#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2013-12-21

*** Eztran has joined #jollamobile00:00
parasemicguys! i was thinking00:12
parasemicshould someone start a thread in maemo talk about workarounds, fixes etc00:13
specialuh oh.00:13
*** raignarok has quit IRC00:13
parasemicas, at the moment you gotta go through epic threads to find some pieces of knowledge00:13
parasemiclike, many people just don't know you can see whatsapp contacts by sending a new message etc00:14
parasemicwould be cool to have a thread and 1st post updated with list of stuff00:14
parasemicdamnit, ill do it00:15
*** planasb has quit IRC00:15
*** pdanek has joined #jollamobile00:16
restless_beingparasemic: also have a look on this: http://elinux.org/Jolla00:16
*** Kabouik has quit IRC00:16
*** Kabouik has joined #jollamobile00:17
*** raignarok has joined #jollamobile00:17
parasemicoh cool, but should be on the forum too, or link should be widespread00:18
restless_beingprobably a forum thread would be more popular00:19
parasemicand, i kinda ment those "everyday problems" also00:20
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile00:20
parasemiclike how to do thing X when it might be kinda hidden in the UI behind weird swipe etc00:21
parasemicwhich make most "common" people have frustrating time with the phone00:21
parasemicand any smart tips etc00:22
restless_beingsure. would be nice to have this all toghether00:23
parasemicif nobody else does it, ill do it tomorrow00:25
*** Kabouik_ has joined #jollamobile00:26
cvpspecial ?00:27
specialcvp: ?00:28
*** Kabouik has quit IRC00:28
cvpdo you know how we can change the priotry from xmpp to 0 ?00:28
specialinteresting question00:29
cvp:)00:30
specialit looks like it should be defaulting to 000:31
cvpok00:34
specialwhich is somewhat non-ideal, but.. priority in general is somewhat non-ideal00:34
pdanekcamera in Jolla is covered by glass or plastic?00:35
pdanekor, protected, not covered00:35
cvpthanks for watching :)00:35
cvpfileman has no copy past / move function right ?00:36
Kabouik_Don't think so cvp00:39
*** arcean has quit IRC00:40
parasemicit has no delete function, tho00:43
*** planasb has quit IRC00:44
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile00:46
SpeedEvilpdanek: It feels like ass00:49
SpeedEvilglass00:49
w00tquoted for truth ;)00:50
w00tSpeedEvil: so you got yours then?00:50
SpeedEvilyes00:50
w00tgood00:51
SpeedEvilI'm at the middle of playing with my new vacuum pump and other stuff to get my AC installed though.00:51
SpeedEvilAnd have been concentrating on that for the recent past - what with the whole 'house at 10C' thing.00:51
*** pdanek has quit IRC00:52
w00tha00:52
w00tspecial calls me crazy for having a wood fire00:53
w00twe'll see who freezes to death first when the zombie apocalypse comes00:53
*** Eztran has quit IRC00:53
*** stuartmd has quit IRC00:54
Kabouik_I'd kill for a wood fire w00t.00:55
Kabouik_Perhaps I should kill you and take your house, simplest way.00:55
specialw00t: I never even knew you could heat your house with AC until you mentioned it.00:55
SpeedEvilspecial: that was me.00:56
special(he mentioned it long ago)00:56
SpeedEvilspecial: Here, it's the cheapest way of heating.00:56
SpeedEvilAh00:56
specialI'm used to having dedicated central heating, usually natural gas00:56
SpeedEvilspecial: You get AC units which output 5.7W per W of electricity.00:56
SpeedEvilThis is of the order of half the price of natural gas.00:57
*** eijk_ has quit IRC00:57
specialnatural gas is damn cheap in the US, we like our gas.00:57
SpeedEvilUnder 1/3 of the cost of electricity per kWh?00:57
specialit is the most economical home heating here, at least00:57
specialnot sure about the math exactly00:57
SpeedEvilDo check these assumptions periodically.00:58
SpeedEvilUntil fairly recently, the most commonly available ACs had a COP/EER of about 3 in normal conditions.00:58
SpeedEvilNow, some of them are approaching 6 - they've halved in cost to run.00:59
*** dunp has quit IRC00:59
specialit's also just what everyone does01:00
*** dunp has joined #jollamobile01:00
ShadowJKI am disappointed with this winter. It keeps cycling around -1 and +1. It's very weird not having one or the other. Phse change effects?01:01
planasbrussians gas is expensive as hell01:01
Kabouik_Phse?01:01
ShadowJKPhase.01:01
Kabouik_You mean climate change effects?01:01
ShadowJKNo01:01
w00tShadowJK: here it seems to be more like +10 - -2 which is a bit more irritating01:02
ShadowJKAs long as temp stays below 0C, temp vs energy consumption is fairly predictable and linear01:03
ShadowJKBut crossing 0, it seems kinda weird :)01:03
ShadowJKTraditionally, when snow comes, we gather all the snow and pile it against the building walls as insulation. As long as temp stays freezing, the snow acts as very good insulation01:04
ShadowJKBut when it melts, which USUALLY only happens in spring, it acts to add building heating needs01:05
ShadowJKThis winter there have been 4-5 melt cycles which usually do not happen, which have made energy requirements peak :/01:05
ShadowJKOn the plus side, the Mitsubishi Electric air/air heatpump ("AC") is operating in its comfort zone01:07
SpeedEvil:)01:07
ShadowJKOn the downside, it demotivates inhabitants from using firewood01:08
ShadowJKSo I think this winter if it continues like this, will be net energy intensive01:09
SpeedEvilI just need to uncrate mine, drag it around to the back of the house, drill a couple of holes, feed the insulated pipes through, and connect up my vacuum pump - leave it to dry off the system, then valve it all off and turn it on.01:09
ShadowJKDrilling is a bitch01:09
ShadowJKstart with that01:09
*** cvp has quit IRC01:10
*** KaiRo_Mozilla has joined #jollamobile01:10
SpeedEvilNaah - I can go through a vent.01:12
*** KaIRC has quit IRC01:14
ShadowJKmine was installed by a pro, and it did take all morning :)01:14
SpeedEvilI've actually got most of the 'pro' tools now.01:14
ShadowJKAnd I even helped him by routing the power through the house and drilling holes and retainers for power myself  :)01:14
SpeedEvilWhich were considerably cheaper than getting a pro in.01:15
ShadowJKIts a tradeoff, I guess01:15
SpeedEvilPlus, I may want to re-site.01:16
ShadowJKfor me it was advantageous to pay the dude to get it done in 6h rather than doing it myself in god-knows how many hours01:16
SpeedEvilyeah.01:16
ShadowJKHe even did a aesthetic match with the building :)01:17
ShadowJKAnd apologized when he arrived "Yeah sorry, your house is painted with colour X, which is kinda weird rare and immensely popular at the same time as its manufactured from actual soil extracted in a specific location rather than a colour specification made by some big corp paint company, Im not sure hte outdoor unit cover will be okay since I had it painted with your region's earth pigments last night and they said it needs 2 days to set"01:21
SpeedEvil:)01:22
ShadowJKHis "cover" is kinda cute. From a normal person's height, it looks like a box. Lean down, and it looks very airy :))01:23
ShadowJKWe initially ordered the cover due to neighbour concerns01:25
ShadowJKWe had given advance notice to neighbour, that there would be apparatus which would make noise01:25
ShadowJKNeighbour happend to come over on the day that it was being installed01:26
ShadowJK"Oh, is that all the noise it makes?"01:26
*** dunp has quit IRC01:26
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC01:26
ShadowJK... "The vaccuum pump is just a tool, once instaled, the noise will be more broadband and less loud than this"01:27
SpeedEvilhah01:27
ShadowJK:)01:27
*** dunp has joined #jollamobile01:27
ShadowJKWhy are we in thsi channel01:27
ShadowJKI just noticed.01:27
*** ced117 has quit IRC01:28
* ShadowJK apologizes to the channel :<01:29
*** ericcc has joined #jollamobile01:31
SpeedEviloops01:32
SpeedEvilwell - I could cut out the back of the cherry OH and make a remote control panel out of it.01:32
*** planasb has quit IRC01:33
*** Andy80 has quit IRC01:33
ShadowJKWell - yes01:35
*** jubo2 has quit IRC01:36
ShadowJKyour unit does receive commands via IR01:36
ShadowJKIt's just a matter of finding the right IR modulation and the right codes01:36
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:36
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:36
ShadowJKAnd then setting up a local unit that will receive the remote commands of your jolla01:37
ShadowJKSo that your place will be comfortably warm when you arrive01:37
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:37
*** planasb has quit IRC01:37
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:37
ShadowJKand siberia when you are not present01:37
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:37
*** planasb has quit IRC01:38
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:38
*** planasb has quit IRC01:38
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:38
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:38
*** planasb has quit IRC01:38
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile01:38
*** Frye has quit IRC01:39
*** ced117_ has joined #jollamobile01:42
*** Frye has joined #jollamobile01:42
*** dunp has quit IRC01:47
*** dunp has joined #jollamobile01:47
*** mfulz has quit IRC01:48
*** jjarven has quit IRC01:49
*** planasb has quit IRC01:51
*** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile01:51
*** cb400f has quit IRC01:53
*** parasemic has quit IRC01:53
*** BeholdMyGlory has quit IRC01:56
*** jjarven has joined #jollamobile02:05
*** artemma has joined #jollamobile02:07
*** mindflash has quit IRC02:13
*** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC02:17
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile02:18
*** planasb has quit IRC02:18
*** planasb has joined #jollamobile02:18
*** s1gk1ll_ has joined #jollamobile02:28
*** furikku has joined #jollamobile02:29
*** s1gk1ll has quit IRC02:31
covoxcool, unity engine games work pretty well in android mode02:32
*** artemma has quit IRC02:35
*** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile02:36
*** Kabouik_ has quit IRC02:43
*** imunsie has joined #jollamobile03:06
*** imunsie has quit IRC03:11
*** VDVsx_ has joined #jollamobile03:22
*** VDVsx has quit IRC03:25
*** KaiRo_Mozilla has quit IRC03:58
*** the_mgt_ has joined #jollamobile04:13
*** the_mgt has quit IRC04:16
*** the_mgt_ is now known as the_mgt04:16
*** nander has joined #jollamobile04:50
nanderI think my phone got lost in the process at jolla04:50
nanderThere are 2 people with higher id's that have it shipped already04:51
nandermine is still in picking04:51
nanderHas been since early on wednesday04:51
nanderI think the process has stalled again04:51
*** nciked__ has quit IRC04:57
*** nciked__ has joined #jollamobile04:57
*** nciked__ has quit IRC05:01
*** dist has quit IRC05:01
*** Milo- has quit IRC05:01
*** Milo- has joined #jollamobile05:01
*** dist has joined #jollamobile05:07
*** smokex is now known as Andrew_Jackson05:19
*** Andrew_Jackson is now known as smokex05:20
*** nander has quit IRC05:21
*** amccarthy has quit IRC05:22
*** miksuh has quit IRC05:41
*** _al_ has joined #jollamobile06:02
*** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile06:28
*** triggerhappy has quit IRC06:31
*** dhbiker has quit IRC06:35
*** miksuh has joined #jollamobile06:40
*** nsuffys has joined #jollamobile07:00
FryeToo eary morning to everyone.07:07
DrainBamagedEary?07:09
CoderCandyHi!07:14
CoderCandyStill in picking :(07:15
CoderCandyMy guess is that I won't get it in time for Christmas Eve07:15
*** Natunen has joined #jollamobile07:27
*** AlmAck has joined #jollamobile07:30
*** msknight has joined #jollamobile07:34
msknightHi Folks,  Another one for the issues list!07:34
msknightAnyone dev here who can take it on board please?07:34
Stskeepsi'm having my coffee and looking like a zombie07:35
Stskeepsbut i can listen07:35
msknightIt is concerning the voicemail number.  When I tell the phone the telephone number for my voicemail service ... Jolla puts an entry in "People" for that number. However, I don't actually dial that number to access my voicemail ... I have to dial a different number.07:36
msknightSo my voicemail service is 447xxx xxxxxxx but I just dial 123.07:36
msknightHow many coffee's have you had this morning?07:36
Stskeepsnot enough07:36
msknightLOL!07:36
msknightTrue story. I can empathise.07:37
msknightI had to make do with an energy tablet and a SlimFast.07:37
Stskeepsmsknight: so voicemail would be on the SIM, typically, wouldn't it07:37
msknightI'm putting on too much weight .. and the Christmas eating fest is upon us.  There's a chocolate log in the cupboard and I've got to eat it all to myself.07:38
Stskeepsmsknight: have you seen it be anything else than 447xxx on other phones?07:38
msknightI think so ... but I'm not sure. The only thing I know at the moment is that the voicemail number I enter in the settings -> Apps -> Phone ... also appears in the "People"07:38
msknightOn the other phones, voicemail has been a "press and hold" on "1" and I've programmed that to 123 myself.07:39
* Stskeeps goes take a look07:39
msknightThe number behind the scenes for the phone to contact the provider for MWI, etc. is normally unseen by me and the provider sends SMS messages to set it up.07:39
*** fk_lx has joined #jollamobile07:39
Stskeepsah, provisioning and such..07:39
msknightIt doesn't help that Orange haven't got a clue about the Jolla ... but I'm keeping up the pressure :-)07:40
Stskeepsokay, so voicemail contact is definately seeded from the apps -> phone place07:41
msknightI'm going to have an argument with them about the 30 second divert this morning :-)07:41
Stskeepsdo i dare to ask if you have a background in GSM/3G technology, btw? :P07:42
msknightAt the moment, the only reason I know I have messages is because Orange also send an SMS.07:42
msknightNo. I background in data networking, and I got thrust as technical lead on a cloud SIP/VoIP telephony project, so I'm drowning/swimming/bobbing.07:42
Stskeepsah, that explains07:42
msknightYes... explains why I only have a little knowledge ... which makes me very dangerous :-D07:43
Stskeepsso i think atm we don't have mms provisioning where vendor sends configurations, so everything is seeded from SIM card07:43
msknightWhat might be handy is the ability to override from the users perspective, in that case?07:43
*** AL13N_lizzy has joined #jollamobile07:44
msknightThe main thing I'll be able to bring to the project is end-"power"-user experience.07:45
msknightThat's what I'm putting in my youtube videos, basically.07:45
AL13N_lizzyso, alot of cli commands then?07:45
msknightNope ... just heavy, heavy use!07:45
Stskeepsso, just to understand: the voice call number on your provider is also '123', and you'd like to set that as the voicecall contact07:45
FryeOh, did I write eary. It really IS too early for mee :D07:45
FryeI need more coffee07:46
msknightWow! Everyone's on a coffee trip ;-)07:46
*** petri has joined #jollamobile07:46
* AL13N_lizzy doesn't drink coffee07:46
*** Tujutzki has quit IRC07:46
msknightWell, my concern is this ... the phone needs the 447xxxxxx number to talk with the service provider to get stuff like MWI ... but when I need to place a call to get my voicemail, I have to dial 12307:46
AL13N_lizzyit should be clear that i'm not finnish :-)07:47
msknightMy concern is that if Sailfish uses the number in apps -> Phone  for MWI, etc. ... and that is also the number that seeds to the "people" ... then I've got a bit of a problem ... one of them is going to be out of whack!07:47
PnuuI am, but I've never tasted coffee07:47
msknightDon't worry AL13N_lizzy  ... neither is the Jolla ... Finnish-ed, that is  :-)07:48
AL13N_lizzylame07:48
msknightI know ... but it isn't 8am yet07:48
AL13N_lizzyit's not 9am here07:48
msknightand I have to wean myself off coffee again.07:48
CoderCandymsknight, it is! It's 08:48 AM!07:48
msknightNot here is ins't CoderCandy !07:48
msknight"isn't" even.07:49
CoderCandyWell, what are you doing in the past then?07:49
AL13N_lizzytimezones and DST should be abolished07:49
msknightI'm always behind.07:49
* msknight looks to her rear07:49
AL13N_lizzythat sentence could really be misinterpreted07:50
FryeI must be in front then.07:50
Frye9:50 here07:50
msknightThat was entirely the point :-D07:50
FryeAnyway I'm still not awake. Only up.07:50
AL13N_lizzyFrye: you just didn't sync07:50
msknightAnd you still need coffee!  Shame Froberg07:50
msknightShame Frye07:50
msknight(apologise Froberg )07:50
AL13N_lizzyanyhow, at least i got to order07:50
* msknight curses autocomplete07:50
*** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC07:51
AL13N_lizzyi wonder how many people started ordering since it opened07:51
FryeAutoincomplete.07:51
AL13N_lizzyi got a feeling it's huge07:51
FryeAnd autoincorrect.07:51
FryeTwo so nice features.07:51
msknight(apoloGIES Froberg - my apologies, that is)07:51
AL13N_lizzyFrye: that's what i was gonna say....07:51
msknightorder what ... since what opened?  Starbucks?07:51
* AL13N_lizzy looks distinctly at channel name to make a point07:52
AL13N_lizzysome of us are speaking on topic :-)07:52
msknightOh!  It's open to the general public now! Cool.07:52
msknightI have many topics ... just don't ask me which one I'm speaking about at any one time.07:52
msknightThe last one to my memory was coffee :-)07:52
AL13N_lizzyand that's gonna stay until you get some07:53
msknightNow THAT can be taken more than one way!07:53
Stskeepsmsknight: that does sound like a reasonable assumption that it may cause problems. so, my challenge right now is that our telephony team is on xmas vacation so i can't really query into those bits07:53
AL13N_lizzycoffee that is...07:53
msknightNo problem Stskeeps - so long as it is on the radar.07:53
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: any idea if that kind of stuff is configured in some text file?07:54
AL13N_lizzyfor cli adjustment?07:54
* msknight is trying to keep away from text file adjustment so that she can report on the non-techie customer side of things.07:54
AL13N_lizzythis is for me :-)07:54
petrihi, does anybody know  is it possible to do something similar to: "apt-get source -b somesoftware" on Sailfish?07:55
AL13N_lizzywell, for something for the next 4w :-S07:55
AL13N_lizzypetri: yes07:55
AL13N_lizzyoh wait, source07:55
AL13N_lizzyno07:55
Stskeepspetri: it's not, but what particular component are you interested in?07:55
AL13N_lizzythere are no source repositories listed, plus packages are submitted binary07:55
msknightRight - I have shopping to buy and a mobile phone carrier to have an argument with.  See you later!07:55
petrioh..07:55
AL13N_lizzyapps are submitted binary07:56
*** msknight has quit IRC07:56
AL13N_lizzybut, mer/nemo is opensource07:56
AL13N_lizzypetri: as Stskeeps said, what are you interested in07:56
petriI was interested in patching some software and recompiling the easy way..07:56
AL13N_lizzysailfishOS is only the very top level UI07:57
Stskeepspetri: there's no such thing as recompiling in an easy manner in a mobile OS ;) you have a lot of build dependencies too07:57
AL13N_lizzyso, anything but that is pretty much opensource and you can rebuild it (except apps)07:57
petri..let's say I would like to improve the web browser07:57
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: doesn't mer have SRPMS ?07:57
petrihow could I do that07:57
petri?07:58
AL13N_lizzypetri: default web browser is a jolla app, iinm not open-source, so that's not possible atm07:58
AL13N_lizzyimho07:58
petriok07:58
Stskeepsso, just to understand how situation is at the moment: sailfish os image = sailfish ui (closed source, currently, may change in future) + nemo middleware (oss) + mer core (oss) + a hardware adaptation (typically closed source on most devices)07:58
Stskeepsso a vast majority of code is open source07:58
AL13N_lizzyquite some apps are open source too07:58
AL13N_lizzybut there are some jolla apps07:59
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: do you guys rebuild mer and have srpms/spec files for that? or does mer has it's own srpms? what about nemo?07:59
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: srpms aren't a particularly good format for rebuilding in OBS form08:00
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: how do you figure?08:00
*** MFaro-Tusino has joined #jollamobile08:00
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: i'm a mageia contributor, we also have srpms and spec files08:00
AL13N_lizzyrpm --rebuild (on a jolla dev) should work, right?08:00
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: been there, done that. in practice, it might not even live up to gpl requirements, because our source material is a git repo and a tag08:01
Stskeepsthat gets turned into a spec, tarball, etc08:01
AL13N_lizzyah, ok08:01
AL13N_lizzyyou have specific patched versions to keep everything working08:01
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: i would like those git repositories be openened, (the ones that have no closed source components; and are from mer/nemo)08:01
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: we pretty much use them 1:108:02
AL13N_lizzythat would help collaboration too08:02
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: if somebody requests a source code DVD, they get files telling the exact sha's used08:02
Stskeepspetri: http://gitweb.merproject.org http://github.com/nemomobile http://github.com/nemomobile-packages08:02
Stskeeps(not extensive list)08:03
AL13N_lizzywhich points to a specific commit/tag to use08:03
AL13N_lizzyok, i get it08:03
Stskeepsforking is expensive08:03
Stskeeps:P08:03
AL13N_lizzydon't i know it08:03
AL13N_lizzy:-)08:03
*** jreznik_ has joined #jollamobile08:04
AL13N_lizzyback when Mageia forked from Mandriva, we gave a presentation on "why NOT to fork"08:04
petriStskeeps: thanks08:05
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: still, for co-collaboration, it would be nice if we had access to the tools and ways of building packages (only the open source stuff of course), so that we can build in the same manner as you guys do08:05
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: you do08:06
Stskeeps:P08:06
Stskeepsbuild.merproject.org has sailfish targets08:06
AL13N_lizzyon their obs?08:06
AL13N_lizzyok08:06
Stskeepsand mer platform sb2 exists08:06
AL13N_lizzywhat about nemo? it uses the mer OBS too?08:07
Stskeepsit does08:07
AL13N_lizzyok, that makes sense08:07
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: do you guys have a git of all packages in all tagged versions?08:08
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: it's a bit more abstract than that08:08
Stskeepsbut all tags are in a git repo08:08
AL13N_lizzyso, you git clone specific tags from the upstream ones?08:09
Stskeepsnod08:09
*** ikarus has quit IRC08:09
Stskeepswell, from our packaging repos, to be exact08:09
Stskeepsnemo uses same method08:09
AL13N_lizzyok, but what i mean is, how are you tracking what packages versions where in what versions of sailfishOS?08:10
AL13N_lizzyalso via git?08:10
AL13N_lizzyor?08:10
Stskeepsobs projects, but it' a bit abstract :)08:10
AL13N_lizzynot something we should poke in then?08:11
Stskeepsit is a bit of a theoretical excersise :P08:11
AL13N_lizzyheh08:11
Stskeepsbut you can see how it's done in nemo's projects08:12
Stskeepsin practice, if you want to contribute to sailfish's middleware and core, you contribute to mer/nemo08:12
AL13N_lizzyyes08:12
Stskeepsand it'll make it's way in eventually08:12
AL13N_lizzyah, so you mean that if people want to test rebuild for themselves they should base on nemo and not on sailfishos08:12
*** ikarus has joined #jollamobile08:13
AL13N_lizzysince it's practically the same thing08:14
Stskeepsexperiments are certainly easier on nemo, but small patching needs to build against the right targets08:15
AL13N_lizzythe only thing is that you likely don't have the latest versions, so to know what versions are used is the operative thing here... though the version of the package might be sufficient08:15
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: yes08:15
petriso assuming I want to recompile && install connman on my Jolla, I should follow this guide: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial ?08:15
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: this is really the usecase, to be able to add a small patch, rebuild and test locally08:15
AL13N_lizzythough i assume most people would want to try the latest version instead :-)08:16
Stskeepspetri: in practice i'd suggest setting up sailfish sdk and use the build vm, it makes sure you have a local thing for building stuff with right targets08:16
Stskeepsetc08:16
Stskeepsi need go for a while, have a 6 month old kiddo pulling my arm08:16
petriok :)08:17
AL13N_lizzyhehe08:18
AL13N_lizzythat's quite the feat08:18
AL13N_lizzy6months old and already pulling arms08:18
AL13N_lizzy:-)08:18
AL13N_lizzymine are 2 and 408:21
AL13N_lizzyi'm also watching them08:21
*** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile08:25
*** AmAH has joined #jollamobile08:27
Trizthow do you get rid of the download icons on the home screen?08:28
Stskeepstap/hold+delete?08:28
*** AmAH_ has quit IRC08:30
*** miksuh has quit IRC08:37
petrithe reason why I would be interested in modifying connman is that it seems that turning on wifi (with no wifi networks nearby) from the Jolla settings increases the power consumption in the idle mode about 25%08:40
Trizttap/hold don't seem to do anything at all, how long are you supposed to hold, more than a minute?08:40
* Trizt will be away for some hours08:41
petriI don't know is connman the right place to see in order to fix this..only my first guess08:41
petriit might be that connman periodically scans for wlans even when the phone is at sleep?08:42
*** ced117_ is now known as ced11708:43
*** ced117 has joined #jollamobile08:43
tobiskiare the ogg files stored at /opt/alien/system/media/audio/ the ones that system uses? eg. low battery sound?08:43
*** ced117 has left #jollamobile08:44
*** ced117 has joined #jollamobile08:44
petrithe increase is from 27 mW to 40 mW..small absolute numbers, but it is a big percentage08:44
AL13N_lizzymaybe it's like this, if a AP is far away, more power is probably used, so if there is none, the most power is used? perhaps if there are none, the power should be decreased and only increased if the people go to the wifi page or if they turn off and back on again08:54
AL13N_lizzythat might reduce power usage08:55
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: Aard: ^^08:55
AL13N_lizzyok, gtg08:55
*** AL13N_lizzy has quit IRC08:56
*** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile08:59
petriI would suspect that the device is periodically scanning for wlans because we could see clear spikes in the power consumption in the Monsoon power meter output09:00
tilland does it need to transmit at all for scanning?09:10
petri..of course this is more like a feature and not a bug09:12
petribut personally I would like the scanning to stop whenever the prone goes to sleep09:13
petriphone09:13
Stskeepspetri: can you try to verify if it's actually in full suspend through dmesg?09:13
*** eijk_ has joined #jollamobile09:15
*** cb400f has joined #jollamobile09:15
*** cb400f has joined #jollamobile09:15
petridon't have the monsoon around now during the holidays..but maybe I can try to check the dmesg blindly and assume the phone goes to same power state as during the measurements :)09:16
Stskeepsnod09:17
petrifor samsung gs4 the corresponding values were 29.5 mW (wifi off)and 34 mW (wifi on)09:17
petriso the increase on jolla is a bit higher09:18
*** weeezes_ has joined #jollamobile09:22
Stskeepspetri: how did you measure, out of curiousity?09:22
*** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe09:23
petriStskeeps: using the monsoon http://www.msoon.com/LabEquipment/PowerMonitor/09:24
Stskeepspetri: ah09:24
Stskeepsi'm a bit surprised scanning is happening, because, connman should be quite dead in that state09:24
*** Pat_o has quit IRC09:25
*** weeezes has quit IRC09:25
petriof course the measurement should be repeated with other devices09:26
petribut this one was quite clean09:26
petrinothing special installed etc..09:26
Stskeeps:nod:09:27
petri..we'll get back to this after the holidays09:28
Stskeepsmakes sense, not much i can do right this minute anyway09:28
*** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile09:29
*** NIN101 has quit IRC09:29
*** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile09:30
petri..we are doing this at University of Helsinki, in case you wonder why we have this kind of measurement hw09:31
*** ericcc has quit IRC09:31
*** friese has joined #jollamobile09:33
*** spider-mario has joined #jollamobile09:38
*** Venemo_N9 has joined #jollamobile09:38
Venemo_N9hey09:38
Venemo_N9how long is my package supposed to be in picking?09:39
StskeepsVenemo_N9: i'm at 3555 and mine got tendered to fedex yesterday09:39
Venemo_N9Stskeeps, so can I assume they'll send it on monday?09:40
*** jreznik_ has quit IRC09:41
*** jreznik_ has joined #jollamobile09:42
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile09:45
*** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away09:48
*** Matoking has joined #jollamobile09:50
MatokingHey09:50
MatokingAnyone else who has stuck pixels?09:51
StskeepsMatoking: dead pixels, and how many?09:51
MatokingThree at one point, two now09:51
Stskeepshmm09:51
MatokingOne appears to be a shade of blue, other seems to be white09:51
StskeepsMatoking: if you have something like that it's probably worth taking some photos / pointers and send to care@, but dead pixels of very small amount is sadly typical on some lcds09:52
MatokingIt's bearable and since they are stuck pixels instead of dead ones they may disappear over time09:52
MatokingAnd the blue one isn't that visible most of the time09:53
MatokingWait09:53
MatokingThe white one seems to disappear in certain situations09:54
MatokingWhen I swipe from the top09:54
MatokingAnd the screen starts to go black, it appears at one point09:54
*** starkers has quit IRC09:54
*** cb400f has quit IRC09:54
*** starkers has joined #jollamobile09:54
*** cb400f has joined #jollamobile09:55
MatokingBut yeah, it's not too bad09:55
MatokingI just hope it doesn't get any worse09:55
*** Pat_o has quit IRC09:57
*** SfietKonstantin has joined #jollamobile09:58
*** Venemo_N9 has quit IRC09:59
*** eddyluv1 has joined #jollamobile10:00
*** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe10:02
*** xmlich02 has joined #jollamobile10:06
*** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile10:08
Andy80'morning10:08
peakkihi10:09
Andy80a newbie question: in Contacts (People), when you edit a contact... how do you change a phone number? I can't find a way to edit or delete a single phone number :\10:09
TofeAndy80: just click on the phone number ?10:10
Andy80Tofe, it doesn't do anything10:11
Tofeand if I remember well long press should bring you a menu10:11
*** AL13N_lizzy has joined #jollamobile10:11
Tofe(don't have the phone by my side right now)10:11
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile10:12
*** c0ck4m0u53 has joined #jollamobile10:12
AJAX555just click on contact name, them pull down and select edit?10:12
*** tetris4_ has joined #jollamobile10:12
Andy80it doesn't work10:12
Andy80I'm in the edit mode10:13
AJAX555oh?10:13
Andy80I just can modify the name10:13
*** tetris4 has quit IRC10:13
Andy80not the number10:13
Andy80and even long pressing the number doesn't do anything10:13
AJAX555so, are you in a view where you can call and send messages?10:14
AJAX555and where it shows number10:14
*** petri has quit IRC10:14
TofeNota Bene for Jolla: a small user documentation about the basic usage of the phone (contacts, sms, calls, gallery, photo) would be a nice thing to have10:15
Andy80no10:15
StskeepsTofe: did you see our instruction videos?10:15
Tofeweeeeeeell10:15
Tofeno :)10:15
StskeepsTofe: http://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos and http://jolla.com/guide/10:15
AJAX555odd, because I can edit it..10:15
Andy80AJAX555, once in that view, I pull down the menu and I select "Edit", Then in the next screen I can only modify the name, add a number, but NOT modify an existing number10:15
*** datakurre has left #jollamobile10:16
TofeStskeeps: ok, my fault :) But then maybe it would be a good idea to put some of them in the phone ? The user could delete it if he doesn't want them anymore10:16
AJAX555I wonder if developer mode can block it..10:16
StskeepsTofe: they came a bit later than the system image, yeah10:17
Andy80AJAX555, you have dev mode enabled?10:17
AJAX555no, I dont10:17
Tofesmokex: you see, there some users that still didn't enable that mode ! :p10:18
*** _Wishmaster has quit IRC10:19
Andy80it looks like a bug then10:19
AL13N_lizzyon ebay, 2 jolla's are now on $610 == €44610:20
AL13N_lizzythe other one is still at 0 bids/$50010:20
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: for new users these videos/guide link is more important than existing users, perhaps update could adjust the wizard? allthough the image is likely still the old one10:24
AL13N_lizzyperhaps after update an additional wizard? but i'm not too certain if people would actually want that10:26
AL13N_lizzymaybe just an extra link to guides or something could happen...10:27
AL13N_lizzylike, as an app, or something10:27
AL13N_lizzyand also the videos10:27
AL13N_lizzyoh well10:27
*** Pat_o has quit IRC10:32
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile10:34
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile10:37
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile10:37
*** blam_ has joined #jollamobile10:41
*** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away10:50
*** jubo2 has joined #jollamobile10:52
c0ck4m0u53Hey everyone:) Is there a way to get virtual keyboard in landscape mode i.e. when writing a text message?10:52
peakkinoup, not yet10:52
*** joered has joined #jollamobile10:53
c0ck4m0u53bummer:( Its kinda time consumming typing with keyboard in portrait10:53
valdur55is keyboard in portatit mode and window is landscape?10:53
c0ck4m0u53even the window doesnt shift10:54
valdur55But what about Wifi password dialog?10:56
*** jubo2 has quit IRC10:57
*** jubo2 has joined #jollamobile10:57
*** Venemo has joined #jollamobile11:00
*** itbaron has joined #jollamobile11:00
*** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe11:03
peakkiVenemo:  what about wifi?11:05
Venemopeakki: what wifi?11:06
*** miksuh has joined #jollamobile11:07
peakkiVenemo:  sorry, wrong person11:11
peakkivaldur55:  what about wifi?11:11
Venemoah, ok11:11
valdur55Dialog, where you type wifi password.11:11
peakkivaldur55:  it is only in portrait. checked that11:12
valdur55Sure?  That is interesting.11:14
Venemobtw, fedex sux11:16
*** Pat_o has quit IRC11:16
*** tetris4_ is now known as tetris411:16
valdur55Is there any landscape apps?11:17
*** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC11:17
valdur55What about fingerterm?11:17
*** AL13N_lizzy has quit IRC11:18
Venemovaldur55: my app is landscape11:18
*** NIN101 has quit IRC11:19
*** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile11:20
*** blam_ has quit IRC11:22
*** blam_ has joined #jollamobile11:22
valdur55Venemo: does i use rotation?11:22
Venemovaldur55: no, it's fixed at landscape11:23
*** patinux has quit IRC11:24
valdur55ok.  is fingerterm rotation forking?11:24
valdur55(terminal app)11:24
kontioyes it is11:25
*** patinux has joined #jollamobile11:26
valdur55ok. :)11:26
*** blam_ has quit IRC11:27
*** matt_1979 has joined #jollamobile11:30
*** SfietKonstantin has joined #jollamobile11:33
*** jjarven has quit IRC11:34
*** mfulz has joined #jollamobile11:38
Triztcan't get rid of "android app" notifications icons and maximum volume sees to be too low when out in a x-mas shopping to hear that someone is calling11:39
Venemofedex website says my package was picked up yesterday, and yet, they estimate it to arrive on 30th december.11:40
Venemohow awful is that11:40
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile11:40
*** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC11:43
*** eddyluv1 has quit IRC11:45
*** edgar2 has joined #jollamobile11:46
Triztyeah, I feel for your11:52
*** BeholdMyGlory has joined #jollamobile11:53
*** jjarven has joined #jollamobile11:53
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC11:54
VenemoI don't understand how they can call this priority shipping11:55
SpeedEvilVenemo: I feel your pain.11:58
* SpeedEvil plays with his phone.11:58
Andy80you know what could be useful in Messages? A countdown 160-->0 or simply a char counter when you're sending SMS12:00
Andy80not a big problem for me because I've unlimited texts, but some countries still pay 15 cent / sms12:01
Andy80and if you don't notice you wrote 161 chars for example, you pay 30 cent for the sms etc..12:01
Andy80Venemo, they call 10 days priority?! ouch...12:02
*** anonfriese has joined #jollamobile12:03
TriztHow do you remove a android download notification icon from the home screen?12:04
*** friese has quit IRC12:06
VDVsx_special, ^12:09
VDVsx_Trizt, does not go away with clean notifications ?12:10
Trizthow do you do that?12:10
VDVsx_Trizt, via the pulley menu in the events view, swipe from the bottom edge of the screen to activate events view12:11
VDVsx_then there you have clear notifications in the pulley menu12:11
VDVsx_Trizt, in case you didn't find it, here is a video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLOQTO8Q4Os&feature=c4-overview&list=UUgK45xp5j9vJMJ3odffESjA12:13
Triztthanks, that worked12:14
Triztbut skyoe tells me it's offline12:14
Triztskyoe = skype12:15
Triztanyone one got skype from maemo to work on jolla?12:15
*** xmlich02 has quit IRC12:15
*** jmlich has joined #jollamobile12:18
*** petri has joined #jollamobile12:18
Triztand I hate that the myriad alien includes all android apps running, so clicking back on one app till it's exited, it kills the whole myriad app and those killing all the other android apps :(12:20
*** eijk_ has quit IRC12:22
*** petri has joined #jollamobile12:22
Matoking@Trizt The way I'd like to see it is that the currently running Android app has its content displayed on the cover, whereas other Android apps that are open have their application icon visible on the cover12:24
MatokingThen again I have no idea how Myriad Alien works :P12:24
*** petri has quit IRC12:25
TriztI wish each android app was run as it's own thread, killing one wouldn't kill another and it should be possible to run them in background too12:25
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile12:26
*** avey has joined #jollamobile12:26
TriztOh, yesterday I synced over my contacts and calendar from the n900, now all entries begins 23:00 and end 01:00 next day, say someone has their birthday today, then it marks today and tomorrow as the persons birthday and no visible way to fix it12:27
Triztand the ambient thing, dark red with black font, not a good combination.12:28
VenemoAndy80: I'm not sure how dare they call it priority12:28
Triztshould be possible to adjust things manually12:28
Venemoin any way, do you think it's any use to call fedex on the phone and shout at them?12:29
*** ortylp has joined #jollamobile12:30
TriztVenemo: they prioritize their x-mas holiday, that's how it's priority. I had kind of the same problem with my N900 promised to be delivered before x-mas too, but UPS in sweden don't work on x-mas eve and the danish UPS don't drive over to sweden, so was stuck and had to wait till after new year12:31
Andy80Venemo, I don't know.... anyway they also did something wrong to me with this shipment. Even if I specified my full name (including the company name like (Company)  ) they delivered the package using only the company name on the label. So when I received the package nobody told me and I had to ask to other colleagues if FedEx dlivered something.12:31
TriztVenemo: won't change the fact, but you may feel better after screamed at the for a while12:31
Venemo:D12:31
Venemowell, maybe I can pick it up in person in Budapest instead of waiting for them to deliver it to my home village12:32
TriztAndy80: you had honest colleagues or one of them have a Jolla ? ;)12:32
TriztVenemo: maybe, if the staff who answers the phone can contact the staff working with deliveries12:33
*** petri has joined #jollamobile12:33
* Trizt away12:33
Andy80Trizt, I was the only one waiting a pckage from Vantaa (FI), I had the delivered email notification and (most sad part) none of my colleagues cares about Jolla.12:33
*** petri has quit IRC12:35
Andy80Venemo, if I could be in Budapest, probably Jolla would be the last of my thoughts :D12:35
VenemoAndy80: what do you mean?12:35
VenemoAndy80: I actually live here :P12:36
Andy80Venemo, more interesting things :D (aka = cheap beer :P )12:36
Venemoyes, there's plenty of that!12:36
Andy80(I don't want to sound too OT :D )12:36
*** petri has joined #jollamobile12:36
VenemoI don't think anyone (especially the Finns) would regard cheep beer as OT12:36
*** petri has quit IRC12:36
Venemos/cheep/cheap12:36
*** Venemo has quit IRC12:40
Pnuummm, beer12:40
hene-quick question about n9: what is the best way to empty/clear phone for selling? just factory resetting?12:42
*** Kabouik has joined #jollamobile12:43
hene-ah, there is "Empty device" option :)12:45
Jopeor use the flasher and --erase-user-data=secure when flashing12:51
hene-yep, just found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8269312:51
Jopek12:52
hene-but this phone is going to my brother so I think "Empty device" is enough :)12:52
Jopeprolly yes12:52
Jopeit really takes a lng time too12:53
hene-okey :)12:57
hene-sad too se N9 go.. but12:57
*** zhxt has joined #jollamobile12:58
AJAX555never had n9, but I bet it would have been awesome13:00
Jopeit was13:00
Jopebut time kept on going and te n9 stopped advancing13:01
*** avey has quit IRC13:09
*** avey has joined #jollamobile13:10
KondouCan one run multiple android apps at the same time with sailfish's compatibility layer? I've been tinkering around a bit and can't anymore, not sure wether I could before.13:11
peakkihene-:  the N9 is awesome. too bad that jolla isn't ready enough out of the box13:12
*** dunp has quit IRC13:15
*** dunp has joined #jollamobile13:16
RaimKondou: they keep running but do not get their own cover on the home screen13:17
KondouRaim: ah, thanks13:19
*** Pat_o has quit IRC13:21
*** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile13:22
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile13:23
*** anonfriese_ has joined #jollamobile13:27
*** anonfriese has quit IRC13:30
*** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away13:35
*** avey has quit IRC13:35
*** KaIRC has joined #jollamobile13:38
spider-marioMatoking : have you tried playing one of those videos that stimulate pixels?13:39
mfulzanyone managed some tweaks on jolla mobile to increase battery time?13:40
mfulzAre there any plans for that?13:40
Matoking@spider-mario I've played Super Hexagon13:40
spider-mario:D13:40
*** peakki_ has joined #jollamobile13:40
MatokingCan be bought from Humble Store if anyone's asking13:41
MatokingThey have an Android app that allows you to download and install the games you bought, so you don't need Google Play13:41
Pnuumfulz: there are updates coming from jolla regarding power saving13:41
mfulzany approx timeline about that?13:42
Pnuuhaven't heard13:42
mfulzthis is really the only real showstopper for me - it's not even managing a whole day :-/13:42
Pnuumy understanding is, that there's virtually no power saving features now13:43
*** peakki has quit IRC13:43
mfulzah great there is a high possibility to get it heavily increased :D13:44
*** biertie has joined #jollamobile13:45
biertieHello, I have a small problem with my jolla phone: the on screen keyboard appears without an obvious reason in the browser, and the settings menu13:46
*** zhxt_ has joined #jollamobile13:46
biertieand I can't find how to minimize the keyboard again :>13:46
biertiewhich pretty much means I can't do a thing, cause the menu options are beneath the keyboard13:46
*** peakki has joined #jollamobile13:47
*** zhxt has quit IRC13:47
mfulzif I have it open somewhere I just need to tap in the window to get it closed13:49
mfulzof course not into some input field :)13:49
*** peakki_ has quit IRC13:50
biertiemfulz: that doesn't really seem to work :(13:50
biertieI guess I'll have to reboot.13:51
biertieand try to find out what triggers this behaviour so I can make a bug report13:51
*** biertie has quit IRC13:52
*** biertie has joined #jollamobile13:52
*** Morphy has joined #jollamobile14:02
Quubiertie: "swipe" down from the keyboard14:08
Quuit minimizes it14:08
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC14:10
*** nander has joined #jollamobile14:11
nanderHi14:11
nanderstill just in picking..14:12
*** Venemo has joined #jollamobile14:13
*** pvanhoof has joined #jollamobile14:14
*** edgar2 has quit IRC14:16
*** MSameer has quit IRC14:23
*** MSameer has joined #jollamobile14:23
*** artemma has joined #jollamobile14:25
*** eijk_ has joined #jollamobile14:26
*** BeholdMyGlory has quit IRC14:41
*** ortylp has quit IRC14:42
*** BeholdMyGlory has joined #jollamobile14:42
*** nander has quit IRC14:46
*** lbt has quit IRC14:47
*** xcv_ has joined #jollamobile14:48
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile14:49
*** lbt has quit IRC14:49
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile14:49
*** zhxt__ has joined #jollamobile14:51
*** zhxt_ has quit IRC14:53
*** vladest has quit IRC14:53
*** nsuffys has quit IRC14:53
*** Morpog_PC has joined #jollamobile14:55
*** pvilja has quit IRC14:55
*** tetris4 has quit IRC14:59
*** biertie has quit IRC15:01
*** biertie has joined #jollamobile15:01
*** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile15:01
*** zhxt__ has quit IRC15:02
spider-mariothose who have received their phone: for how long was your order status “in picking”?15:08
*** tetris4 has quit IRC15:09
SpeedEvilspider-mario: I don't know, as I diddn't bother to check.15:09
Stskeepsspider-mario: if you're in non-FI, you might want to check the fedex reference number search15:09
*** disharmonic has joined #jollamobile15:09
mfulzspider-mario: It was ordered and then I just recieved the mail about that the issues with delivering - I asked then at care about timelines and if I could expect the phone still in december15:10
mfulzAn hour later they just sent it over :)15:10
mfulztook one day from finnland to germany15:10
mfulzthe exclusive other half is still not shipped till now15:10
*** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile15:11
Venemomfulz: at least in your case fedex priority shipping is priority shipping. for me they estimate the delivery by 30th15:14
mfulzah ok15:14
mfulzyep for me it was priority15:14
mfulzand really fast - was totally suprised about it15:14
spider-marioVenemo : at least you have an estimate15:15
Venemowell, this is priority too - at least they say this on their website15:17
*** dontseethepoint has joined #jollamobile15:23
Morpog_PClost my Jolla yesterday on a Party....15:23
VenemoMorpog_PC: srsly?15:24
SpeedEvilMorpog_PC: ow15:24
Morpog_PCwas totally sad whole day, till a few minutes ago a friend of me called me, that he found it there but couldn't find me anymore :D15:24
SpeedEvilMorpog_PC: woo15:24
Morpog_PCso lucky :D15:24
Morpog_PCnow waiting for the friend who brings it to me when he picks up his car :)15:25
Morpog_PCHopefully it has no scratches....15:25
dontseethepointsrsly? 399e for adreno 305? i don't see the point. since its all linux and open source. would be trivial for someone to get it running on n5 which is adreno 330 for the same price15:27
ibinsThe car or the phone? Must have been a hell of a party then :-)15:28
xcv_hi everybody15:29
Pnuudontseethepoint: chop chop, on with it then ;-)15:29
xcv_I have some questions about how close the Jolla is going to be to a laptop with a common desktop distro15:29
xcv_this is the appropriate channel, right?15:29
Stskeepsdontseethepoint: you're free to have your opinions - see it the other way, you're helping finance alternatives to android. but, you're likely not going to be convinced anyhow, so not going to try to sell15:29
dontseethepointPnuu: i don't want to, crap build quality15:29
Stskeepsxcv_: yes - it's a gnu basesystem but it doesn't share same large package repositories15:30
dontseethepointand crap battery life15:30
xcv_I've been waiting for a phone I can update with zypper dup and install "apps" with rpm -i15:30
Stskeepsxcv_: it has systemd, qt5, wayland, rpm15:30
xcv_I don't really like appstores trying to sell everything to me15:30
Stskeepsxcv_: you're in luck then, but dup doesn't always do what you want15:30
Stskeeps:P15:30
xcv_I'm really happy with common repos15:30
xcv_yeah, I live to the max :P15:31
dontseethepointStskeeps: also i hate android, so i'd never finance it15:31
xcv_is it possible to get root access OOTB, zypper in git/ssh/rsync and play around with my server for example?15:31
dontseethepointbut seriously.. this isn't about financing ... adreno 305 == 399e... madness15:31
Stskeepsxcv_: git is preinstalled, ssh/rsync comes with developer mode15:31
Stskeepsdontseethepoint: i think you're probably barking up the wrong tree15:32
dontseethepointok15:32
xcv_is developer mode easy to enable? root access ootb?15:32
xcv_Stskeeps: forgot to quote, I'm not used to IRC15:32
Pnuuxcv_: yes15:32
Stskeepsxcv_: click, that it may void your warranty, full root access15:32
Stskeeps(note the 'may')15:32
xcv_wonderful15:32
xcv_this is one of the reasons why I still don't have an smartphone15:33
xcv_everybody locks them down terribly15:33
xcv_are configurations in dotfiles as well?15:33
Stskeepsmostly, some gconf15:34
Stskeepsxcv_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 for details on boot process etc15:34
xcv_Stskeeps: wow, this is is going to be a good chrismas buy then15:35
*** dontseethepoint has left #jollamobile15:36
xcv_Stskeeps: just one last question and I'm done: what exactly is non-free software in the default bundle and is it possible to change?15:36
Stskeepsxcv_: sailfishos image is composed of: sailfishos UI (closed source at the moment), nemo middleware (open source), mer core (open source), hardware adaptation (closed source). if you want to opt for replacing all the sailfishos apps or ui with something else you can, at potential loss of functionality15:37
tevefingerterm hangs quite often when i open links from url grabber, known bug?15:38
Stskeepshardware adaptation is just generally a murky area and i would recommend supporting free software in a different part, to improve the OSS offering on a stable hw adaptation15:38
xcv_Stskeeps: yes, hardware is a bad zone nowadays15:39
xcv_Stskeeps: thank you for your patience, I'll probably buy one in few days15:40
Stskeepser, and one more bit: android compatibility and exchange support is closed source15:40
Stskeepsi should really make a graph of this stuff at some point15:40
*** vladest has joined #jollamobile15:41
*** master_o1_master has joined #jollamobile15:42
xcv_Stskeeps: no problem, I don't mind about android applications so far15:43
*** master_of_master has quit IRC15:45
*** NIN101 has quit IRC15:52
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC15:54
*** Pat_o has quit IRC15:54
Turskiteve: fingerterm is from nemomobile project, you can report bugs there15:55
Turskihttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=fingerterm15:55
*** ewalker has joined #jollamobile15:56
Turski(or you can fix it and push the patch)16:00
Yanielis there a way to tell sailfish to ignore the .12 -> .10 update16:04
*** ewalker has quit IRC16:04
Yanielit does not even seem to want to refresh16:04
*** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile16:05
artemmahas anybody tried fetching from post office in Finland instead of home delivery?16:05
artemmajust got "shipped" message and posti.fi page tells  "item is ready for pickup"16:05
Turskiartemma: ?16:06
Turskiartemma: isn't that how they deliver it?16:06
artemmauhm.. message tells "home delivery"16:06
Turskiah... well that apparently is not home delivery16:06
artemmaand I think I remember "courier something" being mentioned.. or maybe it was for international..16:07
artemmaare there people who received phone in finland?16:07
artemmahow did it go?16:07
fluxI don't know of people who would have received it as home delivery at Finland16:07
artemmawith visits to post office?16:07
Yanielartemma: I picked it up at the post office16:07
fluxI visited the PO16:07
Turskii think FedEx uses itella for final delivery in finland16:07
*** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile16:08
Turskino idea where's the warehouse of Jolla16:08
artemmaokay, thx, then flashlight app tuning for daylight might start tomorrow :)16:08
fluxI think Jolla does not have a warehouse16:09
artemmamaybe it's time to start search for instructions for deploying to device from Qt Creator :)16:09
*** miksuh has quit IRC16:09
*** ortylp has joined #jollamobile16:10
Turskiartemma: i think it's quite well explained in the SDK16:11
Turskijust been too lazy to start my own experimenting with SDK...16:11
artemmagood. I wasn't really reading that yet, just remember some threads in mailing list requesting help16:11
xcv_is it possible to order extra batteries with the jolla?16:13
Morpog_PCYAY, got my Jolla in my hands again :D Not a single scratch, phew16:19
SpeedEvil:)16:19
SpeedEvilMorpog_PC: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Magic-Phone-Finder/380758166805?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Kitchen_Steamers_Cookers_PP&var=&hash=item58a6f48d1516:22
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile16:22
Morpog_PClol SpeedEvil16:24
*** AlmAck has quit IRC16:26
*** AlmAck has joined #jollamobile16:26
Yanielso... the phantom update?16:27
Yanielanything to do about that yet?16:27
CoderCandyYE<there were a shitload of "E"s here which I removed in order to not spam>S!16:28
CoderCandyMY JOLLA IS SHIPPED!16:28
CoderCandyapparently it shipped yesterday, around 11:22 PM16:30
CoderCandyLocaltime16:30
Morpog_PCYaniel, no phantom update here16:31
Yaniel.12 -> .1016:32
*** qqK has joined #jollamobile16:32
Morpog_PCnope16:32
PnuuYaniel: update, then update again16:32
Pnuuworked for me16:32
Morpog_PCi'm on 12 and get no update offered16:32
Yanielbut then I am back to ..10?16:33
Pnuuyup16:33
Yanielor is the update just a no-op16:33
Morpog_PCI guess update to 10, update to 12 again, done16:34
PnuuYaniel: I "updated" to .10 from .12, then there was a new update to .1216:34
Yanieland then nothing?16:34
Pnuuyes, after that now more updates16:35
Pnuuno16:35
Yanielokay16:35
micko_Pnuu: are you sure it updated it? I noticed that putting the upgrade on background while it's downloading, does not perform the update16:35
xcv_anyone?16:36
Pnuumicko_: device info showed .10 after the phantom update16:36
micko_I had the same before .10 (don't remember the number anymore) I started the upgrade and put it in the background. When I looked back, it offered the same upgrade again16:38
micko_the phone didn't reboot or anything. it was like no upgrade was done. I thought it was a feature16:39
*** paju has left #jollamobile16:42
Morpog_PCxcv_, not yet16:47
xcv_Morpog_PC: are you going to offer them at some point? I'd like some replacement battery if mine dies when I'm outside16:49
Morpog_PCxcv_, i'm not a Jolla employe, but I hope so. Would be kinda pointless to offer exchangeable battery but no option to buy the,.16:50
xcv_Morpog_PC: oh, sorry for the confusion16:51
Morpog_PCOther colors for covers also aren't available to buy yet16:51
xcv_Yes, that's what I thought, I just wanted to confirm it16:51
xcv_True16:51
Morpog_PCcybette, could maybe know?16:52
*** ttyS3 has joined #jollamobile16:52
CoderCandy... I hate having a tracking number16:54
*** parasemic has joined #jollamobile16:54
CoderCandyOH16:55
CoderCandyI have an estimated delivery now16:55
CoderCandy6PM on monday16:55
parasemicanyone else has issues with doubletapping the screen to wake up?16:55
*** rcg has joined #jollamobile16:57
Morpog_PCnope16:59
cybettexcv_, Morpog_PC: we're working on it, but no ETA yet17:00
Morpog_PCthx for reply :D17:01
xcv_cybette, Morpog_PC: thanks17:01
parasemicdunno if my device is broken, doubletapping keeps on getting unconcistent, now i even have to doubletap lik 4 times before the device wakes up17:01
parasemiclike*17:01
*** dunp has quit IRC17:02
*** NIN101 has quit IRC17:03
*** dunp has joined #jollamobile17:04
*** Kabouik has quit IRC17:05
*** biertie has quit IRC17:05
*** biertie has joined #jollamobile17:05
*** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile17:08
*** ScriptRipper1 has quit IRC17:15
*** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe17:16
*** ScriptRipper1 has joined #jollamobile17:18
distAnyone know why pkcon refresh would say: Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)17:19
Turskidist: because of a bug...17:22
Morpog_PCdist what does "ssu domain" say?17:22
Turskii thought 1.0.1.12 fixed that...17:22
Tofeparasemic: sometimes, when I double-tap, the screen wakes up but nothing shows up. However, the UI seems to be there (I can here the pulley menu clicking, for example). If I shut it down and double-tap again, it's fine.17:22
distMorpog_PC: jolla17:23
Morpog_PCok, so messed up17:23
Morpog_PCssu domain sales17:23
distMorpog_PC: sales might be the right one, how the hell does that end up there?17:23
parasemicTofe: in my case it just doesn't respond..17:23
Turskidist: aha... you touched developer updates17:23
distAh, well. I didn't but a friend did =D17:23
distoh well.17:23
Tofeparasemic: ah, that didn't happen to me.17:23
distMorpog_PC, Turski: thanks!17:24
parasemicWeird thing is, there is no problem with the sensitivity of the screen otherwise and mostly it opens normally with 1 doubletap. Guess it could be a bug and not a physical problem.17:25
peakkiTofe:  i've encountered the same a few times17:26
*** entil has joined #jollamobile17:29
*** miksuh has joined #jollamobile17:30
entilhi guys17:36
entilgot my jolla finally, and it seems to have trouble importing my contacts17:36
entilit's a vcf with all the contacts, but it imports only the first one17:36
entilI exported them from the n900 and put them together, so is there something about the vcf format I should know or is this a bug in the people app?17:37
w00tentil: can you email me the vcf so I can take a look? (robin.burchell@jolla.com)17:37
Morpog_PCw00t, is there a way to delete all contacts? By terminal maybe?17:38
entilis it ok I if censor the names and numbers? run it through sed like?17:38
*** krnlyng has joined #jollamobile17:39
w00tentil: sure, but please make sure the import still fails after you're done :-)17:39
entilit's not a big secret and you apparently work for jolla so it should be fine but .. you know17:39
entilok gimme a sec and I'll check it out!17:39
w00tMorpog_PC: you can remove the database, which would do it (though you'd also want to restart voicecall and anything else touching contact data as they'd get quite confused)17:39
Morpog_PChmmm17:40
Morpog_PCor I'll just delete them one by one...17:40
entilw00t: actually I'll go on a limb and mail you17:41
entilw00t: looks like a mess to do anything with sed17:41
w00tentil: thanks - I promise to not look at anything past the actual problem, don't worry :)17:41
entilw00t: I really appreciate it :)17:42
entilI tried sending that file into the .vault/whatever/all.vcf file17:42
entilI didn't really understand it, though, because it contained two contacts I'd tried to import from single files17:42
parasemicw00t what do you think about my device starting to not wake up with doubletappig the screen?17:42
entileven after I deleted the contacts from the people app :o17:43
w00tparasemic: can you give any more information?17:43
entilfwiw if I knew where the contact db lives I'd just hack something together to shove the vcf data in there but I'd really like to know if there's an easier way17:43
parasemicit was working totally from the start, then after a while sometimes i had to doubletap like twice or thrice. now its gotten so bad i sometimes have to wake up by pressing the power button as doubletap just won't work17:44
entilw00t: for f in *vcf; do echo >> ../all_contacts.vcf && cat $f >> ../all_contacts.vcf; done17:44
*** stephg has joined #jollamobile17:45
entilw00t: tail -n +2 ../all_contacts.vcf > ../all_contacts_fixed.vcf17:45
parasemicit also seems to get stuck in the lockscreen sometimes17:45
*** arcean has joined #jollamobile17:45
entilw00t: that's how the file was generated from the n900 data17:45
w00tentil: these were exported off an n900?17:45
entilyes17:45
w00tparasemic: does the power key work instantly?17:45
entilsee how I even made sure the file doesn't end in a newline, in case that's relevant ;)17:45
entildidn't matter17:45
parasemicw00t: yes17:46
w00tentil: my first guess was going to be https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,74297, but that hasn't hit you17:46
* w00t tries to import it17:46
parasemicalso, this only happens like once every tenth wakeup or so17:46
w00tparasemic: not honestly sure - what do you mean by 'stuck' in the lockscreen too?17:47
entilw00t: yeah that's what I noticed, the files don't end "properly" so I compensated with echo ;) good to know you compensate for that, but it's probably not the issue at hand17:47
parasemicit opens up, but won't respond to a swipe down to the multitasking screen17:47
*** SfietKonstantin has joined #jollamobile17:47
w00tentil: I can reproduce the problem17:48
parasemicor well, i have to wait for a few seconds, then the swipe starts to work17:48
stephgparasemic: I've seen that once or twice over the last week17:48
stephgbut not 1 in 10 times...17:48
entilw00t: phew... is there anything obviously bad with the file?17:48
entilhey.. \r\n right? that's not what I used for a separator!17:49
parasemicstephg: well it was very seldom at first but its gotten worse with the time17:49
entilecho outputs \n only, I'm sure17:49
entilI'll try sending a "broken" file to the phone and see if your codereview change link thing does the trick17:49
w00tentil: \r\n may matter, actually -- the fields in the card are \r\n seperated, so I presume the cards should be too17:50
*** jsiltane has joined #jollamobile17:51
entilw00t: now it found 3 contacts17:52
entilthis is more than a bit confusing, it's found the two people who were in all.vcf (under .vault whatever)17:52
entiland the first one from the file17:53
w00tperl -p -i -e "s/END:VCARD\n/END:VCARD\r\n/g" all_contacts_1.vcf (no idea if that's right, so be a little cautious) imported 51717:53
*** phako_ is now known as phako17:53
*** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC17:54
*** ttyS3 has quit IRC17:54
entilthe n900 says I have 520 contacts, I got 519 files17:55
w00tthe extra 2 may(?) have been from the first two attempts I made to import17:55
w00tI'll clear the database and try again17:55
entilw00t: is there logic in the importer that checks whether or not a file has been imported?17:55
entilbecause sometimes, like just now, I'm not seeing the "From file" option at all17:56
w00tentil: I'm not sure offhand17:56
entilit's ok, I'll try your perl thing17:56
*** ttyS3 has joined #jollamobile17:56
w00tremoving the database got me 518... no idea where the 519th went :P17:56
*** Mr_K_ has joined #jollamobile17:58
entilw00t: !!! I got 519 imported contacts17:58
entilthanks a lot17:58
entilit was the \n vs \r\n17:58
w00tglad I could be of some limited help :)17:58
Pnuuentil: maybe the 520th is your own number in n900?17:59
entilI'm a bit confused as to why the malformed one didn't work out but it might have been something I screwed up, because I'm sure your reviewed code works17:59
entilPnuu: maybeh, that's a lot of contacts to check out manually, but a cursory glance showed everyone I usually contact :D17:59
w00tI think it may be worth our while making the vcf parser more tolerant, as I'm sure I've seen other software handle this situation better17:59
entilw00t: and yeah, it'd be real cool if you deleted the file and email with the attachment ;)17:59
*** stephg has quit IRC17:59
w00tI'll put that into the "spare time" bucket17:59
w00tentil: already on it :)18:00
entilcoming from python anything that's not .split() feels like pain ;D18:00
entilor splitlines actually18:00
w00tall gone18:00
entilthanks18:00
entilI got to eat, my brain just realized I've been screwing around with this issue for hours18:01
entilbut the next thing would be to import chat histories, that's gonna be fun18:01
entilbecause afaict it's not a supported feature so I get to do my first sailfish app18:01
w00tthe stuff to look at there is libcommhistory/commhistoryd18:01
entil(couldn't find one online either)18:01
w00tif you run into problems, special might be able to help you out if he's around18:01
w00t(github.com/nemomobile/commhistory-daemon + github.com/nemomobile/libcommhistory)18:02
entilthanks18:02
entilyeah, I'm guessing I'll have some fun setting up the sdk and all first ;)18:02
entilAFTER I eat, maybe even tomorrow18:03
*** arcean has quit IRC18:04
*** jsiltane has left #jollamobile18:07
tanghusw00t: it seems PHOTO isn't imported. I synced from an N950, could that be the reason?18:07
w00ttanghus: if they're a part of the vcf, they should be. i'm not entirely sure that they were on n950 exports18:10
MatokingAny information about possible camera support in Myriad Alien (aka Android support)?18:11
tanghusw00t: maybe I should just do a 'normal' import then. Until CardDAV is implemented ;)18:11
MatokingIt doesn't appear to work at the moment18:11
*** tetris4 has quit IRC18:17
*** pvanhoof has joined #jollamobile18:27
*** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away18:36
*** Morphy has quit IRC18:39
*** amizraa has quit IRC18:40
lusikkaI can't seem to get my mobile data working. Any idea how to debug it?18:41
*** ewalker has joined #jollamobile18:41
*** thessy has joined #jollamobile18:42
*** Mr_K_ has quit IRC18:44
*** Mr_K_ has joined #jollamobile18:47
*** ewalker has quit IRC18:49
*** zacce has quit IRC18:50
*** zacce has joined #jollamobile18:51
sremeshere was earlier some discussion about wifi hotspot, so I decided to code a small app to do that in addition to the python script: https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot (rpm's available too)18:53
pp_yay :D18:58
pp_nice :-)18:59
sremesthanks :)18:59
pp_USB tether seems to be covered in a recent commit to nemo, too18:59
pp_I sort of started in the same area, but couldn't figure out qml dbus bindings so got nowhere :-)19:00
*** jjarven has quit IRC19:00
sremesI tried those qml-dbus bindings too, but could not figure out how to work with them, and then found that connman-qt5 bindings :)19:00
pp_:-)19:01
pp_working code beats elegant code19:01
pp_some jolla-settings things seemed to use them19:02
*** faenil has joined #jollamobile19:06
*** gigetoo has quit IRC19:11
*** gigetoo has joined #jollamobile19:12
*** edgar2 has joined #jollamobile19:17
mfulzis there a file open dialog somewhere?19:17
mfulzthis one is not workinghttp://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquickdialogs/qml-qtquick-dialogs1-filedialog.html19:18
Venemopp_: working elegant code beats working code19:19
*** jjarven has joined #jollamobile19:21
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC19:23
thessyhi, whats the right way to integrate own ssl certs to jolla?19:23
thessyis there a command line tool (for developer mode) ?19:24
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile19:25
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile19:25
*** nsuffys has joined #jollamobile19:25
*** tumpelo has joined #jollamobile19:30
*** ikarus has quit IRC19:33
*** ikarus has joined #jollamobile19:33
*** lbt has quit IRC19:35
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile19:35
*** lbt has quit IRC19:35
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile19:35
*** jmlich has quit IRC19:36
*** thessy has quit IRC19:40
*** thessy has joined #jollamobile19:40
*** nsuffys has quit IRC19:49
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC20:03
*** ortylp has quit IRC20:03
*** ortylp has joined #jollamobile20:04
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile20:04
*** arcean has joined #jollamobile20:06
*** lollo2 has joined #jollamobile20:10
*** furikku has quit IRC20:13
*** artemma has quit IRC20:24
petantikca-cert? idk for sure.20:26
*** phlixi_ has quit IRC20:36
*** cvp has joined #jollamobile20:36
*** rypervenche has joined #jollamobile20:37
cvphey ho20:37
Venemohi20:37
rypervencheI have a friend who lives in Europe. Are there any things on the phone that would prevent me from being able to use it in the states?20:38
Stskeepsrypervenche: frequencies of 3G might be a problem20:38
rypervencheStskeeps: So it would be a good idea to wait for it to be on sale in the U.S. then?20:39
Stskeepsif it ever comes to the US market, yeah20:39
ln-but it's not that it wouldn't work in the US at all, right?20:40
Yanielit might work20:40
Yanielbut no guarantees ^^20:40
Stskeepsln-: i've yet to see a phone that shuts down on US territory20:40
Pnuu"too open, not allowed!" :-P20:41
cvphrhr20:41
Yanielwould not even surprise me20:41
specialyou can get at least 2G on T-Mobile. That SIM of mine doesn't support anything higher, so I'm not sure other than that.20:41
specialsame on AT&T20:41
rypervencheI bought my N9 from Finland and I've no problems with it. I'm just curious to know that if they were going to bring it out to the states, would they have modified it at all or would it be the same exact phone.20:41
Yanielgood to hear20:42
Stskeepsrypervenche: with any phone you'll want to check frequency compatibility with your network20:42
rypervencheStskeeps: All right. I'll look into that. Thank you. Would that be the only factor to look at?20:42
Stskeepsrypervenche: i .. think so20:43
rypervencheStskeeps: All right. I'll try to do a good bit of research before purchasing one.20:43
Pnuuhow about import restrictions regarding encryption (ssh)?20:44
Pnuuor are there any? :-P20:44
Yanielofc you can always get one for playing arounf0d :P20:44
specialPnuu: there aren't import restrictions, only export20:44
Pnuuah, ok :-)20:44
special(and the export restrictions are really just paperwork for lawyers to do)20:44
Yanielaround even20:44
Stskeepsrypervenche: there's also no FCC label on devices people have in europe.20:45
qqKif I try to connect to a wifi network, it always just says "Sorry. Could not connect to selected network" Does anyone know why it would do that?20:46
*** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC20:47
PnuuqqK: which security? wpa enterprise isn't supported20:47
*** phlixi has joined #jollamobile20:51
cvpmay videos work, but th sounds turn  off in 5-10 seconds, have anyone the same prob?20:51
qqK[21:47:40] <Pnuu> qqK: which security? wpa enterprise isn't supported  <- wep :|20:52
*** Matoking has quit IRC20:56
*** M4rtinK has joined #jollamobile20:57
*** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile21:00
*** artemma has joined #jollamobile21:03
*** itbaron has quit IRC21:17
*** c0ck4m0u53 has quit IRC21:18
*** artemma has quit IRC21:22
*** nander has joined #jollamobile21:23
nanderlet's play hangman21:23
nander7 characters21:23
AJAX555jollafi !21:24
nanderwrong ;)21:25
Pnuuboobies21:25
Pnuu(close relatives to gannets)21:27
FireFlynander: e21:28
*** tumpelo has quit IRC21:32
entilI installed the sdk :o A bit confusing though, I created the first app thing https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html and what I'm seeing in the emulator isn't at all like the screen shots21:32
entilI'd assume the sdk's been updated so there are new templates or something, but the code says things like "Hello Sailors" and I'm not seeing the text21:33
*** mindflash has joined #jollamobile21:37
*** mindflash has joined #jollamobile21:37
nanderall wrong21:38
*** lbt has quit IRC21:38
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile21:38
*** lbt has quit IRC21:38
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile21:38
*** edgar2 has quit IRC21:39
*** AlmAck has quit IRC21:41
*** AlmAck has joined #jollamobile21:42
nanderThe word was shipped..21:42
nanderWas that really that hard? ;)21:42
*** thessy has left #jollamobile21:43
*** anonfriese_ has quit IRC21:44
*** dhbiker has quit IRC21:45
entilok whoah, I got something completely wrong... having virtualbox running is not running the application21:47
entiltoo tired for this ->21:48
sremesrypervenche: I was in the US with my pre-order Jolla, and it did work for SMS and calls at least, didn't try 3g data due to ridiculous roaming prices21:52
rypervenchesremes: Thanks a lot.21:56
*** Natunen has quit IRC22:00
*** artemma has joined #jollamobile22:00
*** thessy has joined #jollamobile22:00
CraigArypervenche i'm in canada with my jolla22:02
*** rcg has quit IRC22:02
*** thessy has left #jollamobile22:03
*** VDVsx_ has quit IRC22:08
*** NIN101 has quit IRC22:16
*** stuartmd has joined #jollamobile22:23
*** javispedro has joined #jollamobile22:23
Stskeepso/ javispedro22:23
*** parasemic has quit IRC22:24
javispedrohello22:24
Stskeepshow's things?22:24
*** stuartmd has quit IRC22:24
javispedrogood from here :)22:25
javispedrofigured out it would be a good idea to join if I was already toying with the device22:26
Stskeepshehe, a nice helpful community is definately growing here22:26
javispedrobtw, thanks indeed for the TMO comments the other day22:27
javispedrojust been able to boot a kernel, so I'm happy :)22:27
Stskeepsno problem.. i couldn't let it stand that we were somehow having a less open device when that's how we built sailfishos in the first place22:27
Stskeeps;)22:29
faeniljavispedro, o/22:29
javispedroStskeeps: heh, apologies (but I do know that trolling a bit is a good lazy way to extract information ;P)22:31
javispedrofaenil: hi!22:31
*** lbt has quit IRC22:33
*** lbt has joined #jollamobile22:34
*** nander has quit IRC22:37
*** joered has quit IRC22:41
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC22:51
*** artemma has quit IRC22:51
javispedrois djselbeck from TMO around?22:54
*** Sarvi has quit IRC23:00
*** cb400f has quit IRC23:00
specialhm23:02
specialtablet charges a lot faster when I plug the USB cable into something23:02
specialwish I had known that an hour ago23:02
Turskican't be!23:02
javispedrohttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Backup_Device -- I suspect at some point either a Jolla wiki or namespace will be required :)23:02
Turskispecial: but hey, you learn something new everyday23:02
Turskispecial: i learned that same thing a week ago too23:03
sremesI had a lesson of that thing too, I even thought my laptop had suddenly died for some time, until I realized the battery had run out when the charger was somehow badly connected23:04
Turskioh shit, we shall be afraid: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu23:13
Turskioh, it's already fixed ;)23:13
*** Andy80 has quit IRC23:13
javispedroTurski: hey, that's kinda another way to try to discourage people from buying crappy motherboards23:17
merlin1991hey javispedro did you get anywhere with sowatch for jolla? I'm eagerly awaiting a release ;)23:19
merlin1991how would I go about telling conman to use a dhcp client on usb0 on the jolla?23:19
javispedromerlin1991: well, I do have something that will connect via BLE to it and force one of the new watchfaces (the one with fishes)23:19
javispedro(but that's about it :) )23:20
merlin1991I still have the wds112 model, don't know how well the "knew" ble firmware plays with it23:20
merlin1991last time I tried to flash the non ble version of the current firmware it only worked so and so, the main watchface didn't update for example23:21
javispedrooh, you have the original one?23:21
merlin1991yep23:22
javispedrono BLE then...23:22
merlin1991I bought it from thp when he realized he isn't using it at all23:22
*** lbt has quit IRC23:22
javispedrothe older UI is totally unmantained and they were breaking it with every other update23:22
*** fk_lx has quit IRC23:22
merlin1991I'm running sowtach 0.4.3 together "app 3.1.0" firmware23:23
javispedroyeah...23:23
merlin1991since that is the only mix that worked for me when I tried through the versions23:23
javispedrohm.23:23
merlin1991I went as far as backporting ui features from your master branch whilst trying not to affect the bt code :D23:24
javispedroI was pondering what to do re Jolla version. To either a) start something new using BLE and UIv2, QtQuick223:24
javispedrob) "quick" port of Sowatch to Sailfish, use QtQuick123:25
javispedrowatch UIv2, no BLE23:25
javispedro*UIv123:25
merlin1991is there any newish release of the watch firmware where uiv1 works properly?23:26
javispedrolet me check..23:26
merlin1991I feel like a debian user running this super old combination :D23:27
javispedromeh, my notes are garbage23:27
javispedro1.4.5 (486.418) is the last one I tried23:28
javispedroworked OK except for screen corruption when pressing B button, and also screen corruption when going back to23:28
javispedrothe watch display from any watchlet23:28
javispedroalbeit it fixed itself when the next minute rolled in23:29
javispedro(so it was usable :P)23:29
*** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile23:29
merlin1991so in otherwords still a regression over what I'm currently running23:29
javispedrogood battery life though =)23:29
javispedroso... yeah, that's the minefield of bugs I'm trying to avoid by moving to the new UI23:30
javispedroalso, I supposed that a QtQuick1 app can't use all the new Sailfish QML widgets23:31
* javispedro ponders23:32
merlin1991do they even release non ble versions nowadays?23:32
*** ortylp has quit IRC23:32
*** popey has quit IRC23:32
javispedronope23:33
merlin1991damn23:33
merlin1991so my watch is eolo23:33
merlin1991*eol*23:33
javispedromy gen1 watch is broken (refuses to charge)23:33
javispedromerlin1991: can you try updating your gen1 to newest firmware and see if it works with android app?23:33
javispedromore accurately, "how" it works?  maybe UIv2 works better even in gen1 watches23:34
*** Venemo has quit IRC23:34
merlin1991no droid available for me within a 50km23:34
merlin1991-a23:34
javispedro(same)23:34
merlin1991and iirc the jolla doesn23:35
javispedrowell, that's a lie. I have the Jolla =)23:35
merlin1991't yet do ble23:35
javispedroaliendalvik doesn't do bluetooth at all23:35
javispedrono idea why, because it would be trivial23:35
javispedro(the "emulated" android version can still use bluez...)23:36
merlin1991ah well so much for that idea then23:37
javispedroI think I will do option (a) and start something new, hoping that the UIv2 works better in your watch23:37
javispedroif it doesn't... we'll see.23:37
*** miksuh has quit IRC23:37
merlin1991is there ble support in the jolla bluez?23:37
javispedromerlin1991: proudly present my "BLE API wars" post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=139199023:38
*** spider-mario has quit IRC23:39
javispedrotl;dr: yes there is, albeit minimal, but enough to "roll your own" on top of it.23:39
merlin1991and whatabout bluez on harmattan, did you have to upgrade it or can you roll your gato library with the one preinstalled?23:42
javispedroyeah, my tests have been on harmattan currently23:42
javispedroermm.. no upgrades required, I mean.23:42
merlin1991last time I read about ble on harmattan was quite some time ago, back then someone claimed "hw can do it, but user will have to upgrade bluez"23:43
javispedroeven current git bluez does not really have a BLE API23:44
javispedro(albeit it's moving as we speak)23:44
*** sameo has joined #jollamobile23:46
*** sameo has joined #jollamobile23:47
*** popey has joined #jollamobile23:47
*** popey has joined #jollamobile23:47
javispedrothey are moving a shitload of stuff to the kernel, no idea why (as I presume that in less than 5 years we'll see it move back to userspace again), but that's for another discussion :)23:47
javispedroin the meanwhile...23:50
javispedrohas there been any talk about fm radio reception on the jolla device?23:50
*** Mr_K_ has quit IRC23:51
*** disharmonic has quit IRC23:52
*** nander has joined #jollamobile23:53
nanderMy jolla has just left paris xD23:53
nander8 minutes ago23:53
cvpnice ;)23:56
Turskinander: i've had mine already for 25 days :)23:57
Turski(sorry)23:57
specialTurski: I've had mine for a few months ;)23:57
special(the latest one)23:57
*** xray256 has joined #jollamobile23:57
Turskispecial: :(23:57
specialdon't brag unless you can win :p23:57
Turskispecial: but you're not allowed to take part in this!23:58
Turskispecial: btw, were the first ones with OMAP chipsets?23:59
merlin1991I still use my n9 even though I have my jolla23:59
merlin1991no sowatch and no exchange atm so I can't move platform yet :D23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!