Problem with store" problem. | 19:51 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: (same for offline routing) | 19:51 |
| bjorn | Tried downloading a few times already. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: ok, i'm checking too atm | 19:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i want offline maps too | 19:52 |
| ggabriel | there is nothing out there that can beat nokia maps IMNSHO | 19:52 |
| ggabriel | (unless you live in japan or similar) | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and actually, the ability to mark road i never want to take (for example because they are bad for my tires, or because it's been closed for works since ages | 19:52 |
| ortylp | chem|st: exactly that, wikipedia in en/de/pl works as a handy dictionary (is crosslinked), from my experience at the moment you need to look something up there is no network available | 19:53 |
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| phlixi | any hints on how to copy text on the jolla browser? actually i am not even able to select text ;/ | 19:54 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: I would suggest cooperation with Skobbler and drop HERE unless full offline support including navigation is given. | 19:54 |
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| ggabriel | ortylp: agree... don't know skobbler, know modrana, which was very useful when i went to japan :) | 19:55 |
| ggabriel | not perfect though | 19:55 |
| ortylp | phlixi: and how copy/paste from SMS? | 19:55 |
| Dima^ | ortylp: long press on message | 19:55 |
| phlixi | ortylp: dotn know, sorry, havent used a sim yet | 19:55 |
| tobiski | bjorn: for me it downloaded and installed the update on 3rd time, I rebooted the device after first try | 19:55 |
| Pnuu | ortylp: OSM generally sucks | 19:55 |
| ortylp | Dima^: tried that, did not work, I'll try again | 19:56 |
| Dima^ | long press on message opens meny below message, where you can chose to copy | 19:56 |
| Dima^ | *menu | 19:56 |
| ggabriel | (modrana can also download gmaps for offline use, if that's your cup of tea) | 19:56 |
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| ortylp | Pnuu: it depends where and when you have tested OSM last time, if it sucks, that means you have contributed not enough | 19:57 |
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| Pnuu | pfft | 19:57 |
| Dima^ | Pnuu: OSM actually doesn't sucks, it's layout that sucks, but anyone can made own layouts | 19:57 |
| Skorpy | so... do I downgrade to the .10 and then back to the .12 to get rid of the update notification? | 19:58 |
| Pnuu | I have other things to do, and, well, other map sources have had better data available | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | my only criticism to osm in japan is that it doesn't number the blocks (which is essential to find addresses) | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | otherwise it was great | 19:58 |
| Pnuu | Skorpy: that worked for me | 19:58 |
| Skorpy | ok, gonna do that then. | 19:58 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: I use Skobbler on SG Note 2, works for me well, including mobile speed traps (Germany) and speed limits | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: worked for me on a 1.0.0.5 out of box image, i can perhaps recommend a reset device / factory reset, and try again | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: sorry about the trouble, the 1.0.1.12 fix is actually about fixing this issue | 20:00 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: Download almost halfway done, keeping fingers crossed. :) | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: phew | 20:01 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: house numbers have to be entered... Skobbler has/had some apps for that, there is also one in fdroid to support this kind of local survey | 20:01 |
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| ggabriel | ortylp: thanks, i'll surely check it out when i get my jolla (i'm not an android user, i'll probably hate it anyway) | 20:02 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: to get skobbler android app on Jolla I would have to hack PlayStore in :( | 20:03 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: that seems the usual procedure ;-) | 20:03 |
| ggabriel | or just copy the apk from your sg note 2 | 20:03 |
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| bjorn | Stskeeps: It stopped at 75%, went back to start for a while and then again reported problem with store. :( | 20:06 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: for me Jolla has to ripen a few months, till then I will have to stay with SG Note as my main device. Too much functionality is missing. | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: hmmm | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: are you on 3g or wlan | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | bjorn: try to keep the screen on | 20:06 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: WLAN. | 20:06 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: Doing that. | 20:06 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: i knew that the minute i bought hte device ;) caldav being my no 1 showstopper | 20:06 |
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| phdeswer | ortylp: play store has been hacked in alreadt | 20:06 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: including handwritten notes :D | 20:06 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: nah, i don't care about that, i'm glad i don't use a stylus any more | 20:07 |
| ggabriel | other half keyboard yeah though | 20:07 |
| ortylp | phdeswer: yep, I saw that | 20:07 |
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| ortylp | Quu: I had Sygic on N900, but no support no updates no bugfixes, forget it... | 20:14 |
| * Stskeeps got a bit disappointed with n900 dropping support like that too | 20:15 | |
| Stskeeps | with sygic | 20:15 |
| Quu | hmm. | 20:15 |
| Quu | android has almost weekly updates | 20:15 |
| chem|st | yeah nice staving media for one minute and it reboots... | 20:15 |
| Quu | also, won key from their facebook thingie, -100% code | 20:15 |
| Quu | "Purchased" all world maps with it ;p | 20:15 |
| ortylp | Quu: and for the price of Sygic app then I could buy standalone navigation device now. | 20:16 |
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| Quu | or just download mapfiles from xda and run it | 20:16 |
| pp_ | apart from navigation (and maybe battery life) I'm good vs. n9 | 20:16 |
| pp_ | suppose I could just leave the n9 in the car for that :-) | 20:17 |
| Quu | never even used n9. | 20:17 |
| ggabriel | pp_: my thoughts exactly... use the n9 as a gps :) | 20:17 |
| ggabriel | until something cool comes for the jolla | 20:17 |
| Quu | i do use my nexus 7 as navigator :p | 20:18 |
| ggabriel | Quu: i doubt it supports fully offline mode | 20:18 |
| pp_ | alas the gps on mine is starting to be a bit flaky :( | 20:18 |
| Quu | sygic does. | 20:18 |
| ortylp | Quu: after getting used to SG Note all displays of other smatphones got really small | 20:18 |
| pp_ | shame, offline maps (updated ones too!) for large parts of europe on it | 20:19 |
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| pp_ | then again, I could use an external bt dongle | 20:19 |
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| phlixi | contacts definitly needs a "NOTES" field | 20:28 |
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| ortylp | phlixi: yes, the do!!! as you mentioned that I checked my contacts, all notes got lost on the import: WARNING: DATA LOSS ON CONTACT IMPORT! | 20:31 |
| tanghus | ortylp: are they gone or just not showing in the app? | 20:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | how can he know? :) | 20:32 |
| phlixi | tanghus: there is no notes field | 20:32 |
| tanghus | Export a contact maybe? | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | tanghus: good idea :) | 20:33 |
| ortylp | tanghus: definitely not shown in the app, | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: sup | 20:33 |
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| phlixi | wow, finaly | 20:38 |
| phlixi | it took one hour to get wlan -.- | 20:38 |
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| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: being forced to jolla by my failing N9's modem... | 20:41 |
| chem|st | having no wifi, no sip, no hope, no glory... | 20:44 |
| chem|st | *sigh* need to do the dishes... enough of that mind numbing, spirit crushing experience \o | 20:46 |
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| nander | TheBootroo - is yours in picking yet? | 20:50 |
| Quu | nander: yes, it is | 20:50 |
| Quu | he was so happy. | 20:50 |
| phlixi | lol | 20:50 |
| nander | mine isn't :( | 20:50 |
| nander | Jolla decided 2699 was a nice spot to stop | 20:50 |
| phlixi | everybody knows TheBootroo's "status" ;-) | 20:50 |
| nander | Instead of 2786 | 20:50 |
| nander | He's special? | 20:50 |
| Quu | yes. special. | 20:51 |
| special | ahem | 20:51 |
| nander | Also, is the update log available for 1.0.1.12(?) there yet? | 20:51 |
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| Quu | hi special, you are also special. | 20:52 |
| chem|st | nander: it was a quick-fix for a store error | 20:52 |
| nander | Ah ;) | 20:52 |
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| nander | So this wasn't the promised update? | 20:52 |
| Quu | nope | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: jolla is not bad thing after all :) | 20:53 |
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| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: no it is nice and fast but overall beta and even alpha around some corners | 20:53 |
| chem|st | Quu: what do I need to call the folder for ringtones to have it listed as ringtones only? tried .ringtones ringtones and Ringtone | 20:54 |
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| chem|st | s | 20:55 |
| Quu | chem|st: music folder. | 20:55 |
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| Quu | no ringtones. music. | 20:55 |
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| chem|st | Quu: there is a part in my sentence you do not read it seems "show as ringtones only" | 20:56 |
| Quu | oh derp. | 20:56 |
| Quu | maybe the nice little android .nomedia could work but probably would not work as ringtones after that :p | 20:56 |
| chem|st | Quu: they get listed in Music but for media and ringtones | 20:56 |
| Quu | yeah. | 20:57 |
| chem|st | will have a look for that the next days... | 20:57 |
| chem|st | whuuhoo and gallery needs to get sorted too... | 20:59 |
| suy | I'm starting up with the jolla, but something odd: seems the 'suy' account is already registered in the jolla shop. But I really doubt somebody took it before me, so I'm guessing it's my account for buying the phone? | 21:00 |
| Quu | its the err | 21:00 |
| Quu | preordering account | 21:00 |
| suy | I'm trying that password as well. I'll try to reset it. :-/ | 21:01 |
| tobiski | What are all these random images in my gallery o_O | 21:01 |
| Quu | suy: my password was something random with $ on it.. :p | 21:01 |
| suy | Quu: mine too. I rarely pick non alphanumeric | 21:01 |
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| suy | have you logged in with your email as username? | 21:05 |
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| tobiski | First impressions after few hours: I'm happy with my purchase :) | 21:21 |
| Quu | only problem i have with the "feel" is the volume button | 21:22 |
| tobiski | yes it's a little loose but can't hear it clicking at all like one of the reviewees said | 21:22 |
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| tobiski | I mean in normal use, of course if I shake the phone and keep it close to my ear I can hear it | 21:23 |
| Quu | yeah | 21:23 |
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| bjorn | I might have never noticed, but now I know the volume key is indeed a little loose, thanks. :P | 21:24 |
| Quu | but people who makes reviews must bitch about something | 21:24 |
| Quu | unless its apple product. | 21:24 |
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| tobiski | tried to make my own ambiance from http://www.wadecantley.com//styles/Wade/images/grey-website-background.jpg this image but the ambience color gave orange/brown for some reason and I didn't like it :( | 21:25 |
| bjorn | Still no luck trying to get it updated, that's my main grief. Trying now after doing a system reset. | 21:25 |
| Quu | tobiski: thats what it does for all grey wallpapers | 21:25 |
| Quu | i want white/black/grey too, not yellow :p | 21:25 |
| tobiski | oh, what a bummer, hope that changes | 21:25 |
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| Quu | yeah, i tried couple diffrent wallpapers | 21:27 |
| Quu | in one it made it light blue, but thats not better.. | 21:27 |
| celeron55 | i recommend trying all kinds of totally random more and less colorful images | 21:27 |
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| Aard | bjorn: any errors? | 21:28 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ha | 21:29 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i found out that tbr is actually dm8tbr | 21:29 |
| celeron55 | i settled with some random photo about a blue LCD being tested on a desk, which resulted in a pink theme for some reason 8) | 21:29 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: I knew that before! :p | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: and you never told me | 21:30 |
| Aard | you never asked | 21:30 |
| * ZogG_laptop writes down " Aard is good at keeping secrets" | 21:30 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: you want me to make irssi script pinging you every x mins asking if random_x_nick is random_y_nick | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 21:31 |
| Aard | not really :) | 21:31 |
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| phlixi | is Aard ZogG_laptop? | 21:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know dm8tbr by his nick on harmattan and even maybe maemo i think i used to talk to him few times. as well as i know from code from him i saw somewhere. | 21:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | phlixi: how dare you | 21:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wish..... Aard was at leas little bit more like me :P | 21:32 |
| tobiski | apparently the color detection algorithm doesn't work that well :p | 21:32 |
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| metallisto | after enabling dev mode, the mtp connection is not working anymore.. had someone similar problems? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | you can switch | 21:37 |
| metallisto | i know | 21:38 |
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| metallisto | but when i choose the connection mode my mtp client still says no devices | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | do your Jolla's also charge slow? | 21:39 |
| metallisto | but it worked already some hours ago | 21:39 |
| metallisto | yea | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | I use a 2A charger and it takes quite a while | 21:39 |
| metallisto | i think its normal | 21:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | and device gets quite warm | 21:39 |
| phdeswer | Morpog_PC: check if you are not running something that eats lots of power | 21:39 |
| bjorn | Aard: Well, just this "Problem with update. Problem with store" keeps popping up. | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | btw, should the LE other half also install new sounds? | 21:40 |
| phdeswer | metallisto: try another usb port. Maybe make sure it is not USB3 some implementations of it are rather experimental sometimes and cause issues. | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | because I only got the ambiance, but no sounds | 21:40 |
| tbr | ZogG_laptop: hmmm? | 21:41 |
| tbr | ZogG_laptop: at a jolla meetup in Wrocław, so not very perceptive at the moment and can't read backlog | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | tbr: i know you from internet | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | but everytime i talked to you was dm8tbr | 21:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | so i thouhgt it's different nick — different person | 21:44 |
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| tbr | ZogG_laptop: yes, changed my nick recently | 21:46 |
| pigletto | Morpog_PC: I have same issue with sounds from LE other half | 21:46 |
| pigletto | Morpog_PC: I found that these are installed in /usr/media/ambiance or sth like that | 21:46 |
| Morpog_PC | phdeswer, well, navfree is downloading german map atm, at a very slow rate | 21:47 |
| rantom | Evening. Can I ask a calendar issue here? It keeps crashing on me so | 21:47 |
| Morpog_PC | pigletto, interesting | 21:47 |
| pigletto | Morpog_PC: but to make them useable I had to cp these to /home/nemo/Music | 21:47 |
| Morpog_PC | need to dig in there | 21:47 |
| Morpog_PC | thx for that info | 21:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | LE TOH was under expectation :( | 21:47 |
| pigletto | but I'd rather expect that these sounds are just shown under Ambiance | 21:48 |
| Morpog_PC | would have thought so too | 21:48 |
| rantom | Well anyway: I added a Mail for Exchange-account and synced the calendar. Now I tried to delete old entries from the Default one and the Calendar keeps crashing. Same with saving | 21:50 |
| rantom | Re-install did not fix it | 21:50 |
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| rantom | Any ideas welcome, I'm otherwise probably going to reset the device | 21:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | can i read this review with loose volume button? | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ..loose? | 21:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | lemme find quote in backlog | 21:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | tobiski : yes it's a little loose but can't hear it clicking at all | 21:55 |
| tobiski | ZogG_laptop: I've read so many of those that I don't remember the one, I can try to find it | 21:55 |
| tobiski | and not sure if it was in finnish or english | 21:55 |
| tobiski | ZogG_laptop: found it, do you speak finnish? | 21:56 |
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| metallisto | I tried mtp now on 2 different computers, disabled dev mode and rebooted the device. Is still not working. Any ideas? | 21:57 |
| suy | I could not login nor create an account in the phone store/shop :-( | 21:57 |
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| phdeswer | metallisto: and you are sure you are going to mtp mode? (PC connection it is called in the UI) | 21:58 |
| tobiski | ZogG_laptop: it was this "mega review" on finnish mobiili.fi which ShadowJK translated the other day. | 21:58 |
| phdeswer | And you don't happen to be on Mac OS X? | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://markogronroos.blogspot.co.il/2013/11/first-experiences-with-jolla-phone.html | 21:58 |
| metallisto | yes. this one on the left side ;) | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | tobiski: where is translation? on TMO? | 21:58 |
| tobiski | ZogG_laptop: nope, he translated it on this channel | 21:58 |
| tobiski | picking up the most important and interesting pieces | 21:59 |
| sdjayna | suy: i can probably help, what username did you try? did you reset your password at account.jolla.com | 21:59 |
| tobiski | it's got hell of a text http://mobiili.fi/2013/12/10/jolla-sailfish-arvostelu/ | 21:59 |
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| suy | sdjayna: I did not know about the page, so I'll try now. I tried with my email from the purchase as username (since I found out that 'suy' seems to be unavailable, but not, e.g. 'sui', so is not a 3 chars limitation) | 22:00 |
| sdjayna | suy: i've checked, your username is 'suy' ;) | 22:01 |
| sdjayna | suy: try the password reset and let me know how you get on | 22:01 |
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| suy | sdjayna: ok, clicked on it :) | 22:01 |
| metallisto | Ubuntu is also detecting the device and is trying to mount it. When i open the gmtp software it displays "no mtp device found" | 22:01 |
| tobiski | basically he said "One more thing that impairs the quality of the feel is wobbly volume rocker. It makes too much noise when double-tapping Jolla awake from stand by and it doesn't sound good. The feel of quality suffers" | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | any of the rest of you who have that? | 22:02 |
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| suy | sdjayna: finally! I got in, thank you! :) | 22:03 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: which one? I had jolla enum on usb3hub but not mounting... using usb2 without works but it does not mtp the sdcard... the volume-rocker is loose... | 22:03 |
| sdjayna | suy: you're welcome, it's something we should try to make clearer | 22:04 |
| Frye | Stskeeps, if you mean the noise when doubletapping, I can get it if I hit the phone hard. But for me there is a gentle doubletap too and no sound :-) | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 22:04 |
| suy | sdjayna: well, we will got used to it. I was just unaware that account.* existed. I only knew about shop.* | 22:05 |
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| tobiski | Frye: well yeah if you smash the screen, but if you tap it like in normal use there's no extra sounds | 22:05 |
| Frye | tobiski, exactly | 22:05 |
| phaeron | chem|st: usb3 is known to be unstable. not exporting the sdcard is also known . not implemented yet | 22:05 |
| tobiski | but like Quu said 23:24 < Quu> but people who makes reviews must bitch about something | 22:05 |
| Frye | =) | 22:05 |
| Frye | Yeah, it's not credible review without some bitching :D | 22:06 |
| chem|st | phaeron: that one is actually working pretty stable for everything else, had issues with going directly to the rear port with usb3 devices... | 22:06 |
| Frye | There's something very wrong with me. I rather chat with my Jolla than on the facebook browser. | 22:06 |
| tobiski | but off to sleep so I have the energy to work tomorrow | 22:06 |
| Frye | On my computer | 22:06 |
| Frye | Yeah bedtime soon | 22:07 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: any idea for how to put ringtones right? | 22:07 |
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| phaeron | take sdcard out , plug into computer ? :) | 22:08 |
| Frye | Hmm, Should this poppy red backcover also bring in new sounds for the theme? | 22:10 |
| Frye | I mean the package that gets installed | 22:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | interesting if i need to add mtp support to kernel ? :P | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 22:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | there are sys-fs/go-mtpfs sys-fs/simple-mtpfs and just sys-fs/mtpfs | 22:14 |
| mcfrisk | cant figure out how to configure email with kapsi.fi and iki.fi forwarding service. But terminal and mutt works as well, like irssi too :D alt+left/right was odd until figuring out the swipe by accident. | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | while last seems to be more stable others are ebuilds from github repos :P | 22:14 |
| ggabriel | ZogG_laptop: distro? | 22:14 |
| ggabriel | n/m | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha | 22:14 |
| ggabriel | let me know if you need to compile a module plz :) | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: and if i say it's not exactly gentoo :P | 22:15 |
| ggabriel | if you say it's not exactly gentoo, it will be very similar | 22:15 |
| pigletto | Frye: you can find sounds at: /usr/share/ambience/ambience-the-first-on | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: i compile everything as i use funtoo ;p | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and ggabriel i wouldn't have device for at least month | 22:16 |
| ggabriel | well, it's still a linux kernel, right? | 22:16 |
| ggabriel | ok, maybe i'll beat you there | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have mtpfs installed | 22:16 |
| ggabriel | ok, so userland suffices then | 22:16 |
| ggabriel | i'll give it a go when i get the device | 22:16 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: my device at EU at friend's house nad he postponed trip to me :( | 22:16 |
| ggabriel | i think i remmeber your story | 22:16 |
| Dima^ | does your modifiedn theme stays same after reboot, or does it reloads to TOH theme | 22:17 |
| Dima^ | ? | 22:17 |
| ggabriel | i'm not too excited about mtp | 22:17 |
| ggabriel | so i'll be trying that and other methods too | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: yup, better than if he would went away before planned time | 22:17 |
| Frye | pigletto, Hmm, yeah they are there. But for some reason I cannot see them in the settings | 22:17 |
| Frye | Also there are other ambiences that are not displayed at all on the UI | 22:18 |
| pigletto | Frye: me too, I had to cp these to /home/nemo/Music | 22:18 |
| Frye | ok | 22:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: $ grep mtp -i /usr/src/linux/.config |wc -l | 22:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | 0 | 22:18 |
| pigletto | Frye: no idea why it is like that, possibly a bug | 22:18 |
| ggabriel | ZogG_laptop: that's why i asked, altho sometimes an obvious grep doesn't work | 22:19 |
| Frye | Can someone see the storm ambience on the device UI? | 22:19 |
| sdjayna | frye: go to gallery->ambience | 22:20 |
| Frye | ah | 22:20 |
| sdjayna | frye: i'm not sure, but it sounds like you need to favourite them before you'll see them in the main ui | 22:20 |
| Frye | yeah, that was the case | 22:20 |
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| Frye | You are right, only favourites show on the "left or right" | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: as i have it installed and my roomate had android device...... i think it worked :) but can't remmeber for sure | 22:21 |
| metallisto | where are the backups stored in the filesystem? | 22:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: Stskeeps is desktop manager planned at some point? | 22:21 |
| ggabriel | ZogG_laptop: awesome, you're sorted then. i have never even tried | 22:21 |
| phaeron | ~/.vault | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: what? | 22:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: what distro? | 22:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: desktop manager as in app for pc to backup/restore/copy/manage data and so on | 22:22 |
| ggabriel | ZogG_laptop: just gentoo, no genkernel, stable (so no hardeneed and only a few ~ packages) | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hahaha, i've just watched Riot-on ... it's simply amazing | 22:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: i have ~amd64 on desktop, gentoo-sources(manually compile and configed) but havn't update it in months | 22:23 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, i transfer files mostly via usb, so i'll try to find a cool way, being mtp or whatever | 22:24 |
| ggabriel | yeap, same gento-sources ftw | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: and funtoo on laptop as well ~amd64 (experimental) | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | RIOT-Entertainment was insane... in a sort of almost good way | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | and they seems to turn quite emerge again arrrrgggg | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: a phone is basically an advanced form of tic-tac-toe | 22:25 |
| ggabriel | quite emerge? | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: yes | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean turned it by default though i removed it once already | 22:25 |
| ggabriel | oic | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: Emerging (1 of 1) sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r3 | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | >>> Jobs: 0 of 1 complete, 1 running Load avg: 3.80, 2.02, 0.97 | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: does Jolla has something in common with RIOT? | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | when it;s like that instead of output | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok need to go | 22:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | battery is running out anyway | 22:26 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: link? | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: not really | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: but i do make sure every new person i can get my hands on watches it | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427783/ | 22:26 |
| ggabriel | ok, let's have a go at it ;-) | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i do hope maybe a small bit of the positive energy is in that | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | *i mean in Jolla | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's not all bad, ok, it's definately not good | 22:27 |
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| lowkyalur | hi all | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but if you have a somewhat liberal environment, and your workers have seen RIOT-On (so they know how NOT to do it), it could be ok | 22:28 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: but... "insane" is the operative word here | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: what, how 'not to do it' ;) | 22:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: funny thing is that my current boss, is a founder of a mobile services company, that's gone bancrupt in a few years | 22:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | just bought me some new headphones, as the ones from N8 didn't work on the Jolla | 22:30 |
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| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: which ones? | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: it also has a founder blackmailed by paying for hookers in philipines with company card :-) | 22:30 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: but that's about the extent of it | 22:30 |
| Morpog_PC | Sennheiser CX 300-II Precision | 22:30 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: my boss got out very soon | 22:30 |
| ggabriel | nice :) | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm definately showing this to my wife | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: even if there's 10% thruth to that movie... it's still unbelievable | 22:32 |
| special | if someone wants to help me be lazy: what version do you get from 'rpm -q jolla-messages'? | 22:33 |
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| Frye | jolla-messages-0.2.60-10.27.1.jolla.armv7hl | 22:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 22:33 |
| special | thanks | 22:33 |
| macmaN | Morpog_PC pigletto i was wondering the exact same thing about TOH ringtones | 22:33 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe it's a known bug | 22:34 |
| Frye | Yeah, now I can find the tones on music library. But I thought they were supposed to be more "automatic" | 22:34 |
| Frye | Maybe in a future yes | 22:34 |
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| macmaN | on other note, i'm finding the similar colored task tiles quite confusing | 22:35 |
| macmaN | harmattan's color-separated screenshots made it easier to find what you wanted | 22:35 |
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| pigletto | macmaN: if you set current ambience to The first one, then you'll have it's ringtones enabled by default | 22:37 |
| pigletto | macmaN: but in sound settings you will still see old ones | 22:37 |
| Frye | pigletto, no they are not enabled on my device | 22:37 |
| Frye | I still get the default ringtones | 22:37 |
| macmaN | i would have to compare the sounds to know | 22:38 |
| pigletto | Frye: hm, works for me | 22:38 |
| Frye | I just did as I got a hint that there is something special on the toh sounds | 22:38 |
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| pigletto | Frye: how do you check that? | 22:38 |
| pigletto | I just made a call from another device | 22:38 |
| Frye | ah good point | 22:39 |
| Frye | I have only heard the sounds that should be same ones... | 22:39 |
| Frye | As I hear the standard ringtone from my iPhone :D | 22:39 |
| Frye | I need to retest it | 22:39 |
| Frye | Yes, they are enabled, but not showing on settings. | 22:40 |
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| pigletto | Frye: exactly | 22:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | kinda strange | 22:40 |
| pigletto | and if you don't copy these to /home/nemo/Music you're not able to use them with another ambiances | 22:40 |
| Raim | oh, there are special ringtones? I would never have noticed... | 22:41 |
| MSameer | i think lone files under /home/nemo/ will get indexed too | 22:43 |
| MSameer | might be a bad habit to throw stuff unorganized like that | 22:43 |
| MSameer | but I do it all the time :p | 22:43 |
| pigletto | cp /usr/share/ambience/ambience-the-first-one/sounds/* /home/nemo/Music | 22:46 |
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| pigletto | indexing is kinda strange, yesterday Gallery app has indexed images from my microSD card... but today (possibly after system upgrade) it doesn't find it anymore | 22:47 |
| MSameer | there are some bugs related to sd card handling | 22:48 |
| restless_being | my whatsapp also is not able to find all photos.. | 22:48 |
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| restless_being | (although I don't have sd card) | 22:48 |
| MSameer | pigletto: it's related to how we tell tracker about the sd card | 22:48 |
| MSameer | pigletto: but we are crushing those bugs already :) | 22:49 |
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| Frye | Btw is there a possibility to set e-mail notifications from harbour? | 22:49 |
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| pigletto | MSameer: great :) but anyway it is fun and kind of adventure to find out that sdcard is mounted at /run/user/100000/media :) | 22:50 |
| sdjayna | frye: coming soon iirc | 22:51 |
| Frye | cool, ty | 22:51 |
| MSameer | pigletto: i always thought it's mounted elsewhere but then i don't use an sd card | 22:51 |
| restless_being | anyone expericencing wifi problems? I get quite often messages about lost connection or restored connection. N9 didn't had problem with signal in the same places | 22:51 |
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| metallisto | is it possible to change usb mode without unplugging? | 22:55 |
| wootis_lap | hi everybody, bought my Jolla phone today,and I really like it, but I have a couple of questions, if anyone would care to answer :). is it possible to have auto turn on screen when browsing or watching youtube , or sending text messages?.. cause it wont change by itself if i turn the phone. and second how do i go about to download android apps for it? :) | 22:55 |
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| MSameer | wootis_lap: 1) i really don't know but i don't think this feature is there 2) install android support from store | 22:57 |
| special | wootis_lap: landscape support for browser, messages, etc isn't ready yet, but it will be coming in an update | 22:58 |
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| special | metallisto: in settings, USB | 22:58 |
| merlin1991 | pigletto: what format does your sd partition have? | 22:58 |
| wootis_lap | ok ty all for the answers. and yes i have installed the android support now :P | 22:59 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: hm... I'm not sure, just removed it from another phone and inserted to jolla | 23:00 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: fdisk shows that it's FAT16 | 23:01 |
| merlin1991 | hm that should work from my experience (mine is fat32 though) | 23:02 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: I can access this card | 23:02 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: just images are not indexed by Gallery app | 23:02 |
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| phlixi | are there known issues with email? its saying "Updating" for ages now and there is no singe email (there shoudl be a lot) | 23:03 |
| * merlin1991 is in no way a knowledgeable source | 23:03 | |
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| merlin1991 | but try to give tracker a nodge | 23:03 |
| phlixi | ...sending works | 23:03 |
| merlin1991 | that should be the indexing service | 23:03 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: what do you mean by 'nodge'? | 23:04 |
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| Kabouik | Please, can someone explain me how to solve this? http://i.imgur.com/2k7P812.jpg | 23:04 |
| Kabouik | I really don't understand the consistency here | 23:04 |
| Kabouik | This is the same contact three times | 23:05 |
| merlin1991 | pigletto: something along the lines of systemctl(-user) restart $trackeservicefile.service | 23:05 |
| Kabouik | Four email address (two duplicates), then one email avec 2 gtalk address (including one which is the email address; note the 2 Google Accounts detected for the contact), and then only one | 23:05 |
| special | Kabouik: how many IM accounts do you have set up? | 23:06 |
| pigletto | merlin1991: I don't think that it can help as I've restarted device and it's still same | 23:06 |
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| Kabouik | Don't understand anything and it is really causing me trouble to understand how to text/email somebody, and how to merge contacts from Internet instant messaging and regular contacts | 23:06 |
| metallisto | special: I can change there only the default behaviour when plugging the usb | 23:07 |
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| Kabouik | Well, that's the other issue I was gonna rise after special! :P http://i.imgur.com/qAThYfk.png All these (but only two are activated, 3 are offline). | 23:07 |
| Kabouik | And of course the issue here: no way to rename them, so I have no idea what I put online or offline | 23:07 |
| special | well, there's your problem :p | 23:07 |
| merlin1991 | can one merge contacts in people? | 23:08 |
| special | merlin1991: pull down, "Link" | 23:08 |
| special | Kabouik: there are two google talk accounts linked on that contact. Each of them can contact Address1 and Address2 | 23:08 |
| Kabouik | Link from a contact in Text messaging, and then selecting a contact when asked, does not do anything in my case (tried it several times) | 23:08 |
| special | Kabouik: so you have "Address1 via Account1", "Address2 via Account1", "Address1 via Account2", .. | 23:08 |
| merlin1991 | pigletto: then there is tracker-control -r with a descritption of "kill all tracker processes and remove all databases" | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | So what should I do? Delete 4 google talk accounts and add them as simple Email accounts? | 23:09 |
| special | well, why do you have four of them? | 23:09 |
| petantik | merlin1991: No joy, it is because there is no provisioning support atm. | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | I need the 5 different email address, and two different gtalk accounts (hence 3 are set offline) | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | petantik: I came to the same conclusion :/ | 23:10 |
| special | Kabouik: okay. For the 3 that don't use google talk, you should disable instant messaging when creating the account | 23:10 |
| special | if you do that when created, they shouldn't even appear in presence | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | thanks special, somehow link didn't catch my eye when I inspected the pull-down | 23:11 |
| Kabouik | Ok (no way to edit an existing account, have to delete and redo?). But the two remaining will still result in duplicates, right? :/ | 23:11 |
| petantik | merlin1991: i suppose the more common provisions will be available soon | 23:11 |
| siwy | how can one bring back an "the first one" ambiance for exclusive other half once it got removed? | 23:11 |
| special | Kabouik: for the two gtalk accounts, if the same people are contacts for both, you will end up with two IM details for those. One issue here is that our UI doesn't make it clear which account you're using if you have more than one "Google" | 23:12 |
| petantik | does anyone know where the wireless profiles are installed? | 23:12 |
| merlin1991 | petantik: I'll just get the admin on the exchange to lower settings untill my device has a key, but this requrires a bit of social engineering | 23:12 |
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| Kabouik | Yes, when sending text, we should be able to select "Identify" prior to sending, and then only the contacts of this account should be displayed | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | Please tell me it's on the roadmap | 23:13 |
| special | it's definitely an issue I'm aware of - I have gtalk, 2 facebook, 2+ XMPP on my dev device | 23:14 |
| Kabouik | And apart from not knowing clearly which account is being used by default, note that there is absolutely no way to see which one's status is changed in the Status menu. It would be extremely useful to give them a name (like in Harmattan), or at least to show the email address associated (like in Sailfish eMail app) | 23:15 |
| petantik | merlin1991: i keep my old android just for exchange and 802.1x wireless auth | 23:15 |
| wootis_lap | should yandexstore be preinstalled on the phone?. cause i was watching youtube and the guy said he had it preinstalled. how do i get it to my jolla?..sry for Noob questions. | 23:15 |
| special | and some changes landed recently that provide all of the necessary information. It's a matter of figuring out the right UI. | 23:15 |
| special | the presence dialog is fixed already (but not for the next update) | 23:15 |
| Frye | wootis_lap, Yandex store comes when you install Android support from Jolla store | 23:16 |
| Kabouik | Whatever you chose, Pulley menu selector or Button next to the "Type of message", as long as it allows knowing which identity is being used, and only show the corresponding contacts, I sign and give my body to Jolla for Science. | 23:16 |
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| restless_being | wootis_lap: if you didnt'd done it yet then go to device settings -> system settings -> about device and pull down to check and install system updates | 23:17 |
| petantik | special: is there a fixed update schedules you work to? | 23:17 |
| w00t | petantik: we aim for once a month | 23:17 |
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| Kabouik | Great to know the presence screen is fixed! I was soooooo worried this thing would only be fixed in a while! Too bad it's not for next update though, but I'll just consider the next one is a small hotfix in a fex hours/days :P | 23:18 |
| special | petantik: we aim for once a month, that particular change came in too late to comfortably land it for the next update | 23:18 |
| restless_being | wootis_lap: you can also use browser to search for amazon android store and install it. and yandex.. I had to register on their website because it didn't work via phone | 23:18 |
| special | (I merged it yesterday) | 23:18 |
| wootis_lap | ok ty all | 23:19 |
| Kabouik | And so, in Settings/Accounts, no way to edit existing accounts? :< | 23:19 |
| phlixi | Kabouik: actually i just edited my email account there | 23:19 |
| special | Kabouik: you can, just tap and you can enable/disable features, pull down to update credentials | 23:19 |
| special | Kabouik: *but* I don't think it will delete those extra IM accounts if you just disable them. | 23:20 |
| Kabouik | Oh yes, don't ask me why, I only tried long press ! | 23:20 |
| Kabouik | Let's try and report special then :) | 23:20 |
| phlixi | talking about accounts... any idea what i might get wrong configuring imap? | 23:20 |
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| Kabouik | Right special, no change | 23:21 |
| special | Kabouik: I'll make sure there's a good bug somewhere on the "ambiguous instant messaging details for contacts" problem and try to get design input | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | Thanks special, I'm sure it would be important for a lot of people: it's something that can get really confusing in a lot of views (texts, people, message recipient selector, and so on) | 23:22 |
| Kabouik | And yet a lot of people probably have multiaccounts too | 23:22 |
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| special | Kabouik: it ended up that way because until the changes I merged yesterday, we didn't have the right info about the account readily available | 23:23 |
| special | now we do, so now we can figure out how to do it correctly. | 23:23 |
| Kabouik | Great news | 23:24 |
| special | I will also admit | 23:24 |
| special | I didn't expect to find anyone with five google accounts that quickly :p | 23:24 |
| Kabouik | And 2 of them are not there :> | 23:24 |
| Kabouik | But hey, no Facebook or XMPP! | 23:25 |
| restless_being | 2 questions: 1. how to uninstall android app, installed manually from .apk? 2. is there any working flashlight app? | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | apkd-install | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | apkd-uninstall app | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 23:25 |
| restless_being | tx :D | 23:26 |
| Kabouik | But I don't know how to purge the conf files, obviously they are kept | 23:26 |
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| Kabouik | I think you can uninstall it from the long press then cross on the icon restless_being | 23:26 |
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| chem|st | .vault is backup? | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Dammit. | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | In order to find out if I can easily 'write' a backlight app, I am going to have to get out of bed!!! | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh the humanity! | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | flashlight | 23:28 |
| restless_being | khem.. sorry | 23:28 |
| special | SpeedEvil: take a look at the mailing list history, some people have looked into it | 23:29 |
| special | not as easy as you'd think. | 23:29 |
| Kabouik | Special: just found another confusing screen about multiaccounts | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it a control on v4l again? | 23:29 |
| restless_being | Kabouik: indeed seems that it works too | 23:29 |
| Kabouik | If you try to send a message to somebody who has 2 Google accounts, chose Message type, then you can chose between two "Google" option | 23:30 |
| Kabouik | Still no way to distinguish them | 23:30 |
| special | Kabouik: yes, that one annoys me on a regular basis. | 23:30 |
| Kabouik | Hope solving the Presence multi-account issue (all having generic name instead of "Google - Username") will translate into that screen too | 23:31 |
| Kabouik | As a temporary workaround, is there a logic in the order? Alphabetical sorting? | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - version -3 of the flashlight app. | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The notification LED makes a very bad flashlight. | 23:31 |
| Kabouik | . | 23:32 |
| wootis_lap | ty all for your help, just had to install updates, and yandex was there :).. | 23:35 |
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| special | Kabouik: it may correspond to the order they were created in | 23:37 |
| Kabouik | Ok, but for a contact it can be difficult to guess then | 23:37 |
| special | or it may be entirely random. | 23:38 |
| Kabouik | By the way, I deleted 3 accounts, kept the 2 Google Accounts I want Gtalk included in | 23:38 |
| Kabouik | And when I try to send a Gtalk text to myself, it says I can't send a SMS (yes) to blabla@gmail.com because I am not connected to Google | 23:39 |
| Kabouik | But I am | 23:39 |
| Kabouik | I'd better delete all Google Accounts and restart from trash | 23:39 |
| Kabouik | Perhaps my whole Messages app was by default associated with one of the three accounts I deleted | 23:41 |
| Kabouik | Still the "SMS" thing is weird | 23:41 |
| special | what language was that in? | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | French | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | Not sure I could reproduce that easily | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | The Message app was not associated with one of the three accounts previously deleted, because the message history (including the notifications of failures for the last ones) disappeared when I deleted the two remaining accounts | 23:44 |
| Kabouik | So I don't know why it told me I was not connected to Google, I was (with Gmail open on the computer to control my online status) | 23:45 |
| special | "Impossible d'envoyer le SMS à %1"? | 23:46 |
| Kabouik | Ah sorry, I should have copied it in the given language, I don't remember and would not be accurate now | 23:47 |
| special | there aren't too many options | 23:47 |
| Kabouik | I *think* it was "Impossible d'envoier le SMS [...]" | 23:47 |
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| Kabouik | I *think* it was "Impossible d'envoyer le SMS [...]" (mistyping) | 23:47 |
| special | yep, that must be it | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | And you find it for non-SMS failure? Cool | 23:49 |
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| special | actually shows up in english too | 23:49 |
| Kabouik | Probably initially appeared in English and translated in all language :P | 23:50 |
| special | which unfortunately makes it my fault :p | 23:50 |
| Kabouik | Or was Finnish the Alpha virosed? :p | 23:50 |
| Kabouik | I'll keep my mouth shut! | 23:50 |
| Kabouik | (Now give me that stuff you keep secret, I don't know what yet, software, update, who cares, but 80 peoples in the world have it on their Jolla!) | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect I may not be awake. Can anyone point me at the kernel source? | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. About -> product - no licence for commercial use of video. So don't take anything that might be saleable. | 23:54 |
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| ShadowJK | Videos taken by camera? | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | (I am so happy you were convinced that a notification LED was useful. You were so damn right. You knew people would agree, but pressures for not putting it might have been important) | 23:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm aware of the unlikelyhood of the MPEG LA chasing up a video you put on youtube that was later sold to the BBC say. | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | Presumably videos uploaded to youtube counts as comercial use if you get admoney :) | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 23:56 |
| special | Kabouik: haha. No secrets from me ;) | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I note that for any early-brickers, a new update is available. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | adopters, I mean adopters. | 23:57 |
| Kabouik | No flasher, so we can't be the brickers we'd like to be SpeedEvil | 23:58 |
| Kabouik | Otherwise, it would be brick-frenzy-feast already. | 23:58 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes there were screens available. | 23:58 | |
| special | screens? | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | replacement ones, for drops. Or even an indication of the cost of repair for such | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: if there would be a flasher I'd already have requested the kernel code and would be haxx0ring on my toh :D | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's rebooted, and seems not dead yet. | 23:59 |
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