#jollamobile log for Sunday, 2013-12-22

specialTurski: nothing I can say, sorry00:01
Turski...00:01
Turskiso mysterious man...00:01
Turskii just remember reading something about that jolla were supposed to have omap00:02
merlin1991though I've got the feeling that in my case it is actually the exchange version that is giving me problem00:02
merlin1991since I managed to convince the admin to turn off all provisioning features on the server side and it still didn't get a key00:02
merlin1991now I'm sitting here with installers for exchange 2007 2010 and 2013 and will have some debugging fun00:03
Turskii didn't have big problems with my school's exchange00:04
merlin1991any idea what version they are running?00:04
Turskijust needed to check correct settings from n900:04
Turskino idea... let me check if i can find it out00:05
merlin1991in case they enabled the exchange web access, then you see the version on the login screen there00:05
javispedroTurski: ST-Ericsson came before Qualcomm00:05
Turskijavispedro: ah, i probably remembered wrong then00:06
Turskijavispedro: but that sound familiar00:06
Turskimerlin1991: webmail is enabled00:07
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Turskimerlin1991: van't find version information there00:08
Turskican't*00:08
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Turski"© 2009 Microsoft Corporation." is the only hint...00:08
merlin1991doesn't it say something like Connected to Microsoft Exchange © 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.  somewhere?00:08
Turskimerlin1991: btw, is exchange and outlook web apps different thing?00:08
merlin1991no idea00:09
Turskithere's a mention about 365 office00:09
TurskiMailbox server Microsoft Exchange version: 14.2.247.000:10
Turskithere it is00:10
Turskiand Version: 14.2.390.100:10
merlin199114.x is exchange 201000:11
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javispedromeh, journald says dbus-daemon is generating "JavaScript errors" (it's actually the browser)00:14
* javispedro doesn't want to know00:14
specialapplications launched by dbus occasionally have their errors misreported by journal00:15
javispedroI imagine -- inheriting log domain from parent00:16
Turskii don't like jolla browser at all00:16
M4rtinKthere is a lot of funny stuff in the Journal :)00:16
Turskii just hope they can hire a good browser engineer soon :)00:16
specialit's a scary place :)00:16
CraigATurski not really00:16
CraigAOWA is how exchange runs now almost all the time00:17
Turskisince i saw a job open for a broser engineer00:17
javispedroI find the browser great, coming from a N9..00:17
CraigAeven internally, most communication is done through https to the exchange server00:17
javispedro(albeit the tabs reloading is criminal)00:17
M4rtinKBTW, the journalctl utility itself is unfortunately rather outdated00:17
specialM4rtinK: I believe there's a systemd upgrade happening in a mer next branch00:18
Turskijavispedro: UI i unlogical and too big elements and does not comply with jolla ideology00:18
M4rtinKthe one in recent Fedora (19/20) can dirrectly do grep, coloring, error levels, etc.00:18
Turskijavispedro: and has no landscape mode!00:18
M4rtinKspecial: nice ! :)00:18
Turskii think the browser is the wors piece of jolla software at the moment and needs most improvement00:18
M4rtinKTurski: some part look kinda nice visually00:19
M4rtinKbut yeah, features are lacking00:19
Turskii just think it should be done again from the scratch with better design00:19
M4rtinKBTW, any one able to run the android Opera Mobile (not mini) ?00:19
M4rtinKat least the one from Yandex crashes for me00:20
javispedrohm, for some reason, launching a BLE scan on my Jolla kills my WLAN00:20
javispedroalbeit connecting works fine (and thus I can confirm that the Jolla has BT4)00:20
Turskispecial: latest systemd upgrades destroyed my desktop experience... but surely those won't affect jolla00:21
Turskijsut haven't been able to suspend my desktop for few months00:22
Turskiactually i don't even know if it was systemd or something else00:22
Turskiat least don't being able to shutdown was tracked to st terminal emulator... and from that being somekind of probably X11 bug00:23
Turskiwhich is quite interesting, but not on topic of this channel00:23
javispedroyeah, confirming, launching a BLE scan confuses the BT/WLAN chip and requires reset .oO(firmware bug?)00:23
javispedro(the scan itself works...)00:25
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javispedroso it seems you can't scan AND use wlan at the same time. oh well.00:30
javispedrohoping there's a public bugzilla some day to dump these things there instead of /dev/null ;)00:32
Turskiis there mosh packages for jolla available?00:32
Turskishould probably ask my school to install mosh for shell server00:34
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M4rtinKTurski: there is a blogpost: http://blog.ruecker.fi/2013/12/01/mosh-for-sailfish/00:51
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M4rtinKTurski: and there is also a mosh package I've built a while ago: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish/sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm00:53
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TurskiM4rtinK: oh...00:58
M4rtinKin short, both should be working :)00:59
M4rtinKanyway, good night! :)00:59
Turskiyeah, just need to get mosh to my school's server00:59
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Turskiand good night too00:59
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CoderCandyWhat is Fedex doing? Apparently my Jolla have been going back and forth to France, and is now in Finland again05:04
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StskeepsCoderCandy: you know how there's this .gif of a package bouncing on a delivery band..07:24
Stskeepsi am fairly sure they've outsourced it to santa, judging by the route07:25
Stskeeps:P07:25
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neosisaniare there any plans to make jolla phone with proper keyboard?07:37
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atlazneosisani: some talk has been about a Other Half with a qwerty-keyboard07:47
atlazhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9153507:48
neosisanioooh shiny, this is like exension, not complete phone, right?07:50
atlazYeah, the "back cover" is exchangable07:51
atlazhttp://www.jollatides.com/2013/09/26/other-half-concept-ideas-to-jolt-the-imagination/07:51
atlazneosisani: and unlike other phones, Jolla has some connectors in the back so that you can actually do these kinds of things07:52
neosisaniatlaz connecting keyboard to i2c?07:52
atlazneosisani: yeah07:52
neosisanithat sounds somehow so wrong07:52
atlazWhy? :)07:52
neosisanisince cover would be master, and phone slave07:53
atlazneosisani: read the thread i threw at you, on talk.maemo.org07:53
atlazThey've sorted it out pretty far07:53
fluxneosisani, an interrupt pin is also provided so it doesn't need to work that way07:58
Stskeepsflux: how's the BT LE things coming along btw?07:58
fluxhaven't tried it further07:59
neosisanithanks flux, reading the topic now to figure out what they have for now07:59
fluxprobably at the same opint as javispedro ;)07:59
fluxbut, christmas holidays are only at their beginning!07:59
flux..and so is going to the relatives :/, in fact I should be moving my butt right now. happy xmas-hacking ;)08:01
Stskeepsflux: hehe ;)08:01
fluxstskeeps, I did get so far as to install the latest sdk last night and set up command line compilation/deployment scripts for myself, so I'm all set ;-)08:01
fluxnow all I need to do is choose the right commands and put them in the order I want and it works!08:02
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atlazOh man, i got pretty far on my arcade cabinet yesterday. Did all the sawing (and still got my thumbs)08:05
atlazThen i figured out i had the wrong screws so i had to stop for the day and regroup08:05
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msknightHi Folks, not much time so I thought I'd fire this out there and see who knows what ... it looks to me as if pulling the battery wipes out any wi-fi sites that have been set up.08:53
Stskeepswell, pulling battery is not a recommended mode of shutting down anything ;)08:53
Stskeepsthat said, bit surprised08:53
msknightIt's the only way when it freezes!08:54
Stskeepspoint08:54
Stskeepsyou can also hold down power button in many cases though08:54
neosisanimsknight don't have jolla, but can you try adding site, shutting down properly, booting, then pulling the battery and see if it remains08:55
msknightRight - got to get behind the wheel and go get our chrimbo turkey.  They'd better not pull the power on that ... like they did a few years back ... everyone's chrimbo dinners were ruined in the village.08:55
msknightI'll try neosisani ... and report back later, but I do recall shutting it down properly on a number of occasions, certainly after programming in the domestic wi-fi.08:56
msknightBye for now.08:56
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covoxatlaz: nice09:13
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covoxfull-height cabinet or a cocktail?09:14
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tobiskii've had to put my pin code few times when double tapping the screen awake. anyone else had that and is it known bug?09:28
Stskeepslock code or sim pin09:28
tobiskisim09:29
Stskeepsand it hasn't rebooted for sure?09:29
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tobiskicant be sure.. i've noticed it when taing he phone out of pocket09:30
Stskeepsokay, a good way to see is if your apps are still running09:31
tobiskiself-rebooting just sounds unlikely09:31
Stskeepsyes and no, there's watchdogs running09:31
tobiskiyeah, need to leave some app on background and check the next time it asks for the pin09:32
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peakkitobiski:  with one operator (DNA) in finland the same issue. usually a new sim card has resolved the issue09:39
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tobiskipeakki: dna also, and i changed sim card just this week >_>09:40
korcongratulations. you're a beta tester.09:41
peakkitobiski:  hmm, wierd. my jolla doesn't have this issue with sonera :)09:43
peakkiif I remember correctly, one jolla user changed from DNA to Sonera this week, and the problem was gone after that09:43
Pnuucould it be bad contact with the sim?09:44
Pnuuwith olden nokia phones it was quite usual to get "no sim card" error09:44
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korno, it's only been reported with dna :/ maybe they have too thin sims?09:45
tbrpad it with a piece of paper09:45
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tobiskiinteresting.. well if it starts to happen too often i'll need to do something about it09:47
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Stskeepscheck your sim and slot, at least09:49
tobiskiread from finnish forum that if you press the backcover where the sim is, the contact is lost or something09:52
petantiki had issues where the phone lost connection with sim and it told me to restart09:53
petantikand it also made the battery percentage incorrect09:54
jake9xxpetantik: which operator, and is your sim self-cut or already in uSIM form?09:54
petantikjake9xx: giffgaff precut09:54
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petantikso one day i was at 24% battery for 8 hours09:54
tobiskii have original dna sim card and managed to lose the contact by pressing the backcover09:55
jake9xxpetantik: which sw version? The first release had issue with the battery status value09:55
jake9xxtobiski: asking because I've tried it with mine but haven't succeeded in losing contact.. however SaunaLahti is so bad that network itself requires me to reboot now and then09:56
petantikjake9xx: the latest. 1.0.1.1209:56
tobiskibut the point where to press is quite precise09:56
jake9xxok, what would it be?09:56
petantikit was in my pocket at that time.09:57
tobiskiexactly at the point where the sim card is09:57
Acceany info on together.jolla.com yet?09:58
jake9xxtobiski: no luck here. Went thru the whole area09:59
jake9xxtobiski: which TOH are you using to repro, it, white or something else?10:00
tobiskijake9xx: tried it myself again but couldn't repoduce o_O just before did it twice10:00
tobiskiwhite10:00
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Azogi have the same issues: tested with two sim cards (o2 germany), when carrying in the pocket the sim card loses contact from time to time10:02
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Fryejake9xx, What kind of issues you have with Saunalahti? I've had no isses since the launch on Narinkkatori.10:05
FryeAt least issues that I could pinpoint to the device10:05
Fryeerm operator10:05
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AardAzog: micro sim from operator, or cut yourself?10:21
AzogAard: from operator10:22
Aardjake9xx: my main phone is saunalahti, no problems at all10:22
jake9xxFrye: I live in the wilderness, wolves, lynxes, bears and stuff around10:22
jake9xxFrye: no coverage and my post-nuclear-life-quality house blocks the remaining signals10:23
Fryelol10:23
jake9xxAard: how far did you cast if from the shore?10:23
FryeAlmost like me then, except I do not live in the faraday cage :D10:23
FryeAnd I live in deeper woods than Aard :D10:23
jake9xxFrye: so I live just north of Kauniainen, but Saunalahti thinks this is not real area for good coverage10:24
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Aardjake9xx: it worked all the way to rovaniemi ;)10:24
Frye:D10:24
jake9xxAard: eh, you wrote 'in saunalahti' - that's the bay just south from me10:25
Pnuuwell, I'm in Ivalo now, and saunalahti works just perfect ;-)10:25
jake9xxPnuu: you live there?10:25
Azogi can confirm, that pressing on TOH where the sim card is leads to a contact loss of the sim card10:25
Pnuujake9xx: no, I live in Espoo, but my parents live here10:26
jake9xxPnuu: offtopic but did you hang on Inari (M)BBS ?10:26
Pnuuno, I didn't even have a computer during bbs times :-D10:26
Pnuuand my folks just moved here 5 years ago, although we've had a summer cottage here from the early seventies10:27
jake9xxwell, in general saunalahti is ok (cheap & stuff) but this house is just at the edge of two cells, so if I am in kitchen, cell regiters to bs 1 and I go to living room it registers to bs 210:27
jake9xxPnuu: roger that10:27
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Fryejake9xx, that is annoying. I have that same with DNA and sonera at my house.10:29
Quusaunalahti is shit nowdays10:29
Aard.p3~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~10:29
Quu0.2mb connection for 3e/month or 20mbps conenction for 35e/month10:30
FryeAnd I hate it when the phones (any phone) just start jumping between the stations10:30
jake9xxFrye: yeah, its' the nature of cell technology10:30
Quu3g connections that is.10:30
Nicd-Quu: I like saunalahti still, 2M connection10:30
jake9xxalso Saunalahti is good if there are no other subscribers on that bs10:30
PnuuQuu: I think I pay 15 e or so for 20 mbps 3G connection :-P10:30
QuuNicd-: how much does that cost and where do i get it? :p10:30
jake9xxbut if there are 9 elisa subscribers and one saunalahti - guess who is last in line10:30
FryeI just have to have all three. Sonera, Saunalahti and DNA for my work10:31
Pnuuincluding few sms and talk10:31
Fryebecause I need to be able to work no matter where I am at.10:31
jake9xxif you can get saunalahti megareilu with 20e/m it's good deal10:31
FryeSurprisingly least issues with data connectivity I have with saunalahti10:31
QuuPnuu: but i dont want to pay more than 10e/month for shit im not going to use anyways10:31
Quui have less than 5min of calls per month10:31
Nicd-Quu: 12.90 € for 300 min / 25 sms / 2M data10:32
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FryeI have 0-5 calls on my saunalahti and 0 calls on the Sonera one. But data transfers are completely another story :D10:34
FryeCompany has DNA as main contract, others are just backup lines.10:34
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FryeMy only worry for xmas is that I will be denied access to the computer running SDK10:41
FryeBut let's see if I can get around that.10:42
AardFrye: you can install compiler and headers on the phone :p10:42
FryeAh10:43
FryeI could also play with a simple qml project10:43
FryeAlthough my initial plan was to maybe add online high scores to the samegame10:43
QuuFrye: samegame is yours? :)10:44
Quuthe balls are maybe bit too shiny, hard to see the colours10:44
FryeQuu, it's partly mine and partly code from qt samples10:46
FryeNext version has about dialog ingame with the license bits.10:46
FryeI just did the UI with sailfish components.10:47
Fryeas a learning project10:47
AardFrye: I managed to break it :)10:47
FryeThere is a bug with the board on current version on store10:48
Fryeif you click the stones too fast the rows get messed up10:48
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Fryethere is a fix pushed to store waiting for QA10:48
FryeBut I expect it to show up for DL after the xmas10:48
AardFrye: yep, that's what happened to me10:49
Aardhttp://bwachter.lart.info/samegame.png10:49
Fryeyep10:49
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FryeThere is a 0.6 rpm on my rapsberry Pi if you want to get the fix sooner =)10:50
Frye0.5.610:50
Fryeand ofc sources are on bitbucket if someone wants to build it or take a look at it.10:50
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walokrahmm, any more information about this: https://twitter.com/HarriHakulinen/status/414705513369051136 (nfc bug affecting battery life)10:52
AJAX555so, how much is that bug affecting the battery life?10:53
tbrsounds like the nfc reader is not turned off under certain conditions10:53
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entildo you guys use the fakevim editor in the ide? cuz I think I found an issue there... I use a lot of source ~/.vim/whatever.vim type of stuff and it doesn't seem to expand the ~ to mean my home10:57
entilit's probably usable enough (still looking into the qt/silica references, not doing much yet) but if I can get all my vim goodies running it'd always be nicer ;)10:58
Pnuuentil: use external vi(m)?10:59
entilPnuu: I can do that? :O10:59
Pnuuwell, I haven used the sdk at all :-)10:59
entilhaha ok10:59
entilthere's a lot to digest, my c++ experience is close to zero and I only once tried pyqt (which is probably dead by now) so learning to do all the virtualbox stuff and all the deployments on top of that is a bit too much11:00
PnuuI'm hoping pyotherside to be available in base repository11:01
entilbut if the error I get about not finding ~/vim/foo.vim is only because the IDE doesn't expand tildes I'd consider that a bug in the IDE11:01
Pnuuso far I've been just learning qml and doing some backend stuff with python11:01
entilhmhm, wonder if I'd have an easier time just doing python instead of c++11:02
entilthere are bindings for all this stuff, so it's completely possible to do pure python apps?11:02
entilwhat I'm trying to accomplish is reading in a csv file of my n900 sms/chat history and faking it into the jolla11:02
Pnuuhttp://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/11:03
Pnuubut: python3 and the pyotherside aren't in base repos11:03
entilok, I actually don't mind doing this through c++ if that's what it takes, I need to brush up on non-python languages anyway11:04
tbrthere's py-otherside11:04
tbrdoesn't it use sqlite for that? or was it tracker?11:05
entilwhat's the flow like with pyotherside? I still have the basic execution in c++, I model the UI with QML as usual, but I can extend the QML syntax to include calls to python?11:05
entilthe way I've figured it thus far is something like QDir from qtcore to find the csv, copypaste a slim csv parser off of stackoverflow (:D) and adapt it to my needs, and read up on libcomm and how to interact with it, creating the qml ui stuff as I go along11:06
entiland put this up on github for public ridicule ;P11:06
tbrI think there was an open source pyotherside app already11:07
entilbut can the original executable be python?11:07
entilcuz pyotherside says it's a qml plugin, and it looks like it only interacts with the qml layer... and I might be wrong but afaict the architecture in this is that you have qt executing code and qml to help it, and the developer, out with the ui layout11:08
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entilcan qml execute any code?11:11
entillooks like it calls functions, doesn't define them11:12
entilso pyotherside probably allows me to define python3 modules and call them from qml, and the base of it all is probably qtquick still11:13
Nicd-entil: you can use javascript in qml11:14
entilok, that's not bad either11:14
entilNicd-: meaning I can define js functions within the qml file?11:15
Nicd-yes11:15
entilthat might be useful11:15
Nicd-take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/59cf62ad06c8d38abd42b68f0428e6ffff3b7e4a/qml/harbour-sailtime.qml?at=master11:15
entilmy gut instinct, though, is that if the libcomm stuff doesn't have js/py bindings I'm better off defining all the lower-level code in c++11:15
entilI know I have the links w00t gave me somewhere, in the irc logs if nowhere else11:16
entilNicd-: what's up with updateDisplay? do you tell the compiler there's gonna be js in there, or does it react on the function keyword?11:17
Nicd-entil: it's defined on line 6211:18
Nicd-or what do you mean?11:18
entil"One of the great advantages of using QML to define a user interface is that it allows the user interface designer to define how the application should react to events with simple JavaScript expressions."11:18
entilthat. it appears it's meant to be javascript11:18
Nicd-yeah11:18
Nicd-you don't need to explicitly say it is11:18
entilso I get to call either js or c++ code from qml, that's actually pretty nice11:18
Nicd-yep11:18
entil(and even python, to the extent stated above)11:18
Nicd-I call C++ on line 63 there11:19
entiloh whoah, I love it :D11:19
Nicd-checker.fetchUptime(); calls https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/59cf62ad06c8d38abd42b68f0428e6ffff3b7e4a/src/uptimechecker.cpp?at=master11:19
entiland the line 66 uptime_re is exactly the kind of code you'd not want to do in c++ I guess ;P11:20
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entilI was thinking of doing this csv thing without a ui even, but it'd suck. the ui is still pretty pointless so I don't think this project will see anything really fancy11:21
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Tofeah, why can't my ubuntu establish a network with the Jolla in developper mode ?11:22
entilNicd-: but thanks for that, very educational :) now I got to go stand in line at itis saunalahti for a microsim card11:22
Nicd-entil: yeah, it's really handy to be able to do that regex stuff in JS, and not having to care about types11:23
entilyeah11:23
entiland fsck, got a SIGINT from work, guess the sim card has to wait11:24
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entilfunny not having a phone, got an email like "did you get my sms?" ;P11:25
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arnbakmy jolla device, have entered a boot loop; Is there something I can do to get it of out that state ?11:30
Stskeepsarnbak: you're fl4f?11:31
arnbakStskeeps: yes that me11:31
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jupaja_Hi guys we are the contacts stored find / -name "contact" or "contacts" was the soulution11:35
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Stskeepsarnbak: jeg skal ned i byen de naeste 3-4 timer, bagefter vil jeg gerne hjaelpe dig med at diagnosticere11:37
Stskeepsarnbak: jul osv ;)11:37
Stskeepsarnbak: bare lad den staa slukket i mellemtiden11:37
Nicd-what is this moon language I see11:38
arnbakStskeeps: det lyder meget fornemt :-)11:38
arnbakStskeeps: jeg skal lige på en lille udflugt selv også11:39
arnbakNicd-: seems weird to you :) ?11:39
arnbakNicd-: its danish11:39
Nicd-I know :P11:39
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Venemohey11:51
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jubo2This Jolla phone better be good if I'm to cough up 399€11:53
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PnuuI'm more than happy with it11:54
jubo2In 2008 I "invested" 480€ on a NOK E75, same money woulda bought me iPhone Gs ...11:54
jubo2s/Gs/2Gs/11:54
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ShadowJKFor a not-linux phone, I liked E75, though the screen resolution was really poor at the time11:55
jubo2so that went obviously wrong..11:55
ShadowJKssh and irc was nice with the kb, though battery life was pretty horrid11:55
jubo2I told the story about the whetstone to undo the disnaiding11:55
AJAX555I just want to see more other halves d;11:56
jubo2If Jolla doesn't come with custom generic textile covers ...11:56
ShadowJKI don't mind the pattern on the back11:56
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jubo2to take the impact coz it's gonna fall at some point11:56
ShadowJKI love plastic. My plasticy samsung netbook doesn't mind if I drop it11:57
ShadowJKenough flex in the plastic and empty space inside to absorb the impact shock :)11:57
Pnuujubo2: just glue some felt in the otherhalf :-)11:58
jubo2I once dropped a NOK 1611 into the lake system Päijänne11:58
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PnuuI swam with 3110 in lake Kivijärvi11:58
Pnuuopened it up and let it dry, worked again in the evening11:59
AJAX555I dropped my 3310.11:59
jubo2Got it up, blew into the holes, stuck it in aftersauna and then the bank of the fireplace.. then couple days, boot it, it boots but the battery life is shit and theres condensed water display11:59
AJAX555lucky there was snow11:59
AJAX555but it ended up being in there for ~1h11:59
Nicd-I swam with my 6822, it didn't mind12:00
Tofeyeppee, I did usb tethering though my computer :)12:00
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jubo2I prlly told about the NOK 3650 that fell 8 stories and survived12:05
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jubo2it had optimal setting to do it ( the falling )12:05
jubo2the 1st story roof was bitumen and inclined12:05
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jubo2Judging from the crash marks it had hit the inclined roof for maximum impact energy dissipation into rotational movement thing12:06
jubo2I thought it'd not survive but it was ok, little bruises on the cast plastic, even the battery wsa in..12:07
jubo2Good it didn't rain that night... I got hold of the janitor service by only the next morning12:07
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jubo2My internal comments were: "Whoa. That _was_ my phone as I contemplated my falling phone and the eventual sound of impact.."12:13
jubo2o tempora o mores jolla genzorz12:13
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jubo2Say I was to go to a DNA shop tomorrow..12:19
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jubo2would I find a finalized produt?12:19
Pnuuno12:20
jubo2bu shi?12:20
walokrayou would find a beta product12:21
jubo2that's pinyin for "not be"12:21
Pnuubut the software evolves, and there'll be more and more apps12:21
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jubo2it syncs with calendars on any platform and able to enter cyrilic so I can read the menu and I'm prlly pretty happy camper with Jolla12:33
jubo2*if12:33
jubo2isn't there like a synchronization protocol that is prevalent or has serious prevelence potential..12:34
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Nicd-caldav?12:35
jubo2yeah.. that's prlly it12:35
Nicd-no caldav support yet12:36
jubo2bummer..12:38
jubo2ability to enter any lanuguage ?12:39
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Quuenter?12:40
jubo2Finnish, French, Russian etc.12:40
jubo2I guess it will have possiblity to enter finnish12:41
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PeperJohnnyup to 13 languages12:42
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jubo2that trio is about all I need to enter12:42
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jubo2to have a pinyin quick access kbrd would be interesting12:42
Nicd-russian, finnish and french keyboards are builtin12:42
jubo2but then again12:42
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Nicd-there's also a chinese vkb I think12:43
Nicd-I can't tell which asian language the letters are from but I think it's chinese :P12:43
jubo2"Wo men bu shi Ameri guo ren. Women shi Finn guo ren. Buyao pai!! Buyao pai!!" ~ jubo-jubo on survival mandarin12:43
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Quuok.12:45
jubo2means "We're not Americans, We're Finnish. Dont shoot!! Dont shoot!!"12:46
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jubo2In china you verbally greet your most loved ones by asking them "Ni shi fan le ma?"12:47
jubo2means en."have you eaten yet?"12:47
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jubo2apparently if they reply "bu shi" then you must get them grub immediatelly12:48
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jubo2grub costs 1€12:55
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TofeJolla phone is indeed quite hackable: in some minutes, I could tether my ethernet connection over the usb cable to the phone...12:58
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tbrwell comes with iptables :)12:59
jubo2MANGLE!12:59
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jubo2no, no, don't mangle12:59
M4rtinKgrub1 or grub2 ? ;-)12:59
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jubo2I leave the Mangle table be.. I just control the INPUT and OUTPUT tables13:00
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pesasaIs there some way to adjust alarm volume? Is it the same as ring-tone volume? Are there different kind of volume settings? Seems to scare me every morning.13:36
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nanderpity.. I still only know it will be delivered tomorrow and not at what time yet14:33
Stskeepsthere's nothing like a heartattack going to your address bar, picking the url from fedex tracking, and it saying delivered14:33
Stskeepsuntil you realize it's a old package from november14:33
nanderhaha ;)14:34
nanderThis is my first ever fedex delivery14:34
nanderI think the post in the Netherlands is quite busy14:35
nanderIt has left paris 15 hours ago14:35
ShadowJKHope I get mine on monday, it went on a detour and now looks like it's heading the right way, but in that direction also lies the "wtf do we do with this"-centre :s14:35
nander?14:36
Stskeepsi have 'departed fedex location' and it hasn't arrived anywhere yet.14:36
Stskeeps:P14:36
Stskeepssince last night14:36
nanderMine left ROISSY CHARLES DE GAULLE CEDEX FR twice14:36
Stskeepsand i'm looking for reports of crashed fedex planes14:36
Stskeeps:P14:36
nander15 hours ago14:37
nanderand 18 hours ago14:37
Pnuuone of my dx.com packages left hong kong six times14:37
tbrStskeeps: it's on a FedEx blimp, somewhere over europe ;)14:38
Pnuufedex zeppelin14:38
nanderI'd say fedex pizza delivery guy ;)14:38
nanderAre they using trucks for transport?14:38
Stskeepstbr: i do ponder about the amount of batteries and planes14:38
nanderIt took them 18 hours to get from VANTAA to paris14:39
nanderParis IS quite a detour btw ;)14:39
AJAX555fedex zeppelin called Hindenburg14:39
nanderIt has to go to the netherlands :)14:39
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tbrStskeeps: hasn't stopped me yet. I regularly travel with more than any recommended limit...14:39
nanderBut I think it's just because their network is star-shaped ;)14:39
Stskeepstbr: http://xkcd.com/651/ crosses my mind each time i go through a security check14:40
Stskeepswhat i however didn't know14:41
Stskeepshttp://blog.tsa.gov/2009/10/response-to-bag-check-cartoon.html14:41
Stskeeps:P14:41
tbrI've had pretty much naked 18650 cells (that's what is in most laptops) in both my checked and carry-on14:44
nanderchecked is not allowed14:44
nanderformally14:44
tbrsecurity check helsinki commented, as long as that's not close to a liquid container, we don't care14:44
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tbryes, reality disagrees14:45
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nanderwithin europe?14:45
tbryes14:45
nanderThey tend to be a lot more friendly then ;)14:45
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entilhehe, is it a ploy to sponsor the BSD license that all new projects start off with that one bsd-licensed example? ;)14:48
atlazhttp://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1536567_10152059593604286_1905046992_n.jpg My arcade is coming along!14:48
Stskeepsentil: we could have been evil and apl all ze things14:48
Stskeeps:P14:48
entilI like the BSD license, and I like how the built-in git didn't commit the entire initial project, so it's all ok14:48
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entillegal stuff is a bit hard, though. like am I expected now to make sure the name jolla isn't used anywhere, because this isn't an app endorsed by jolla either way14:50
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nanderatlaz - big oth14:50
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atlaznander: ha14:50
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nander Onestat: Internet Explorer 6 / Windows XP << This is hilarious15:01
nanderJollas are counting as IE6 on that counter xD15:01
Pnuu0_o15:02
Quulol15:02
nanderprobably default value15:02
nanderLet's hope IE6 usage goes up during the next months xD15:02
nanderIE6 is at 0.1% right now15:03
nanderLol, it has been around since at least 2002 xD15:03
nanderhttp://www.modern.ie/ie6countdown15:05
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nanderChina ruins the stats xD15:05
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artemmaHow do you activate WhatsApp?15:31
artemmaI saw comments about people using WhatsApp on jolla, but on my device it doesn't detect an incoming sms and I can't see any alternative way15:32
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tobiskiartemma: have you told the app to send yu the activation sms?15:38
artemmaI did. SMS detection failed. Then verification via call worked15:39
tobiskidid the same, so does it work now or can't you receive any messages from others?15:39
artemmanobody messaged me on whatsapp yet :)15:41
vegaiartemma: do you use the android version?15:41
artemmanot my main communication channel. And to my understanding on jolla I can only reply to ppl messaged me15:41
artemmayep, android one15:41
tobiskiwell I can see eeryone on my contact list who uses whatsapp15:42
tobiskiopen whatsapp and tap the second icon from right on top row15:42
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vegaihttp://openwhatsapp.org/  I guess there's some hope of getting a native version in some future15:42
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tobiskiI can select receiver just fine from that list15:44
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vegaiI wonder if there's any hope for battery usage improvements in the OS side16:05
vegaigoing from 90% to 50% over the night seems a bit bad16:05
Venemomission accomplished!16:05
Venemogot a 64GB microSD for the jolla :)16:05
vegailooks like every new mobile OS has to suffer from this...16:05
SpeedEvilvegai: The basic issue is severalfold. Can the hardware do it. Can the software do it. Are there docs for the hardware available so the community can do it, or does Jolla have to do it all alone.16:06
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vegaiSpeedEvil: yea...16:07
SpeedEvilVenemo: what's involved in getting it mounted?16:07
HarhaanJohtajathe reason to bad battery lide is nfc chip16:07
vegaiHarhaanJohtaja: that a fact? Your nick makes me wonder :P16:07
HarhaanJohtajaor ehat ever it is16:07
vegaithe other side thing?16:07
VenemoSpeedEvil: I haven't got the jolla itself yet, but Stskeeps told me that it would work; I will only have to format it to either btrfs or ext416:08
SpeedEvilah16:08
HarhaanJohtajahttp://www.matkapuhelinfoorumi.fi/threads/jolla-k%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6kokemukset.81351/page-3416:08
HarhaanJohtajaread this16:08
Venemobecause they don't support exFat or something16:08
* SpeedEvil sighs at encrypted forums.16:08
VenemoHarhaanJohtaja: could you summarize in English, please?16:08
Yanielthey can't legally16:09
HarhaanJohtajathey have removed to nfc sticker from the other half and battery life like 7 times better in idle16:09
SpeedEvillol? :/16:09
VenemoYaniel: I thought the support was in the kernel and wasn't their responsibility16:09
vegaithat's sad, especially when the other half is an almost totally useless marketing gimmick16:10
Yanielnot in mainline16:10
VenemoYaniel: ah, my wrong then16:11
SpeedEvilIt's quite possible to support exfat legally. Just not free as in beer.16:11
Venemowhat is exfat anyway? is it the same as fat32?16:11
vegaiWell, I'm gonna go ahead and try that16:11
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vegaiah, should've taken some measurements before removing the sticker16:15
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vegaioh well, I'll go by gut feeling16:15
Quualso people saying there it doesnt do shit16:15
HarhaanJohtajaeasy way to test is to use it without the other half16:15
vegaiyeah16:15
Quuits the NFC thing on phone what causes the drain16:15
Quunot the stupid sticker16:15
vegaithat makes much more sense, yes :)16:16
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vegaibut we'll see16:18
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VenemoI think the real trouble there is that jolla hasn't been able to complete the other half features. it feels kind of unfinished16:21
VenemoI'd guess the rest of it will come with software updates16:21
vegaiwhat did they promise on that?16:23
c0ck4m0u53are we really to expect another sailfish update before end of year?16:23
Quuyesd16:24
VenemoI dunno16:24
Quuprobably mostly bugfixes16:24
Venemovegai: nothing, afaik16:24
spider-mario<nander> Mine left ROISSY CHARLES DE GAULLE CEDEX FR twice16:25
spider-mario<nander> 15 hours ago16:25
spider-mario<nander> and 18 hours ago16:25
spider-mariomine stayed there 3 hours as well16:25
spider-mariobut it first arrived then departed16:25
spider-mario23 hours ago and 20 hours ago16:26
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vegaiQuu: I guess they're saying that the nfc related bug might not get triggered if there's no nfc sticker to communicate with?16:26
Quuok, how does that work?16:27
Quumagic involved too?16:27
vegaiyou're asking me? No idea whatsoever :)16:29
vegaido you have better knowledge about this issue?16:29
SpeedEvilWhat's the little rubber flap next to the SIM cover with a picture of a SIM on it for?16:30
vegaiis there even an issue?16:30
QuuSpeedEvil: its supposed to hold the simcard in place or something16:30
Venemoanyone here familiar with ext4? I've formatted the microsd to ext4 using gparted but now if I try to copy anything to it, it says "Permission denied" or "Operation not permitted"16:31
SpeedEvilWell - as a deeply stupid zeroth cut.16:31
SpeedEvilI removed my other half - unplugged and replugged battery, and rebooted16:32
SpeedEvilcurrent measured by the power meter now, instead of saying about 230mA - when logged in over ssh with the display off - shows a minimum of 10mA16:32
SpeedEvilWhich is teh equivalent of 200h battery life, not 9h.16:33
Yanielwhut16:33
spider-marioso, the other half is currently a power drain?16:33
spider-mariois that a software issue?16:33
SpeedEvilspider-mario: It could be many things.16:33
spider-marioI don’t remember seeing that problem mentioned in any review. is it new?16:33
SpeedEvilIt could in principle be anything from an unfixable hardware problem (unlikely) to a one-line fix in code. (not unlikely)16:34
Yanielbtw, atm I have 3g connectivity but it does not show a network name16:34
SpeedEvilI have not investigated online the causes of current draw - owing to trying to install my AC.16:34
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Venemoin any case, we should tell someone in jolla about this16:35
Yaniellbt might already know :P16:35
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javispedroSpeedEvil: are you measuring current on battery pins?16:36
SpeedEviljavispedro: No.16:36
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SpeedEvilawk '{print systime(),FILENAME,$0}' /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8921-charger/power_supply/battery/[^dps]*now16:36
SpeedEvilIt looks ballpark16:36
lbtYaniel: ?16:36
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javispedroSpeedEvil: I am not sure how useful is that because of suspend16:36
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vegaiQuu: You were saying?: )16:37
Yaniellbt TOH nfc and battery usage16:37
SpeedEviljavispedro: This is hitting return on the above command in a ssh shell.16:37
SpeedEviljavispedro: over wifi16:37
SpeedEviljavispedro: While in principle it may be 'wrong' because of suspend - it's right because of suspend too.16:37
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javispedroSpeedEvil: it is not representative of idle power though16:37
javispedro*necessarily representative16:38
Quuvegai: there is button on the phone what TOH presses when inserted16:38
Quuthat probably activates the NFC16:38
Quuand keeps it running16:38
SpeedEviljavispedro: It is, as current_now will be a previously sampled value. Not the immediate current over the last microsecond16:38
javispedroSpeedEvil: I doubt NFC is kept on during suspend16:38
vegaiQuu: ah, I see16:38
Venemosomething is kept on16:39
Quuvegai: you could test it by holding the NFC tag over the phone (where its supposed to be) and press the button/lever with something16:39
Quuif theme changes, thats what activates it16:39
javispedroSpeedEvil: ah, sampled -- my mistake then16:39
lbtafaik the toh detection runs for "a while"16:40
lbtless than a minute I think16:40
Jopethe switch activates the scan yes16:40
vegaiI don't claim any knowledge on how NFC works... are you saying there's no way the sticker could cause the phone's nfc to be activated even when it shouldn't?16:40
Quuvegai: no, if its not running 24/7, it does nothing16:41
Venemolbt: according to HarhaanJohtaja the device lasts noticably longer without that thing, so something must be going wrong somewhere16:41
SpeedEvilvegai: NFC is polled - the sticker cannot transmit if the circuirty in the phone doesn't ping it16:41
Yaniela bug is always a wai :P16:41
Yanielway*16:41
SpeedEvilIf there is an actual switch - there is no reason to keep NFC on, for the default halves at least.16:41
QuuSpeedEvil: there is atleast one16:42
Quuand thingie on TOH what presses the switch16:42
javispedroand I see pressing the switch triggers activity on I2C pins16:43
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nanderhttp://www.tox.im/ << this should be ported when it's ready16:50
nanderWith the rise of widespread government  monitoring programs, Tox is an easy to use application that allows you  to connect with friends and loved ones without anyone else listening in.16:50
nanderBasically skype done right ;)16:50
Yanielskype was done right at first16:51
nanderBut now it's broken16:51
javispedrothere's always a shitload of "we keep your security for you. honest, really" like programs16:51
javispedrobut I can tell you one thing: true security is many things, but it is NOT convenient16:51
nanderThat's untrue16:51
nanderI encrypted my HDD, and I don't even notice ;)16:52
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nanderthere is a seperate chip doing the decryption16:52
Venemookay, Firefox OS doesn't recognize the 64GB microSD, I really hope the Jolla will!16:52
javispedronander: a separate chip you know nothing about16:52
nanderIt does AES16:52
nanderAnd the key is mine16:52
nanderIt's a processor16:52
javispedronander: where does it store it? do you enter it every time it boots?16:52
nanderIt's stored on a special way, encrypted with my linux password16:53
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nanderAnd automatically unlocked when I login16:53
nanderI only encrypt my data16:53
nanderSo it's as convenient as a password16:53
javispedrocorrect16:53
nandertox.im can be as convenient as skype16:53
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nanderbut decentralized16:54
nanderIf tox is decentralized, if it isn't it's a failure16:54
javispedronot really unless there's key exchange in different medium16:54
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nanderYes, it uses dht16:55
nanderYou just need that key exchange to ensure that client is the only client listening16:55
nanderYou can ensure an unknown client is the only one listening by using a three-way-handshake16:55
nanderpublic-private key encryption, remember?16:56
javispedropublic-private key encryption is useless if you are not exchange keys in a separate medium, as said.16:56
nanderYou just exchange public keys16:56
nanderIt isn't16:56
nanderIt really isn't16:56
nanderBecause you can check the identity of the other in other ways16:56
javispedrolike, a separate medium.16:56
nanderFor instance, by asking him things only the other could know16:57
nanderand I know the answer of16:57
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javispedronander: no, that's stupid, and it's still insecure against MiTM.16:57
nanderIt's secured from NSA listening16:57
javispedronot really.... not even secured from the authors of this program listening.16:58
javispedroor any other user of the P2P network... in fact.16:58
nanderthe source is open16:58
nanderYou can verify the AES encryption16:58
Yanieland risky if it involves transmitting the answer16:58
nanderThat' s the beauty of AES16:58
nanderThe encryption itself is valid ;)16:59
nandertox.im uses DHT and other techniques inside the network16:59
nanderThat's how it's kept secure who's talking to who16:59
nanderbut the data itself is safe16:59
nanderAs long as AES holds16:59
javispedronander: even if the encryption is flawless, which it may be but you will never be able to verify because they're using a non-standard implementation,17:00
SpeedEvilOnce you have a reliable channel - it's trivial to ask the other end 'is your key fingerprint 388FFA...'17:00
vegaiQuu, SpeedEvil: Well, I don't know if I'm having confirmation bias or what, but the battery life seems more stable after only removing the sticker17:00
javispedronander: there's no protection at all against MitM unless key exchange is done in separate medium17:00
nanderThat's UNTRUE17:00
javispedronander: and this separate medium is were things start to become less convenient17:00
vegaii.e. has stayed at 58% for more than 15 minutes, which did not seem to happen before17:00
javispedro*where17:00
nanderYou need to exchange SOMETHING in a separate medium17:00
nanderBut not necessarily the keys17:01
nanderPublic keys are called public keys for a reason17:01
javispedroyes, the keys.17:01
nanderYou might as well put them on your homepage of your website17:01
javispedroyes.17:01
nanderDoesn't matter for a single %17:01
javispedroseparate medium.17:01
nanderThey are public17:01
nanderI'd send them to info@nsa.gov, just for fun17:01
javispedro*reliable channel* as in the words of SpeedEvil17:01
Yanielyou still have to verify who they actually belong to17:01
nanderyes17:02
nanderCall them17:02
SpeedEviljavispedro: Err - no.17:02
Yaniel>> In a separate medium17:02
nanderTell them to say 482130832117:02
nanderThat's enough17:02
SpeedEviljavispedro: If you have a channel that is transparent end-end - that's enough17:02
javispedronander: No. You have to ensure key fingerprint is correct.17:02
nanderNOO17:02
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SpeedEviljavispedro: it doesn' tmatter if it's MITMd17:02
nanderThat's the beauty17:02
Stskeepsjavispedro: re prima i hope somebody will manage to get the later oss'ed version going, we had too little time/too little support to get it working17:02
nanderMiTM is impossible, because it's public/private key17:02
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nanderOnly identity fraud is possible17:02
Stskeepsjavispedro: seems like there was a change of heart between android 4.1.2 and 4.2.x from qcom side17:03
javispedroSpeedEvil: it does -- it means that they key you think belonged to your Contact actually belongs to Intruder, who is just paraphrasing what your Contact is saying17:03
nanderthat'd work17:03
javispedroStskeeps: yeah, the module is however not entirely equivalent to the one you shipped17:04
nanderBut not if you keep a dht of all usernames and public keys17:04
nanderthat way the user has to check if his public key is right in the dht17:04
javispedroStskeeps: do you have authorization from qualcomm to distribute new ones, built with newer kernels I hope?17:04
nanderAnd a client can take care of that automatically17:04
javispedronander: so you are getting to where I wanted to -- you have to call your Contact and check if key fingerprints match.17:05
Stskeepsjavispedro: so, i don't have high hopes for us doing full kernel version upgrades (let's say, 3.4 -> 3.7) from an entire source point of view, but, we're not in a situation where we can't rebuild our kernels cos of that module17:05
lbtnander: if someone has control over your IP stream ... then what?17:05
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nanderthat's for 100% security, for 99.99% it's plenty to do it like tox.im does right now17:05
javispedronander: trading convenience for security I see :)17:05
nanderI'd be amazed if they can do that without throttling my connection17:05
lbt+1 ... but that was the point17:05
VenemoStskeeps: are you sure the jolla'll recognize this 64gb sd card? I'm starting to have doubts17:05
nanderI have 1 Gb/s up and down17:06
lbtVenemo: it will17:06
StskeepsVenemo: quite sure, i've yet to hear of any case where something didn't17:06
javispedroStskeeps: aha, I suspect that's OK for now then.17:06
Stskeepsjavispedro: it's very much the ODM model impact we're seeing here, the majority of that related work is done by an ODM17:06
nanderAnd am very close to the fiber backbone in the netherlands ;)17:06
VenemoStskeeps: eg. the firefox os device didn't recognize it17:06
lbtVenemo: it recognises anything ... it's just that non-expert users don't understand "only using certain filesystems"17:06
StskeepsVenemo: you probably need something non-exfat, naturally17:06
VenemoI formatted it to ext417:07
Venemoas you said17:07
javispedronander: It's the NSA you're talking about, they can probably overthrow your local government if the rumors are right :)17:07
lbtjavispedro: "can" ?17:07
nanderAnd the thing is all traffic is sent over a peer to peer network with a dht-like system, so it's not even really possible for the NSA to know who's talking to who17:07
nanderAnd then it's pretty damn hard to do a man in the middle attack17:07
Venemoanyway, I can totally understand that the fxos device has this limit; I just hope the jolla will really work with it17:07
javispedrolbt: "have done exactly that in the past" hehe.17:07
smokexactually its the CIA that usually does the actual government overthrowing part17:07
lbtI was pretty much thinking "have" here in the UK17:07
nanderIt's a n awful lot tougher than the skype ' we have a central server'  approach17:07
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smokexthe NSA decides its necessary17:08
javispedrobut this comes to my other part of my rant -- use Jabber, OTR encryption plugin and call it a day.17:08
javispedroit's one of the most secure options and a decade old.17:08
javispedroat least.17:08
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nanderThe thing is, that's a perfect solution17:08
nanderBut too tough for general users17:08
lbtnander: the issue here is that as Bruce says ... encryption works and making life difficult is the goal17:08
nanderHowever, tox.im isn't17:08
nanderand it's a lot tougher for the NSA to spy on17:09
nanderSo they can spy fewer people17:09
nanderwhich is kinda the point17:09
lbtnander: the other big issue is to ensure that old, captured streams cannot be decrypted if your current system is compromised17:09
lbtie fluid keys17:09
nanderI don't know if tox.im does that17:10
lbtit is something that hasn't been a major concern in the past17:10
lbtnow NSA-style organisations adopt "catch it all, analyse it later"17:10
lbtso it matters more17:10
nanderYou can always add another account and switch ;)17:10
Yanielusability? no17:11
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lbtjust mentioning it as an academic thought atm :)17:11
parasemichey17:11
nandertox.im uses session keys17:11
parasemicso now my phone has stopped waking up from doubletap at all...17:11
nanderEach session uses new public keys ;)17:11
Yanieland unless everyone changes accounts at the same time you could still track who communicates with whom17:12
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nanderThey use session keys17:12
parasemicw00t: you think i should contact dna for repair or is it a software bug. i can basically play a fingerdrum solo with the screen and it wont wake up17:12
nanderSo a compromised system isn't compromizable backwards17:12
nanderparasemic, not a drum solo, twice on the same spot17:12
Yanielparasemic: what about power button?17:13
parasemicpower button works17:13
nanderTwice on exactly the same spot17:13
parasemicyeah, i know17:13
Yanielyou are using the wrong finger then17:13
parasemicit still wont open up like 90% of the time17:13
Yaniel;)17:13
parasemicalso, my fingerdrumsolos include doubletapping to the same spot many times17:14
parasemic;)17:14
parasemicjust tried tapping the same spot until it opened.. opened up after like 20-30 taps17:14
nandermy jolla is stil at CdG17:15
nander(paris)17:15
Venemothis begs another question17:15
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nanderWell, it's still just left that17:15
Venemoif something goes wrong with my jolla, what do I do with it?17:15
nander18 hours is a long time  for no update ;)17:15
Venemois there a warranty for it?17:15
nanderOf course17:15
parasemicofc there is a warranty17:15
nanderEuropean warranty, at least 2 years17:15
nanderSo it probably is 2 years17:15
parasemici just doubt its a hardware problem, as the screen works perfectly after the device is open17:16
lbtparasemic: fyi double tap doesn't work if it's in a pocket17:16
lbt:)17:16
lbtwhy is that relevant?17:16
lbtbecause it uses the proximity sensor ... which is up near the front camera17:16
lbtso if you double-tap whilst something is 'near' it won't work17:17
lbtof course that may not be your issue - but worth checking17:17
Venemosure, but since there's no jolla store nearby, where do I take it for warranty?17:17
lbtVenemo: how did you get it to you?17:17
nanderI think you'd have to ship it17:17
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Venemolbt: it didn't (yet)17:17
nanderContact care@jolla.com AND info@jolla.com, maybe then they answer quickly ;)17:18
lbtVenemo: stop being such a pessimist then!17:18
nanderIf you just mail care@ you probably don't get an answer ;)17:18
parasemiclbt: what do you suggest on how to check it?17:18
lbtnander: yeah - they're not bad really - just got a lot of Q&A17:18
lbtparasemic: lie it on a table - double tap at the bottom without reaching over the camera17:19
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parasemicwell, when the phone stops waking up with doubletap i never have anything near the camera17:20
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parasemicit seems really inconcistent also17:20
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Yanielare you maybe touching the corner of the screen at the same time?17:20
parasemicsometimes it feels like there is no problems, and sometimes i cant wake it up for 30min without power button17:20
parasemicyaniel: no17:20
Yanielbecause that happens to me every now and then17:21
Yanieland it seems to be a bit picky about touch events in general17:21
parasemicwell, i cant check anything right now as now it seems to work once again :D17:21
nandera heisenbug?17:22
Yanielie I have to touch it just with the right force & angle etc17:22
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parasemiclbt: when i put my hand on top of the proximity sensor, like 4cm off, it wont open up17:23
parasemicwhich is obviously way too high17:23
parasemiccompering to my N9 in which the proximity sensor locks the screen if something is like 1-2cm off of it17:24
lbtparasemic: for me it seems that if I start with my hand close to the camera and raise it the threshold is different to just bringing my hand in from the side17:25
parasemicwell, if i bring my hand from the side, it wont wake up if its 4-5cm off17:26
parasemic5-6cm and then it works17:26
nanderbug found ;)17:26
lbtparasemic: keep your hand >6cm away when double tapping :)17:26
Pnuunander: was it dead or alive?17:26
Pnuuthe heisenbug ;-)17:27
nander<< parasemic found the bug17:27
lbtparasemic: was that the issue?17:27
parasemicim not sure yet17:27
parasemicim still confident the phone sometimes stops waking up even if there is nothing blocking the sensor17:27
parasemicand its got worse ever since i bought the phone17:27
lbtdouble-tap waking up?17:27
lbtor power button too ?17:27
parasemicpower button works 100%17:28
lbtok17:28
* lbt afk for a while17:28
artemmaIs there any [good] known way to sync google calendar with Jolla?17:29
Yanielno17:29
Yanielexchange does not work afaik17:29
Yanielfrom the google side17:29
nandergoogle dropped exchange support17:29
artemmano working caldav yet?17:29
Yanielcaldav is not yet in sailfish17:29
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nandernot yet ..17:29
niceduckhi there. Anyone got MfE working with OnPremises Exchange ?17:30
Yanielnow that is a fine bird17:31
parasemichmm, seems like the phone wont open up if i tap near the edge of the screen17:31
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parasemicor does, maybe, sometimes :D17:32
parasemicbtw wasnt together.jolla.com supposed to open this week17:33
nandernext week17:33
nanderor rather this week17:33
nanderthis sunday - next saturday17:33
nanderformally17:33
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Pnuuweeks start on monday ;-)17:33
nandersunday17:33
niceduckhehee. monday17:33
Pnuuin finland on monday17:33
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niceduckindeed17:33
nanderinternationally, the standard is sunday17:34
Pnuuinternationally, there are too many standards17:34
nanderIt's just christians fubarred by saying sunday is the resting day17:34
niceduckanywa, I think jolla MfE lack possibility to fallback to URL https://<ActiveSyncServerURL>/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync to get correct settings17:34
nanderthe jews still have saturday as the resting day17:34
nanderhttp://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/17:35
nanderclick on your calendar in your os17:35
nanderwhich day is on the left side?17:35
HarhaanJohtajaAccording to the traditional Christian, Islamic and Hebrew calendars, it is the second day of the week. But according to international standard ISO 8601 it is the first day of the week.17:35
Pnuunander: depends17:35
Raimnander: internationally, the standard is actually Monday, defined by ISO 860117:36
nanderFuck iso17:37
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Yanielniceduck: yep, and I heard there are cert issues as well17:38
niceduckwith valid verisign CA certs ?17:39
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YanielI don't know details17:39
niceduckCert issues I have struggled with N900/N9 and verisign new intermediate certs, but those I can hande17:40
arnbakStskeeps: back from christmas shopping :-)17:40
nanderAt least the n9 was able to connect to wpa enterprise networks...17:40
niceduckBUT, even N9 had hard coded :433 on activesync URL, which made loadbalancer configuration little more complex =)17:41
niceducktypaclly L7 LBR had just main URL for HTTPS, *without* 443 port17:41
niceduckand when client has hard coded port on URL --> LBR much have separate L7 content just to serve that client17:42
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niceduck"/emailserver.domain.com/* <> /emailserver.domain.com:443/*"17:43
niceduckfunny enough, old Symbians and even iToys don't use port numbers on HTTPS URL's ;)17:45
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niceduckSo, if anyone can provide ag-tool list-settings for working MfE profile, I could try make working account for myself and write step-by-step instructions17:47
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niceduckwithout native tcpdump, have to setup web-proxy and tune LBR to get initial wizard go thru17:49
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lbtniceduck: or install it17:50
niceduckinstall what ?17:50
lbttcpdump17:50
niceduckhow, where ?17:50
lbtssu er mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install tcpdump17:50
niceduckahh, dev repo =)17:51
lbtdev mode, tools repo, yes17:51
niceduckok, muct enable it then ^^17:51
lbtdev mode is basically "let me treat this device like a linux box"17:51
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niceduckyes17:52
niceduckbut as I come from redhat world, I am usually carefull with something I am not falimiliar, like this pkcon17:53
lbtpkcon install zypper :)17:53
lbtbut really it's better to just use pkcon as all our testing is done using it17:53
niceducknaturally17:54
niceduckhmm, dev repo needs registration ....17:55
lbt?17:55
lbtdo you have a jolla account ?17:55
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niceduckI have17:55
lbtit needs that17:55
niceduckok17:55
lbtbut should need nothing else17:55
lbtand don't touch 'allow developer updates'17:56
niceduckhehee, ok17:56
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niceducklbt, seems I cannot get ssu repo enabled =(18:03
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SpeedEvilIs it ssu r first - to register? Or is this done through the GUI in sme manner I'm missing.18:09
niceduckhmm, I think Playstore install makes this not working18:10
lbtniceduck: ssu lr18:10
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niceduckall ssu command output starts with : [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist18:10
niceduckwhich I wild quess is because I have Google Play installed/enabled18:11
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lbtlpotter: Aard: ^^18:11
lbtno, it's not that18:11
niceduckah, ok18:11
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lbtdinner calls .. l8r all o/18:12
niceduckoh, and indeed, I only have wi-fi, no sim card18:12
SpeedEvilIs 'ssu r' needed before accessing the dev repos, and should the password that works to login to https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ work? Apologies for silly questions - only partially awake.18:15
niceduckhmmm, ssu r gives me failure, even web site goes ok18:18
SpeedEvil''18:18
SpeedEvilhttps://account.jolla.com/devices says my device is registered.18:19
javispedroSpeedEvil: have never run 'r' since I got the device, and 'status' says I'm not registered18:19
javispedroeverything works18:19
SpeedEvilk18:19
javispedrono idea what that `registration' is, possibly sth internal.18:19
niceduckhehee18:19
niceduckon web, I only get my profile, no word of device18:20
javispedroniceduck: I think that just logging in to the store once is enough to get the device listed there18:20
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niceduckahhaa, this device was on my collegue 1 day, so perhaps device is still connected to his account18:20
niceduckah, no, just noticed dropdown list, and I can device under my account there18:21
niceduck*see*18:21
niceduckhmm, perhaps I found reason ... stay tuned18:24
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SpeedEviljavispedro: pykon install tcpdump works?18:31
javispedroSpeedEvil: tcpdump is not on my current set of repos18:32
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faeniljavispedro, yes, internal (ssu r)18:35
faenilniceduck, ^18:35
faenilSpeedEvil, ^18:35
niceducksup ?18:36
SpeedEvilfaenil: ah18:36
niceduckMy repos went likely messed, as I passed wrong password on 1st devel-repo enable18:36
SpeedEvilssu r does not work for me - returns error.18:37
SpeedEvilh - right18:37
SpeedEvilnvm18:37
niceducksame here; returns Host requires authentication18:37
* SpeedEvil failed to parse.18:37
faenilniceduck, as long as ssu status returns sales you should be okay18:38
niceduckEnabled repositories (global):18:38
niceduck - adaptation0 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/18:38
niceduck - adaptation1 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/18:38
niceduck - aliendalvik ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/aliendalvik/SbJ/18:38
niceduck - apps        ... https://releases.jolla.com/jolla-apps/1.0.1.12/armv7hl/18:38
niceduck - eas         ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/1.0.1.12/eas/armv7hl/18:38
niceduck - hotfixes    ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/hotfixes/armv7hl/18:38
niceduck - jolla       ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla/armv7hl/18:38
SpeedEvilssu status does not return sales here. 'not registered'18:39
faenilsorry ssu domain18:39
niceduckDevice registration status: not registered18:39
faenilssu domain18:39
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niceduckDevice domain is currently: sales18:39
SpeedEvilThat indeed does return sales18:39
faenilokay18:40
faenilyou should be okay18:40
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faenilwhat's the issue?18:40
niceducknow, as I read talk.maemo.org forums ... It seems, I need to delete /etc/ssu/ssu.ini, reload factory defaults twise, then update backto current release and then it could work18:40
SpeedEvil<lbt> ssu er mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install tcpdump18:41
SpeedEvil- I'm wondering wht else I need to setup in order for the last step to work.18:41
niceduckI caanot activate devel-repo to install tcpdump18:41
faenilniceduck, which devel-repo18:41
Pnuumer-tools18:41
niceduckthat ssu er mer-tools18:41
faenilyou can't enable the devel-repo which are in "developer mode" settings18:41
faenilah ok18:41
faenilwhat is the issue with that?18:42
niceduckI cannot get MfE working18:42
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faenilniceduck, I mean, what's the issue with adding mer-tools18:42
niceduckI need tcpdump to debug MfE active-sync logic18:42
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SpeedEvilah, right. I thought lbt was implying tht developer mode settings and 'repos with tcpdump and interesting stuff' were different.18:42
niceduckI just doesn't work18:42
javispedroSpeedEvil: seems that ssu er does not do error checking; "ssu er this-repo-does-not-exist" 'works'.18:42
niceduck[root@localhost ssu]# ssu er mer-tools18:43
niceduck[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist18:43
niceduck"18:43
javispedroniceduck: reboot18:43
SpeedEviljavispedro: yeah - I just realised that.18:43
faenilniceduck, come on, steps and error msgs, if you want help :D18:43
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faenilniceduck, not sure you should worry about that connman18:43
javispedrohe probably crashed connman18:43
niceduckthen pkcon refresh18:44
niceduck[root@localhost ssu]# pkcon install tcpdump18:44
niceduckCommand failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find tcpdump18:44
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* faenil goes check one thing18:44
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faenilokay so, tcpdump is in mer-tools18:45
faenilwhich is a public repo18:45
niceduckah, ok18:45
niceduckperhaps reboot indeed is needed18:45
faenilniceduck, so, what is the problem with "ssu ar mer-tools"18:45
faenilniceduck, not er, ar18:45
niceduckIt returns that "odd"" message, like all ssu commands18:46
SpeedEvilfaenil: it does not result in it being added and showing up in lr18:46
SpeedEvilfaenil: The above odd errors do not occur for me.18:46
niceduck[root@localhost ssu]# ssu lr18:46
niceduck[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist18:46
niceduck"18:46
niceduckand then normal output18:46
faenilSpeedEvil, what about "ssu ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/ mer-tools"18:46
Pnuudoes `ssu` need root permissions?18:47
SpeedEvilThat has added a repository of that name18:47
niceduckanyway, making reboot on device to see, if anything changes18:47
faenilSpeedEvil, now "ssu ur" and then try installing tcpdump18:47
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SpeedEvilI tried pkcon refresh18:48
SpeedEvilwhich is proceeding18:48
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SpeedEvil[root@localhost nemo]# tcpdump -h18:50
SpeedEviltcpdump version 4.4.018:50
SpeedEvilWoohoo.18:50
SpeedEvilMany thanks faenil lbt.18:50
jupajahad anyone luck to add cacert ?18:50
faenilSpeedEvil, okay good :) so it worked for you18:50
* SpeedEvil writes that down for others.18:50
faenilSpeedEvil, np18:50
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SpeedEvilfaenil: Disabled repositories (user):18:51
SpeedEvil - home ... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/18:51
SpeedEvilIs this relevant - or dangerous - or irrelevant.18:51
faenilSpeedEvil, ignore18:51
SpeedEvilk18:51
faenilit's everywhere, irrelevant ;)18:51
SpeedEvil'these are not the repositories you are looking for'18:51
faenil:)18:52
niceduckbtw, should repos be activated root or user ?18:52
javispedroSpeedEvil: enable it and then run pkcon install *nsa* :)18:52
faenilguess root18:52
niceduckaye, I like root to all on platform, altought, there might be -s- flags on programs18:53
Venemoso obviously, those are the repositories you are looking for18:53
SpeedEvilI did it as root.18:54
niceduckaye18:54
Pnuuhonebadger! those are cool animals18:55
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niceducksuperchuckens18:55
niceduck*superchickens*18:55
Venemohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeybadger18:56
niceduckwe had those as disguiced dragons, and *YET* they were easiers than *ANY* badger *OR* penguin18:56
Aard`/win 8818:56
jupajais ist just me or is the store down?18:58
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Pnuujupaja: opened for me19:00
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jupajaokay19:00
niceduckfenil ; wohoo, ssu ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/ mer-tools *ATLEAST* made mer-tools wisible on enabled repos \o/19:01
faenilniceduck, okay good :)19:02
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niceduck*AND* now, fiunally tcpdump is installed !19:03
niceduckTHANK YOU faenil !19:04
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faenilniceduck, np19:04
SpeedEvilAnd powertop. Powertop is a bit unhappy that it's not a x86 system though :)19:05
niceduckas people comes and goes, I repeat ; if anyone has working MfE profile, I could use it to make instruction base on OnPremises SETUP !?19:05
niceduckIf none has, than I go hard way, and tcpdump MfE wizzard, try to tune LBR to fullfit wizzard needs and hopefully get working setup19:06
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CoderCandyI soo wanna be able to track the GPS coordinates of my package in real time...19:07
niceduckI so want to get Mfe work all time, as without it, this won't ever become company phone19:08
artemmaDoes Jolla have offline maps? I thought I've heard Here maps can be offline, but I can't see how19:08
Pnuuniceduck: or replace M$ mailsystems..19:09
niceduckYeah, I used to operate Oracle Beehive, but quess what; that freaking exchange is everywhere19:10
niceduckIf jolla wish to see another day, Corporate user needs must be satiesfied19:11
niceduckEven I hate every single bit coming from M$ heaven, even I must admit, they rule the world atm19:12
SpeedEvilniceduck: to be fair - they made some nice mice.19:12
VenemoI've just found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Wjr14ujqg - made me laugh19:13
niceduckNone of those were suitable on my hand =)19:13
SpeedEvilartemma: I can't see how to enable any map saving if it was indeed available19:14
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Fryeartemma, In theoru they can be offline maps. I believe the maps are in such a format.19:14
FryeHowever currently it is not supported I believe19:15
SpeedEvilSaved maps can be very, very expensive to provide.19:15
artemmaexploring yandex maps, there should be a way to take them offline..19:15
SpeedEvilIn terms of licence fees.19:15
* artemma is traveling to Saint-Petersburg in two days19:15
SpeedEvilartemma: Openstreetmap in principle may be helpful.19:15
niceduckMy Nexus 7 can DL maps from Google Play to be used offline ....19:16
SpeedEvilHowever, I don't know if it's got decent coverage in the area.19:16
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SpeedEvilniceduck: in a limited manner.19:16
niceduckok19:16
niceduckI do not know facts, my area of expertise is totally else where =)19:16
javispedrowhat a pity about the fmradio19:17
niceduckI like idea of front-end of Jolla, it is so near with N9, I had 10 minutes learning19:18
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niceduckIf I ever get real qwerty on it, it will be my 1st choise. N900 had it, Comminucator 9500 had it19:20
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niceduckOne just cannot restart whole datacenter while driving using virtual keyboard19:20
niceduckdone that too many times with communicator and N900 =)19:21
Pnuualias k='reboot_datacenter.sh'19:22
niceduckAh, yes ... WE need proper VPN software also19:22
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niceduckPnuu, not that easy19:22
niceduckCisco AnyConnect or similar is must19:23
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niceduckeven I prefer IPSec over SSL, SSLVPN is today19:24
artemmaJolla keyboard language switch is pretty cool.. if you need to switch between a dozen of languages. Not so cool when you need just 2-319:25
lbtniceduck: sorry, ssu is always interesting :)19:26
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niceducklbt; no worries, trouble was solved, thanks to faenil19:27
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lbtniceduck: I think you may have done it slightly wrong19:27
lbtcan you confirm what ssu lr tells you19:28
lbtfor mer-tools19:28
lbtit should be: mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/19:28
niceduckmer-tools ... http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/19:28
lbtthat's wrong :)19:28
lbtsu ssu rr mer-tools19:28
niceduckah, ok19:28
lbtthen ssu ar mer-tools19:28
lbtssu was written by a very 'special' person so the usage is interesting19:28
niceduckwill do19:28
niceduckhehe =)19:29
lbtit has the concept of 'enable' and 'disable' repos19:29
lbtit also has some built-in repos19:29
niceduckaye, like yum has19:29
lbtnot all of them are used by default19:29
faenillbt, I gave him the mer-tools devel repo, because ssu ar mer-tools wasn't working for him19:29
lbtso you'd expect to 'enable' a built in repo that's not in use...19:30
lbtbut no, you add it ...19:30
Quuover 900019:30
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lbtfaenil: that's really odd19:30
javispedrolbt: ssu er does not complain about non-existing repos19:30
lbtjavispedro: I know, sweet isn't it :)19:30
lbtniceduck: just do "ssu ar mer-tools" ... ssu takes an undocumented form of ar which looks in builtins first19:31
niceduckthat is not sweet at all =)19:31
lbtdon't say such things!19:31
niceduckI meant that not compain of non-existet repo message19:32
faenil<faenil> okay so, tcpdump is in mer-tools19:32
faenil<faenil> which is a public repo19:32
faenil<faenil> niceduck, so, what is the problem with "ssu ar mer-tools"19:32
faenil<niceduck> ah, ok19:32
faenil<niceduck> perhaps reboot indeed is needed19:32
faenil<faenil> niceduck, not er, ar19:32
faenil<niceduck> It returns that "odd"" message, like all ssu commands19:32
lbtno, I know...19:32
lbtto be fair the odd error is probably coming from another tool19:32
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faenilsure, it's connman19:33
lbtniceduck: so doing "ssu ar mer-tools" then "ssu lr" should show mer-tools using ^^^ jolla.com url19:33
javispedrofaenil: I suspect he also crashed connman as that message not only does not appear here, but connman does export GetProperties..19:34
niceduckaye, moment19:34
faeniljavispedro, sure, that's likely19:35
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lbtjavispedro: we think it's related to connman changing AP or similar19:36
lbtmore of a #mer level thing though19:36
javispedroevery time he invokes the message? ;)19:36
javispedro*the program, I mean.19:36
lbtno connman gets into a state19:36
lbtmine does it too19:36
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niceduckHAHA, I din't press Y on original install message for tcpdump, so now going all over again19:41
CraigAmy only complaint so far with this device19:44
CraigAis the battery life is terrible19:44
* javispedro gives up on fmrx for today19:45
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FryeCraigA, I keep hearing that about battery life, but when I compare it with my iPhone 5 it's similar on both19:45
WaiteeCraigA: same + the lack of apps19:45
CraigAFrye I'm just comparing it to my N9 battery life19:46
FryeBefore the first update I had to keep location turned off though19:46
FryeYeah, iPhone 5 sucks do I dare to say what on battery life compared to my wifes N9 :D19:46
CraigAWaitee apps will come. and Android app availability curbs some of the want19:46
CraigAI'm also stuck on 2G until the LTE update comes out19:46
FryeBut that seems to be the norm nowadays what comes to battery19:46
WaiteeCraigA: yep and software updates will have some impact on battery life19:47
CraigAFrye unfortunately :/19:47
CraigAWaitee agreed19:47
FryeBut I hope there will be some improvements on battery later on19:47
FryeThey did have to change the SoC chip and who knows what else last June19:47
CraigAI'm just lucky that my provider LTE runs on the same bands as DNA19:47
FryeSo I bet that did not help with the optimization...19:47
Waiteeand since we have TOH it's possible and fairly easy to get a bigger battery over time19:47
HarhaanJohtajatake of the other half and battery life might be better19:47
CraigAWaitee very good point19:48
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Waiteei want a 3d printer19:48
Waitee:319:48
CraigAme too19:48
FryeWaitee, me too19:48
CraigAhah19:48
Pnuumtoo19:49
FryeProlly Jolla should start selling those aswell on their store :D19:49
CraigAI might be the only person in my country with a Jolla, hard to say tho19:49
FryeAs TOH's :D19:49
FryeJust plug in your jolla and print19:49
Pnuujollator 3d19:49
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lbtCraigA: what country ?19:51
CraigACanada19:51
niceducklbt: it shows mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/ but yet pkcon install tcpdump19:51
niceduckCommand failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find tcpdump19:51
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Pnuuniceduck: did you do pkcon refresh ?19:51
lbt^^19:51
niceduckI did19:52
lbtCraigA: :)19:52
lbtniceduck: do it again19:52
niceduckanyway, I have early wake-up on morning, this is not critical19:52
Waiteei really should start learning to use sailfishos sdk19:52
lbt:)19:52
CraigAlbt: it was a helluva lot easier getting the Jolla than getting the N9 though19:52
niceduckhmm, do what again ?19:52
lbtWaitee: it's easy19:52
lbtniceduck: refresh19:52
Waiteelbt: i've heard19:53
lbtCraigA: I didn't think we shipped there... well done :)19:53
niceduckpkcon refresh ?19:53
lbtyes19:53
CraigAthey don't. I had to get it shipped to the UK and then forwarded to me19:53
niceduckgoining19:53
CraigAstill easier than getting the N9 though19:53
CraigAand as promised, I had my Jolla by Christmas :D19:53
Waitee:D19:54
Waiteegot the limited edition toh too?19:54
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CraigAit didn't come with the packaging19:54
niceduckI would to rule jolla over iToy / M$phone as corporate rule, but I must get basics working =)19:54
CraigAand I told my aunt not to wait for it19:54
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CraigAcause I wanted the device asap :P  I'll get it tho. When I do, I'll probably do the wireless charging hack with the LE TOH19:55
Waiteeimho the other half concept as theme changer is quite stupid :D19:56
CraigAyeah, not my cup of tea19:56
CraigAi figure the theme changer is just to give it _some_ functionality on launch19:56
Waiteeadded stuff like wireless charging or hw keyboard is a nice thing19:56
CraigAso it isn't just a vaporware kinda thing19:57
CraigAi'm looking forward to a hw keyboard if one surfaces on TOH19:57
Waiteei think they overhyped toh19:57
CraigAI missed that most on my switch from the N900 to the N919:57
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cvphello19:57
Waiteehi19:57
niceduckHW keyboard is must for serious corporate phone19:57
CraigAhey cvp19:58
CraigAi agree niceduck19:58
Pnuuniceduck: and how many such phones are currently available..?19:58
Waiteei never had a phone with hw qwerty19:58
niceduckNokia Communicator and N90019:59
CraigAthe n900 was a dream at the time19:59
Waiteeexcept for the usb connector19:59
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CraigAi used to love screwing around with TVs in sports bars19:59
CraigAwith the IR port19:59
Waiteelol :D19:59
Pnuuniceduck: not really current phones :-P19:59
niceduckN900 was last phone I could actually do my work19:59
FireFlyPnuu: does the E7 count as "currently available"?20:00
Waiteehtc desire Z was nice20:00
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niceduckE7 doesn't have qwerty keyboard, so it doens't coult20:01
CraigAniceduck same for me. I couldn't do anything on the N920:01
Waiteeniceduck: it does20:01
Waiteen8 doesnt20:01
CraigAthe n900 i used to vpn in to work, rdp into servers, reboot, etc. the n9 took longer to do that than driving to the office20:01
niceduckCraigA; excatly20:01
Waiteehttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1poaFEy-LajvO-IX7XdyWpmyU5qbKGVDaxa2rermBKiF6-W-NQw20:01
Waiteethat's e720:02
FryeBtw, has anyone set up openvpn on Jolla yet?20:02
PnuuFireFly: is it still sold somewhere new?20:03
FireFlyProbably not20:03
cvphttp://www.amazon.de/Keymate-iPhone-4S-Bluetooth-Tastatur/dp/B004W4HVFC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1387742480&sr=8-3&keywords=Bluetooth+Tastatur+iphone20:03
FireFlyniceduck: yes it does, I used one up until last week :P20:03
cvpbuy this, kick the iphone case, and screw it with your other half... finish20:04
Waiteeactually the biggest negative on jolla at the moment is that i cant use my camera with whatsapp :(20:04
niceducklbt: second time  ssu ar mer-tools; ssu lr ; pkcon install tcpdump = now it went again ok, and I finally got it installed20:04
FryeHmm, there seems to be openvpn and vpnc available in the repos...20:04
lbtniceduck: good20:04
cvpwaitee ... make a photo with your foto app, and dthan put it in whats app20:04
lbtFrye: yes indeed20:04
FireFlyhmm20:04
niceducklbt: THANK YOU !20:04
Fryelbt, have you tested those?20:04
Waiteecvp: whatsapp doesnt find new pictures taken with the camera app20:05
lbtFrye: define tested20:05
Waiteei need to reboot jolla and sometimes even that won't help20:05
FryeWell installed & managed to get it connected to usable state :D20:05
lbtFrye: they're linux packages :)20:05
CraigAdo you gents think it a wise assumption that the 2600/7 LTE band will be supported upon the LTE update?20:05
FryeI'm just wondering if I dare to install & try them out20:06
niceduckI did once reboot server via N9, while driving on 4AM ... it was pain ...20:06
cvpwaitee i test iit now and it works  !!!!20:06
Waiteeweird20:06
FryeI mean holidays are coming and a reflash would not be easy :D20:06
lbtFrye: feel free - it's on my TODO list20:06
Waiteemy whatsapp finds photos taken like 3 days ago20:06
Waiteebut not for example yesterdays photos20:06
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lbtFrye: the main issue is probably accessing them if you're ssh'ing in ... but we have fingerterm :)20:07
cvpwhat i hate is, that email sending is not working, no swype keyboard and no apps like whats app what is ported to sailfish/mer20:07
Fryeyeah20:07
niceduckI got tcpdump installed, YAY. to sleep now, tomorrow early awake to work. WILL debug MfE during holidays20:07
Fryeand tbh I don't really need the vpnc20:07
Fryebecause when I need the vpn I need the fingerterm anyway20:07
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Waiteealso the fingerterm keyboard is awful :D20:08
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FryeK, installing openvpn20:08
Fryelet's hope for no smoke20:08
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FryeIt IS working20:20
FryeI'm connected with openvpn20:20
ibinsFrye: What did you do to achive this?20:20
Fryepkcon install openvpn20:21
FryeSet up config20:21
Fryeand openvpn --config my.conf20:21
FryeVery basic and by no means automated20:21
Fryebut the connection is open and I can access my server through vpn20:21
CraigAI'm going out to pick up a 64gb microsd20:21
ibinsFrye: You activated some repos first? My pcmon just sits there and says "network status=online"20:22
FryeI have mer-tools repo also enabled20:22
ibinsFrye: Ah!20:22
lbtFrye: good - I started a vpn app recently to do that20:23
Fryethat was ssu ar mer-tools I think. Someone else most likely remembers this better20:23
Fryelbt nice20:23
Fryelet me know if I can be of any help20:23
lbtFrye: I'm not sure we'll be allowed to add it to store - I'll ask20:23
lbtcan't see any real reason why not though20:23
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FryeWell Meego OBS might be an option too20:24
Fryeif store is not allowed :D20:24
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FryeAnyway yeah, I am now merrily checking through my backup server status and everything looks good.20:25
lbtMer OBS ... we already have one there20:25
Fryeon my JOLLA!20:25
FryeAh20:25
Fryesorry I don't know OBS that well.20:25
FryeThat alredy available is what I ment20:25
lbtnp .. meego one died some time ago20:25
lbthttps://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10#20:25
cvphope there will fix hugh bugs this month20:28
FryeWell I hope some bugfixes too, but I also hope they can have some holidays too.20:28
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cvpi dont think, that all worker are programmer20:29
FryeWell I believe everyone has had their hands full. And deserve a break over the holidays. Although I do miss some features :D20:30
cvpall have a way for his working. Think all Pre order package are sending... the bigest work is done20:30
FryeAnyway Mrs calling. So movie time it is20:30
Frye(with my vpn enabled Jolla)20:30
lbt*g*20:30
Waitee:D20:31
shanttuhow to restart/kill alien dalvik?20:32
nanderkill any android app?20:33
nanderby swiping down?20:33
nanderstill not arrived.20:33
nanderIt has been travelling for 24 hours now20:33
nanderfedex.....20:33
nanderstill no estimated arrival time, but it is still claimed it arrives tomorrow20:34
Aardshanttu: systemctl restart aliendalvik.service as root20:34
shanttuAard, thanks20:35
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Waiteegotta try that20:39
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Waiteehow do i change the root password?20:40
cvphello peakki20:40
cvppasswd root20:41
cvpmaybe20:41
Waiteeonly the administrator can change the password20:41
PnuuWaitee: from the developer mode settings20:41
Waiteeokay20:41
WaiteePnuu: thanks20:42
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Waiteei can change the normal user password when accessed via ssh20:45
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Waiteebut cant find an option to change root password20:47
sremesyou can use devel-su to become root, and then change root's with passwd, I'd imagine20:48
Stskeepsdevel-su is the way in, though20:48
cvpthe Music app doesnt show mp3 in sdcard.20:57
cvpso many bugs20:58
Pnuuis the card mounted?20:59
cvpyes, because i see in galarie my pictures what are saved on sdcard20:59
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cvpbut i have the mp3s in other folders like /sdcard/music/top10/*.mp321:03
TriztI hooked on my nokia handsfree from my N900, when playing mp3 they all were distorted, when I got a call, the jolla mp3 sound really fine. Du I unplug the hadsfree, then it plays it well too21:06
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parasemici just realised the speaker on Jolla is surprisingly good. even far superior comparing to iPhone etc21:18
nander25 hours to go from Charles de gaulle to ????21:19
nanderDoesn't fedex move on sunday?21:19
Waiteeyeah it aint bad for a phone speaker21:19
nanderA phone speaker is just for street thugs and some calls21:20
nanderNot for music, videos, etc. ;)21:20
SpeedEvilThe n900 speakers seem better to me.21:22
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nanderthe n900 was a bloody masterpiece..21:22
nanderGet over it ;)21:22
nanderOnce in every generation there is a chosen one..21:23
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Waiteeneo900 would be cool21:24
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parasemicnanader: and what makes you think im not a street thug?21:25
parasemicnander*21:25
ShadowJKN810 speakers were even better imo, but the audio circuitry was pants21:25
Waiteeparasemic: you are chatting on #jollamobile21:26
parasemicand?21:26
Waiteeit makes you a bloody nerd and you know it :D21:26
parasemiccan't a street thug be a closet nerd?21:26
Waiteeno.21:26
Waiteex)21:26
parasemicgoddamnit.21:26
parasemicmy hopes and dreams, all crushed by a single comment on irc21:26
Waiteeyeah i know21:27
Waiteei wanted to be a street thug once too :(21:27
Waiteebut then i found about irssi21:27
parasemictho i think everyone here will hate me for using windows21:28
parasemicfeels a bit hipster21:28
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Waiteeim using windows 821:29
Waiteenothing wrong with this except that it isnt linux21:29
parasemicwell, how about the horrible gui?21:29
nanderparasemic, you're using irc21:29
nanderthe only place where hashtags aren't totally ridiculous21:30
Waiteeparasemic: well it's the same as on win721:30
Waiteethe "metro ui" thing is just a bit too glued21:30
parasemicnoshit?21:31
parasemicout of principle i will never install W821:31
Waitee:D21:31
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Waiteethis runs smoother than win721:31
Waiteeand everything opens faster21:31
parasemicdoesnt matter. also there seems to be a bug with mouse tracking in win821:31
Waiteewhat kinda?21:32
nanderit seems my n9 just gave up on me21:33
nanderit seems it died21:33
nanderif only I could remove the battery and put it back in again...21:34
parasemicmy N9 has been dying for months now21:34
nanderit' s a live....21:34
nanderbut barely21:34
parasemicwaitee: in gaming section i hear there are pretty bad issues with mouse lag21:35
nanderthere should be a fix for tht21:35
Waiteei've heard of problems with steelseries mice on win8.121:35
parasemicsteelseries mice are horrible crap, tho21:35
parasemicexcluding the new rival, from what i hear21:36
nanderI have a g500 :D21:36
Waiteei've had sensei and ikari laser21:36
Waiteenothing to complain about21:36
nanderlogitech :D21:36
parasemicwell, i doubt you have played on a very high level competitively, then :D21:36
parasemicalso, laser mice are just crap21:36
Waiteelogitech mice are nice but the customization software sucks21:36
Waiteeparasemic: no i havent21:37
nanderI use linux21:37
nanderSo I can't use that software anyway21:37
nanderI use it as a desktop mouse21:37
nanderBecause I find it comfy21:37
parasemici use zowie, it has no drivers..21:37
nanderAnd it has the logitech wheel ;)21:37
nanderThe flywheel :D21:37
Waiteethe flywheel is cool21:37
nanderit' s brilliant21:37
nanderI don't want a mouse without that one anymore21:38
nanderWell, as long as you don't buy razr ;)21:38
Waiteemy keyboard is razer21:38
Waiteeblackwidow ultimate21:38
SpeedEvilDoes anyone happen to know of a suitable screen protector?21:38
nanderMy keyboard is hp ;)21:38
nanderHP very old :D21:38
nander2002 or so21:38
WaiteeSpeedEvil: dont21:38
parasemici would never touch anything with a razer logo. except deathadder maybe21:38
nanderdeathadder sucks21:38
nanderNo dpi switch21:38
Waiteeparasemic: i just love the cherry mx blue keys21:39
nanderI'm gonna buy a better keyboard once I know which one21:39
Waiteethough if i'd choose now i'd buy a ducky keyboard21:39
parasemicwaitee: yeah but the overall build quality is horrible comparing to "real" mechanicals21:39
parasemici was just saying i have fucky.. :D21:39
parasemicducky*21:39
nanderwhat prize are those things?21:39
parasemicthis was around 160e21:39
Waiteeparasemic: true but also the price is 100e and not 150e21:39
nandermine was free ;)21:40
Waiteemy blackwidow was 100e21:40
nanderNot really suited to gaming though21:40
Waiteei got a keytronic before21:40
parasemic50e is small money when ducky can last 10 years and has far superior build quality overall21:40
nanderit has a very old matrix style detection system ;)21:40
Waiteei just got it for the mx blue21:40
parasemici prefer brown21:41
pp_n900... usb... connector... *cough*21:41
pp_but yep, loved mine :-)21:41
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Waiteemy gf hates the blues21:42
Waiteesays it's too loud21:42
nanderit probably is ;)21:42
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Waiteenander: i still love it ;)21:43
parasemicwaitee: if i cant be a street thug then you cant have a girlfriend! bloody nerd21:43
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Waiteedamnit21:45
Waiteewell it's almost a wife21:45
Waiteei've heard nerds can have wives21:45
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AL13N_lizzyi'm not a nerd, though i have a wife (and 2 kids)21:48
AL13N_lizzyi'm a geek21:48
AL13N_lizzygeek == highly intellectual person who's interested in techie stuff21:49
AL13N_lizzynerd == loser with glasses that thinks he's smart, but is a PITA21:49
AJAX555I still wonder where I belong to haha21:50
AL13N_lizzygeeks can be street thugs too21:50
AL13N_lizzyor rather street thugs can be geeks too21:50
AL13N_lizzy>_>21:50
AL13N_lizzyoh well21:50
AL13N_lizzynight all21:50
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WaiteeAL13N_lizzy: my bad, in finnish language theres no separate words for geek and nerd21:53
AJAX555geeknerd!21:54
Waitee"nörtti"21:54
nanderFinnish21:54
nanderso21:54
nandergaaknard ;).21:54
nanderDon't forget the random a's21:54
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parasemicgoddamnit i hate the fact i have to go to work tomorrow -.-21:55
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nanderme too..21:55
nanderAnd I have to be at home ;)21:55
AJAX555no need to go anywhere \o/21:56
parasemicbtw, has anyone here tested how much does the removing ncf sticker actually help battery life?21:56
celeron55i was thinking about testing that but haven't yet done it21:57
Waiteei thought the phone only scans the tag when you connect TOH21:57
parasemicwell there seems to be a bug with it21:58
parasemicsomeone was talking about disconnecting TOH by terminal so you dont have to remove the sticker physically21:58
celeron55started now: battery at 66%, removed TOH21:58
celeron55i will know at morning 8)21:59
celeron55)actually 65%)21:59
celeron55(*21:59
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parasemicim off to bed, nights22:04
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Waiteeme too22:08
Waiteenight22:08
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artemmaMaps keep showing distance in miles. Does anymody know how to switch to metric? Or does it get it from location?22:39
ln-from UI language, as far as i've heard22:40
tbrI think it's a l10n thing22:40
tbrand yes, that sucks22:41
ln-who wouldn't like miles22:41
Quusomeone changed locales22:41
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lbtartemma: the maps 'units' is a known issue. It uses the locale but that's not always sensible. Eg using English whilst in EU you may want to see units in km23:28
Fryeartemma, http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/23:30
FryeI have not tried this myself yet though23:30
artemmaFrye, thx23:30
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artemmathere were instructions for deploying to device from QtCreator somewhere, right?23:48
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artemmanever mind, it looks like I figured it out in the wizards23:53

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