#jollamobile log for Friday, 2013-12-27

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KabouikIs anyone working on mplayer for Sailfish? I really have trouble viewing my videos with gstrealer, I have yet to find any that works (apart from the videos that came with the phone)00:04
Kabouikgstreamer*00:06
HtheB_Kabouik: someone is working on a video player00:08
HtheB_although it's not mplayer00:08
HtheB_but it uses gstreamer afaik00:08
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HtheB_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400876#post140087600:08
pdanekI think Android app compatibility is leading to less native apps.00:09
HtheB_pdanek: I dont think so00:11
TurskiKabouik: i think gstreamer has better support for hw decoding...00:11
HtheB_because if there wouldn't be a native app for something, it wouldn't come out anyway00:11
HtheB_for example: whatsapp00:11
HtheB_or just a 'banking app'00:11
HtheB_they wont bring out sailfish apps... at least not in this stage00:12
TurskiHtheB_: i need to send some email to my bank...00:12
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HtheBTurski: I already did00:13
HtheBthey didn't even reply :)00:13
HtheBnot even with a generic respond00:13
Turskii would just imagine that finnish banks would make a sailfish app :)00:13
HtheByeah, possible00:13
HtheBnot a dutch bank :(00:13
KabouikYes I saw that video player HtheB I think, I replied to the thread, but he said he was not sure he would support mplayer with this player00:17
ElleoKabouik: it's not really a problem with gstreamer, sailfish just doesn't have a lot of gstreamer decoders installed by default00:17
KabouikAny solution already?00:18
Elleosimplest solution would be to make an rpm that contains more gstreamer plugins + support libs, then the system player would automatically support them00:18
Elleodon't think anyone's done that yet though00:18
Elleoand it almost certainly wouldn't be able to go in the harbour with the current rules, so it'd only be an unofficial thing00:19
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Elleoalternatively lobby jolla to include more plugins by default00:19
KabouikYeah but no ETA, not even any promise they will do so00:19
KabouikAnd not being able to watch any "regular" video apart from those they put in the device, or those recorded by the device, is kind of frustrating00:20
ElleoKabouik: h264 stuff works fine00:20
KabouikI have a h264 which does not work here00:21
Elleotheora should work too00:21
KabouikIt's a 720p though00:21
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KabouikAnd a bunch of mp4 that don't run, even some avi (but don't remember the encoding)00:21
KabouikThe mp4 do play sorry, just without sound00:22
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KabouikAnd the opposite for the avi: they play only sound, no videos is shown (however, before playing, I can see the first frame in the thumbnail correctly)00:22
KabouikFor the avi, the bug is similar to the gallery bug: the file opens properly, but nothing is shown00:23
KabouikAnyway, no solutions yet unfortunately. Thanks for the reply Elleo00:23
HtheBElleo: :(00:23
KabouikGot to go to bed, early train trip tomorrow!00:23
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HtheBpebble... sailfish... :(00:23
ElleoHtheB: that's really waiting on 3 things, official python support (not a blocker, just stops store access) and two feature requests which are blockers: https://together.jolla.com/question/317/allow-for-multiple-notification-destinations/ and https://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/00:25
Elleountil those are fixed the pebble can't really receive notifications properly or control the music player00:25
HtheB:(00:27
Elleoif it's any consolation there's a new n9 version of rockwatch sitting in the Nokia QA queue ;)00:28
prometoysdid anyone try to buy a app from yandex and pay with your phone number?00:28
Elleowhich adds caller id to incoming calls and fixes time setting stuff00:28
Turskiprometoys: i think that payment option is only available in russia or something...00:31
prometoysi guess so. i even cant add + for my number00:31
prometoysi just was curious00:31
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CoderCandyHmm00:52
CoderCandyDid the jolla have nfc support?00:52
CoderCandyI've been reading about it using NFC for the other half... but is there any way of using the NFC hardware in, for example, an NFC tag reader?00:53
SpeedEvilSomewhat.00:53
SpeedEvilThe inbuilt antenna has _extremly_ limited range, as it's tiny00:53
SpeedEvilYou can make 'other halves' with bigger antennas00:53
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CoderCandyuhm00:55
CoderCandyWhere is the antenna?00:55
CoderCandyFound the sticker on my OH00:58
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prometoysanybody bought anything from yandex. i get an error "service is not available. try later" (roughly translated from german)01:05
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SpeedEvilprometoys: check your cock is set right. Mine was off by a day, and wouldn't let me do anything - I forget the exact errror01:07
SpeedEvilclock01:07
CoderCandy... I laughed a bit to much at that :P01:07
* SpeedEvil should open eyes when typing, or vacuum out keyboard more.01:08
CoderCandyHehe01:09
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HtheBElleo, is it really worth01:16
HtheBthe pebble01:16
HtheBfor that price?01:16
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Elleodunno, I find it handy, but one of my main reasons for getting it was to do some hacking with it, so my conception of value probably differs to others01:18
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HtheBI ARE BORED!01:24
HtheB:P01:24
M4rtinKI ARE BUSY! :D01:27
merlin1991SpeedEvil: don't worry I managed to put cock-ui on the maemo wiki in the latest CSSU Changelog :D01:28
SpeedEvil:)01:28
prometoysSpeedEvil, thx.. time seems to be fine01:31
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prometoysi have also the problem, that sometimes android apps won't start, until I close few native apps01:38
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prometoysgood night everybody.01:40
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tango_is there a way to restart the alien dalvik VM without rebooting the phone?01:42
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HtheBM4rtinK: I R BABOON!01:56
HtheBYou don't need pants for the victory dance, 'cause baboon is better then weasel01:57
Elleotango_: you could try "systemctl restart aliendalvik.service" (as root), that'd be my best guess, haven't tried it myself, and no guarantees it won't break everything02:05
tango_Elleo: actually killing zygote seems to do it02:05
Elleoah, okay02:05
tango_at least re-launching the android terminal emulator seems to show some changes in getprop02:06
tango_now the question is: why the heck can't I override net.dns1 ?02:06
tango_apparently there always something that resets it to 8.8.8.802:06
tango_I know that this is set somewhere in /opt/alien/system/framework/services.odex02:07
SpeedEvilIs the kernel source available?02:14
SpeedEvilI can't seem to find an appropriate package.02:14
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SpeedEvil[root@localhost linux-3.11.4]# time make -j 2 bzImage02:40
SpeedEvil...02:40
SpeedEvilreal    11m25.274s02:40
SpeedEvilthat's not actually terrible02:40
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SpeedEvilOh - right - it died02:42
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merlin1991now that you seem to compile a kernel, did you find the source?03:12
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SpeedEvilno03:41
SpeedEvilI was just trying vanilla kernel03:41
SpeedEvilwith defconfig03:41
SpeedEvilas a benchmark.03:41
SpeedEvilIt seems to have died as there is no bc03:41
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atlazAaaaaah. Work. Lovely work05:48
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atlazDisabling NFC did actually increase battery usage HUGELY. Who'da thunk it06:34
atlazi bet i could easilly hit three days usage with my current phone usage06:34
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tango_atlaz: absolutely.06:40
tango_atlaz: I was able to get a full day of almost continuous usage with active WLAN (no SIM yet though)06:41
atlazBefore the NFC-disabling i got to ~14% battery left at the end of the day. Yesterday evening i had 78% left06:42
atlazBut i bet my battery would be in better shape if i'd let it drain to near empty before recharging it :)06:42
atlazSo in a way, i should enable NFC!06:42
Nicd-atlaz: that's not how li-ions work06:50
Nicd-they don't have a memory effect06:50
atlazOh.. okay :(06:50
atlazSo only older type batterys, like NiCd-batterys work that way? (::::DD)06:53
Nicd-yes06:54
atlazOh man, monday morning jokes.. on a friday06:54
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suyatlaz: by disabling nfc you disabling the other half?07:52
atlazsuy: i dunno. Probably. Atleast it doesn't recognize when i remove and reinsert TOH07:53
atlazSome say you could fix the NFC-battery-problem by moving the NFC-sticker a bit down07:53
suyatlaz: ok. I mean, I see no option for disabling nfc. But I've seen the posts for disabling the TOH service and improving battery07:54
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atlazsuy: http://pastebin.com/x59gmxJj07:56
atlazfrom comments on: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html07:56
Nicd-suy: disabling the TOH service disables NFC07:56
suyatlaz: yep, that's what I saw already. I wanted to know if you used some setting I'm not seeing :)07:58
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atlazsuy: nah, im just talking with "wrong terms"07:58
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ZogG_laptopQ508:27
Stskeepsshipping in Q5? ;)08:29
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jjanvierhey there08:37
Stskeepsmorn08:38
jjanvierI got my precious :)08:38
jjanvierbut I can't find the way to do the updates08:38
ZogG_laptopStskeeps: sorry was wrong window :)08:39
ZogG_laptopit's part of my code to restore steam account login08:39
Stskeepssettings -> system settings -> about product, pulley menu, check for updates08:39
ZogG_laptopit failed on linux08:39
ZogG_laptopi think there updates shown in store in my "my apps"08:40
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jjanvierStskeeps: thanks, that's curious, it works now after a reset...08:41
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MFaro-TusinoNFC is on the Jolla? Never works for me08:52
MFaro-TusinoThought it was just that the Other half interface allowed for it08:52
StskeepsMFaro-Tusino: it's more like there's no real antenna08:53
MFaro-TusinoSo i'm not doing something wrong trying to send a file from Lumia 925 to it?08:53
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tango_MFaro-Tusino: nfc is only used for TOH09:28
MFaro-Tusinotango_: Yeah - assumed so. Wonder if we could ever get it to transfer files09:29
tango_MFaro-Tusino: there's some discussion about it. some people actually suggested putting another nfc antenna on TOH09:29
tango_eh09:29
tango_but honestly, at least for me the lack of NFC is absolutely the least of the problems09:29
pp_yea, it's somewhat handy for pairing devices09:35
pp_but not completely vital09:35
pp_suppose with the proper apps you could check your bus card balance or whatnot09:35
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AntiHawkbtw do you guys know yet if there will be some kind patch coming out from jolla  to fix the nfc power drain?09:41
StskeepsAntiHawk: yes, there will be in an upcoming update, but i cannot say which one as before a release is published, you never know if a fix passed full regression testing09:42
Stskeepsjust takes time to ensure quality of the SW update :)09:42
AntiHawkofcourse I've been stopping the service manually for now, effect is so significant that it's worth of typing in to figerterm09:45
Stskeeps:nod:09:45
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nahkissabout nfc, I really hope there will be TOH eventually supporting nfc mobile payments09:47
nahkissbtw, Mitakuuluu (native whatsapp client) is already updated to 0.1-6 so go get the update if you're using it09:51
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entilnahkiss: not in the store, though?10:01
nahkisshttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu10:02
tango_question: is the jolla mail app open source?10:03
entilnahkiss: the store would be more useful ;P thinking of publishing it there?10:03
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nahkissit's not mine, hard to tell10:06
entilah10:06
nahkisssubmitting to harbour takes days I guess10:07
entilit'd be a shame if jolla got a bad rep for not having software, and the reason it doesn't "have software" is most of the users are hc og linux users who install everything off of github ;P10:07
Pnuuatleast coderus said, that he'll release the source when mitakuuluu is accepted to store :-)10:10
entilnice10:13
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tango_about harbour, I know of at least the sokoban garden 3d developer complaining that he submitted to harbour something like a month or so ago, and the app still doesn't show10:15
ggabrielmorning10:17
entiland I'm a bit on the fence about the sms stuff I'm doing, because I'm sure there are roughly 1.6 people in the world who'd care about importing their n900 text messages, so going through any approval process might be overkill10:18
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entilit's gonna be on github anyway10:19
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msknightHi Folks,  What is the URL for the support forum again please?10:24
Stskeepshttp://together.jolla.com10:24
nfferhmm.. how can i reset my root password for jolla?10:24
msknightThanks Stskeeps10:24
msknightI've put together my own personal view on the Jolla and Sailfish.10:25
Stskeepsmsknight: good10:25
msknightIt is here - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=17110:25
msknightGood, bad, and ugly. Let me have corrections, and veneom, in the comments.10:26
msknightI don't mind taking the flak, if it makes sailfish and jolla better.10:26
msknightThat's what I view my role as.10:26
Stskeepswe're always happy for feedback, good or bad10:26
msknightRight - I've got to get back to work.10:27
* entil is a bit confused about people bitching about the ui10:27
ShadowJKnffer: developer mode in settings10:27
Stskeepsmsknight: enjoy!10:27
entilor whatever anything10:27
msknightBye for now!10:27
entilandroid is such a pos to use :D10:27
nfferShadowJK: so that is the root password not just for the "nemo"10:27
ggabrielentil: +110:27
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ShadowJKnffer: the one i set there seems to work for devel-su10:28
entilok, it'd be nice if google play didn't require hacking and if the browser had a find function, but yandex gives you firefox anyway10:28
kontiotango_: nahkiss: as announced in https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001863.html QA staff does not work full steam... but afaik the queue was empty by end of the day on 20.12, but now it piled up...  developers have time to code over x-mas ;-)10:28
tango_kontio: yeah, I think they do deserve some rest ;-)10:28
Aardkontio: damn, we should've gone with slaves instead of employees there10:28
* ggabriel thinks slaves are more expensive10:29
kontioAard: or outsource to a country where they don't get the day off over x-mas...10:29
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Aardggabriel: why?10:30
Aardggabriel: you save on social benefits, health costs, ...10:30
kontiothey just need water and bread...10:30
Aardjust need to buy and feed them10:30
ggabrielAard: just half joking (you still get to host/feed/etc the slaves, like in the old days)10:30
entilbut if your slave dies you got to buy a new slave, it's not easy to say health costs in that regard are positive10:30
entiland if your slaves don't get to eg. make investments, you don't contribute to the positive-sum game of economy in general10:31
Aardentil: there was some statistic that slaves start at arund 50$ nowadays, not really an issue :)10:31
ggabrielAard: lol, that's lack of demand surely10:31
nfferShadowJK: thanks that worked, i didnt realize that it was the root password also, not just for nemo account10:31
Aardggabriel: or too much supply10:31
ShadowJKmost people dont get to make investments actually10:32
ggabrielbtw, jolla folks, the phone is amazing. i'll write something somewhere (short, as a lot stuff has been written). but it's simply amazing. i'll miss my n9 when i switch10:32
Aardggabriel: if you miss your n9 it's probably not amazing enough? :p10:32
ggabrielAard: i didn't mean it that way. i'll miss it because the n9 as a phone is quite unique. it's not "yet another nokia" or "yet another android" etc.10:33
ggabrielalso, the jolla is amazing, has a lot of potential, and has a lot of gaps too10:33
Aardggabriel: I still carry my n9 as usb memory now and then, it's the only 64gb usb memory I have ;)10:34
ggabrieli'm sure i could use it right now if i settled for android applications where those gaps are, but i'm somehow resisting that10:34
ggabrielAard: yeap, i guess i'll use it for playing/dev/installing sailfish and so on10:34
entilnot having camera support through android (afaict, at least with a qr code app) is a minus10:34
entilthat might be for valid reasons, though10:34
Aardentil: camera support will come soon :)10:35
ggabrieli reckon i need caldav support and i'll be able to switch10:35
entilAard: would be even more valuable if someone hacked together a native qr code app :D but thanks, that's nice too10:35
Pnuuggabriel: I think that is among the top-voted requests at together10:35
ggabrielPnuu: yeap, i know, should come soon10:35
entilpeople need an app ecosystem with apps that work, and they probably don't care at all if it's android or not as long as they learn to look in both stores10:35
ShadowJKnow why is there android app in jolla store :)10:36
entilI think the embarrassing nfc battery life thing should be a top-voted request ;)10:36
ggabrieli thought the nfc bug was already fixed :P10:36
ggabriel(internally i mean)10:36
entilsweet10:36
Morpog_Jollastskeeps for 6 month plan, get alien dalvik on android 4.4.x as thst was optimized for low memory devices10:37
entilShadowJK: there's that yandex-yamdex-whatever .ru android store that ships with jolla, so if something's not available at the jolla store, people should look there too10:38
ShadowJKfifefox seems to run better on jolla than on my android tablet10:38
entilactually I'd appreciate not having to hack the google store in at all, try to be as basic a user as possible10:39
ShadowJKentil: no I mean android app in jolla store not yandex10:39
ggabrielcan't you download apk's from the google store in windows?10:39
nfferi would recommend 1Mobile Market not yandex10:39
Morpog_Jollashadowjk, then u have a very bad tablet10:39
Morpog_Jollaggabriel, no10:40
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entilI really can't be arsed about the different markets... now that I got skype and firefox I'm not sure what I'm missing out on, esp. if the camera support gets into android apps10:40
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entilbut it'd be interesting to hack on a native qr code scanner if no one else is doing it10:40
ShadowJKMorpog_Jolla: it has slow I/O from using the cheapest possible 64g emmc.. and 1g ram, seems like more ram is abailable on jolla, as ff doednt tabkill as often10:41
Aardentil: do it opensource and in nemo, so we can integrate it as api into the platform? :p10:41
Stskeepshttps://gitorious.org/project-grande/declarative-barcode-reader-plugin/source/337a1daf1c1ec04e7e775867e6cb9681525e2311: could maybe be ported to qt510:42
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entilAard: all that is theoretical, because I'm ridiculously busy all the time and currently swamped with this csv parsing, so I'm the type of guy who speculates about this and ends up using an android app like everyone else ;P10:42
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AardStskeeps: didn't know karl can do qml :p10:42
nahkissIf you don't want to "hack" google play store in, you can use http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ from the phones browser to get the apps from play10:42
Morpog_Jolladalvik just crashed10:42
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entilnahkiss: brilliant :D10:44
atlazAnd pray to god that evozi doesn't inject the apk:s with anything :)10:45
atlaz(which they probably don't)10:45
entilbut now that I opened it I really don't know what I'd want to download10:45
entilpeople say whatsapp is the new sms but then I'd have to walk around with 3g turned on all the time, besides which I'd rather wait for the native app to hit the stores10:45
Morpog_Jollathere is already entil10:47
atlazPeople say lots of things. Some even say that whatsapp is already too old and something called Kik is the new sms-killer10:47
ggabrielxmpp is the new sms killer ;-)10:48
atlazYeah i don't really need anything to kill sms10:48
atlazI think i've gotten three SMS:s since i had my Jolla (3 weeks)10:48
atlazFacebook-chat-thingy works so nice with Jolla10:49
ggabrielwell, that's xmpp, isn't it?10:49
atlazI have no idea10:49
atlazI regard it as magic, thats enough for me10:49
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pdanekARRIVED!10:55
ggabrielpdanek: \o/10:55
pdanekFedex guy bringed it with words: it's some batteries or something...10:55
ggabrieli'd have gone all paranoid on him saying "why? did you open it? did you open my precious?"10:57
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Venemomorning11:09
Yanielquite some batteries there11:10
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Pnuuquite good battery, yeah, 4 days and still 1/3rd of the juice left11:11
pdanekah fuck11:12
pdanekI forgot11:12
pdanekmicrosim11:12
pdanekI need to cut it, right?11:12
entilhappened to me too11:12
pdanekhow do I cut it11:12
pdanek:D11:12
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entilI'd just get a microsim proper11:12
pdanekah it's smart11:13
entilconsidered cutting it too, but without an official tool it's ahrd11:13
ggabrielpdanek: search for a printable model and cut it with a paper cutter and extreme care11:13
entil*hard11:13
pdanekit's already marked on SIM11:13
pdanekI see now11:13
ggabrielor pop by your shop and get a microsim proper11:13
pdanekIt's market on my SIM card11:13
entilI had my old sim for like 15 years, not a chance it'd have micro markings on it :D11:13
Pnuuthe shop alternative yields you a mini-sim adapter, too11:13
ShadowJKin that case you migjt have a combo cstd, where micro part can be pushed oit11:13
ggabrielentil: i find that hard to believe11:14
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entilany Finns here might remember eunet :D a sim card that old should've been cut, now that it's been bought up by elisa through saunalahti11:14
entilggabriel: 15 years is an estimate, but it's friggin' old11:14
ggabrielentil: that's another story :) there are versions within sim cards, and newer phones required newer versions11:14
ShadowJKeunet .... yeah 15 yo sounds right11:14
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entilit'd suck if I'd have cut it up and it'd be too old for the jolla for other reasons ;P11:15
ggabrielentil: nah, if it has the markings, that shouldn't happen11:16
entilmyeah11:17
entilannoying enough to get the n900 texts in, I'm almost about to give up, cuz most of the day has been spent on handling a message that ends in ", because this csv dialect keeps text cells in as "..." but escapes internal quotes as ""11:17
entilit's a pain, I hate csv11:17
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pdanekIt's big against N90011:21
pdanekand not thick at all against N900, it could easily carry keyboard-half.11:21
* ggabriel is ready to give up sms's11:21
entilI have this mugen power battery for the n900, it's about the size of a brick, and I'd vastly prefer having a similar battery and custom 3d-printed other half :P11:21
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entilnot sure how that'd work, though, because of the different input action. on the n900 a larger battery means it rests better in your hands but with the jolla it probably means your thumb can't reach the keyboard11:22
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fluxentil, I actually thought of what if someone made a very long but thin battery you could put under the ToH cover and use it in parallel with the builtin battery..11:24
fluxbut it would need some electronics to manage the second battery11:25
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fluxthe n900 mugen battery wastes a lot of space11:25
entilmaybe one big one would be easier11:25
entilit does11:25
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Venemohow do I install nano on the jolla?11:28
nahkissentil: you dont happen to have a 3d-printer do you?11:28
entilnahkiss: nope11:29
Venemoah got it11:29
ggabrielVenemo: pkcon install nano11:29
ggabriel:P11:29
Venemoyep, that was my first attempt11:29
Venemothank you ggabriel11:29
entilnahkiss: but I hear there are people getting them, and hopefully companies that sell 3d printing as a service11:29
nahkissI've been wondering if a custom TOH could fix the floppy volume rocker too11:29
nahkissto me it seems it would be possible, just making the gap between TOH and volume rocker narrower11:30
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Chaz6for a moment then i thought you were asking about a floppy drive11:30
entilsomeone on ircnet/#helsinkihacklab already 3d-printed an other half for his jolla11:30
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ggabriel3.5" floppy drive other half11:30
entilcan't remember the nick, though11:30
ggabrielthat goes to together.jolla.com NOW11:31
entilhaha11:31
ln-why 3.5"?11:32
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ggabrielln-: i don't want it too big... 5.25" would exceed the phone too much11:32
ggabrielalso the 3.5" are sturdier11:32
ggabrieland i wouldn't mind something to read the one that's in my drawer11:33
fluxso now with the ToH power consumption workaround, has someone tested how long the battery lasts when yuo have mosh connected 24/7?11:33
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ShadowJKwhat is mosh11:34
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PnuuShadowJK: http://mosh.mit.edu/11:38
HarhaanJohtajahttp://youtu.be/XQW8eb1P3dk11:40
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ln-is it a known and reported bug that sometimes the phone doesn't start charging when the charger is connected? (and "charging only" selected for the query about whether to connect the charger in developer mode)11:41
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ln-i had a situation where the battery info in settings said something like: "charger: connected, battery: full" yet the percentage was 24%.11:42
ShadowJKwhen connecting charger you should not be asked about mode.11:42
Stskeepsit happens when you dont plug in fast enough, i think11:43
ShadowJKyeah11:43
ln-i bet i should not, but often am nonetheless.11:43
pdanek1Do I need to do this 3 charges process with battery?11:43
atlazI always plug in too fast11:43
atlaz:(11:43
pdanek1To use completely and then charge?11:43
pdanek1:D11:43
pdanek1I never know if it's with Li-Ion or Li-Pol11:43
* pigletto also is asked about mode when plugging in charger11:43
entilpdanek1: I didn't, because I think in the year of our lord 2013 phone batteries are charged in the store11:44
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ShadowJKmine was so tigt at first, i didnt have the strength to insert it rapodly enough. i pushed in the teeth on tje plig, and now it's easy to plug in11:44
entilthat was iirc even true for the n900, and the mugen tuning battery came with a separate note saying it must be charged like a motherfscker before use11:44
entils/store/factory/g11:44
ShadowJKthode notes are bullshit11:44
entil*shrug*, didn't want to risk it11:45
entilif I was a hongkongese battery manufacturer for hackers I'd let my customers do the initial charging as well11:45
entilthe jolla was pretty well juiced on delivery anyway and nothing told me to charge it for 18 hours or something11:46
ShadowJKbasically batteries cant be shipped uncharged anyways11:46
pp_50% is good for storage/shipping I thought?11:46
ShadowJKaround 40-7011:46
pp_I think my jolla was around 50% but can't be sure11:47
entiliirc mine was as well11:47
ShadowJKI wouldnt trust the meter at all until a cycle though.11:47
ShadowJKIn the old days with old nimh tech, the batteries self-discharged when stored or during shipping, and s long charge could help restore optimal performance11:49
pdanek1hmm I can't connect to Wifi11:50
piglettoAnyone knows why I can't see 'Start Emulator icon' in Sailfish SDK - I'm following this tutorial: https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html and it says that just after creating new project this icon should be there...11:50
pdanek1WPA / WPA2 PSK11:50
entiliirc my old motorola razr v3 had to be charged for an eternity as well, but can't be arsed to find the manual if I have it somewhere to doublecheck11:50
entilpigletto: got a screenshot of your ide?11:51
entilpigletto: anyway, it's there to the lower left11:51
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ShadowJKif it's made this millenia, those instructions are bs :)11:51
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piglettoentil: I know where it should be... but it wasn't there, after I've added my jolla device in settings, I can see Emulator icon but it is not active - I can't start it11:52
entilpigletto: not sure, because it's worked for me, but what if it's a kit issue? like you've selected a kit you can't emulate or something?11:53
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piglettoentil: Tutorial says to "Select MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86 or MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl kit and click Next"11:53
piglettoentil: I've tried both11:53
piglettosame result11:53
entilpigletto: sorry, I really don't know then :/11:53
atlazpigletto: have you tried #sailfishos ?11:54
piglettoatlaz: nope11:54
entilI got the right-pointing arrow icon which opens the menu with kits, the two play buttons, the hammer, the start sdk button and the start virtualbox button11:54
Venemomaking my custom keyboard layout now11:54
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atlazpigletto: thats the channel for developing11:54
Venemothe keyboard is very generous in adapting to the amount of characters I add, but it seems that it becomes hard-to-use when I squeeze in too many characters11:54
piglettoatlaz: ok, thx11:54
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nahkissThe battery on jolla is most probably a Lithium-polymer, so it probably really was at around 50%11:56
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nahkissbecause lipo batteries have nominal cell voltage of ~3.7V and storage should be at 50-60%, and the jolla specs say it's a 2100mAh, 3.8V11:57
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entilthat's not much less than the mugen, at 2400mAh :o11:58
entilwonder what kind of insane crazy batter could power the jolla if things have gone that far ;P11:59
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nahkisslipo batteries are developed all the time, I guess that mugen is few years old already12:01
entilyes12:01
entilli ion from 201012:02
nahkissI drive rc-cars as a hobby, easy to see the sizes getting smaller and capacities go up in that area12:02
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atlazYeah. Same with airsoft where we switched from NiCd to Li-Po batteries. We wen't from 9.6V 2600mAh bricks to small 11.1v 25C Li-Pos12:05
nahkisswith an additional battery you could probably fit something like 1000-14000mAh more to TOH12:06
nahkissif you connect it in paraller with the original, you're increasing the capacity without increasing voltage12:06
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nahkissif the charging software is anything close to smart, it shouldn't care about the increased capacity12:07
atlazOr maybe someone actually starts making the solar powered TOH :)12:07
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ln-nuclear powered, please12:07
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atlazWith the phone close to my...family jewels? No thanks12:08
entillead-lined other half \,,/12:08
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tango_lol12:09
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tango_anyway, the phone is nice but OH MY GOD SO MANY ROUGH EDGES12:09
tango_and I don't mean physical edges 8-P12:09
tango_I think it's a good thing they didn't start with a global sale right off the bat12:10
tango_gives them time to refine things testing on us early-adopters12:10
* tbr is now at 30C3, jolla/sailfish-hackdesk (chaoswelle assembly)12:10
tango_stuff like "automatic time adjustement" switching to helsinki, finland timezone because I don't have a SIM yet 8-P12:10
atlaztango_: Yeah man, but wait 'till the next update comes and then someone buys the phone with all the bugs fixed and features added12:11
entilnot sure I found that many rough edges myself, but testing on early adopters means everyone will bitch about how much bigger the store is for android etc etc etc and give the phone a bad rep12:11
atlaztango_: then you can use the "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE!"-line on them12:11
tango_atlaz: I hope so 8-)12:11
tango_entil: i've come across a lot of rough edges12:11
entilok.. importing contacts was in settings, not people. then when swiping back I found myself in the people app instead of settings12:12
tango_like: wrong automatic zone if no sim. couldn't add twitter and google accounts from system settings (managed from gallery though, wtf?). android uses the wrong dns12:12
entilso.. that was the one time, almost forgot about it, and no one will ever care12:12
ggabrielentil: huh? how do you import contacts from settings?12:12
ggabrielyou mean google contacts?12:12
entilggabriel: settings -> apps -> people -> improt12:12
entil*import12:12
tango_prot prot12:12
ggabrielentil: thanks :)12:12
entilggabriel: I do not mean anything google12:12
atlazThe biggest "rough edge" has to be that if you remove the tutorial app all your pictures "dissapear" as the tracker is somehow removed12:12
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tango_btw, I wish there was more doc on alien dalvik12:13
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ggabrielah, import from sim, yeah12:13
entilggabriel: btw, the reason I wound up on this channel was an issue in the importer :D if you cat your vcf files together into one with \n as the separator, the import will fail12:13
ShadowJK3.8V, because it's a chemistry with 4.35V at full12:14
CoderCandyHmm, does the Jolla work with answer buttons?12:14
ggabrielentil: yeah, i know, i didn't even try12:14
entilggabriel: I didn't use sim, can't fit shit on the 15 yo sim, if that's even possible on a more modern one12:14
ggabrielunless i find a way to mass delete them (to import over and over again)12:14
ggabrieli'm sure there's a CLI somewhere12:14
entilhuh?12:14
entilwhat does that mean?12:14
ggabrieli mean: i'm sure i can delete all the contacts from the command line somewhere12:15
ggabrieljust haven't figured it out yet12:15
entilyeah dunno12:16
entilbut it was a safe operation to do12:16
Tofeggabriel: scan all the dbus calls ? ;)12:17
entilSSH connection failed: The remote host closed the connection12:17
entilwhy would the ide do that, or is this a #sailfishos question?-)12:17
ggabrielTofe: yeah, why not? another thing to play with :)12:17
TofeMaybe Jolla could release the DBus API, if it's stable enough12:18
Tofe(and if they use DBus...)12:18
entillike I'm parsing the csv and it looks like I finally got it all figured out (except the parts I just hacked and glued together) and now when I do the whole file the app randomly dies with the ssh connection fail thing12:19
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ln-anyone tried netflix (or perhaps some other android thing that plays audio) and experienced trouble with audio, especially through headphones?12:22
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CoderCandyln-, I've tried both netflix and spotify12:23
CoderCandyboth works great12:23
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CoderCandyI got some weird high pitch almost feedback-like thing when I called myself from skype to test my headset with the jolla12:24
CoderCandy(during the ringing, not after I picked up)12:24
CoderCandyI still don't know which device produced it (my computer or the jolla) and I was unable to reproduce it afterwards.12:24
CoderCandy(I was playing spotify at the time)12:25
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CoderCandyln-, also, spotify don't work with local MP3 files synced from a computer, but streaming works fine.12:25
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/12:26
CoderCandyOMG12:27
CoderCandyOMG!12:27
CoderCandyCamera support?12:27
Aardentil: when I said 'android runtime will support camera soon' I meant 'we're just preparing the last bits for release today' :p12:27
entilAard: zomg :)12:28
Aardso just sit tight a few more minutes :)12:28
entilit'd be real real nice if the updates were pushed to the user12:29
CoderCandyOh, what does Laadunjärvi mean?12:29
entilinstead of "check for update"12:29
PnuuCoderCandy: it's a lake in finland12:29
CoderCandyAh12:29
CoderCandyokay12:29
entilliterally it means "lake of quality" or something12:29
CoderCandyOh, nice :P12:29
Pnuuall the updates are named after a lake :-)12:30
atlazCoderCandy: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Laadunj%C3%A4rvi?setskin=meiko&setlang=en12:30
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CoderCandyOkie12:30
Aardentil: it comes to the user, the 'check for update' is if you're impatient and want it now12:31
ShadowJKno mention of a TOH fiz?12:31
ShadowJKfix*12:31
ln-"Audio and video are now in sync when watching videos in Netflix or other video applications" \o/, sounds promising12:31
AardShadowJK: we're working on it12:31
ShadowJKkk :)12:31
PnuuShadowJK: that was my initial response, too :-D12:31
pdanek1It lacks HW-KBD so much...12:32
AardShadowJK: all the people available over christmas were working on the release, no spare resources for that ;)12:32
pdanek1Virtual-keyboard is pain on Jolla too. :)12:32
entilI'd like to try a circular osk12:32
lbtentil: they are 'pushed'12:32
ShadowJKit seems like the kind of thing one woild push dedicated update for to just disable it intil fized12:32
entildid that on the openmoko enlightenment setup, but I've forgot the name of the osk app and it probably wouldn't integrate with jolla anyway12:32
lbtShadowJK: can you imagine the discussions?12:33
ShadowJKnote to self: dont wash hands, scrn starys mising taps12:33
lbtShadowJK: but in the end it makes sense not to rush something that's not been tested properly12:33
AardShadowJK: even disabling the functionality needs to go through qa12:34
atlazAard: Jolla releases a big update on a...friday? :D12:34
Tumex_is there currently bluetooth support for android runtime?12:34
atlazOh man, either the tests are really good or the developers are really good12:34
Aardatlaz: why not? :)12:34
ShadowJKit's friday? :o12:35
entillbt: ok, I'll wait for the new one to be pushed, then ;)12:35
atlazAard: every single time i push a big update on a friday, something goes to hell for sure12:35
Pnuuatlaz: don't jinx it..12:35
Aardatlaz: some of us (including me) worked over christmas, so working over weekend is a step down already :p12:35
atlaz:P12:35
lbtentil: yeah - right ... "pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2)...."12:35
Pnuu:-D12:35
lbtatlaz: it's friday ?12:36
atlazAard: Yeah, i've had my fair share of "Hey i'll just release this and... *picks up phone* Hey honey - yeah, listen.. work.. it's gonna... yeah i'll see you sunday"12:36
entilhaha12:36
entillbt: I'll just wait ;P12:37
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CoderCandyOh god, I'm so hyped for this new update!12:37
pp_ooh, recovery mode12:39
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CoderCandySooo... when could one expect the update?12:39
CoderCandyI could use that android camera support in... around 2 hours xD12:40
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atlazIrc-users are DDOSing Jollas updateservers atm12:40
atlaz"Check for updates... check for updates... check for updates"12:40
nahkisshow does the update check even work btw12:40
nahkissi noticed it takes quite long even if there's no update coming12:41
nahkissshould probably hook wireshark to my work wlan and sniff it a bit :P12:42
pp_pkcon update seems to find some stuff12:43
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atlazLike the picking and packaging department, it's fully manual. Everytime someone pulls the check for updates a Jolla-tech needs to call the developers and ask if there's an update available12:43
nahkissStore just gave me a notification of updates core apps12:43
entilthat's why interns were invented, atlaz12:43
pp_Source RPM  : aliendalvik-0.5.8-4.src.rpm12:44
pp_Build Date  : Wed Dec 25 09:51:39 201312:44
pp_myriad elves have been busy :D12:44
lbtatlaz: pretty much12:44
atlazBut what's the name of the update!12:44
atlazIm taking bets, plaaaaaaaace your bets here12:44
Aardpp_: we try to properly assimilate companies working with us :p12:44
Pnuuatlaz: Lannevesi12:45
lbtatlaz: I'll bet on something beginning with "M" ... that should narrow it down to just a few k12:45
atlazWhat was that one lake called? Paskajärvi or something12:45
lbtthat was a pre-release name :)12:46
atlazNah, Kusijärvi12:46
atlazThere's also Mulkkusaari on Kivesjärvi12:46
entilwonder if I got the name wrong but neither jarviwiki nor wikipedia recognizes katumusjärvi12:46
Pnuuthere's a shitload (sic) of Paskalampi-named ponds12:46
Pnuu"update available"12:46
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HarhaanJohtajadownloading12:47
atlazBut the name! We need the name!12:47
entilwhen the .se christian crusaders came to .fi to convert or kill the pagans, the .fi pagans rather "converted" than died, and went into that lake to wash of the conversion and repent in front of the pagan gods12:47
entilkatumusjärvi is like lake of regret or lake of repentance12:47
CoderCandyWOOOO12:47
atlazDownloading also!12:48
nahkiss:(12:48
ShadowJKI live near pillujärvi. i hope jolla will use that when they get to p \o/12:48
kontio;-)12:49
atlazBlah, i was connected to a bad Wi-Fi. Had to disconnect and 3G my ass12:49
pp_I've dipped my balls into kivesjärvi a few times12:49
CoderCandyentil, wait, the my.se christian crusaders came and "converted" you?12:49
CoderCandyThat's not nice...12:49
CoderCandyI'm sorry!12:49
entilit's been closer to a millennium I think12:50
entilso it's ok12:50
entilwe just washed it off12:50
CoderCandyHehe12:50
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CoderCandyC'MON update android support already! (Android support is last in my update list apparently...)12:50
nahkissI'm missing clock and mail12:51
CoderCandyClock was my first :P12:51
atlazThey were removed as unneccesary software12:51
entilI'm on wifi and the phone still hasn't told me to upgrade :<12:51
nahkissit failed 4 times for me12:51
nahkissentil: check jolla store, not the whole software update :P12:51
entilI didn't check anything cuz I thought the updates were pushed :D12:52
CoderCandyentil, I got pushed12:52
entilI'm trying to be as much joe q. average as possible ;P12:52
pp_trying to download :P12:52
CoderCandyI was checking for updates in settings, not apps12:52
CoderCandyand BAM 5 new updates notification :P12:52
entilI'm in no real hurry, I think I got my text messages converted from csv to custom c++ objects, now I need to get them inserted into the comm app12:52
atlazWeird. Phone kinda tried to update it self but then didn't. Now it's downloading again12:52
Pnuuthe notification is pushed, not the updates :-)12:52
entilatlaz: maybe it is katumusjärvi, then :D12:53
kontioentil: then you might wait up to 24h, depends when the phone checked the last time for an update, it's not a push, it's a once per day poll...12:53
entilPnuu: no notifications either, that's what I'm kinda looking at12:53
entilkontio: yeah12:53
ShadowJKI imagined it was pulled, checked once a day12:53
HarhaanJohtajainstalling12:53
tbr*HMPF*, the 30C3 GSM network seems to kill ofono-ril somehow :/12:54
tbrshould catch debug logs12:54
Pnuustill downloading..12:54
entilI went to check for updates manually, even that takes a while12:54
Pnuuentil: must be a bit crowded :-D12:54
atlazI bet the update servers wen't to shit12:54
CoderCandyLook, system update12:54
ShadowJKbtw, reading notes.. does it mean people without wifi wont get updated after this?12:55
atlazIm downloading the update at a speed that feels like ~1kb/s12:55
entil7 updates and system update12:55
atlazOh right, work. Yeah. Work.12:55
ShadowJKgod you guys stop jamming the internet with jollaupdate, my IPTV just died12:56
CoderCandyuhm, lol12:57
CoderCandyFront facing camera is up-side-down in android xD12:57
atlaz"The internet crashed today as all 13 Jolla users tried to simultanously download an update for their phones"12:57
Wntis there a wifi hotspot application available for sailfish? https://twitter.com/KimDotFi/status/41653487482923417712:57
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HarhaanJohtajahttps://sremes.kapsi.fi/2013/12/wifi-hotspot-app-for-sailfish-jolla/12:58
atlazWnt: i guess someone "appified" the command-line-hack that the boys here cooked up12:58
WntHarhaanJohtaja: thanks!12:58
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HarhaanJohtajaMaadajävri13:00
HarhaanJohtajais the right answer13:00
atlazNice13:01
Pnuuoh, a laplandish lake then :-)13:01
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entilröplem with store error message :<13:02
entilstore plz13:02
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entilthe updater still says it's downloading, nfi what's going on anymore13:03
Pnuuthis download takes forever13:04
entilmaybe it's not really downloading anymore13:05
tumpeloalso downloading, not getting any progress13:05
entilthough it probably is for me, the cover told me 4 updates, it used to be 5 and originally it said 713:05
Pnuufor me it's saying "6 6 update(s) available"13:07
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ShadowJKproblem with store :-(13:09
CoderCandyWat?13:10
CoderCandyBattery level BEFORE update was 86%13:11
CoderCandyafter update 94%13:11
CoderCandyDid you upgrade the battery?13:11
Gilly_the same happened for me with the last update13:11
sjnsoftware-upgradable batteries ftw \o/13:11
hene-after reboot it does that13:11
Aardit's christmas magic :p13:11
Gilly_haven't finished this one yet13:11
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hene-update does not affect13:11
PnuuShadowJK: same here, just keeps on "downloading"13:11
ShadowJKConsidering we have swappable battery, the meter might reset on boot13:11
CoderCandyI'm just joking :P13:12
CoderCandyI just thought it was funny13:12
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* entil is down to 3 updates13:12
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* CoderCandy is done updating13:12
* CoderCandy is still amused by the up-side-down front camera in android apps13:12
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nahkissmight be something to do with it just reading the battery voltage, so after you reboot you have less load and less strain on battery?13:12
AardCoderCandy: what, now you have camera, and you complain again? :p13:13
CoderCandyAard, I'm not complaining :P13:13
CoderCandyI'm not one for selfies anyway xD13:13
kontioCoderCandy: u'r holding it wrong ;-p13:13
CoderCandyAnd I AM happy about the camera support :P13:13
CoderCandy(At least back camera works like it should!)13:14
AardI wonder if that's app related, though, I had at least one app doing correct pictures13:14
nahkissI wonder if I can just reboot the phone now thats it stuck on "downloading"13:14
CoderCandyAard, I'm using snap-chat13:14
CoderCandywhich I had to install by downloading an APK13:14
AardCoderCandy: I was using some girly camera app doing pink stuff with the pictures. was hard to find anything using camera when I just wanted to test the damn thing :)13:14
hene-yep, saying problems at the store when trying to download update13:14
CoderCandyAard, Hahaha13:15
Pnuu"store error"13:15
tumpelonow almost half downloaded13:16
Gillymy download seemed to go to end but resulted in a store error after that13:16
Gillyguess I'm gonna try again in the evening :P I'm not in hurry13:17
PnuuI restarted the download13:17
Pnuuafter the "store error", that is13:17
tumpeloproblem with store, bummer13:17
Pnuuanother "store error"13:18
Pnuu-> going to IRL store for now13:18
AntiHawkwatch out you might get in error situation13:19
Plnthmm.. i hit the problem with store error, too13:20
Plntsomewhere in ~70% of download13:20
CoderCandyOdd, I got no problems13:20
jubo2this channel is "grumble, grumble, grumble" ever since actual consumers got actual devices13:20
ShadowJKloll13:20
jubo2now this could be perceived as good or bad13:20
Morpog_MobileMy jolla tells me its up to date :(13:20
jubo2When is the Jolla 2.0 coming out?13:20
jubo2Does it have handgesture UI ?13:20
jubo2it's got one display-side camera13:21
jubo2why not make it two13:21
ShadowJKjubo2: i want jolla3 with optical nerve interface13:21
jubo2it's not like they cost anything13:21
anonfriesei want jolla2/3 with toh-compatibility to jolla1 :)13:22
CoderCandyShadowJK, Jolla4, just a chip in the brain13:22
FireFlyI want Jolla ∞ with DWIM capability13:22
ShadowJKhm, "update device" seems to do nothing :)13:22
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anonfriesemine want's to update - but right now the internet is so slow, takes ages...13:23
spider-mariojubo2 : I perceive it as good13:24
spider-mariowe knew that the product would have rough edges13:24
spider-marioso we discuss how to improve it13:24
spider-mario:)13:24
ShadowJKoh wow, now the store wont start13:24
CoderCandyspider-mario, so did I, but I wanted to be a part of the improvements13:25
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jubo2Then use the off-the conveyor belt cameras for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_camera or higher i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-camera_setup and use that to enable 3D hand gestures over your phone. Hired?13:26
jubo2It's just photogrammetry with higher-than-2D data set basically..13:29
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jubo2HP is coming out with a wide sortiment of hand gesture enabled devices just about any time13:29
jubo2It's interesting that a PC company is leading innovation and not AAPL13:30
PlntShadowJK: did you managed to start the store somehow or is it "bricked"?13:30
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PlntShadowJK: i'm a bit afraid to close it, now because it crashed during the update with the store error.13:30
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jubo2the few-megapixel cameras cost like 5€ right ?13:31
jubo2so just make a phone that has two cameras to enable new ways of interacting with our computer and phone systems. Hired?13:31
jubo2*upfacing13:31
jubo2spider-mario: awesome!13:32
jubo2spider-mario: that you see it that way13:32
jubo2the moves are obvious.13:33
Turskiall 6 updates ar efailing...13:33
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spider-marioit feels great to have a say in the evolution of the product13:33
Venemo_agreed13:33
jubo2the moves are obvious.13:33
jubo2swipe air left == start of song13:34
jubo2swipe air right == next song13:34
ShadowJKplnt: i closed it after getting "9roblem with thr sore" or similar, and when "update device" didnt do anythin after that, stoe no longer startedg13:34
jubo2volume little down == one air swipe downwards13:34
jubo2volume down a lot == two or three air swipes down13:35
PlntShadowJK: ouch :(13:35
jubo2one could make code so that done with either hand it works or use the left-right hand distincition to increase the .. the .. the ... the thing-tsydem-härdell13:36
jubo2number of distinct command13:36
jubo2*s13:36
jubo2but what gesture to use for mute13:37
ShadowJKps aux shows store-client running, but there is no UI. i guess it hung.13:37
Plntah13:37
jubo2I'd cross the hands over the sensors.. Finnish army uses same symbol but over your heads and not over your devices13:37
FireFlyShadowJK: I had some messy issues with store just now, but I think those were related to issues with our broadband connection and switching to mobile data made it start properly for me13:37
Plntmaybe restart will fix it then13:37
Plntdo you know if the update of the packages is started after complete download or if it fails in the middle it could leave some packages halfly installed?13:38
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jubo2The deaf-mute will be blissed out once hand gesture UI is obiquitous13:38
Plnti'm just wondering if i just trashed the phone by the update and i'll need to reset it to factory default13:38
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StskeepsPlnt: you manually trigger the installation13:39
Stskeepsie, you download, then you trigger installation13:39
PlntStskeeps: ah, good. thanks13:39
PlntStskeeps: so it's safe to reboot the phone after the store error, right?13:39
PlntStskeeps: i'm just wondering if i should wait for the fix and leave the phone in the current state with store running13:39
ggabrielis this release non-beta?13:39
locusfmy store keeps spinning13:39
jubo2Showing the peace sign starts playing selector13:39
jubo2's reggae song13:39
PlntStskeeps: or i can do whatever i want with the phone and just wait for the fix13:39
StskeepsPlnt: if you haven't started the installation part it should be ok13:40
PlntStskeeps: perfect :). thx13:40
AL13N_lizzybtw: are the harbour rpms signed?13:41
AL13N_lizzyanyone know?13:41
atlazI was sure they had typoed "Maadajävri", but it seems that it's supposed to be written that way13:41
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TofeStskeeps: looks like there are some connection problems with https://store-repository.jolla.com13:41
JonniAL13N_lizzy: afaik they are not.13:41
TofeI guess everyone jumped on the updates :D13:41
Jonnimaybe maybe in future.13:41
atlaz"Mikkov" had already predicted the correct release name 09.12.2013!13:42
ShadowJKi think my device is not "installing" anything.. store errors and then store stopped responding, update device does nothing.. so i gues reboot is safe?13:42
AL13N_lizzypeople can answer here: https://together.jolla.com/question/3703/are-the-jolla-store-rpms-signed/13:42
atlazSo the next release will be called Naakelijärvi then!13:42
AL13N_lizzyok, bye all, i'm off on vacation for a couple of days13:43
PlntShadowJK: i tried to close the store and start it again and it started but the spinner is spinning and spinning. so i guess that it's just overloaded.13:43
AL13N_lizzyJonni: you should btw... not much extra work on it anyway13:44
AL13N_lizzykey should be in next updates though13:44
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AntiHawkJolla store is down or overloaded, it might be that somewhere sysadmin is running now :)13:44
Naranekand many a f-word was spoken...13:45
spider-mariohas anyone managed to perform the updates? what do they seem to bring?13:45
istoHope he runs fast...13:45
ggabrielspider-mario: there's a comprehensive release note in together13:45
spider-mariooh :)13:45
spider-mariofound it: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/13:46
spider-mariothanks13:46
ggabrielnp, good luck trying to download though ;)13:46
sledgesviber works!13:47
FireFlyviber?13:47
sledgesbut after reboot cannot access internet connection anymore :(13:47
sledgesanyone else experienced it?..13:47
ljpsledges: how are you trying to connect?13:48
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sledgeshmmm13:49
Venemo_the update workedforme seamlessly without any hassle13:49
faenilsledges, android apps cannot connect you mean?13:49
faenilVenemo_, cool :)13:49
Stskeepssledges: see the release notes13:49
faenilhello people anyway o/13:49
sledgeswhole androidapps not getting internet anymore13:49
faenilsledges, yeah as Stskeeps says, read release notes13:50
sledgesall worked, mobile dat, until today.13:50
* Stskeeps wonders why faenil is on irc and not studying13:50
Stskeeps:P13:50
faenilStskeeps, hey!! :P after-lunch break!13:50
sledgesi havent updated anything ;)13:50
faenilsledges, doesn't matter13:51
tango_I think my wrists hurt from playing around with the jolla jolla too much these days13:51
tango_that's not a good thing13:51
Venemo_Stskeeps: I second faenil, IRCing and studying can work at the same time!13:51
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Wntcannot install the .2.25 update, after selecting Download from store app's pulley menu the UI says "Problem with store; Problem with updating"13:54
tango_wait, there's a new update?13:55
Wntin the "journalctl -f -a" log I see a message: PackageHandler::slotUpgradeFailure:538 - void PackageHandler::slotUpgradeFailure(const QString&) "Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible.13:55
tango_wth I thought the jolla guys were on xmas vacation13:55
Wntanyone experiencing the same issue?13:55
tango_WOOHOO FOR JOLLA13:55
faenilWnt, yeah high load on servers, please have some patience :D13:56
Wntfaenil: ok13:56
Stskeepstango_: what's a vacation?13:56
WntJolla needs more servers :)13:57
tango_Stskeeps: ehe 8-)13:57
Stskeepsor .. less users13:57
Stskeeps</conspiracy>13:57
Stskeeps;p13:57
tango_btw does anybody know if there are actual jolla guys on here?13:58
ln-are the rpms downloaded through https and is the certificate checked?13:58
ggabrieljolla needs to distribute updates via torrent ;-)13:58
ggabrieltango_: only a few ;-)13:58
Stskeepstango_: a large amount13:58
tango_lol13:58
Stskeepsbut we're here as fellow community members13:58
tango_I see there is agreement here13:58
tango_Stskeeps: np, I'm not going to query all the jolla guys for answers13:58
tango_that's what together.jolla.com is there for 8-)13:58
tango_1.0.2.5 is Maadajävri (no typo, it's jävri (Same/Lapish) not järvi (Finish) which some people might expect)13:59
tango_Kontio (23 mins ago)13:59
tango_lol13:59
WntAlso: I think it succeeded in the downloading already once (or at least tought it succeeded) and prompted for installing the update. The UI changed to a progress bar and the phone rebooted13:59
Wntbut system properties and ssh banner still list the old version and the .2.25 is a downloadable update14:00
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TurskiIs NFC bug fixed in 1.0.2.5?14:00
KiranosTurski: not yet14:00
Turskiok, no need to unmask tohd.service then :)14:00
atlazAlso no landscape yet :(14:00
Turski:(14:01
Stskeepsyou have to see it as a rolling pipeline, the fixes that are in right now are stuff that was built a few weeks ago and now passed testing14:01
Turskibut otherwise the changelog looks good14:01
Stskeepsso we're all the time working and pushing more into the pipeline14:01
TurskiStskeeps: sure14:01
faenilatlaz, only bugfixing in december, that was known :)14:02
atlazStskeeps: and we know this, but we gotta whine about something, right?14:02
Stskeepssure14:02
atlazI mean... thats what consumers do14:02
faenil:D14:03
Turskithat's what people do14:03
ggabrielit's never enough14:03
Stskeepsyeah, god forbid you were happy with your devices14:03
ggabrieli don't know what i want, but i want it now14:03
Stskeepswe'd have nothing to talk about14:03
Stskeeps:P14:03
Turskiif there's nothing to whine, we would whine about that we have nothing to whine about...14:03
ggabrieli won't be happy until i get the unicorn14:03
tango_question: are the twitter feed/mail apps open source?14:03
tango_I would like to build a similar one for friendfeed14:03
Turskiggabriel: it will be wrong color anyway14:03
ggabrielTurski: slightly colour blind here, so kinda not care. i'll whine about that though14:04
Turski:)14:04
tango_or rather: is the whole social network/presence stack open source? can plugins be written for it?14:04
atlaz"<Foo> So has anyone had any problems with their Jolla? <Bar> Nope. *Day changed to 03/03/2014* <Foo> Anyone had any problems? <Bar> Nope *day changed to..."14:04
Stskeepstango_: last one sounds like a better question for together.*14:04
tango_damn, problem with store14:05
tango_oh right, you guys mentioned it14:05
atlazYeah, it's a DDOS. All 13 Jolla users are trying to update at the same tim14:05
atlaz*time14:05
covoxyep :P it's getting hammered14:05
ggabrieltorrent ftw14:06
tango_guys, stop updating, I need to update14:06
ggabrieli think that's the only good idea that adobe ever had14:06
covoxsomeone forgot to feed the hamster14:06
atlazthepirateharbour14:06
ggabriel(updating their produccts by torrent, that is)14:06
tango_atlaz++14:06
ShadowJKthey do that?14:06
tango_(do we have a bot here?)14:06
atlazjust Stskeeps14:06
ggabrielShadowJK: yeah, of course they fail over if torrent isn't available14:06
Stskeepsi'm not a bot.14:06
Stskeeps:P14:06
atlazNo, i *AM* a real person is the right answer Stskeeps14:07
tango_something that announces e.g. new together. questions or stuff14:07
tango_atlaz: maybe he's neither a real person nor a bot14:07
ggabrielmaybe everybody here is a bot14:07
atlazAnna the bot14:07
covoxStskeeps: no need to try your cold machine reverse psychology out on us14:07
ggabrielppl still don't distinguish the difference between answer and comment in together.j.c14:08
atlazIm sitting at work waiting for a washing machine to be delivered three hours ago14:08
tango_ehehe https://together.jolla.com/question/3733/install-app-dev-mode-system-updates-not-working/14:08
tango_(not me)14:08
tango_atlaz: maybe DHL has the same bug as the jolla re. timezones14:09
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tango_or whoever is bringing the washing machine14:09
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ggabrieltango_: answered...14:09
atlaztango_: I don't think so. I wen't to a store to choose it and the store was supposed to deliver it already :/14:10
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ggabrieli'll make myself a coffee, i'm sure the store will go back to normal after that :)14:11
Pnuuhmph, still: store error14:14
Nicd-updates!14:15
Nicd-woohoo14:15
Stskeepsanybody had any bricks so far?14:15
Nicd-os updates too?14:16
* ShadowJK hasnt dared reboot14:16
PnuuStskeeps: haven't yet gotten that far :-)14:16
atlazMy update went nice and smoo14:16
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atlazJust joking :)14:17
* faenil is curious to see how the new recovery will behave14:17
Pnuustore opened, let's retry14:17
Nicd-so there's an OS update coming?14:17
PnuuNicd-: yes14:17
StskeepsNicd-: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/#details14:17
Nicd-google calendar!14:18
Nicd-<314:18
Pnuunope, store error14:18
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Nicd-Stskeeps: is it rolling out at different times?14:19
Nicd-for different phones14:19
parasemicguise14:19
parasemicmy phone wont find the update. any ideas?14:19
atlazparasemic: the store and update services are hammered as people try to update14:20
Venemo_patience is a virtue14:20
parasemicaye, it was just weird the phone doesnt even find the update14:20
atlazi guess it can't connect the update service so it says it can't find an update14:21
atlazJust me guessing here14:21
Nicd-or it's rolled out at different times14:21
parasemicalso im kinda dissapointed there seems to be nothing done with the aweful haptics of keyboard :(14:21
HarhaanJohtajaby the way tutorial program is gone after the update14:21
atlazTru.dat14:21
parasemicturning haptics off makes it possible to write, for me, but then pulleymenu cant be used without looking14:22
pdanek1Did anyone notice that bottom display bezel is wider than upper one? Like if it was designed for touch buttons under the display.14:22
Venemo_parasemic: a LOT of bugs have been fixed, see the release notes. of course they can't fix everything at once14:22
Venemo_parasemic: my bugs haven't been fixed either14:22
Venemo_parasemic: haptics work for me btw14:22
parasemicvenemo_ my haptics are aweful.. :o14:23
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parasemiccant write without turning them off14:23
Venemosorry14:23
atlaz*insanity wolf* try smashing the phone on the table to see if it fixes it *endof*14:23
parasemicaround 30% of keyboard presses feedback with none or double haptics14:23
atlazThat sounds weird14:23
Venemoparasemic: check if this is already on together.jolla.com and if not, open a thread about it14:24
parasemici have, nobody upvotes the topic as nobody gives a fuck x_x14:24
ShadowJKdoesn't help that there are 5 diff keyboards :)14:24
parasemici had the exact same problems with the n9 keyboard lol14:24
Venemonah, btw it turns out that the 64G microsd was indeed fake - 'mkfs.ext4 -c -c' found so many errors on it after running for a whole day that I decided not to let it run to the end14:24
parasemicthey never got fixed14:24
ShadowJKor, well, 3... fingerterm, android, sailfish?14:24
parasemicwell, every keyboard is bad for me and fingerterm is aweful as i cant turn the haptics off14:25
Pnuuparasemic: maybe you need to update your fingers?-)14:25
Nicd-Venemo: you bought one? how much did you pay?14:25
parasemicpnuu, yeah propably14:25
VenemoNicd-: it wasn't expensive but it was a fake...14:25
Venemoconclusion: beware of suspiciously cheap memorycards14:25
* ShadowJK reboots :s14:26
jubo2oh whatever..14:26
VenemoI now ordered another one from a proper place14:26
parasemicthe haptics bug is just driving me insane, as it the most important component for everyday use14:26
ggabrielVenemo: really? :(14:27
jubo2it seems Jolla Ltd wants HP to get the 1st hand gesture enabled mobile device ( read: phone )14:27
sremesVenemo: got the fake one on ebay?14:27
jubo2too bad14:27
ggabrielwow, micro sd's went up14:27
tango_what haptics bug?14:27
jubo2they asked NOK: "You want into computer?" and they're like "No."14:28
Venemosremes: no, on a local site14:28
jubo2then they asked AAPL: "You want into phone?"14:28
jubo2rest is history. hire me.14:28
ShadowJKhm14:28
jubo2able to work EU office hours 15-20hrs / week14:28
Venemojubo2: wat?14:28
ShadowJKreboot worked, but store still doesnt start :s14:29
faenilparasemic, you will agree that there are a lot of more important issues to tackle before haptics :D14:29
Nicd-Venemo: ignore jubo2, he is always repeating the same stuff14:29
Pnuukhih14:29
Venemowhy?14:29
Venemoparasemic: is it reported already on together?14:29
parasemicfaenil, ofc but its still a pretty key (pun intended) component of the phone14:29
jubo2Venemo: because no-one thinks it good to give me job14:30
faenilparasemic, agreed, but... :) not top on the stack14:30
parasemicvanemo, as i said, i have reported but nobody upvotes it as nobody gives a fuck14:30
ShadowJKurl14:30
Venemoparasemic: gimme a link, I'll upvote14:30
parasemicjust trying out, as it seems like the haptics problems occur only with the letters that are next to the screens edge14:30
Nicd-jubo2: based on your ramblings, I wouldn't hire you either14:30
c0ck4m0u53parasemic: you can disable haptic feedback in fingerterm with opening settings.ini and setting keyPressFeedback=false14:30
parasemicc0ck4m0u53 thanks14:31
tango_what's fingerterm?14:31
nahkiss"terminal"14:31
Nicd-tango_: default terminal app on sailfish14:31
ShadowJKI also have issues with letters near the edges. Sometimes it gets interpreted as swipe instead14:31
sledgesthanks Stskeeps , faenil . will hunt it down when get some decent 2g at least :)14:31
tango_ah it's called fingerterm?14:31
Nicd-yes14:31
c0ck4m0u53parasemic: welcome14:32
* tango_ learns new things14:32
Venemoparasemic: sorry, are you talking about haptics of the default keyboard or haptics in figerterm or ...?14:32
parasemicso is nobody else experiencing the bug that "bigger letters" that appear with keypress dont appear every time14:32
Venemotango_: it's the same app that is on Nemo14:32
tango_parasemic: I've seen it from time to time14:32
* ggabriel wonders if the jolla will work with a 128gb sd card14:32
parasemicas the haptics but seems to go hand in hand with that14:32
tango_Venemo: my previous linux smartphone was the n90014:32
ShadowJKI find that licking my thumns before typing makes the keyboard work better14:32
jubo2Nicd-: the cost to add a 2nd camera and do stereocopic photogrammetrical system.. ~ 5€ + SW14:32
tango_I find that eating the phone makes scrunchy sounds14:33
parasemiceg. i press A right next to the screen, no big A and no haptic, yet the letter is written14:33
parasemicscreen edge*14:33
jubo2and by SW I mean Software development costs14:33
tango_oooh 91 karma, I can start editing wiki pages14:33
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tango_BWHAUAHAHAHAHA14:33
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Venemoggabriel: maybe, but you will have to use ext4 or btrfs14:33
Pnuujubo2: you forgot everything else on the hardware-side, there's more than the cost of the camera module14:34
parasemicalso my fingerterm haptics are so bad i only get the "full haptic reponse" like 50% of the time and some halfway haptics every press14:34
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jubo2[16:33] <tango_> I find that eating the phone makes scrunchy sounds14:34
jubo2epic14:34
ggabrielVenemo: yeah, btrfs ftw14:34
Venemoparasemic: well, I find fingerterm so unusable in general that I prefer to use SSH from my laptop instead. it's just horrendous14:34
Tofeis it me, or uninstalling yandex does uninstall aliendalvik ?14:34
ggabrielaltho yesterday somebody made me realize that btrfs can be tricky if you want to use it in more than 1 system14:35
vbmithrHey!14:35
ggabrielso you gotta be careful with that14:35
vbmithrJolla upgrade, I see that. Same as last time, my phone says it is up to date :(14:35
Venemoggabriel: yes, you have to beware of filesystem permissions, same as every other Unix filesystem14:35
parasemicvenemo, now that i look deeper into the haptics problems, it seems like i really get like 50% force haptics every press and the full force haptic reponse most of the time but not every press.. weird.14:36
ggabrielVenemo: i didn't mean that, i meant btrfs versions differ14:36
vbmithrDon't know if it has a relationship with the fact that I installed "third party software"14:36
CoderCandyHmm14:36
ggabriele.g., yesterday somebody formatterd it with kernel 3.12 and it didn't work in the jolla14:36
CoderCandySo I "updated" my phone14:36
ggabrielhe then did the opposite and it was ok14:36
CoderCandythat is, downloaded the update14:37
Venemoggabriel: use ext4 then14:37
ggabrielext4 will obviously work across the board14:37
CoderCandyand the phone rebooted, as it should14:37
CoderCandyand now it says I'm stil on the old version and the store don't work14:37
Venemoparasemic: OK, but you still haven't answered: are you only talking about the fingerterm keyboard (which is totally disastrous) or the default keyboard of the OS?14:37
WntCoderCandy: same happened to me14:37
CoderCandyAnd it still claims there's an update to download14:37
PnuuStskeeps: ^14:37
WntCoderCandy: I suspect that it still tries to download something from the server when doing the update14:37
Stskeepstry again, sometimes it doesn't work properly14:37
CoderCandyYeah, I can't try again...14:38
Wntand that download & store do not work as the servers are so loaded right now14:38
CoderCandythe store app doesn't even launch14:38
parasemicvenemo: both, and android too. they act a bit different though. fingerterm is awefull 100% but the problems with sailfish keyboard seem to focus on the letters next to the edge of the screen.14:38
shanttu_mobilehi. jolla store crashes when trying to open. system update visible on notification area, but nothing happens on press. also nothing happens on 'about product, pulley menu14:38
CoderCandyShadowJK, same14:38
CoderCandyshanttu_mobile, *14:38
tango_shanttu_mobile: overloaded servers14:38
CoderCandyI got the android services update, so I'm happy until tomorrow14:39
CoderCandywhen the servers get less loaded14:39
tango_should probably be added to the topic14:39
shanttu_mobileok. thanks14:39
CoderCandytango_, who reads the topic?14:39
Venemoparasemic: fingerterm I agree is a total disaster -  the default keyboard works for me quite well though, and I've never tried the android keyboard14:39
parasemicvenemo: it seems like the (os) keyboard responds to presses that are really at the edge of the screen, but then the haptics and "big letter" dont kick in14:39
Tofeparasemic: do you think we could highjack the fingerterm keyboard to make it use jolla's, and add a layout more dedicated to code writing ?14:39
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tango_oh btw has anybody else tried editing a together.j.c post from the jolla?14:40
tango_due to lack of arrow keys you can't really scroll to the end of the post, e.g.14:40
Stskeeps*** NOTE: we have overloaded store servers right now, if you're fine to wait a bit for the update, i can suggest playing PuzzleMaster and then try to update later ***14:40
tbr:-]14:40
vbmithrI've got lots of "problem with store" as well14:40
tango_we need a port of sgt puzzles to sailfish14:40
TofeStskeeps: I can wait some more seconds, sure :D14:40
* tango_ is using the android port fttb14:40
ShadowJKtango_; when people talk about together, it's like they're talking about a completely different website alltogether compared to what jollabrowser gives14:41
VenemoI'm unaware of any android apps that would be worth my attention14:41
Tofeanyway I needed to see if the rest of the world still exists, outside.14:41
tango_ShadowJK: what?14:41
parasemicvenemo: can you try typing with OS keyboard and tapping A right on the edge of the screen and see if you get lacking haptics and missing big letters?14:41
tango_Venemo: sgt puzzles14:41
tango_(and opera, sadly)14:41
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ShadowJKtango_; I'm missing a "request the nonretarded desktop version" feature :)14:42
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tango_the mobile version isn't THAT bad14:42
pdanek1Jolla Store is not categorized yet? :O14:42
Pnuupdanek1: swipe left14:43
Stskeepspdanek1: swipe to the left14:43
Venemoparasemic: the only issue that I can notice on the system keyboard is that haptics are not always on the same level. they always kick in (sometimes I can hardly feel them) and the big letters always appear too. I'm on 1.0.2.514:43
pdanek1CHA, got it14:43
pdanek1sorry, those are my 1st moves with Jolla14:43
Venemotango_: what is sgt puzzles?14:43
pdanek1+ still at work14:43
pdanek1:D14:43
Turskiany ideas where are the user-created ambiences stored?14:44
pdanek1do we have some growth chart how quickly are the apps added to store?14:44
tango_Venemo: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ a must-have collection of logic puzzles14:44
tango_available for practically every platform14:44
tango_needs a mer port though14:44
parasemicvenemo: how about if you start tapping the screen outside and slowly move toward the keyboard. for me the letters on the edge start registering but big letters and haptics kick in after a few millimeters more towards inside14:44
tango_sailfish14:44
tango_whatever14:45
IltsuAny ideas how to troubleshoot that my Jolla store won't open and system update doesn't work?14:45
tango_Iltsu: overloaded servers14:45
parasemiciltsu the servers are loaded, just wait14:45
tango_we need a bot here14:45
Iltsuokay, I tought that I broke something :D14:45
parasemic:D14:45
pdanek1I love how only bare minimum of apps is installed out of the box! Amazinf...14:45
Venemoparasemic: if I start tapping from outside the screen, it's registered as a swipe14:46
PnuuIltsu: everybody's asking that, every 2 mins or so :-D14:46
IltsuI think it should give error, not just crash14:46
Venemoparasemic: AAAAH, I see it! I see it!14:46
Venemoparasemic: big letters don't appear for me either14:46
parasemicyeah, seems like its just a millimeter off the edge where the big letters bug14:47
Venemoparasemic: paste a link to the together thread and i'll upvote14:47
Venemotango_: try puzzle master on the Jolla :)14:48
pdanek1that OS is so good14:48
parasemichttps://together.jolla.com/question/656/keyboard-bugschangesideas/14:49
jubo2stereoscopic camera photogrammetric ~ 5€ for the actual CCD if you want the HP to pioneer then dohh..14:49
Venemoparasemic: seems I already upvoted it a few days ago14:49
vbmithrseems like the servers are overloaded14:50
shanttu_mobilewhat is the correct way to upgrade package from rpm? pkcon install-local?14:50
pdanek1Apparently when I try to install ~8 apps at once14:50
pdanek1some of them will fail14:50
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jubo2then when you are forced by the markets to adopt Air Swipe UI then dohh for you..14:50
jubo2HP does it soon14:50
jubo2AAPL follows suit14:50
parasemicvenemo, ah cool. i just edited the few bugs to be more specific14:50
Venemoparasemic: generally I would've recommended to create a separate thread for each of the bugs; it's kind of crowded now14:51
pdanek1Do my installed apps get saved in Jolla account profile?14:51
pdanek1& purchased too14:51
parasemiceither way, the keyboard isnt really an issue if you turn the haptics off, but then you lose all haptics including ones in the pulley menu14:51
parasemicso id like to see an option to turn off keyboard haptics only14:51
jubo2[Friday 27 December 2013] [15:39:25] <jubo2>    The deaf-mute will be blissed out once hand gesture UI is obiquitous14:52
jubo2or will it be "noisy" h*ll14:52
Venemoanyway, ttyl14:52
Stskeepsjubo2: i would suggest you make an account at together.jolla.com and participate in the skunkworks tag14:52
jubo2We could use the computers to teach deaf/mute language14:52
ggabrielparasemic: sounds like a good question for together.j.c14:52
jubo2to hearers14:53
Stskeepsjubo2: it has a larger degree of success14:53
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jubo2We could use the computers to teach deaf/mute language to hearers.. since the cameras are on anyways so might as well get machine to read sign lang.. even the hearers can do it.. communicate with hand gestures if their OS and HW supports reading it14:55
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jubo2it's gonna cost 5-10€ for the HW14:55
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parasemicwonder if download stats bug in Jolla store.. i highly doubt android suppor would really be more downloaded than clock14:58
parasemicsupport*14:58
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Stskeepsso, store should be feeling better now15:00
Stskeepsanybody who still has issues?15:00
parasemici do, stuck at "checking..."15:01
parasemicalso, my apps stopped uninstalling15:01
Pnuustill on "downloading"15:01
Stskeepsyeah same daemon15:01
HarhaanJohtajamaybe some people uninstall android support and then install again the support more often than the clock15:01
Stskeepsif it doesn't really clear up, give it a reboot15:01
pdanek1Stskeeps: my apps won't install15:01
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parasemic"Only important notifications (missed call, chat, messages, mails) are shown on Lock screen, all notifications are visible in Events" could this have broken MitäKuuluu notifications?15:05
PnuuStskeeps: Sys update won't download15:05
parasemici dont have the update yet, just guessing15:05
japplohi can I remove the yandex store without removing android support?15:06
Pnuukeeps on "downloading", and the next time I check it says "update available", so I guess it's still failing on the "store error"15:06
parasemicwell, i still cant get beyong the "checking..."15:06
parasemicbeyond*15:06
Stskeepsyou guys have developer mode?15:07
FireFlyparasemic: why not? I could see people not finding timer/alarm useful, but still wanting to use android apps15:07
PnuuStskeeps: yes15:07
FireFlyheck, I could even see myself uninstalling clock15:07
Stskeepszypper clean -a    as devel-su15:07
tobiskiguess i'm not the only one with update problems :)15:07
Stskeepsand power off, power on15:07
Stskeeps.. if you have zypper, i guess15:08
PnuuStskeeps: would need to install zypper .. yeah15:08
Stskeepspkcon refresh otherwise15:08
tango_all updates are no Waiting15:08
PnuuStskeeps: will try15:08
Skorpyjapplo: you can remove or rename the yandex stores .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/15:08
tango_s/no/now/15:08
parasemic"packagekit is still running (propably busy)"15:08
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parasemicah, now it found the update15:09
japploSkorpy: ok sure, but I cannot remove the application right?15:10
PnuuStskeeps: "fatal error: Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/foo/bar/baz' is temporarily unaccesible"15:10
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StskeepsPnuu: you literally have foo/bar/baz?15:10
PnuuStskeeps: no, but didn't wan't to type it all :-)15:10
Skorpyjapplo: dunno. haven't tried. I'm happy with just getting rid of the app icon :P15:10
Pnuujust a sec, I'll finish eating and take ssh connection and do a proper copypaste15:11
parasemicstskeeps my phone found the update and started downloading but seems to have stuck there15:11
Stskeepsgive it a bit to download15:12
parasemici will15:12
StskeepsPnuu: pkcon zypper then15:12
Stskeepser15:12
Stskeepsinstall15:12
Plntparasemic: yep, same here but it took quite a long time before it started to move last time, too. so i'm giving it some time :)15:12
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ggabrielStskeeps: on pkcon refresh "Fatail error: ...... is temporarily unaccessible"15:15
ggabrielso i guess still a bit overloaded :) i can wait though15:15
Skorpy^15:15
Skorpysame goes for me15:15
ggabriel[another 5 minutes]15:15
Stskeepsclose and open your store client, perhaps15:16
Stskeepswhat versions are youon15:16
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parasemicstskeeps it stopped downloading and now says "problem with store" and below "problem with upgrading"15:16
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Stskeepsi need 'ssu lr' from you guys15:16
japplowhat is the nemo password for ssh access?15:16
Wntjapplo: you need to set it in Developer mode settings15:17
parasemicStskeeps what is that?15:17
parasemicsorry, im new to linux15:17
ggabrielStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/U1qcUkvQ15:17
ggabrielStskeeps: i only added mer-tools15:18
ggabrielStskeeps: also, i closed the store client before doing pkcon refresh15:18
vbmithrin the cloud computer era I don't quite get the concept of overloaded server :p15:19
japploWnt: thanks, I'm a little bit surprised because Port 22 was already opened15:19
ggabrielok, my store died now :D15:19
Skorpyhttp://pastie.org/private/uazze4aneaoapuqjd6cfgq why do I get errors about connman? :D15:19
faenilvbmithr, until you add the money factor into the table ;)15:19
PnuuStskeeps: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/ssu_lr.txt15:20
Plntjapplo: there is a bug (maybe feature) that the ssh is running even if the remote access is disabled.. https://together.jolla.com/question/2650/disable-ssh-daemon-when-remote-connections-are-disabled/15:20
vbmithrWell, then15:21
* ggabriel rebooting phone...15:21
vbmithrUse bittorrent to distribute updates15:21
faenilvbmithr, one step at a time :)15:21
vbmithrWe should definitely use bittorrent :)15:21
ggabrielactually, i said that before [torrent]15:21
ggabrielbut i don't think it's the right way for repo's15:21
ggabrielthere are mirrors15:21
japploPlnt: OK thanks15:22
vbmithrBut it's not free then15:22
ggabrieluhm... store still broken after reboot15:22
ggabrielvbmithr: nothing is ever free15:22
PnuuStskeeps: and pkcon refresh: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/pkcon_refresh.txt15:22
nffer^^15:22
vbmithrbittorrent is15:23
vbmithrsince you already pay for your broadband line15:23
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Pnuuzypper installed fine, will try the devel-su zypper clean -a next15:23
ggabrielvbmithr: on a more serious note, torrents from mobile devices may be a challenge15:23
nfferno load balancing? or backend sucks?15:23
ggabrieleaasy to drain battery, etc etc15:23
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jubo2Stskeeps: There's a wiki and you point me to together.jolla.com .. I'm there now15:24
vbmithrggabriel: Not sure it drains battery that much15:24
* Stskeeps has to go downtown15:24
jubo2Stskeeps: you must explain what happens if I choose or don't choose the "community wiki" checkbox15:24
vbmithrgabriel: that's pretty simple to verify actually15:24
StskeepsPnuu: try to see if you can get zypper instaleld, but, i need to go now15:24
Stskeepsbbl15:24
jubo2Stskeeps: tee hyvin15:25
ggabrieli'll do the zypper test next15:25
tobiskiPhone says "Update available" but when tapping the notification or selecting from settings pulley menu to update, it doesn't do anything. Are the servers just jammed?15:25
SpeedEviltobiski: pretty much15:25
tobiskiokay, need to jut wait then15:26
PnuuStskeeps: installed, zypper-cleaned, and now trying to update from store15:26
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ggabrielmy pkcon refresh is progressing more than before...15:27
Pnuuand booted in-between15:27
nffer22% --> "crash"15:28
ggabrielnffer: that happened to me before. it crashed on ~80% now15:28
PnuuStskeeps: still "store error" after zypper clean -a15:28
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nfferthats new :D "XML Parsing Error: no element found"15:29
pp_someone should upgrade their amazon plan?-)15:29
FireFlyFor me it said that "Location [...] is temporarily unaccessible."15:29
Skorpyjammed at 11% :P maybe I'll just wait for tomorrow.. :P15:29
tobiskion different note: Is it known bug or feature that the phone wont boot up if it's charging?15:29
nfferi did accidentally remove the dalvik support15:30
vbmithrMaybe the server is being DDOSed ?15:30
Pnuuvbmithr: probably, by the people trying to update :-P15:30
FireFlyI think it's just congested because of everyone trying to update15:30
nfferor the backend sucks? store hosted on amazon15:31
vbmithrit is ?15:31
nfferis*15:31
nfferyes15:31
pp_yup15:31
vbmithrha, so it's cloud computing for you15:31
vbmithrand the congestion issue is dubious then15:31
pp_there's a big difference between the different plans :-)15:32
pp_(also in price)15:32
vbmithrOr there is millions jollas around maybe :)15:32
ggabrielanybody managed to resurrect the jolla store when it doesn't even start?15:32
nfferNetRange:       54.192.0.0 - 54.207.255.255 is for amazon  dig -x says 59.49.194.54.in-addr.arpa. 300INPTRec2-54-194-49-59.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com.15:32
vbmithrggabriel: I did not touch mine since the issues15:33
ggabrieli'll try killing it15:33
ggabrielin a minute15:33
ggabrielor two15:33
covoxhuh, so they're using EC2?15:33
vbmithrI'm waiting for people stopping DDOSing the server :)15:34
pp_yay, I got in!15:34
Pnuu"clock: downloading"15:35
jubo2https://together.jolla.com/questions/3872/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui ~ jubo-jubo 1st post15:36
jubo2that is if I wrote the URL right..15:36
covoxso just a VPS, not a CDN :P15:36
parasemicjubo2, well, you didnt :p15:37
jubo2parasemic: shit..15:37
parasemichttps://together.jolla.com/question/3827/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui/15:37
parasemictheres the link15:37
jubo2https://together.jolla.com/questions/3827/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui ~ jubo-jubo 1st post15:37
Turskijubo2: question, not questions15:38
jubo2it's stupid that I have no NFC device to copy-pick-and-drop-paste between machines15:38
jubo2but this is a whole another post issue15:38
ggabrielkilling the jolla-client process didn't fix it15:39
ggabrieluhm...15:39
ggabrielor store-client, rather15:39
parasemichmm, now my store stopped offering download and just says "searching"15:40
pp_they're probably busy updating to a bigger instance :-)15:41
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jubo2there is this one antique thing called USB-stick.. you need to open editor, write, save, copy-to-USB, eject USB, stick USB to another, copy file, open file, and copy-paste15:41
jubo2So far there is not MSFT SkyDrive for Linux ..15:42
Pnuuapparently I managed to update 2/6 of app updates15:42
Yanieljubo2: let me tell you about this floppy relic15:42
jubo2but for NFC it's a killer application15:42
FireFlyYaniel: do they contain traces of ancient knowledge?15:43
jubo2copy, toss to NFC, toss from NFC, paste beats the USB stick way15:43
Pnuumust be aliens15:43
Yanielmostly yes15:43
artemmaDo you know if harbour's QA is actually working these days?15:44
jubo2also recycling and mass transit transponders will be so candy15:44
jubo2unless the NFC Consortium fumbled it up and no-one wants it15:45
AJAX555damn can't get jolla store open15:45
ggabrielAJAX555: same here... trying to get pkcon refresh to actually finish15:45
artemmaI sort'of thought that harbour receives small enough submission for even one tester to process them quickly. Yet my app is for 5 days in QA by now. Apple's app store even processes submissions faster15:45
jubo2Is Jolla Ltd a member in NFC consortium15:47
covoxartemma: you might want to take a look at a calendar15:47
jubo2or just have knowledge on how it's implemented, according to which rules..15:47
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parasemicguess ill go play something for a while until the overload has eased up :p15:48
ggabrielpackagekit.org's doc sucks a little bit15:48
artemmacovox: I beleive some people were supposed to stay at harbour, but yeah.. I just want my flashlight to be approved :)15:48
nfferor they patch their shit15:48
kontioartemma: there were, but as mentioned not full steam... so the queue piles up...15:50
Pnuuartemma: there's a lower-than-normal people at work currently, until Jan 7th (iirc)15:50
jubo2"Arr! Arr! Arr! I can sail plenty of those." ~ jubo-jubo on speaking with Londoners15:50
artemmaJan 7.. ok, at least there's a date then :)15:50
kontioartemma: to be fair out of the 5 days, 3 were public holidays...15:50
Pnuuartemma: I'll try to find where I saw that..15:51
kontioand developers still submit over x-mas... seems they don't have a life :-)15:51
artemmait might be unfair to compare to Apple app store, but those guys worked fine, yet gave a clear promise and kept it (submissions closed on a given date, reopened on a given date)15:51
kontiowas in the harbour-news mail we sent15:51
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ggabrielartemma: IMHO s/might be/is/15:52
Pnuuartemma: could be the 3-4 orders of magnitude in the amount of people working..15:52
ggabrielwow pkcon refresh finished15:52
ggabrielwhat now? :)15:52
junnuviguys, do you know pkcon update will do same than installing update via gui?15:53
artemmaI think I am more after precision in estimates and promises. Spoiled by being able to track the process in app store. Harbour is just in QA for days without any details and notifications15:53
ggabrielartemma: sounds like something to suggest in together.j.c15:53
kontioartemma: we announced in https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001863.html that you have to expect delays...15:53
ggabrielthey could put some more reporting15:53
artemmayes15:53
artemmaokay, I should have not been talking about it15:54
Pnuuhay, a new error message: "store error\n unable to upgrade"15:54
artemmaproper question should be: do you know if by any chance a submission queue is still going these days?15:54
ggabrielok, pkcon refresh finished, rebooted, but store is still down15:54
ggabrieli'll try pkcon update15:55
ggabrielwhat's the worse that can happen?15:55
kontioartemma: yes, today somebody was working... and last Monday somebody was working, but not 24th, 25th and 26th... and tomorrow and Sunday again nobody will work...15:55
MMoriany knowledge here on why won't the system update download and install?15:55
artemmakontio: thanks15:55
kontioback on Monday somebody will work...15:55
ggabrieljunnuvi: doing pkcon update myself15:56
ggabrielit installs a lot of packages :)15:56
ggabrielincluding the store client15:56
junnuviyes, I noticed :)15:56
artemmamy device doesn't see firmware update at all. Maybe it's not deployed to all the devices at the same time?15:57
MMoriartemma I suppose so15:57
Pnuuartemma: it is, but the store is just not performing as it should15:57
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artemmaApp store only shows a number of app updates and fails to install them. That seems to be discussed already, so I'll just wait15:58
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covoxMMori: the VPS running the store is being beaten like a rented mule15:58
ggabrielartemma: unless restoring to factory settings doesn't bother you at this point, i suggest you wait15:58
ggabrielmy store broke15:58
ggabrielpkcon refresh eventually finished15:58
artemmaggabriel: waiting is a little easier :)15:58
ggabrieli'm doing pkcon update and installing a lot of packages15:59
ggabrieli'll reboot afterwards and report what happens15:59
ggabrielif i break it, i restore :D15:59
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MMorigood to know it's a common problem15:59
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ggabrielit shouldn't break so miserably though... there must be a depenency issue somewhere15:59
ggabriellike... the store should live if the update fails N times15:59
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ggabrielFatal error: Timeout exceeded when accessing 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/armv7hl/kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?credentials=store'.16:00
junnuviFatal error: Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible.16:01
FireFlySame16:01
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FireFlythough it seems to be up now again (meaning: refrehsing is stalled at 0%)16:01
SpeedEvilHas anyone managed to find what the kernel package is - if it's even available?16:01
SpeedEvilOr where to download it from. ^source16:01
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil; i think the official reply to source is "Make a GPL source code request"16:06
SpeedEvilOdd.16:06
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RST38hShadowJK: Is it a necessary step before they tell you to fuck off?16:18
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ShadowJKiirc I saw someone on tmo who went through the hoops and got sauce16:19
RST38hDoes this mean he can redistribute it now though? GPL seems to imply that.16:19
pp_hopefully they stick it on github or similar :-)16:20
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mcfriskhmm, should I update jolla? Traveling tomorrow and online tickets on the phone :/16:21
chem|stmcfrisk: nope16:21
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RaYmAnRST38h: not just imply, require. It'd be illegal to put further requirements on code distribution (unless you are in an employment situation with them)16:22
ggabrielmcfrisk: i recommend against it16:22
* ggabriel not a jolla employee, just being friendly here ;-)16:22
ShadowJKstore seems dead for me still16:23
mcfriskthanks chem|st & ggabriel, will wait another night, playing safe should not hurt16:23
Pnuuggabriel: how's the pkcon update going?16:23
Elleomcfrisk: at the moment the new os package won't download and if you try to update apps before installing it you'll end up in a bit of a mess16:23
ggabrielPnuu: pkcon update failed 3 times so far16:23
* RST38h suddenly finds that holly is the last surviving genus of its taxonomical family16:23
RST38hMerry Christmas =)16:23
ggabrielPnuu: at the downloading package stage, but it fails on different things, so maybe it's downloading stuff16:23
Pnuuggabriel: ok, say maybe I'll just wait (5 mins, then retry)16:24
mcfriskElleo: thanks, figured there was something since saw the sailfish-devel thread16:24
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Elleomcfrisk: yeah, that was me getting into a mess on the sailfish-devel thread :P16:24
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FireFlyIs there anything that'd break if the hostname of the jolla was changed? 'localhost' seems like a rather stupid choice of hostname for a device16:26
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TheBootrooohai16:26
TheBootrooi see the last update of sailfish 1.0.2.2516:26
chem|strepo is down...16:27
ggabrielhey TheBootroo16:27
TheBootroobut when i try to download it i got error banner "issue with shop"16:27
ggabrielyeah, don't try to upgrade tho16:27
FireFlylet me guess, you're going to say you can't install it16:27
FireFly:D16:27
TheBootrooi tried reboot many times16:27
Yanielupdate?16:27
Yaniel\o/16:27
chem|stor at least pkcon refresh cannot update package list16:27
TheBootrooand switching connections too16:27
FireFlyTheBootroo: everyone is in the same boat (no pun intended)16:27
ggabrielsplash16:27
Yanielchangelogs anywhere?16:27
FireFlyTheBootroo: it seems jolla's side of things is a bit congested16:27
TheBootrooFireFly: oh ok16:27
ggabrielYaniel: in together.j.c16:27
FireFlyYaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/16:27
FireFlyer, wrong16:27
TheBootroolot of days passed since i last connected here16:27
ElleoYaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/16:28
Pnuuanyone has the count how many times this has been come up already?-D16:28
Yanielawesome16:28
FireFlythere it is16:28
TheBootroowow, together is available ? i missed this info16:28
Yanielgcal sync is caldav?16:28
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TheBootrooYaniel: i hope it is16:30
ggabrielok, i've given up, will try pkcon update later16:30
ggabrielwhen i'm back from climbing16:30
pp_pkcon will do all of the necessary updating?16:30
Yanielclimbing? have fun16:30
ggabrielpp_: i have no idea, but i don't care to restore to factory settings16:31
ggabrielso, happy to report here16:31
pp_:-)16:31
ShadowJKJolla needs bigger servers :D16:31
Yaniel(okay there is no way not to :D)16:31
ggabrielStskeeps suggesterd pkcon refresh16:31
ggabrieli did that and now i'm trying update16:31
pp_lots of updated packages available but I suppose there might be some magic in the very low-level stuff16:31
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ggabrielYaniel: thanks, i'll go a bit later, when the n9 finishes chargin16:32
pp_or maybe it's just pkcon and reboot16:32
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ggabrielpp_: well, pkcon refresh + reboot was suggested, but then my store went berserck16:32
ggabrielso i'm trying cli16:32
ggabrielif cli doesn't work, factory reset and gg16:32
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pp_zypper seems to be a bit better in retrying16:33
ggabrielthe thing is, it times out16:33
ggabrielfirst on a package, then on another one16:34
ggabrielyou need to download a bit under 200 packages16:34
pp_Retrieving: kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.[error]16:34
pp_Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/armv7hl/kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible.16:34
pp_Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i] (r):16:34
pp_Autoselecting 'r' after 22 seconds. r16:34
pp_Retrieving: kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.j[done (827.1 KiB/s)]16:34
ggabrielyeah, i got stuck on that one too16:34
locusfyeah same for me16:34
ggabrieldownload seems to be pretty fast for you pp_16:34
ggabrielwell, "pretty fast"16:35
RST38ha116:35
pp_11n + 100Mbps :-)16:35
ggabrielconsidering the people trying to upgrade16:35
Pnuuyup, and that's basically the same error that ends up in journal from shop gui16:35
Pnuuhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/store_journal.txt16:35
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Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-385516:39
junnuviwow, now gui update at least looks different16:41
ShadowJKis there a, uh, "list" of the together "magic urls" anywhere? Like getting list of most popular topics16:41
raa70guess it's not the best time trying to update apps either?16:41
PnuuShadowJK: front page, sort by:16:41
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ShadowJKi dont see a sort by16:42
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PnuuShadowJK: just below the search box :-P16:43
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ShadowJKthe only thing below the search box is what seems to be a list of newest entries16:44
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ShadowJKor list sorted by fewest answers.. I'm not sure16:45
Pnuuabove that, on the same line as "832 questions"16:45
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ShadowJKi dont have a line like that16:45
Pnuujust before RSS-feed16:45
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:answers-asc/page:1/16:45
ShadowJKi dont have a RSS-feed thing either.16:46
Pnuuhave you signed in?16:46
ShadowJKYep.16:46
ShadowJKAmusingly, typing "Jolla Store" into search returns 0 results, despite presumably from the URL posted above, such a thing should exist..16:47
Pnuuthere's no www store yet16:47
ShadowJKNo I mean to access to topic regarding jolla store failing16:48
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PnuuShadowJK: maybe you have scrolled a bit down, and the sorting is hidden behind the header?16:48
Pnuuah, the search is a bit unintuitivie16:48
Pnuu-typos16:48
ShadowJKHeader?16:48
Morpog_PCso how to install this update?16:49
Pnuuyeah, the part where the search box is16:49
Morpog_PCI haven't done any store updated but still get that store error16:49
ShadowJKif I scroll down the search goess offscreen16:49
PnuuMorpog_PC: by waiting for the servers to be able to handle the load, I guess16:49
PnuuShadowJK: ghostery or noscript in use?16:49
ShadowJKNo16:49
Morpog_PCok, I slept a few hours and thought after that its settled, wrong assumption then :D16:50
Pnuuwhich browser?16:50
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Hartzianyone else having problems with the store app? Mine wont start anymore :|16:50
ShadowJKThe search seems to get autofocus, which is a bit annoying. Keyboard pops up and covers half the screen, and there are very few areas without hotspots to tap on to hide the keyboard16:50
ShadowJKSailfish browser of course :P16:50
ShadowJKHartzi; yep16:50
PnuuHartzi: try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-385516:50
pp_oooh, it started downloading at mad speed!16:51
Hartzifuuuuu16:51
Morpog_PCI guess all those N9 users with sailfishos steal our bandwith :D16:51
AardHartzi: did you update email before updating the os?16:51
AJAX555damn n9 users!16:51
pp_... maybe should have only mentioned after I got everything at 2MB/s :-)16:51
ShadowJKOh16:51
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ggabrielpp_: nice :)16:51
ggabrielso will def work after i come back bwahaha16:52
ShadowJKNow that I look at the URL, it says scope:unanswered.. So with sailfish browser I can only view/search unanswered questions?16:52
ShadowJKthat's kinda ... broken :P16:52
junnuvimaybe update will fix that? :P16:52
PnuuShadowJK: click all16:52
Quuanyone got app updates on jolla store?16:53
Quusays to me there are 6 updates but cant install them16:53
ShadowJKPnuu; I don't have "all"16:53
raa70Quu: store is jammed16:53
HartziAard: yes because it offered only few software updates. Store seems to work now.16:53
Quukk.16:53
AardHartzi: are you on 1.0.2.5, or older version?16:53
Hartziolder atm16:53
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Hartzitrying to update now16:53
valdur55wow. tidings have pull-up menu16:54
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PnuuShadowJK: maybe it's a mobile version of the page then :-P16:54
ShadowJKAnd it's totally unusable :P16:54
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ShadowJKDo I really have to use android firefox to view a .jolla.com page? Srsly :P16:54
Pnuuwell, the browser isn't that good anyway..16:55
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ShadowJKWhat's more amusing, if I submitted a question regarding the usability of the website, as soon as anyone replied to it, the question would immediately disappear from my point of view, and I could be led to believe that I somehow messed up submitting it, and resubmit it16:56
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pp_there, rebooting after update16:58
pp_don't brick on me!16:58
Hartzimine still won't update :|16:58
Hartzitoo much traffic?16:58
TurskiShadowJK: you probably need to browse all questions, not unanswered ones?16:58
ShadowJKTurski; again, there's no way to select all questions.16:59
ShadowJKTry it yourself in sailfish browser..16:59
Turskiah, we're talking about sailfish browser...16:59
pp_Maadajävri o.O16:59
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Turskistill unable to get...17:00
ShadowJKTurski; i guess with android support and firefox it would be usable, but it's kinda amusing I'd have to use android browser for a .jolla.com page :)17:00
Turskii've tried it only on desktop browser17:01
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ShadowJKSailfish browser obviously does not have a desktop mode :/17:01
ShadowJKthough firefox and opera does17:02
Turskiit seems to show all questions by default?17:02
Pnuupp_: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Maadaj%C3%A4vri?&setlang=en&setskin=koitere17:02
ShadowJKUnanswered ones, I think17:02
pp_yea, apparently not a typo :-)17:02
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TurskiShadowJK: at least i see answered questions too17:03
Pnuuno, it's in sami language (one of them, Inari sami I believe)17:03
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ShadowJKweird17:04
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Quuhmm also17:05
Quuphone seems to lose my google login adaily17:05
Turskiooh, finally update downloading started17:05
QuuOS update?17:06
FireFlyPnuu: there's a wiki of finnish seas?17:06
TurskiQuu: yes17:06
Quunice17:06
Quunow i just need to get it lol17:06
PnuuFireFly: lakes, yes17:06
AardFireFly: it's pretty incomplete, though17:06
FireFlyer, yes17:06
FireFly'sjö' ≠ 'sea' ._.17:07
Pnuuthere's "quite" many of them :-)17:07
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pdanek1Stskeeps: rebooting device probably solved Jolla Store issues.17:07
* ShadowJK can't get pkcon refresh to complete without error17:08
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FireFly'refresh' is updating repo package lists, right?17:12
Pnuuyes17:13
ShadowJKpkcon install store-client worked though17:13
ShadowJKand after pkill store-client, store is working again \o/17:13
Pnuubut still no maadujävri download :-/17:14
ShadowJKatleast I'm as far as spinning store now :)17:14
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ElleoI've apparently downloaded the firmware update, although the progress bar on the actual installation isn't doing much :/17:17
Elleoit was possibly a mistake to let it upgrade :/17:18
Morpog_PCyeah, it started downloading the update finally17:18
Elleoah, its booted17:19
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Elleobut still reporting 1.0.1.12 in the about page :/17:19
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Hartzisame here17:20
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pp_yay, instagram now takes photos!17:20
Pnuupp_: and doesn't ruin them?-)17:21
ElleoHartzi: had you also manually upgraded the store-client after updating jolla apps? just wondering if that might cause problems with the overall upgrade17:21
HartziElleo: yes17:21
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Nicd-hmh, my phone is still not seeing the update17:24
nanderupdate?!17:24
Nicd-OS 1.0.2.517:25
tbrchristmas update is out17:25
nanderNot seen here either17:25
tbrbut servers are overloaded17:25
nanderlol17:25
nanderI can open the app store17:25
Pnuuwhich repositories should be listed in ssu lr?17:27
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PnuuI have these: global: adaptation0, adaptation1, aliendalvik, apps, eas, hotfixes, jolla, user: store17:28
VenemoI got the update when it was still fresh and the servers weren't overloaded :P17:29
tango_I hate you guys17:29
Morpog_PC75% downloaded :)17:29
FireFlysorry :(17:29
nanderMy phone was connected permanently, but still I didn't get the update17:29
pp_Pnuu: dunno, had nothing I wanted to post17:29
pp_google goggles too \:D/17:29
Quupp_: it works?17:30
Quuneeaaat17:30
nanderanything new for the christmas update?17:30
c0ck4m0u53Pnuu: same as mine, plus mer-tools under user, which I added manually17:30
Pnuucheck17:30
pp_yep, google maps in c:geo is still broken (surprise, it uses a deprecated undocumented api call)17:30
pp_lessee if my paid amazing alex still crashes17:30
tango_we need an osm native app17:30
Venemonander: see the release notes on together17:31
tango_Pnuu: I think your comment to https://together.jolla.com/question/3904/when-performing-a-factory-reset-1005-always-present-afterwards/ should be a reply, not a comment17:31
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tango_Pnuu: you can promote it17:31
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FireFlyThat one actually does seems like it should be an answer, yes17:32
FireFly...contrary to like 70% of the "answers" that really should be comments :\17:32
Pnuutango_: yeah, was considering that when writing :-) promoted now17:33
msknightPossible bug - deleted all e-mails and emptied trash as well (is it possible for an "Empty Trash" in the deleted items pull down please?) and it looks like the mail_attachments are still there.  Sorry can't hang around. Pie is cooked.  Turkey, of course :-(17:33
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nanderupdate server is 100% down?17:39
nanderMy phone is stuck at 'Checking for update...'17:40
FireFlyMine was forever, too17:40
nanderso it's a queue?17:40
FireFlythen suddenly it said "hey, an update is available" while I was having idle on the homescreen17:40
FireFlydunno17:41
nanderWas the download itself quickly?17:41
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FireFlynot really... I haven't gotten it to download yet :P17:41
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nanderOk, I'm gonna cook dinner then ;). After that I'll take a look at my phone and if nothing happens, I'll boot up dishonored ;)17:41
Stskeepsso, SNAFU?17:42
nanderI really love that game ;)17:42
Turskiwow... my phone actually downloaded all the packages once but then failed to install17:42
PnuuStskeeps: the logs you asked: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/ssu_lr.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/pkcon_refresh.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/store_journal.txt17:43
Turskiand GUI didn't show any progress about downloading17:43
HtheBNothing happens on my phone :p17:43
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HtheBwhen choosing 'update device' :P17:43
HtheBit says only update available17:43
pdanek1http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/jolla-2-concept/17:44
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pdanek1https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/lq33kxi1qkv0lhs/x4NoGjej-2/Jolla2ConceptPhone.jpg?token_hash=AAESeZ7qjkoWlu7BAlUuKhh84fiRo9APBn-Cr3IMLCfzvw17:44
pdanek1THAT KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!!17:44
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HtheBStskeeps: is it now noral that nothing shows up?17:46
Nicd-yay, now it sees the update :)17:46
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Nicd-HtheB: pull down to update17:46
HtheBI mean, the update is shown, but when I try to update, nothing is happened17:46
spider-marioI thought I had made my phone download everything it needed for the update by running `pkcon --only-download update`17:46
HtheBNicd-: yes, that does nothing :)17:47
spider-mariobut when I try to perform the update via the UI, it still wants to download it17:47
HtheBas if no action is selected at all17:47
spider-mariooh, nevermind, it now suggests to install it17:48
HtheB>,<17:48
spider-marioha, killed my ssh session before I closed it myself. :p17:48
nanderby the way, whoever put up that config file for eduroam17:49
nanderThanks!17:49
ElleoHtheB: did you update the jolla apps?17:49
pp_hmn, where's the ui bits for the google calendar sync?17:50
ElleoHtheB: if so the store will crash at launch until you manually upgrade the store-client17:50
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pp_can't find them in the calendar app nor the google account thing17:50
Stskeepshow many still have problems with upgrading?17:51
chem|stpdanek1: I'd prefer exactly the same device just 4" instead of 4.5" and 4GB ram - and please stick to toh and make more than one device with the same toh17:51
chem|stStskeeps: 117:51
Nicd-mine is "searching"17:51
QuuStskeeps: yup.17:51
PnuuStskeeps: me too o/17:51
Quubeen "searching" or whatever for about 20min now17:51
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Quuoh, 45min17:51
ElleoStskeeps: I had it apparently download once, attempt to install and then boot back to 1.0.1.1217:52
Stskeepsokay, second question, how many of you removed tutorial app?17:52
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Quuyup.17:52
ElleoStskeeps: nope17:52
Nicd-I didn't17:52
PnuuStskeeps: nope17:52
chem|stStskeeps: I reinstalled everything 2 nights ago17:52
ElleoStskeeps: but I did upgrade the store-client after upgrading the jolla apps broke it17:52
HartziStskeeps: nope17:52
nanderI didn't17:52
Stskeepsok17:52
nanderBecause it's nice to show off the device17:52
nanderAnd.. It's a device that people ask questions about ;)17:53
nanderIt's obviously 'different' ;)17:53
nanderNo 'what lumia is that'17:53
nanderNo 'what andriod version are you running'17:53
VenemoStskeeps: just a thought, is it worth for them to try to update with pkcon?17:53
nanderMore like: what on earth is that ;)17:53
HarhaanJohtajaStskeeps: is is intented that after this update the tutorial app is removed?17:53
chem|stStskeeps: what is jolla-demo and jolla-retail? is it of any use for demoing the device?17:53
Stskeepsnothing useful17:53
chem|stHarhaanJohtaja: no the tutorial app has borked dependencies17:54
StskeepsHarhaanJohtaja: no, basically the tutorial app removal broke stuff :P17:54
StskeepsVenemo: no, should always be done through store17:54
chem|stHarhaanJohtaja: removing it removes preloaded ambiences and tracker-utils and stuff17:54
tango_there's a deluge of t.j.c complaints about the inability to upgrade17:54
ShadowJKStskeeps; store-client died, pkcon install store-client, OS Update, About product still shows 1.0.1.12 Laadunjärvi17:54
tango_there should be a big fat warning about the server overload17:54
HarhaanJohtajai did not remove it the recent update removed it17:54
Nicd-errr17:54
chem|stStskeeps: pkcon refresh jsut went through... without errors17:54
Nicd-mine went "searching" and now it says "up to date 1.0.2.5"17:55
Nicd-without rebooting and all that17:55
Stskeepschem|st: good17:55
tango_oh, time to try the update myself now17:55
HarhaanJohtajawell i have not booted my phone if it might show up17:55
chem|stStskeeps: should I try via store or cli. now?17:55
pdanek1update doesn't update all at once, seems to be in 2 steps for me17:55
ShadowJKoh it offers update again, but it just rebooted to do update... :P17:55
VenemoStskeeps: for me too the tutorial app disappeared after the upgrade17:55
Stskeepsintruiging17:55
Pnuustill SNAFU in here17:55
AL13N_lizzyhey all, i'm at a holiday house now!17:56
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QuuStskeeps: i got the tutorial app back with the update but removed it.. :p17:56
Stskeepsbest way to check is close store, go into system settings -> about product and check17:56
Stskeeps(imho)17:56
Morpog_PCUpdate was successfull! :D17:56
Nicd-mine went "searching" and now it says "up to date 1.0.2.5", but about product says 1.0.1.1217:56
FireFlyUh oh. I think I'll wait with updating if updating removes the tutorial app17:56
Pnuupkcon refresh is stuck to "Waiting in queue"17:56
nanderthe server is busy17:57
StskeepsPnuu: waiting in queue = something else is using packagekit17:57
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chem|stStskeeps: it does not start downloading17:57
PnuuStskeeps: shouldn't be17:58
FireFly <HarhaanJohtaj⋯  i did not remove it the recent update removed it17:58
Stskeepschem|st: it takes ages to start download17:58
spider-mariooh, have the icons of the settings app and the gallery been updated?17:58
StskeepsPnuu: store is there?17:58
FireFly↑ the 'System update' to 1.0.2.5?17:58
PnuuStskeeps: nope, closed17:58
Morpog_PCspider-mario, look same to me17:58
Pnuunow it went a bit ahead and got stuck in "Refreshing software list"17:58
spider-marioI hadn’t payed enough attention to them, then17:59
HartziIt seems that the update deleted the tutorial app17:59
tango_am I the only one finding the phone to be heavy on the wrist when using single-handed?17:59
Venemotango_: to me, it feels lighter than the N917:59
FireFlyHartzi: do you still have the default ambiences if you check under gallery > ambience?17:59
tango_Venemo: I don't have an N918:00
FireFlytango_: me too, especially because of how much you have to do near the top of the screen18:00
HarhaanJohtajaFireFly: i have18:00
FireFly(app launching, closing apps, ..)18:00
FireFlyHarhaanJohtaja: I guess they fixed the weird dependency issues then18:01
FireFlybetween the tutorial app and ambience/other stuff18:01
Quuhue.18:01
Quu"ERROR: Unknown Error"18:01
tango_another question: what _is_ the twitter app that gets invoked from the notification?18:01
tango_it doesn't seem to be listed among the apps18:01
FireFlyStskeeps: is the update supposed to remove the tutorial app?18:01
tango_is it only accessible from notifications?18:01
Elleotango_: it just loads the twitter mobile website18:01
StskeepsFireFly: let's assume something went wrong for a bit ;)18:01
HartziFireFly: yes I think so18:01
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FireFlyHm ok18:02
tango_Elleo: when you say "go to twitter" yes. but not when showing the twits18:02
ElleoStskeeps: after installing the upgrade a second time it appears to have been applied18:02
Elleotango_: oh do you mean on the event screen?18:02
tango_yes18:02
tango_is that just the notification app handling twitter internally?18:02
Elleothat's part of the event screen18:02
Elleoyeah18:02
Azogdoes google play still work with the update?18:03
tango_anyway, servers still hammered apparently18:03
pdanek1Guys, does it happen to you too? I try to update the device, it says downloading... then it finishes but version stays the same and I can update again.18:03
Stskeepspdanek1: got developer mode or not?18:03
tango_has anybody tried playing spaceteam (android game) in sailfish?18:03
pdanek1Stskeeps: no devel mode18:03
pdanek1yet18:03
pdanek1just unpacked the device today18:03
pdanek1I mean, unboxed18:03
Stskeepsok18:03
Elleopdanek1: after doing the update a second time it worked for me18:03
Stskeepsi'll flash a device with 1.0.0.5 now and go through same things as you guys18:04
Stskeepsand then 1.12 afterwards18:04
tango_so I should disable devel mode before running the upgrade?18:04
pp_hmn, looks like reauthenticating google made calendars work18:04
pdanek1let me see one more time18:04
Elleotango_: worked for me in devel mode (after doing it twice)18:04
pdanek1Stskeeps: ag ok18:04
PlntStskeeps: as for your question regarding updating. i still get the "Problem with store" message when trying to do system update (i didn't updated any of the apps). i don't have developer mode enabled.18:04
pdanek1now I was watching the process all time and it sais: problem with store18:04
VenemoStskeeps: I'm curious how it'll go. I have developer mode enabled and the upgrade worked, however the tutorial app disappeared18:05
pdanek1says*18:05
Elleoproblem with store seems to be issues downloading due to the load18:05
ElleoI had to try quite a few times before it downloaded it each time18:05
pdanek1alright18:05
StskeepsPlnt: close and open store?18:05
pdanek1Stskeeps: so false alert, don't flash18:05
krnlyngis there a way to change the "swipe from edge of screen" behaviour?18:05
Stskeepspdanek1: will do anyway18:05
Stskeeps:P18:05
PlntStskeeps: i tried even to reboot the device18:05
PlntStskeeps: it didn't help18:05
StskeepsPlnt: hmm ok18:05
StskeepsPlnt: you're on what version?18:05
PlntStskeeps: 1.0.1.1218:06
tobiskithe store app wont even start on my device, it says "loading" on the cover for a while and then disappears18:06
Elleotobiski: I suspect you upgraded the jolla apps?18:06
Pnuutobiski: try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/18:06
Elleotobiski: if so you'll need to upgrade the store-client manually, as it gets broken by upgrading the jolla apps prior to doing the system upgrade18:07
pdanek1Can I even setup automatic updating? :O18:07
tobiskiit said that there are updates for apps but when I selected "update all" they all just went to "waiting" state and stayed at that point18:07
tango_oh wait I should upgrade the os before the apps?18:07
HtheBElleo: yeah :(18:07
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Elleotango_: yeah, the apps will break the store18:07
Elleotango_: and if you don't have developer mode enabled you won't be able to fix it with out resetting the device18:07
__pv_the server still seems to be quite overloaded...18:08
tango_Elleo: good to know18:08
tobiskiElleo: thanks, I'll try the solution in the link18:08
tango_I'll stop the apps upgrade. stuck in waiting ayway18:08
Hartziwtf store doesn't update the email client. Can I do it manually with terminal?18:08
StskeepsHartzi: give it a bit, e-mail was part of the cause of the troubles people are seeing :)18:09
ElleoHartzi: I wouldn't recommend upgrading anything until you've managed to get the OS update installed18:09
HartziI just managed to do it18:09
Venemoso...18:09
Elleoah, good18:09
PlntStskeeps: btw. is there some risk when developer mode is enabled during the updates or it doesn't matter?18:09
VenemoJolla didn't anticipate that all owners will want to update at once and doesn't have enough server capacity?18:09
ShadowJK:)18:09
ElleoPlnt: there's a risk in *not* having developer mode enabled, since you can't rescue it when it breaks without a reset ;)18:09
Stskeepswell, only a risk if you didn't do something stupid :P (developer mode)18:10
PlntElleo: yeah i know about that one but i mean if there is some problem with it the opposite way18:10
ShadowJKVenemo; suddenly one realizes why androids spread out updates over months18:10
tango_so some dependency is marked incorrectly?18:10
PlntElleo: like the updates are not tested the same way with developer mode enabled18:10
pp_so, could someone confirm that relogging in to google makes the calendars work so I can put a useful answer on together.jolla.com?-)18:10
tobiskiElleo: thanks, the solution on tjc worked and phone is now loading OS update18:10
Elleotobiski: great :)18:11
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tobiskiI searched for the os update when I read the news about new version and at the same time store informed that I have updates for apps and apparently I tried to update the apps first18:12
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Nicd-os update downloading \o/18:12
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Elleotobiski: yeah, that's what I did too; it's a pretty nasty bug18:12
tobiskioh, now I'm in the situtation where it gives "problem with store" error when trying to download the os update. I guess there's nothing much to do but wait18:13
stephgevening everyone18:13
tobiskiand try again after it fails :)18:13
Elleotobiski: yeah, it just takes a number of attempts18:13
Nicd-ok, problem with store here too18:14
spider-mariotobiski : if you actually have updated your apps, then the store app is broken, cf. https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-385518:14
celeron55what does a down arrow inside a circle mean in the home screen?18:14
Nicd-should wait for a while I guess18:15
celeron55or whatever the first screen is18:15
spider-mariooh, sorry, you’ve been here for a moment. :p18:15
stephgceleron55 an update is available for an app18:15
Nicd-celeron55: updates available for apps. swipe up18:15
celeron55and the number "2" next to it18:15
Morpog_PCceleron55, it means update available18:15
Nicd-from below the screen18:15
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celeron55i see18:15
Elleoceleron55: but don't upgrade those apps until you've done the OS upgrade18:15
Nicd-celeron55: but don't update the apps if you haven't updated your OS yet18:15
tango_celeron55: yo, how soon can we expect a minetest for sailfish os? ;-)18:16
celeron55it does say the OS is up-to-date18:16
tango_celeron55: if you don't have .2.5 it'snot up to date18:16
tango_it just fails to contact the server because the server is overloaded18:16
celeron55why doesn't it say that? 8)18:16
Venemosomeone restart that server already18:16
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* sjn concurs18:17
sjnjust got the phone \o/18:17
celeron55is there an update announcement somewhere?18:18
tobiskispider-mario: thanks, already got that part figure out18:18
sjnbtw, trying to install gPodder as described on http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS18:18
tango_celeron55: on together.jolla.com and on the mailing list18:19
sjnno zypper(1) binary available. what's the correct way?18:19
celeron55apparently here https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/002273.html18:19
Nicd-sjn: you need to pkcon isntall zypper18:19
Nicd-install*18:19
sjnok, I'll try that18:19
FireFlyceleron55: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ too18:20
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micko_yay. something from bluetooth seems to fixed as well... I couldn't get my bt headphones (dealextreme quality) paired with jolla couple days ago but now it worked \o/18:25
ShadowJKI found I have to do 7 retries with anything bluetooth18:26
micko_google play music works as well, but headphones' "next" button only fast forwards the song. doesn't skip to next18:26
micko_ShadowJK: everyhing else with bt has worked for me. except syncing contacts from n90018:27
ShadowJKsyncing with N900 was only thing that worked on first attempt for me18:27
micko_hehe18:27
sjnSo, where's the faq that mentions what to do when pkcon says "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)"?18:27
sjn</noob>18:28
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TofeWhat is that "Recovery mode" you are talking about in the release notes ? Kind of similar to android's ?18:30
Pnuuwe (well, Stskeeps really) found out that my phone is downloading the package updates in the background18:31
shanttu_mobilehow to add a repo from openrepos? for example https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu18:31
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FireFlyTofe: kind of similar to N900's flasher, I think (and kind of similar to android too)18:31
pp_https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/  has details18:31
Pnuuexplains why my connection is so laggy :-P18:31
FireFlyPnuu: how did you figure that out?18:32
Pnuutype pkmon in the terminal18:33
FireFlyoh, useful command18:33
HtheBGuys, if I update the "store" before updating the system, does that mean I can't update the system anymore?18:33
FireFly"status  finished" → "Problem with Store"18:34
* FireFly is skeptical18:34
cdpThere's definitely something wrong with my Store app. Whenever I try to start it and fails, and this is what I see in the journal: http://pastebin.com/ykwwqPDH18:34
parasemicupdates still not working?18:34
cdpAnd I have two update notifications that I can't run :\18:34
tango_hm one thing the phone needs is: support for zeroconf/avahi/bonjour and a way to set the phone name (for dhcp and stuff)18:34
cdpthe system update, and 2 apps18:34
ElleoHtheB: I installed the upgrade after updating store-client to fix the breakage from upgrade the jolla apps18:34
cdpshould I try to upgrade it via terminal?18:35
ElleoHtheB: I had to run the upgrade twice though18:35
HtheBI cant run it at all :/18:35
FireFlycdp: did you update apps before system, and now the store closes instantly when you start it?18:35
spider-mariooh18:35
spider-marioInstalled       jolla-email-0.0.76-10.18.1.jolla.armv7hl        Jolla Email Application18:35
spider-marioAvailable       jolla-email-0.0.73-10.17.1.jolla.armv7hl        Jolla Email Application18:35
cdpFireFly, yes18:35
HtheBwhen I pull down to select upgrade, not hing happens at all18:35
FireFlycdp: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-385518:35
cdpI only got the app updates at first, so I went for it18:35
ElleoHtheB: sounds like you've upgraded some jolla apps already then18:35
Pnuutango_: I think most of those has been suggested at together18:35
spider-marioso, when the store tells me there is an upgrade for the email app, it actually means there’s a downgrade?18:35
ElleoHtheB: so you have to upgrade the store-client for it to start working again18:35
tango_Pnuu: I couldn't actually find it. I'll look better18:35
ElleoHtheB: pkcon install store-client18:36
phaeronspider-mario: we reverted the breaking package18:36
Aardspider-mario: temporary workaround for an issue we discovered during rollout, will be back to 0.0.76 once a proper fix is in place.18:36
spider-mariook18:36
spider-marioso, I should downgrade?18:36
ElleoHtheB: then pkill store-client18:36
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cdpFireFly, thanks, trying it now.18:36
parasemicguys, whats the situation? i still cant upgrade18:36
Aardspider-mario: if you're alreaty on 1.0.2.25 you can stay with the version18:36
spider-mariook18:36
Aardspider-mario: the breakage is only in some update-scenarios from an old version, preventing upgrade18:37
Pnuutango_: yeah, the search isn't that intuitive18:37
Pnuuparasemic: try pkmon command in fingerterm18:37
jupajaah so there more outthere how cant update there Jolla okay :D18:37
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tango_Pnuu: well, zerocnf, bonjour and avahi all return nothing18:37
tango_neither does dhcp18:38
tango_zeroconf, I mean, of course18:38
Pnuuparasemic: for me, it's doing downloads in the background18:38
parasemicpnuu: explain a bit more?18:38
Pnuutango_: https://together.jolla.com/question/323/dhcp-client-seems-to-send-localhost-as-hostname/18:38
jupajais there a workoaround to faorce the update?18:38
tango_Pnuu: ok the search is really not working then18:39
Pnuuparasemic: do you have dev mode enabled?18:39
Pnuutango_: it works, in a way..18:39
parasemicPnuu: ofc18:39
tango_Pnuu: ok, is there one about zeroconf?18:39
Pnuuparasemic: open terminal and write pkmon + press enter18:40
parasemictransactions: none18:40
parasemicdaemon connected18:40
parasemicnetwork online18:40
Pnuuparasemic: it shows what's happening with packageKit at the moment18:40
tango_btw a very useful cli tool which is missing is _less_18:40
QuuStskeeps: feature-eas-xxx is missing and cant update18:40
tango_I can't seem to find it at all though18:40
Pnuufor me, it's doing the downloads18:40
cdptango_, it can be installed. you need to activate repo mer-tools18:40
parasemicPnuu what does it help?18:41
tango_ah18:41
tango_cdp: interesting, thanks18:41
tango_cdp: does it also have mc? 8-D18:41
parasemicgoes up to 12% and then stops18:41
HtheBElleo: ah, so the "system upgrade" is also from the store!?18:41
HtheBnow i get it! :)18:41
FireFlyPnuu: for me, it seems to download stuff, then install stuff, then finish.. but it still thinks it's on 1.0.1.12 and looks like before upgrade, so seemingly nothing was actually updated...18:41
HtheBthats why nothing happens18:41
Pnuuparasemic: for me the help was, that it _is_ doing atleast the download18:42
HtheBthis is pretty bad tbh for the 'n00bs'18:42
cdptango_, haven't found mc :(18:42
nanderThere is a reason for the update not working?18:42
tango_reading this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9203618:43
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tango_so there IS a file manager!18:43
tango_btw, git seems to be installed already18:44
tango_even without mer-tools18:44
spider-marioyes, appearently git is installed by default. :p18:44
Pnuutango_: git is used for backups :-)18:44
spider-mariowhoa, is it?18:44
parasemici highly doubt the store can be overloaded anymore, so what is the problem with the update??18:44
tango_Pnuu: really?18:44
tango_wait, backups of what?18:44
Pnuucheck /home/nemo/.vault/18:44
tango_Pnuu: no such file or directory18:45
Pnuutango_: well, then you don't have any backups, I guess :-)18:46
parasemicok now the update wont even download up to 12%, but stops @ 018:46
tango_well I haven't backed up anything18:46
tango_so, pkcon refresh refreshed the repos18:46
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tango_can I try the actual OS upgrade from the CLI too?18:46
Quui get errors with pkcon refresh :p18:46
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anacronsame here18:48
cdp"File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/?credentials=store'18:48
Quuyeah same18:48
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hannes__when looking what it's doing when i try to upgrade with pkmon I see it's doing a refresh-cahce and finishes immediately (tough percentage is 0)18:48
anacroni get authentication failed18:48
cdphttp://pastebin.com/pe2kQ8SH18:48
phaeronanacron: are you on a jolla device ?18:48
anacronyes18:49
tango_[root@dhcppc6 ~]# ssu ar mer-tools18:49
tango_[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist18:50
tango_come on18:50
ShadowJKoh hey, the tutorial app vanished after update18:50
fk_lxAard: is the updating ok now? I get 'problem with store" while trying to download updates :-(18:50
stephgfk_lx, ditto :(18:50
spider-mariotutorial app gone here too, which I find a pitty since I intended to use it to show other people how the UI works18:50
Aardfk_lx: for that one you need some patience18:51
Pnuufk_lx: same here, alhtough I think the phone already downloaded all the packages18:51
ShadowJKI thought removing it was dangerous, though maybe that is fixed now?18:51
AardShadowJK: that's fixed in update218:51
* stephg tries to be patient like a good boy18:51
tango_what is the home repository?18:51
Nicd-Aard: update2, as in does the new update have an update already?18:52
fk_lxAard: ah ok18:52
hannes__Aard: but I get the "problem wiht store immediately"18:52
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fk_lxAard: danke ;-)18:52
stephghannes__, I also had that18:52
stephgthis time it seems to be doing something18:52
hannes__and pkmon says it does a refresh-cache18:52
hannes__and finishes immediately18:53
spider-mariodoes the music app load cover from any format? doesn’t work here with flac.18:53
spider-mariowould ogg/flac work better?18:53
stephghannes__, again mine did that, then is now downloading things18:53
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Yanielspider-mario: I have had problems with flac and m4a18:55
cdpmy Android update is stuck in downloading, however there's no network activity18:55
Yanielboth embedded covers and cover.jpg18:55
spider-mariook18:55
spider-mariodo other formats work fine?18:56
Yanielnot tested18:56
spider-mariook, thanks :)18:56
Yanielmy my, the update really has killed somethin18:56
HtheBElleo: you there?18:56
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parasemicwow18:57
parasemicmy update actually loads now18:58
parasemic*crossing fingers*18:58
parasemic100%!18:58
anacronI wonder why mine doesn't work at all18:58
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parasemici was stuck with instant error while downloading until now18:59
jupajaAnyone with Update Problem?18:59
jupajaTry this fingerterm or via ssh18:59
jupajapkcon install store-client18:59
jupajapkill store-client18:59
jupajaopen Setting and check for updates and download them ;)18:59
jupajasource: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-385518:59
Yanielit hasn't even offered the update to me so far18:59
anacroninstall fails at authentication failed...18:59
pettterdownloading it now19:00
parasemicmy phone is atleast downloading the packages now19:00
pettterover an open network at 30c319:00
pettter...might not be a wise idea19:00
nandermy jolla doesn't even find the update..19:00
nanderWas it revoked?19:00
parasemicnander have you rebooted?19:00
Stskeepswe still have some problems with infra, stand by..19:00
Yaniel"some"19:00
nanderI'll reboot *again*19:01
Quunander: pkcon says missing files19:01
Quuso, just wait19:01
tango_interesting, I didn't actually run the upgrade but now ssu release claims 1.0.2.5 wtf?19:01
Stskeepstango_: norma19:01
Stskeepsl19:01
tango_so ssu release is NOT my current release19:01
Pnuubest description so far "let [them] unfuck it first"19:01
tango_Stskeeps: and is this [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist19:01
anacrontango_: mine says the same19:01
tango_normal too?19:01
tango_(running ssu ur)19:01
parasemicseems like a best option to just wait and not try any duct tape shit in terminal :p19:02
Stskeepstango_: normal19:02
tango_ok19:02
Stskeepsyes19:02
Stskeepsno duct tape please19:02
* tango_ isn't duct taping19:02
tango_I just wanted to install less 8-D19:02
nanderstill 'Checking for update'19:02
nanderCould it be that a wifi network with a custom config isn't seen as a wifi network?19:03
parasemicduct tape works in 99% of scenarios but this might be the exeption19:03
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tango_nander: I suspect it's just the usual server overload19:03
Yanieltango_: alias it to more for now? :P19:03
tango_Yaniel: as if 8-P19:03
Quulibhybris missing :p19:04
hannes__ok19:04
tango_pkcon install less seems to be proceeding19:04
cdpfinally, system udpate took off... I am watching it via pkmon19:04
hannes__seems pkcon update wasa (quite) successfull19:04
cdpah... damn it... it failed in the middle. I hope this won't be it completely. :(19:05
hannes__for some reason my Jolla doesn't like booting when attached to a charger19:06
jussiHows the eta On Sail fish for android coming along?19:06
nanderlots of phones don't19:06
* jussi waves to Stskeeps 19:06
Yanielwoou, update available19:07
tango_on sail fish?19:07
Yanielsail-on-fish19:07
parasemicyay, install finished19:07
Quujussi pls engrish19:07
parasemicfish on sail?19:07
Yanielfish on -sail19:08
Yanielyeah that sounds good19:08
tango_sailfish for android?19:08
tango_please no19:08
jussieta=estimated time of arrival19:08
stephgeep my GSM seems to have gone19:09
tobiskiI got the OS update installed but now my Camera app wont start anymore o_O19:09
* tango_ runs upgrades without creating backups, is that stupid?19:09
tango_jussi: what is On Sail fish for android?19:09
tobiskiand Jolla Store doesn't give any updates for camera app19:09
jussihttp://m.gsmarena.com/sailfish_os_will_be_available_for_android_users_to_install-news-7295.php19:10
stephgoh no it's back19:10
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tango_jussi: as long as it replaces the android, that's fine19:11
tango_but having it run _inside_ android would suck big times19:12
HtheBStskeeps: you there?19:12
* tango_ probably shouldn't download the sailfish os upgrades while downloading all the humble bundle stuff19:13
jussitango_: Yep19:13
PnuuHtheB: might be a bit busy :-)19:13
HtheBI guess so :P19:13
tango_jussi: that I would actually like. wonder how it would run on a TF700T19:13
jussitango_: could be Interesting...19:14
Plntwow.. download finished, now installing :)19:14
Plntfingers crossed19:14
Plnt;]19:14
Quuyaaay installing19:14
Yanieldownload almost finished ^^19:14
Quu20% installing already19:14
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Tofefor me it fails near the beginning of the download, it's a bit weird19:15
PlntTofe: yes i had that, too19:15
QuuTofe: use CLI :p19:16
Tofeand of course, just as I say that, the download succeeds19:16
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Pnuuhaaay, I guess I got it downloading, too19:16
Yanielhmm is there anything interesting in the humble bundle?19:17
Pnuupkmon refreshes percentage downloaded19:17
Yanielpkmon?19:17
stephgpkmon!19:17
Pnuuand now downloading kernel-adaptation-sbj19:17
PnuuYaniel: pokemon, gotta catch 'em all19:17
PnuuYaniel: shows what the package manager is doing19:18
Yanielnice19:18
tango_actually, I'm thinking that the sailfish ui on a 10" tablet might NOT be that nice19:18
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cdpperfect... everything went fine, eventually. running pkcon get-updates shows there's nothing left to update.19:19
Tofetango_: I think the same; as is, the pulley menu would be a bit weird19:19
Tofebut then again, maybe I'm wrong19:19
tango_esp in landscape mode19:19
tango_would be interesting to try though19:19
jupajaso works for me 1.0.2.519:19
Pnuu"System update downloaded" \o/19:20
Plntwohoo.. updated & reboot successfull!19:20
PlntStskeeps: thanks for the help! :)19:20
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Plntwhat's strange is that the apps are not marked as not up to date, now19:21
Plntthey all seems to be up to date even though i didn't updated them19:21
YanielI'd guess it updated them along with the system19:21
tango_would be interesting to try though19:21
Plntprobably19:21
tango_ehm19:21
ElleoHtheB: I am now19:22
Pnuuinstallation beer!19:22
tango_I suspect the OS upgrade does a pkcon update, and thus upgrades ALL packages19:22
stephgtango_, looks like it does19:22
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tobiskiDoes anyone else's camera app crash when starting it, after the os update?19:23
HtheBdo you know how big the system update is/19:23
HtheB?19:23
Stskeepstobiski: i'm very interested in your /var/log/zypp logs19:23
tobiskiStskeeps: ok, hold on a sec19:23
Tofetobiski: mine works well19:24
Yanielhmmm the update shuffled my app icons in the main menu19:25
HarhaanJohtajaYaniel: tutorial app is probably missing?19:25
Yanielah right19:25
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Yanielnow it has steam at that location :D19:26
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Venemomail app doesn't want to update for me19:26
nanderMine already shuffled once for no reason19:26
Venemoit says "waiting" for a long time19:26
nanderfunny thing is: the first 8 icons are still the same19:26
nanderafter that, android apps, after that jolla preinstalled19:27
StskeepsVenemo: i'd recommend doing the update first19:27
Venemoand then it says "problem with installing jolla-mail"19:27
Stskeepsie, of system19:27
Pnuuyay, 1.0.2.519:27
PnuuStskeeps: thanks for the help :-)19:27
nanderI still can't find 1.0.2.519:27
VenemoStskeeps: I already updated the system in the early afternoon19:27
QuuVenemo: i had to "pkcon install jolla-email"19:27
Yanielstill can't add more calendars :(19:27
nanderDoes whatsapp work better in 1.0.2.5?19:28
nandereg. contacts integration19:28
Quunander: install the "mitakuuluu" app19:28
VenemoQuu: that seemed to workforme too19:29
nandernice name... Almost understandable to non-finnish ;)19:29
tobiskiStskeeps: http://pastebin.com/DD8CW8dM there's everything after the first attempt of system update19:29
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Plntnow jolla store says there is 1.0.2.5 update available for download even though i just finished installing it and it's in about product. wtf19:30
Plntis this okay and shall i proceed with it?19:30
VenemoQuu: however store still thinks that there's an update for the email app19:30
PnuuPlnt: I didn't get that19:31
phaeronVenemo: it's a downgrade19:31
Yanielstore does not think anything here19:31
Venemophaeron: what?19:31
Venemois there a solution for the disappeared tutorial app btw?19:31
nanderI can't find a mitakuuluu app in the store19:31
Plntok, i'll try to download it19:31
phaeronjolla-email update was pulled as it breaks systems on older version.19:31
Pnuunow I think it's time to go hunt all fixed stuff from together19:32
HarhaanJohtajanander: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu19:32
Plntinstalling19:32
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Venemophaeron: so I can't get the newer version even if I'm on the newer OS?19:32
Venemophaeron: that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire life19:32
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cvphello19:33
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Yanielheh, nice icon in mitakuuluu19:33
phaeronVenemo: we'll put the new version back once it is fixed19:33
Plntok, installation done and it says up to date, now19:33
Plntthe second 1.0.2.5 update was quite quick19:33
nanderhow do I install a .rpm file?19:34
cvpis there now a solution to mark all emails as read?19:34
cvp@nander with File Browser19:34
Pnuunander: pkcon instal-local package.rpm19:34
cvpfrom store19:34
cvp@nander http://sailfishmods.de/dlinfo.html19:35
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Venemophaeron: why do you even allow users of the old OS version to download apps that are intended for the new OS version?19:38
nanderit just keeps loading and loading19:38
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phaeronVenemo: apps are independent of the OS "core"19:39
Venemophaeron: I see that, just don't understand why19:39
tango_there is a file browser?19:40
PnuuVenemo: so in your opinion all the software should be updated/repackaged for new OS version?19:40
tango_is it in the new os?19:40
Pnuutango_: jolla-filemon19:40
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Pnuuwas already in .10 and .1219:40
tango_really? but with no icon, I assume?19:41
tango_I must have missed something19:41
HarhaanJohtajathere is file browser in the store19:41
HtheByaay finally updated !19:41
msknightHow do I find out what version of jolla-email I have installed please?19:41
tango_HarhaanJohtaja: I coudn't find an official jolla one though19:41
HarhaanJohtajanot by jolla19:42
tobiskiStskeeps: nothing that a boot wont fix :D rebooted my phone and camera now works19:42
tango_but I assume this jolla-filemon IS an official one by jolla?19:42
nanderthere is a filebrowser in the repos19:42
nanderWhich is a better one ;)19:42
Yaniel*jolla-fileman19:42
tango_fileman19:43
Waitee_okay19:43
tango_I'm pretty sure it didn't show in the store19:43
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Waiteei couldnt install any updates so i did a factory reset19:43
Yanielyeah it is not in store (yet)19:43
YanielI just had to wait for a while for the update to show up at all19:44
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tango_I'm pretty sure it didn't show in the store19:45
nanderWaiting in queue when I do pkcon install-local harbour-mitakuuluu*..*rpm19:45
tango_damnit wrong window again19:46
Waiteenow it's looking for an update19:46
Waiteebeen for 20 minutes19:46
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msknightDon't worry, I've got it. 73-10.17.119:46
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niqthi19:46
Pnuunander: maybe you have the same situation I did, there's the package updates running in the background19:46
niqtmy device after last upadte is frozen19:47
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Pnuunander: check pkmon command in terminal19:47
niqthow i can reflash it?19:47
PnuuStskeeps: ^19:47
tumpelorunning system update19:47
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VenemoPnuu: in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to install apps designed for a newer OS version on an older OS version19:47
Waiteeand jolla store cant find any apps to download19:47
tobiskiapparently the os update enabled or at least started the tohd.service after boot19:48
PnuuVenemo: well, the infrastructure didn't change, so why not allow it?19:48
tumpelorebooting19:48
Pnuuupdating together19:49
nanderdaemon connected=119:49
nanderdaemon locked=119:49
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nandernetwork status=online19:49
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ShadowJKVenemo: email update killing store was clearly a fuckup that wasnt supposed to happen19:49
msknightniqt, Frozen where? Won't boot at all?19:49
niqti see only jolla banner19:50
msknightniqt, Ah. Sorry. I'm not going to be much help.19:50
Pnuuniqt: on a black background?19:51
Pnuuthe white one?19:51
niqtyes19:51
niqtthe boot banner19:51
Pnuuniqt: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/#details19:51
Pnuuniqt: check if those help19:51
Pnuu(assuming the upgrade went through :-P)19:52
tumpeloand it seems to work19:53
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VenemoPnuu: because obviously if the app uses an API not present on the old OS, it will not work19:54
w00tVenemo: the breakage was accidental19:54
PnuuVenemo: that shouldn't be a reason to block those apps that _do_ work, though :-P19:54
tumpeloSetting -> About product report "Maadajävri"19:54
tumpeloInstalling the file manager from the Jolla Store works19:55
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nanderare the fact that when trying to install I get 'waiting' and not getting the update correlated?19:58
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Pnuunander: have you done this? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/19:59
nanderlocks at the first step (pkcon install store-client)20:01
niqtpnuu i see: Error: invalid boot imsge header; ERROR: could not do normal boot. Reverting to fastboot mode, but nothing happens20:01
nandernothing happens20:01
phaeronStskeeps: maybe you can help niqt20:01
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restless_beinghah, thanks Quu and al. for mentioning mitakuuluu20:01
tango_anyway, in all this mess, let me say again that the battery is GREAT20:02
Yanieloh right, tohd.service20:02
nanderstill nothing20:02
Pnuuniqt: I think the safest bet is to try contacting Stskeeps when he's active20:02
niqtok20:02
PnuuYaniel: the sysctl mask tohd.service rocks20:03
nanderpkcon install store-client doesn't work20:03
tobiskiWhen disabling the tohd.service, what's the difference between mask and disable commands?20:03
Pnuunander: does pkmon list anything active?20:03
Quurestless_being: np.20:03
Pnuutobiski: mask prevents other sysctl stuff startin said process20:03
restless_beingnander: did you devel-su?20:04
Pnuurestless_being: not needed for pkcon20:04
nanderrestless_being -- yes20:04
nanderPnuu, it lists loads20:04
restless_beingPnuu: ah.. didn't know that20:04
Pnuunander: something where the last number is getting larger?20:04
tobiskiPnuu: ok, thanks20:05
nander1 -> /243_caddccca20:05
nander2 -> /244_abdeaddb20:05
nander3 -> /245_eedeedea20:05
nandereedeedeaa*20:05
nander4 -> /246 _ddcddbed20:06
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Pnuunander: is the last one something like this: /770_cdbdcaeeitem-progress droid-system-sbj;0.2.9-10.12.1.jolla;armv7hl;adaptation1,81 [unknown]20:06
nandernope20:06
Pnuuhmm, ok20:06
nander246 is the highest20:06
nander243 is in the state setup20:07
nander244 is in the state wait and so are 245 and 24620:07
Nicd-yay, update went fine20:08
Nicd-and calendar works, didn't even need to re-login20:08
Pnuunander: I think it's updating packages then, so just wait until you get "Transactions [none]" :-)20:08
Waiteei did a factory reset and now it keeps searching for the update20:08
ln-successfully updated to maadajävri, only minor problem found so far is the phone forgetting my favorite ambiences.20:08
Nicd-mine didn't20:09
Nicd-but tutorial app is gone20:09
nanderIs it possible to backup the device?20:10
nanderSo I can restore?20:10
Quuhmm btw, someone was talking about default ambiences20:10
Quunever seen any lol20:10
ln-now that you mention it, my tutorial app is gone also.20:10
nanderI don't think what's happening right now is good20:10
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Nicd-nander: yes, there's a backup section in the settings app20:11
Waiteestill checking for updates20:12
nanderbackups are kept at a factory reset?20:12
spider-mariowtf, there’s swi-prolog on the phone20:12
spider-mario:D20:12
spider-marionow that I think about it, I seem to recall that there’s a piece of software in MeeGo that’s written in Prolog20:12
spider-mariobut I don’t remember what20:13
Nicd-nander: I think not20:13
Stskeepsspider-mario: policy framework20:13
spider-mariooh, ok20:13
spider-marionice. :p20:13
Stskeepsnander: they're not, all data is removed20:13
Stskeepsnander: what problem do you have?20:13
Waiteeyay20:13
YanielQuu in gallery?20:13
Waiteefound the update20:13
QuuYaniel: yes.20:13
spider-mariobut appearently, I was thinking of maemo-multimedia20:13
QuuYaniel: i didnt even know there was default ones before someone talked about them today20:14
Waiteepreparing to download20:14
Yanielhaha20:14
Waiteehmm20:14
Waiteestill preparing to download20:14
nanderIt seems my device is stuck in a wait/setup loop20:15
nanderIt doesn't continue20:15
Quuso, any way to install those default ambiences?20:15
Quupkcon install insertsomethinghere20:15
Venemotango_: agreed, battery life is great20:15
Waiteethis loads for a long time20:16
nander /243_caddccca role resolve20:16
nander /243_caddccca percentage -120:16
nander /243_caddccca status setup20:16
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nanderthat has been the case for god knows how long20:18
ShadowJKaw, niqt left befor sts returned20:18
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StskeepsShadowJK: debugging with him atm20:19
nanderwhere is the backup file stored?20:19
phaeronnander: do you have zypper ?20:19
Stskeepsnander: /home/nemo/.vault20:20
ShadowJKoh, cool20:20
nanderphaeron, no20:20
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nanderreset is awfully quick ;)20:24
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Nicd-nander: that's btrfs20:25
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nebukJolla running 1.0.1.12 suddently started boot looping during normal operation20:36
nebukdev mode is enabled, but hasn't been used20:37
nebukAny idea what could be the cause?20:37
Stskeepsnot offhand, have you by chance removed the battery at any point / in a bad manner or removed the tutorial app?20:37
Quuany way to install jolla-preload-ambiences?20:37
QuuStskeeps: is it jolla-startupwizard-tutorial?20:38
nebukStskeeps: Battery was removed only after boot loop occurred, and tutorial has not been uninstalled.20:39
Stskeepsnebuk: okay20:40
Stskeepsnebuk: would you like to factory reset your device?20:40
nebuksure if it can bring it back to life20:40
Quuuh? bootloops might be because i removed tutorial app?20:40
Stskeepsand do you have a linux machine, if so, what distribution?20:40
Quuthats bit shitty.20:40
StskeepsQuu: i usually call this kind of stuff distribution jenga20:40
Stskeeps:P20:40
nanderIt seems I can't enable developer mode20:40
nanderBecause jolla servers are ddossed20:41
QuuStskeeps: so, anyway to reinstall the tutorial?20:41
StskeepsQuu: yeah i think that's startupwizard20:41
nebukstskeeps: not at the moment, but I can surely set one up.20:41
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Stskeepsnebuk: mac?20:41
Stskeepsor windows..20:41
nanderthe servers are still overloaded?20:41
QuuStskeeps: hmm, how do i installs it? gives me some error20:41
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PnuuQuu: pkcon install jolla-startupwizard-tutorial  should do it20:44
Quuderp.20:45
PnuuQuu: what's the error message?20:45
Quui tried with all the 0.0.74's20:45
nebukstskeeps: i don't have a computer available at the moment, so I'll need to get back with this issue later.20:46
Stskeepsnebuk: ah, okay20:46
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Quugoddamn that boot took long20:49
Quubut no brick yay20:49
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Quuyay, preload ambiences20:49
nanderDoes developer mode require the jolla servers?20:49
Kilian__Hi20:49
Stskeepshi Kilian__20:49
Nicd-nander: yes20:49
StskeepsKilian__: you had a device that is in reboot loop after the upgrade?20:49
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nanderso I'm stuck on 1.0.0.5 for a while?20:49
Kilian__Yes stskeeps20:49
edgars:)20:50
StskeepsKilian__: okay, do you have a linux PC or a mac?20:50
Kilian__sorry there was a lot of time that use IRC for last time20:50
Kilian__i have linux box (debian jessie) and Windows 7 64 bits20:51
StskeepsKilian__: ok, i'll send you a private message20:51
phaeronnander: you reset and still can't update ?20:52
nanderaffirmative20:52
phaeronnander: did you recreate your jolla account ?20:53
pdanek1Store still overloaded? Same issue.20:53
nanderStuck on a checking... loop20:53
nanderAh, forgot to login....20:53
phaeronpdanek1: store should be responding now.20:53
pdanek1phaeron: so maybe rebooting device?20:53
pdanek1phaeron: to clean cache or something?20:54
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nebukI haven't been able to connect via ssh to Jolla after 1.0.2.5 update.. known issue or something wrong with my internet settings?20:55
phaeronpdanek1: worth a shot. ( otherwise zypper clean -a )20:55
nebukthis one is a different Jolla, not the bricked one20:55
Pnuupdanek1: I might have already pasted this, but: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/20:55
Pnuunebuk: I can connect20:55
pdanek1thank20:55
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nebukpnuu: thanks, I'll need to check my router settings or something then20:56
nanderIt claims 1.0.0.5 is up to date20:56
nanderWTH?20:56
Quuhue20:57
nanderproblem installing jolla-developer-mode20:57
Milo-ooh, an update :o20:57
nanderSeems somethings is going very wrong20:57
nander1.0.0.5 is UP TO DATE according to my jolla20:58
Stskeepsare you connected to a wifi network?20:58
Quunander: atleast its not 0.0.98 like that one dude had ;p20:58
Milo-oh dear.. probably shouldn't have backed up gallery and playlist.20:58
nanderStskeeps, I am20:59
nanderIt doesn't fail to update, it merely claims there are no updates20:59
nandereverything says problem with store21:00
nanderInstalling an app doesn't work either21:00
Quuso, you dont have dev-mode to update the phone with? :p21:01
nanderaffirmative21:01
Milo-google calendar sync. awesome. Even though I would appreciate two-way sync.21:01
nanderIt seems the update path from 1.0.0.5 was removed21:01
phaeronnander: not really21:01
nanderOr maybe the store was updated after 1.0.1.11 and thus the connection with the store was closed21:01
Eztrannander: very much doubt that, or phones wouldn't work after reset.21:02
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FireFlyQuu: 0.0.98? isn't that earlier than factory initial-release version? :p21:04
FireFlySpeaking of updates, how is the google calendar sync supposed to work?21:05
HarhaanJohtajaFireFly: someone had a device sent by jolla employee21:05
HarhaanJohtajait wasnt sold21:05
FireFlyAh21:05
nanderI'm resetting again21:05
Quuyea21:05
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Triztdamn, update broke internet21:06
Triztdon't see my wlan anymore21:06
StskeepsTrizt: got developer mode?21:07
Triztyes21:07
Triztbut not enabled the developer repo21:07
phaeronnander: maybe there was a packagekit process running in the backlground21:07
nebukhmm... i was able to connect via ssh after disabling dev mode and re-enabling it21:07
nebukno networks changed or anything21:08
StskeepsTrizt: thats ok, you shouldn't21:08
StskeepsTrizt: can you extract /var/log/zypp/ and post them somewhere?21:08
Triztif I had ssh I wouldn't cared for devel mode21:08
AntiHawkhey whats up: jolla store won't start any more after failed application updates about 5 hours ago?21:10
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StskeepsAntiHawk: do you have developer mode?21:11
PnuuAntiHawk: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/21:11
AntiHawkok and devel mode is active21:11
nanderupdate finally found21:12
TriztStskeeps: you mean the history file?21:13
StskeepsTrizt: yeah21:13
AntiHawkservers currently overloaded?21:13
StskeepsAntiHawk: there's a bug that if you updated email, it broke store21:13
phaeronAntiHawk: what version were you on when you installed app updates ?21:14
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Sarviheh, email is the only thing i can't update21:14
b0bbenPnuu: thx for the url tip, i was in a bad state, good thing i had developer mode on ;)21:15
b0bbenwas a little scared there for a moment :P21:15
Milo-email account is unwilling to forget, that smtp-server has no password.21:15
AntiHawkshit; that must be it, any fixes yet? version was .1221:15
Pnuub0bben: no prob :-)21:15
Pnuubeen pasting that link all over :-D21:15
b0bbenit started happening just a couple of hours ago i guess? had some guests for a couple of hrs, didn't try to hammer the update servers21:16
b0bbenand boom, shit was broke :D21:16
b0bbennow it downloaded the update in mere seconds! yay!21:16
b0bben:D21:16
suyAfter the update, only one custom ambience has survived. The bookmarked ones are no more. Not a big deal at all, but should I report it somehow?21:20
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suyMmm, and only the first two ambience can have customized tones? Is this normal?21:23
Quudefault ones cant be customized21:24
Quueg. the first one21:24
nanderupdater has started21:24
nanderhalfway downloading21:24
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suyQuu: oh, true. The first two on my jolla can be customized but don't come by default. Are images outside ambience.21:25
suyThen I don't get how the feature is supposed to work, though.21:25
Quuwell, you can edit custom made thingies21:25
Quubut the defaults cant be edited21:25
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suyQuu: and do you know what's the use case for that?21:27
Quuif i understand your wording correctly, no :p21:27
Quuiekku said something about that but cant remember what it was21:28
suyQuu: ok, thank you. :)21:28
Quubut atleast for now, you cant edit them21:28
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Venemodoes the white cover have any ambience actually?21:32
b0bbenyes21:32
Venemoreally? which one is it?21:32
b0bbenbut you need to remove it and put it back with the phone on for it to trigger the change21:32
b0bbenit's called "Snow White"21:33
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b0bbendid they just sent out another update?21:33
Quumine never even triggered it21:33
Morpog_PCmine did21:33
b0bbeni'm getting update notification even tho i'm on 1.0.2.521:33
Venemob0bben: did they?21:33
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Stskeepsb0bben: might want to check you're actually upped21:34
b0bbenQuu: i only found out there was ambiance with the white cover once my kid removed it, got yelled at, and i put it back21:34
b0bbensince i put in my sim with the phone off, then started it for the first time21:34
b0bbeni guess it doesn't trigger unless phone is on and you put on the cover21:35
b0bbenStskeeps: how can I double-check?21:35
b0bbenit did a bunch of stuff :)21:35
Quub0bben: if dev-mode on, pkcon refresh -> pkcon update21:35
Morpog_PClook in settings21:35
Quuif doesnt update anything, its updated to latest :p21:36
b0bbenuname -a gives me kernel 3.4.0.20131212_321:36
Stskeepsb0bben: about21:36
Venemoah, got it21:37
Quuha21:37
b0bbenStskeeps: yeah, it says i'm on 1.0.2.521:37
b0bbenand that i have an update21:37
Quu12.12.? compiled on 17.12? :D21:37
Venemowill the snow white ambience remain on the device even if I remove the white TOH later?21:37
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QuuVenemo: yes21:37
b0bbenthat's where i checked first21:37
Venemoit's not even white21:37
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Venemoeh21:37
b0bbenpkcon says no packages to update21:37
suyb0bben's son is smarter than me. It has taken me 5 minutes to remove TOH, and put it back to get the installation message. :-P21:39
Quub0bben: ok, then it _should_ be updated21:40
pdanek1I found N900 MicroUSB cable better than Jolla's, seems better quality and a bit longer -> better with Jolla AC charger.21:40
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b0bbensuy: :D21:40
Triztthink mine bricked now21:41
pdanek1One Year limited warranty? :O Isn't it a law in EU to have 2 years for all electronics?21:41
Triztpdanek1: 3y21:41
tango_2y21:41
tango_mandated21:41
Quudepends.21:41
tango_the EU directive is 2y21:41
pdanek1But in my Jolla box, it says 1 year limited warranty.21:41
tango_pdanek1: yeah but they cannot enforce that21:41
Morpog_PCthats something different21:41
tango_i.e. you can sue21:42
shanttu_mobilen900 cable is the beast. my n9 doesn't recognize any other after.21:42
b0bbenStskeeps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcoricft9tlotbj/update_jolla.png21:42
b0bben"Uppdatering tillgänglig" -> Update available21:42
b0bbeninstalling it again, let's see what happens21:43
Quub0bben: have you rebooted? :)21:43
b0bbenit did it by itself after the progress bar21:43
Morpog_PCin germany we call the law waranty "gewährleistung" which is always 2years, and manufacturer waranty is called "garantie" which can be as long as the manufacturer wants21:43
b0bbenok, this one went really quickly21:43
nanderthat 1 year is the minimum jolla offers21:43
b0bbennot the download, but the actual upgrade21:43
Quub0bben: could be just one some package21:43
nanderif you are living in some lawless country and bought it there you still get one year21:43
nanderYou have 2 years of warranty, but that's not something between you and the manufacturer, that's something between you and the store you bought it from21:44
nanderIn the case of the current jollas these are mostly the same21:44
FireFlyStskeeps: do you happen to know what the devtool changes are supposed to do? release notes says "Fingerterm default settings are more user friendly"21:44
suyIs explained in the note, or in some screen of the phone. The 1 year warranty is in *addition* to what regulation say. As strange as it might seem.21:45
nanderseparate from21:46
nanderthe 2 year warranty is between you and the seller21:47
CoderCandyAttempt number n to get my jolla to update21:47
nanderThe 1 year is between you and the manufacturer21:47
nanderIn this case these are the same21:47
nanderBut let's say you bought your device from a DNA store21:47
nanderThen the 2 year warranty would be between you and DNA21:47
CoderCandyOkay, my store won't start at all21:47
nanderBut you would also have a 1 year warranty deal with jolla21:47
CoderCandyIdeas?21:47
suynander: good explanation. :)21:47
b0bbenCoderCandy: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/21:48
nanderFor people who preordered the 1 year is just additional cases in which your warranty is valid, it does not limit european law21:48
nanderHell, it couldn't even if they wanted21:48
CoderCandyb0bben, are they STILL overloaded?21:48
CoderCandyoh wait21:49
CoderCandyscrolled down21:49
CoderCandytrying the solution now21:49
b0bbenCoderCandy: i was in a broken state, after the fix it downloaded in seconds (on my fast-ass fiber line)21:49
msknightEnforcement can be a pain. I had a Toshiba laptop, 2 years old. Bought from eBuyer. It went faulty and I had a Toshiba report to say it was a fault, not user damage. I ended up nearly having to drag ebuyer to court.21:49
msknightIn the end, the credit card company settled with me, and they chased ebuyer.21:50
msknightI can't imagine how messy this would be across country borders, even in europe.21:50
msknightSometimes, you just have to cut your losses.21:50
nanderlol, section h is rather vague in the list of non-covered things21:51
CoderCandyYaay, update is working!21:51
nanderh) Other acts beyond the reasonable control of Jolla21:51
msknightNow ... how this works when a device borks after manufacturer instructions screw the machine up ... I'm not sure how that would stand up.21:51
msknight"We told you to do x, y, and z. You did z, y, and x. You're not covered by us."21:51
msknightI can see the arguments raging, and only the lawyers getting richer.21:52
CoderCandyWoo, downloaded in seconds!21:52
nanderThis Limited Warranty does not apply if the Product has been exposed to moisture ... to oxidation ... influence from chemical products.21:52
nanderoxidation is a fact of life..21:52
nanderThat happens all the time, because of the air the jolla is living in21:52
nanderOr am I supposed to keep it within a vacuum bubble?21:53
CoderCandynander, of course!21:53
nanderI can't reasonably be expected to keep the device within better conditions than it was in while shipped21:53
CoderCandyWe all live in a frictionless vacuum21:53
CoderCandyand we're all perfect spheres as well!21:53
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CoderCandyAnyway, thanks for the store-fix b0bben!21:53
CoderCandyAny idea HOW it got broken?21:54
msknightAfter christmas dinner, I'm workikng towards being an imperfect sphere.21:54
tango_CoderCandy: you installed some upgrades before upgrading the OS21:54
CoderCandyoh...21:54
tango_one of the app upgrades busted the shoppe21:54
nanderLol, this section is rather funny21:55
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CoderCandyb0bben, that name sounds swedish?21:55
nanderTo the extent permitted by applicable law, Jolla's liability shall be limited to the purchase value of the Product. The above limitations shall not apply to death or personal injury resulting from Jolla's proven negligence.21:55
nanderIf I hurt myself because the corners of the device ar sharp, can I claim negligence?21:56
b0bbenCoderCandy: i don't know about the swedishness of it, but i am swedish :)21:56
CoderCandySweet, same here!21:56
CoderCandy(Actually, I checked your timezone first :P)21:56
b0bbenpsm21:56
b0bbenåsm21:56
msknightOrdinary Swedish Meal Time?21:56
nanderIf I ride a rollercoaster with a restraint on my lap, I might hurt myself if I keep my phone in my pocket ;)21:56
zoraelWhat is lipstick?21:56
b0bbenCoderCandy: care to take my app Bensinjakt for a test spin then? ;)21:56
b0bbenit works in other countries too btw21:56
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CoderCandyUhm, if it's what I think it is... I probably won't have that much use for it xD21:57
CoderCandyI don't have a car you see :P21:57
b0bbenhaha, kewl21:57
msknightWhat is Bensinjakt ?21:58
nanderJolla is able to do so, its liablility under those provisions will be limited, as its option to, in case of goods:21:58
nanderthe replacement of the goods or the supply of equivalent goods21:58
nanderthe repair of the goods21:58
nanderthe payment of the cost of replacing the goods or acquiring equivalent goods, or the payment of the cost of having the goods repaired21:58
nanderin case of services: the supplying of the services again or the payment of the cost of having the services supplied again21:58
nanderI find option 3 (second part) vague21:58
CoderCandymsknight, it roughly translates to Gas-hunt21:58
CoderCandyAnd it's probably a way to keep track of gas-prices21:58
msknightAh.21:59
nanderIf my phone mic is broken, does that mean I get a few euros to buy a new one on dualextreme instead of a repair?21:59
b0bbenmsknight: you find gas stations near you21:59
b0bbenno prices21:59
b0bbenwhich country are you in?21:59
b0bbeni have data for germany, finland, sweden, norway, spain, argentina21:59
b0bbencroatia too21:59
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msknightUK - I am an ex-truck driver, so I know where most of the fuel stations are on the routes that I drive.21:59
b0bbenmsknight: ah ok22:00
msknightAnd most of the ones between Folkestone and Muenchen22:00
nanderJolla employees : someone actually read your limited warranty document ;)22:00
Stskeepsis there a 1000 USD prize in it?22:01
msknightAt least it was readable, unlike the Fex-Ex document.22:01
nanderunfortunately there isn't22:01
nanderNo 'free cake for anyone reading this line'  within the document..22:01
M4rtinKMaybe a bit of lorem ipsum ? :D22:01
nanderI sometimes put that in really long reports ;)22:01
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nanderOn page 7 of 12 or so :D22:01
nanderI got one reply once22:02
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nanderAnd of course I gave him a cake ;)22:02
msknightLOL! Cool.22:02
Pnuu"[editor: add my comment here!"]22:02
Triztsad that they don't seem to be support for more wpa, so will not be able to use it at work22:02
msknightYou must continue to hope that the document didn't go viral.22:02
nanderYou have to write your own text file22:02
nanderA .config file22:02
msknightOr else write in a limitation to cake provision ... first 5 people to notice.22:03
nanderhttps://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/22:03
nanderIt isn't intended to be public22:03
nanderAnd there are only ~20 people with access to that document22:03
nanderSo the possible damage is low ;)22:04
nanderI didn't state 'a cake', I stated 'cake'22:04
nanderSo if they all claim the prize I just buy a few cakes and give them all a slice22:04
msknightYou a lawyer?22:04
nanderBut.. The chance of that happening is around nil22:04
nanderNope22:04
nanderWorse, an informatics student :D22:04
msknight:-D22:04
Milo-I made two searches in one minute at github and it says that's too fast.22:05
nanderyou're a bot22:05
nanderComeon, admit it, you're a bot ;)22:06
Milo-well obviously. But as a bot, I should be allowed to search at least twice per minute.22:06
nandercan't argue with that ;)22:06
Milo-oh. I can increase the rating by logging in.22:06
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msknightnight all22:11
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AL13N_lizzyhmm, there's quite some together posts about update failing and restore failing22:14
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PnuuAL13N_lizzy: sure thing22:14
Pnuunow, -> latest QI22:15
TriztI got notification from badu.com one telling my breast would be big and firm within 7 days. Should be a spam filter in the notification area, so spam wouldn't appear there22:15
nanderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AahPPFdneA << fun album ;)22:16
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ShadowJKhm, what regulates/causes UI lag on low battery..22:23
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ShadowJKcpufreq looks unchanged.. and throttling it down wouldnt cause multisecond ui hangs, id hope22:24
nanderpowersaving on storage access?22:24
AL13N_lizzyhmm... what is this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/?answer=4175#post-id-417522:24
ShadowJKnander: hm?22:24
AL13N_lizzythe new update locks the bootloader???22:25
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AL13N_lizzyi thought this was supposed to be an open device?22:25
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: Aard: plz explain?22:25
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: long story short the philosophy is that we are into user privacy. that includes privacy against attacks. the bootloader was in standard configuration such that you could immediately access the device's data, despite a lock code.22:25
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: is it still possible to boot a different kernel?22:26
AL13N_lizzyfor rescue purposes?22:26
nandercan you put a setting somewhere so you can disable it?22:26
AL13N_lizzyto somehow add a code?22:26
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: my personal proposal is that recovery menu will allow you to write a code to a secure area that you then can do flashing and other things with22:26
AL13N_lizzyplus, if there's user privacy, then there should be encrypted partitions really22:26
Stskeepsie, accepting that your device can be accessed physically with that extra code22:27
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: did you put this idea on together by any chance?22:27
AL13N_lizzyi'd vote that up22:27
Stskeepsno, but that's how i'd be pushing it22:28
nanderput it on together22:28
Stskeepsi fwiw asked people to use dd on the device, not fastboot, when i explained things22:28
nanderStskeeps, put your vision on together and ask people their opinions22:28
nanderSome people love to tinker with their device on a lower level22:28
Stskeepsdeveloper mode + fingerterm / ssh implies you've unlocked your device22:28
AL13N_lizzyi can do it for you, if you don't like it, but i kinda need to be sure i don't do it wrong22:28
nanderI personally like it when I can tinker all I want, but can't brick it22:28
nanderSo I'd stay away from the kernel22:29
nanderAnd the basic os's features22:29
nanderBut some people just love to do tht22:29
nanderthat*22:29
nanderAnd to them you took away their device22:29
AL13N_lizzysure, but booting a different kernel is like booting a livecd22:29
AL13N_lizzyit's not destructive as such22:29
Stskeepspersonally i'd just like that if i leave my phone in a bar, that people cannot easily access it's data.22:29
nanderall the possibilities and dangers22:29
Stskeepsdespite that it may look like a locked bootloader22:29
Venemoit's != its22:29
nanderI put a password on my boot order on my laptop, with a GOOD reason22:30
Stskeepsespecially since it's -my- rights we're protecting, not some content company22:30
nanderWell, my linux home partition is encrypted, but still22:30
nanderI think putting up a hurdle ain't bad22:30
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: i agree with you, but i'd still like some kind of way to keep it open22:30
Stskeepssure22:30
nanderBut you should provide an option to open it up again - without losing warranty22:30
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nanderAlso, I'd prefer to have a few different levels of developer mode22:31
Stskeepsso what was done was locking down a security hole; next step is to remedy the problem that fix caused22:31
AL13N_lizzynander: i'd be fine if it lost warranty22:31
nanderRight no I need to go all the way in order to just put another wifi config ..22:31
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nanderThat's a bit insane22:31
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AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: still, before this explodes in the media, it would be nice if people had suggestions on how to fix it in together22:31
RaYmAntbh, adb on android has moved towards something more secure - encryption and having to approve each public key for the computer in question. Something like that could be done for e.g.  a custom fastboot-like thing22:31
AL13N_lizzyat the very least the votes would show what people want22:32
StskeepsRaYmAn: indeed22:32
nanderDoes mitakuuluu stay logged in when I close the application?22:32
nanderOr do I need to keep it running?22:32
HarhaanJohtajathere is by the way one developer who got mad about that and takes his program out of the store22:33
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AL13N_lizzythis is why you need to say something fast22:33
AL13N_lizzybefore this explodes22:33
HarhaanJohtajanander: i think it depends how you close it22:34
EztranMaybe this change should have been made obvious in the changelog?22:34
Stskeepsso, the traditional way that vendors lock down bootloaders is to only give you a code from a website that unlocks your device22:34
ShadowJKneed two "recovery" partitions, "proper" recovery, and "test new kernel" partition :)22:34
Stskeepsthis way around it's you giving you the key to unlock your device22:34
Stskeeps:P22:34
RaYmAnStskeeps: except google devices where you just do fastboot unlock22:34
Stskeepsnod22:34
AL13N_lizzyyes, that is better22:34
RaYmAn(unlocking wipes data though)22:34
AL13N_lizzycan anyone put this on together, i'm not sure enough to do it22:35
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AL13N_lizzyi'll vote it up though22:36
HarhaanJohtajanander: If you closing application window it still connected to whatsapp and receiving messages. You need to choose pull down menu item "Quit" to close application and quit daemon.22:36
nanderharhaanjohtaja - by swiping it shut?22:36
nanderah ;)22:36
Stskeepsbut needless to say, this isn't an intention to lock down, it's to help protect user data. it's a bit of a massive bug that it kills openness though22:36
nanderNice22:36
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Stskeepsso, first fix the bug, then fix openness22:36
HarhaanJohtajaor at least tit says that where you can donwload it22:36
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nanderanyone found a good android camera?22:37
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Chaz6nander: sony qx1022:38
nanderI meant an app22:38
nanderapk file22:38
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nanderit seems the camera app has improved a lot in low-light?22:41
nander(the normal jolla camera application)22:41
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petantikis anyone else getting multiple system update notifications?22:42
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petantiki've just got my third one tonight.22:44
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micko_anyone know if there will be an owncloud client?22:47
micko_petantik: have you upgraded successfully? have you checked the version from settings?22:48
nanderput it on together, if there are loads of requests, there probably will be22:48
Pnuumicko_: I think yeah, just a sec22:48
petantikmicko_: I did.22:48
Pnuumicko_: https://together.jolla.com/question/880/owncloud-integration/22:49
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micko_Pnuu: I knew I should have checked together... for some reason I didn't22:50
HarhaanJohtajamicko_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9100322:50
HarhaanJohtajabut i dont know how good it is22:50
HarhaanJohtajajust notes i assume22:50
Pnuumicko_: no worries, I try to act as a together2irc bridge :-)22:51
micko_looks like it. but it's nice to know there are other people who want owncloud as well22:51
PnuuI'm one of them22:51
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: well, if you want to, it's fair to start a together.* thread asking "Why exactly is the boot loader locked on 1.0.2.5?"22:52
micko_there should be a bot here that checks everything from together22:52
micko_for now, Pnuu will suffice22:52
Pnuuo722:53
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: should be a nice sober discussion22:53
M4rtinKso it has come to this22:55
Stskeepsgood evening M4rtinK22:56
M4rtinKStskeeps: evening :)22:56
M4rtinKdidn't expect that to escalate this quickly :)22:56
Stskeepsand it's a bug that you can't excersise openness things on 1.0.2.5, one to be fixed in future update22:56
Stskeepsjust as it was a bug that you could access a locked device's data with relative ease22:57
M4rtinKon the other hand, it really should have been mentioned in the release notes22:57
Stskeepsyes, it slipped22:57
Stskeepsnot intentional, i should have added it22:57
M4rtinKwell, even iOS7 has this feature IIRC22:57
petantikMy wifi keeps disconnecting, then doesn't reconnect. :(22:57
Venemoso, if you want to mess with your kernel, stay with the older version and wait for the next update. if you already updated, you can always factory reset back22:58
nanderjust about every logo these days is either landscape 16:9 or 1:1 (album covers) :(22:58
VenemoI don't get all this whining, seriously22:58
M4rtinKand still unless the data is really encrypted, it is not secure to begin with22:59
Stskeepssure22:59
Stskeepsit's all about ease22:59
M4rtinKat least for laptop, I guess most companies have full disk encryption as a requirement nowadays23:00
M4rtinK*laptops23:00
Stskeepsi don't think a sane and protected encrypted emmc setup could work with a open bootloader, just as a general opinion23:00
Stskeepsie, one that couldn't be cheated by a malicious charger, as an example23:01
M4rtinKmight be an issue on mobile devices - but encrypting the for example should be IMHO perfectly doable23:01
kontioas Jonni said with the windows and the lock on the door... not any script kiddy should be able to just do it...23:01
nanderwhats the minimum height for an ambiance?23:01
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M4rtinKwell, what about touchscreen only input for the password ?23:02
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Milo-It seems that there are some phones with lock code enabled by default23:02
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M4rtinKwell, unless the charger reflashes the device under it :)23:02
kontionander: 540 x 1600 is recommend... for an ambiance pic23:02
StskeepsM4rtinK: entirely plausible to do something bad23:02
Stskeeps:P23:02
M4rtinKyeah, getting to the "draw the line somewhere" territory23:03
Stskeepsif i can trust that my device will boot into something i've told it to trust, i'm happy23:03
M4rtinKof course, we might add the pin entry to a bootloader burned to ROM and make the device explode on third failed try23:04
M4rtinKyay,  UEFI & secureboot23:04
ShadowJKis there a "make together usable in sailfish browser"-together? :P23:04
Milo-NO!23:04
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StskeepsM4rtinK: uefi is a fantastic idea, we should implement that23:04
Stskeeps:P23:04
M4rtinKyou can have animated graphs in BIOS menu or play Zork !23:04
micko_there should be a together app23:05
nanderany way to change the color for the ambiance?23:05
Milo-Stskeeps I hope that was sarcasm O_O23:05
nanderIt's ridiculous how some black-white images get pink as color23:05
StskeepsMilo-: i'm being sarcastic, don't worry23:05
nanderhttp://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Features/ec/54/8d/dj.qdoigpun.jpg23:05
nanderHow is this pink?23:05
StskeepsMilo-: 'lock code enabled by default'?23:05
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M4rtinKbut it might brick you laptop if you write to much data to the wrong UEFI variable :)23:05
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M4rtinKwell, if someone wants to set use the lock code, so be it23:06
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M4rtinKbut the enforced lock code on BB10 devices if developer mode is enabled is royal pain in the ass23:06
PnuuStskeeps: yes, there's a "together & browser" -together23:06
Milo-Stskeeps i.g. https://together.jolla.com/question/4108/how-to-reset-device-lock-code/23:06
PnuuStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/2464/native-browser-zooms-out-when-focusing-on-a-text-box/23:07
M4rtinKnot to mention those retarded debug tokens, which you might not even get anymore if BB goes belly up :)23:07
Stskeepsanyway, i suggest that we simply just get it implemented that you can set a code of your own for flashing purposes23:07
Pnuubah, wrong one23:07
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: to be fair, after reading the TMO thread, i can see it... the problem is that locking the boot is actually something you do after implementing all the other security...23:07
Stskeepswhen that's enabled, bootloader's all yours, and your own responsibility23:07
ShadowJKPnuu: link?23:07
M4rtinKStskeeps: sounds good23:07
AL13N_lizzyif i was calling the shots in Jolla, it would have held this part of update until alot of other security measures are taken23:08
Pnuuthis is one of them: https://together.jolla.com/question/3759/dont-show-keyboard-when-webpage-focuses-text-box/23:08
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: that may be true, but you can't fix all the gaps at once23:08
M4rtinKyeah, you don't want to loose developers23:08
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/526/dont-enforce-focus-to-textfield/23:08
Pnuuaaand: https://together.jolla.com/question/2615/remove-on-screen-keyboard-pop-up-on-opening-web-pages/23:09
ShadowJKPnuu: nothing about broken search, and missing "sort by"?23:09
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: yes, but now you create a marketing problem, which would not have existed if the rest was secured, or if the solution was there23:09
M4rtinKI think some official answer might calm the waters a bit...23:09
PnuuShadowJK: hmm, no, not those23:10
AL13N_lizzyin the TMO thread a sort of official answer was there, but it seemed the ship had sailed for those23:10
AL13N_lizzyanyway23:10
prometoysit's sad how some people went crazy on TMO, just because one uncomfortable or even wrong step...23:11
AL13N_lizzyyes, that is true23:11
M4rtinKwell, one can understand it based on bad experience with other devices23:11
AL13N_lizzybut otoh, if this was discussed with community before deciding to put it in (silently) in an update... it doesn't look as good23:11
Stskeepsthe decisions have been made by people who -love- hacking their devices.23:11
M4rtinKlike the can't-downgrade on N923:12
AL13N_lizzysadly, community talks take way too long23:12
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: i would have put it on together.* if it had existed at the time.23:12
M4rtinKwell, updates might not convey intended intentions automatically :)23:12
AL13N_lizzy:-)23:12
Stskeepsif you want to see a locked bootloader, you'll see one23:13
Stskeepsnot the reasons why it's there23:13
JonniMilo-: there is no way that device lock would be enabled by default, as factory really does not set it up. Only way to setup the lock code is to set up manyally from UI. So either your box was not sealed, or someone has done prank on you.23:13
AL13N_lizzything is, i imagine it goes like this: Marketing: "We need security now! people need it, or we lose devs" Engineering: "we can only stop bootloader quickly, the other parts need more stuff" Marketing: "do it now! we can worry about the other stuff later"23:14
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: i can assure you that marketing was not involved23:14
Stskeeps:P23:14
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: ok then23:14
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AL13N_lizzyactually Stskeeps if you're solution was in that update, i bet none of this would've happened, noone would even speak of it here or on together23:15
prometoysStskeeps, do you even have marketing ;)23:15
AL13N_lizzya minor thread on TMO yes23:15
Milo-Jonni I've seen about five of suchs topics at Together.23:15
Milo-s/suchs/such/23:15
AL13N_lizzyoh well, we can only hope the unlocking ability happens sooner rather than later23:16
JonniMilo-: yes 99% of those cases are when end user has forgotten which code she/he has put on the device.23:16
AL13N_lizzygood point23:16
AL13N_lizzybut still warranty void at that point23:16
Stskeepsprometoys: we do23:16
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: yes, instead recovery got pushed in as that was most important23:17
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Milo-Jonni possibly yes.23:17
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: that, i understand23:17
Stskeepssome might speculate that we're only doing this to ensure neo900 gets enough funds23:17
prometoysStskeeps, i know, was just a joke. and if we look at the official websites etc they do a plenty good job.23:17
Stskeeps:P23:18
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: but, https://together.jolla.com/question/4159/backup-restore-not-working/23:18
JonniMilo-: and setup even asks the code twice to avoid typoes.23:18
prometoysbtw, where are the backups stored?23:18
Pnuutimeout, let's get some sleep, shalle we? :-)23:18
Stskeeps /home/nemo/.vault23:18
Milo-you weren't asked to set a lock code when setting up the device for the first time?23:18
AL13N_lizzyanyway, off to sleep, wife waiting in bed :-)23:19
Pnuu(I am, atleast, 'gnight!)23:19
JonniMilo-: nope, only if you go to settings->devicelock->pulldown setup23:19
Milo-that's what I thought.23:19
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nanderis there a way to prevent the keyboard from remembering every word I ever typed?23:20
M4rtinKis /home or /home/nemo on its own subvolume ?23:21
Stskeeps /home is23:21
M4rtinKand recovery reverts only the rootfs one I guess ?23:22
Stskeepsit reverts both, currently.23:22
Stskeepsanother thing to improve23:22
M4rtinKwell, that makes the "make backup" in update dialog kinda pointless :)23:23
ShadowJKnander; funny, I was wondering how to make it remember words I've typed23:23
AardM4rtinK: not if you take it to sd card or something similar23:23
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prometoysyou are using git for managing the backup? wow23:24
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ShadowJKon together logon page, why is top half of scrddn covered in a floating white band23:24
nanderIt remembers *everything* I typed (or perhaps just submitted) and gives it back as options23:25
pdanekhttp://www.cvedetails.com/product-list/firstchar-S/vendor_id-0/products.html Sailfish not there yet.23:25
nanderWell, it doesn't do the same thing with passwords, but it's pretty damn annoying..23:25
spider-marionander : this one gets purple: http://i.imgur.com/wXI8nIY.jpg23:26
Stskeepsok, anyway - good night guys, don't let the world catch fire during the night :P23:26
spider-marioI think it mixes the orange part and the blue part to get purple23:26
nanderit seems to be pink/reddish on pure black/white images23:27
ShadowJKoh wow, I can't get together. to work properly even in firefox and opera with "request desktop version" enabled23:27
nanderHey, I'm a guy, I don't want pink menus23:27
nanderWhy even bother asking me what my favorite color is if you forget it 10 seconds later?23:27
spider-mariomaybe the jpeg noise in the white parts is pinkish?23:27
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nanderit's the case with lots of b/w images23:28
nanderTwo of them were different (yellow)23:28
nanderBut never blue23:28
nandernever green23:28
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AardAL13N_work: about the boot loader bit -- long story short, we're enabling more 'hacking without risk' (the recovery bit is part of that), and would prefer to keep your data only accessible by you. we can either wait until all is ready (thus blocking some hacking, or having you risk your device), or temporarily lock the device down a bit more than it used to, until we have everything in place so that _you_ can unlock your device, but not the ...23:29
Aard... random bad guy23:29
M4rtinKAard: well, unless the backup automatically does this or at lest tells the user, it is useless :)23:29
M4rtinK*least23:29
M4rtinKAard: BTW, sounds like a nice feature suggestion, should I open a "support for backing up to SD card" question to track this ?23:30
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M4rtinKStskeeps: good night! (and less Fallout 3) :)23:31
nanderthat's a nice source for ambient ;)23:31
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AardM4rtinK: you can, but we're already working on it :)23:32
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M4rtinKAard: ok then, have enough karma already :D23:36
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Milo-Should the auto-brightness setting work?23:52
Milo-I don't see any brightness difference on the screen between well luminated room and dark room.23:53
Turskiworks for me23:53
Milo-the screen luminates a dark room like 25W bulb23:53
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Milo-as far as I can work out, it just follows the scrollable "brightness" setting and doesn't automatically adjust it at all.23:56
Milo-maybe I just don't understand how that setting works.23:56
Turskibrightness setting sets the relative level for brightness23:57
Milo-where is the light sensor located at?23:57
Milo-is it combined with the camera?23:57
Milo-nvm, found it. it's not visible to my naked eye.23:58
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