#jollamobile log for Monday, 2013-12-16

ln-another random question: are the app comments in the store intended to be used as a discussion forum? as that's what seems to be happening now, and i'm not entirely sure that's a good thing.00:01
merlin1991SpeedEvil: I've talked about that over in #quassel.de quassel qt5 support isn't really ready according to their devs00:01
SpeedEvilI guess quasseldroid will work.00:02
SpeedEvil(opensource android qauassle client)00:03
merlin1991I've started to work on a qml port again, but I'm starting based on harmattan to hopefully sync again with upstream when qt5 support is ready and just switch components to silicia00:03
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merlin1991for now I just try to understand which model goes where and what I need to plug together in order to achive the biggest damage possible :D00:03
merlin1991I got as far as hacking together a cmake script to build only the core bits I need00:04
merlin1991now I'm starting to add code on top, I'll see where that leads00:04
MorpogI just wait for irc-chatter00:05
ottuloI basically just wanted to install something, and as I have no idea about which Android client is best, I just went for the ~first hit on google00:07
ottulofirst that didn't require Google Play00:07
chem|stdo we have irssi?00:07
Turskifingerterm + openssh + tmux + irssi = <300:07
Turskichem|st: why would you run irssi on jolla?00:08
chem|stTurski: you can use irssi in some client mode iirc00:08
Turskibut as an answer: there doesn't seem to be irssi in repos00:09
chem|stTurski: and yes I ssh to a server where I have irssi centerim and mutt...00:09
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chem|stanyone up for porting columbus nav-toolkit?00:12
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ottuloargh00:32
ottuloI installed Amazon Appstore on the phone00:33
ottulobut after I logged in everything is in Japanese00:33
Turski:D00:35
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SpeedEvilLearn japanese!01:02
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ottuloSpeedEvil: I do know some already01:10
ottulobut it'd still be nice to at least have the option to use another language...01:10
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SpeedEvil:)01:12
SpeedEvilThe amazon store is in japanesse you mean - or the whole phone?01:13
ottulothe amazon appstore only01:19
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Venemoheh01:56
ottulohuh01:59
Venemotell me I'm not insane02:00
VenemoI'm staying up until I finish this homework02:00
Venemostill got 9 hours until the deadline02:00
nanderYay, I managed to participate in ludum dare, I made a game in 8 hours, including 2 hours of packaging ;)02:01
nanderIn a language I didn't know before xD02:01
Venemowow02:01
Venemowhat is ludum dare?02:01
nanderA 48 / 60 hour game challenge02:02
nander48 hours for solo , 60 for teams02:02
nanderCreate a game within that limit02:02
Venemowow02:02
Venemocongrats :)02:02
nanderI figured I'd participate 8 hours before deadline02:02
nanderhttp://halley.student.utwente.nl/game.zip << windows executable02:02
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VenemoI don't have windows here02:04
nanderhttp://halley.student.utwente.nl/source.zip02:05
nanderIt uses pygame02:05
nanderI used python 2.702:05
ottulowow02:08
ottulohad some connectivity issues02:08
VenemoI downloaded it02:08
Venemobut don't have time now to check, sorry02:08
ottulobluetooth icon was visible although I disabled it, wlan and mobile data couldn't connect02:08
VenemoI will take a look tomorrow02:08
ottulowhen I rebooted the connectivity issues seem to have vanished02:08
ottulobut my app icons are in a different order now :o02:09
nanderIt's not really special02:10
nanderMinimalistic at best02:10
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ottuloAngry Birds Go seems to work nicely02:21
ottuloincluding steering by tilting phone02:21
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SpeedEvil:)03:04
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AL13N_lizzyjolla on eBAY: Sold at 850£(1008€) and at $1175(855€); 315£(373€ (?)) (8h left); 700£(830€) (1d left); 550£ (0 bids, 2d left); $570 (0 bids, 2.5d left); $585 (3.5d left)06:49
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hene-:)06:52
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atlazIt's monday, monday, gotta get up on monday. Everybody's soul is dying a little bit before the weekend, weekend07:02
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Nicd-hey ln-, is your uptime still "1 day"?07:20
Nicd-I've uploaded a new package here: https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/downloads#download-28207307:20
Nicd-others can test too07:21
Nicd-version 1.0.1-107:21
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Yanielhmm wouldn't 'Sails Up' be a more fitting name? :P07:22
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Nicd-I'm bad with names07:22
Nicd-"SailTime shows how long your phone has been sailing the open seas, or in other words, how long it has been switched on."07:22
ln-i didn't happen to take the phone with me to work, so can't test before early evening... the uptime certainly won't be 1 day by then anymore, though.07:23
Nicd-should work though, just added one '?' to the regex07:23
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ln-btw, uptime's idea of "switched on" might be somewhat different than end user's idea. at least on N9, uptime did not reset if you switched the phone off and on while it was charging, or something like that.07:25
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Nicd-could be, I haven't checked that07:25
faenilmoo07:26
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Nicd-ln-: it was reset07:27
Nicd-I had my charger plugged in the whole time07:27
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atlazNicd-: i could test. How do you install that package after downloading?07:30
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atlazfailed dependencies on install07:34
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atlaz*i have no idea what i'm doing*07:37
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Jonni\o/ just managed to make me Wireless Charging other half :)08:06
stephgooer08:07
leinirJonni: niiice :)08:07
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hene-Jonni, nice!08:08
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AL13N_workJonni: how the hell did you do that?08:19
tbrJonni: nice, still haven't had the time to buy one of those inlays... :/08:20
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JonniAL13N_work: just bought some cheap  Qi Wireless Charging Receiver Module and connected it to the charging pins.08:30
Jonnithose thin ones fit under the cover.08:31
AL13N_workah08:31
AL13N_workbtw: how are those charging wirelessly?08:32
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Jonnishould work against any qi charging power pad. But I'm still experimenting and looking that would be the best combination.08:34
Jonnireceiver was about 6 euroes from ebay and power pad was about 16e.08:34
nahkissah, just had the idea of Qi TOH this morning08:34
nahkisscan you link what you ordered Jonni08:34
nahkissor if you have some project page or something08:35
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hene-Jonni, really really nice work :)08:35
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Jonniproject page coming up later. I think that the 1st one that I ordered was http://www.ebay.ie/itm/290994467448, but thats only for 600mA, and pins support upto 1000mA, so my next one was 1A, but thats still is in transit.08:36
MFaro-TusinoJonni: Could you not use a Lumia charging shell and connect that?08:38
nahkissyou mean the lumia receiver part?08:39
nahkisswhich is build-in to the case that you buy separately08:39
MFaro-Tusinonahkiss: Thats exactly what I mean - I swapped the charging coil form the 925 shell and put it under the back plate of the device itself, so wondering if you can out that coil under TOH the same way - obviously just modifying the connection from the coil to the pins08:40
nahkissisn't that what jonni is doing, except he's using coils made for other phones08:41
Nicd-atlaz: in terminal 'pkcon install-local file.rpm08:42
AL13N_workwhat i mean is, how does this kind of wireless power transfer happen?08:42
nahkisssince the only difference is the coil size and shape08:42
MFaro-Tusinonahkiss: I believe so - just checking that it could work (I won't need to purchase any new parts that way)08:42
hene-AL13N_work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging08:42
nahkissMFaro-Tusino: if it's Qi then it's all good08:42
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AL13N_workah, inductive08:42
AL13N_workbut08:42
AL13N_workisn't that kinda dangerous to the flash chip?08:43
MFaro-TusinoAL13N_work: IIRC - someone showed an image of the Jolla device having the hardware support - so it would just need to be connected, Qi or not just depends on the coil you buy and the charger (I think - not 100% certain)08:43
nahkissAL13N_work: it's used on retail phones, so I doubt08:43
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AL13N_workeven if it's used on retail phones, it could still less then life on the flash chip...08:43
AL13N_workunless most stuff is faraday shielded, which i doubt very much08:44
* lpotter would rather have solar charger TOH08:44
* AL13N_work too08:44
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* MFaro-Tusino agrees with lpotter08:45
nahkisssolar charging needs a bit more modifications to TOH I guess08:45
AL13N_worklpotter: btw: about our discussion the other day, would it be good if such a bugtracker emails either a confirmed shortlist to devel@sailfishos.org or each bug directly to something like bugs@sailfishos.org ?08:46
AL13N_worklpotter: or you still prefer not?08:46
MFaro-Tusinonahkiss: Well it would just need a solar charging panel that had the connection pins to the back of the device like the induction charging coil08:46
nahkissdoesn't it need somekind of controller08:47
lpotterAL13N_work: well... ideally, it would be part of jolla internal bug thing. any 3rd party bug reporter tool would be difficult otherwise08:48
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Jonnithere are still some issues on the charging pins, but I'm filing a bug and hoping that it will be fixed.....08:50
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Nicd-hmm, my uptime program showed 1 minute load average of 4109:02
Nicd-and 5 minutes was at 10 :P09:02
whipplerany idea on how to get Database ID field to auto increment09:02
Nicd-whippler: localstorage?09:03
whippleri have id IDENTITY (1,1) PRIMARY KEY09:03
whippleron the create table09:03
TheBootrooOhai !09:03
TheBootrooNo update over the weekend anyone ?09:03
whipplerbut when i insert rows the id field is "undefined"09:03
TheBootroo(not me at least)09:03
Nicd-whippler: try 'id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT'09:03
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whipplerNicd-: still says undefined, my inser is: ('INSERT OR REPLACE INTO notes (title, txt, time) VALUES (?,?,?);', [title,txt,time])09:05
Nicd-whippler: how do you read from the table? can you pastebin your code?09:06
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AL13N_worklpotter: thanks for your reaction09:07
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whipplerNicd-: http://pastebin.com/0fwphxTi09:08
whipplerOH im not selecting the id field -.-'09:08
Nicd-yep09:08
AL13N_worklpotter: personally, i just want to keep a list so that nothing gets forgotten, but i believe before marketing can give priority to halfopen internal bugtracker or a separate publig bugtracker, something in the community needs to start09:08
TheBootrooggabriel: any pronostics to put out now that we are monday morning and %age didn't even reached 45% yet09:09
AL13N_workJonni: did you send email to devel@ ML or just email to jolla directly? (like support@ ?)09:09
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AL13N_workJonni: i'm mentioning because a lot of devs are here, so  unless it's sort of private...09:09
TheBootrookinda big slowdown instead of speedup in shipment, mine must be processed until wednesday if i want to have it before i leave saturday morning09:10
JonniAL13N_work: I cheat and use internal bugzilla :)09:10
AL13N_workic, nvm then :-)09:10
TheBootrootachikoma: nothing for you yet ?09:10
* AL13N_work didn't know Jonni was "connected"09:10
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tachikomaTheBootroo: no change09:10
TheBootrootachikoma: :-(09:11
TheBootrooi'm all with you09:11
tachikomayeah, well, it will come one day09:11
TheBootrootachikoma: but that day is not today09:12
tachikomayes, well ...09:13
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AL13N_workTheBootroo: on ebay, there's a Jolla being sold for 315£ (~370€) (it times out in a few hours)09:14
TheBootrooAL13N_work: it's a used one i guess ,09:15
AL13N_worknot really, (all the others have sold above 800€), but this seller seems to have only 1 feedback09:15
AL13N_workand not LE TOH09:15
atlazUsed one... The phone has been on the market for what, 3 weeks? :D09:16
yanoolol, just received my jolla, but on shop status is still "In Picking" :D09:17
tachikomayanoo: lol09:18
tachikomayanoo: did you get a tracking number/mail ?09:18
leiniryanoo: much better situation than if it were the opposite, eh? ;)09:18
atlazI have some guys coming to drill my floor to a thousand pieces after a small water leakage. They were supposed to be here at 10:00. It's now 11:19.09:19
Stskeepsatlaz: they probably used a jolla and the alarm application ;p09:20
atlazHah. Well f*ck them. Need to get to work if im gonna save this week.09:20
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tachikomaatlaz: you are not by any chance from germany?09:21
tachikomahere I had appointments with people to fix stuff at 8:300 and they arrived at 15:0009:21
yanooleinir: not :D09:21
yanoomeh09:21
yanootachikoma: not, I didn't :D09:22
yanooleinir: sure ;)09:22
ShadowJKIt's pretty hard as a professional to schedule stuff09:22
TheBootrooyanoo: at least Fedex caked you for delivery ?09:22
tachikomayanoo: no tracking mail - it just arrived?09:22
ShadowJKregardless if it's someone saying "My computer is broken" or "My floor is broken" :)09:22
yanooTheBootroo: yes, Fedex09:23
yanootachikoma: right :D09:23
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yanoothat's why at Friday I was asking if any phones were sent. Thursday finished with 3xx with status "shipped" no one was added at Friday09:24
yanooat least in the spreadsheet09:24
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tobiskiwhat's the url of that spreadsheet?09:26
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tachikomayanoo: fascinating09:27
tachikomagives the wohle thing another level of weirdness09:27
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AL13N_workyanoo: it could be in error... maybe best if you contact Jolla about it09:28
AL13N_workperhaps you got one meant for another user09:28
* AL13N_work has the idea that alot of manual needed tasks at high speed are error-prone09:28
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tobiskiJust went from "Paid" to "In Picking" order id 1000022xx09:33
restless_beingHmm.. a courier has just called me that he has something for me from Finland. My order is "in picking" in the shop.09:34
ggabrieltobiski: woohoo09:34
leinirtobiski: nicely :)09:34
ggabrielrestless_being: yeap, some people don't get their tracking numbers09:34
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tobiskisecond-wave pre-order09:34
ggabrielyou can put it under the tree now :)09:35
ggabrieldon't open it!09:35
pdanek1then santa will steal it09:35
ggabrielset a bear trap for santa09:35
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hene-:-)09:41
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Tofemorning09:45
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atlaztachikoma: nah, Finland. It's an universal problem it seems :)09:48
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TheBootrooyanoo: yeah i'm afraid to see that the highest order number processed is 200002383 since thursday09:48
TheBootroono higher update since 4 days09:48
jreznikooh, christmas present :) my order is still in picking on the web, no tracking number but just received a call from shipping company that they have a shipment from finland for me and they will be in the office in two hours :D09:49
atlaztachikoma: im still waiting for the electrician who was supposed to come "next thursday" three years ago. I've already sold the appartment where i needed the fixing ;P09:49
jreznikggabriel: yep, no trakcing number received on phone is already in brno09:50
restless_being:D so my jolla has just arrived \o/09:50
Stskeepsrestless_being: \o/09:50
Stskeepsplease let us know of your first impressions09:50
tachikomaatlaz: lol09:50
Stskeepsand update the device, please09:50
tachikomawhit - i should go home, wouldn't miss the delivery09:51
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atlaztachikoma: best thing was, i saw the electrician in a shop a year ago (i live in a small city). His face went white and he duck behinds some shelves to hide from me.09:52
atlazI was sure he was gonna call me the next day and be all like "yeah so... that outlet problem you had.. i could come fix it now", but that didn't happen :)09:53
tachikomaatlaz: so he even remembered you ... wow09:53
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atlazIf i didn't have my company, i'd start a repair/maintenace company and market myself as "the only repairman who actually comes when he says he'll come, or your money back". I would make millions. Billions even.09:54
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TheBootrootachikoma: are you really thinking you will get delivery today ???09:55
tachikomaTheBootroo: i fear it, as i'm not at home09:55
tachikomaaccording to murphy it should get delivered then ;)09:56
TheBootrootachikoma: don't worry, you won'get get it anytime soon ;-)09:56
tachikomahehe TheBootroo09:56
tachikomaactually, i kinda expected that09:56
TheBootroobtw, all the people who ahve update / delivery, please update spreadsheet so the other of us can see what is happening09:57
chem|stjreznik: that sounds like teh pic cybette twittered from friday night were actually vans hitting the road that night...09:57
tachikomai choose delive to home, not to my workplace, as i feared it then might arrive in the owrkplace address when I'm on christmas vacation at home09:57
chem|stguess the problem with shipping is that the local postoffice denies any more servicing^^09:57
Stskeepsjreznik: first RPM based phone coming to RH offices? ;)09:57
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tobiskiTheBootroo: what's the url09:58
TheBootroohttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=109:58
tachikomajreznik: you are from redhat?09:58
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TheBootrooother things that make me fear : not a single tweet since Friday on JollaHQ10:00
tachikomajreznik: greetings from suse ;)10:00
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TheBootrooand so many orders between 1000 and 2500 with no update in one week10:00
jreznikStskeeps: lol :) but Anaconda folks were playing with N950 image last week and what I heard was "wow, that phone's firmware could be build by using kickstarts! amazing"10:00
jrezniktachikoma: yep and greetings back to suse (and jolla of course ;-)10:01
* TheBootroo needs coffee10:01
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning !10:01
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yanoowhat the heck, what kind of SIM card should I have to jolla? my old one doesn't fit :(10:02
hene-microsim10:02
atlazMicroSim10:02
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yanoothanks10:02
hene-thats mostly used sim right now10:02
atlazhttp://www.thechinacellphone.com/micro_sim_template.pdf for you DIY guys10:02
Nicd-wth, my phone is idling and when I unlock it and refresh my uptime app, I get 15 minute load averages of ~1310:02
jjaone123Hello sailors, I'm here again to report some installation (Jolla store) problems..10:03
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning jjaone123 !10:03
jjaone123Hello Sfiet_Konstantin10:04
Stskeepsjjaone123: is it breaking at this exact moment?10:04
jjaone123Yes..10:04
Sfiet_Konstantinjjaone123: what kind of problems ?10:04
jjaone123just tries to install an app from Jollastore (scientific calculator), and..10:05
Sfiet_Konstantinwifi 3g ?10:05
jjaone123the installtion fails with "Oroblem with store"..10:05
jjaone123Wifi at home..10:05
jjaone123Now I  have log with journalctl  -af10:05
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jjaone123which shows lines like "Dec 16 11:19:46 localhost ssu[13666]: ssu: Device not registered -- skipping credential u10:06
jjaone123pdate10:06
jjaone123"10:06
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jjaone123.. and "ssu status" gives me "Device registration status: not registered10:07
jjaone123Device model: Jolla (SbJ / JP-1301)10:07
jjaone123Device UID: 35974505000524510:07
jjaone123Release: 1.0.1.10"10:07
jjaone123Could it be that because of "device not registered" I always get these installation problemes from Jolla store?10:08
fluxrumor says jolla store is having trouble today10:08
Stskeepswe have some problems with store right now10:08
jjaone123Ok, so maybe I'll try the same later..10:09
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Stskeepsjjaone123: can you try zypper clean -a and try again?10:09
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jjaone123I had similar problem previously, but then I did not have the "journalctl -af" log..10:10
TheBootrooGIMME MAI DEVICE NAO PLZ KTHXBTY10:10
jjaone123Stskeeps: zypper -a ok, will try10:10
atlazTheBootroo: Jesus fucking christ, calm the fuck down.10:10
jjaone123zypper clean -a10:10
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Nicd-atlaz: were you able to install it?10:10
atlazNicd-: nah, it said something about dependencies10:10
restless_beingI'm trying to log into jolla account but.. I can't because it's not possible to enter _ character on the keyboard... Am I missing something?10:10
TheBootrooi'm not kidding, guys, if i don't get update REALLY soon, it's gonna be armageddon10:10
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Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: geez, still not having your device10:11
restless_being i mean jolla's phone keyboard :D10:11
Sfiet_Konstantinother frenchies got it10:11
merlin1991TheBootroo: shouldn't that be GIMME MAH DEVICE NAO PLZ KTHXBTY ?10:11
TheBootroomerlin1991: nope10:11
Nicd-atlaz: can you try again?10:11
restless_beingah.. got it.. had to click on "1/2"10:11
atlazNicd-: libsailfishapp.so.1 is needed by harbour-sailtime-1.....10:11
tachikoma"BTY"?10:11
TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: yeah i know10:11
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: :(10:11
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: got it shipping or still paid ?10:11
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: when did you paid ?10:11
TheBootrootachikoma: maybe there is an extra T XD10:12
TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: 27nov10:12
TheBootrooand not a single update since then10:12
jjaone123zypper: command not found :(10:12
TheBootrooexcepted the global generic excuse mail10:12
tachikomaTheBootroo: maybe, i just would not like to say bye after getting a phone with beta os ;)10:12
Sfiet_Konstantinjjaone123: pkcon install zypper10:12
Sfiet_Konstantin:)10:12
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: good luck :/10:12
Nicd-atlaz: does it give you the opportunity to install them?10:12
* Sfiet_Konstantin needs moar RAM10:12
TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: :-(10:12
Sfiet_Konstantinon laptop10:12
atlazNicd-: i tried installing it by rpm -ivh Downloads/harbour... etc10:13
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: seems to be quite late10:13
atlazCause, you know, i don't know what im doing10:13
Sfiet_Konstantin(when you paid)10:13
Nicd-atlaz: can you try with 'pkcon install-local file.rpm'?10:13
TheBootrooi need luck and patience and it seems i've run out of both10:13
Frye=(10:13
tachikomaSfiet_Konstantin: i also paid that day - which was the day i got my shop invitation ;)10:13
tachikomai'd paid earlier, if i could have10:14
TheBootrooyeah, i would have paid earlier if i had my credential earlier10:14
TheBootroogot them at 10:05, paid at 10:4710:14
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: ah :(10:14
jjaone123complains abt PackageKit blocking zypper.. Telling PackageKit to quit: yes10:14
Sfiet_Konstantinnot nice :(10:14
atlazNicd-: allright. Now it installs10:14
tachikomajjaone123: welcome to packagekit :)10:15
jjaone123All repositories have been cleaned up.10:15
atlazNicd-: says Uptime 1 days 0h 33min. Im pretty sure i've had it on for longer10:15
Tofeatlaz: you didn't reboot for an update or anything ?10:16
jjaone123ok. now I'll install from device again, and log from ssh with "journalctl -af".. lets see..10:16
atlazTofe: hmmm.. i may have rebooted it when trying to install google play...10:16
Tofemaybe time did stretch a bit, it seems to happen a lot at this time of the year, especially around Jolla :)10:16
atlazYeah. I updated my facebook status yesterday  at 11:56 AM. "Wohoo, google play on Jolla". So the 1 day uptime is actually realistic :P10:17
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atlazI was sure i rebooted the phone on saturday since my significant other was mad as hell all day, but hey, could've just as easy been yesterday :P10:18
TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: on TMO thread the only people that claim having it delivered have order num < 100010:19
TheBootroopretty low IMHO10:19
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: not everyone is on TMO10:19
TheBootrooi'm 2549 and some people are ~400010:19
Sfiet_Konstantinand I don't know10:19
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TofeTheBootroo: people on TMO are likely to be the ones that would jump on the website as soon as the selling starts10:20
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tachikomaat least my decision to get it shiopped to my home adress in case it arrives when I'm on vacation was a good decision10:20
Tofeyou've got some biais in your stats :)10:20
TheBootrooTofe: ok so not everyone is on TMO, not everyone updates the spreadsheet, and Jolla give us no precise info, only blurred generical stuff, oh and the website is not up to date.... what the hell can we do ?10:21
Stskeepspanic?10:21
TheBootrookeep calm and  fuck it all10:21
TheBootrooStskeeps: DONE.10:21
TofeTheBootroo: in the meantime, you can develop a more precise prediction algorithm10:22
tachikomawell, we can do one of the myriad of other things in life beside waiting for a piece of silicium and plastic ;)10:22
TheBootrooTofe: i'm tired of prediction, i want/need/require real accurate information10:22
tachikomaI doubt even jolla has that ;)10:22
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jjaone123Ok, after "zypper clean -a" installation of "Scientific Calculator" worked :) And the journalctl log looks pretty much the same..10:23
jjaone123Thanks10:24
TheBootrootachikoma: man, they at least have invoices/tickets from devices/parcel they processed and sent, they just don't want to communicate about it10:24
jjaone123Maybe this fixes future installs too..10:24
atlazDid anyone ever find out how to enable wifi-hotspot from the terminal? Im guessing i need to bring my tablet with me to share the interwebs for my laptop :(10:25
jjaone123One question: what does the "zypper clean -a" actually clean?10:25
Nicd-atlaz: thanks for installing. the bug is fixed I see10:25
Stskeepsjjaone123: cleans out all cached credentials etc10:25
Nicd-atlaz: timer still doesn't always work, I have to investigate that10:25
atlazIt now asys 1 days 0h 44min. What does the other numbers on the lower half say?10:26
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atlaz1.07, 0.98, 0.9710:26
Nicd-atlaz: they are load averages for 1, 5 and 15 minutes10:26
atlazAllright10:26
jjaone123Stskeeps: ok, thanks. seems that the device registartion status had nothing to do with the problem..10:27
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restless_beingok, so the first questions: 1. how can I update the device? I see no such option, there's also no notification about available updates10:32
ShadowJKiirc there's a thing in something like "about device" or similar10:33
atlazsettings -> system settings -> about product -> slide down10:33
* ShadowJK forgets, only touched a jolla for 5 minutes10:33
jjaone123alaz: Pull down ;)10:33
atlazYeah :)10:34
restless_beinghm, says that it's up to date. but it's 1.0.0.510:34
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atlazDid you PULL down and choose check for updates?10:34
restless_beingyes10:34
atlazWeird. Newest is 1.0.1.10 (laadunjärvi)10:35
restless_beingit's checking for updates for a while and then report's it's up to date10:35
jjaone123restless_being: FYI: mine is at 1.0.1.10 but had problems to upgrate from 1.0.0.5 a week ago..10:36
mordi could not get the device to update to laadunjärvi via the gui either; pkcon update works though10:36
Stskeepsrestless_being: you have a jolla account?10:36
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restless_beingStskeeps: yes i do have one10:36
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restless_beingi wonder if it's caused by store problem10:37
jjaone123mord: same here, had to do "pkcon get-updates.." etc..10:37
restless_beingi can't istall for example calendar, as someone mentioned above10:37
Stskeepsrestless_being: that's not impossible10:37
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restless_beingi can't enable developer mode too10:38
jjaone123restless_being: uhh..10:38
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restless_beingit says that there's a: Problem installing jolla-developer-mod(endofscreen)10:39
restless_beingbtw -what is this SSU visible on the developer tools page?10:39
faenilrestless_being, not public repos10:40
Stskeepsrestless_being: don't put a login/pass in there :)10:41
Tofeok, I'll now go on a little walk downtown...10:41
jjaone123Tofe: have fun ;) which town?10:42
Tofejjaone123: Turku10:42
jjaone123Tofe: Ah, Åbo10:42
Tofejepp, precis10:42
jjaone123Tofe: have fun eniveis..10:42
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restless_beingStskeeps: it asks about login pass... so it's not the same as the one for jolla account, right?10:43
Tofejjaone123: you're from Tampere ? ;)10:43
TheBootroohas anyone with 0€ been shipped?10:44
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tbrrestless_being: if you pressed that button you screwed up your repository settings10:44
jjaone123Tofe: not quite.. I'm in Lapland now... but originally from Hyvinkää (Well-by)10:44
tbrrestless_being: there are instructions somewhere, on elinux probably how to fix it10:45
restless_beingtbr: oh.. cool10:45
restless_being:/10:45
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Tofejjaone123: oh, ok, not quite the same part of the country :)10:45
faeniljust run "ssu domain sales"10:45
Tofeok, can't wait, gotta leave10:45
Tofebye !10:45
tbrrestless_being: what faenil said10:45
tbrand after that probably also pkcon refresh10:45
jjaone123Tofe: se on  moro!!10:45
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restless_beingtbr: but where should i run this command?10:46
atlaz:D10:47
tbrrestless_being: either in fingerterm or through ssh10:47
jjaone123BTW: is this the right channel to discuss development / SaillfishOS related things.. or should I go to #sailfishos chat room,  or SailfishOS dev mailing list..10:48
tbrthe other channel is for development issues10:48
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jjaone123tbr: ok, I have some dev issues, or actually questions abt SDK spesfically..10:49
tbrthen #sailfishos is the place10:49
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tbrjust /join #sailfishos10:49
jjaone123tbr: right, thanks ;)10:50
MFaro-Tusinozypper in jolla-gold jolla-bootchart < does that work for anyone non-Jolla employee?10:51
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jjaone123tbr: will do.. just want know abt the tQt ranslation tools support and how to use System Settings Gui in own apps etc..10:51
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fluxnoticed that the backup system of jolla uses git10:53
whipplerhmm whe  i deploy to jolla device from the ide, sometimes to UI of the app is unresponsive for some reason. Polley menus wont open, but they play to select sound etc10:54
fluxgreat and all that, but I decided to kill the 100% cpu consuming git after it had been backing up my 1 gigabyte video + a few photos for a few minutes..10:54
whipplerbug, or something wrong with my code10:54
jjaone123bye all, thanks for listening :) Moving to #sailfishos for now..10:54
fluxalso the gui doesn't realize I did it :)10:55
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: what's jolla-gold ?10:56
MFaro-Tusinojolla-gold                                     | Jolla gold theme             sfiet_Konstantin:10:56
TheBootrooSCOOP : someone on TMO said that as soon your order goes In Picking you can use your Order Number as Fedex tracking number on their website, and some other members confirmed10:57
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: D:10:57
atlazWhat is jolla-gold. I need jolla-gold. What is it? I need it.10:57
TheBootrooanyway, mine is still paid, fedex returns nothing10:57
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: pimp my Jolla to make it like the iPhone 5S champain ? :D10:57
MFaro-TusinoThere are a lot of packages in the repos I want to get my hands on10:57
MFaro-Tusinohehe10:57
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MFaro-Tusinoeg. jolla-hw-adaptation-n9                         | Jolla HW Adaptation N9                                                        | pattern10:58
MFaro-Tusino  | jolla-image-creation-tools                     | Jolla Image Creation Tools10:58
atlazCan't you just like pkcon install jolla-gold or...something the likes?10:58
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: hehe10:58
Sfiet_Konstantincannot try, no device atm10:58
MFaro-Tusinoatlaz: I got error syaing cant be found (but using N950 so not sure if thats why)10:59
MFaro-Tusinos/syaing/saying10:59
atlazWell im up for trying10:59
MFaro-Tusinothough I can search for the package and get its title which is odd10:59
MFaro-TusinoAtalz: Thank you :)10:59
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whipplerHow can i call a funktion when i swipe to previous page in the app?11:00
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atlaz"fatal error: file './no-oss/noarch(jolla-gold-0.0.3-10.3.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium 'http://release.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.10/jolla.armv7hl/"11:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwhippler: -> #sailfishos ?11:01
MFaro-Tusinoatlaz: Error I got too - so not N950 specific11:02
MFaro-Tusinotry getting jolla-sailfish-applications11:02
whipplerSfiet_konstantin: is hould ask there?, okey11:02
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Sfiet_Konstantinwhippler: for apps dev things, better use #sailfishos11:02
nadrielWeird.. For some reason some of my ambiences disappear and also the pictures they we're made of..11:06
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: tried in gallery > ambience page ?11:06
Sfiet_Konstantinaren't they simply "disabled" ?11:06
nadrielNope, the whole pictures disappear from the pictures section.11:06
nadrielAnd also the ambiances11:06
nadrielHappened more than once,.11:07
nadrielI wonder if it has something to do with taking backups.11:07
restless_beingtbr: stupid questions - will ssh access work with no developer mode enabled? I don't have it enabled so I don't have the terminal11:07
tbrrestless_being: nope11:07
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restless_beingso.. seems that i'll have to wait for jolla store to be back11:09
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: ...11:10
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: this is wrong11:10
Sfiet_Konstantinwhere does these pictures comes from ?11:10
nadrielSfiet_Konstantin, I'm taking backups to the computer and do some research11:11
nadrielSfiet_Konstantin, they're in the Phone memory, I think, but I need to re-chech, 'cause this is weird.11:12
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: yup11:12
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nadrielI Mean I've already lost most of the pictures that came with jolla, the ambiance pictures, like rope, camera etc. Then I've lost some of my own photos11:16
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nadrielI'm not sure when, but at some point when I wanted to change ambiance there wre only the current one left.11:16
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nadrielHas happened twice, first a few days ago and second time yesterday11:17
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Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: only photos, nothing else ?11:18
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nadrielToday was the first time I've restored from backup. And I've taken 'bout 3-4 backups after I've gotten things set up11:18
nadrielYes, only photos11:18
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nadrielAnd only the ones that were made as ambiance.11:18
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: checked if they were still on disk ?11:19
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: dev mode enabled ?11:19
nadrielThe first time dev mode was not enabled, I think. Second time it was.11:19
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nadrielI'm currently checking what is amiss..11:19
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: are photos missing right now11:20
Sfiet_Konstantin?11:20
Sfiet_Konstantinif yes, open terminal and cd /home/nemo/Pictures11:20
Sfiet_Konstantinls11:20
sharpneliHave you backported btrfs fixes from later kernel versions to 3.4.0 btw?11:20
nadrielWait a moment, I'll come back with something in a bit11:20
Sfiet_Konstantinnadriel: thx11:21
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yanoowhen I started the phone I got a view with possible accounts to enable - twitter, facebook, mail etc, but somehow it dissapear and I cannot find it. Where is it? :D11:22
Sfiet_Konstantinyanoo: settings > accounts11:23
Sfiet_Konstantin:)11:23
chem|stwoohoo, delivered...11:24
yanoolooks like a lot of celebration today :)11:25
chem|stguys as it seems that we have no tracking numbers... my sister just found out that she can find my package tracking and hers as well by going to fedex and input reference country and postcode11:25
chem|stwhere reference is your ordernumber (not orderID)11:26
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ortylpMy Jolla has just been delivered :D (Germany/BW)11:29
Stskeepsortylp: congratulations11:29
FryeSounds like today might be christmas for many :D11:29
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ortylpStskeeps: thanks :)11:29
yanooSfiet_Konstantin: ach, I have to choose "add account" from the pulley menu! found, thanks :)11:29
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atlazSeems that TheBootroo is the only one not getting a Jolla for christmas11:35
ShadowJKand me11:36
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ortylpmy TOH comes in separate delivery11:37
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merlin1991atlaz: and me ofc11:38
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chem|stmerlin1991: check fedex with your ordernumber and stuff11:39
ortylpmy order status is still "in picking" but Jolla has arrived today anyway, don't loose hope :)11:40
faenilyeah many people received the device with status still in picking, so keep tight guys! :)11:41
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nahkissstill in "paid"11:41
nahkiss*wrists*11:41
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chem|stortylp: that is what I said... mine is delivered and I am not even at home.. my sister found out that the packages are registered with our ordernumbers as reference at fedex...11:43
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ShadowJKHm, so by the time it switches to "shipped" or whatever in store, and you get the tracking number, you discover that your jolla has already been 3 times to your house when you've been away, and is now halfway to the north pole? :))11:47
StskeepsShadowJK: switchover to SANTA DELIVERY SYSTEM11:48
ShadowJKthough it doesn't apply to me, hopefully it's Itella for me and not fedex :)11:49
restless_beinghuh, factory reset "repaired" the device. dev mode enabled, shop works, update in progress11:49
triggerhappyquestion, when will international orders be shipped?11:49
ShadowJKtriggerhappy; EU is shipping11:49
restless_beingso ssu was a problem11:49
Stskeepstriggerhappy: well, EU is getting theirs currently11:49
triggerhappystill going to be a bit of a wait i guess, thanks11:50
Bysmyyrfirst happy ones got their phones friday11:50
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lildeimosfinally got my shipment# too \o/11:59
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leinirwhat's your order number? :)11:59
chem|sttriggerhappy: define international... there is only switzerland not EU12:01
lildeimosleinir: #1 :D12:02
leinirlildeimos: derp ;)12:02
faenillildeimos, \o/12:02
lildeimos:)12:02
chem|stand sweden sry12:02
chem|stehrm norway that is...12:02
chem|stI mess that up all times12:02
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ShadowJKeu + switzerland + norway12:02
chem|stShadowJK: thanks ;)12:02
ShadowJKbut no iceland? :P12:02
triggerhappysouth east asia, philippines to be exact12:03
AL13N_workwasn't asia next on the list?12:03
chem|sttriggerhappy: there was no pre-order for asia yet12:03
AL13N_workand didn't they also say that there would be an international webshop early next year?12:03
ShadowJKwas first preorder global?12:03
chem|stAL13N_work: china is next but I guess they will start china + just like EU +12:03
AL13N_workis it really china? or asia?12:04
chem|stchina12:04
chem|stiirc12:04
AL13N_worki thought the china market would have sailfishOS, but possibly diff hardware12:04
chem|stShadowJK: the 0eur pre-order was iirc12:04
SpeedEvilOn the one hand. I have no email tracking number.12:04
SpeedEvilOn the other hand, I do have the phone.12:05
AL13N_workwut?12:05
chem|stSpeedEvil: mine is delived and shop shows in picking12:05
SpeedEvilActually - no.12:05
SpeedEvilThe tracking number just arrived.12:05
SpeedEvil:)12:05
chem|stagain... mine is delivered... my sister found out that the packages are registered with our ordernumbers as reference at fedex...12:05
leinirHa ;)12:06
chem|stshe gatulated me to my new phone and I was like wtf12:06
SpeedEvilI guess they were let down by fedex - and instead of deliverying in 1-3 days upgraded to their 'we teleport a van to your driveway' service.12:06
AL13N_workso, they got shipped over the weekend and none was able to send out the tracking numbers and update status, so they are backlogging that now?12:06
merlin1991SpeedEvil: I like that service12:07
chem|st+112:07
chem|stdrone delivery12:07
zuttothat sounds like fun delivery12:07
merlin1991it has a certain imploding the univers touch to it12:07
AL13N_workwould be possible if there was a drone TOH12:07
AL13N_workself-delivered12:07
leinirHogwarts owl delivery service is best delivery service ;)12:07
SpeedEvilAL13N_work: I've contemplated that.12:08
triggerhappywhat i have was the 0 eur pre-order, would that count?12:08
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SpeedEvilAL13N_work: It is somewhat possible in double the mass of the phone12:08
chem|stleinir: what about dota's flying donkey?12:08
DocScrutinizer05FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER "7.975234E+11"  -- not found!  O*M*G!!!!12:08
leinirowls win, they just do ;)12:08
atlazDocScrutinizer05: :P12:08
ln-Nicd-: on the other hand, if /proc/uptime is available on sailfish, wouldn't it be better to read it from there rather than parse a human-readable command output?12:09
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: ?12:09
lildeimosbut here is hunting season. The drone nor owls can pass here! :)12:09
AL13N_workln-: ++12:09
SpeedEvilShipped By Tracking Number12:09
SpeedEvilJollaFedex 7.97393E+1112:09
DocScrutinizer05my shipment notification with tracking number from jolla12:09
chem|sthehe12:09
DocScrutinizer05*SIGH*12:09
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AL13N_workln-: Nicd-: why not put /proc/uptime through some kind of rrdtool graph?12:09
StskeepsSpeedEvil: that's a real output?12:10
SpeedEvilyes12:10
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SpeedEvilI just noticed.12:10
StskeepsSpeedEvil: omg12:10
chem|stStskeeps: at least it keeps up with the "we have issues"12:11
Stskeepsit sure is monday12:11
AL13N_workheh12:11
chem|stStskeeps: things like this usualy happen tuesdays...12:12
AL13N_workpatch tuesday12:13
chem|stmachines stop working tuesday 05:00 or friday 16:00 (could patch that up to a master os thesis12:13
merlin1991chem|st: I found a parcel with the reference number and stuff in the fedex tracking, it only has "Shipment information sent to FedEx" the funny bit though is the webinterface it shows "Dimensions1x1x1 cms"12:13
* SpeedEvil wonders what fraction of people put the battery in before trying to power it on.12:13
merlin1991and "Total shipment weight2.2 lbs / 1 kgs"12:13
merlin1991that's some high density material right there12:13
AL13N_worklol12:13
covoxmerlin1991: they opted for the heavy sand12:13
AL13N_worknot to mention with an exponential tracking number12:13
ortylpAnd there is an email from Jolla about oncoming FedEx shipment, that has already been delivered... FedEx has some time machines on board :D12:14
SpeedEvilOooh - I like the little indicator bar LED12:14
chem|stmerlin1991: Abmessungen9x6x4 Zoll12:14
ortylpSpeedEvil: me12:14
ln-merlin1991: my jolla shipment had volume 0 and weight 0.45 kg, so it really risked creating a black hole that would destroy the planet.12:14
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nadrielSpeedEvil, you mean not everyone opened the box and watched what it contains, put in sim card etc before powering on?12:14
SpeedEvilOn a random topic. Are spare parts available - if for example I drop it and kill the screen? (I'm aware that the screen will be expensive)12:15
Stskeepsortylp: was your e-mail with the bad fedex tracking number too?12:15
AL13N_workSpeedEvil: but the grlass is gorrilla resistent!12:15
chem|stmerlin1991: I guess urs isn't shipped yet or is it?12:16
SpeedEvilAL13N_work: I rarely have devices damaged by any primate other than homonids.12:16
AL13N_worklol12:16
* AL13N_work too... my son12:16
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AL13N_workchem|st: time-theory makes the sentence very difficult12:16
merlin1991chem|st: I'm not at home atm, but judging from the tracking information from fedex, fedex still doesn't have the parcel12:16
ortylpno Idea, I got the email a few minutes ago, that is after Jolla was already dellivered12:17
* stuartmd was surprised to have "received" a FedEx package an hour before the email notifcation (delivered to the other office - boss teased me by letting me know the contents) ;) 12:18
ortylpI see no fedex tracking number in this email12:18
SpeedEvilortylp: do you get a scientific notation tracking number?12:18
stuartmdSpeedEvil: yeah, I just noticed that :D a fun parsing error indeed12:19
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* sledges got jolla shipped! \o/ 12:19
sledgesscientific notation tracking number :(((12:19
ortylpSpeedEvil: yes, you are right... scientific notation... ech...12:20
Stskeepsi've let the right people know, but that bug is hilarious and scary at same time12:20
AL13N_worksledges: huh? you got the email before the delivery? how odd?12:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and do you really think it ends with "000000"?12:20
AL13N_workDocScrutinizer05: that's why it's scary12:20
sledgesAL13N_work: why would i get shipping info email after delivery? :D12:20
DocScrutinizer05Not found12:20
DocScrutinizer05No record of this tracking number can be found. For more information, please contact Customer Service at 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.333912:20
DocScrutinizer05KTNXBYE12:21
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kor:D12:21
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kornumber: 2017785e712:22
kor"k"12:22
sledgesi can calmly tolerate numerous hickups from a --startup-- who is delivering such a product (see how many LoC they contributed to Qt this year)12:22
koractually ends with 007812:22
AL13N_worksledges: apparently that's the norm, this monday12:23
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korit's pretty badass in my opinion12:23
atlazMessing up the tracking numbers that way is just silly. I mean really silly.12:23
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sledgeswhen you are in a hurry, putting %e instead of %d is quite likely, how many times did a developer (myself) done this while approaching a milestone during a night full of caffeine?12:24
MirvStskeeps: re: jolla store, sorry for lack of verbosity, I was having lunch with my jolla. if you need any debug output, just tell.12:24
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sledgesAL13N_work: sorry my sarcasm detector is still off (it's monday ;P)12:24
StskeepsMirv: yeah, sorry - try zypper clean -a12:25
atlazIt's gonna be fun to watch a Jolla-documentary in a couple of years. "Yeah, we didn't really have any resources, or anything like that. We just did everything by hand or some kind of makeshift-solutions. Things were bad. Real bad."12:25
Stskeepsatlaz: RIOT-ON 2.012:25
atlazYeah :P12:25
AL13N_worki didn't get that reference12:25
atlazRiot-on was a finnish mobile games company that took investors money, did some powerpoint-slideshows and partied away all the monies12:26
SpeedEvilAs long as I don't have to make another post on the xkcd forums.12:26
atlazlike millions of euros12:26
AL13N_workah, that12:26
Stskeepshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427783/?ref_=fn_al_tt_112:26
Stskeepsworth a watch12:26
MirvStskeeps: no zypper installed in default configuration it seems, should I install it?12:26
StskeepsMirv: if you can12:27
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Nicd-ln-, AL13N_work: I didn't know about /proc/uptime :)12:29
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stephgwoo I  got an order number12:30
Stskeepsstephg: is it in scientific notation?12:31
MirvStskeeps: zypper clean -a (which prompted to kill PackageKit) did not help, opening Store again and trying install yields the problem installing still.12:31
StskeepsMirv: hrrm12:31
zuttowait, jolla uses zypper?12:31
zuttocool12:31
Nicd-zutto: pkcon12:31
zuttoah12:31
Mirvzutto: actually pkcon, I just installed zypper now too12:32
zuttoah12:32
zuttothat explains it12:32
Nicd-ln-: /proc/uptime doesn't give load averages though12:32
zuttoi would have been very amazed if jolla used zypper, lol12:32
* TheBootroo back from lunch, still no email, no update, no tracking number12:32
TheBootrooHurry up Jolla, dammit12:32
StskeepsTheBootroo: at least you haven't received it in scientific notation12:32
ln-Nicd-: i suspect those are also available somewhere under /proc, somehow.12:33
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TheBootrooStskeeps: i can read scientific notation, hexadecimal, binary and base64, i'm a nerd ya know12:33
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TheBootrooi would rather have a scientific notation tracking number than nothing12:33
TheBootrooat least would mean the package is gone12:33
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TheBootrooand it seems order number can be used on fedex.com to track package so the one with weird numbers, just try12:34
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TheBootrooseems that many people got it today, excepted me, and tachikoma12:34
merlin1991TheBootroo: still nothing here aswell ;)12:34
rcgStskeeps, just in case, i also got it in scientific notation12:35
Stskeepswe're on top of it :)12:35
rcgi thought so :)12:36
rcgas said, just in case ;)12:36
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rcgStskeeps, you know, there are always three cases: best case, worst case, and just in case :)12:36
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tillStskeeps have you been able to track with your tracking cientific number?12:38
Stskeepstill: no, but you can work around it and search by order no supposedly12:38
* stephg_ got his tracking email too woop!12:38
Azogi also got a id in scientific notation, but adding all the zeros points to a package going to texax12:38
restless_beingis there anything special required to be able to access the phone connected to computer (with ubuntu) via usb? it's discovered as "Sailfish" buth when I click on the device it says that there's Unspecifed error.12:38
SpeedEvilrestless_being: It does not support mass storage.12:39
SpeedEvilrestless_being: Does your OS do MTP?12:39
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tillmy order no does not work :/12:39
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Stskeepstill: anyway, give it a bit and the right ones should come12:40
restless_beingSpeedEvil: google says that there are extra packages for ubuntu to install in order to have mtp support12:40
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covoxrestless_being: gnome's MTP support is bloody awful, you might have more luck if you install gmtp12:40
covoxor, if you're on the old LTS, a newer revision of libmtp912:41
SpeedEvilI assume it's not possible to install flash on the jolla browser. (I know, I know)12:42
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covoxSpeedEvil: you assume correct12:42
restless_beingcovox: it's latest 13.1012:43
TheBootroo@JollaHQ, please hurry up, it's not funny anymore ...;12:44
korwut12:46
korthis isn't twitter12:46
covoxrestless_being: if you run "apt-cache show libmtp9", what version is it?12:46
chem|stStskeeps: got a tracking number too... 7.97391E+11^^12:49
restless_beingcovox: Version: 1.1.6-212:50
Stskeeps'unless you pass this intelligence test, you cannot use a beta phone'..?12:50
tillah now tracking does work, and it's already in the country :D12:50
jreznikchem|st: :) 7.97392E+1112:50
FryeHmm, my calendar just crashes when I try to create event.12:51
AJAX555by the way, can I change the password used in jolla shop?12:52
FryeIt complains about not being able to create calendar on startup: Unable to create calendar database directory: "/home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal"12:52
FryeAnd starts up fine, but when I accept the create new event dialog it segfaults12:52
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Morpog_N9nooooo, package arrived at hime, but no one was at home :(12:54
Morpog_N9they try again tomorrow12:55
covoxrestless_being: yeah that's the latest library, give gmtp a shot12:55
FryeAnd I'd really need my calendar.12:55
covoxor nerd up and use ssh :)12:55
restless_beingyeah, i just did it:D12:55
restless_beingi mean used ssh12:55
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restless_beingbut will try gmtp later12:56
TheBootrooMorpog_N9: at least you are having it soon12:56
tachikomaTheBootroo: mh, more and more deliveries arrives, can;t take too long anymore :)12:56
TheBootrootachikoma: excepted that all people with deliveris are <x0000100012:57
FryeStskeeps, got any idea how to clear Calendar metadata completely?12:57
TheBootrooseen no one with > #20002xxx12:57
tachikomaTheBootroo: yeah, but it seems to speed up12:57
Morpog_N91006 here12:58
TheBootrootachikoma: mmmmh, not really, to me seems more like most of picking up from last week are receiving it, but not many NEW shipment seem to happen12:58
TheBootrooMorpog_N9: too low, 2549 here, and tachikoma is over 260012:58
leinir3386 :P12:58
TheBootrooleinir: bad for you12:59
Azogtracking-code from is useless, phone is here, hooray12:59
TheBootrooyou'll maybe get it in July... 201612:59
leinirWell, i'm about a thousand kilometres away from the door to which it'll be delivered anyway and won't be back until the 22nd, so i'm ok ;)13:00
TheBootrooplease everyone update the spreadsheet13:00
FryeAh, think I got it fixed.13:00
TheBootroocause % didn't really go down these days13:00
Fryeremoved db* from the Calendar directory13:00
Fryeand launched it again via invoker13:00
TheBootroohttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=013:01
rauz_me ready to leave for work, fedex truck pulls up outside, waiting with so much joy, package is for my roommate he payed extra only that his package is deliverd by fedex to see my face i f****** hate him13:02
FryeNow that i mean :-)13:03
Fryeis*13:03
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Morpog_N9lol rauz13:03
rauz_more than mean13:03
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TheBootrooi f***** hate the whole universe by now and i will calm down only when a certain piece of technology will be in my hand13:03
TheBootroonot before13:04
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covoxTheBootroo: get a grip man13:04
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rauz_but nothing i can do but  patiently wait13:04
StskeepsTheBootroo: calm down a bit, this is your first warning - this isn't #jollamobile-rant :)13:04
Stskeepsbut you're free to start it13:04
TheBootrooStskeeps: i won't calm down, and it's not against you, i'm jsut starting to turn really mad, nothing anormal to that13:05
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ggabrielTheBootroo: i think stskeeps is being nice, /kickban may happen ;-)13:05
Stskeepsokay, but keep it out of here. it's obviously bothering others too.13:06
AJAX555TheBootroo: in that case, you need to eat something13:06
AJAX555just like I need to..13:06
TheBootrooAJAX555: already lunched13:06
tachikomaTheBootroo: you need some distraction urgent ;)13:06
AJAX555yeah I bought a 100e distraction13:07
AJAX555however it only distracted for ~1hour13:07
tachikomai got me a ssd for my laptop13:07
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tachikomathat is still keeping me busy, i have enough space now for sailfisos sdk ;)13:07
Frye=)13:07
yanoolol, just received tracking number :D13:08
ggabrielyanoo: woohoo :D13:08
TheBootrootachikoma: i indeed need a distraction, about 4.5 inches large, with a black&white outfit, and some kind of glass on top of it13:08
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TheBootrootachikoma: sdk installed since months, already bored of it, nothing to see, not a single app, and not even ambience in it13:08
covoxTheBootroo: why not visit the zoo, plenty of baby penguins13:09
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TheBootroocovox: i don't have money to spend anymore13:09
tachikomaTheBootroo: http://www.amazon.com/G-W-Schleidt-STC10-BW-4-Inch-5-Minute/dp/B004VN64ES ;)13:10
TheBootrootachikoma: how many times will i have to shake it up-down before i get my precious ?13:10
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AJAX555many13:11
FryeAt least it would keep you busy counting?13:11
tachikomaTheBootroo: i installed the sdk not to watch the emulator, I'm learning qml currently, that is enough distraction for me atm13:11
Milo-tachikoma I wrote a hour glass application for n900 back in the olden days.13:11
tachikomaMilo-: :)13:11
FryeI have been playing around with the same game tutorial13:11
Milo-maybe I should port it to Jolla and give out for free :P13:11
FryeSome more tweaking to do and a settings page and it might be ready for others to play too :-)13:11
Milo-Frye oh yeah, it might have been a tutorial kind of thing.13:12
Milo-original tutorial didn't use accelerometer though?13:12
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* SpeedEvil passes TheBootroo a small glass of beer.13:15
SpeedEvilGuinness even13:16
Milo-so not even beer.13:16
TheBootrooSpeedEvil: nice try, but i don't like beer \o/13:16
TheBootrooi like Whiskey or Vodka13:16
SpeedEvil 4.5 inches, glass on top, black and white13:16
SpeedEvilOn an unrelated and actually on topic matter.13:16
TheBootrooSpeedEvil: does it run Sailfish ?13:16
SpeedEvilAnyone else seeing failure to login - 'no connection' on yandex store?13:17
SpeedEvilerr-'server unavailable'13:17
covoxSpeedEvil: have you updated the OS yet?13:19
SpeedEvilNo,that's in progress.13:19
* SpeedEvil wonders about get_iplayer13:21
AcceSpeedEvil: I had that too, but it started working by setting the locale to English13:22
chouchounegot my Jolla, thanks sailors !!! \o/13:23
Stskeepschouchoune: good, let us know of first impressions13:23
SpeedEvilI think I already did that.13:23
chouchounegood for the moment13:23
AcceAre you already connecting through wlan?13:23
chouchounemissing carddav/caldav, I guess I will have to try to implement that ;)13:23
SpeedEvilAcce: yes13:23
Acceokay, then you have already done what I had to do to get it to work13:24
SpeedEvilAcce: I don't have a SIM in it at theoment, and my dataplanismurderously expensive.13:24
chouchouneand strange to receive the tracking number via email ... 10 minutes after receiving the package ;)13:24
* TheBootroo checking shop.jolla.com, inbox, junk, tmo, and spreadsheet hundreds of times a day, getting really mad about the serious lack of information and copy-pasted PR in mails13:24
tachikomaso cool13:24
SpeedEvilMinor annoyance - no UK plug.13:24
tachikomaTheBootroo: looks like all that checking is pointless if the ophones arrive without any notification before that13:24
TheBootroochouchoune: what's your order number ?13:24
faenilTheBootroo, it can't be long time left, just try to calm down, it's very, very close now :)13:25
chouchoune8xx13:25
TheBootroochouchoune: only ~800 ? still so far away from me....13:25
chouchouneOrder # 20000085313:25
TheBootroowhy the fuck didn't we see any 2000+ with update/delivery ???13:25
TheBootroomany <1000, a few 1000+, but after that, nothing13:26
SpeedEvilStskeeps: Random complications - it'd be nice to be able to add a 32G microSD to the order page. But that obviously complicates things.13:26
chouchounedon't worry it seams to be quick to arrive once sent13:26
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chouchouneI actually didn't even know that it was sent when Fedex called me to deliver ;)13:26
TheBootrootried the fedex 'search by reference' trick, but obviously didn't work for me as my package doesn't even exist13:26
chouchouneI received the package before receiving the email with tracking number from Jolla13:27
TheBootroochouchoune: the "once sent" is the missing bit here13:27
TheBootroochouchoune: yeah but in this case the tracking by order number on fedex website should return something13:27
TheBootrooeven without jolla useless mail (cause too late and badly encoded afaik)13:28
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tachikomaTheBootroo: my guess is that is because they started sending out with 0 and then just went up13:28
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TheBootroo"oh yeah, your phone was shipped and you already recevied it, here, take this unreadable tracking id as a bonus "13:28
chouchouneTheBootroo: doesn't work in my case13:29
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tachikomaTheBootroo: come on, it's their first phone13:29
artemmadoh, order numbers below 2800 were deleted in the crowdsourced spreadsheet13:29
tachikomaI would n't want to know how I'd fuck up something like that doing it the first time13:29
TheBootrooartemma: one more fucker ?? it already happened once13:30
artemmaTheBootroo apparently yes unless I am missing something13:30
TheBootrooartemma: still good here13:30
TheBootrootrying refesh13:30
chouchouneTheBootroo: hey, they promised delivery in 2013, it's happening : what else do you expect ?13:30
artemmaI can see only first 250 lines.. maybe Google Docs just don't show me more for some reason..13:31
TheBootroochouchoune: happening for some of us, yes13:31
artemmaah! paging there13:31
TheBootrooartemma: ok13:31
chouchouneTheBootroo: there is still some time before end of 201313:31
TheBootroochouchoune: not for me, i leave and travel on 21th, and will be back on 8th Jan 201413:31
tachikomaI actually am quite surprised that the spreadsheet does not get vandalized by some troll13:31
chouchounejust wait 2 weeks to complain if they don't match their promise13:31
TheBootrooso if i don't get it before i leave i WON'T have it in 201313:32
artemmaHighest inPocking order is 2383 so far13:32
Stskeepstachikoma: my worst fear is that somebody suddenly starts all of them lumias..13:32
Stskeeps+shiping13:32
covoxawesome, peace and quiet in 5 days13:32
tachikomalol13:32
TheBootroohum, i ordered on 27nov, so enough time to receive it before i leave, normally13:32
TheBootrooat least that's why i paid13:32
TheBootroocovox: don't dream too much, i have internet on mobile13:33
tachikomarotfl13:33
MMoriTheBootroo: It's good you keep their feet on the ground.13:33
tachikomaTheBootroo: so, we will see your reaction when the phone arrives on 22nd? ;)13:33
Milo-I'd totally run /ignore, if I didn't enjoy the drama :P13:33
chouchouneTheBootroo: you still have one week, and Jolla is not responsible for your vacations13:34
TheBootrootachikoma: well if it arrive at home when i am in travel, i'll just fuck everything up and whine as much as humanly possible for that screwed up christmas13:34
MMori(I sense a fight incoming)13:34
TheBootroochouchoune: i won't even answer that13:35
TheBootrooMilo-: you mean13:35
TheBootrooi pratically get a mini heart-attack each time i got a new email notification13:35
TheBootrooand a big amout of hope at start which goes each time lower13:36
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TheBootrooi strongly beleive in Jolla/sailfish technology, but obviously their communication and logistic is poop13:37
RaYmAnyou might want to revisit your priorities if a phone not being shipped can ruin your christmas.13:37
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ShadowJKIt makes sense. Spare time to learn new phone etc :P13:37
TheBootrooRaYmAn: well, when you order only one thing for christmas, and waiting if for monthes, yes it can totally ruin your mood/pleasure on holidays13:37
* SpeedEvil ponders squaretrade warraanty.13:38
tachikomahey, it's also my only present for christmas ;)13:38
* SpeedEvil wishes there was a parts store. (or at least screens)13:38
TheBootrootachikoma: hehe, but it seems some people here have a lot more money so they don't really care about one more / one less gift13:39
TheBootroothat's not my case13:39
jussiI have no money. :P13:39
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TheBootrooi work hard each day to earn money, put a little each month aside since May to buy my own gifts as nobody has enough money to offer it to me, so at least i can have it in time13:39
chouchouneStskeeps: how to set up Yandex.Store when you country number is higher than +9 ? ;)13:40
jussiTheBootroo: theres a big difference to spending your own money and suggesting how someone else spends theirs...13:40
MFaro-TusinoNobody uses 1Mobile Market on their Jolla?13:40
jussiso take suggestions from people with a grain of salt13:40
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tachikomaTheBootroo: well, i save money primarily to buy presents for my kids13:40
TheBootrootachikoma: i don't have kids atm13:40
AcceMFaro-Tusino: I installed it today, seems ok13:41
MFaro-TusinoAcce: Everything works?13:41
AcceAs far as I tested.. at least it recognized which android apps I had installed already. Don't know about commercial apps though, haven't tried buying anything13:42
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tachikomaTheBootroo: i'm just saying, not much money left here as well13:46
Azogis there a way to export messages from n900/maemo to the jolla phone?13:46
Yanielvcf13:46
ShadowJKmessages?13:47
Milo-Azog http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-83166.html and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=139408113:47
Yanieloh, messages13:47
Azogthanks, Milo-13:47
Azogvcf is for contacts13:48
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Milo-Azog I haven't done that yet, but that should work with a little bit of effort. afaik jolla's separator is ";" rather than ",".13:49
chouchounedoes anyone know how to change the color chosen a the beginning13:51
chouchoune?13:51
Milo-chouchoune gallery -> ambience13:52
ShadowJKWhen I tested a jolla 10 minutes, I always ended accidentally up at ambiences for some reason13:53
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Milo-ShadowJK by swiping left/right at the "main" screen?13:53
ShadowJKI guess13:54
ShadowJKIt wasnt entirely clear to me what main screen would be :)13:54
YanielI did not have that problem13:54
covoxyeah... I think you can flag ambiences as favourites, then they get added to the swipe left screen13:54
Yanielsince I unfavourited all ambiences almost immediately13:54
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petantikha! that was a quick delivery. got an email at 1230 that phone has shipped, and it arrives at 134513:55
Milo-ambiences is a nice way to silence your phone, but not quite as simple as pressing volume down button few times in the pocket (like in n9) or holding # down for few seconds (like in classic nokia phones)13:55
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sledgesAL13N_work: you were right, fedex tried to deliver it to my empty house this morning \o/13:57
Morpog_N9sledges, same fate for me13:58
ShadowJKpetantik; teleportation13:58
sledgeswill leave work early to get to delivery point instead13:58
Azogit seems this smsExport is only for n9, not for n90013:58
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petantikShadowJK: I was trying to track it when the doorbell rang.13:59
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* ShadowJK is reminded he still hasn't ground down his sim to microsim size14:00
TheBootroopetantik, sledges, Azog, Morpog_N9, chouchoune, SpeedEvil, yanoo : y'all lucky bastards14:00
TheBootroo:-(14:00
sledgesand we are growing in numbers :)14:01
Azogi hope so14:01
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sledges(zombie apocalypse approaching)14:01
ShadowJKTheBootroo; if you go rob fedex, surely you'll find many jollas14:01
sledges(when everyone will want to install nemo on their n9s :D because of receiving jolla)14:01
TheBootrooShadowJK: nice idea, but i don't want many, i just want mine, the one i paid for14:01
cvpi arrive today my phone, but have some problems... i want to use my own xmpp server with different ports, how i can change the port from standard to my ?14:02
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Accecvp: try the address:port notation?14:02
* ShadowJK imagines TheBootroo screaming at the police hostage negotiator: "Yes I have 50 Jollas here and 20 hostages, but I want MY Jolla, NOW"14:03
cvpmoment i will do14:03
yanoois there an easy way to make a screenshot?14:03
TheBootrooShadowJK: oh fuck yea14:03
TheBootroo:-D14:03
Milo-yanoo download app called 'screenshot' from jolla store (it's a native app)14:04
Pnuuyanoo: there's two apps in..14:04
Pnuudamn, I'm always slow14:04
yanoo:)14:05
yanoothanks14:05
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Accehow is that ambient changing with swipe supposed to work?14:06
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cvpAcce no i dont have it right now, because i dont know how i can import one vcard with over 100 caontacs in14:08
Yanieleasily14:08
Accevcard = .vcf?14:08
Accejust email it to yourself or something and open it14:09
AL13N_worki assume so14:09
cvpyes14:09
Yanieldump the file on the device and xdg-open it14:09
Yanielif it does not work (like when the file was exported from the osx address book) try the vcardconverter tool (needs devel-su)14:09
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AcceHas someone used XMPP on the device? Is the messaging integrated to the SMS application?14:12
cvpAcce ... ok perfect , i have send by bluetooth....14:12
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w00tAcce: it is14:15
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cvpAcce hope you can give some tipps... i try two pop3 emails, but he cant connet to server, i think its a problem with the ports, the think ist, my email companys dont need any security14:15
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Accew00t: Where can I connect people to their XMPP accounts? I can't find any field for that in People..14:16
w00tAcce: I don't understand your question14:16
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leinirguessing you're looking for merging or linking of contacts...14:16
AcceI mean that, since I have contacts who use XMPP, how am I supposed to tell the phone that "this person has an account, give me an option to send via XMPP"14:17
cvpoh my company has ssl ... ok working :D14:18
w00tAcce: when you add the account, they'll appear in people14:18
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restless_beinganyone experiencing problem with android apps? I installed play store (using the instructions http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-google-play-store-and-google-play-services-on-the-jolla-smartphone/) and whatsapp but each of them closes immediately after is started14:18
restless_beinganother on - is it possible to somehow uninstall or reinstall apk's ?14:19
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TurskiAcce: when you select people and select send messages, it asks what type of message you want to send14:20
TheBootroofap fap fap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMAPJVLtSHc&feature=youtu.be14:20
Accehmm.. ok, let's see14:20
KiranosTheBootroo: is it yours?14:22
Turskiit's a bit weird that ar least in finnish it has been translated as "send text message" and not just "send message", i don't know how it is in english UI14:22
TheBootrooKiranos: sadly not14:22
Kiranosok thought you got yours :(14:22
TheBootrooKiranos: /me just watching Jolla pr0n undressing huh... unboxing on Youtube while waiting the status update14:22
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Turskii would like to see Jolla disassembly video, don't want to dissassembly mine :P14:25
StskeepsTurski: heh, i just realized i don't know how it looks inside14:25
Turskibut those screws are tempting me every time i remove the other half14:25
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Milo-Stskeeps is it by design that "settings -> apps -> people" has near infinite list of elements, that just say "From file" after importing contacts from a network service?14:26
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StskeepsMilo-: errm, i wouldn't know how to answer that14:27
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Stskeepsscreenshot?14:27
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AcceShould I somehow explicitly sign in to the XMPP account or is it automatic after I save the password?14:29
Pnuu_Acce: check the notification pulley menu14:29
Acceafter inputting the password and swiping left, I see page saying "not signed in" and button "sign in now", but completing the swipe that page immediately disappears14:29
TurskiAcce: go to notifications screen and select show status14:30
PlntAcce: you can sign-in in the notifications app by opening the pully menu "Show presence details"14:30
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AcceOh..14:30
yanooAcce: I have the same problem14:30
Milo-Stskeeps http://u.meelo.org/people.png and the list goes on forever.14:30
Milo-hard to show the scrollbar.14:30
AcceWell, this should be clarified somehow14:30
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Acceor was it written in the manual how to do this?14:31
PlntAcce: i just played with the phone for some time to find out :)14:31
yanooin the status control I don't see my xmpp account :| only fb and google14:31
StskeepsMilo-: thaaat looks like a bug14:32
StskeepsMilo-: 'network service'?14:32
Milo-could be related on that mistake of allowing my device to import contacts from facebook. I've clicked few of those "From file" options and they link to people on facebook.14:32
Milo-I don't actually know them all, but they are probably friends of my friends. or something stupid like that.14:32
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Milo-I don't have infinite number of contacts on my facebook page. I can ensure you that much :P14:33
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Plnthow long does your battery in jolla last? if i have some light browser use and few quick phone calls/sms i can barely make a day. is that normal? i guess some power saving updates will be delivered during the next few weeks, just checking if the numbers i have are similar to other people :)14:35
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Acceyanoo: me too, XMPP doesn't show up14:35
till§$%&§$% fedex....14:36
YanielPlnt: ~24h at best it would seem14:36
PlntYaniel: thanks14:36
tigeliStskeeps: I have 4 "From file"'s on my device..14:36
Yanielhaving wlan or cellular data switched on eats away a lot of battery time14:36
Yanieland positioning even more14:36
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PlntYaniel: yep, i'm disabling wlan when i'm not @home. as for the positioning i should try that, too.14:38
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* TheBootroo called fedex france to try having information about a parcel at this name, they have nothing yet14:41
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AcceCould the unability to connect to my XMPP service because I have self-written ssl certificate?14:42
tigeliAcce: yes14:42
Accetigely: So how should I deal with it? can I tell Jolla to accept the certificate anyways?14:43
Accethat's what I do with other clients14:43
PlntAcce: yes, most likely. i hit the same issue with self-signed cert14:43
PlntAcce: there were hits in my jabber server logs but jolla won't connect and no error message14:43
merlin1991Acce: you can probably use a start.com cert on your server14:44
PlntAcce: if i tried the XMPP jolla against google XMPP servers with my gmail account it worked14:44
Accemerlin1991: they give certs for free?14:44
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merlin1991only that start.com isn't the right url, but yes there is a certificate authority that gives 1 cert for free14:45
PlntAcce: you can get one free cert from http://www.startssl.com/14:45
merlin1991I'm using it on my jabber server14:45
AccePlnt: I see.. One thing about the current phone is that it gives almost no information when something fails..14:45
Plntthat's what merlin1991 probably wanted to write :)14:45
AcceThanks for the tip guys!14:45
Plntnp14:46
merlin1991Plnt: yep :D14:46
TheBootroohttp://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/first-ever-functional-custom-other-half-shown-to-public/14:46
AcceI think the phone should give more error messages when the developer mode is switched on14:46
PlntAcce: maybe what would be a good idea is to have some kind of app for accessing system log which will be available in developer mode14:47
Yaniela ui for journalctl14:48
Acceah, I should have checked journal, I totally forgot I can do that on the device :)14:48
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AL13N_workTheBootroo: Jonni told us last night14:51
TheBootrooAL13N_work: well14:52
stephgTheBootroo have you had your email yet?14:52
TheBootroostephg: nope14:52
TheBootroono email, no call, no update; no tracking num, not much hope anymore14:52
stephgI got mine maybe 3 hours ago and my Jolla was here in the office this afternoon:- I'm in .uk14:52
stephgit may be very near you already jus't just haven't had the communication14:53
TheBootroostephg: nope, i just called Fedex, they have no package at my name/country in their system14:53
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AL13N_workTheBootroo: you had a big num, right,14:57
AL13N_work?14:57
Acce"AccountSyncAdapter.qml: Account 6 from jabber isn't syncable" is what I get when trying to save my XMPP account14:57
Accenothing about the certificate.. but I guess it's the problem anyways14:57
TheBootrooAL13N_work: hell yes, #20000254914:57
AL13N_workwell, should be near14:57
AL13N_workiinm someone 22XX had already been delivered14:57
AL13N_workperhaps wednesday14:58
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tillmine xxx410 might have been delivered... if they would have chosen another courier....14:58
AcceYaniel: an UI would be great, the terminal is not very great with virtual keyboard14:59
petantikwhere is the password set to allow login over ssh?14:59
Accepetantik: same place you switch developer mode on and off14:59
TheBootrooAL13N_work: that was a 1000022xx, that's not the same things afaik14:59
AL13N_workit was?15:00
AL13N_worki donno if it's another thing, if that 1 was also preorder 0EUR or outside of finland15:00
AL13N_workit might not matter15:00
TheBootrooAL13N_work: well, it SHOULDN'T matter, but it seems to matter15:01
SpeedEvilI'm probably being silly. I'm ssh'd into the phone, and want to remove the password and add a keyfile. Normally easy - create authorized_keys (however it's spelled) and jam id_rsa.pub in there with the right permissions.15:03
SpeedEvilSo I can ssh into the phone with no password.15:03
SpeedEvilThere is no ~nemo/.ssh15:04
tabasko_SpeedEvil: I think you can create it? :)15:04
tevemkdir -m 700 ~nemo/.ssh ;-)15:04
SpeedEvilWell -yes.15:04
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tabasko_and then add authorized_keys containing your pub key15:04
SpeedEvilOh- wait.15:04
tabasko_like remote linux hosts usually15:04
SpeedEvilyeah - I had a silly misconception about how ssh ligging inworks - and of course that's not where the plaintext passwords are stored.15:04
SpeedEvilMOAR COFFEE15:05
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valdur55What?15:11
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valdur55netsplit?15:11
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stephgthink so15:13
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TheBootroohours are sooooo long when you are waiting for something really hard15:18
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TheBootroo:-(((15:18
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KiranosTheBootroo: thats what she said :P15:21
TheBootrooKiranos: \o/15:21
TheBootroonice one, dude15:21
TheBootroo(that's also what she said ;-) ))15:21
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MilhouseIs it possible to create a tweet from the event view without replying to someone in your timeline?15:24
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ccha4oh 4G for next jolla update ?15:24
MilhouseAnd the Notes app hangs if you open the context menu then dismiss it... :)15:24
Pnuuccha4: Q1/2014 I believe15:25
ccha4I can use on the 1st functionnal TOH link15:25
Pnuuthere might be another bugfix update before that15:25
ccha4oh I see the pictures and didn't read it :)15:26
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StskeepsMilhouse: did you upgrade yet?15:28
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anonfriese_Milhouse: right on the events view there is a input field (just above the icon for the twitter feed), from there you can post stuff and even select, to which services15:31
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TheBootroohuge slowdown on spreadsheet percentage... only ~1% in one day15:32
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Morpog_PCTheBootroo, or no one cares that got his device :)15:35
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TheBootrooMorpog_PC: so.... selfish ?15:35
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Morpog_PCI never entered the list at all :D15:35
Pnuuwhat list?15:35
Morpog_PCAnd I need to wait for another delivery try15:35
TheBootrooPnuu: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=115:35
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Azogmerlin1991: is stumbled across your smsImport. which format does the csv file have to use?15:36
Milhouse@stskeeps: yes, got the update15:37
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JvD_Stskeeps: Was there some solution found on store signin problems?15:37
Milhouse@anonfriese: ah, I thought that was for my status15:37
merlin1991Azog: see the readme in https://github.com/merlin1991/Harmattan-SMS-Boat15:37
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JvD_I guess I have same problem than rantom and was it Turski15:38
Azogmerlin1991: thanks, is there an example file? one could see the time format from this15:39
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MilhouseHad a right mare syncing contacts from the N9 - tried the sync app (on the N9), didn't work at all. Sending a combined vcf file wouldn't work (166 contacts), had to chop it up into smaller files (a-z) and import each file, got there in the end but needs to be made much easier/simpler. And DON'T auto import crap contacts from the SIM and then not offer a way to filter/group/mass delete them15:39
Milhouse(had to use another phone).15:39
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Milhouse@JvD: With Yandex? The app was telling me there was a server problem, I closed the app, re-entered and it was fine.15:40
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rauzwuhu tracking number15:41
chem|stso guys how do I connect to enterprise wifi?15:41
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JvD_with jolla store15:41
rauzest. delivery 18/12/2013 :D15:41
Milhouse@JvD: Haven't had a problem with the Jolla Store (yet)15:41
Bysmyyrchem|st: you cannot15:41
* stephg excited15:41
chem|stfantastic...15:41
merlin1991Azog: ah good question, I'll add some info and a sample to the readme, the format is ISO 8601 extended format: either YYYY-MM-DD for dates or YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS, YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SSTZD (e.g., 1997-07-16T19:20:30+01:00) for combined dates and times.15:42
Azogthanks15:42
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MilhouseWish I could remove the "Go to Twitter" link from the pulley - keep hitting that by mistake when trying to update...15:43
AzogOn n900 I used http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 to export my messages, now I need to convert the csv file15:43
TurskiJvD_: my problem was server side bug15:43
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stephghm battery does seem to run hot when it's charging15:43
JvD_ok.. and i guess that's already then fixed15:44
stephgwell a bunch warmer than my N915:44
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TurskiJvD_: at least it's now adressed and at least doesn't affect me anymore... i'm not 100% sure if it's fixed15:45
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TurskiJvD_: so you have everything failing what you are trying to install from store?15:46
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StskeepsTurski: we have some problems with store and guys are working hard to fix it15:46
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JvD_yes. authentication is failing15:47
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JvD_Stskeeps: great15:47
TurskiJvD_: yep, same thing15:47
TheBootrooi'm gonna take the risk of being insisting, but what about fixing the bug that makes website outdated and my order not sent yet ?15:48
stephgis userauth for the store the same as accounts.jolla.com?15:48
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TheBootroowould be appreciated15:48
stephgif so it's not failing all the time15:48
stephggot in on 3rd attempt15:48
Stskeepsstephg: with device, or on store15:48
Stskeepser, on accounts.jolla.com15:48
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stephgwith device15:48
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Stskeepsokay15:48
stephgbut it's the same auth as on acccounts.jolla?15:48
TheBootroonsuffys: hey, saw you got your precious ! congrats15:49
stephg(that's really what I was asking)15:49
TheBootroonsuffys: you gonna post more articles about it soon ?15:49
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TheBootroonsuffys_: ^15:50
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nsuffys_TheBootroo, hey, ASAP i post my review about the Jolla & SAilfish OS :)15:51
petantiki'm trying to sync with our company exchange server, but i get failed credential check, is there a more verbose log available?15:52
nsuffys_perhaps today :)15:52
TheBootroonsuffys: great, still waiting any move on my side15:52
anonfriese_Humm, interesting... is it normal that i didn't get an e-mail when my order status changed to "in picking"?15:52
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fluxanonfriese_, as far as I know, that is normal15:55
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rauzanonfriese_: yes i think you only should get a mail when its shipping15:55
fluxI only got an email when it had been shipped, and it came with the tracking number15:55
anonfriese_ah, alright15:55
merlin1991Azog: I've updated the readme, it now contains a sample15:55
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rauzwith your tracking number but when it is in picking you have a great chance that you can check on the fedex website with you orderNr the tracking code before you get the mail15:55
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Azogmerlin1991: thanks. what happens to ";" inside of sms texts? will they be included?15:57
merlin1991yes15:57
merlin1991that's the reason the text is the last bit :)15:57
Azogthat's what I thought15:59
anonfriese_humm, fedex says estimated delivery is tomorrow, and the package isn't shipped yet, quite optimistic ;)15:59
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Stskeepsanonfriese_: overnight shipping is entirely possible15:59
TheBootrooQ_ASSERT (this->order ()->isShipping ());15:59
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TheBootrooASSERT ERROR : failed assertion15:59
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nander_how's shipping/packaging going today?15:59
anonfriese_let's just hope :) any experiences for shipping time (especially to germany)?15:59
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nander_I don't see a lot of progress on the google docs sheet16:00
TheBootroonander_: really too slow : spreadsheet lost only ~1% this day16:00
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nander_The highest number is still the same16:00
TheBootrooeven 1% since thursday night to be exact16:00
TheBootroonander_: yeah16:00
nander_On thursday it used a percentage algorithm that was wrong16:00
Plntanonfriese_: the shipping is probably quite fast. mine was shipped on thursday and delivered friday morning (finland -> czech republic)16:00
ccha4when jolla is at idle, does wlan stopped ? there is no email update anymore16:00
nander_It gave 1% too low16:00
pp_people with phones are too busy playing with theirs to update it?-)16:00
nander_No16:01
anonfriese_nice16:01
nander_Because in picking and shipped are first16:01
nander_So that's not the case16:01
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nander_The amount stuck at 'paid' is still the same16:01
nander_It seems in picking is done in bursts?16:01
nander_The number of jolla's received HAS increased a LOT16:02
pp_wlan occasionally drops, but should recover pretty well, could effect email checking I suppose unless you manually intervene?16:02
anonfriese_so it's hopefully coming this week, and after a good 1-and-a-half years my waiting will finally have paid off ;)16:02
pp_(I notice it by sshing in)16:02
nander_And the number of jolla's shipped has also increased16:02
TheBootroonander_: dunno, many in picking seems to have been Received, but not may new in picking  notified16:02
nander_25% of jolla's are shipped or received16:02
nander_And thus beyond jolla ;)16:02
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nander_That number has increased from 5 to 25% this weekend16:02
TheBootroonander_: the only number that interests me atm is 'highest in picking number"16:03
TheBootrootoo low atm imho16:03
nander_Picking is an arbitrary state16:03
nander_They might do it once a week16:03
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TheBootrooi know for sure that as soon package is in Fedex hands, it comes to customer REALLY fast16:04
nanderDo picking once, build a large queue and ship that queue16:04
TheBootroothe issue is in Jolla not passing them fat enough to Fedex16:04
nanderThat takes time16:04
nanderLabeling, packing, etc.16:04
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nanderin picking might just mean: you're now on the current batch, we're working on yours now16:04
nander(stickers printed)16:04
MilhouseMine arrived before it went into Shipping state (was still showing as "In Picking" when it was sat in front of me!)16:04
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TheBootroonander: srsly ? not half a million devices, maybe 5k at max, not a matter of months16:05
MilhouseNow it's in shipping state, but the tracking doesn't work...16:05
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nanderTheBootroo, this is a very different process compared to companies like samsung16:05
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nanderSamsung packs in china16:05
nanderAnd: limited employees16:05
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TheBootrooi still think some people may  need a shot of concentrated  cafeine+taurine+vitamine16:06
TheBootrooto speed up a little bit more16:06
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nanderThey're working their asses off16:07
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TheBootroonander: if it's really the case, i don't get why it doesn't go faster, even if only 40 person are working on it16:07
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TheBootrooor even 3016:07
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nanderIt is going quite fast16:08
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nanderLast weekend 20% of jolla's were shipped16:08
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nander54% of all jolla's is beyond paid16:08
TheBootrooeg it would be ~10 device / day / employee if 30 employees handle 5000 device in 2 weeks16:08
nanderIt's more than 500016:09
nanderMore like 2500016:09
nanderDNA devices16:09
Pnuuand if 30 are working on the shipments16:09
TheBootroonander: it should be around 90% shipped and awaiting delivery , and remaining 10% being bordercase issues with payment/shipment etc16:09
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nanderWhy should it be that?16:10
TheBootroonander: i don't beleive it's more than 5000, cause max order id we've seen is around 490016:10
nanderThey have till 31 dec16:10
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nander899916:11
nanderaround 4900 ?16:11
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TheBootroonander: no they don't, they have to ship fast, so that even if there are issue with vacation/strike/holiday rush/christmas days off, we still all get our phone in dec 201316:11
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TheBootroonander: where did you get this 8999 ?16:11
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nanderdocs16:11
nanderscroll down ;)16:11
nander87xx is multiple16:12
TheBootroonander: oh, you're talking about order_id from url, not me16:12
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nanderThe other number series has doubles16:12
nander10000410016:12
nander20000410016:12
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TheBootroothen it's even more scary for me, my order num is 200002549, but order_id  is around 44xx16:13
TheBootroo:-(16:13
nanderThese id's are the shop id's, not the actual sorting id's16:13
TheBootrooand someone with 5xxx is already picked up16:13
nanderFinland?16:13
TheBootrooyeah16:13
TheBootroonot me16:14
nanderfinland went first16:14
nanderJust about entirely16:14
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yanoomeh, no reply to all for email client :( a lot of to do in sailfish :)16:20
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TheBootroodafuq is happening ? so much people timeout on IRC at same time16:24
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StskeepsTheBootroo: probably freenode hicking up again16:24
nanderNetsplit16:24
Stskeepsor somebody DDoSing it16:24
nander17:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: lpotter, FireFly, covox, kontio, restless_being, Kilroo, FiSHBoY, jussi, th, pigletto,  (+50 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)16:24
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cvpbäh.... .. no select all emails16:25
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AJAX555split!16:26
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MilhouseNo push email is also quite disappointing - polling every 5 minutes is so 2000's.16:26
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leinirMilhouse: so, i'm guessing you're hard at work fixing that? ;)16:27
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MilhouseNope, I just paid 399 euro for the privilege to complain16:27
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* artemma thinks there is no push email anymore for GMail. At least not via ActiveSync16:28
MilhouseIf the product was free, your point would have some validity16:28
Milhouseas it's the usual trope that is trotted out when people complain about "free" products16:29
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Milhouse@artemma: doesn't IMAP support "push" (IMAP IDLE) natively?16:29
TheBootroo@Jolla, my phone please, one more day spent, only 2 left to get it before traveling ! Hurry up, please16:29
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artemmaMilhouse: don't know about IMAP and Push, was using only exchange think in the past16:30
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MilhousePretty sure IMAP supports a form of push notification, unless Google have broken it intentionally16:30
MilhouseThe N9 still gets GMail notifications immediately without polling, so can't see why the Jolla can't match that16:31
MilhouseUnless the N9 is going through a Nokia server, but I doubt that16:32
artemmaTheBootroo: About 23% of preordered devices are already received or shipped. If you order is in the beginning of a list, you might have chances - https://twitter.com/AgileArtem/status/41258064008605696016:32
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artemmaMilhouse: Google told that exchange push will be broken for new accounts (or for new authorizations or something like this). So that your old devices would work, but new Windows Phone users would be annoyed16:33
MilhouseIt's an old account I'm using, and it's not exchange I'm using - just regular Gmail16:34
VDVsx_Milhouse, IMAP IDLE is not enabled atm in jolla device16:34
MilhouseSame account on both the N9 and Jolla16:35
VDVsx_n9 also does not use any specially service for gmail IMAP, but IMAP IDLE is enabled there16:35
VDVsx_special*16:35
VDVsx_yanoo, reply all is there, if email has more than one recipient ofc16:36
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MilhouseN9 does Push, Jolla doesn't even offer it as an option16:36
MilhouseYes, is it planned?16:36
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TheBootrooartemma: 23% is REALLY few if you are in the last 75%16:36
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artemmaTheBootroo: it is what it is16:36
artemmaand of course crowd updates stats with the lag16:36
TheBootrooartemma: and thx for pointing me to the community spreadsheet, while i was thinking i missed some public tweet from someone @jolla16:36
PnuuI wouldn't count on that spreadsheet which relies on people updating it by them selves16:36
artemmaTheBootroo: u r welcome16:36
TheBootrooPnuu: me neither, but the f**** issue is that IS IT THE ONLY THING WE HAVE16:36
VDVsx_Milhouse, Jolla uses same MW as n9 for email and it supports push, but for now was decided to not enable it, so yes is planned16:37
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TheBootrooi don't understand why jolla can't tkae 30sec to post a rassuring : "Sailors, 4000 out of 10000 orders processed already, planning to finish by XXth dec"16:37
TheBootrooeven if they roughly approximate the value, it will be much closer to reality than any crowdsourced spreadsheet16:38
GeneralAntillesThe press is the problem.16:39
pp_they want to keep number of shipped devices obscure on purpose?16:39
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TheBootroopp_: seems so16:39
covoxneat - http://i.imgur.com/kd05MLd.jpg16:40
TheBootrooGeneralAntilles: if press is the issue, just PM all of us, like for the generic excuse mail16:40
GeneralAntillesWhich does not exclude the press from getting that info.16:40
TheBootroowell, then; fuck the press16:40
GeneralAntillesImage management is important (and difficult) for startups.16:41
MilhouseJust wondering, are contacts being synced to the Jolla cloud? Or doesn't this exist yet?16:41
GeneralAntillesBut, hey, at least you have one coming.16:41
MilhouseEvening General16:41
covoxif you squint you can make out the web browser icon, sitting in the bit of memory that's been vomited over the surface16:41
GeneralAntillesNo idea when (if?) I'll have that option.16:41
GeneralAntillesHey-oh, Milhouse, long time no see. :)16:42
MilhouseBeen a while! :)16:42
TheBootrooGeneralAntilles: oh well, so better give opaque image to press and bad image to customer, okay16:42
TheBootroobullshit16:42
pp_I once had to devise a scheme to obscure the fact that a service only had ~= 15 paying users :-) (when "image" should be hundreds)16:43
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TheBootroopp_: well, which image does Jolla want to spread "Oh oh oh , we are huge, we already sold tens of thousands of devices, but, errrr, we can't handle logistic properly " ??16:44
pp_... 3 random digits after real order number + checksum :P16:44
MilhouseI learned long ago that you never start your order numbers at 116:44
TheBootroowe know that Jolla is small, anyone knows, so does the press16:44
pp_also considered prime number theory over a group, but managment thought that was too complex ;)16:45
MilhouseMakes it much easier for your competition to get a bead on how sales are going. Start at some random number and go from there.16:45
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TheBootrooso even if  they don't published exact count of sold devices, at least a REAL percentage of WIP would be appreciated and harmless16:46
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TheBootroounless they don't want us to know that they only processed 10% of total16:47
AL13N_worki'm seriously getting pissed off at my android, i got this call, and the other side later said that i disconnected, while i couldn't hear anything, nor could i turn it off, or call anymore, i had to reboot my phone... :-(16:47
TheBootrooAL13N_work: yeah a friend of mine has exact same issue with SG2, and he's waiting public order opening to get a JOlla16:48
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TheBootrooand i have almost same issue on my N95016:48
TheBootroodropping calls, losing SIM card sometimes, not charging, not syncing calendars anymore, and mails barely once by day16:49
TheBootroonot talking of FB and twitter now unable to login16:49
TheBootroothat's why i really need my new phone before going to travel, would be hard to stay connected else16:50
TheBootroowith battery lasting only a couple of hours16:50
TheBootroo(doing nothing)16:50
AL13N_workTheBootroo: the real problem is that Google just updates their services app whenever they feel like it, even if i have updates disabled... which means that this 2.3 android is getting more and more bloated and slower to use16:55
AL13N_workTheBootroo: for my android, i ordered a new battery, but it seems like it's already getting worse...16:56
AL13N_workbut, this is my workphone16:56
AL13N_workdon't have much choice16:56
AL13N_workmy personal phone is a nokia dumbphone, broken by my son, so i need a new one... but no webshop yet :-(16:57
AL13N_worki'm sort of contemplating calling a few fins that i know if they would be willing to go to the shop and buy one an ship it to me16:57
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covoxAL13N_work: do it man!16:58
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AL13N_workcovox: why? so i can reduce jolla availability from finns?16:59
covoxAL13N_work: if there are phones to be had, surely that indicates an adequate supply17:00
AL13N_workplus, i still need to turn on bluetooth on my old nokia, so i can sync and get my contacts from phone memory :-(17:00
AL13N_workbut i have not much luck finding people who have this model17:00
covoxyou might have better luck buying the old sync cable on ebay17:01
covoxI got one for $217:01
AL13N_workthe phone is still on17:01
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AL13N_worki just have to find in the menu how to turn on bluetooth :-(17:01
AL13N_worki know that the settings menu is press + left17:02
AL13N_workbut17:02
covoxyou need to think like a symbian developer17:02
AL13N_workpre-symbian17:02
AL13N_worksorry17:02
covoxcheck under the ringtone settings17:02
covoxoh :P17:02
covoxS40?17:02
AL13N_workno, i forgot the type nr17:03
AL13N_workit's 4 digit nr17:03
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yanooVDVsx_: I've got an mail sent through group and for such case there is a missing "reply all"17:06
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AL13N_workcovox: i think it's a 3110 classic17:07
AL13N_workyes, that looks like it17:08
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pp_yay, macbook talks to jolla through usb & horndis \o/17:14
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pp_... now i just need dnsmasq & some ui and iptables hackery (or just have a script run as root and use a static ip)17:15
pp_but a silly UI that just runs a dhcp server for 192.168.2.100-254 & default route jolla rndis0 ip would do most of what I'm lacking in the phone17:17
AL13N_workyou're gonna all route traffic on your network through jolla?17:18
pp_well, when I'm mobile I need tethering!17:18
AL13N_workhow many ips will you need while you're mobile???17:18
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Pnuuenough :-)17:18
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pp_just about one would be enough (if I'm really pushing it I could have a virtual machine that needs a second one)17:19
AL13N_workyes17:19
AL13N_workthen why do you need dhcp server?17:19
pp_'cause setting up the client is much easier17:19
pp_dnsmasq pretty much does everything17:19
AL13N_workjust plug it in, set ip, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward17:19
AL13N_workand then masquerade with iptables17:20
pp_gives the client an ip + default route + dns server that work17:20
AL13N_worki know dnsmasq17:20
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pp_suppose an official solution will come before I actually need anything more than a manual configuration on my personal laptop17:23
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zbenjaminanyone got the google sync working completely? seems i miss calendars and some numbers17:27
zbenjaminjust uügrading, maybe its fixes then17:28
zbenjaminfixed17:28
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VDVsx_yanoo, like I said, if is just one recipient reply all will not be there, so if you reply to the group it goes to all, or I'm not understanding your use case17:31
petantikexchange doesn't seem to work properly for me, i think it may be related to requiring remote management features.17:31
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VDVsx_petantik, if you server requires provisioning wont work, not available yet17:33
VDVsx_petantik, you can ask your server admin to whitelist devices with type sailfishOS17:34
pp_hmn, was there some repo with tools like wget?17:34
petantikVDVsx_: Do you know if it's planned?17:34
VDVsx_petantik, yes is, but please not that provisioning can request insane stuff, so what is planned is the basic stuff for now (password enforce)17:35
petantikAh, okay. That might be problematic, i think mine requires remote wipe too.17:35
VDVsx_petantik, if your server request disable camera, bluetooth and stuff like that don't expect it soon17:35
petantikVDVsx_: afaik it's pin protect and remote wipe.17:36
VDVsx_yeah, those are the more common ones, second normally is optional even17:36
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petantikVDVsx_: i'll probably keep my android until i get some feature parity.17:38
zbenjaminnow i see, it doesn't show all my google calendars, how can i select the other ones?17:38
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VDVsx_zbenjamin, how did you managed to have google calendar in the first place ? :D17:38
VDVsx_afaik is not in update117:39
zbenjaminVDVsx_: erm i created a google account when it asked me ;)17:39
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zbenjaminin the intro you are getting asked what accounts you want to use17:39
VDVsx_zbenjamin, if you see default and birthdays calendar only they are local,, not from google17:39
zbenjaminthere you can select google17:39
VDVsx_google calendar sync is not supported yet17:39
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zbenjaminah :/, then the birthdays are from my contacts17:40
VDVsx_yes, local calendars17:40
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zbenjaminwhut? i hoped that should work already.... i mean doesn't google have caldav support?17:41
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zbenjamini need my calendars :(17:41
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Venemo_N9hey17:45
VDVsx_zbenjamin, afair was promised to be offered in a update, don't remember the status17:45
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Yanielhere is no caldav support yet17:46
Yanielbut exchange calendars seem to work17:46
petantikAre there any autoroate controls?17:47
petantikauto rotate*17:47
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zbenjaminYaniel: exchange doesn't help :/17:48
Yanielpetantik: hmm? camera controls rotate, as does the gallery17:50
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Azogis ther a way to delete all sms messages?17:50
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ZogG_laptopha17:51
ZogG_laptopthanks to TMO i found my tracking number before Jolla sent me17:51
chouchounemmmhhh, did anyone get issues configuring Yandex Store ?17:52
MMori_chouchoune: if it's the captcha, try changing language to english17:52
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chouchouneah17:53
SpeedEvilchouchoune: not working here17:53
chouchouneit is both captcha and phone number17:53
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SpeedEvilI get 'can't connect to server'17:53
chouchouneSpeedEvil: same here, will try in english17:53
ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: ha, you got device already too?17:53
SpeedEvilIn english17:53
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Pnuuworked for me when I connected via wifi17:54
Pnuuafter that also using mobile data17:54
chouchouneboth 3G and wifi fails17:54
SpeedEvilOnly wifi here17:54
chouchouneand is LTE functional already ?17:54
ShadowJKno17:54
petantikYaniel: I mean, can you stop it?17:55
chouchouneok, so Yandex Store works only in english ;)17:56
chouchounethanks MMori17:57
ZogG_laptopwhy is it Yandex and not amazon ? :)17:57
ZogG_laptopor something more international17:57
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SpeedEvilYandex doesn't work for me even in english.17:57
SpeedEvilMaybe it needs you to start it in non-english first.17:58
chouchouneSpeedEvil: do you use captcha or phone number stuff ?17:58
chouchouneSpeedEvil: the whoile system must be in english17:58
SpeedEvilNeither.17:58
SpeedEvilI setup an account on another device17:58
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petantikIf I set the alarm for 0820, the list shows 092017:58
MMorichouchoune: It does work in your native language after the configuration17:58
TofeI've got mine !17:59
chouchouneMMori: mmmhhh, ok, but first it needs to succeed in displaying some apps or whatever17:59
chouchounebecause for the moment, it's just loading17:59
grejppiis yandex part of android support? can you remove it if you don't want it?17:59
MMorichouchoune: try closing and restarting the app18:00
chouchouneI think I will put another store18:00
chouchouneit's already upsetting me ;)18:00
MMorithere's no apps for me in amazon app store :(18:00
MMoriI was a bit disappointed18:00
chouchouneF-Droid is fine for me18:01
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MMoriYandex has atleast a few games18:01
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chouchouneeverything I don't need (closed source apps) is not there ;)18:01
chouchouneah, finally andex displays something, thanks again MMori18:01
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MMorino problem, those are common issues18:01
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ZogG_laptopMMori: even russians don't use it to post apps18:02
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MMoriI just drained my phone battery while playing a game _and_ charging the phone battery18:02
ZogG_laptoplike i don't care about android app18:03
ZogG_laptopapps18:03
ZogG_laptopbut still this Yandex thing come from nowhere18:03
MMoriYup, yandex is still quite empty18:03
ZogG_laptopyandex is russian google clone18:04
ZogG_laptopit's nice company18:04
chouchouneeasy/cheap to integrate, licencing reasons, etc...18:04
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chouchoune?18:04
ZogG_laptopbut clone is clone :P18:04
ZogG_laptopi think that they coworked to do it18:04
ZogG_laptopi mean jolla nad yandex18:04
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MMoriI'm really worried about how long the battery actually lasts while using the phone. If I can't use it without draining the battery while charging the battery I don't know what I'm going to do with the phone. There are times when I just can't leave it charging for hours18:07
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SpeedEvilMMori: How charging18:08
SpeedEvilMMori: Charging from a PC islikely to be considerably slower.18:08
StskeepsMMori: we're working on a number of things related to power consumption18:08
MMoriWith the cable that came with the phone. I'm not charging using the PC18:08
MMoriStskeeps: That's good to hear! ^^18:08
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petantikI expect a lot of things will improve with time. It's a trial by fire.18:09
SpeedEvilI guess that'd mean the 150mA I measured with the display off, 'idle' wasn't a bogon.18:09
TofeStskeeps: I now have a Jolla :)18:09
StskeepsTofe: yay18:10
MMoriOf course, I wouldn't have bought the phone if I didn't expect it to improve ;)18:10
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MMoriI trust Jolla folks and the community18:10
* SpeedEvil imagines a world in which Stskeeps has worn his fingers to the bone typing 'yay'.18:10
Stskeepsjust imagine the speed that people will be developing at when they have strength enough again after xmas18:10
Stskeeps:P18:10
anonfriese_humm, i guess jolla is a bit smaller than i imagined: fedex says the package dimensions are 1x1x1cm :)18:10
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ccha4about ssh, what is default user ?18:11
Stskeepsanonfriese_: we use properitary black hole technology18:11
SpeedEvilccha4: nemo18:11
TofeI've got great hopes too, it's a nice base we have there18:11
w00tStskeeps: isn't the point of christmas to give time to hack?18:11
Stskeepsanonfriese_: it makes the device cheaper to ship.18:11
Stskeeps:P18:11
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ccha4ok thank Stskeeps18:11
MMoriStskeeps: And when you have the Jolla store for non-free apps you'll have the community developing with you ;)18:11
anonfriese_ah, nice :) that way, i can fit enough other halves together with my jolla in the pocket ;)18:12
TofeA little idea for the future: integrate the sms in the events page; it just sounds logical to me18:13
Tofe(or maybe I didn't understand how it works)18:13
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: maybe not18:14
ortylpI cannot connect to my email account, can it be, that selfsigned certificates throw a silent error?18:15
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: events is for flows18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinsms is not about flows, more about conversations18:15
TofeSfiet_Konstantin: ok, so what I'm missing is a conversation page, maybe18:15
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: \o18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinhey ZogG_laptop18:15
Sfiet_Konstantinhow are you ?18:15
ZogG_laptopnot bad not bad18:16
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: conversation page ? describe it, I'm curious18:16
Morpog_PCis google calendar sync implemented yet via google account or not at all?18:16
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: got tracking number, though no email yet and status is in picking yet. but someone on TMO showed search fedex kung-fu18:17
MMoriortylp, I've managed to configure my email just fine18:17
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: hehe :D18:17
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: soon I guess18:17
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_PC: on it ! :D18:17
TofeSfiet_Konstantin: well, that would be where you concentrate all the data that are pushed to you: mails, sms, mms, maybe others; or, another way to present it would be to classify it by people, like on N900 (or N9 maybe but I don't have that one)18:17
Morpog_PCon it, as getting implemented right now, or already on device?18:18
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: it says Tue which is tomorrow18:18
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: I don't like this idea: in a conversation apps, you want to have many different "feeds"18:18
Sfiet_Konstantinor conversations18:18
Sfiet_Konstantinevents view aggregates data from one single point to one single point18:18
Sfiet_Konstantin(facebook wall, tweets)18:18
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: but it would be at my friends place, now i need to think of how getting it, as he post poned his trip (and he wanted to jump by)18:18
ortylpMMori: with selfsigned certificate and STARTLS?18:18
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause the aggregated flow is not directed to you18:18
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: damn :(18:19
Sfiet_Konstantincan't you redeliver ?18:19
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: i'll probably get in after january18:19
ZogG_laptop:(18:19
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: oooh :(18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinbad18:19
MMoriortylp: yes18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinask for someone to pick it to you ?18:19
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't know18:19
Morpog_PCSfiet_Konstantin, ?18:19
ortylpMMori: thx, I'll try again :)18:20
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: i can but it would cost extra $ + israel customs are terrible. they'll want even more $ and they can send the phone for tests (like standarts and so on) so it would be more time and even more $18:20
ZogG_laptopSfiet_Konstantin: i don't think anyone going there18:20
ZogG_laptopoh18:20
ZogG_laptopmaybe sivang is there18:20
TofeSfiet_Konstantin: would rss events fit in the events view, from you point of view ?18:21
Tofeyour*18:21
Sfiet_KonstantinZogG_laptop: geez :(18:21
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: very well18:21
YanielI would find it wrong if RSS didn't show up in the events view18:22
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: would love an RSS "account" to configure RSS feeds in the events view18:22
TofeSfiet_Konstantin: then, if I set up an rss view of my mail flow/sms flow, it would fit in the events view ;)18:22
Sfiet_KonstantinTofe: indeed18:23
Sfiet_Konstantinwith sharing options too I guess18:23
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TofeInteresting. Now, I need to think a bit about it to see if that idea makes sense.18:24
TofeAn RSS account would be a need, before going further18:24
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* sledges just got me jolla! http://twiter.com/sledgeSim \o/18:25
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MMorisledges: ;) you need to change the nokia from your header banner :P18:26
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sledges:D18:26
sledgesMMori: still use it for nemomobile, maybe will clone twitter.com/nemomobile one ;)18:26
MMorisledges: It's better, yes :P18:27
sledgesno logo ;) on purpose, and also better screenshot res this way18:28
MMori:P Still no Jolla :P18:29
YanielI'm still disappointed that the launch event was not translated to "jolliest queue"18:29
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Pnuu:-D18:30
sledgestoo much time to waste again on gradient shaders to gimp custom screenshots on jolla cad pictures18:30
sledges:)18:30
sledgesn9 is a tallisman ;)18:31
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* SpeedEvil fails to properly wake up.18:35
SpeedEvilRemoving the yandex store app because you've installed the amazon store doesn't go very well.18:36
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Yanielisn't yandex tied to the android vm18:37
SpeedEvilYes.18:37
SpeedEvilThat's why it doesn't go very well.18:37
Yanielyep18:38
mordit seems it's possible to swipe to recipient details and then back to messaging overview and have both drawn (with the details under the overview), with swipe up and swipe down going to recipient details and other gestures/clicks going to /dev/null in jolla-messages18:42
mordhad to kill jolla-messages in terminal to get rid of that state18:43
mordokay that's not accurate, swiping in from the side got me to desktop and swipe from top hid messages; re-entering messages got me back to that weird state however18:44
mordcould not select input fields18:45
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SpeedEvilNetflix works. This makes me happy. (happiness level limited by the fact it should work natively)18:46
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ortylpaard: hi, is there already native aarddict or android is the only option?18:47
Aardortylp: I'm not aware of a native version, and I'm not sure why you're asking me ;)18:47
mordit's fairly hard to repeat that but gotten there after trying to send a sms to an invalid MSISDN a couple of times18:48
AardSpeedEvil: solution to that is very simple -- buy enough phones or make your relatives buy enough phones to get enough marketshare for netflix to notice :p18:48
ortylpaard: I assumed you are the aard from AARDdict :D18:48
AardI can check some sleeping personalities, but most likely I'm not :)18:49
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KabouikGot it!18:54
StskeepsKabouik: woop18:54
KabouikThanks Jolla and sailors, great work. Can already see it from the packaging, smells quality!18:54
KabouikI know you might have given that to third party, but you chose. ;)18:55
MMoriStskeeps: Is there a way to file in app bug reports without bothering you here every time? :P18:55
StskeepsMMori: just talk about them with your fellow community members and keep calm, we'll get there :P18:55
Morpog_PCwow, golem.de seems to love Jolla, after the 7 pages review they fired up another article today: http://www.golem.de/news/hands-on-sailfish-os-intelligenter-baukasten-zum-basteln-und-portieren-1312-103351.html (german)18:55
KabouikNow: can anyone tell me if I can format to ext3 my 64 MicroSD from the Jolla itself? My computer card reader seems not too friendly with SDXC, sees nothing.18:55
StskeepsKabouik: in developer mode you can probably18:56
KabouikThanks, will try that out Stskeeps18:56
KabouikShould I charge the battery before using the device, or instead empty it up before full charge?18:56
MMoriStskeeps: Good to hear. ^^18:56
SpeedEvilKabouik: It doesn't matter that much18:56
KabouikAlright, let's mess around with my Jolla then! :]18:57
SpeedEvilKabouik: There may be transient effects in the reporting of charge - but it'll even out over the next several charge cycles18:57
StskeepsKabouik: also, update when you get a chance18:57
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KabouikWill do as soon as accounts are set Stskeeps18:57
MMoriHi community! I just noticed that the Media app doesn't always list all songs that can be found from the memory card. While in the Artist list view, if the Artist is unknown and there are no Album details, the app doesn't list the songs but it does show the combined duration of the songs18:59
KabouikDecember 16th 2013, the day I removed my SIM card from my poor N9 without even looking at that poor guy, AND the day I forgot my N900 in the office. Sad day for some old lads.18:59
Kabouik(However, I don't think I'm going to totally forget the N900, never gonna happen.)18:59
StskeepsMMori: tracker-utils and tracker-search --help is probably your friend to help diagnose19:00
StskeepsKabouik: did you know that martin schule, our chief designer was behind n900 ui too?19:00
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MMoriAlso the All songs page shows the duration of each song from my memory card as 00:0019:01
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MMoriStskeeps: I'll try and figure out19:01
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KabouikI didn't Stskeeps, but he really has my admiration. N900 UI is not gesture friendly, but it's absolutely brilliant. The missing chain between laptops and portable devices. Actually I prefer (largely) using my N900 to write an email than my W8 tablet (full W8).19:02
KabouikThat sums up how good is the feeling on the N900. Thanks to Martin then ;)19:02
tobiskioo got my tracking number :p19:03
Stskeepstobiski: is it in scientific notation?19:03
mordKabouik: if "check for updates" under device info fails to find updates, try pkcon refresh && pkcon update in the terminal19:03
KabouikMine was Stskeeps, but perhaps you one of you should publish in the FAQ that the Order number (200000XXX) works in Fedex. Got my parcel history that way19:04
Stskeepspkcon refresh only, please, :P19:04
KabouikThanks mord19:04
StskeepsKabouik: i trust somebody's on top of it19:04
tobiskiStskeeps: similar to order id 10000XXXX and I live in Finland19:04
tobiskiI wonder how am I supposed to use that to follow itella's packages o_O19:05
Stskeepstobiski: ah ok19:05
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tobiskiusually itella's tracking numbers consist of letters and numbers19:06
KabouikFirst thought: the keyboard is approximately 258 times better than N9's one. Of course a swype-like input would be cool in the future, and of course it won't make me forget how much I would pay for a proper HWKB integration, but that's already good news.19:07
mordStskeeps: ah, ok. did not know that19:07
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KabouikI'm so happy I don't have to install Facebook app if I don't want it. I was discussing with one of you sailors once, perhaps w00t19:12
phlixilol, looks like as if the tracking have seen excel inbetween^^19:13
KabouikThe person was interested in what us, as customers, think about that "unlike" option to install what is wanted instead of removing what is unwanted.19:13
KabouikI confirm I like it.19:13
tobiskioh, there was itella's tracking number at the bottom of the email written in half of the size of other text :D19:13
phlixitracking code*19:13
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TurskiI just hope that Jolla store will never get to same point that all android stores are now, that there's shitload of ads in every application especially if it's free19:15
KabouikI second that Turski. Heavily.19:15
KabouikAnd my imaginary friends agrees.19:15
TurskiI would be happy if Jolla store does not allow ads19:16
SpeedEvilMy major problem with ads in many ways is not the ads.19:16
KabouikIf Jolla store was like Extra and Extra-devel on N900, I could dance in naked (but with pink socks) in a place in Helsinki, in winter.19:16
SpeedEvilIt's the permissions used to serve them.19:16
KabouikBut I won't if it's like Harmattan store.19:17
tobiskiad-block for mobile devices19:17
Sfiet_KonstantinKabouik: think community repo19:17
SpeedEvilThis is why 5 of the top 6 calculators have all the permissions needed to start scanning your netwokr at 3AM and reporting back to china19:17
SpeedEvil^on android google play19:17
TurskiKabouik: what was wrong on harmattan store?19:17
ortylpdoes anybody know how to get bluetooth keyboard to work with jolla?  I managed to pair the keyboard, but no key is recognised in the terminal19:17
KabouikYes Sfiet_Konstantin, still I prefer N900 repos over the N9 warehouse (a giant step forward though)19:17
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KabouikNot easy to find things, many useless things, searching was cuimbersome while on N9 you just time first letters (without entering any special menu) and get a filter on the apps, repos can be edited easily, etc.19:18
KabouikTo Turski19:18
Kabouikwhile on N900* sorry19:19
Turskihmm..19:19
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KabouikPOP3 or IMAP4 for Gmail.19:20
Kabouik?19:20
TurskiKabouik: set up google account, will probably be easiest19:20
KabouikSo I skip the email screen at startup installation?19:21
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Azogis there a way to install gpodder on the jolla? the instructions on gpodder.org point to zypper, which is not installed19:21
FryeGetting there. Still need to add some controls to configure settings and I should be able to attempt to push a game to harbour.19:22
TurskiAzog: ummm... are you saying there should be client for sailfish?19:22
KabouikErrr, Google account wants to sync my contacts. I disagree with Google account. :<19:22
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Turskikontio: you can disable synchronization19:23
TurskiKabouik: ^19:23
KabouikOk, perhaps in the settings after then. I just got the disclaimer here19:23
AzogTurski: yes, http://gpodder.org/downloads has sailfish on it and there is http://www.jollatides.com/2013/03/01/gpodder-first-app-to-run-on-sailfish-demo/19:23
pdanekGuys, I need to hope...19:24
pdanekIs there really a chance that my Jolla has been shipped already even if it's still in Paid status? Did it happen to people?19:24
pdanekneed hope*19:24
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TurskiAzog: download rpm and install it with pkcon install-local19:24
Azogpdanek: i got the tracking-id more or less the same time the package arrived. but is was in the picking state19:24
Yanielpdanek: a chance yes19:24
KabouikTry the Order number in Fedex tracking by Reference pdanek, just in case19:25
Yanielbut a slim one19:25
TurskiAzog: i'm not sure how repository handling works with sailfish...19:25
KabouikFill in your country and zipcode19:25
thpAzog: gpodder is not there yet. for now, you can use pkcon to install it, but you will have to add the repo manually. it'll eventually end up in harbour.19:25
pdanekKabouik: they use Fedex for EU shipping?19:25
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KabouikYes, got it in France by Fedex19:25
ZogG_laptoppdanek: yes19:25
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KabouikFirst time ever I'm going to keep the default wallpaper on a device... That vintage lens is just perfect for me, perhaps I even have it on shelf :p19:27
AJAX555sadface19:27
AJAX555still at "paid"19:27
PnuuKabouik: I like the ship on stormy sea19:28
YanielI durrently have the moss19:29
Yaniel*currently19:29
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pdanekso no, my order number isn't there19:30
pdanekmeans it was not shipped yet19:30
pdanekand I doubt it can be shipped to Slovakia until Friday19:30
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zbenjaminis there no rotation support?19:38
KabouikI like the "no splash screen" choice Jolla. I know it has sometimes been mistaken as a sign apps take a while to launch, but not more than on other devices19:38
zbenjamincan't get the browser to rotate to landscape19:38
KabouikIt's just that here instead of a useless splash, we have useful status and battery19:39
KabouikNo rotation on browser yet zbenjamin19:39
zbenjaminKabouik: any rotating apps?19:39
zbenjaminalso not on notes19:39
KabouikMaps I believe, camera19:39
Pnuuzbenjamin: I installed firefox from yandex, there's rotation19:39
Pnuuand gallery19:40
zbenjaminPnuu: hm i prefer native apps ;)19:40
zbenjaminPnuu: what other android apps do you use?19:41
PnuuI would too, but..19:41
Pnuufirefox and couple of random games19:41
zbenjaminanyone tried to get the android calendar app to work?19:41
PnuuI'd like to have keepass2 client too, native ofcourse if possible19:41
nanderI want native games ;)19:42
phlixipdanek: maybe this gets you more happy...19:42
pviljaTurski: You commented earlier Finnish translation in People for "send text message". That should show only under phone number. If you highlight other account for the contact, e.g fb, "send message" should show, and messaging allows you to switch type once there.19:42
pviljaIf there is something with translations, ping me and i'll check.19:42
nanderMaybe we should start a jolla exclusive team ;)19:42
nanderCreating foss jolla games ;)19:42
phlixipdanek:  this morning 8:55 fedex called (i was not awake then), later i checked status it said "in shipping"19:42
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phlixi...in picking19:42
phlixitypo :D19:42
pdanekphlixi: hm but I checked by reference, nothing, for sure it wasn't shipped yet19:43
pdanekphlixi: I compared with other orders and I can track them by order ID19:43
pdanekso it just wasn't shipped, else it would be in fedex19:43
phlixipdanek: around 11:30 i called back the fedex guy and he will bring it to me tomorrow19:43
pdanekhm19:43
phlixipdanek: it would have been already delivered, but fedex does not deliver to "packstation"19:44
phlixipdanek: AFTER that, at 13:12 i got mail from jolla with tracking code, then i checked shop and it said "shipped"19:44
nanderlol, the process is borked ;)19:45
ZogG_laptoppdanek: track and hunt them19:45
pdanekit's not in Fedex system at all19:45
pdanekso I can't do a shit19:45
phlixibasically, if i would have had it shipped to my home,, i would have received it while the shop still said "in picking"19:45
phlixisidenote, the tracking code is....19:46
Turskipvilja: ah, now i see19:46
phlixi7.97392E+1119:46
phlixi...someone used excel :D19:46
Turskipvilja: for some reason it asked what type of message i want to send after i clicked that "send text message"19:46
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Turskimessages application opened with that message type menu open19:48
Turskiand that confused me19:48
Turskinow it doesn't do that anymore19:48
Yanielinstalling stuff with pkcon does not require devel-su? :o19:48
petantikwhen you create a new email, how can you tell what account it will send from? from the active thumbnail19:49
Turskipvilja: if you close messages application with message type menu open, it will be open when you next time open it, even you open messages from people application with "send text message"19:49
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Turskipvilja: and that's what confused me, and for me it looks like a bug19:49
pviljaTurski: messaging has always the option to change type when contact has several accounts available, but yes, menu being already open is confusing. I agree it looks like a bug.19:53
KabouikWhat is the user name for ssh access? Root, user?19:53
KabouikOr have I to create it in terminal? Currently exploring the settings app19:54
Yanielnemo19:54
Yanielthe password is the one you set in Settings -> Developer Mode19:54
KabouikYes password is set, nemo is username, thanks19:54
YanielI recommend copying your ssh publickey over19:55
KabouikWorks gread, thank19:55
KabouikWhat do you mean? I'm a noob with ssh.19:55
Yanielnvm then ^^19:55
Yanielin ssh you can use keyfiles instead of passwords for authentication19:55
Turskikontio: on your pc $ ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id nemo@192.168.2.1519:55
Kabouik(Haha, that detailed fps view is so nerdy.)19:55
TurskiKabouik: ^19:55
Turskii'm tabfailing pretty well today19:56
Yanielthey consist of a private and a public key19:56
KabouikCan I do it from a Windows pc too? My Linux install is totally outdated19:56
Yanielthe private stays on your machine, the public one is distributed to all systems you want to ssh into19:56
Yanielyes putty supports keys as well19:56
TurskiKabouik: i don't know how that works on windows19:56
mudyci was looking for api documentation but found http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/ -> 403 forbidden19:57
KabouikI'm currently using filezilla. But what is the benefit of it over a password?19:57
Yanielon windows you'd want to use pageant to copy the public key string and paste it in vi on the device19:57
Yanielthe key is normally 2048 bytes19:57
Yaniela password is what, 8-1619:58
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Kabouikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQp613llRA I'm gonna try this out19:58
Yanielso glhf guessing someones key19:58
zbenjamini just got: "Problem with store, the other half doesn't work"19:58
zbenjaminwhen attaching my first one other half19:58
Yanieland keys can be locked with a password & managed with a keychain19:58
Turskii usually don't use passphrase with my keys19:59
pdanekDayZ standalone is out!19:59
Turskiof course depends on situation19:59
KabouikWow pdanek19:59
YanielI do; and I use ssh-agent to keep them cached for me :P19:59
KabouikIs the clock deviation that was reported the first days fixed with last update?20:02
KabouikNeed to know if I can trust the Jolla as my wake-up device20:02
pdanekKabouik: http://youtu.be/3ss1dckHhfI !!!20:03
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ZogG_laptopi use keys only between laptop/pc at home20:04
ZogG_laptopand had on n9 and i think bb10 as well20:04
KabouikThanks pdanek20:05
ZogG_laptopmeh20:05
ZogG_laptopgames20:06
KabouikDon't find the Steam page though pdanek (sorry for the little off-topic, done now)20:06
Turskiis that even available on linux?20:07
pdanekKabouik: should be on Steam soon, but not yet, you can buy it on http://dayzgame.com/ and they give you code that you can insert on Steam and get it to Steam later20:07
pdanekhowever their page is so overloaded now, so it's not much possible to buy it now20:07
KabouikThanks. Anyway no preorder order issue here, I can buy it later :D20:07
Turskimeh, no linux20:08
pdanekYep.20:08
pdanekIt's done by Bohemia Interactive.20:08
Turskibut my pc would fill the minimum requirements :D20:08
TurskiNVIDIA GeForce 8800GT \o/20:08
pdanekOperation Flashpoint will always be in my hearth.20:09
pdanekCzech version of course. :D20:09
pdanekheart*20:09
Pnuuhaaay, where's nethack from the default packages?! :-D20:10
SpeedEvilI have played a few games on the n900.20:11
SpeedEvilI'm not sure it'd beusable on the vkbd20:11
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pdanekKabouik: it's on Steam now!20:11
KabouikLet's throw some money away for a broken alpha. :]20:12
PnuuSpeedEvil: it's not that I'd play, but the principle ;-)20:13
Yanielspeaking of alpha games, I wonder how reset is doing20:13
SpeedEviltelnet nethack.alt.org20:13
Pnuumaybe I should play some nethack again, I think it's three years or so since the last game20:14
SpeedEvilThere are some insane players on there.20:14
SpeedEvilAscending 13/13 chars in a row.20:14
Pnuuyeah..20:14
PnuuI've played at nethack.fi, but that doesn't seem to respond20:15
Pnuumy best streak was three-in-a-row20:15
Pnuurandom characters20:15
SpeedEvilI tend to get sidetracked into pudding farming or polypiling.20:16
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Pnuutedious, those20:17
Pnuubut, well, I did one extinctionist..20:17
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KabouikFavorite apps in the Settings, are there any way they got an easier access? Need to keep the settings app open and have the short cuts below connection icons, right?20:18
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crysazbased on my measurements and surprisingly accurate extrapolation, it takes -2,87 procent units to run the phone on standby, without active network connection.20:25
crysazunits / hour20:25
Pnuumy guestimate is roughly the same, -20 %-units during the night (~8 hours of sleep)20:26
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zbenjaminis there documentation for how to create account types? Lets say i want to add a way to sync with my owncloud?20:28
nander1939 is the highest non-fin preorder nr in picking20:28
nanderI think tomorrow a lot of phones are gonna be picked20:28
nanderThe % in picking is low now20:28
nandera mere 22% in picking20:29
nander10% shipped, 18% arrived20:29
disharmoniccrap, i'm 2949 or something like that :(20:29
PnuuI think I had shipment # 2...114 and order # 2...7420:31
KabouikDocuments apps tells me there are no documents. That's true. Says that I have to pull down to add one though, but I can't: no pulley menu.20:31
AL13N_lizzyjolla on eBAY: Sold at 850£(1008€) and at $1175(855€) and 520£(616€); 700£(830€) (21h left); 550£ (0 bids, 1d left); $830 (0 bids, 2d left); $595 (3d left);650£ (WITH T-SHIRT; 3d left); 599£ (buy now); 530£ (0 bids, 4.5d left)20:32
KabouikWow.20:32
AL13N_lizzya few new ones popped up on ebay20:32
AL13N_lizzythis time, one with a i am the first t-shirt20:32
AL13N_lizzypretty odd why there are alot of bids in £20:33
pp_heh, almost a good business to get them from dna stores and ebay them :)20:33
KabouikWhat makes me sad is to think I could probably make good money of it and buy another one later. I'm in Europe, easy. But I won't. Am I crazy? :(20:33
AL13N_lizzypp_: that'll go away soon20:33
Stskeepsi kinda wonder what countries those ebay sales went to20:33
pp_yep, and they only have a few per store20:33
Stskeepsas i'm fairly sure it's not EU20:33
AL13N_lizzyis there a way to find out?20:34
Yanielhe NSA might knkow :P20:34
Yanielactually, they might even have one or two20:34
AL13N_lizzythe ones in $ are on US market, but the ones in £ are in london market... i don't think US people can actually see those20:34
PnuuI'd guess some techsites would want to have own unit for testing20:34
AL13N_lizzyif the ask, they can loan one for a few hours, i'm sure20:35
Pnuustill20:35
KabouikPerhaps these are just Jolla delivered to UK and sold for outside EU in £20:35
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AL13N_lizzyhmm, it seems i missed an earlier one that got sold for $150020:37
walokracrazy20:37
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KabouikWhen you think of it, it's jsut a few units. Not worse than those t-shirts or useless stuff sold for 5000 USD on Kickstarter20:39
KabouikSome people really are rich enough to avoid the wait, I guess, and if they can, then they should indeed20:39
KabouikOne question about the Google account: the sync function is for contacts only, or also Calendar? If only contacts, I disabled it, hence the question20:43
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walokrathere's no caldav support yet and thus no google calendar20:45
KabouikSo I can disable sync and use Mail4Exchange to sync the calendar instead20:45
AL13N_lizzybut, i imagine that sync will apply to everything in the future20:45
AL13N_lizzyand/or possibly have a selection20:46
KabouikI don't know what is everything, apart from contacts and calendar/tasks20:46
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AL13N_lizzyin principal, sync is dependant on what you're syncing, but eg: ActiveSync can contain contacts/notes/tasks/agenda/email iinm20:53
AL13N_lizzyi suppose others might have similar or even added chat functions or whatnot20:53
AL13N_lizzyi just think that in essense, jolla will sync everything it can (or has functionality for, at that time), by default20:54
AL13N_lizzyYaniel: also, you're not entirely correct, as in, that that is a requirement for being able to sell in the US20:55
AL13N_lizzypossibly, because the device is too open, it will be rejected20:55
AL13N_lizzyfor US markets20:55
AL13N_lizzybecause everyone buying Jolla must be a terrorist!20:56
Pnuuand a communist!20:57
AcceEspecially communist20:57
AcceI think we all have seen this: http://archive.nodalpoint.org/files/images//open_source_communism.preview.jpg20:58
jubo2c☭mmiemist!!20:58
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jubo2g'damm c☭mmiemist always telling us to refuse the capitalist his ownership of capital and the revenues from it20:58
AcceIt says in the terms and conditions that every Jolla user must make a pilgrimage to Lenin's grave20:58
jubo2Acce: dude I don't think he has a grave20:59
jubo2it's a mausoleum20:59
Accejubo2: I thought you were gonna claim he's still alive :D20:59
jubo2means glass box they put your preserved body..20:59
AL13N_lizzylol21:00
Stskeepsjubo2: did you get a jolla phone yet?21:00
Stskeepswe made the phone, will you buy it now?21:01
Stskeeps:P21:01
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jubo2Stskeeps: I'm waiting to have one at hand in DNA Kauppa21:02
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jubo2There was this ad about Jollas in DNA Kauppa but I'll belive it when I see21:02
jubo2plus they promised to send me email when it's in the stores21:02
celeron55just thought to drop by and mention that jolla should be pretty damn sure to make sure preorderers in finland get something to compensate the preorder punishment they are now getting21:02
Accejubo2: they didn't send me an email in the end.. only an SMS21:03
Pnuuceleron55: what punishment?21:03
AcceI got mine from DNA kauppa21:03
jubo2Acce: they didn't send me shit21:03
disharmonicYou do realise Red Hat is a US company right :P21:04
celeron55Pnuu: anyone can go pick one up from a DNA shop on the street, while preorderers have to wait and wait and wait to get theirs if they don't want to buy a second one21:04
jubo2I'll have to call 'em and mention "I've been urr loyal customer for 12.5 yrs, how come you no send me a message that the Jolla is at DNA Stores..?!?!??!"21:04
celeron55it's ridiculously unfair21:04
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Pnuuceleron55: I believe all pre-orders will be shipped before those fet units are available from DNA stores21:05
jubo2I hope it has a calendar that syncs with everything21:05
Accewell it is weird, I got mine the day they came to the DNA shops21:05
celeron55that has been the situation for weeks now21:05
jubo2yeah.. that and way to translate cyrilic into an understandable lang21:05
pp_a friend got one last week with no pre-order21:05
PnuuI got mine last tuesday21:06
celeron55people are basically just picking them up without pre-orders and ridiculing those who preordered as being stupid21:06
celeron55it's unbearable21:06
celeron55at least send people extra second halves or something, it just isn't fair otherwise21:07
w00t..21:07
w00twrong window21:07
celeron55i sure hope someone responsible for this reads this21:08
Pnuu I think I've missed something21:08
* nadriel_ senses anger in the channel21:09
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jubo2I bought a NOK E75 with the money I coulda used to purchase an iPhone 2Gs21:10
KabouikAhhhhhhhhh noooooooo. No way to appear invisible on Gmail. Ahhhh. On the N9 I could, as I do on Gmail.com. There are people I want to avoid but not to block. :(21:10
jubo2just was so pissed off at AAPL at that point that it didn't compute21:10
KabouikCan't use Gmail chat so... :(21:10
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specialKabouik: hmm21:11
tehdelyhas anyone in round #2 preorders gotten their device?21:12
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jubo2I can't belive this cult status..21:12
jubo2Benefon was the last..21:12
specialKabouik: I'll look at it and file a task about exposing the hidden presence.21:12
celeron55tehdely: hopefully not, as at least some people in round #1 haven't got theirs21:12
KabouikYou can be offline here special, but then you can't use the Gmail chat feature. On the N9 there was an invisible feature (online but invisible). You can still do it on gmail.com if not using hangouts21:12
tehdelyceleron55: ooh, harsh21:13
jubo2then there was just one mobile device company "By the engineers and only by the engineers"-Nokia21:13
specialKabouik: ah, wait21:13
celeron55tehdely: explain why that wouldn't be reasonable21:13
specialKabouik: open events view, pull down to show presence details, tap the account, can't you select "Hidden"?21:13
tehdelyno, i mean that is harsh.  that people in the 1st round still haven't gotten their devices21:13
tehdelyi am in the 2nd round.  i was starting to get impatient but that has sort of put me in my place21:13
KabouikNot hidden, just Offline/Away/Available special21:13
specialtap the account specifically, not the global controls along the top21:14
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Kabouikspecial, marry me.21:14
KabouikWe'll be happy together, and we'll have a nice house and a big dog. And dozens of children.21:14
special:>21:14
KabouikAnd can I use hidden status on Gmail if my global status is offline? Don't really know what the global status is fore speciala21:15
Kabouikspecial21:15
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SpeedEviltehdely: I'm at #1040 or so and had it earlier today21:16
specialKabouik: at the moment, changing the global status will change them all together, but you can change them individually afterwards21:16
nadrielhrhm, facebook and gmail integration with messages work fine21:16
* nadriel likes21:17
KabouikOk, the key is to change them afterwards then special? Thanks for this tip, really useful21:17
specialnadriel: good to hear, that's my work ;)21:18
specialKabouik: I believe the idea is to have the account-specific ones override the global ones permanently, but that isn't done yet21:19
KabouikPlease special, never remove that "Hidden" status even if Google hangouts (new chat system) removed it. A lot of people like me still use the old chat system just for that21:19
KabouikBut if I change the global afterwards, then it resets all specific accounts to that general status, right?21:20
specialyes21:20
specialcurrently.21:21
nanderThe shape of the graph changed a lot ;)21:21
KabouikWell, whatever happens next, just keep that hidden feature here, or I divorce special.21:21
specialKabouik: we'll keep it as long as their server keeps supporting it21:21
special(and it will always be there for generic XMPP, of course)21:22
KabouikGood news!21:22
KabouikBy the way, instead someone is wondering: animated gifs show animated in the email app.21:22
KabouikBUT overlong URLs mess up the display because they won't break line properly (they won't at all).21:23
Kabouik-instead +in case21:23
nadrielspecial, still need irssi private message integration and video over irssi support. ; )21:23
nadrielAm not asking much, just leetle things.21:24
specialhaha21:24
nadrielYou happen to know where ambiances are stored? I've got this problem that now twice my ambiances have been disappearing and the pictures they wre made of also went *poof*21:26
nadrielTried looking around but spent 15 minutes just browsing folders21:26
TujutzkiI really like the setup with the statuses as it is now, FWIW21:26
Tujutzkiseems logical21:27
specialnadriel: is that your custom ambiances, or the preloaded ones?21:27
nadrielspecial, preloaded ones did the disappearing trick, and a few custom ones21:27
specialthe preloaded ones disappear if you uninstall the "Tutorial" app, there's a fix coming for that21:28
nadrielAh!21:28
nadriel: D21:28
nadrielWhat about the custom ones?21:28
specialthat I don't know21:29
nadrielCould that have affected to custom ones also?21:29
nadrielHrhm..21:29
Accesigh, still no luck with XMPP21:29
nadrielI'm pondering what I did before it happenned.21:29
Morpog_MobileNew update changelog?21:29
nadrielAt least I've deleted tutorial, so.21:29
Acceeven though I got a signed certificate21:29
specialAcce: what's the problem?21:30
pdanekIRC client available?21:30
Accespecial: my XMPP account doesn't show up in the events view21:30
pdanek& can I somehow access the repos via zypper outside Sailfish?21:30
nadrielpdanek, just finger term and ssh, but I think there was some app in yandex21:31
pdanekbut I hate the idea of using Android app for such basic thing as IRC21:31
pdanekit's like phone call function21:31
specialAcce: the error handling really sucks (in that it doesn't really exist) for new XMPP accounts currently. Do you have developer mode enabled?21:31
Accespecial: yeah I have21:31
pdanekI'm a bit worried that importance for good native apps won't be as high because of the Android app compatibility.21:32
specialpdanek: I've seen one or two around github at least21:32
Accespecial: I just get this in journal: Dec 16 23:32:41 localhost lipstick[972]: AccountSyncAdapter.qml: Account 6 from jabber isn't syncable.21:33
Morpog_MobileUpdate your devices guys21:33
Morpog_Mobile1.0.1.1221:33
nadrielNo choice but to obey?21:33
KabouikAnyone tried to create a Yandex account and did not receive the code by SMS? I used the +XX digits to ensure my phone would work internationally21:34
Yanielyay \o/21:34
specialAcce: try journalctl -a | grep WOCKY21:34
Bysmyyrstore is not respondig21:34
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Yanielprobably a short disturbance because of deploying the update21:34
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Accespecial: did that, it says my ssl certificate is untrusted, which we earlier thought would be the problem21:35
Acceso I got a signed certificate today, but still the same.. maybe there is some delay before the certificate is recognized trusted?21:36
Kabouik(Oh we can edit forwarded mails and replies, so happy you guys didn't reproduce the error of N9's Fenix)21:36
specialAcce: mm, moment21:37
specialAcce: pkcon install qt5-qttools-qdbus; /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager21:38
speciallook for the path matching the account you're interested in ('mc-tool dump' can help if you have multiple xmpp accounts)21:39
specialthen: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus --literal org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Account/gabble/jabber/jabber_38 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Account # and substitute your object path for mine21:39
ortylpMy microsd card has not been detected, am I doing something wrong, or root access and mount command is needed?21:39
AL13N_lizzydevmode needed, afaik21:39
specialit *might* tell you specifically what failed in validating the certificate.21:39
Accespecial, thanks, I'll check it out21:40
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restless_beinghuh, cool new update. installation in progress.21:41
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specialAcce: it's a bit of a poor substitute for real account error handling ;)21:41
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ortylpKabouik: I have tried to remove yandex store app and as a result "android support" has been removed :(21:42
ortylpHow to access SD card on Jolla????21:42
KabouikHow sorry ortylp, was not asking anyone to remove it :(21:42
KabouikBut I can't create an account, I don't receive that sms with code. And the phone number is correct21:43
restless_beingKabouik: i didn' receive it too.. created account via yandex web page and seems to work21:43
Yanielortylp: /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/21:44
KabouikThanks, will do then. And another question: possible to select text from the browser? I'd like to copy something21:44
specialAcce: if all else fails, at the cost of security: 'mc-tool update gabble/jabber/jabber_xxx bool:ignore-ssl-errors=true' will get it connecting21:45
special(run as nemo)21:45
TurskiMorpog_Mobile: wut, already...21:46
Accespecial: Hmm, well, for all I can understand from this output it just says the signer is unknown, and therefore the certificate cannot be trusted21:47
ortylp Yaniel: /run/user/100000/ is empty :(21:47
AcceI guess I'll try ignoring it, since it's my own server anyways21:48
Yanielare you sure you have the correct amount of 0's there?21:48
Yanielthere are two folders in /run/user for me21:48
Yanielwith almost the same name21:48
AcceI guess I'll try ignoring it, since it's my own server anyways21:49
Accewhoops21:49
ortylpYaniel: yes, i checked both21:49
Yaniel:/21:50
YanielI did find my sd card there21:50
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ortylpMorpog_Mobile: I have 1.0.1.10 and "Updates: Up to date"21:52
ortylpYaniel: how is your SD card formatted?21:52
sledgessame here ortylp21:52
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YanielFAT32 or FAT16, I'm not sure21:52
Yaniel1 partition21:52
Accespecial: thanks, I got connected by ignoring the ssl error, I hope there will be better error handling on this in the future :)21:52
YanielI've been using it that way with my E51 and N821:53
specialAcce: yeah. We need to check the connection as part of XMPP account setup, and display errors better for existing accounts.21:53
* special makes a note to check on those bugs21:53
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petantikany changelog?21:57
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KabouikI like (a lot) the possibility to install several apps at a time in the store. I'm sure they are only queued, but doesn't matter, it's a terrific gain of time compared to the N9 store where we needed to wait a million years22:04
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ortylpYaniel: OK, a FAT formatted card is visible there in terminal, but not from Android app... mystery solved...22:05
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cvphello, use someone the xmpp chat with a own server ?22:07
Sfiet_Konstantincvp: with dukgo's server22:08
cvpi try with my own server, but cant connect. with xabber (android) it has no problem22:08
AL13N_lizzyortylp: ah, yes, android doesn't have access to it22:09
AL13N_lizzyortylp: it might be if you --bind mount it to where alien dalvik can be used22:09
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ortylpAL13N_lizzy: that is too bad, I have 20GB data for aarddict and 10GB of maps for osmand...22:10
ln-hmm, i tried to charge N9 with jolla's charger, and N9 said not enough power.22:10
cvpi am little bit frustrating woth xmpp22:11
AL13N_lizzyO_o22:11
AL13N_lizzysmall update is coming!22:11
ortylpAL13N_lizzy: symbolic links do not work either22:11
AL13N_lizzy7min ago22:11
AL13N_lizzyortylp: mount --bind22:12
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AL13N_lizzyof course symlinks do not work android apps are chrooted22:12
AL13N_lizzyor at least sandboxed22:12
nadriel: D22:12
AL13N_lizzyanyone see the small update yet?22:13
nadrielThey said they're going to update this often22:13
AL13N_lizzyit should in future updates keep the store working (or something)22:13
nadrielbut this is too much22:13
nadrielUpdate every 10 minutes might be a bit too much.22:13
AL13N_lizzyno, this is a small fix, before the real bugfix release EOY22:13
ortylpAL13N_lizzy: OK, never used "--bind", I'll check it out later, now I am too sleepy to tinker any more...22:13
ortylpno update on my side22:13
AL13N_lizzyortylp: mount --bind is used to link a source dir to a dest dir22:14
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nadrielInstalling the small update atm22:14
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AL13N_lizzyit seems this one is required, because the big bugfix updates later will require this or the store would stop working and possibly you'd have to reset the domain or something22:15
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AL13N_lizzynadriel: i suspect the backup and such will take longer than the actual update22:15
AL13N_lizzybbiab, chores22:16
nadrielActually installin this takes a long time.22:16
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phaeronnadriel: which version are you updating to ?22:17
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restless_beingthe second one was quite fast22:17
nadrielMine froze. : )22:18
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AL13N_lizzyO_o22:18
AL13N_lizzynadriel: really?22:18
nadrielYep, really22:18
KondouHow do I get the "touch-to-toggle" buttons in the main settings screen back? I toyed a bit around with them, but when I'm adding new ones to my favourite settings they aren't the toggles I started with … settings's action cover doesn't show anything usefull as well anymore22:18
SpeedEvilThe above hastle I was having setting up yandex was due to the date widget.22:19
AL13N_lizzy^^ Stskeeps22:19
nadrielRebooted.22:19
AL13N_lizzynadriel: what happened?22:19
AL13N_lizzydid you have a network hiccup or something?22:19
nadrielI'll see in a bit22:19
SpeedEvilI assumed swiping back would confirm the date setting. I was back in November.22:19
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SpeedEvilYou actually have to tap the selected textual date - not the calendar before swiping back22:19
Nicd-changelog for update?22:20
AL13N_lizzyKondou: isn't this just the cover of the settings app?22:20
BysmyyrI do not see anymore stuff from memory card, same issues?22:20
KondouAL13N_lizzy: well the actual settings action cover shows some neat icons and such, but mine doesn't anymore22:21
Kondouit's just the settings icon22:21
AL13N_lizzyKondou: you're not on a second page or something or?22:21
AL13N_lizzywhat if you close the settings and restart it?22:21
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AL13N_lizzyNicd-: small fix to keep in future updates store working22:22
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AL13N_lizzyremember EOY there is a bugfix update planned22:22
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Nicd-AL13N_lizzy: OS update or app update+22:22
Nicd-*?22:22
TurskiOS22:22
Nicd-can't see it22:22
Nicd-says "up to date"22:22
nadrielO . o22:23
Turskisame here22:23
teveI got another update request even I'm already running VERSION="1.0.1.12 (Laadunjärvi) (armv7hl)"22:24
AL13N_lizzy1.0.1.1222:24
Nicd-up to date even though I'm on 1.0.1.1022:24
phaeronit will hit all devices morning-ish22:25
AL13N_lizzybtw: JollaHQ: "We are moving onto more markets in Q1 2014, when you will be notified further." <--- note the word "Markets" --> plural???22:25
phaeronfor those who got it no need to downgrade22:25
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: oh, it's normal that it's spread out?22:25
nadrielOkay.. Here's what happened. I selected a update, it updated to current version it seems. which is 1.0.1.10.... Laadunjärvi.22:25
nadrielWhich I was already running.22:25
petantikmysterious.22:25
AL13N_lizzynadriel: i thought you said it hanged and you rebooted?22:25
nadrielAL13N_lizzy, I thought it hanged too.22:26
teveyep, mine downgraded back to 1.0.1.1022:26
AL13N_lizzylol22:26
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phaeronAL13N_lizzy: yes but the downgrade bit is confusing of course22:26
nadrielThe thing rebooted then and started. Was around 70% for a looooong time.22:26
petantikcould have been a borke dupdate22:26
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: yes22:26
nadrielSo I thought it hanged.22:27
phaeronanyway guys just hold on till morning22:27
nadrielBut seriously, to sleep now, enough fuzz for one evening. : D22:27
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: so, lemme get this straight, there was a small update that automatically downgrades so that the next upgrade doesn't lose store functionality?22:27
nadriel'nite22:27
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: sorry, i spread it here, because i read it on devel@sailfishos.org22:28
AL13N_lizzyi meant devel@lists.sailfishos.org of course22:28
phaeronAL13N_lizzy: it's ok22:28
phaeronAL13N_lizzy: it won't downgrade tomorrow22:28
AL13N_lizzyoic22:28
* restless_being likes how it sounds: "update that automatically downgrades"22:29
AL13N_lizzyso it's more of a timing thing22:29
AL13N_lizzyheh22:29
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AL13N_lizzyphaeron: still, nice that QA noted that there would be a problem in the next update, so that this could be fixed before the next bugfix update22:30
phaeronyou're welcome :)22:30
KondouAL13N_lizzy: https://cloud.ts.unde.re/public.php?service=files&t=0aef9b6983510bf14253f71a01b543f4 see top middle22:30
AL13N_lizzyit definately gives the idea that people are working on it!22:30
Kondouusually it's 4 icons for wlan and such22:30
AL13N_lizzyyes22:31
AL13N_lizzyKondou: restarting the app didn't do anything?22:31
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: look at that link... is this normal?22:31
Kondouyup …22:31
phaeronlooking22:32
phaeronyou mean the settings icon ?22:32
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phaeronerr settings active cover22:32
phaeronKondou: did you remove them from "favorites" ?22:33
Sfiet_KonstantinKondou: long press the airplane mode switch and select add to favorite22:34
Sfiet_Konstantinsame for WIFI, Data and Bluetooth22:34
Kondouphaeron: yup, and readded them like Sfiet_Konstantin said22:35
Kondouinitially they are toggle-able22:35
phaeronok . so nothing major ( they didn't disappear on their own that is ) :)22:35
AL13N_lizzyheh22:36
Kondounow they aren't toggle-able anymore though22:36
Sfiet_KonstantinKondou: they should22:36
Kondouand don't show up on the cover22:36
Kondouhttps://cloud.ts.unde.re/public.php?service=files&t=609848027c6f51afc727cb858687997922:36
KondouI removed them22:36
Sfiet_KonstantinKondou: go in the settings and pin them again22:36
Nicd-so what's happening with this update? there's an update that downgrades itself to remove a bug in an update that has not come out yet? I am thoroughly confused22:36
Kondouand readded them22:36
Sfiet_KonstantinKondou: you added the categories22:37
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Sfiet_Konstantingo inside the category and pin the switches22:37
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: that's exactly it, though if you get it tomorrow, it won't be downgraded22:37
AL13N_lizzygo figure22:37
KondouSfiet_Konstantin: oh I see22:38
Kondouthanks22:38
phaeronthe downgrade part is a bug in itself22:38
Nicd-well it's not upgrading now so I guess I'll try tomorrow22:38
phaeronyes tomorrow it will be an upgrade that doesn't downgrade22:38
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: i got a question, is every update something like: "oh gods, i'm getting a heart attack?"22:38
AL13N_lizzyfor devs, i mean?22:39
AL13N_lizzyi guess having it for the public is new for you guys too22:39
phaeronnah we have a process for things :)22:39
phaerononly the release / qa guys get the heart attacks :D22:39
AL13N_lizzyit's like when i finish my project, it goes live and even if you do QA, there's still (in the beginning) the "what if we missed something or ...."22:40
AL13N_lizzyphaeron: hahaha22:40
phaerondevelopers just commit to git and watch things blow up :D22:40
* phaeron thinks it's past his bed time already 22:40
AL13N_lizzyheh22:41
tigeliphaeron: I just woke up :D22:41
AL13N_lizzytigeli: go back to bed :-)22:41
tigeliAL13N_lizzy: I've been sleeping like 20 hours today already :D22:42
tigeliflu <322:42
AL13N_lizzyoic22:42
AL13N_lizzybut you love the flu???22:42
AL13N_lizzyhow quaint22:42
tigelialways :D22:42
tigelifeel like dying :D22:42
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AL13N_lizzyare you one of those guys that kick on near-death experiences, in the hopes of having the out-of-body experiences???22:43
tigelinot really :D22:44
tigeliwhen I'm sick I wish to be ok or dead.. being sick is just depressing.22:45
AL13N_lizzyoic22:46
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KabouikWhat's the commandline to install a local .apk file?22:53
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SpeedEvilapk<tab>22:58
SpeedEvilI forget the exact command - it's pretty obvious22:58
SpeedEvilapkd-install or something22:58
KabouikThanks, let's try it out!22:59
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KabouikWell, need to be root :>23:00
specialI think there's even an association set up23:01
specialin which case 'xdg-open file.apk' would do it23:01
Kabouikhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish#Enable_Root_Access hop23:01
KabouikOh crap, it's for Sailfish on N923:02
specialyou don't need to do anything for root access23:02
specialyou have root as soon as you have developer mode23:02
specialjust run 'devel-su'23:03
KabouikAh, devel-su, that was what I was looking for, thanks. Got confused between "root" on N900, and N9 command23:03
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stephgif anynone is still up, is the store still messed up for you (on device: i.e. can't sign in)23:15
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AL13N_lizzyhmm, do you run apkd-install as root??? that doesn't sound safe23:17
sledgeszbenjamin: contacts got synced jus fine with google account. cc: Morpog_Mobile23:18
stephgAL13N_lizzy: no23:18
AL13N_lizzystephg: above in the chat logs SpeedEvil and Kabouik are sorta trying this?23:19
Morpog_Mobilesledges: yep, but not calendar23:19
AL13N_lizzyit doesn't sounds safe to me...23:19
sledgescalendar im not using, maybe zbenjamin mistyped..23:20
AL13N_lizzyMorpog_Mobile: no caldav yet23:20
stephgAL13N_lizzy: yeah I knew it was a problem before, was wondering if it still was, thx23:20
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AL13N_lizzystephg: ?23:21
AL13N_lizzyi didn't know it was a problem23:21
AL13N_lizzyit just doesn't sound safe to me23:21
AL13N_lizzyanyway, i'm off to sleep23:21
stephgAL13N_lizzy:23:22
stephgbefore you go23:22
stephgI got my wires crossed, but apkd-install doesn't need root I don't think23:23
stephgI tried the play store hack without elevated privs and it worked just fine23:23
KabouikAL13N_lizzy: no idea, I just know I couldn't run apkd without root privileges23:24
stephgKabouik: you'd enabled developer mode? (dunno if they're related, just asking)23:24
KabouikSaid "apkd: not running as root, exiting"23:25
KabouikYes I did23:25
KabouikAnyway I had to, to run Fingerterm, no?23:25
stephgright23:26
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zbenjaminsledges: no contacts works, calendar doesn't23:40
zbenjaminsledges: but i need calendar :(23:41
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TurskiKabouik: apkd or apkd-install?23:50
SpeedEvilIt was indeed apkd-instaall I was referring to above23:50
Kabouikapkd Turski23:51
KabouikShould I have used apkd-install?23:51
macmaNyes. jolla is at least as awesome as i expected.23:51
Turskiapkd-install is what is used to install apk packages23:51
stephgapkd-install worked for me without elevated privs23:51
KabouikAlright, so don't know what was apkd. To uninstall the app, I long-press the icon and delete?23:52
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Turskiyes23:52
KabouikDoes it purge conf files too?23:52
Turskii'm not sure23:53
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Turskibut just a little tip: don't run anything as root if you are not sure what you are doing23:54
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KabouikI'd say no, since I got all my settings back when reinstalling with apkd-install Turski23:54
Turskigood23:54
KabouikSo I don't know how to uninstall and purge an Android file23:54
Turskihow about apkd-uninstall?23:55
KabouikI've not tried it yet. Perhaps there is an apkd-uninstall --purge something23:56
Turskior then just locate the configs and remove them23:56
KabouikYes but still no native filemanager, right? Plus a proper command would be better to be sure. There probably is one23:57
Turskithere is native filemanager, it's just not in store23:57
KabouikURL!23:58
Turskipkcon install jolla-fileman23:58
KabouikThanks Turski23:58

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