#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2013-12-26

nanderI use the album cover of the album Darker Days, by Stream of Passion at the moment00:00
chem|stggabriel: yes00:00
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chem|stit is bound to the tutorial?00:00
ggabrielchem|st: that's why00:00
chem|stwhy are so many things coupled with BS?00:00
ggabrielStskeeps explained that when you uninstall the tutorial, tracker goes away too and goodbye everything00:00
ggabrieli still have them00:01
ggabrielbut kept the tutorial00:01
chem|standroid support is coupled with yandex...00:01
ggabrielyou're asking the wrong person :)00:01
chem|stwhat is the tutorial called in repos?00:01
ggabrielobviously tutorial related to ambience is a bug00:01
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ggabrielchem|st: i've no idea... the best workaround apparently is to reset to factory settings00:01
ggabrielnot sure whether somebody else has a better solution00:02
pcfeWTF made the dependencies for that package00:02
pcfe*sigh*00:02
chem|stpcfe: o/00:02
ggabrielit's a bug (spoken like admiral ackhbar)00:02
ggabrielbtw, anybody bumped into this?00:02
ggabriel# ssu ar mer-tools00:02
ggabriel[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist00:02
nanderAny Dr Who fans here?00:02
ggabriel"00:02
pcfepsssst, do NOT spoil it, have not seen it yet00:03
KabouikOk so indeed, I have write privileges in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard (though Filezilla returns errors when it has to create new files, but finally succeeds). Still some questions though: if I do "Pictures", "Music" and "Videos" folders in here, will Sailfish native apps pick files in the sdcard too? Should I do simlinks (and if so, how?)?00:03
petantikooooo ... i forgot all about it!00:03
nanderSpoilers, Darth Vader appears in it ;)00:05
pcfenander: lol00:05
nanderA certain site with a logo almost, but not entirely unlike the kind of vehicle jolla's name is based on has it available ;)00:06
FireFly:P00:06
pcfehmm, rpm -q --requires jolla-preload-ambiences comes up as expected, so it's not the deps. What's the name of the tutorial? (it's not an rpm with tutorial in it's name)00:06
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FireFlyOh, I noticed the uninstalling-yandex-takes-dalvik-with-it thing had another downside.. it seemed to reset android apps' settings too00:08
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FireFlyI should report that on together..00:08
chem|stggabriel: is it jolla-startupwizard? as it is not installed anymore00:10
ggabrielchem|st: i have no clue... i'm telling you what i read here a couple of days ago00:10
pcfejolla-startupwizard-0.0.66-10.12.1.jolla.armv7hl it is00:10
pcfechem|st: ^00:11
Turskiggabriel: reset to factory settings is not solution for anything!00:11
ggabrielTurski: don't shoot the messenger ;-)00:12
ggabrielit's a bug tho, so they'll fix it00:12
Turskiggabriel: the device has to be overly fscked up if you need reset...00:12
AL13N_lizzyugh that together search is not that great... even i made a possible duplicate :-S00:12
Turskiand if you need factory reset, the device is so fscked up that you can't do a factory reset00:12
chem|stpcfe: yeah found it... depends on tracker-utils... that might be the reason why some stuff gets lost...00:12
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: agree, you can't put spaces (or is that just me?)00:12
FireFlyAL13N_lizzy: it's not terribly good indeed00:12
Turskiif the device is alive, it's fixable00:13
pcfechem|st: yeah, with a broken tracker it's bound to act weird00:13
FireFlyit also doesn't seem to do substring matching, only complete words00:13
ggabrielTurski: yeah, you need to reconfigure tracker tho00:13
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: i noted spaces, but that's because you press ENTER instead of click the button :-S00:13
FireFlylike, "andro" gives no hits, but "android" gives two00:13
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: THANKS00:13
AL13N_lizzyi also noted that a wiki post, isn't really a wiki post at all00:13
Turskiah, native whatsapp <300:14
AL13N_lizzybetter to remove it, i don't think in this form it serves any purpose00:14
AL13N_lizzyif it made a real wiki-like post (no comments, no answers) then it would be usable00:15
KabouikIs there an easy way to know space available on sd from the Jolla? "About the product" in settings is only for the internal memory00:15
SpeedEvildf00:17
* SpeedEvil needs to get a SD.00:17
KabouikThanks00:17
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FireFlyAL13N_lizzy: "community wiki" mirrors how it works on StackOverflow, and it's more about having an answer be freely editable by anyone rather than "owned" by one user00:17
KabouikNo disk space GUI yet so00:17
FireFlyThere's plenty of things I'd change before that one, on Together.. :p00:18
KabouikUnfortunately df does not seem to give info on my SD card, I see no /run/user/blahblah nor /dev/mmcblk1p100:18
FireFlyKabouik: works for me00:19
FireFlyyou might want  df -h  (for human-readable sizes)00:19
KabouikWhat does it show exactly for the sd?00:19
FireFly/dev/mmcblk1p1    487M  487M   0   100%  /run/user/1000000/media/sdcard00:20
FireFlyapprox.00:20
KabouikHum, weir00:20
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Kabouikd00:20
FireFlyIs the SD card mounted/can you interact with it from other apps? what filesystem did you partition it with?00:20
KabouikI have no /dev/mmcblk1p1, but it seems to be there since I'm currently transfering files to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard00:20
FireFlyHum, weird00:21
FireFlydf ought to show all mountpoints...00:21
KabouikI think it's mounted since I'm transfering (or it transfers to internal memory if I paste anything into /run/user/blahblah while the card is not mounted?), don't know yet if I can interact, it was empty till now, it's partitionned to ext400:21
FireFlyIf you're unlucky, you're coping files to the *folder* rather than the SD card.. :P00:21
KabouikAnd so the folder would be internal memory without mounted sd?00:22
FireFlydoes `mount` show mmcblk1p1?00:22
FireFlyRight00:22
KabouikArg, mount is unreadable00:22
KabouikGive me time to see it clearly :P00:22
FireFlyoh, right00:23
ggabrielKabouik: do you have a /dev/mmcblk1?00:23
KabouikNo /dev/mmcblk1p1 in mount00:23
FireFly`findmnt` gets you a nicer tree00:23
KabouikI guess I just forgot to mount it after last reboot... Since ext4 does not mount automatically :/00:23
parasemicWhy isn't there a link to the wazapp (mitakuuluu) alpha version anywhere in the chatlog?????00:23
FireFlyYeah, probably00:23
KabouikWeridly, when I df -h again, internal memory of the phone still show the same thing... But I transfered a lot of files in the mean time00:24
TurskiKabouik: edit your mount-sd.sh and it will mount automatically00:24
raa70parasemic: tinyurl.com/mitakuuluusf00:24
KabouikI should mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard, right?00:25
parasemicraa70, i mean, i have installed it but i was wondering if you guys have missed the fact its released :p (im drunk)00:25
KabouikWhere is it Turski?00:25
TurskiKabouik: /usr/sbin IIRC00:25
KabouikFirst lines say00:26
Kabouik#!/bin/bash00:26
KabouikSDCARD=/dev/sdcard00:26
KabouikIs that normal? Never saw that path, just /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /run/user/100000/etc.00:26
TurskiKabouik: delete conficlting mount options00:27
AardKabouik: it's a symlink to the proper device00:27
TurskiKabouik: that script is called by systemd on boot and by udev on sd-card insert00:27
KabouikI have no idea how to edit that file. Or well, I do have, but I'm not expert enough and won't try some edits by myself if it may root the device :[00:27
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TurskiKabouik: ok, don't edit it then00:28
KabouikBut if you have any advice... :O00:28
TurskiKabouik: i don't want to give advice to do something you don't know what it is00:28
KabouikNo worries Turski, i know where the line is00:28
TurskiKabouik: read that http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount00:29
KabouikI prefer having advice and chosing whether I'm capable or not, rather than not knowing00:29
TurskiKabouik: read that man page and you know what to do00:29
KabouikBut I see no conflicts in mount-sd.sh00:30
Turskiisn't there uid= and gid=?00:30
KabouikYes00:30
Turskithose are not mentioned under ext4 mount options and that's why the mount fail00:30
HtheBugh00:30
TurskiKabouik: got it?00:31
KabouikNot really, I see absolutely no mention of "ext4" in the file, so I don't know where I should edit it00:31
Kabouik(Or any other filesystem)00:31
TurskiKabouik: ok, don't edit it then00:31
KabouikHaha00:32
chem|stpcfe: all there ty00:32
KabouikI like how you just assessed my level Turski :P00:32
Turski:)00:32
Kabouikhttp://pastebin.com/METtTaUZ Here's what I have00:34
Turskii've been using linux as my main OS for 8 or 9 years so it just looks quite obvious to me ;)00:34
Turskibut that's not a thing that needs much experience about linux00:35
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Turskiyou should first check journal after inserting the card00:36
KabouikNow for christmas, I'd like to see that in IRC: "<Turski> http://pastebin.com/xxxxxxx Here's what you should have Kabouik." :D00:36
Kabouik:>00:36
TurskiKabouik: i don't want to say that before i've found the best mount options myself, i just don't yet have a sdcard00:36
Kabouik:'<00:37
TurskiKabouik: but ok, just remove everything from -o to the end of the line00:37
Turskiline 18: mount $SDCARD $MNT00:37
Turskithat at least mounts it00:37
Turskibut it will fail with FAT cards' permissions00:38
KabouikSo it will automatically mount to /run/user/something then? And there's a symlink in /dev/sdcard too, right, so I can past files in there too?00:38
merlin1991I need someone who already made a call with his / her jolla, I'm working on a call history import, but I can't tell from the ui if it's correct00:38
Turskiand you might not be able to create directories on top level of sdcard as user00:38
KabouikI'm gonna do a mount-sd.sh.backforFATcards00:38
Kabouikpaste*00:38
merlin1991the question is how a number is displayed when you make a call, does it have an arrow or not?00:38
TurskiKabouik: /dev/sdcard is symlink to /dev/mmcblk1p000:39
TurskiKabouik: you could also add logic for detecting filetype to that script, but it's another story00:39
Turskithat could be done with blkid00:39
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KabouikSo if I edit line 18, then I may not be able to create Music/Videos/Pictures folders. Will the Sailfish apps find the files they are supposed to handle?00:40
TurskiKabouik: i have no idea how sailfish apps handle the card00:41
TurskiKabouik: i will get my card in two weeks00:41
TurskiKabouik: btw, how have you been mounting the sdcard now?00:41
Turski(or have you?)00:42
Kabouikmount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard00:42
KabouikBut I've not rebooted in a while, to be honest I was told the command here and just used the history in Fingerterm to do it again00:42
Turskiwhy the hell there is -o ?00:43
Turskilet me guess, you have no idea?00:43
KabouikPerhaps it was /mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /home/nemo/sdcard? Don't remember actually00:43
Turskino it wasn't00:43
KabouikYou're right.00:43
Turski-o just does nothing there00:43
Turski;)00:44
HtheBCan anybody help me with something?00:44
SpeedEvilHtheB: probably not.00:44
KabouikBut I was told the command by someone here that seemed to know what he was saying, and I am careful and don't run dangerous stuff00:44
SpeedEvilBut ask anyway.00:44
Turskibut if that mount works fine, then you will have no problem with removing -o * from line 1800:44
KabouikBut I really want to take advantage of those 64 GB, so I had to ask here00:44
TurskiKabouik: so i'm 69.4% sure it will work fine if you just edit the line 18 as told00:45
KabouikSo I remove "-o [...]" till end of the line right? "-o" included?00:45
HtheB any idea how we can make symlinks work?00:45
TurskiKabouik: yes00:45
TurskiKabouik: -o doesn't do anything if you don't give any mount options00:45
KabouikAnyway I have the .back file, and the pastebin if something goes wrong. The file should just be for the sdcard so not too riskyI guess00:46
KabouikSee? I try to be cautious at least :P00:46
TurskiKabouik: that's good00:46
TurskiKabouik: go ahead00:46
KabouikLet's try to reboot the device and see what happens npw00:47
Kabouiknow00:47
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KabouikNot rebooted yet, but I just did another df -h00:48
AL13N_lizzybtw: isn't sdcard mounted already someplace?00:48
KabouikMy Filezilla transfer is over. It transfered over 40 GB of files (so it can only be on the SD card). The files are actually there, but df -h still show nothing that could be the sd card00:48
AL13N_lizzywouldn't it be easier to bind mount it to the locations where alien-dalvik has access to?00:48
TurskiKabouik: paste full output of df -h00:49
AL13N_lizzymount --bind /sdcard /home/nemo/sdcard ?00:49
AL13N_lizzyor something00:49
Kabouik[root@localhost sbin]# df -h00:49
KabouikFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on00:49
Kabouikrootfs                 14G  6.6G  6.7G  50% /00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p28        14G  6.6G  6.7G  50% /00:49
Kabouikdevtmpfs              406M   64K  406M   1% /dev00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M   88K  407M   1% /dev/shm00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M  407M  4.0K 100% /run00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M     0  407M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M   16K  407M   1% /tmp00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p19       8.0M  4.1M  3.9M  52% /drm00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p25       8.0M  4.2M  3.8M  54% /persist00:49
AL13N_lizzyKabouik: pastebin plz00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p18        64M   45M   20M  70% /firmware00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p9         48M  7.0M   41M  15% /var/systemlog00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p28        14G  6.6G  6.7G  50% /swap00:49
Turskikelvan: pastebin...00:49
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk0p28        14G  6.6G  6.7G  50% /home00:49
TurskiKabouik: ^00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M     0  407M   0% /mnt/asec00:49
Kabouiktmpfs                 407M     0  407M   0% /mnt/obb00:49
HtheBtoo late :)00:49
KabouikYes sorry, I underestimated the size of the pasted text00:49
KabouikToo late now, sorry00:49
FireFly(You could've /part'ed to save us from some of it :p)00:50
KabouikI just underestimated it, sorry, I didn't want to bother people :"<00:50
AL13N_lizzyKabouik: you know, more than 3 lines is pushing it...00:50
FireFlyAnyway, wouldn't it've been faster to just copy directly to SD card via an SD card reader?00:50
KabouikNow I feel guilty and might end up hanging myself with my Jolla USB cable.00:50
AL13N_lizzyKabouik: is it long enough?00:51
KabouikThe Jolla is my only card reader FireFly00:51
FireFlyOh00:51
FireFlyAL13N_lizzy: is it longer than three lies?00:51
FireFlylines*00:51
AL13N_lizzybtw, i'd be interested in how good the card reader is00:51
HtheBKabouik: no digital camera/n900/old phone/old sdcard reader00:51
HtheB?00:51
KabouikIf I tie it tight enough, it should be long enough AL13N_lizzy00:51
TurskiKabouik: that's weird00:51
AL13N_lizzylol00:51
merlin1991SpeedEvil: you got your jolla right?00:52
SpeedEvilIndeed.00:52
AL13N_lizzy:-(00:52
KabouikNo digital SD-card camera, a N900 (but not here), a N9, and a sd card reader than never detected the µSD00:52
merlin1991then please check for me how an outbound call looks like in the call history :)00:52
KabouikAnd no Linux distribution available at the moment00:52
* AL13N_lizzy has no jolla yet00:52
KabouikIt sure seems to be Turski00:53
HtheBDoes anyone else tried out DOSBOX on Jolla?00:53
chem|stmerlin1991: thought you have your jolla?00:53
AL13N_lizzy"And no Linux distribution available at the moment" <--- FATAL error :-)00:53
HtheBI couldn't mount an image :(00:53
HtheBkeeps saying that it cant find it00:53
merlin1991chem|st: yeah but no sim inside, so I don't know if my history import code works correct00:53
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: No SIM ATM00:53
chem|stmerlin1991: what do you need?00:53
TurskiKabouik: how about /etc/mtab?00:53
merlin1991chem|st: how does an outbound call look like in the dialer history, arrow or now arrow?00:53
merlin1991s/now/no/00:54
AL13N_lizzyi will be cutting my SIM when i get jolla (SIM without data, so interesting to see how it will cope)00:54
chem|stmerlin1991: where is the call history?00:54
TurskiKabouik: or df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?00:54
merlin1991chem|st: when you open the phone app it should be right there00:55
Kabouikhttp://pastebin.com/rBDnhrtm /etc/mtab here Turski00:55
KabouikAnd df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 returns the following:00:55
chem|stah that arrow you mean00:55
KabouikFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on00:56
Kabouikdevtmpfs              406M   64K  406M   1% /dev00:56
TurskiKabouik: ls -l /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?00:56
chem|stincoming has an arrow outgoing has no arrow, missed has a return-arrow00:56
merlin1991ah okay, then my code works00:56
Kabouikbrw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 33 Dec 25 01:00 /dev/mmcblk1p100:57
merlin1991but the call mergin heuristics are not as good as on the n900:57
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TurskiKabouik: you just don't seem to have it mounted... O_o00:57
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Kabouikfdisk -l does find the SD card, and says that it's 63.4 GB.00:58
Turskii'm just wonderin where you copied your failes00:58
Turski/dev/null? :D00:58
KabouikBut when I use Sailfish's filemanager directly on the Jolla, browse to /run/user/stuff, I can see the 40 GB music files I've just transfered through sftp00:58
KabouikReally weird00:58
KabouikAnd 40 GB could not have been pasted to internal memory00:59
Turski/dev/null has plenty of space... :P00:59
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KabouikSo let's retry after a reboot, it'll tell me if the sd automounts now01:00
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KabouikWill be useful already to know that :p01:00
chem|stKabouik: if it is vfat it does...01:00
KabouikIt isn't01:00
KabouikI had to change the filesystem using the Jolla (no other card reader here), and there is no mkfs vfat in there, so I used mkfs ext301:01
chem|stKabouik: what fs are you trying?01:01
Kabouikext4* sorry01:01
Turskichem|st: mount-sd.sh is modified, so it should mount automatically01:01
chem|stKabouik: that will not mount... ext4 is unknown to the system at the time the script is triggered afair01:02
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chem|stor are we beyond that problem yet?01:02
M4rtinKchem|st: nope01:02
M4rtinKchem|st: yeah, IIRC -o is just an invalid option for EXT, btrfs & co01:03
M4rtinKnope = ext4 is known01:03
Turskichem|st: ext4 is perfectly known to the system01:03
chem|stthat simple? didn't bother to have a look after it yet01:03
M4rtinKI'll dump the mount script I'm using with my EXT4 card01:03
TurskiM4rtinK: just remove -o ... from mount-sd.sh?01:04
KabouikTurski01:04
TurskiKabouik01:04
KabouikTurski01:04
Kabouik!01:04
Turski!01:04
KabouikGreat news: df -h now shows /dev/mmcblk1p101:04
Turski(i think it works)01:04
KabouikAnd the size reported seems normal :P01:04
Kabouik/dev/mmcblk1p1         59G 1022M   55G   2% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard01:04
Turskiand it mount s automatically?01:04
M4rtinKchem|st: http://fpaste.org/64306/01:05
M4rtinKthat one should be already in a pull request to Nemo somewhere01:05
M4rtinKaccording to one of the Jolla guys01:05
KabouikHowever Turski, as you reckoned it, I can't create folders in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard through sftp01:06
KabouikShould I use the mount-sd.sh M4rtinK just shared?01:06
TurskiKabouik: script that M4rtinK pasted looks good01:06
Turskii would just have done it a bit differently01:07
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Turskiand i would have that chown in filesystem, not in mount script...01:07
M4rtinKit should work both with vfat & EXT4, btrfs, etc.01:07
Turskiyes01:07
KabouikHmm, nano has no paste option01:10
KabouikOnly for text copied from nano01:10
KabouikNot from pastebin :o01:10
KabouikOh ok, just right click. My bad.01:10
TurskiKabouik: terminal is the application that does pasting01:10
KabouikYes but with Putty ssh I had no menu bar and did not remember how to paste01:11
KabouikI remembered ctrl+shift+c for copying though, from my old Linux memories :p01:11
KabouikLet's reboot again and AFK 5 min01:12
KabouikNo mention of the sdcard in df -h with M4rtinK's mount-sd/sh, weird01:16
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Kabouik.sh*01:18
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M4rtinKKabouik: looks like this in df -h01:31
M4rtinK/dev/mmcblk1p1         59G   22G   35G  39% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard01:31
KabouikDid not work for me. There was an empty line after the last "fi" in your file, I did not paste it in the mount-sd.sh I created from yours01:33
KabouikIs there any chance it could have some consequences?01:33
M4rtinKKabouik: also you can try to check the Journal for errors01:33
M4rtinKjournalctl -b | grep mount-sd.sh01:33
M4rtinKor01:33
M4rtinKjournalctl -b | grep mmc01:33
M4rtinKneeds to be done as root as normal user IIRC does not see the relevant messages01:33
M4rtinKKabouik: not really sure01:33
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KabouikHumm now that's really weird. As it did not work with your file, I reverted to the default file with the edit advice from Turski... And I saw no card in df -h (it previously worked) and no /media folder in /run/user/100000. OK, so I created /media and /sdcard. Rebooted. Still no card in df -h with Turski's modified file (but it worked the first time)01:35
Kabouikjournalctl -b | grep mmc returns nothing M4rtinK, grep mount-sd.sh returns http://pastebin.com/jyhVSNvX01:37
Kabouik(It's the mount-sd.sh from Turski here)01:37
KabouikPerhaps I should just chown something on the file?01:37
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TurskiKabouik: ls -l /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh01:46
Kabouik-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1042 Dec 26 02:39 /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh01:46
TurskiKabouik: chmod +x /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh01:46
TurskiKabouik: you deleted and re-created the mount-sd.sh script?01:46
KabouikYes, I was typing it when you just highlighted me01:46
TurskiKabouik: you didn't make it executable ;)01:47
KabouikSo I changed the script back to M4rtinK version, with chmod +x it should work as expected now01:47
KabouikThanks a lot to both of you guys :)01:47
Turskinp01:48
Kabouikdf -h -> mmcblk1p1 is here01:48
Turski:)01:48
Turskisleep time now... good night01:49
Turski( it's soon 4:00 )01:49
KabouikGood night, 2:50 here!01:50
KabouikLet's copy some 60-ish GB in that fracking card :P01:50
KabouikI've created a Music folder, we'll see if Media app likes it01:50
KabouikTransfer is still ongoing, but Media app definitely sees some files I'm transfering, so "Music" folder at SD root = working01:51
Turskigood to know01:53
KabouikI've not tried with files directly at SD root though, but it would be a mess anyway so I prefer it with Music folder01:54
KabouikThe files play correctly01:54
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HtheB:(02:03
HtheBI hate my life02:05
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HtheBcouldn't get it to work :( stupid dosbox02:09
HtheBgood night all02:09
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M4rtinKyeah, I can confirm music on the SD card works just fine :)02:23
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M4rtinKjust watch for tracker, might take some time to index it all02:23
KabouikAnyway given how messed up some of my music file tags are, the results in Media app is just crap02:24
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KabouikA lot of my music is properly tagged, but in 50 GB, only a small portion of badly tagged files is enough to make the Media app a total mess :<02:25
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KabouikDoes anyone know if there is some mplayer work for Sailfish? Gstreamer just fails reading a lot of my video files02:27
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SpeedEvil./a.out04:04
SpeedEvilHello world[nemo@localhost ~]$04:04
SpeedEvil:)04:04
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fk_lxI've just received "guru" badge on Together. Does it mean I'm finally allowed to start my own sect?09:14
Stskeepsabout damn time09:14
fk_lx;-)09:15
* pettter hands fk_lx a "Pope" card09:17
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fk_lxhehe :-)09:18
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Jopesssminky pinky09:22
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AL13N_lizzypettter: haha, but... we're all popes...09:42
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AL13N_lizzyDiscordian Pope that is09:42
AL13N_lizzyis it me, or is the IRC channel more silent since the together thing?09:43
Stskeepsmight be09:44
Stskeepsin practice it means that more focused conversations could happen here, for example09:44
Stskeepsstemming from together.*09:45
Stskeepsbut09:45
Stskeepsit's also xxmas09:45
Stskeeps:P09:45
Stskeepser, xmas09:45
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HarhaanJohtajaxxxmas09:46
FryeHmm, is this known. I had notification screen open and it did not close. Then I clicked the twitter icon from there and now I have twitter on top of everything and no way to get to home screen or close it.09:47
StskeepsFrye: do you have a lock code?09:48
FryeYes, I just opened it before this happened09:48
FryeSo doubletap-> enter lock code-> go to notification screen and there I am.09:49
Stskeepsphoto + together.* bug?09:49
Nicd-AL13N_lizzy: also it's christmas09:49
FryeI'll try to get that. Got tons of visitors around09:49
FryeI'm sure it'll happen again. This is second or third time I have it09:49
FryeBut there's really not much to photograph. Twitter feed which shows the clock & wlan & bt icons _very_ dim on background09:50
FryeSo I'm pretty sure those are not visible in the photo.09:50
FryeAnyway back to kitchen...09:51
Nicd-Frye: use a screenshot app?09:52
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: wasn't that yesterday?09:55
AL13N_lizzybbiab09:55
FryeNicd-, Problem is the phone is stuck in twitter.09:56
Fryebut no time to debug now =(09:56
Nicd-AL13N_lizzy: it's boxing day today (also called second christmas day)09:56
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Nicd-Frye: ah09:56
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krandomis there any guide on how to use extra repos on jolla?09:58
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jake9xxkrandom: ssu ar "name" "url"10:12
jake9xxthen do pkcon refresh10:12
krandomthanks. now, is there a list of community repos somewhere?10:13
jake9xxall public repos on merproject.org are somewhat safe to be used10:13
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jake9xxwe even embed mer-tools in our config but it is not enabled. to get it say ssu ar mer-tools10:15
atlazhttp://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1526249_10152068653114286_86062996_n.jpg bah. I tought i would be ready already. Still ALOT of work to do10:16
krandomjake9xx, thanks for the info10:18
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AL13N_lizzyatlaz: is that a TOH? :-)10:22
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thessyanyone tested already 'osmand~' from fdroid in jolla? i'm quite impressed, osm cards, offline navigation...11:41
thessydoes voice navigation work for anyone?11:44
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pcfeah, my journal has rotated, how do I output entries from before the rotation (I'm wondering why my tohd.service is running again even though I did a sysctl disable and a stop yesterdy, but http://fpaste.org/64359/)12:07
pcfeoh, RuntimeMaxUse=1M and Storage=volatile, guess I wwill not be looking at past logs12:13
pcfes/ww/w/12:13
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Pnuupcfe: sysctl mask tohd.service12:16
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pcfePnuu: yeah, I was looking because I was wondering about mask (not used before) and (disable), seems mask is indeed needed. I was kinda sorta expecting that since I did not remove TOH (and thus did not trigger the switch) that mask would not be needed12:18
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Pnuupcfe: someone (Stskeeps?) said that disable'd processes can still be started by other sysctl stuff12:20
spider-marioyes12:21
spider-mariobut appearently, masking tohd.service can brick the phone12:21
spider-marioso I’d just stop it manually for now12:21
pcfePnuu: yes (mask will link these units to /dev/null). The question I am curious about if what calls it if not the TOH change detet switch12:22
pcfes/if what/is what/12:22
Pnuuspider-mario: that seems to be quite common idea, any source for that?12:23
spider-marioI’ll look for it12:23
Pnuuthat was also said at t.j.c12:23
Pnuubut someone commented, that the bricking wasn't related to tohd12:23
spider-mariohere, in french: http://jollafr.org/tutoriel-comment-desactiver-la-puce-nfc-du-jolla-pour-economiser-de-la-batterie/#comment-2385012:24
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Pnuuspider-mario: https://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/12:34
Pnuu"FWIW, the brick was unrelated to this." - stskeeps12:34
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covoxstupid question, but does the brightness slider actually do anything?14:21
SpeedEvilA tiny amount14:22
Nicd-covox: not if you have auto brightness set14:22
SpeedEvilNeeds a bug raised on together - it can get much dimmer under auto-brightness14:22
covoxI'm trying to use it in the dark14:23
covoxmy retinas hurt14:23
Quucovox: it does way more than what "automatic brightness" does14:24
covoxthe idle dimmer is much better14:24
covoxbut the slider has about 3% range14:25
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Quusomething like that14:27
macmaNSpeedEvil: brightness thing is already reported on TJO14:27
macmaNTJC14:27
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QuuFTN14:28
Nicd-love all these TLAs14:28
Chaz6TDSftw14:28
QuuPLSWTFM814:28
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Pnuutry working with satellies, and then come complaining about acronyms ;-D14:29
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KabouikOr Biology and Research in general D:14:29
macmaNTMO and TJC - the only things you need to know14:31
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Quuno idea what any of those mean.14:32
KabouikI guess TJC is together.jolla.com, seems useful by the way14:33
KabouikJust like TMO14:33
macmaNtalk maemo org, together jolla com ?14:33
Pnuuyup14:33
SpeedEvilmacmaN: ah14:42
AL13N_lizzyis there actually something useful at TMO?14:50
SpeedEvilAL13N_lizzy: yes.14:50
AL13N_lizzybtw: if anyone wants to see my pic: https://together.jolla.com/users/289/al13n/ :-)14:51
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, scattered.14:51
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: cute14:52
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/users/54/pnuu/14:53
Nicd-eww, I'm xenophobic14:53
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PnuuNicd-: hay, I don't look that alien!14:55
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Nicd-hehe14:57
ggabrielhi there15:03
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: i saw your pic before when i was following you :-)15:53
AL13N_lizzyiceman or something15:53
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: it was -34 or so when I went for a 1,5 h walk :-)15:54
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Pnuu(centigrade)15:56
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Morpogyay, wifi hotspot app: https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot/tree/master/RPMS16:06
AL13N_lizzyis it accepted yet? who wrote it?16:06
Morpoghttps://sremes.kapsi.fi/16:07
Nicd-"This app has not been yet submitted to Jolla Harbour, since it uses connman-qt5 library, which is not yet approved, and I have not bothered as of yet to include the library into this project."16:07
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SpeedEvilInfrastructure or ad-hoc>16:08
SpeedEvil?16:08
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ElleoSpeedEvil: looks like infrastructure mode16:20
Elleoseems to work nicely16:20
Nicd-I love the speed at which new apps are coming :)16:20
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SpeedEvilnice16:22
SpeedEvilJust need the fleshlight app approved in store.16:22
SpeedEvilErr - flashlight16:22
Nicd-hahaha16:22
Morpogyep infrastructure, my Nexus 7 cannot see it16:23
ElleoMorpog: that'd suggest adhoc mode then16:23
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Elleoit's adhoc that android devices can't connect to16:23
SpeedEvilIndeed.16:23
SpeedEvilGrr.16:23
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Morpogelleo, ok, then it's ad hoc :D16:24
SpeedEvil'No, you don't want ad-hoc. Even though you were using it just fine the last version and we diddn't tell you an upgrade would remove it'16:24
Elleonope, definitely infrastructure mode16:24
Elleomy nexus 7 can see and connect to it fine16:24
SpeedEvil:)16:24
Morpogelleo really?16:24
Elleoyep16:24
Morpogstock android?16:24
Elleoyep16:24
SpeedEvilElleo: assuming your nexus 7 is not the 2012 version and you never upgraded?16:24
Morpogi try again16:24
ElleoSpeedEvil: it's a brand new one, it was a christmas gift from a client16:25
Morpogaah, now my Nexus 7 can see it16:25
MorpogCool!16:25
Elleoexcellent :)16:25
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SpeedEvilNow, can someone implement: http://xkcd.com/416/16:26
Elleoheh16:27
AL13N_lizzyi would like to delete some answers which don't make sense at all... but it seems that isn't possible?16:27
ElleoAL13N_lizzy: AskBot (the software together is using) gradually gives you more power as you get more karma16:27
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: you just need more karma :-)16:27
ElleoAL13N_lizzy: so it might be that you just don't have enough to delete answers yet16:27
M4rtinKMOAR POWAR! :)16:28
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: i think you only need a little bit more of karma :)16:34
AL13N_lizzyit didn't say any limit when it denied it to me16:40
AL13N_lizzyanyway, is there anyone else who would like to clean this up?16:40
ggabrieloh, so you tried already16:40
ggabrielwhich question?16:40
AL13N_lizzyi can edit posts, so i didn't think it would be different16:41
ggabrielmaybe just downvote the answer?16:41
AL13N_lizzyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/206/landscape-mode/ <-- the last 2 answers are just not answers at all, they should be comments even though it's useless to say that.16:42
AL13N_lizzyalso, someone should really have duplicate link to the actual original post16:42
ggabrieli can't :)16:42
ggabrielmin 500 it says16:42
ggabrielbut you're 120% correct16:43
ggabriellink is in the first answer actually16:43
M4rtinKalso I think there should be separate "closed" and "duplicate" flags16:43
M4rtinKcurrently most closed questions are duplicates, but not all16:44
AL13N_lizzyi don't really care if duplicate is part of closed... as long as it actually link to the duplicate one16:45
AL13N_lizzythat is really annoying16:45
AL13N_lizzyalso the search is annoying16:46
AL13N_lizzyas in how it only works with complete words16:46
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: the "avoid enter to use spaces" solution you mentioned didn't work16:46
ggabrielwell, for me16:46
ggabrielmaybe no love for ff16:46
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AL13N_lizzyggabriel: yes, i'm using ff, if i press enter, i get all these %20 ones, but if i click next (or in drop down below) on the button, i get real spaces16:47
AL13N_lizzythough it doesn't search, that is only for new posts16:48
AL13N_lizzybtw: anyone want this too? https://together.jolla.com/question/2806/wardriving-app/16:48
AL13N_lizzyalso, anyone know what DC-HSDPA means? is this like 3G? https://together.jolla.com/question/2764/is-jolla-dc-hsdpa-compatible/16:48
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mcfriskwhich package provides ag-tool?16:51
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HarhaanJohtajadc-hspda is "4g" at least many operators say so if i remember correctly16:51
Pnuumcfrisk: I believe libaccounts-glib-tools16:53
PnuuHarhaanJohtaja: no16:53
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: dual-carrier 3G, so 3.5G16:53
mcfriskPnuu: libaccounts-glib-tools installed but I don't have ag-tool on my jolla16:54
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: iow: probably not16:56
AL13N_lizzyanyone also want NFS mount app? https://together.jolla.com/question/2819/nfs-mount-app/16:57
M4rtinKwould be useful :)16:58
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: good idea, and adding another one ;-)16:58
M4rtinKNFS v3 or v4 ? :)16:58
M4rtinKBTW, doe we also have a question for a Samba one ?16:58
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/2821/request-dlnaupnp-support/16:59
ggabrielM4rtinK: AL13N_lizzy included cifs support, which i think it's samba (isn't it?)16:59
ggabrielthis website makes me feel like a boy scout with all its badges17:00
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* ggabriel bbl - food17:00
Pnuubadges badges badges, oh no it's a downvote!17:00
AL13N_lizzylol17:01
AL13N_lizzywho cares... at some point we've helped alot, who cares if you are high or low17:01
M4rtinKggabriel: thanks :)17:01
AL13N_lizzyanyone likes to read manga? https://together.jolla.com/question/2823/native-mangawhat-app/17:01
M4rtinKwell, I'm kinda split on the split vs merge question17:01
M4rtinKas a regular Bugzilla user, I'm kinda more for splitting stuff to self contained questions17:02
M4rtinKwell, once I get modRana running, I plan to port my Mieru offline manga/comic book reader :)17:03
Pnuuggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/1039/sharing-dlna/17:03
M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7390717:03
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AL13N_lizzyM4rtinK: problem is that i've used MangaWhat and mark favorites, predownloaded from mangareader.net and such already17:05
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: https://together.jolla.com/question/976/nfs-access/17:07
M4rtinKwell, mine is offline only anyway17:07
M4rtinKat least for now :)17:07
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M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: BTW, on my Android tablet, I'm using Manga Watcher: http://www.manga-watcher.com/17:08
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M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: works really well, used to be in Play store but is self hosted since some dispute with Google17:09
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M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: in the usual scenario, Google is totally unreachable to solve the dispute :)17:10
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: actually, not a duplicate17:12
Pnuuisn't?17:13
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: NFS access is possible, i want an app for it17:13
AL13N_lizzythat's why i tagged it app-request17:13
AL13N_lizzyM4rtinK: business as usual17:14
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: ah, true!17:14
AL13N_lizzygonna reopen and try to edit and be more clear!17:14
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Pnuureopened already and removed my comment17:15
AL13N_lizzyok :-)17:16
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: i bolded "app"17:17
Pnuu:-)17:18
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Stskeepsgood evening17:21
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: after rereading, i didn't know how to make it clearer17:22
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: yo, how goes your holidays :-)17:22
Pnuuevening17:22
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: maybe something like "Although it is possible to use NFS from commandline, a NFS mounting app would be nice to have"?17:24
Pnuuinstead of the current first sentence17:24
M4rtinKwell, app - what about "integrated OS functionality accessible from the UI" ? :)17:25
javispedrounless you plan on letting tracker index any "newly mounted NFS mounts", what use do you have from a UI NFS mounting app?17:25
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Pnuujavispedro: devmode not needed17:26
javispedrodevmode will be always needed as you need root to insmod17:26
M4rtinKjavispedro: well, that could be worked around17:26
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M4rtinKjavispedro: and I would expect classic "open file/folder" players to show up sooner or later17:27
StskeepsAL13N_lizzy: it's all good17:27
tbrnothing that needs root privs is allowed in harbor17:27
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javispedroM4rtinK: but then e.g. gvfs plugins are more interesting because they allow those things in userspace17:28
javispedro(or kio or whatever Qt uses , if anything...)17:28
M4rtinKwell, I don't really care how it is implemented17:28
javispedro(for the normal user -- not for me of course)17:28
M4rtinKas long it works, is reasonable performance and secure17:28
javispedroNFS and secure in the same sentence?17:29
M4rtinK*performant17:29
AL13N_lizzyand maintainable... etc...17:29
M4rtinKyep, that too17:29
AL13N_lizzycan anyone with access remove the last answer from this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ?17:29
M4rtinKok, maybe not secure with NFS :)17:29
AL13N_lizzyannoying people who answer instead of comment17:29
AL13N_lizzyM4rtinK: there is NFSv4...17:30
AL13N_lizzythough at home i use v317:30
AL13N_lizzybut if i'm linking it with openvpn, it'll be ok :-)17:30
M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: I know, but that it about all I know about v4 - that it exists :)17:30
M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: or SSH tunnel17:30
javispedroI suspect that the gvfs cifs plugin may be already there17:30
javispedroin the device I mean.17:31
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: still 153 short of karma17:31
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: heh17:33
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: if you like, could you remove 2nd answer from https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ? it's annoying when people should comment rather than answer17:34
ggabrielPnuu: thanks for closing my dlna question17:34
ggabrielsearch doesn't work properly, clearly17:35
AL13N_lizzyyeah :-S17:35
Pnuuit's a bit slow and unintuitive17:36
ggabrielwell, i searched for dlna and upnp before17:36
ggabrieltwice17:36
ggabriel:)17:36
ggabrielalso, if you search "dlna" and hit enter, you get no results17:36
AL13N_lizzyheh17:36
Pnuuggabriel: try this: write dlna to the search/ask/foo textbox but don't hit enter17:37
HarhaanJohtajai got 3 qustions17:37
ggabrielPnuu: yeah, you get the typeahead kind of results17:38
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ggabrielPnuu: i was doing that, but, like you say, sometimes it's slow17:38
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Pnuuggabriel: yeah :-/17:38
ggabrielintuitively, when you hit enter, you want the next page with results17:38
ggabrielhit enter or click the magnifying glass17:38
ggabrielanyway17:38
mcfriskmy missing ag-tool issue was just a user not able to enable network connection on phone17:39
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Pnuuggabriel: sounds like a feature-request + together + askbot :-)17:40
ggabrielPnuu: yeap, maybe17:40
ggabrielaahhhh17:41
ggabrielso it filters by all/unanswered/followed17:41
ggabrielgood to know17:41
ggabrielok, now how do i go about and persist iptables rules? :)17:41
AL13N_lizzywhen searching you ideally want all17:41
AL13N_lizzyto start with17:41
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: yeah, you have to make sure you click "all" and then search17:42
AL13N_lizzythat's annoying17:42
M4rtinKggabriel: use FirewallD ? :)17:42
ggabrielyeah, but that's more of a feature request17:42
AL13N_lizzyespecially since if you just go to together, you aren filtered on unanswered17:42
M4rtinKggabriel: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD17:42
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: rc.local ? :-)17:42
ggabrielM4rtinK: i meant on the jolla17:42
AL13N_lizzywhat kind of iptables frontend is jolla using?17:43
AL13N_lizzyshorewall?17:43
M4rtinKggabriel: so do I :)17:43
ggabrieli have no idea17:43
ggabrieli never use fw frontends17:43
ggabrielmaybe i want iptables-restore /etc/sysconfig/iptables every time it's turned on17:44
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AL13N_lizzyggabriel: check what kind of systemd services there are17:46
AL13N_lizzyyou can probably use iptables.service (if it's there)17:46
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: yeap, will do17:46
AL13N_lizzydon't forget ip6tables.service as well :-)17:46
AL13N_lizzyor you're gonna be hacked if you accidentally walk into a wifi zone with ipv6 functionality17:46
ggabrieli just want to persist usb tethering, and i use ipv4, so there17:46
mcfriskanyone know how to edit the jolla email signature? The separator needs a space :)17:47
AL13N_lizzylol @ https://together.jolla.com/question/862/stock-browser-should-be-based-on-chromium-browser/17:48
AL13N_lizzyi have downvoted it17:49
M4rtinKOh how I hate those "Sent from my shiny mobile device" signatures ! It looks just _so_ unprofessional. :)17:49
AL13N_lizzyme too17:50
Plntmcfrisk: if you mean the content of the signature it's in settings -> apps -> email17:50
M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: well, the upcoming Qt WebEngine will be using the new Blink engine used by Chromium :)17:50
Plntmcfrisk: if you mean how to edit the actual signature separator i have no idea where is that located but it will probably need devel mode + terminal access :)17:51
Morpoglol it's -1 votes now17:51
M4rtinKAL13N_lizzy: but yeah, kinda moot as the Sailfish browser is using the Mozilla Gecko embed stuff anyway17:51
ggabrieli commented... the request should be "ability to sync"17:51
ggabrielit'd be a valid request otherwise17:51
mcfriskPlnt: thanks, I was expecting devel mode answer and vi something on device :)17:53
Plnt:))17:54
ggabrielthe settings->apps is awesome btw17:54
Pnuumcfrisk: file and bug report, I'll upvote that17:55
Plntyep, i like that idea, too. it doesn't clutter the app itself and all settings are on one place.17:55
PnuuM4rtinK: another thing I don't understand is changing irc nick depending on the device :-P17:56
SpeedEvilPnuu: It can be useful if you've got multiple logged in devices - or may do.17:56
M4rtinKwell, that kinda makes sense17:56
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M4rtinKI'm actually doing that17:57
Pnuuwhy, may I ask?17:57
AL13N_lizzyanyone know how to force different mobile network? https://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/17:57
PnuuSpeedEvil: doesn't really, atleast for me :-D17:57
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SpeedEvilAL13N_lizzy: And on the related matter - I'd like to know signal strengths for available networks, before purchasing SIM17:58
M4rtinKwell, can't have the same login in two clients17:58
SpeedEvilM4rtinK: Well - you sort of can. Quassel.17:58
M4rtinKwell, sure I could also setup a bouncer and use that :)17:59
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: i think it's in settings->mobile network. can't test right now as my sim card is in the n917:59
Pnuubouncer or screen :-)17:59
SpeedEvilAL13N_lizzy: I guess the root question is 'how do I talk to the modem via at commands'17:59
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StskeepsSpeedEvil: you don't really.. it all goes through the RIL , i think18:00
AL13N_lizzySpeedEvil: rather, how can i influence the software that binds to mobile network18:01
AL13N_lizzyat the very least such a thing has a blacklist feature18:01
AL13N_lizzyand mapping signal strength for various providers would also be nice18:02
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AL13N_lizzyperhaps there's an app for that18:02
SpeedEvilStskeeps: at+cops=? would in principle let me read back the list of available operators.18:02
SpeedEvilBut oh well.18:02
mcfriskPlnt: https://together.jolla.com/question/2884/email-signature-separator-use-standard-dash-dash-space-/18:04
Plntmcfrisk: upvoted18:05
* Pnuu too18:06
Pnuualso retagged, +bug18:07
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PnuuI guess "standards-violation" would be a tad harsh ;-D18:08
M4rtinK"treason" ? :)18:08
Pnuu:-D18:09
ggabriellol18:09
Stskeepstreason against the interweb18:10
Pnuudamn, I never remember to check the "minor edit" box18:16
pp_You know what happens to standards violators? http://xkcd.com/838/18:17
Pnuuthere should be a way to change "answers" to comments18:18
ggabrielPnuu: +118:19
pp_re signal strength, http://www.netradar.org/en may be useful (no sailfish client I suppose)18:19
mcfriskis the email client adding a ; to the end of all standard header fields like To: ?18:20
mcfrisktoo OutLook'ish for me18:20
M4rtinKpp_: there is also OpenSignal http://opensignal.com/index.php?lat=51.5289&lng=-0.1016&initZoom=10&isHeatMap=118:21
Kiranosis there widget support for sailfishos btw?18:21
Kiranoslive status from an app18:21
ggabrielKiranos: that's what the covers are for18:21
* ggabriel trying cryptsetup... nice if it works18:21
Kiranosggabriel: nice, is it possible to get android apps widget added?18:22
Kiranosis in love with anag for icinga/nagios status updates18:22
ggabrielKiranos: no idea, i haven't tried android yet, but i guess the answer is likely "no" (at least for hte time being)18:22
suyI've transfered some albums to ~/Music, but only 1 cover appears in Albums (the others have the transparent icon). Do you know what assigns an image? I have no embedded artwork, just cover.jpg files in the folders18:25
M4rtinKsuy: probably some tracker magic18:27
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suythat's what I thought. Any way to make it reindex or something? I've tried even rebooting18:27
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fluxdo partially written text messages (and then swipe away) get lost for you as well?18:34
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ggabrielflux: yeap, and there is a request for that in together18:36
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fluxcan't find it..18:38
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ggabrielflux: i may be wrong then18:39
* ggabriel read so many bugs in so many different places...18:39
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fluxggabriel, do you happen to remember any keywords? partial, sms or message didn't do it for me.18:40
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HarhaanJohtajathis? https://together.jolla.com/question/1224/bug-message-draft-is-deleted-when-moving-between-conversations/18:41
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Pnuugnaah, why people add tags to topic, like [bug] or bug:18:43
Pnuu-> sauna18:43
ggabrielPnuu: i have done. and the reason is: mistake :)18:44
fluxI find it rather useful, if there were a common approach to it. there doesn't appear to way to say that tag X is the most important one, etc.18:44
Pnuuflux: there's the tagging system for that :-)18:45
fluxfor example if it were possible to colorize tags (and it would be jolla employees that would do the colorization) then plain tags would be just as useful18:45
fluxpnuu, I can't really visually prune out bugs and features from each other from the long list of tags as easily as from the Bug: -prefix18:45
PnuuI'd assume the first one is the most important18:46
fluxI'd assume they are just in random order18:46
Pnuuflux: hmm, maybe18:46
Pnuubut now to sauna \o/18:46
ggabrielin fairness, the faq hasn't given any guidance on this...18:46
fluxbut it would make sense to have the most common tags first18:46
ggabriel(and jolla is going to have to go through this, so *shrug*)18:46
flux(barring that, alphabetically)18:46
fluxthat way the most high-level tags would always be first..18:46
flux(but I wonder if Jola has lots of manpower to change the askbot, if that is even possible without asking askbot to do it..)18:47
Quuone does not simply ask the askbot18:48
fluxaskbot is open source so changing it should be possible. if you have python/django-able developers around.18:48
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fk_lxah 666 questions on Together :-D18:54
Waiteesatan owns jolla18:54
Waiteegg wp18:54
Waiteenext will be jolla lumia wp9 phone18:55
Quuwindows mobile 518:55
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ggabrielon a more cheesy topic, i realized yesterday that i'll miss my n9 when i switch to the jolla18:57
micko_I do I fix sending email? it always tells me "Ongelma synkronoinnissa" (problem in synchronization?). I've seen the fix, but don't remember where18:57
ggabrielmicko_: you mean the fix involving ag-tools?18:58
micko_I tried fixing with sqlite, but it didn't help18:59
micko_so I guess yesh18:59
ggabrielthis thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92122&highlight=sailfish+smtp18:59
ggabrieli used ag-tools18:59
micko_thanks18:59
ggabrielbut ymmv18:59
ggabrielas in... there may be different properties for different providers19:00
ggabrieldo you own the smtp server?19:00
micko_I have admin access to it yeah19:00
ggabrielwhat error is it giving?19:00
ggabriel(the server i mean)19:01
micko_I tried looking at the logs, but didn't find anything related to smtp. I admin some other parts of the server and the mail is mystery to me, so might have been looking the wrong place19:01
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ggabrielso, no access to /var/log/maillog or anything similar?19:02
micko_I have full access to everything. I just lack the skills when it comes to mail servers19:03
ggabrielmicko_: ok, i suggest you start changing this setting: emailaddress19:03
micko_I checked /var/log/mail.err, .warn, .info and .log19:03
ggabrielto your actual email address19:03
ggabrielthe other one i had to change was smtp/address19:04
ggabrieloh, and fullName19:04
ggabrielbut it was a trial/error thing more than anything19:04
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micko_no help19:09
micko_still problem with sync19:09
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ggabrielmicko_: any other setting in ag-tool list-settings [...] that has the username and is _not_ smtp/smtpusername?19:11
friesehumm guys, anyone knows about qr-reader for sailfish?19:14
micko_ggabriel: imap4/username19:15
ggabrielmicko_: sorry then, i'm not sure why it doesn't work19:15
ggabrieli'm assuming that it doesn't work for sending emails, correct?19:15
micko_yes. recieving works19:16
micko_it could be a problem with the server as well. we had some problems with certificates after previous system update19:16
ggabrielyour best bet is to check the server logs to see the actual error19:16
ggabrielthat will give you a clue19:17
parasemici'm really new to linux "hacking", so uhm, how do you update apps from repos you have added? :D19:17
ggabrielmost importantly: can you send emails using that server from other clients? :)19:17
parasemicin this case, MitäKuuluu in icoderuses repo19:17
micko_I haven't found any logs from smtp yet, so there might be some info19:17
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micko_and yes. I can send mail with other clients :) n900 works fine19:18
ggabrielmicko_: then there is most likely a problem with the jolla19:18
ggabrielbut you need to check the logs...19:18
ggabrielmicko_: tip: the log may be set up in /etc/syslog.conf19:20
parasemicguys?19:22
parasemicwhats the command to update apps from repositories19:22
ggabrielparasemic: i'm not too familiar with packagekit i'm afraid, but the command would be pkcon19:22
ggabrielor zypper, if you installed it19:23
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micko_ggabriel: now I found it!19:23
micko_2013-12-26 21:08:57 SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=<my address and IP> input="\026\003\001"19:23
ggabrielmicko_: are you sure you configured the connection type correctly? (ssl vs tls vs plain)?19:24
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micko_I got thunderbird on my computer configured with "STARTTLS" and "normal password". When I conf jolla to use TLS it tells me there's problem logging in19:28
micko_when I set jolla on ssl, there's the problem with sync19:28
ggabrielmicko_: which port did you use with ssl? and does your server support ssl?19:29
micko_and smtp log says this with tls19:29
micko_2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (recv): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.19:29
micko_2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (send): The specified session has been invalidated for some reason.19:29
micko_port is 587. same that works on TB and n90019:29
ggabrielyeah, but on TB and n900 you use starttls, not ssl19:30
ggabrielon the same port, correct?19:30
micko_on tb at least. I'll start up n900 and check19:30
ggabrielyeah, i don't think you can use the same port :)19:31
ggabrielis your server listening on port 465?19:31
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: according to timestamps Plint beat you to it (by a minute), could you remove your own duplicate answer? :-)19:35
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PnuuAL13N_lizzy: as soon as I can find it :-D19:37
AL13N_lizzyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/19:38
AL13N_lizzysorry19:38
Pnuufound it, gone19:38
AL13N_lizzyforgot the link19:38
AL13N_lizzyi had copied it and forgot to paste19:38
AL13N_lizzy:-S19:38
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: huh... odd, your answer still stays even though the post says 1 answer19:39
micko_ggabriel: I'm guite sure the port is 587. and a strange thing... sending suddendly does not work on n900. same error on logs than with jolla19:39
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: yeah :-P19:39
Pnuualso, [closed] topics can still be commented19:40
ggabrielmicko_: so how is the n900 configured then? starttls or ssl?19:40
micko_ssl19:40
ggabrielmicko_: i'm 99.99% certain that you can't use ssl and sarttls on an unencrypted connection in the same port19:41
ggabrielunless you have something weird that multiplexes the connections somehow19:41
pigletto_micko_: might be connected with: https://together.jolla.com/question/1042/smtp-problem-with-loggingcertificate/19:41
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AL13N_lizzyanyone seen this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2945/nonworking-android-apps/ ? at first i was gonna request him to redo it and split it up, but it's a wiki question19:42
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: of course, or i couldn't comment if someone duplicates it, saying that they are wrong :-)19:43
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: what do you mean by "it's a wiki question"?19:43
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: look above the posters name19:43
AL13N_lizzythere's a small icon that says "this post is a wiki, ..."19:44
ggabrielo i c19:44
ggabrielso that happens when you tick "community post"19:44
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: true, but then the closed is a bit misleading..19:44
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: yes19:44
micko_pigletto_: might be... I tried the settings with kmail and sending mail gave me a certificate error19:45
ggabrielmicko_:  i think that you have a few issues19:45
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ggabrielon one hand, your ssl doesn't seem to work (try it with thunderbird and see what happens)19:45
ggabrielif you are using postfix, then what pigletto_ suggested may be the issue why it doesn't work with startssl on your jolla19:45
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parasemicwhere can i get the flashlight app?19:52
micko_ggabriel: tb has only two choices. starttls and ssl/tls19:53
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micko_and the ssl/tls one does not work19:55
AL13N_lizzybtw: anyone know where to store CA certs? https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/19:56
AL13N_lizzyparasemic: iirc the Torch api is not yet finalized, so iinm there is an app laying in wait for it to be finalized so that it can be in the store19:58
Morpogthat was the most strange icon I ever did :)19:58
parasemicalright, was just wondering as @AnttiSaarnio tweeted a pic of the flashlight app19:59
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Morpogit's the one from artemma20:05
Morpogshould be in store soon he said somewhere20:05
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artemmait's in harbour QA since Dec 2320:06
artemmaunfortunately harbour seems to be slower than even apple app store20:06
artemmaand without much progress info20:06
artemmago grab the built at http://bit.ly/flashlight1720:06
artemmathe build*20:06
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mikhasgot my jolla phone, at last20:07
Stskeepsyay20:07
mikhashow do people deal with the non-working shop?20:08
Stskeepshmm?20:08
artemmaand yes, the torch api is not working, so flashlight is impossible. Except if with hell a lot of bouncing head against the wall :)20:08
mikhasI found it kind of non-intuitive to get the system update20:08
Stskeepsmikhas: got a jolla account?20:08
mikhas(had to read Aard's blog)20:08
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mikhasyes, why?20:08
mikhasI think the phone asked for it, too20:08
Stskeepsgood - non-working shop?20:08
mikhasyeah, out of the box, the shop wouldnt work20:09
mikhaswouldnt show any contents20:09
M4rtinKartemma: hopefully the API will be fixed - flashlight is quite a critical functionality at times :)20:09
mikhass/shop/store20:09
M4rtinKartemma: have you posted a question for it ? :)20:10
Stskeepsmikhas: hmmm20:10
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Stskeepsalso20:10
Stskeepsaard has a blog?20:10
Stskeeps:P20:10
artemmaM4rtinK: I was trying to tell that somebody (me) bounced his head against the wall long enough to make the impossible flashlight possible ;)20:10
mikhaswell, it was definitely him who commented on the issue20:10
Stskeeps:nod:20:10
mikhascant find the link but am looking20:10
M4rtinKartemma: yeah, I've followed your odyssey :)20:10
Stskeepsmikhas: does it work for you now?20:11
mikhasyes, after the system update20:11
Stskeepsgood20:11
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mikhasbut aren't system updates something I shouldnt have to trigger manually?20:11
artemmaI would more appreciate if jolla could fix a bug with two apps trying to control the camera (at the moment it crashes the device). That would make it possible to enable cover control for flashlught20:11
parasemiccool, seems like my led is broken.. ffs -.-20:12
parasemicits flickering alot20:12
Stskeepsmikhas: aye - also, are you 3G-only or wifi too?20:12
mikhasboth20:12
Stskeepsok20:12
mikhasfound the link: http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-os-got-yet-another-minor-software-update/20:13
Stskeepsodd, i'll see if i can reproduce that behaviour20:13
mikhasI found the step to *trigger* the download/update non-obvious20:16
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mikhasbut that's perhaps me getting used to the ux first20:16
Stskeepsyou discovered our co-creation site yet, too?20:17
Yanielaka stackoverflow clone20:17
mikhasyes20:17
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parasemicanyone else experience major flickering with the flashlight?20:20
Morpogmikhas, I guess the device checks once a day if there is a system update available20:20
mikhashm, good point20:22
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SpeedEvilparasemic: it's a hack - it's not supposed to flicker severely - but its not able to simply turn the light on.20:22
fk_lxmikhas: hi :-)20:23
Morpoghopefully next batches will be delivered with uptodate firmware from factory20:23
parasemicspeedevil, ah okay20:23
mikhashi fk_lx20:23
zoraelWhat is the word on MMS support? I'm in the settings for Mobile network and can't seem to add a second connection20:25
zorael(Telia here in Sweden seem to have one APN for normal mobile data, one for MMS)20:26
tbrzorael: no MMS support currently20:26
zoraeltbr: aw, okay :<20:26
Pnuuzorael: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/20:26
Pnuuupvoting should help :-)20:27
zoraelon it20:27
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Yaniel"no ops, I'm outta here" wut20:35
raa70old script20:36
AL13N_lizzyanyone know the answer to this one? https://together.jolla.com/question/3005/why-do-i-keep-having-new-responses/20:45
Pnuuhmm20:48
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AL13N_lizzyPnuu: y'all have this too, right?20:49
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: no, I have been able to clear those20:50
Pnuunow I selected all and clicked dismiss -> only the topics were left visible20:51
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: ah! it shows only first 50, so the 6 responses might be in the older ones20:52
Pnuuand after refreshing also the titles were cleared away20:52
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dunphttp://www.engadget.com/2013/12/26/tcl-idol-x-plus-2ghz-octa-core-activity-wristband/?ncid=rss_truncated20:56
Yanielehh, media player browsing by artist is a bit broken20:56
Yanielit does not show songs without an album tag20:56
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PnuuAL13N_lizzy: added an answer20:58
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: i haven't counted, but i might indeed be missing paging20:59
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PnuuAL13N_lizzy: I had 96 responses there, and after dismissing I had 46 left :-)20:59
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PnuuAL13N_lizzy: but there's no paging visible :-P21:01
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krandommaybe this helps someone, as it helped me: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/temporary-fix-to-email-not-syncing-problem/21:20
AL13N_lizzythis is a difficult question: https://together.jolla.com/question/3014/clarification-of-open-source-policy/21:24
AL13N_lizzynot touching that one21:24
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cagehi, is anyone here who could help me with boot problems on my jolla?21:28
PnuuStskeeps still awake?21:29
tbrcage: what did you do to it?21:32
cagewell, I tried to add sdcard to fstab to be mounted in adroid data... after reboot only black screen after boot logo.21:34
cageI removed the line with fastboot image afterwards, but still no change21:34
Stskeepsthat was not very smart21:35
Stskeeps:P21:35
tbrcage: whereabouts in germany?21:35
cageyes21:36
tbr_where_ in germany... big country and all that...21:36
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cage:) dresden21:37
tbrI'd try geolocating that IP, but I'm on a train and MOSH barely handles...21:37
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Yanielsoo... first unbootable device?21:37
tbrnah, someone else managed already IIRC21:38
rcgtbr, wasn't that fixed with the help of Stskeeps ?21:38
tbrcage: https://plus.google.com/events/cnqqpijpf5rjigjr1eold2991kc - attend and 'magic things™' might happen21:38
tbrrcg: no idea, I didn't read the scrolling in here, too busy recently21:39
rcgtbr, hehe, well, that's just what i remembered having read somewhere(tm)21:39
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AL13N_lizzyif fastboot still works, it's not unbootable21:41
Yanielhmm with tohd.service stopped battery life is quite nice21:41
AJAX555it sure is nice21:41
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rcgbtw Stskeeps lurking here even during the holidays?21:41
Yanielmost sailors seem to21:42
Pnuupeople who use irc, well, they (we) use irc :-D21:42
Yaniel(most who do anyway)21:43
Skorpyirssi all the time open. it's difficult not to look :P21:44
tbr:>21:44
tbrirssi ftw!21:44
Skorpyyup21:44
AJAX555tbr: agreed21:44
tbr(another great free software product from finland!)21:44
Pnuugo us! 8-)21:44
Yanielif only clicking urls in weechat was easier..21:45
pp_with fingerterm you don't need to click urls!21:45
pp_(another great free software product from finland!)21:45
* tbr uses fingerterm + mosh + screen + irssi == teh ultimate world dominating win!21:45
Yanielbut the url grabber does not work on too long urls21:45
Skorpytbr: tmux > screen, but yeah, screen works too :P21:46
tbryes, Hq`s fingerterm roxx!21:46
Yanielsince they are wrapped due to layuout21:46
* pp_ updated to tmux too21:46
Yaniel(and nicklist)21:46
tbrSkorpy: didn't get around to that yet, but yeah, have it on my radar21:46
Pnuutbr: does the mosh update screen correctly?21:47
Yanieltmux ftw21:47
rcgheh, alright seems like you're the wrong (or even right) ones to ask about irc during holidays :D21:47
Pnuutbr: the version I found has a glitch when changing between irssi windows21:48
tbrPnuu: fingerterm seems to have some corner cases with lines that wrap21:48
Pnuurcg: :-D21:48
tbrbut that was on ssh on the n950 already21:48
Pnuutbr: ah, so it's not mosh? but that doesn't happen with plain ssh..21:48
tbrI'll check21:49
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tbrI need to check if mosh in nemo is up to date anyway before I promote it to the community sailfish repo21:49
* Yaniel waiting eagerly for that21:50
rcgtbr, community sailfish repo?21:50
Skorpyit's screen that breaks sometimes when changing windows in irssi. haven't had that problem after I changed to tmux21:50
YanielPnuu: ssh goes "ohai I getted u an escape sequence. but I eated it"21:50
Pnuuomnom21:53
tbrrcg: https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10 - nothing there yet. Simply lacked the time. But people are free to submit SRs already and warm up their engines.21:53
pp_mosh-1.2.4-1.2.1.armv7hl seems recent21:54
rcgtbr, cool :D21:54
Yanielhmm21:55
rcgtbr, might pester you some time about the mentioned guidelines and such :)21:56
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tbrbtw: the aim for that repo is to naturally complement upstreams and not to break things (but without warranties etc)21:56
Yanielcould we have a packages.archlinux.org -like interface for that?21:57
tbre.g. I would prefer to inherit mosh from nemo:devel:apps instead of having someone maintain a divergent package21:57
rcgtbr, sure, makes sense21:58
Yaniellooks somewhat similar already :321:58
tbrYaniel: OBS already provides much of that21:58
rcgtbr, but wouldn't simply adding nemo:devel:apps do the same then?21:58
AL13N_lizzycan someone with a Jolla answer this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/3105/sync-how-to-sync/ ?21:59
tbrrcg: I haven't fully made up my mind yet how this will relate, some things might not be compatible, so it might be better to rebuild them in a cleanly sailfish targeted project?22:00
tbrrcg: clearly UI apps belong into chum, as they'll need the silica bits.22:01
rcgtbr, aye, makes sense. especially considering that stuff in nemo:devel:foo usually changes at a pretty high speed22:01
rcgtbr, right22:01
AL13N_lizzyanother one bites the dust: https://together.jolla.com/question/3114/i-there-a-way-to-reset-forgotten-root-password/22:01
AL13N_lizzy:-)22:01
merlin1991well that one would be easy22:01
pp_remains to be seen how fast sailfish moves :-)22:01
merlin1991generate new ssh pw, devel-su with new pw, passwd22:02
merlin1991...22:02
rcgso, having something "more stable" makes sense and of course to have sailfish specific stuff as well22:02
merlin1991profit22:02
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rcgtbr, and you avoid deps to things like nemo:devel:mw etc.22:02
merlin1991AL13N_lizzy: I'd answer it now, but I don't have linux available atm to check if I'm right :D22:03
rcgwhich i guess would have a good chance to break your sailfish installation if they are pulled in accidentally22:03
tbryeah22:04
AL13N_lizzyi note that the most voted questions are actually the ones where the most "bikeshedding" is being done22:05
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AL13N_lizzydue to a topic where everyone can say something, their activity keeps being high, which means it catches the most votes22:06
AL13N_lizzywhile some that are very clear and need no improvement, get less votes that way22:06
AL13N_lizzyeven if most people would want it (if they would see it) :-)22:06
merlin1991AL13N_lizzy: yeah like https://together.jolla.com/question/741/how-can-one-import-in-jolla-the-n900n9-call-history/22:08
* merlin1991 is in vote whore mode22:08
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AL13N_lizzymerlin1991: no, not like that one at all... :-)22:14
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fluxso I think I wondered about this earlier but I finally made a together-question about it: https://together.jolla.com/question/3134/ability-to-rapidly-return-to-the-last-application-before-locking/ (basically: as fast return to last app after locking as in n900, or at least faster than it now is)22:17
fluxmerlin1991, hey, that's pretty nice, thanks for the link :)22:18
flux(..well, assuming it works..)22:19
Pnuuflux: and it was a duplicate.. :-)22:20
fluxbut ali3n has apparently read all the notifications ;-)22:20
flux(I mean questions)22:21
fluxit doesn't link to the actual duplicate question though..22:21
PnuuI'm on it22:21
Pnuu(as soon as I can find it..)22:22
merlin1991the duplicate is https://together.jolla.com/question/1146/import-sms-from-nokia-n9/22:22
merlin1991flux: and it works, I've tested it :)22:22
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/472/after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/22:24
Pnuuand AL13N_lizzy was faster, again :-P22:24
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fluxI think that particular link could atleast have better tags22:27
fluxI think, for example, that lock-screen would be quite a relevant tag, maybe more relevant than having both ui and ux there ;-)22:28
flux(I suppose the 5-tag limit could be increase as well, but perhaps that's not the best idea)22:28
Pnuuretagged22:29
fluxgreat, I'll find it next time :)22:29
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fluxbut I think it's for me to sleep. also all you tired Jolla developers, go to sleep now so you'll be ready to face the challenges tomorrow and implement all those things we've wished for ;-)22:32
Stskeepsisn't that what we've done all xmas.. :(22:32
Pnuusleep, well, that might be good idea22:33
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: sorry buddy22:36
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: i'm going to sleep soon, so you can do what you want now :-)22:36
AL13N_lizzyflux: Pnuu: i too had a difficult time re-finding that original question22:37
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: nah, there's a delete possibility for a reason :-)22:38
Pnuuand now, sleep22:38
Triztwhat about this one https://together.jolla.com/question/3185/syncing-n900-calendar-to-jolla-everything-is-off-sync-with-one-hour/22:39
Stskeepssmells like a timezone setting wrong on one of the devices22:40
ortylpwhat is the most usable IRC client for Jolla (not necessary on teminal)22:40
TriztStskeeps: is there a way to adjust the timezone in Jolla so it will have the correct time?22:41
Stskeepswell, in settings..? :P22:41
TriztStskeeps: I have it set to auto sync with operator, shows the correct time for the time zone22:42
ortylpStskeeps: there was some report (on together.jolla.com) about alarm being one hour off against displayed hour22:42
ortylpStskeeps: maybe it is related...22:42
Stskeepsperhaps22:42
Triztdon't see how whole day events should be clocked by timezone, they should be bound to the date22:43
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Triztortylp: could be, having a CET derivated timezone seems to still prefer EET (Helsinki)22:44
* Trizt has to get to bed "early" today22:44
* Trizt waves good night22:45
FireFlyortylp, Stskeeps: also related: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/22:46
FireFlyThough I think that one might be because it creates a Date object pointing to 00:00 of some day in UTC, and then take the local date of it, or something like that22:46
FireFlythus being off-by-one in some cases22:47
FireFlyBut I don't blame you, time is hard..22:48
Stskeepstime isn't hard, it's a literal nightmare22:48
Stskeeps:P22:48
FireFly:D22:49
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artemmaThere are two biggest problems in programming: Naming, Synchronization and Off-by-one errors22:57
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* stephg facepalm22:59
viqWhat's the recommended way to back up jolla before I play with the developer mode?23:02
stephgviq there's no officially sanctioned way to flash an image yet23:03
stephgso it depends what you mean by 'play'23:03
spider-marioartemma : you are  concurrencyforgetting23:03
viqoh23:03
viqstephg: well, don't really know, start slow I guess - first thing I need to figure out is why the SD card is not getting mounted23:04
stephgwe can probably help with that :)23:04
viqI guess next up on the list is installing gpodder ;)23:04
stephghow big and which filesystem23:04
viq64, I don't think it mounted with ext4, I'm certain it didn't mount with btrfs23:04
viq/run/user/100000/ shows only sdcard/ which is empty, I named the FS SD6423:05
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viq(yeah, I know, I'm creative like that)23:05
viqTried both inserting while off and while on23:05
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stephgviq with a 64GB card you're out of luck with anything fat23:07
stephgext4 should have been ok or btrfs23:07
Chaz6How about UDF?23:08
stephgprob not I'd have thought23:08
stephgafaik udf isn't supported23:09
viqstephg: yeah, first attempt was half hearted untill I realised it was exfat, right after that tried ext4 but didn't know where to look whether it mounted, formatted to btrfs and know where to look, chowned on laptop the FS to myself, transferred files, put CD in phone, don't see it23:09
* stephg caveat lector, ← he's hammered23:09
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stephgviq so there's a known issue with the automounter not recognising things it should23:09
stephgI think that affects ext4/btrfs23:10
stephgfirst step if it's ext4 is to try to mount it by hand23:10
viqSo just what I tried :D23:10
viqwhich requires enabling developer mode ;)23:10
stephgyesh23:10
stephgso developer mode is safe provided you don't do anything stupid :)23:11
viqright, no running away from that then23:11
viqnoone would ever do anything stupid, would they? ;)23:11
stephgif you trust yourself with your device, I trust you with your device ;)23:12
viq:D23:12
viqNotice first thing I asked about was backup ;)23:12
stephgbut seriously it comes with the caveat that if you do mess it up and you're not in .fi recovery may be expensive23:12
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ggabrielviq: fwiw, a backup at this point is probably a lot riskier than dev mode23:12
ggabriela "proper" backup23:13
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viqNow that's reassuring :D23:13
ggabrielyou basically have to boot the device in a special mode, dd all the partitions, and then you can kind of reflash it if you break something23:13
stephgtbh tinkering on the commandline or via ssh will be ok, it's messing around with automounting things (in your case) that is the real danger23:13
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ggabriel+1 stephg23:13
* viq nods23:14
viq"allow developer updates" - what's that?23:14
ggabrielviq: don't enable that :)23:14
* stephg "what's this red button? DON'T PRESS THE RED BUTTON"23:15
ggabriel(there's a known bug and it breaks packagekit or osmething or other)23:15
viq:D23:15
viqAh, ok23:15
viq...I wonder if anyone tried installing saltstack on jolla23:16
viqMost of it seems to be python anyway, or at least I got such a feeling from what little I read23:16
stephgyou an admin viq?23:17
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viqstephg: aye23:18
viqyay, it accepts ssh keys!23:18
stephgyep, it does :)23:18
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stephgbasically if you know what you're doing tinker all you want, you'll only run into trouble if you try to do clever things with the automounter or fstab23:19
stephgor anything that any of the boot time stuff won't be happy with23:19
viqdevel-su, was it?23:19
stephgyep23:20
stephgno sudo, no su23:20
stephgpassword for devel-su will be whatever you set/was randomly set in the UX in settings>developer-mode23:20
* viq nods23:20
viqso... what's the recommended way to go about (auto)mounting that sdcard? systemd?23:21
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stephgyou ever going to take the card out?23:22
viqHm23:22
viqProbably not, but I don't want to have a hosed system if I do23:23
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stephgI'd avoid anything automatic as (hopefully) support for automounting things that aren't FAT should come23:23
viqmhmm23:24
stephgmean time a quick script would be easy enough23:24
viqhuh23:24
viq mount -t btrfs /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/23:24
viqmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk1p1,23:24
stephghm23:24
viqjournalctl -af, took the card out and put it back in and nothing appears23:26
ggabrielviq: blkio /dev/mmcblk1p123:26
ggabriel(to see what linux thinks it is...)23:26
stephgwas going to suggest just that23:26
stephgor blkid /that/device23:26
viq/dev/mmcblk1p1: LABEL="SD64" UUID="de593bc0-0271-4ab6-86fb-c408fa4840b5" UUID_SUB="58315f59-5a1e-42be-be1d-93f2a4642695" TYPE="btrfs"23:28
stephghm23:28
ggabrielthat's super weird23:28
ggabrielviq: is there anything in that file system?23:29
viqyes, I dumped some music on there23:30
viqnot that I care about it, if that's what you're asking23:30
ggabrieland what did you use ot format it?23:30
ggabrielkernel version in particular23:30
stephgcan you mount it in your comptuer?23:30
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viqmkfs.btrfs on arch23:30
viqyes, that's where I copied the data23:30
ggabrielkernel >3.4, right?23:30
viq3.12.5-1-ARCH23:30
ggabrielyeah...23:30
ggabrielmaybe try to format it from sailfish23:30
ggabrielbtrfs if still experimental, the format may have changed23:31
viqook23:31
ggabrielbut if you do that, you have to then test that it works back in your computer (assuming that you are interested in that use case)23:31
ggabrielbackwards compat is easier than fwd compat23:31
ggabrielif not, ext4 is your friend23:31
ggabrielit doesn't have fancy ssd features, but you can't have everything :)23:31
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viqformatting on jolla, will see if computer mounts23:32
viqwhat is the "yo, gimme that package, bitch!" command on jolla?23:32
ggabriellol23:32
ggabrielpkcon23:32
stephgright I'm going to bed23:33
viqit does search too?23:33
stephgyep23:33
viqstephg: sleep well23:33
ggabrielpkcon search name [name of something]23:33
stephgg'night guys23:33
ggabrielnight stephg23:33
stephgsee you tomorrow!23:33
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viqah, formatted on jolla was able to mount it23:34
ggabrieli'd give it a little test23:34
ggabriellike don't copy anything that you haven't got a backup of23:34
ggabrielmine is btrfs too23:34
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ggabrielbut has nothing as i'm still playing :P23:34
viqyeah23:34
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viqMostly it's media dump, music and a buffer for podcasts ;)23:35
viqbooo, there's no tmux package :P23:35
ggabrielscreen23:35
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ggabrielthere isn't mercurial either23:35
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viqYeah, I know screen, but I grew to like tmux better ;)23:36
ggabrielsame here23:37
ggabrieli don't know why i prefer tmux23:37
ggabrielmaybe control+b is easier than control+a23:37
Chaz6tmux++23:37
ggabrieloh, i know why23:37
AL13N_lizzyhuh, now that i think about it23:38
ggabrieltmux doesn't want control+ the second character23:38
ggabriels/the/after the/23:38
AL13N_lizzyif i have a SD card, i should format it so that i can have a btrfs equal to the size of internal memory so i can balance it and have an SD backup :-)23:38
viq /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user 0 023:38
viqthis looks OK23:38
viq?23:38
AL13N_lizzyi should've thought of that :-)23:38
ggabrielviq: that in /etc/fstab?23:39
viqggabriel: for me it's the status bar, and ease of splitting23:39
viqggabriel: yes23:39
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: the emmc doesn't fit in a 16gb one ;-)23:39
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AL13N_lizzyisn't the mmc 16GB?23:39
ggabrielviq: just be aware that somebody lost access to their device by modifying the fstab23:39
ggabrieli don't know what that somebody did though23:39
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: yeah, but i tried it :P23:39
ggabrielalbeit in ext4, not btrfs23:39
AL13N_lizzyit's systemd, i would add nofail option23:40
viqggabriel: I think I heard, that's why I'm asking if the line looks OK ;)23:40
ggabrielwell, i tried to dd every partition23:40
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AL13N_lizzyif you change fstab, add nofail option23:40
ggabrielviq: i didn't add it to fstab  myself23:40
AL13N_lizzyor if it's missing on boot, it will stop booting23:40
AL13N_lizzy*nofail* is ancient, allthough systemd is the first one to actually honor the option23:40
viqggabriel: I don't want to devel-su to mount it every time. Also, with that permissions are wrong...23:40
ggabrieli'd follow AL13N_lizzy's advice23:41
ggabrielin fairness, you can always test it23:41
ggabrielbefore booting, that is23:41
AL13N_lizzyif there's no *nofail* it will need to be booted in the kernel stage, and if the driver isn't in kernel stage, but later, you're fucked23:41
viq /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user,nofail 0 023:42
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AL13N_lizzyperhaps the other user made a typo which invalidated the subsequent lines and thus didn't boot (or something)23:42
viqeh, and will have to deal with the ages old problem of different uids...23:42
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ggabrielviq: you mean you haven't connected the jolla to your ldap yet? ;-)23:44
AL13N_lizzyalso, iinm the option is "user=$UID" or "users" but check man pages23:44
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* AL13N_lizzy is unsure23:44
viq:D23:44
AL13N_lizzyanyway, night all, and happy debricking :-)23:44
viqAL13N_lizzy: I thought that was for FAT and such23:44
viqnight23:44
AL13N_lizzyviq, yes23:45
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AL13N_lizzyi don't see why you would use "user"23:45
AL13N_lizzy"users" i get23:45
AL13N_lizzyusers should mean users are allowed to mount23:45
AL13N_lizzyuser is for changing permissions23:46
* ggabriel cd $BED23:46
AL13N_lizzyIINM23:46
AL13N_lizzybut yeah23:46
AL13N_lizzybed it is23:46
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viqThanks guys for giving me an example to follow, I should do that too ;)23:46
* viq ejects23:47
viqThanks for help :)23:47
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prometoysam I wrong or is Instagram app not available in Yandex.store?23:57
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