nander | I use the album cover of the album Darker Days, by Stream of Passion at the moment | 00:00 |
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chem|st | ggabriel: yes | 00:00 |
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chem|st | it is bound to the tutorial? | 00:00 |
ggabriel | chem|st: that's why | 00:00 |
chem|st | why are so many things coupled with BS? | 00:00 |
ggabriel | Stskeeps explained that when you uninstall the tutorial, tracker goes away too and goodbye everything | 00:00 |
ggabriel | i still have them | 00:01 |
ggabriel | but kept the tutorial | 00:01 |
chem|st | android support is coupled with yandex... | 00:01 |
ggabriel | you're asking the wrong person :) | 00:01 |
chem|st | what is the tutorial called in repos? | 00:01 |
ggabriel | obviously tutorial related to ambience is a bug | 00:01 |
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ggabriel | chem|st: i've no idea... the best workaround apparently is to reset to factory settings | 00:01 |
ggabriel | not sure whether somebody else has a better solution | 00:02 |
pcfe | WTF made the dependencies for that package | 00:02 |
pcfe | *sigh* | 00:02 |
chem|st | pcfe: o/ | 00:02 |
ggabriel | it's a bug (spoken like admiral ackhbar) | 00:02 |
ggabriel | btw, anybody bumped into this? | 00:02 |
ggabriel | # ssu ar mer-tools | 00:02 |
ggabriel | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 00:02 |
nander | Any Dr Who fans here? | 00:02 |
ggabriel | " | 00:02 |
pcfe | psssst, do NOT spoil it, have not seen it yet | 00:03 |
Kabouik | Ok so indeed, I have write privileges in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard (though Filezilla returns errors when it has to create new files, but finally succeeds). Still some questions though: if I do "Pictures", "Music" and "Videos" folders in here, will Sailfish native apps pick files in the sdcard too? Should I do simlinks (and if so, how?)? | 00:03 |
petantik | ooooo ... i forgot all about it! | 00:03 |
nander | Spoilers, Darth Vader appears in it ;) | 00:05 |
pcfe | nander: lol | 00:05 |
nander | A certain site with a logo almost, but not entirely unlike the kind of vehicle jolla's name is based on has it available ;) | 00:06 |
FireFly | :P | 00:06 |
pcfe | hmm, rpm -q --requires jolla-preload-ambiences comes up as expected, so it's not the deps. What's the name of the tutorial? (it's not an rpm with tutorial in it's name) | 00:06 |
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FireFly | Oh, I noticed the uninstalling-yandex-takes-dalvik-with-it thing had another downside.. it seemed to reset android apps' settings too | 00:08 |
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FireFly | I should report that on together.. | 00:08 |
chem|st | ggabriel: is it jolla-startupwizard? as it is not installed anymore | 00:10 |
ggabriel | chem|st: i have no clue... i'm telling you what i read here a couple of days ago | 00:10 |
pcfe | jolla-startupwizard-0.0.66-10.12.1.jolla.armv7hl it is | 00:10 |
pcfe | chem|st: ^ | 00:11 |
Turski | ggabriel: reset to factory settings is not solution for anything! | 00:11 |
ggabriel | Turski: don't shoot the messenger ;-) | 00:12 |
ggabriel | it's a bug tho, so they'll fix it | 00:12 |
Turski | ggabriel: the device has to be overly fscked up if you need reset... | 00:12 |
AL13N_lizzy | ugh that together search is not that great... even i made a possible duplicate :-S | 00:12 |
Turski | and if you need factory reset, the device is so fscked up that you can't do a factory reset | 00:12 |
chem|st | pcfe: yeah found it... depends on tracker-utils... that might be the reason why some stuff gets lost... | 00:12 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: agree, you can't put spaces (or is that just me?) | 00:12 |
FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: it's not terribly good indeed | 00:12 |
Turski | if the device is alive, it's fixable | 00:13 |
pcfe | chem|st: yeah, with a broken tracker it's bound to act weird | 00:13 |
FireFly | it also doesn't seem to do substring matching, only complete words | 00:13 |
ggabriel | Turski: yeah, you need to reconfigure tracker tho | 00:13 |
AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: i noted spaces, but that's because you press ENTER instead of click the button :-S | 00:13 |
FireFly | like, "andro" gives no hits, but "android" gives two | 00:13 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: THANKS | 00:13 |
AL13N_lizzy | i also noted that a wiki post, isn't really a wiki post at all | 00:13 |
Turski | ah, native whatsapp <3 | 00:14 |
AL13N_lizzy | better to remove it, i don't think in this form it serves any purpose | 00:14 |
AL13N_lizzy | if it made a real wiki-like post (no comments, no answers) then it would be usable | 00:15 |
Kabouik | Is there an easy way to know space available on sd from the Jolla? "About the product" in settings is only for the internal memory | 00:15 |
SpeedEvil | df | 00:17 |
* SpeedEvil needs to get a SD. | 00:17 | |
Kabouik | Thanks | 00:17 |
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FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: "community wiki" mirrors how it works on StackOverflow, and it's more about having an answer be freely editable by anyone rather than "owned" by one user | 00:17 |
Kabouik | No disk space GUI yet so | 00:17 |
FireFly | There's plenty of things I'd change before that one, on Together.. :p | 00:18 |
Kabouik | Unfortunately df does not seem to give info on my SD card, I see no /run/user/blahblah nor /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 00:18 |
FireFly | Kabouik: works for me | 00:19 |
FireFly | you might want df -h (for human-readable sizes) | 00:19 |
Kabouik | What does it show exactly for the sd? | 00:19 |
FireFly | /dev/mmcblk1p1 487M 487M 0 100% /run/user/1000000/media/sdcard | 00:20 |
FireFly | approx. | 00:20 |
Kabouik | Hum, weir | 00:20 |
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Kabouik | d | 00:20 |
FireFly | Is the SD card mounted/can you interact with it from other apps? what filesystem did you partition it with? | 00:20 |
Kabouik | I have no /dev/mmcblk1p1, but it seems to be there since I'm currently transfering files to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 00:20 |
FireFly | Hum, weird | 00:21 |
FireFly | df ought to show all mountpoints... | 00:21 |
Kabouik | I think it's mounted since I'm transfering (or it transfers to internal memory if I paste anything into /run/user/blahblah while the card is not mounted?), don't know yet if I can interact, it was empty till now, it's partitionned to ext4 | 00:21 |
FireFly | If you're unlucky, you're coping files to the *folder* rather than the SD card.. :P | 00:21 |
Kabouik | And so the folder would be internal memory without mounted sd? | 00:22 |
FireFly | does `mount` show mmcblk1p1? | 00:22 |
FireFly | Right | 00:22 |
Kabouik | Arg, mount is unreadable | 00:22 |
Kabouik | Give me time to see it clearly :P | 00:22 |
FireFly | oh, right | 00:23 |
ggabriel | Kabouik: do you have a /dev/mmcblk1? | 00:23 |
Kabouik | No /dev/mmcblk1p1 in mount | 00:23 |
FireFly | `findmnt` gets you a nicer tree | 00:23 |
Kabouik | I guess I just forgot to mount it after last reboot... Since ext4 does not mount automatically :/ | 00:23 |
parasemic | Why isn't there a link to the wazapp (mitakuuluu) alpha version anywhere in the chatlog????? | 00:23 |
FireFly | Yeah, probably | 00:23 |
Kabouik | Weridly, when I df -h again, internal memory of the phone still show the same thing... But I transfered a lot of files in the mean time | 00:24 |
Turski | Kabouik: edit your mount-sd.sh and it will mount automatically | 00:24 |
raa70 | parasemic: tinyurl.com/mitakuuluusf | 00:24 |
Kabouik | I should mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard, right? | 00:25 |
parasemic | raa70, i mean, i have installed it but i was wondering if you guys have missed the fact its released :p (im drunk) | 00:25 |
Kabouik | Where is it Turski? | 00:25 |
Turski | Kabouik: /usr/sbin IIRC | 00:25 |
Kabouik | First lines say | 00:26 |
Kabouik | #!/bin/bash | 00:26 |
Kabouik | SDCARD=/dev/sdcard | 00:26 |
Kabouik | Is that normal? Never saw that path, just /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /run/user/100000/etc. | 00:26 |
Turski | Kabouik: delete conficlting mount options | 00:27 |
Aard | Kabouik: it's a symlink to the proper device | 00:27 |
Turski | Kabouik: that script is called by systemd on boot and by udev on sd-card insert | 00:27 |
Kabouik | I have no idea how to edit that file. Or well, I do have, but I'm not expert enough and won't try some edits by myself if it may root the device :[ | 00:27 |
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Turski | Kabouik: ok, don't edit it then | 00:28 |
Kabouik | But if you have any advice... :O | 00:28 |
Turski | Kabouik: i don't want to give advice to do something you don't know what it is | 00:28 |
Kabouik | No worries Turski, i know where the line is | 00:28 |
Turski | Kabouik: read that http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount | 00:29 |
Kabouik | I prefer having advice and chosing whether I'm capable or not, rather than not knowing | 00:29 |
Turski | Kabouik: read that man page and you know what to do | 00:29 |
Kabouik | But I see no conflicts in mount-sd.sh | 00:30 |
Turski | isn't there uid= and gid=? | 00:30 |
Kabouik | Yes | 00:30 |
Turski | those are not mentioned under ext4 mount options and that's why the mount fail | 00:30 |
HtheB | ugh | 00:30 |
Turski | Kabouik: got it? | 00:31 |
Kabouik | Not really, I see absolutely no mention of "ext4" in the file, so I don't know where I should edit it | 00:31 |
Kabouik | (Or any other filesystem) | 00:31 |
Turski | Kabouik: ok, don't edit it then | 00:31 |
Kabouik | Haha | 00:32 |
chem|st | pcfe: all there ty | 00:32 |
Kabouik | I like how you just assessed my level Turski :P | 00:32 |
Turski | :) | 00:32 |
Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/METtTaUZ Here's what I have | 00:34 |
Turski | i've been using linux as my main OS for 8 or 9 years so it just looks quite obvious to me ;) | 00:34 |
Turski | but that's not a thing that needs much experience about linux | 00:35 |
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Turski | you should first check journal after inserting the card | 00:36 |
Kabouik | Now for christmas, I'd like to see that in IRC: "<Turski> http://pastebin.com/xxxxxxx Here's what you should have Kabouik." :D | 00:36 |
Kabouik | :> | 00:36 |
Turski | Kabouik: i don't want to say that before i've found the best mount options myself, i just don't yet have a sdcard | 00:36 |
Kabouik | :'< | 00:37 |
Turski | Kabouik: but ok, just remove everything from -o to the end of the line | 00:37 |
Turski | line 18: mount $SDCARD $MNT | 00:37 |
Turski | that at least mounts it | 00:37 |
Turski | but it will fail with FAT cards' permissions | 00:38 |
Kabouik | So it will automatically mount to /run/user/something then? And there's a symlink in /dev/sdcard too, right, so I can past files in there too? | 00:38 |
merlin1991 | I need someone who already made a call with his / her jolla, I'm working on a call history import, but I can't tell from the ui if it's correct | 00:38 |
Turski | and you might not be able to create directories on top level of sdcard as user | 00:38 |
Kabouik | I'm gonna do a mount-sd.sh.backforFATcards | 00:38 |
Kabouik | paste* | 00:38 |
merlin1991 | the question is how a number is displayed when you make a call, does it have an arrow or not? | 00:38 |
Turski | Kabouik: /dev/sdcard is symlink to /dev/mmcblk1p0 | 00:39 |
Turski | Kabouik: you could also add logic for detecting filetype to that script, but it's another story | 00:39 |
Turski | that could be done with blkid | 00:39 |
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Kabouik | So if I edit line 18, then I may not be able to create Music/Videos/Pictures folders. Will the Sailfish apps find the files they are supposed to handle? | 00:40 |
Turski | Kabouik: i have no idea how sailfish apps handle the card | 00:41 |
Turski | Kabouik: i will get my card in two weeks | 00:41 |
Turski | Kabouik: btw, how have you been mounting the sdcard now? | 00:41 |
Turski | (or have you?) | 00:42 |
Kabouik | mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 00:42 |
Kabouik | But I've not rebooted in a while, to be honest I was told the command here and just used the history in Fingerterm to do it again | 00:42 |
Turski | why the hell there is -o ? | 00:43 |
Turski | let me guess, you have no idea? | 00:43 |
Kabouik | Perhaps it was /mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /home/nemo/sdcard? Don't remember actually | 00:43 |
Turski | no it wasn't | 00:43 |
Kabouik | You're right. | 00:43 |
Turski | -o just does nothing there | 00:43 |
Turski | ;) | 00:44 |
HtheB | Can anybody help me with something? | 00:44 |
SpeedEvil | HtheB: probably not. | 00:44 |
Kabouik | But I was told the command by someone here that seemed to know what he was saying, and I am careful and don't run dangerous stuff | 00:44 |
SpeedEvil | But ask anyway. | 00:44 |
Turski | but if that mount works fine, then you will have no problem with removing -o * from line 18 | 00:44 |
Kabouik | But I really want to take advantage of those 64 GB, so I had to ask here | 00:44 |
Turski | Kabouik: so i'm 69.4% sure it will work fine if you just edit the line 18 as told | 00:45 |
Kabouik | So I remove "-o [...]" till end of the line right? "-o" included? | 00:45 |
HtheB | any idea how we can make symlinks work? | 00:45 |
Turski | Kabouik: yes | 00:45 |
Turski | Kabouik: -o doesn't do anything if you don't give any mount options | 00:45 |
Kabouik | Anyway I have the .back file, and the pastebin if something goes wrong. The file should just be for the sdcard so not too riskyI guess | 00:46 |
Kabouik | See? I try to be cautious at least :P | 00:46 |
Turski | Kabouik: that's good | 00:46 |
Turski | Kabouik: go ahead | 00:46 |
Kabouik | Let's try to reboot the device and see what happens npw | 00:47 |
Kabouik | now | 00:47 |
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Kabouik | Not rebooted yet, but I just did another df -h | 00:48 |
AL13N_lizzy | btw: isn't sdcard mounted already someplace? | 00:48 |
Kabouik | My Filezilla transfer is over. It transfered over 40 GB of files (so it can only be on the SD card). The files are actually there, but df -h still show nothing that could be the sd card | 00:48 |
AL13N_lizzy | wouldn't it be easier to bind mount it to the locations where alien-dalvik has access to? | 00:48 |
Turski | Kabouik: paste full output of df -h | 00:49 |
AL13N_lizzy | mount --bind /sdcard /home/nemo/sdcard ? | 00:49 |
AL13N_lizzy | or something | 00:49 |
Kabouik | [root@localhost sbin]# df -h | 00:49 |
Kabouik | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 00:49 |
Kabouik | rootfs 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% / | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% / | 00:49 |
Kabouik | devtmpfs 406M 64K 406M 1% /dev | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 88K 407M 1% /dev/shm | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 407M 4.0K 100% /run | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 16K 407M 1% /tmp | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p19 8.0M 4.1M 3.9M 52% /drm | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p25 8.0M 4.2M 3.8M 54% /persist | 00:49 |
AL13N_lizzy | Kabouik: pastebin plz | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p18 64M 45M 20M 70% /firmware | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p9 48M 7.0M 41M 15% /var/systemlog | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /swap | 00:49 |
Turski | kelvan: pastebin... | 00:49 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /home | 00:49 |
Turski | Kabouik: ^ | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /mnt/asec | 00:49 |
Kabouik | tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /mnt/obb | 00:49 |
HtheB | too late :) | 00:49 |
Kabouik | Yes sorry, I underestimated the size of the pasted text | 00:49 |
Kabouik | Too late now, sorry | 00:49 |
FireFly | (You could've /part'ed to save us from some of it :p) | 00:50 |
Kabouik | I just underestimated it, sorry, I didn't want to bother people :"< | 00:50 |
AL13N_lizzy | Kabouik: you know, more than 3 lines is pushing it... | 00:50 |
FireFly | Anyway, wouldn't it've been faster to just copy directly to SD card via an SD card reader? | 00:50 |
Kabouik | Now I feel guilty and might end up hanging myself with my Jolla USB cable. | 00:50 |
AL13N_lizzy | Kabouik: is it long enough? | 00:51 |
Kabouik | The Jolla is my only card reader FireFly | 00:51 |
FireFly | Oh | 00:51 |
FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: is it longer than three lies? | 00:51 |
FireFly | lines* | 00:51 |
AL13N_lizzy | btw, i'd be interested in how good the card reader is | 00:51 |
HtheB | Kabouik: no digital camera/n900/old phone/old sdcard reader | 00:51 |
HtheB | ? | 00:51 |
Kabouik | If I tie it tight enough, it should be long enough AL13N_lizzy | 00:51 |
Turski | Kabouik: that's weird | 00:51 |
AL13N_lizzy | lol | 00:51 |
merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: you got your jolla right? | 00:52 |
SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 00:52 |
AL13N_lizzy | :-( | 00:52 |
Kabouik | No digital SD-card camera, a N900 (but not here), a N9, and a sd card reader than never detected the µSD | 00:52 |
merlin1991 | then please check for me how an outbound call looks like in the call history :) | 00:52 |
Kabouik | And no Linux distribution available at the moment | 00:52 |
* AL13N_lizzy has no jolla yet | 00:52 | |
Kabouik | It sure seems to be Turski | 00:53 |
HtheB | Does anyone else tried out DOSBOX on Jolla? | 00:53 |
chem|st | merlin1991: thought you have your jolla? | 00:53 |
AL13N_lizzy | "And no Linux distribution available at the moment" <--- FATAL error :-) | 00:53 |
HtheB | I couldn't mount an image :( | 00:53 |
HtheB | keeps saying that it cant find it | 00:53 |
merlin1991 | chem|st: yeah but no sim inside, so I don't know if my history import code works correct | 00:53 |
SpeedEvil | merlin1991: No SIM ATM | 00:53 |
chem|st | merlin1991: what do you need? | 00:53 |
Turski | Kabouik: how about /etc/mtab? | 00:53 |
merlin1991 | chem|st: how does an outbound call look like in the dialer history, arrow or now arrow? | 00:53 |
merlin1991 | s/now/no/ | 00:54 |
AL13N_lizzy | i will be cutting my SIM when i get jolla (SIM without data, so interesting to see how it will cope) | 00:54 |
chem|st | merlin1991: where is the call history? | 00:54 |
Turski | Kabouik: or df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 ? | 00:54 |
merlin1991 | chem|st: when you open the phone app it should be right there | 00:55 |
Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/rBDnhrtm /etc/mtab here Turski | 00:55 |
Kabouik | And df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 returns the following: | 00:55 |
chem|st | ah that arrow you mean | 00:55 |
Kabouik | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 00:56 |
Kabouik | devtmpfs 406M 64K 406M 1% /dev | 00:56 |
Turski | Kabouik: ls -l /dev/mmcblk1p1 ? | 00:56 |
chem|st | incoming has an arrow outgoing has no arrow, missed has a return-arrow | 00:56 |
merlin1991 | ah okay, then my code works | 00:56 |
Kabouik | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 33 Dec 25 01:00 /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 00:57 |
merlin1991 | but the call mergin heuristics are not as good as on the n9 | 00:57 |
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Turski | Kabouik: you just don't seem to have it mounted... O_o | 00:57 |
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Kabouik | fdisk -l does find the SD card, and says that it's 63.4 GB. | 00:58 |
Turski | i'm just wonderin where you copied your failes | 00:58 |
Turski | /dev/null? :D | 00:58 |
Kabouik | But when I use Sailfish's filemanager directly on the Jolla, browse to /run/user/stuff, I can see the 40 GB music files I've just transfered through sftp | 00:58 |
Kabouik | Really weird | 00:58 |
Kabouik | And 40 GB could not have been pasted to internal memory | 00:59 |
Turski | /dev/null has plenty of space... :P | 00:59 |
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Kabouik | So let's retry after a reboot, it'll tell me if the sd automounts now | 01:00 |
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Kabouik | Will be useful already to know that :p | 01:00 |
chem|st | Kabouik: if it is vfat it does... | 01:00 |
Kabouik | It isn't | 01:00 |
Kabouik | I had to change the filesystem using the Jolla (no other card reader here), and there is no mkfs vfat in there, so I used mkfs ext3 | 01:01 |
chem|st | Kabouik: what fs are you trying? | 01:01 |
Kabouik | ext4* sorry | 01:01 |
Turski | chem|st: mount-sd.sh is modified, so it should mount automatically | 01:01 |
chem|st | Kabouik: that will not mount... ext4 is unknown to the system at the time the script is triggered afair | 01:02 |
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chem|st | or are we beyond that problem yet? | 01:02 |
M4rtinK | chem|st: nope | 01:02 |
M4rtinK | chem|st: yeah, IIRC -o is just an invalid option for EXT, btrfs & co | 01:03 |
M4rtinK | nope = ext4 is known | 01:03 |
Turski | chem|st: ext4 is perfectly known to the system | 01:03 |
chem|st | that simple? didn't bother to have a look after it yet | 01:03 |
M4rtinK | I'll dump the mount script I'm using with my EXT4 card | 01:03 |
Turski | M4rtinK: just remove -o ... from mount-sd.sh? | 01:04 |
Kabouik | Turski | 01:04 |
Turski | Kabouik | 01:04 |
Kabouik | Turski | 01:04 |
Kabouik | ! | 01:04 |
Turski | ! | 01:04 |
Kabouik | Great news: df -h now shows /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 01:04 |
Turski | (i think it works) | 01:04 |
Kabouik | And the size reported seems normal :P | 01:04 |
Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 1022M 55G 2% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 01:04 |
Turski | and it mount s automatically? | 01:04 |
M4rtinK | chem|st: http://fpaste.org/64306/ | 01:05 |
M4rtinK | that one should be already in a pull request to Nemo somewhere | 01:05 |
M4rtinK | according to one of the Jolla guys | 01:05 |
Kabouik | However Turski, as you reckoned it, I can't create folders in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard through sftp | 01:06 |
Kabouik | Should I use the mount-sd.sh M4rtinK just shared? | 01:06 |
Turski | Kabouik: script that M4rtinK pasted looks good | 01:06 |
Turski | i would just have done it a bit differently | 01:07 |
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Turski | and i would have that chown in filesystem, not in mount script... | 01:07 |
M4rtinK | it should work both with vfat & EXT4, btrfs, etc. | 01:07 |
Turski | yes | 01:07 |
Kabouik | Hmm, nano has no paste option | 01:10 |
Kabouik | Only for text copied from nano | 01:10 |
Kabouik | Not from pastebin :o | 01:10 |
Kabouik | Oh ok, just right click. My bad. | 01:10 |
Turski | Kabouik: terminal is the application that does pasting | 01:10 |
Kabouik | Yes but with Putty ssh I had no menu bar and did not remember how to paste | 01:11 |
Kabouik | I remembered ctrl+shift+c for copying though, from my old Linux memories :p | 01:11 |
Kabouik | Let's reboot again and AFK 5 min | 01:12 |
Kabouik | No mention of the sdcard in df -h with M4rtinK's mount-sd/sh, weird | 01:16 |
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Kabouik | .sh* | 01:18 |
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M4rtinK | Kabouik: looks like this in df -h | 01:31 |
M4rtinK | /dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 22G 35G 39% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 01:31 |
Kabouik | Did not work for me. There was an empty line after the last "fi" in your file, I did not paste it in the mount-sd.sh I created from yours | 01:33 |
Kabouik | Is there any chance it could have some consequences? | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | Kabouik: also you can try to check the Journal for errors | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | journalctl -b | grep mount-sd.sh | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | or | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | journalctl -b | grep mmc | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | needs to be done as root as normal user IIRC does not see the relevant messages | 01:33 |
M4rtinK | Kabouik: not really sure | 01:33 |
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Kabouik | Humm now that's really weird. As it did not work with your file, I reverted to the default file with the edit advice from Turski... And I saw no card in df -h (it previously worked) and no /media folder in /run/user/100000. OK, so I created /media and /sdcard. Rebooted. Still no card in df -h with Turski's modified file (but it worked the first time) | 01:35 |
Kabouik | journalctl -b | grep mmc returns nothing M4rtinK, grep mount-sd.sh returns http://pastebin.com/jyhVSNvX | 01:37 |
Kabouik | (It's the mount-sd.sh from Turski here) | 01:37 |
Kabouik | Perhaps I should just chown something on the file? | 01:37 |
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Turski | Kabouik: ls -l /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh | 01:46 |
Kabouik | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1042 Dec 26 02:39 /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh | 01:46 |
Turski | Kabouik: chmod +x /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh | 01:46 |
Turski | Kabouik: you deleted and re-created the mount-sd.sh script? | 01:46 |
Kabouik | Yes, I was typing it when you just highlighted me | 01:46 |
Turski | Kabouik: you didn't make it executable ;) | 01:47 |
Kabouik | So I changed the script back to M4rtinK version, with chmod +x it should work as expected now | 01:47 |
Kabouik | Thanks a lot to both of you guys :) | 01:47 |
Turski | np | 01:48 |
Kabouik | df -h -> mmcblk1p1 is here | 01:48 |
Turski | :) | 01:48 |
Turski | sleep time now... good night | 01:49 |
Turski | ( it's soon 4:00 ) | 01:49 |
Kabouik | Good night, 2:50 here! | 01:50 |
Kabouik | Let's copy some 60-ish GB in that fracking card :P | 01:50 |
Kabouik | I've created a Music folder, we'll see if Media app likes it | 01:50 |
Kabouik | Transfer is still ongoing, but Media app definitely sees some files I'm transfering, so "Music" folder at SD root = working | 01:51 |
Turski | good to know | 01:53 |
Kabouik | I've not tried with files directly at SD root though, but it would be a mess anyway so I prefer it with Music folder | 01:54 |
Kabouik | The files play correctly | 01:54 |
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HtheB | :( | 02:03 |
HtheB | I hate my life | 02:05 |
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HtheB | couldn't get it to work :( stupid dosbox | 02:09 |
HtheB | good night all | 02:09 |
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M4rtinK | yeah, I can confirm music on the SD card works just fine :) | 02:23 |
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M4rtinK | just watch for tracker, might take some time to index it all | 02:23 |
Kabouik | Anyway given how messed up some of my music file tags are, the results in Media app is just crap | 02:24 |
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Kabouik | A lot of my music is properly tagged, but in 50 GB, only a small portion of badly tagged files is enough to make the Media app a total mess :< | 02:25 |
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Kabouik | Does anyone know if there is some mplayer work for Sailfish? Gstreamer just fails reading a lot of my video files | 02:27 |
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SpeedEvil | ./a.out | 04:04 |
SpeedEvil | Hello world[nemo@localhost ~]$ | 04:04 |
SpeedEvil | :) | 04:04 |
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fk_lx | I've just received "guru" badge on Together. Does it mean I'm finally allowed to start my own sect? | 09:14 |
Stskeeps | about damn time | 09:14 |
fk_lx | ;-) | 09:15 |
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fk_lx | hehe :-) | 09:18 |
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Jope | sssminky pinky | 09:22 |
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AL13N_lizzy | pettter: haha, but... we're all popes... | 09:42 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Discordian Pope that is | 09:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | is it me, or is the IRC channel more silent since the together thing? | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | might be | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | in practice it means that more focused conversations could happen here, for example | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | stemming from together.* | 09:45 |
Stskeeps | but | 09:45 |
Stskeeps | it's also xxmas | 09:45 |
Stskeeps | :P | 09:45 |
Stskeeps | er, xmas | 09:45 |
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HarhaanJohtaja | xxxmas | 09:46 |
Frye | Hmm, is this known. I had notification screen open and it did not close. Then I clicked the twitter icon from there and now I have twitter on top of everything and no way to get to home screen or close it. | 09:47 |
Stskeeps | Frye: do you have a lock code? | 09:48 |
Frye | Yes, I just opened it before this happened | 09:48 |
Frye | So doubletap-> enter lock code-> go to notification screen and there I am. | 09:49 |
Stskeeps | photo + together.* bug? | 09:49 |
Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: also it's christmas | 09:49 |
Frye | I'll try to get that. Got tons of visitors around | 09:49 |
Frye | I'm sure it'll happen again. This is second or third time I have it | 09:49 |
Frye | But there's really not much to photograph. Twitter feed which shows the clock & wlan & bt icons _very_ dim on background | 09:50 |
Frye | So I'm pretty sure those are not visible in the photo. | 09:50 |
Frye | Anyway back to kitchen... | 09:51 |
Nicd- | Frye: use a screenshot app? | 09:52 |
AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: wasn't that yesterday? | 09:55 |
AL13N_lizzy | bbiab | 09:55 |
Frye | Nicd-, Problem is the phone is stuck in twitter. | 09:56 |
Frye | but no time to debug now =( | 09:56 |
Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: it's boxing day today (also called second christmas day) | 09:56 |
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Nicd- | Frye: ah | 09:56 |
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krandom | is there any guide on how to use extra repos on jolla? | 09:58 |
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jake9xx | krandom: ssu ar "name" "url" | 10:12 |
jake9xx | then do pkcon refresh | 10:12 |
krandom | thanks. now, is there a list of community repos somewhere? | 10:13 |
jake9xx | all public repos on merproject.org are somewhat safe to be used | 10:13 |
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jake9xx | we even embed mer-tools in our config but it is not enabled. to get it say ssu ar mer-tools | 10:15 |
atlaz | http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1526249_10152068653114286_86062996_n.jpg bah. I tought i would be ready already. Still ALOT of work to do | 10:16 |
krandom | jake9xx, thanks for the info | 10:18 |
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AL13N_lizzy | atlaz: is that a TOH? :-) | 10:22 |
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thessy | anyone tested already 'osmand~' from fdroid in jolla? i'm quite impressed, osm cards, offline navigation... | 11:41 |
thessy | does voice navigation work for anyone? | 11:44 |
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pcfe | ah, my journal has rotated, how do I output entries from before the rotation (I'm wondering why my tohd.service is running again even though I did a sysctl disable and a stop yesterdy, but http://fpaste.org/64359/) | 12:07 |
pcfe | oh, RuntimeMaxUse=1M and Storage=volatile, guess I wwill not be looking at past logs | 12:13 |
pcfe | s/ww/w/ | 12:13 |
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Pnuu | pcfe: sysctl mask tohd.service | 12:16 |
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pcfe | Pnuu: yeah, I was looking because I was wondering about mask (not used before) and (disable), seems mask is indeed needed. I was kinda sorta expecting that since I did not remove TOH (and thus did not trigger the switch) that mask would not be needed | 12:18 |
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Pnuu | pcfe: someone (Stskeeps?) said that disable'd processes can still be started by other sysctl stuff | 12:20 |
spider-mario | yes | 12:21 |
spider-mario | but appearently, masking tohd.service can brick the phone | 12:21 |
spider-mario | so I’d just stop it manually for now | 12:21 |
pcfe | Pnuu: yes (mask will link these units to /dev/null). The question I am curious about if what calls it if not the TOH change detet switch | 12:22 |
pcfe | s/if what/is what/ | 12:22 |
Pnuu | spider-mario: that seems to be quite common idea, any source for that? | 12:23 |
spider-mario | I’ll look for it | 12:23 |
Pnuu | that was also said at t.j.c | 12:23 |
Pnuu | but someone commented, that the bricking wasn't related to tohd | 12:23 |
spider-mario | here, in french: http://jollafr.org/tutoriel-comment-desactiver-la-puce-nfc-du-jolla-pour-economiser-de-la-batterie/#comment-23850 | 12:24 |
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Pnuu | spider-mario: https://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/ | 12:34 |
Pnuu | "FWIW, the brick was unrelated to this." - stskeeps | 12:34 |
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covox | stupid question, but does the brightness slider actually do anything? | 14:21 |
SpeedEvil | A tiny amount | 14:22 |
Nicd- | covox: not if you have auto brightness set | 14:22 |
SpeedEvil | Needs a bug raised on together - it can get much dimmer under auto-brightness | 14:22 |
covox | I'm trying to use it in the dark | 14:23 |
covox | my retinas hurt | 14:23 |
Quu | covox: it does way more than what "automatic brightness" does | 14:24 |
covox | the idle dimmer is much better | 14:24 |
covox | but the slider has about 3% range | 14:25 |
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Quu | something like that | 14:27 |
macmaN | SpeedEvil: brightness thing is already reported on TJO | 14:27 |
macmaN | TJC | 14:27 |
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Quu | FTN | 14:28 |
Nicd- | love all these TLAs | 14:28 |
Chaz6 | TDSftw | 14:28 |
Quu | PLSWTFM8 | 14:28 |
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Pnuu | try working with satellies, and then come complaining about acronyms ;-D | 14:29 |
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Kabouik | Or Biology and Research in general D: | 14:29 |
macmaN | TMO and TJC - the only things you need to know | 14:31 |
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Quu | no idea what any of those mean. | 14:32 |
Kabouik | I guess TJC is together.jolla.com, seems useful by the way | 14:33 |
Kabouik | Just like TMO | 14:33 |
macmaN | talk maemo org, together jolla com ? | 14:33 |
Pnuu | yup | 14:33 |
SpeedEvil | macmaN: ah | 14:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | is there actually something useful at TMO? | 14:50 |
SpeedEvil | AL13N_lizzy: yes. | 14:50 |
AL13N_lizzy | btw: if anyone wants to see my pic: https://together.jolla.com/users/289/al13n/ :-) | 14:51 |
SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, scattered. | 14:51 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: cute | 14:52 |
Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/users/54/pnuu/ | 14:53 |
Nicd- | eww, I'm xenophobic | 14:53 |
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Pnuu | Nicd-: hay, I don't look that alien! | 14:55 |
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Nicd- | hehe | 14:57 |
ggabriel | hi there | 15:03 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: i saw your pic before when i was following you :-) | 15:53 |
AL13N_lizzy | iceman or something | 15:53 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: it was -34 or so when I went for a 1,5 h walk :-) | 15:54 |
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Pnuu | (centigrade) | 15:56 |
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Morpog | yay, wifi hotspot app: https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot/tree/master/RPMS | 16:06 |
AL13N_lizzy | is it accepted yet? who wrote it? | 16:06 |
Morpog | https://sremes.kapsi.fi/ | 16:07 |
Nicd- | "This app has not been yet submitted to Jolla Harbour, since it uses connman-qt5 library, which is not yet approved, and I have not bothered as of yet to include the library into this project." | 16:07 |
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SpeedEvil | Infrastructure or ad-hoc> | 16:08 |
SpeedEvil | ? | 16:08 |
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Elleo | SpeedEvil: looks like infrastructure mode | 16:20 |
Elleo | seems to work nicely | 16:20 |
Nicd- | I love the speed at which new apps are coming :) | 16:20 |
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SpeedEvil | nice | 16:22 |
SpeedEvil | Just need the fleshlight app approved in store. | 16:22 |
SpeedEvil | Err - flashlight | 16:22 |
Nicd- | hahaha | 16:22 |
Morpog | yep infrastructure, my Nexus 7 cannot see it | 16:23 |
Elleo | Morpog: that'd suggest adhoc mode then | 16:23 |
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Elleo | it's adhoc that android devices can't connect to | 16:23 |
SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:23 |
SpeedEvil | Grr. | 16:23 |
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Morpog | elleo, ok, then it's ad hoc :D | 16:24 |
SpeedEvil | 'No, you don't want ad-hoc. Even though you were using it just fine the last version and we diddn't tell you an upgrade would remove it' | 16:24 |
Elleo | nope, definitely infrastructure mode | 16:24 |
Elleo | my nexus 7 can see and connect to it fine | 16:24 |
SpeedEvil | :) | 16:24 |
Morpog | elleo really? | 16:24 |
Elleo | yep | 16:24 |
Morpog | stock android? | 16:24 |
Elleo | yep | 16:24 |
SpeedEvil | Elleo: assuming your nexus 7 is not the 2012 version and you never upgraded? | 16:24 |
Morpog | i try again | 16:24 |
Elleo | SpeedEvil: it's a brand new one, it was a christmas gift from a client | 16:25 |
Morpog | aah, now my Nexus 7 can see it | 16:25 |
Morpog | Cool! | 16:25 |
Elleo | excellent :) | 16:25 |
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SpeedEvil | Now, can someone implement: http://xkcd.com/416/ | 16:26 |
Elleo | heh | 16:27 |
AL13N_lizzy | i would like to delete some answers which don't make sense at all... but it seems that isn't possible? | 16:27 |
Elleo | AL13N_lizzy: AskBot (the software together is using) gradually gives you more power as you get more karma | 16:27 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: you just need more karma :-) | 16:27 |
Elleo | AL13N_lizzy: so it might be that you just don't have enough to delete answers yet | 16:27 |
M4rtinK | MOAR POWAR! :) | 16:28 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i think you only need a little bit more of karma :) | 16:34 |
AL13N_lizzy | it didn't say any limit when it denied it to me | 16:40 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyway, is there anyone else who would like to clean this up? | 16:40 |
ggabriel | oh, so you tried already | 16:40 |
ggabriel | which question? | 16:40 |
AL13N_lizzy | i can edit posts, so i didn't think it would be different | 16:41 |
ggabriel | maybe just downvote the answer? | 16:41 |
AL13N_lizzy | https://together.jolla.com/question/206/landscape-mode/ <-- the last 2 answers are just not answers at all, they should be comments even though it's useless to say that. | 16:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | also, someone should really have duplicate link to the actual original post | 16:42 |
ggabriel | i can't :) | 16:42 |
ggabriel | min 500 it says | 16:42 |
ggabriel | but you're 120% correct | 16:43 |
ggabriel | link is in the first answer actually | 16:43 |
M4rtinK | also I think there should be separate "closed" and "duplicate" flags | 16:43 |
M4rtinK | currently most closed questions are duplicates, but not all | 16:44 |
AL13N_lizzy | i don't really care if duplicate is part of closed... as long as it actually link to the duplicate one | 16:45 |
AL13N_lizzy | that is really annoying | 16:45 |
AL13N_lizzy | also the search is annoying | 16:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | as in how it only works with complete words | 16:46 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: the "avoid enter to use spaces" solution you mentioned didn't work | 16:46 |
ggabriel | well, for me | 16:46 |
ggabriel | maybe no love for ff | 16:46 |
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AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: yes, i'm using ff, if i press enter, i get all these %20 ones, but if i click next (or in drop down below) on the button, i get real spaces | 16:47 |
AL13N_lizzy | though it doesn't search, that is only for new posts | 16:48 |
AL13N_lizzy | btw: anyone want this too? https://together.jolla.com/question/2806/wardriving-app/ | 16:48 |
AL13N_lizzy | also, anyone know what DC-HSDPA means? is this like 3G? https://together.jolla.com/question/2764/is-jolla-dc-hsdpa-compatible/ | 16:48 |
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mcfrisk | which package provides ag-tool? | 16:51 |
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HarhaanJohtaja | dc-hspda is "4g" at least many operators say so if i remember correctly | 16:51 |
Pnuu | mcfrisk: I believe libaccounts-glib-tools | 16:53 |
Pnuu | HarhaanJohtaja: no | 16:53 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: dual-carrier 3G, so 3.5G | 16:53 |
mcfrisk | Pnuu: libaccounts-glib-tools installed but I don't have ag-tool on my jolla | 16:54 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: iow: probably not | 16:56 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyone also want NFS mount app? https://together.jolla.com/question/2819/nfs-mount-app/ | 16:57 |
M4rtinK | would be useful :) | 16:58 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: good idea, and adding another one ;-) | 16:58 |
M4rtinK | NFS v3 or v4 ? :) | 16:58 |
M4rtinK | BTW, doe we also have a question for a Samba one ? | 16:58 |
ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/2821/request-dlnaupnp-support/ | 16:59 |
ggabriel | M4rtinK: AL13N_lizzy included cifs support, which i think it's samba (isn't it?) | 16:59 |
ggabriel | this website makes me feel like a boy scout with all its badges | 17:00 |
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Pnuu | badges badges badges, oh no it's a downvote! | 17:00 |
AL13N_lizzy | lol | 17:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | who cares... at some point we've helped alot, who cares if you are high or low | 17:01 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: thanks :) | 17:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyone likes to read manga? https://together.jolla.com/question/2823/native-mangawhat-app/ | 17:01 |
M4rtinK | well, I'm kinda split on the split vs merge question | 17:01 |
M4rtinK | as a regular Bugzilla user, I'm kinda more for splitting stuff to self contained questions | 17:02 |
M4rtinK | well, once I get modRana running, I plan to port my Mieru offline manga/comic book reader :) | 17:03 |
Pnuu | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/1039/sharing-dlna/ | 17:03 |
M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73907 | 17:03 |
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AL13N_lizzy | M4rtinK: problem is that i've used MangaWhat and mark favorites, predownloaded from mangareader.net and such already | 17:05 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: https://together.jolla.com/question/976/nfs-access/ | 17:07 |
M4rtinK | well, mine is offline only anyway | 17:07 |
M4rtinK | at least for now :) | 17:07 |
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M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: BTW, on my Android tablet, I'm using Manga Watcher: http://www.manga-watcher.com/ | 17:08 |
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M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: works really well, used to be in Play store but is self hosted since some dispute with Google | 17:09 |
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M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: in the usual scenario, Google is totally unreachable to solve the dispute :) | 17:10 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: actually, not a duplicate | 17:12 |
Pnuu | isn't? | 17:13 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: NFS access is possible, i want an app for it | 17:13 |
AL13N_lizzy | that's why i tagged it app-request | 17:13 |
AL13N_lizzy | M4rtinK: business as usual | 17:14 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: ah, true! | 17:14 |
AL13N_lizzy | gonna reopen and try to edit and be more clear! | 17:14 |
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Pnuu | reopened already and removed my comment | 17:15 |
AL13N_lizzy | ok :-) | 17:16 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: i bolded "app" | 17:17 |
Pnuu | :-) | 17:18 |
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Stskeeps | good evening | 17:21 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: after rereading, i didn't know how to make it clearer | 17:22 |
AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: yo, how goes your holidays :-) | 17:22 |
Pnuu | evening | 17:22 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: maybe something like "Although it is possible to use NFS from commandline, a NFS mounting app would be nice to have"? | 17:24 |
Pnuu | instead of the current first sentence | 17:24 |
M4rtinK | well, app - what about "integrated OS functionality accessible from the UI" ? :) | 17:25 |
javispedro | unless you plan on letting tracker index any "newly mounted NFS mounts", what use do you have from a UI NFS mounting app? | 17:25 |
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Pnuu | javispedro: devmode not needed | 17:26 |
javispedro | devmode will be always needed as you need root to insmod | 17:26 |
M4rtinK | javispedro: well, that could be worked around | 17:26 |
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M4rtinK | javispedro: and I would expect classic "open file/folder" players to show up sooner or later | 17:27 |
Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: it's all good | 17:27 |
tbr | nothing that needs root privs is allowed in harbor | 17:27 |
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javispedro | M4rtinK: but then e.g. gvfs plugins are more interesting because they allow those things in userspace | 17:28 |
javispedro | (or kio or whatever Qt uses , if anything...) | 17:28 |
M4rtinK | well, I don't really care how it is implemented | 17:28 |
javispedro | (for the normal user -- not for me of course) | 17:28 |
M4rtinK | as long it works, is reasonable performance and secure | 17:28 |
javispedro | NFS and secure in the same sentence? | 17:29 |
M4rtinK | *performant | 17:29 |
AL13N_lizzy | and maintainable... etc... | 17:29 |
M4rtinK | yep, that too | 17:29 |
AL13N_lizzy | can anyone with access remove the last answer from this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ? | 17:29 |
M4rtinK | ok, maybe not secure with NFS :) | 17:29 |
AL13N_lizzy | annoying people who answer instead of comment | 17:29 |
AL13N_lizzy | M4rtinK: there is NFSv4... | 17:30 |
AL13N_lizzy | though at home i use v3 | 17:30 |
AL13N_lizzy | but if i'm linking it with openvpn, it'll be ok :-) | 17:30 |
M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: I know, but that it about all I know about v4 - that it exists :) | 17:30 |
M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: or SSH tunnel | 17:30 |
javispedro | I suspect that the gvfs cifs plugin may be already there | 17:30 |
javispedro | in the device I mean. | 17:31 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: still 153 short of karma | 17:31 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: heh | 17:33 |
AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: if you like, could you remove 2nd answer from https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ? it's annoying when people should comment rather than answer | 17:34 |
ggabriel | Pnuu: thanks for closing my dlna question | 17:34 |
ggabriel | search doesn't work properly, clearly | 17:35 |
AL13N_lizzy | yeah :-S | 17:35 |
Pnuu | it's a bit slow and unintuitive | 17:36 |
ggabriel | well, i searched for dlna and upnp before | 17:36 |
ggabriel | twice | 17:36 |
ggabriel | :) | 17:36 |
ggabriel | also, if you search "dlna" and hit enter, you get no results | 17:36 |
AL13N_lizzy | heh | 17:36 |
Pnuu | ggabriel: try this: write dlna to the search/ask/foo textbox but don't hit enter | 17:37 |
HarhaanJohtaja | i got 3 qustions | 17:37 |
ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah, you get the typeahead kind of results | 17:38 |
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ggabriel | Pnuu: i was doing that, but, like you say, sometimes it's slow | 17:38 |
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Pnuu | ggabriel: yeah :-/ | 17:38 |
ggabriel | intuitively, when you hit enter, you want the next page with results | 17:38 |
ggabriel | hit enter or click the magnifying glass | 17:38 |
ggabriel | anyway | 17:38 |
mcfrisk | my missing ag-tool issue was just a user not able to enable network connection on phone | 17:39 |
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Pnuu | ggabriel: sounds like a feature-request + together + askbot :-) | 17:40 |
ggabriel | Pnuu: yeap, maybe | 17:40 |
ggabriel | aahhhh | 17:41 |
ggabriel | so it filters by all/unanswered/followed | 17:41 |
ggabriel | good to know | 17:41 |
ggabriel | ok, now how do i go about and persist iptables rules? :) | 17:41 |
AL13N_lizzy | when searching you ideally want all | 17:41 |
AL13N_lizzy | to start with | 17:41 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yeah, you have to make sure you click "all" and then search | 17:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | that's annoying | 17:42 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: use FirewallD ? :) | 17:42 |
ggabriel | yeah, but that's more of a feature request | 17:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | especially since if you just go to together, you aren filtered on unanswered | 17:42 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD | 17:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: rc.local ? :-) | 17:42 |
ggabriel | M4rtinK: i meant on the jolla | 17:42 |
AL13N_lizzy | what kind of iptables frontend is jolla using? | 17:43 |
AL13N_lizzy | shorewall? | 17:43 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: so do I :) | 17:43 |
ggabriel | i have no idea | 17:43 |
ggabriel | i never use fw frontends | 17:43 |
ggabriel | maybe i want iptables-restore /etc/sysconfig/iptables every time it's turned on | 17:44 |
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AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: check what kind of systemd services there are | 17:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | you can probably use iptables.service (if it's there) | 17:46 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yeap, will do | 17:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | don't forget ip6tables.service as well :-) | 17:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | or you're gonna be hacked if you accidentally walk into a wifi zone with ipv6 functionality | 17:46 |
ggabriel | i just want to persist usb tethering, and i use ipv4, so there | 17:46 |
mcfrisk | anyone know how to edit the jolla email signature? The separator needs a space :) | 17:47 |
AL13N_lizzy | lol @ https://together.jolla.com/question/862/stock-browser-should-be-based-on-chromium-browser/ | 17:48 |
AL13N_lizzy | i have downvoted it | 17:49 |
M4rtinK | Oh how I hate those "Sent from my shiny mobile device" signatures ! It looks just _so_ unprofessional. :) | 17:49 |
AL13N_lizzy | me too | 17:50 |
Plnt | mcfrisk: if you mean the content of the signature it's in settings -> apps -> email | 17:50 |
M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: well, the upcoming Qt WebEngine will be using the new Blink engine used by Chromium :) | 17:50 |
Plnt | mcfrisk: if you mean how to edit the actual signature separator i have no idea where is that located but it will probably need devel mode + terminal access :) | 17:51 |
Morpog | lol it's -1 votes now | 17:51 |
M4rtinK | AL13N_lizzy: but yeah, kinda moot as the Sailfish browser is using the Mozilla Gecko embed stuff anyway | 17:51 |
ggabriel | i commented... the request should be "ability to sync" | 17:51 |
ggabriel | it'd be a valid request otherwise | 17:51 |
mcfrisk | Plnt: thanks, I was expecting devel mode answer and vi something on device :) | 17:53 |
Plnt | :)) | 17:54 |
ggabriel | the settings->apps is awesome btw | 17:54 |
Pnuu | mcfrisk: file and bug report, I'll upvote that | 17:55 |
Plnt | yep, i like that idea, too. it doesn't clutter the app itself and all settings are on one place. | 17:55 |
Pnuu | M4rtinK: another thing I don't understand is changing irc nick depending on the device :-P | 17:56 |
SpeedEvil | Pnuu: It can be useful if you've got multiple logged in devices - or may do. | 17:56 |
M4rtinK | well, that kinda makes sense | 17:56 |
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M4rtinK | I'm actually doing that | 17:57 |
Pnuu | why, may I ask? | 17:57 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyone know how to force different mobile network? https://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/ | 17:57 |
Pnuu | SpeedEvil: doesn't really, atleast for me :-D | 17:57 |
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SpeedEvil | AL13N_lizzy: And on the related matter - I'd like to know signal strengths for available networks, before purchasing SIM | 17:58 |
M4rtinK | well, can't have the same login in two clients | 17:58 |
SpeedEvil | M4rtinK: Well - you sort of can. Quassel. | 17:58 |
M4rtinK | well, sure I could also setup a bouncer and use that :) | 17:59 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i think it's in settings->mobile network. can't test right now as my sim card is in the n9 | 17:59 |
Pnuu | bouncer or screen :-) | 17:59 |
SpeedEvil | AL13N_lizzy: I guess the root question is 'how do I talk to the modem via at commands' | 17:59 |
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Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: you don't really.. it all goes through the RIL , i think | 18:00 |
AL13N_lizzy | SpeedEvil: rather, how can i influence the software that binds to mobile network | 18:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | at the very least such a thing has a blacklist feature | 18:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | and mapping signal strength for various providers would also be nice | 18:02 |
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AL13N_lizzy | perhaps there's an app for that | 18:02 |
SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: at+cops=? would in principle let me read back the list of available operators. | 18:02 |
SpeedEvil | But oh well. | 18:02 |
mcfrisk | Plnt: https://together.jolla.com/question/2884/email-signature-separator-use-standard-dash-dash-space-/ | 18:04 |
Plnt | mcfrisk: upvoted | 18:05 |
* Pnuu too | 18:06 | |
Pnuu | also retagged, +bug | 18:07 |
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Pnuu | I guess "standards-violation" would be a tad harsh ;-D | 18:08 |
M4rtinK | "treason" ? :) | 18:08 |
Pnuu | :-D | 18:09 |
ggabriel | lol | 18:09 |
Stskeeps | treason against the interweb | 18:10 |
Pnuu | damn, I never remember to check the "minor edit" box | 18:16 |
pp_ | You know what happens to standards violators? http://xkcd.com/838/ | 18:17 |
Pnuu | there should be a way to change "answers" to comments | 18:18 |
ggabriel | Pnuu: +1 | 18:19 |
pp_ | re signal strength, http://www.netradar.org/en may be useful (no sailfish client I suppose) | 18:19 |
mcfrisk | is the email client adding a ; to the end of all standard header fields like To: ? | 18:20 |
mcfrisk | too OutLook'ish for me | 18:20 |
M4rtinK | pp_: there is also OpenSignal http://opensignal.com/index.php?lat=51.5289&lng=-0.1016&initZoom=10&isHeatMap=1 | 18:21 |
Kiranos | is there widget support for sailfishos btw? | 18:21 |
Kiranos | live status from an app | 18:21 |
ggabriel | Kiranos: that's what the covers are for | 18:21 |
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Kiranos | ggabriel: nice, is it possible to get android apps widget added? | 18:22 |
Kiranos | is in love with anag for icinga/nagios status updates | 18:22 |
ggabriel | Kiranos: no idea, i haven't tried android yet, but i guess the answer is likely "no" (at least for hte time being) | 18:22 |
suy | I've transfered some albums to ~/Music, but only 1 cover appears in Albums (the others have the transparent icon). Do you know what assigns an image? I have no embedded artwork, just cover.jpg files in the folders | 18:25 |
M4rtinK | suy: probably some tracker magic | 18:27 |
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suy | that's what I thought. Any way to make it reindex or something? I've tried even rebooting | 18:27 |
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flux | do partially written text messages (and then swipe away) get lost for you as well? | 18:34 |
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ggabriel | flux: yeap, and there is a request for that in together | 18:36 |
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flux | can't find it.. | 18:38 |
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ggabriel | flux: i may be wrong then | 18:39 |
* ggabriel read so many bugs in so many different places... | 18:39 | |
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flux | ggabriel, do you happen to remember any keywords? partial, sms or message didn't do it for me. | 18:40 |
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HarhaanJohtaja | this? https://together.jolla.com/question/1224/bug-message-draft-is-deleted-when-moving-between-conversations/ | 18:41 |
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Pnuu | gnaah, why people add tags to topic, like [bug] or bug: | 18:43 |
Pnuu | -> sauna | 18:43 |
ggabriel | Pnuu: i have done. and the reason is: mistake :) | 18:44 |
flux | I find it rather useful, if there were a common approach to it. there doesn't appear to way to say that tag X is the most important one, etc. | 18:44 |
Pnuu | flux: there's the tagging system for that :-) | 18:45 |
flux | for example if it were possible to colorize tags (and it would be jolla employees that would do the colorization) then plain tags would be just as useful | 18:45 |
flux | pnuu, I can't really visually prune out bugs and features from each other from the long list of tags as easily as from the Bug: -prefix | 18:45 |
Pnuu | I'd assume the first one is the most important | 18:46 |
flux | I'd assume they are just in random order | 18:46 |
Pnuu | flux: hmm, maybe | 18:46 |
Pnuu | but now to sauna \o/ | 18:46 |
ggabriel | in fairness, the faq hasn't given any guidance on this... | 18:46 |
flux | but it would make sense to have the most common tags first | 18:46 |
ggabriel | (and jolla is going to have to go through this, so *shrug*) | 18:46 |
flux | (barring that, alphabetically) | 18:46 |
flux | that way the most high-level tags would always be first.. | 18:46 |
flux | (but I wonder if Jola has lots of manpower to change the askbot, if that is even possible without asking askbot to do it..) | 18:47 |
Quu | one does not simply ask the askbot | 18:48 |
flux | askbot is open source so changing it should be possible. if you have python/django-able developers around. | 18:48 |
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fk_lx | ah 666 questions on Together :-D | 18:54 |
Waitee | satan owns jolla | 18:54 |
Waitee | gg wp | 18:54 |
Waitee | next will be jolla lumia wp9 phone | 18:55 |
Quu | windows mobile 5 | 18:55 |
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ggabriel | on a more cheesy topic, i realized yesterday that i'll miss my n9 when i switch to the jolla | 18:57 |
micko_ | I do I fix sending email? it always tells me "Ongelma synkronoinnissa" (problem in synchronization?). I've seen the fix, but don't remember where | 18:57 |
ggabriel | micko_: you mean the fix involving ag-tools? | 18:58 |
micko_ | I tried fixing with sqlite, but it didn't help | 18:59 |
micko_ | so I guess yesh | 18:59 |
ggabriel | this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92122&highlight=sailfish+smtp | 18:59 |
ggabriel | i used ag-tools | 18:59 |
micko_ | thanks | 18:59 |
ggabriel | but ymmv | 18:59 |
ggabriel | as in... there may be different properties for different providers | 19:00 |
ggabriel | do you own the smtp server? | 19:00 |
micko_ | I have admin access to it yeah | 19:00 |
ggabriel | what error is it giving? | 19:00 |
ggabriel | (the server i mean) | 19:01 |
micko_ | I tried looking at the logs, but didn't find anything related to smtp. I admin some other parts of the server and the mail is mystery to me, so might have been looking the wrong place | 19:01 |
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ggabriel | so, no access to /var/log/maillog or anything similar? | 19:02 |
micko_ | I have full access to everything. I just lack the skills when it comes to mail servers | 19:03 |
ggabriel | micko_: ok, i suggest you start changing this setting: emailaddress | 19:03 |
micko_ | I checked /var/log/mail.err, .warn, .info and .log | 19:03 |
ggabriel | to your actual email address | 19:03 |
ggabriel | the other one i had to change was smtp/address | 19:04 |
ggabriel | oh, and fullName | 19:04 |
ggabriel | but it was a trial/error thing more than anything | 19:04 |
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micko_ | no help | 19:09 |
micko_ | still problem with sync | 19:09 |
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ggabriel | micko_: any other setting in ag-tool list-settings [...] that has the username and is _not_ smtp/smtpusername? | 19:11 |
friese | humm guys, anyone knows about qr-reader for sailfish? | 19:14 |
micko_ | ggabriel: imap4/username | 19:15 |
ggabriel | micko_: sorry then, i'm not sure why it doesn't work | 19:15 |
ggabriel | i'm assuming that it doesn't work for sending emails, correct? | 19:15 |
micko_ | yes. recieving works | 19:16 |
micko_ | it could be a problem with the server as well. we had some problems with certificates after previous system update | 19:16 |
ggabriel | your best bet is to check the server logs to see the actual error | 19:16 |
ggabriel | that will give you a clue | 19:17 |
parasemic | i'm really new to linux "hacking", so uhm, how do you update apps from repos you have added? :D | 19:17 |
ggabriel | most importantly: can you send emails using that server from other clients? :) | 19:17 |
parasemic | in this case, MitäKuuluu in icoderuses repo | 19:17 |
micko_ | I haven't found any logs from smtp yet, so there might be some info | 19:17 |
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micko_ | and yes. I can send mail with other clients :) n900 works fine | 19:18 |
ggabriel | micko_: then there is most likely a problem with the jolla | 19:18 |
ggabriel | but you need to check the logs... | 19:18 |
ggabriel | micko_: tip: the log may be set up in /etc/syslog.conf | 19:20 |
parasemic | guys? | 19:22 |
parasemic | whats the command to update apps from repositories | 19:22 |
ggabriel | parasemic: i'm not too familiar with packagekit i'm afraid, but the command would be pkcon | 19:22 |
ggabriel | or zypper, if you installed it | 19:23 |
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micko_ | ggabriel: now I found it! | 19:23 |
micko_ | 2013-12-26 21:08:57 SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=<my address and IP> input="\026\003\001" | 19:23 |
ggabriel | micko_: are you sure you configured the connection type correctly? (ssl vs tls vs plain)? | 19:24 |
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micko_ | I got thunderbird on my computer configured with "STARTTLS" and "normal password". When I conf jolla to use TLS it tells me there's problem logging in | 19:28 |
micko_ | when I set jolla on ssl, there's the problem with sync | 19:28 |
ggabriel | micko_: which port did you use with ssl? and does your server support ssl? | 19:29 |
micko_ | and smtp log says this with tls | 19:29 |
micko_ | 2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (recv): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. | 19:29 |
micko_ | 2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (send): The specified session has been invalidated for some reason. | 19:29 |
micko_ | port is 587. same that works on TB and n900 | 19:29 |
ggabriel | yeah, but on TB and n900 you use starttls, not ssl | 19:30 |
ggabriel | on the same port, correct? | 19:30 |
micko_ | on tb at least. I'll start up n900 and check | 19:30 |
ggabriel | yeah, i don't think you can use the same port :) | 19:31 |
ggabriel | is your server listening on port 465? | 19:31 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: according to timestamps Plint beat you to it (by a minute), could you remove your own duplicate answer? :-) | 19:35 |
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Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: as soon as I can find it :-D | 19:37 |
AL13N_lizzy | https://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/ | 19:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | sorry | 19:38 |
Pnuu | found it, gone | 19:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | forgot the link | 19:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | i had copied it and forgot to paste | 19:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | :-S | 19:38 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: huh... odd, your answer still stays even though the post says 1 answer | 19:39 |
micko_ | ggabriel: I'm guite sure the port is 587. and a strange thing... sending suddendly does not work on n900. same error on logs than with jolla | 19:39 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: yeah :-P | 19:39 |
Pnuu | also, [closed] topics can still be commented | 19:40 |
ggabriel | micko_: so how is the n900 configured then? starttls or ssl? | 19:40 |
micko_ | ssl | 19:40 |
ggabriel | micko_: i'm 99.99% certain that you can't use ssl and sarttls on an unencrypted connection in the same port | 19:41 |
ggabriel | unless you have something weird that multiplexes the connections somehow | 19:41 |
pigletto_ | micko_: might be connected with: https://together.jolla.com/question/1042/smtp-problem-with-loggingcertificate/ | 19:41 |
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AL13N_lizzy | anyone seen this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2945/nonworking-android-apps/ ? at first i was gonna request him to redo it and split it up, but it's a wiki question | 19:42 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: of course, or i couldn't comment if someone duplicates it, saying that they are wrong :-) | 19:43 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: what do you mean by "it's a wiki question"? | 19:43 |
AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: look above the posters name | 19:43 |
AL13N_lizzy | there's a small icon that says "this post is a wiki, ..." | 19:44 |
ggabriel | o i c | 19:44 |
ggabriel | so that happens when you tick "community post" | 19:44 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: true, but then the closed is a bit misleading.. | 19:44 |
AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: yes | 19:44 |
micko_ | pigletto_: might be... I tried the settings with kmail and sending mail gave me a certificate error | 19:45 |
ggabriel | micko_: i think that you have a few issues | 19:45 |
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ggabriel | on one hand, your ssl doesn't seem to work (try it with thunderbird and see what happens) | 19:45 |
ggabriel | if you are using postfix, then what pigletto_ suggested may be the issue why it doesn't work with startssl on your jolla | 19:45 |
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parasemic | where can i get the flashlight app? | 19:52 |
micko_ | ggabriel: tb has only two choices. starttls and ssl/tls | 19:53 |
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micko_ | and the ssl/tls one does not work | 19:55 |
AL13N_lizzy | btw: anyone know where to store CA certs? https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ | 19:56 |
AL13N_lizzy | parasemic: iirc the Torch api is not yet finalized, so iinm there is an app laying in wait for it to be finalized so that it can be in the store | 19:58 |
Morpog | that was the most strange icon I ever did :) | 19:58 |
parasemic | alright, was just wondering as @AnttiSaarnio tweeted a pic of the flashlight app | 19:59 |
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Morpog | it's the one from artemma | 20:05 |
Morpog | should be in store soon he said somewhere | 20:05 |
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artemma | it's in harbour QA since Dec 23 | 20:06 |
artemma | unfortunately harbour seems to be slower than even apple app store | 20:06 |
artemma | and without much progress info | 20:06 |
artemma | go grab the built at http://bit.ly/flashlight17 | 20:06 |
artemma | the build* | 20:06 |
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mikhas | got my jolla phone, at last | 20:07 |
Stskeeps | yay | 20:07 |
mikhas | how do people deal with the non-working shop? | 20:08 |
Stskeeps | hmm? | 20:08 |
artemma | and yes, the torch api is not working, so flashlight is impossible. Except if with hell a lot of bouncing head against the wall :) | 20:08 |
mikhas | I found it kind of non-intuitive to get the system update | 20:08 |
Stskeeps | mikhas: got a jolla account? | 20:08 |
mikhas | (had to read Aard's blog) | 20:08 |
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mikhas | yes, why? | 20:08 |
mikhas | I think the phone asked for it, too | 20:08 |
Stskeeps | good - non-working shop? | 20:08 |
mikhas | yeah, out of the box, the shop wouldnt work | 20:09 |
mikhas | wouldnt show any contents | 20:09 |
M4rtinK | artemma: hopefully the API will be fixed - flashlight is quite a critical functionality at times :) | 20:09 |
mikhas | s/shop/store | 20:09 |
M4rtinK | artemma: have you posted a question for it ? :) | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | mikhas: hmmm | 20:10 |
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Stskeeps | also | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | aard has a blog? | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:10 |
artemma | M4rtinK: I was trying to tell that somebody (me) bounced his head against the wall long enough to make the impossible flashlight possible ;) | 20:10 |
mikhas | well, it was definitely him who commented on the issue | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:10 |
mikhas | cant find the link but am looking | 20:10 |
M4rtinK | artemma: yeah, I've followed your odyssey :) | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | mikhas: does it work for you now? | 20:11 |
mikhas | yes, after the system update | 20:11 |
Stskeeps | good | 20:11 |
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mikhas | but aren't system updates something I shouldnt have to trigger manually? | 20:11 |
artemma | I would more appreciate if jolla could fix a bug with two apps trying to control the camera (at the moment it crashes the device). That would make it possible to enable cover control for flashlught | 20:11 |
parasemic | cool, seems like my led is broken.. ffs -.- | 20:12 |
parasemic | its flickering alot | 20:12 |
Stskeeps | mikhas: aye - also, are you 3G-only or wifi too? | 20:12 |
mikhas | both | 20:12 |
Stskeeps | ok | 20:12 |
mikhas | found the link: http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-os-got-yet-another-minor-software-update/ | 20:13 |
Stskeeps | odd, i'll see if i can reproduce that behaviour | 20:13 |
mikhas | I found the step to *trigger* the download/update non-obvious | 20:16 |
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mikhas | but that's perhaps me getting used to the ux first | 20:16 |
Stskeeps | you discovered our co-creation site yet, too? | 20:17 |
Yaniel | aka stackoverflow clone | 20:17 |
mikhas | yes | 20:17 |
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parasemic | anyone else experience major flickering with the flashlight? | 20:20 |
Morpog | mikhas, I guess the device checks once a day if there is a system update available | 20:20 |
mikhas | hm, good point | 20:22 |
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SpeedEvil | parasemic: it's a hack - it's not supposed to flicker severely - but its not able to simply turn the light on. | 20:22 |
fk_lx | mikhas: hi :-) | 20:23 |
Morpog | hopefully next batches will be delivered with uptodate firmware from factory | 20:23 |
parasemic | speedevil, ah okay | 20:23 |
mikhas | hi fk_lx | 20:23 |
zorael | What is the word on MMS support? I'm in the settings for Mobile network and can't seem to add a second connection | 20:25 |
zorael | (Telia here in Sweden seem to have one APN for normal mobile data, one for MMS) | 20:26 |
tbr | zorael: no MMS support currently | 20:26 |
zorael | tbr: aw, okay :< | 20:26 |
Pnuu | zorael: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 20:26 |
Pnuu | upvoting should help :-) | 20:27 |
zorael | on it | 20:27 |
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Yaniel | "no ops, I'm outta here" wut | 20:35 |
raa70 | old script | 20:36 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyone know the answer to this one? https://together.jolla.com/question/3005/why-do-i-keep-having-new-responses/ | 20:45 |
Pnuu | hmm | 20:48 |
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AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: y'all have this too, right? | 20:49 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: no, I have been able to clear those | 20:50 |
Pnuu | now I selected all and clicked dismiss -> only the topics were left visible | 20:51 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: ah! it shows only first 50, so the 6 responses might be in the older ones | 20:52 |
Pnuu | and after refreshing also the titles were cleared away | 20:52 |
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dunp | http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/26/tcl-idol-x-plus-2ghz-octa-core-activity-wristband/?ncid=rss_truncated | 20:56 |
Yaniel | ehh, media player browsing by artist is a bit broken | 20:56 |
Yaniel | it does not show songs without an album tag | 20:56 |
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Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: added an answer | 20:58 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: i haven't counted, but i might indeed be missing paging | 20:59 |
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Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: I had 96 responses there, and after dismissing I had 46 left :-) | 20:59 |
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Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: but there's no paging visible :-P | 21:01 |
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krandom | maybe this helps someone, as it helped me: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/temporary-fix-to-email-not-syncing-problem/ | 21:20 |
AL13N_lizzy | this is a difficult question: https://together.jolla.com/question/3014/clarification-of-open-source-policy/ | 21:24 |
AL13N_lizzy | not touching that one | 21:24 |
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cage | hi, is anyone here who could help me with boot problems on my jolla? | 21:28 |
Pnuu | Stskeeps still awake? | 21:29 |
tbr | cage: what did you do to it? | 21:32 |
cage | well, I tried to add sdcard to fstab to be mounted in adroid data... after reboot only black screen after boot logo. | 21:34 |
cage | I removed the line with fastboot image afterwards, but still no change | 21:34 |
Stskeeps | that was not very smart | 21:35 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:35 |
tbr | cage: whereabouts in germany? | 21:35 |
cage | yes | 21:36 |
tbr | _where_ in germany... big country and all that... | 21:36 |
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cage | :) dresden | 21:37 |
tbr | I'd try geolocating that IP, but I'm on a train and MOSH barely handles... | 21:37 |
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Yaniel | soo... first unbootable device? | 21:37 |
tbr | nah, someone else managed already IIRC | 21:38 |
rcg | tbr, wasn't that fixed with the help of Stskeeps ? | 21:38 |
tbr | cage: https://plus.google.com/events/cnqqpijpf5rjigjr1eold2991kc - attend and 'magic things™' might happen | 21:38 |
tbr | rcg: no idea, I didn't read the scrolling in here, too busy recently | 21:39 |
rcg | tbr, hehe, well, that's just what i remembered having read somewhere(tm) | 21:39 |
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AL13N_lizzy | if fastboot still works, it's not unbootable | 21:41 |
Yaniel | hmm with tohd.service stopped battery life is quite nice | 21:41 |
AJAX555 | it sure is nice | 21:41 |
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rcg | btw Stskeeps lurking here even during the holidays? | 21:41 |
Yaniel | most sailors seem to | 21:42 |
Pnuu | people who use irc, well, they (we) use irc :-D | 21:42 |
Yaniel | (most who do anyway) | 21:43 |
Skorpy | irssi all the time open. it's difficult not to look :P | 21:44 |
tbr | :> | 21:44 |
tbr | irssi ftw! | 21:44 |
Skorpy | yup | 21:44 |
AJAX555 | tbr: agreed | 21:44 |
tbr | (another great free software product from finland!) | 21:44 |
Pnuu | go us! 8-) | 21:44 |
Yaniel | if only clicking urls in weechat was easier.. | 21:45 |
pp_ | with fingerterm you don't need to click urls! | 21:45 |
pp_ | (another great free software product from finland!) | 21:45 |
* tbr uses fingerterm + mosh + screen + irssi == teh ultimate world dominating win! | 21:45 | |
Yaniel | but the url grabber does not work on too long urls | 21:45 |
Skorpy | tbr: tmux > screen, but yeah, screen works too :P | 21:46 |
tbr | yes, Hq`s fingerterm roxx! | 21:46 |
Yaniel | since they are wrapped due to layuout | 21:46 |
* pp_ updated to tmux too | 21:46 | |
Yaniel | (and nicklist) | 21:46 |
tbr | Skorpy: didn't get around to that yet, but yeah, have it on my radar | 21:46 |
Pnuu | tbr: does the mosh update screen correctly? | 21:47 |
Yaniel | tmux ftw | 21:47 |
rcg | heh, alright seems like you're the wrong (or even right) ones to ask about irc during holidays :D | 21:47 |
Pnuu | tbr: the version I found has a glitch when changing between irssi windows | 21:48 |
tbr | Pnuu: fingerterm seems to have some corner cases with lines that wrap | 21:48 |
Pnuu | rcg: :-D | 21:48 |
tbr | but that was on ssh on the n950 already | 21:48 |
Pnuu | tbr: ah, so it's not mosh? but that doesn't happen with plain ssh.. | 21:48 |
tbr | I'll check | 21:49 |
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tbr | I need to check if mosh in nemo is up to date anyway before I promote it to the community sailfish repo | 21:49 |
* Yaniel waiting eagerly for that | 21:50 | |
rcg | tbr, community sailfish repo? | 21:50 |
Skorpy | it's screen that breaks sometimes when changing windows in irssi. haven't had that problem after I changed to tmux | 21:50 |
Yaniel | Pnuu: ssh goes "ohai I getted u an escape sequence. but I eated it" | 21:50 |
Pnuu | omnom | 21:53 |
tbr | rcg: https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10 - nothing there yet. Simply lacked the time. But people are free to submit SRs already and warm up their engines. | 21:53 |
pp_ | mosh-1.2.4-1.2.1.armv7hl seems recent | 21:54 |
rcg | tbr, cool :D | 21:54 |
Yaniel | hmm | 21:55 |
rcg | tbr, might pester you some time about the mentioned guidelines and such :) | 21:56 |
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tbr | btw: the aim for that repo is to naturally complement upstreams and not to break things (but without warranties etc) | 21:56 |
Yaniel | could we have a packages.archlinux.org -like interface for that? | 21:57 |
tbr | e.g. I would prefer to inherit mosh from nemo:devel:apps instead of having someone maintain a divergent package | 21:57 |
rcg | tbr, sure, makes sense | 21:58 |
Yaniel | looks somewhat similar already :3 | 21:58 |
tbr | Yaniel: OBS already provides much of that | 21:58 |
rcg | tbr, but wouldn't simply adding nemo:devel:apps do the same then? | 21:58 |
AL13N_lizzy | can someone with a Jolla answer this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/3105/sync-how-to-sync/ ? | 21:59 |
tbr | rcg: I haven't fully made up my mind yet how this will relate, some things might not be compatible, so it might be better to rebuild them in a cleanly sailfish targeted project? | 22:00 |
tbr | rcg: clearly UI apps belong into chum, as they'll need the silica bits. | 22:01 |
rcg | tbr, aye, makes sense. especially considering that stuff in nemo:devel:foo usually changes at a pretty high speed | 22:01 |
rcg | tbr, right | 22:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | another one bites the dust: https://together.jolla.com/question/3114/i-there-a-way-to-reset-forgotten-root-password/ | 22:01 |
AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 22:01 |
merlin1991 | well that one would be easy | 22:01 |
pp_ | remains to be seen how fast sailfish moves :-) | 22:01 |
merlin1991 | generate new ssh pw, devel-su with new pw, passwd | 22:02 |
merlin1991 | ... | 22:02 |
rcg | so, having something "more stable" makes sense and of course to have sailfish specific stuff as well | 22:02 |
merlin1991 | profit | 22:02 |
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rcg | tbr, and you avoid deps to things like nemo:devel:mw etc. | 22:02 |
merlin1991 | AL13N_lizzy: I'd answer it now, but I don't have linux available atm to check if I'm right :D | 22:03 |
rcg | which i guess would have a good chance to break your sailfish installation if they are pulled in accidentally | 22:03 |
tbr | yeah | 22:04 |
AL13N_lizzy | i note that the most voted questions are actually the ones where the most "bikeshedding" is being done | 22:05 |
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AL13N_lizzy | due to a topic where everyone can say something, their activity keeps being high, which means it catches the most votes | 22:06 |
AL13N_lizzy | while some that are very clear and need no improvement, get less votes that way | 22:06 |
AL13N_lizzy | even if most people would want it (if they would see it) :-) | 22:06 |
merlin1991 | AL13N_lizzy: yeah like https://together.jolla.com/question/741/how-can-one-import-in-jolla-the-n900n9-call-history/ | 22:08 |
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AL13N_lizzy | merlin1991: no, not like that one at all... :-) | 22:14 |
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flux | so I think I wondered about this earlier but I finally made a together-question about it: https://together.jolla.com/question/3134/ability-to-rapidly-return-to-the-last-application-before-locking/ (basically: as fast return to last app after locking as in n900, or at least faster than it now is) | 22:17 |
flux | merlin1991, hey, that's pretty nice, thanks for the link :) | 22:18 |
flux | (..well, assuming it works..) | 22:19 |
Pnuu | flux: and it was a duplicate.. :-) | 22:20 |
flux | but ali3n has apparently read all the notifications ;-) | 22:20 |
flux | (I mean questions) | 22:21 |
flux | it doesn't link to the actual duplicate question though.. | 22:21 |
Pnuu | I'm on it | 22:21 |
Pnuu | (as soon as I can find it..) | 22:22 |
merlin1991 | the duplicate is https://together.jolla.com/question/1146/import-sms-from-nokia-n9/ | 22:22 |
merlin1991 | flux: and it works, I've tested it :) | 22:22 |
Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/472/after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/ | 22:24 |
Pnuu | and AL13N_lizzy was faster, again :-P | 22:24 |
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flux | I think that particular link could atleast have better tags | 22:27 |
flux | I think, for example, that lock-screen would be quite a relevant tag, maybe more relevant than having both ui and ux there ;-) | 22:28 |
flux | (I suppose the 5-tag limit could be increase as well, but perhaps that's not the best idea) | 22:28 |
Pnuu | retagged | 22:29 |
flux | great, I'll find it next time :) | 22:29 |
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flux | but I think it's for me to sleep. also all you tired Jolla developers, go to sleep now so you'll be ready to face the challenges tomorrow and implement all those things we've wished for ;-) | 22:32 |
Stskeeps | isn't that what we've done all xmas.. :( | 22:32 |
Pnuu | sleep, well, that might be good idea | 22:33 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: sorry buddy | 22:36 |
AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: i'm going to sleep soon, so you can do what you want now :-) | 22:36 |
AL13N_lizzy | flux: Pnuu: i too had a difficult time re-finding that original question | 22:37 |
Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: nah, there's a delete possibility for a reason :-) | 22:38 |
Pnuu | and now, sleep | 22:38 |
Trizt | what about this one https://together.jolla.com/question/3185/syncing-n900-calendar-to-jolla-everything-is-off-sync-with-one-hour/ | 22:39 |
Stskeeps | smells like a timezone setting wrong on one of the devices | 22:40 |
ortylp | what is the most usable IRC client for Jolla (not necessary on teminal) | 22:40 |
Trizt | Stskeeps: is there a way to adjust the timezone in Jolla so it will have the correct time? | 22:41 |
Stskeeps | well, in settings..? :P | 22:41 |
Trizt | Stskeeps: I have it set to auto sync with operator, shows the correct time for the time zone | 22:42 |
ortylp | Stskeeps: there was some report (on together.jolla.com) about alarm being one hour off against displayed hour | 22:42 |
ortylp | Stskeeps: maybe it is related... | 22:42 |
Stskeeps | perhaps | 22:42 |
Trizt | don't see how whole day events should be clocked by timezone, they should be bound to the date | 22:43 |
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Trizt | ortylp: could be, having a CET derivated timezone seems to still prefer EET (Helsinki) | 22:44 |
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FireFly | ortylp, Stskeeps: also related: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/ | 22:46 |
FireFly | Though I think that one might be because it creates a Date object pointing to 00:00 of some day in UTC, and then take the local date of it, or something like that | 22:46 |
FireFly | thus being off-by-one in some cases | 22:47 |
FireFly | But I don't blame you, time is hard.. | 22:48 |
Stskeeps | time isn't hard, it's a literal nightmare | 22:48 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
FireFly | :D | 22:49 |
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artemma | There are two biggest problems in programming: Naming, Synchronization and Off-by-one errors | 22:57 |
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viq | What's the recommended way to back up jolla before I play with the developer mode? | 23:02 |
stephg | viq there's no officially sanctioned way to flash an image yet | 23:03 |
stephg | so it depends what you mean by 'play' | 23:03 |
spider-mario | artemma : you are concurrencyforgetting | 23:03 |
viq | oh | 23:03 |
viq | stephg: well, don't really know, start slow I guess - first thing I need to figure out is why the SD card is not getting mounted | 23:04 |
stephg | we can probably help with that :) | 23:04 |
viq | I guess next up on the list is installing gpodder ;) | 23:04 |
stephg | how big and which filesystem | 23:04 |
viq | 64, I don't think it mounted with ext4, I'm certain it didn't mount with btrfs | 23:04 |
viq | /run/user/100000/ shows only sdcard/ which is empty, I named the FS SD64 | 23:05 |
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viq | (yeah, I know, I'm creative like that) | 23:05 |
viq | Tried both inserting while off and while on | 23:05 |
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stephg | viq with a 64GB card you're out of luck with anything fat | 23:07 |
stephg | ext4 should have been ok or btrfs | 23:07 |
Chaz6 | How about UDF? | 23:08 |
stephg | prob not I'd have thought | 23:08 |
stephg | afaik udf isn't supported | 23:09 |
viq | stephg: yeah, first attempt was half hearted untill I realised it was exfat, right after that tried ext4 but didn't know where to look whether it mounted, formatted to btrfs and know where to look, chowned on laptop the FS to myself, transferred files, put CD in phone, don't see it | 23:09 |
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stephg | viq so there's a known issue with the automounter not recognising things it should | 23:09 |
stephg | I think that affects ext4/btrfs | 23:10 |
stephg | first step if it's ext4 is to try to mount it by hand | 23:10 |
viq | So just what I tried :D | 23:10 |
viq | which requires enabling developer mode ;) | 23:10 |
stephg | yesh | 23:10 |
stephg | so developer mode is safe provided you don't do anything stupid :) | 23:11 |
viq | right, no running away from that then | 23:11 |
viq | noone would ever do anything stupid, would they? ;) | 23:11 |
stephg | if you trust yourself with your device, I trust you with your device ;) | 23:12 |
viq | :D | 23:12 |
viq | Notice first thing I asked about was backup ;) | 23:12 |
stephg | but seriously it comes with the caveat that if you do mess it up and you're not in .fi recovery may be expensive | 23:12 |
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ggabriel | viq: fwiw, a backup at this point is probably a lot riskier than dev mode | 23:12 |
ggabriel | a "proper" backup | 23:13 |
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viq | Now that's reassuring :D | 23:13 |
ggabriel | you basically have to boot the device in a special mode, dd all the partitions, and then you can kind of reflash it if you break something | 23:13 |
stephg | tbh tinkering on the commandline or via ssh will be ok, it's messing around with automounting things (in your case) that is the real danger | 23:13 |
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ggabriel | +1 stephg | 23:13 |
* viq nods | 23:14 | |
viq | "allow developer updates" - what's that? | 23:14 |
ggabriel | viq: don't enable that :) | 23:14 |
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ggabriel | (there's a known bug and it breaks packagekit or osmething or other) | 23:15 |
viq | :D | 23:15 |
viq | Ah, ok | 23:15 |
viq | ...I wonder if anyone tried installing saltstack on jolla | 23:16 |
viq | Most of it seems to be python anyway, or at least I got such a feeling from what little I read | 23:16 |
stephg | you an admin viq? | 23:17 |
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viq | stephg: aye | 23:18 |
viq | yay, it accepts ssh keys! | 23:18 |
stephg | yep, it does :) | 23:18 |
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stephg | basically if you know what you're doing tinker all you want, you'll only run into trouble if you try to do clever things with the automounter or fstab | 23:19 |
stephg | or anything that any of the boot time stuff won't be happy with | 23:19 |
viq | devel-su, was it? | 23:19 |
stephg | yep | 23:20 |
stephg | no sudo, no su | 23:20 |
stephg | password for devel-su will be whatever you set/was randomly set in the UX in settings>developer-mode | 23:20 |
* viq nods | 23:20 | |
viq | so... what's the recommended way to go about (auto)mounting that sdcard? systemd? | 23:21 |
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stephg | you ever going to take the card out? | 23:22 |
viq | Hm | 23:22 |
viq | Probably not, but I don't want to have a hosed system if I do | 23:23 |
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stephg | I'd avoid anything automatic as (hopefully) support for automounting things that aren't FAT should come | 23:23 |
viq | mhmm | 23:24 |
stephg | mean time a quick script would be easy enough | 23:24 |
viq | huh | 23:24 |
viq | mount -t btrfs /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ | 23:24 |
viq | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk1p1, | 23:24 |
stephg | hm | 23:24 |
viq | journalctl -af, took the card out and put it back in and nothing appears | 23:26 |
ggabriel | viq: blkio /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 23:26 |
ggabriel | (to see what linux thinks it is...) | 23:26 |
stephg | was going to suggest just that | 23:26 |
stephg | or blkid /that/device | 23:26 |
viq | /dev/mmcblk1p1: LABEL="SD64" UUID="de593bc0-0271-4ab6-86fb-c408fa4840b5" UUID_SUB="58315f59-5a1e-42be-be1d-93f2a4642695" TYPE="btrfs" | 23:28 |
stephg | hm | 23:28 |
ggabriel | that's super weird | 23:28 |
ggabriel | viq: is there anything in that file system? | 23:29 |
viq | yes, I dumped some music on there | 23:30 |
viq | not that I care about it, if that's what you're asking | 23:30 |
ggabriel | and what did you use ot format it? | 23:30 |
ggabriel | kernel version in particular | 23:30 |
stephg | can you mount it in your comptuer? | 23:30 |
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viq | mkfs.btrfs on arch | 23:30 |
viq | yes, that's where I copied the data | 23:30 |
ggabriel | kernel >3.4, right? | 23:30 |
viq | 3.12.5-1-ARCH | 23:30 |
ggabriel | yeah... | 23:30 |
ggabriel | maybe try to format it from sailfish | 23:30 |
ggabriel | btrfs if still experimental, the format may have changed | 23:31 |
viq | ook | 23:31 |
ggabriel | but if you do that, you have to then test that it works back in your computer (assuming that you are interested in that use case) | 23:31 |
ggabriel | backwards compat is easier than fwd compat | 23:31 |
ggabriel | if not, ext4 is your friend | 23:31 |
ggabriel | it doesn't have fancy ssd features, but you can't have everything :) | 23:31 |
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viq | formatting on jolla, will see if computer mounts | 23:32 |
viq | what is the "yo, gimme that package, bitch!" command on jolla? | 23:32 |
ggabriel | lol | 23:32 |
ggabriel | pkcon | 23:32 |
stephg | right I'm going to bed | 23:33 |
viq | it does search too? | 23:33 |
stephg | yep | 23:33 |
viq | stephg: sleep well | 23:33 |
ggabriel | pkcon search name [name of something] | 23:33 |
stephg | g'night guys | 23:33 |
ggabriel | night stephg | 23:33 |
stephg | see you tomorrow! | 23:33 |
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viq | ah, formatted on jolla was able to mount it | 23:34 |
ggabriel | i'd give it a little test | 23:34 |
ggabriel | like don't copy anything that you haven't got a backup of | 23:34 |
ggabriel | mine is btrfs too | 23:34 |
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ggabriel | but has nothing as i'm still playing :P | 23:34 |
viq | yeah | 23:34 |
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viq | Mostly it's media dump, music and a buffer for podcasts ;) | 23:35 |
viq | booo, there's no tmux package :P | 23:35 |
ggabriel | screen | 23:35 |
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ggabriel | there isn't mercurial either | 23:35 |
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viq | Yeah, I know screen, but I grew to like tmux better ;) | 23:36 |
ggabriel | same here | 23:37 |
ggabriel | i don't know why i prefer tmux | 23:37 |
ggabriel | maybe control+b is easier than control+a | 23:37 |
Chaz6 | tmux++ | 23:37 |
ggabriel | oh, i know why | 23:37 |
AL13N_lizzy | huh, now that i think about it | 23:38 |
ggabriel | tmux doesn't want control+ the second character | 23:38 |
ggabriel | s/the/after the/ | 23:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | if i have a SD card, i should format it so that i can have a btrfs equal to the size of internal memory so i can balance it and have an SD backup :-) | 23:38 |
viq | /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user 0 0 | 23:38 |
viq | this looks OK | 23:38 |
viq | ? | 23:38 |
AL13N_lizzy | i should've thought of that :-) | 23:38 |
ggabriel | viq: that in /etc/fstab? | 23:39 |
viq | ggabriel: for me it's the status bar, and ease of splitting | 23:39 |
viq | ggabriel: yes | 23:39 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: the emmc doesn't fit in a 16gb one ;-) | 23:39 |
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AL13N_lizzy | isn't the mmc 16GB? | 23:39 |
ggabriel | viq: just be aware that somebody lost access to their device by modifying the fstab | 23:39 |
ggabriel | i don't know what that somebody did though | 23:39 |
ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yeah, but i tried it :P | 23:39 |
ggabriel | albeit in ext4, not btrfs | 23:39 |
AL13N_lizzy | it's systemd, i would add nofail option | 23:40 |
viq | ggabriel: I think I heard, that's why I'm asking if the line looks OK ;) | 23:40 |
ggabriel | well, i tried to dd every partition | 23:40 |
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AL13N_lizzy | if you change fstab, add nofail option | 23:40 |
ggabriel | viq: i didn't add it to fstab myself | 23:40 |
AL13N_lizzy | or if it's missing on boot, it will stop booting | 23:40 |
AL13N_lizzy | *nofail* is ancient, allthough systemd is the first one to actually honor the option | 23:40 |
viq | ggabriel: I don't want to devel-su to mount it every time. Also, with that permissions are wrong... | 23:40 |
ggabriel | i'd follow AL13N_lizzy's advice | 23:41 |
ggabriel | in fairness, you can always test it | 23:41 |
ggabriel | before booting, that is | 23:41 |
AL13N_lizzy | if there's no *nofail* it will need to be booted in the kernel stage, and if the driver isn't in kernel stage, but later, you're fucked | 23:41 |
viq | /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user,nofail 0 0 | 23:42 |
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AL13N_lizzy | perhaps the other user made a typo which invalidated the subsequent lines and thus didn't boot (or something) | 23:42 |
viq | eh, and will have to deal with the ages old problem of different uids... | 23:42 |
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ggabriel | viq: you mean you haven't connected the jolla to your ldap yet? ;-) | 23:44 |
AL13N_lizzy | also, iinm the option is "user=$UID" or "users" but check man pages | 23:44 |
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viq | :D | 23:44 |
AL13N_lizzy | anyway, night all, and happy debricking :-) | 23:44 |
viq | AL13N_lizzy: I thought that was for FAT and such | 23:44 |
viq | night | 23:44 |
AL13N_lizzy | viq, yes | 23:45 |
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AL13N_lizzy | i don't see why you would use "user" | 23:45 |
AL13N_lizzy | "users" i get | 23:45 |
AL13N_lizzy | users should mean users are allowed to mount | 23:45 |
AL13N_lizzy | user is for changing permissions | 23:46 |
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AL13N_lizzy | IINM | 23:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | but yeah | 23:46 |
AL13N_lizzy | bed it is | 23:46 |
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viq | Thanks guys for giving me an example to follow, I should do that too ;) | 23:46 |
* viq ejects | 23:47 | |
viq | Thanks for help :) | 23:47 |
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prometoys | am I wrong or is Instagram app not available in Yandex.store? | 23:57 |
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