#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2013-12-25

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lbt_the other option was to not turn it on today and wait until it was all polished ... sometime in february probably :D00:00
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viqlbt: some february anyway ;)00:00
lbtindeed00:00
lbtit's working now for me00:01
lbtthey're bouncing the backend and modifying some tuning params00:01
lbtalthough I think it's 2am on christmas morning in finland00:01
viqeh, not seeing the logo either on fullhd tablet00:01
viqIt's not that much earlier here, I guess I should finally remove myself from the keyboard and head to sleep :P00:02
FireFlyNot seeing it on jolla browser, anyway00:02
lbtthe icon is indeed missin00:04
lbtg00:04
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smokexhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1505284_771585676188606_239492310_n.jpg who all here is in this picture?00:39
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parasemicguys01:06
parasemicwould it be theoretically possible to make an executable file to install google play store?01:07
parasemicjust as so many people seem to be afraid of even a little of terminal use01:07
SpeedEvilOf course.01:10
SpeedEvilI don't know if it'd pass whatever review process the store has01:10
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SpeedEvilIs there any shell way to do a sleep that actually wakes?01:13
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M4rtinKsystemctl reboot ? :)01:18
M4rtinK"wakes" in about 30 seconds :)01:18
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KabouikHi there, and merry christmas01:25
KabouikFor christmas, I got my Jolla not being able to install apps from the store anymore :D01:25
Kabouik"Problem with installation of applicationname"01:26
KabouikIs there a command I could use in terminal to get some details on the error and try to figure out what is wrong?01:26
parasemicKabouik do you have the latest updates installed?01:26
KabouikI think so, let me check01:26
Kabouik1.0.1.12 and no update found01:27
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parasemicweird, the latest hotfix was supposed to fix that01:28
parasemicanyway, i gottago to bed01:28
parasemicmost people here seem to be sleeping, too :/01:28
parasemici'd try resetting the phone01:29
KabouikIt worked till recently, it was actually working before the hotfix in my case01:29
parasemicah01:29
parasemichmm01:29
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KabouikBut just tried to install some new apps today, no success01:29
KabouikTried four apps, always the same issue, even after reboot01:29
KabouikAnd reset is only my last resort :O01:29
parasemicyeah, ofc. i kinda understood the question in a way you got the device for christmas :D yeah im high01:30
KabouikNo no, got it before01:31
KabouikMy christmas present is just the broken store :p01:31
parasemic:p01:31
parasemicwell, sounds like a new problem as i havent seen anyone complain about the store after the hotfix01:32
parasemictomorrow you'll get better help from here01:32
KabouikThanks01:32
KabouikI think I need to check a few command lines in terminal to have further details on the issue I have01:33
KabouikBecause "problem with installation of xxx" is a bit fuzzy :o01:33
parasemicindeed01:34
parasemicanyway, im off to bed01:34
parasemicgood luck01:34
KabouikThanks parasemic, good night01:34
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nander33% power usage over 14 hours of light / normal usage01:38
nandera bit of chatting, 6 short calls, some app store activity, etc.01:39
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merlin1991Kabouik: try pkcon install "packagename"01:49
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ccha4hi, I installed an .apk file,... how can I remove it ?07:48
CraigAhold down on the home screen until you see the icon with the X07:49
CraigAthen click X to remove it07:49
ccha4but it will remove the icon only right ?07:49
ccha4or it will remove all files installed by that app07:50
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Waitee_ccha4: it will remove the app completely08:06
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Stskeepsso, first impressions of together.jolla.com ?08:10
Waiteewhat is that?08:11
Waiteei think i should be aware08:11
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Stskeepshttp://together.jolla.com :)08:13
Waiteebugtracker/ QA page for the users?08:14
StskeepsJolla believes in co-creation and wants to empower its users to participate in developing Jolla continuously08:14
Stskeepsfurther and better. To facilitate co-creation and collect feedback, Jolla will be opening a portal at08:14
Stskeepstogether.jolla.com where customers can discuss and vote on which features they would like to see in Jolla,08:14
Stskeepsreport issues and submit ideas08:14
Waiteenot a bad idea08:15
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PlntStskeeps: thanks for the notification about together launch :)09:01
* Plnt is going to start to reporting bugs and feature requests09:02
fluxI like how civil/spam-free the comments at together have been so far :).09:02
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Quuso far.. :p09:15
Stskeepsyeah, imagine this had been up with the midst of pre-order mess09:16
Stskeeps:P09:16
Yanielwaiting for the 'y u no emacs' post...09:17
StskeepsAnswer #1: because we have vim09:17
Yaniel":D"09:17
Stskeeps:P09:17
Yanielnot even vim09:17
Yanielvi09:17
ccha4someone know waze app ?09:17
Yanielwhat ze?09:17
Yaniel*is09:18
ccha4this app freezed and force jolla to reboot09:18
ccha4android application for traffic jam09:18
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WaiteeYaniel: it's actually vim, not vi09:19
Waiteethe command is vi however for some reason09:20
Yanielccha4: systemctl restart aliendalvik.service09:20
ccha4jolla auto rebooted09:21
Stskeepsccha4: it possibly used too much memory or something09:21
YanielWaitee: so it seems, cool09:21
ccha4maybe09:21
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tbrYaniel: I think you can get emacs. I bet Aard has a package in his OBS home project.10:01
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phaerontbr: it's in mer-tools10:27
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ggabrielmerry xmas to y'all10:30
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dracula1any chance to know what is default password for su, nemo and devel-su users on jolla phone?10:44
Morpog_PCdevel-su you set in settings by yourself10:45
phaerondracula1: you can see / set it in developer mode settings10:45
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ccha4someone use skype and voice call ?10:48
ccha4there is echo10:49
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AL13N_lizzywow, this together is a good idea10:51
AL13N_lizzythis'll definately be useful for a community FAQ at the very least10:51
igheaso far it looked like a complete mess10:52
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igheabut perhaps later on10:52
pp_:-)10:56
pp_some well-organized community wiki might work10:56
pp_http://elinux.org/Jolla is not bad as a starting point, I suppose10:58
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dracula1phaeron: do you y10:58
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dracula1phaeron: you probably mean generated password for remote connection,but what i need is passwrod needs to be typed in terminal after doing su or devel-su commands10:59
Morpog_PChttps://together.jolla.com/question/1037/vibration-strenght/11:00
Pnuudracula1: that's the same setting11:00
PnuuMorpog_PC: typo: strength, not strenght :-)11:00
Morpog_PCdamn11:01
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Morpog_PChttps://together.jolla.com/question/1037/vibration-strength/ :D11:01
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ccha4on the bottom of the phone, the left part is the speaker, and the right one is the micro ?11:03
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tbrphaeron: ha, even better :)11:10
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dracula1Pnuu, Phaeron: thanks. it does not work for su, but does for devel-su and nemo11:18
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Stskeepscyril_: you were the one with a landscape phone?11:22
cyril_Stskeeps : Yep it's me11:22
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cyril_Stskeeps : Thanx for your help11:23
cyril_Stskeeps : I got a linux PC running fedora11:23
Stskeepscyril_: ok, check your private message11:23
Nicd-landscape phone?11:23
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Nicd-battery life seems to be much better now that tohd.service is turned off11:24
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KabouikHi merlin1991, thanks. Unfortunately pkcon install harbour-simpleweather or pkcon install simpleweather do not find the package11:36
KabouikMy internet connection is working11:37
KabouikWait, it was working. Let's reset it11:37
KabouikStill the same issue11:38
Nicd-Kabouik: did you try pkcon update first?11:38
KabouikNope, you're right. Using pkcon instead of apt-get kind of confuses me :p11:38
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KabouikStill doesn't find the packages; update ran properly11:39
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KabouikI ran the zypper commands for adding gPodder repos (on the gPodder wiki), could that be what messed everything up? It seemed to work properly when I did that11:40
Pnuuhow about pkcon refresh?11:40
KabouikDoing it11:41
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Nicd-what's the difference with pkcon update and refresh?11:41
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Pnuuif I've understood correctly, refresh gets new package info, update updates packages11:42
Pnuuupdates installed packages11:43
KabouikIt asked me to accept (N/y) the signature for http://repo.merproject[...]something-about-gpodder[...], I said "y" and it replied (in French): The service failed during transactions. Returned to bash-3.2:11:43
KabouikSo update would be upgrade?11:43
Nicd-Pnuu: ah, I'm used to update vs upgrade11:44
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KabouikI redid the refresh, this time I could accept the key for gPodder (don't understand why it didn't work the first time), so refresh ended correctly11:46
KabouikI then tried install harbour-simpleweather, and it seems to work11:46
KabouikNo error message11:46
KabouikLet's try if it works from the store for another app now11:46
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KabouikSeems to be working...11:47
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KabouikSo basically my issue is that the store did not refresh properly the list of packages (although it did show new apps in the store)11:47
KabouikPerhaps it was due to gPodder, but for some reason, I just insisted with pkcon refresh and it finally refreshed correctly, weird11:48
KabouikThanks all Pnuu Nicd- merlin1991!11:48
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Venemohey guys11:56
Venemohere're my bug reports from my first day with the Jolla: https://together.jolla.com/users/300/venemo/11:56
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Quuonly 14?11:58
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KabouikIf I uninstalled Android apps and they still have folders and files in /data/sdcard, is it safe to use root privileges to delete these folders?11:58
VenemoQuu: is that too few?11:59
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AJAX555mm.. after almost 1h of phone use.. only 4% of battery used..12:03
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mattaustinAnyone know if contacts generated when adding a Google Account are copied once-only, or if changes from Google are applied to the phone as well. And if so, do changes on the phone go back to Google?12:19
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Venemomattaustin: I don't know but I think you can try it pretty easily12:20
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mattaustinVenemo: My test with an N950 didn't appear to sync either way - but not sure if I left it long enough. There was no log/messages on the sync screen in the settings.12:21
krnlyngStskeeps: is the gralloc gstreamer module soc/platform dependant?12:25
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Venemomattaustin: okay12:26
KabouikCould someone experienced tell me if it is safe to use root privileges to delete folders in /data/sdcard of Android apps I have uninstalled?12:27
KabouikI still have Waze and Sygic in here although I uninstalled them12:27
ccha4Kabouik: Waze works well on your jolla ?12:29
KabouikNope, it crashed after I finished watching the tutorial, and then couldn't run it again12:30
KabouikHence I uninstalled it12:30
ccha4same, it crashed and sailfish self reboot12:30
KabouikNo reboot in my case if I remember correctly12:31
KabouikHave you uninstalled it ccha4? Could you check whether you still have a waze directory in /data/sdcard?12:31
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ccha4yes still here12:32
Kabouikwell, just tried rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty waze from /data/sdcard, got no errors, but waze is still here12:36
KabouikAnd rm -r waze asks me confirmation for every single file :/12:37
Quuy u no rm -rf12:37
Kabouik-rf :O right :o12:38
KabouikThanks12:38
Quujust dont typo the folder you want to delete12:38
Kabouikrm -rf /12:38
Kabouik:O12:38
KabouikDon't even know if it would work :P12:38
Quuyeah.12:38
Quutry it? ;D12:39
KabouikSure. :]12:39
Stskeepskrnlyng: what?12:39
Stskeeps:P12:39
krnlyngStskeeps: package: libgstreamer0.10-gralloc i figured you might know12:40
KabouikWhere are the apk of Android files?12:41
KabouikI seem to remember there are .apk files stored in the Jolla somewhere, had to rename one to solve an issue with Google Play (following a post on TMO)12:41
ccha4Kabouik: it crash because speech12:42
Kabouik?12:42
ccha4during initialization, it took to long to download voices12:43
KabouikSo you removed /waze/sounds and it worked?12:43
ccha4no just read crash log12:43
ccha4and waze log12:43
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KabouikI'd like to install Sygic too, really need offline navigation when travelling abroad12:48
KabouikLet's lunch before! :] See you later12:48
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Coder|jollais there any webbrowser that supports landscape for jolla?12:56
AJAX555no idea12:56
Pnuuandroid firefox12:56
Coder|jollaFirefox works?12:57
Coder|jollachrome didn't :(12:57
AJAX555time to get going ->12:58
HartziFF works12:58
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Coder|jollasweet!12:59
ccha4for sygic it's not free right ?12:59
Venemowhat's the optimal way to keep a good battery life? should I mercilessly squeeze the battery empty?13:03
M4rtinKnewest Opera Mobile works13:04
M4rtinKalso has text reflow (nice for portrait browsing)13:04
Nicd-Venemo: disabling tohd.service13:05
Coder|jollawell, I'm going with ff, like to have some plugins :p13:05
VenemoNicd-: already did that13:07
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Venemoandroid firefox? srsly?13:07
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PnuuVenemo: yeah13:09
PnuuI'll change to native implementation as soon as available, FF is the only app I need from android13:09
Venemolol13:12
Coder|jollaI dunno, the implementation of android support pleases me actually :P13:12
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Coder|jollaI never really liked the OS, but I've been missing some of it's apps13:13
Coder|jollaspeaking of which, is camera support to be expected for android apps?13:14
Sfiet_KonstantinCoder|jolla: it is13:14
PnuuVenemo: lol?13:15
Coder|jollaAwesome, my friends keep nagging me about snapchat...13:15
michiel_lHi, I have a question. My device cannot seem to connect to the Jolla Store. I reset it already to factory settings, created another Jolla account etc.13:17
Pnuumichiel_l: have you updated to .12 already?13:18
michiel_lIt says 'Error downloading https://storeapi-a9313:18
michiel_lHow can I do that?13:18
michiel_lPnuu: How can I update to .1213:18
Pnuusettings -> system settings -> about device -> pulley menu -> "check for update"13:19
michiel_lI have 0.98.1.813:20
michiel_lIt doesn't have an option 'about device', only "About product'13:20
michiel_lBut that doesn't seem to have a pulley menu13:20
Plntmichiel_l: there should be pully menu from the top of the screen13:21
phaeronthat's not even a release , where did you get that device ? :D13:21
Coder|jollaOoh, someone with fancy prerelease? :O13:22
Pnuu0.98.x 0_o13:23
michiel_lphaeron: Coder|jolla: indeed13:23
michiel_lthat may explain there is no pulley menu13:24
krnlyngare any people with a jolla device here?13:25
Pnuukrnlyng: sure13:25
Coder|jollaI dont think so...13:25
phaeronhighest concentration of jolla device owners you'll ever find :D13:25
krnlyng:)13:25
Coder|jollaI'm certainly not ircing from mine...13:26
krnlyngcan somebody do "zypper in --download-only libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel" and upload the package? i fail to download it13:26
krnlyngasking doesn't hurt :)13:26
krnlyngunless people give mean answers^^13:26
michiel_lCoder|jolla: is there a way to flash from prerelease to more or less current version?13:26
Coder|jollahehe, just kidding around13:26
Coder|jollamicjiel, no idea, I've only had mine for a few days :p13:27
Coder|jollamichiel*13:27
michiel_lMine arrived yesterday ;)13:27
Coder|jollasweet13:27
ggabrielmichiel_l: why flash and not update from sailfish os?13:27
michiel_lggabriel: there does not seem to be an update option13:28
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Pnuukrnlyng: maybe pkcon install libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel  would work?13:28
ggabrielmichiel_l: yeah, there is... go to settings->about->pulley menu->check for updates13:28
michiel_lUnless someone can tell me where to look13:28
ggabrielor something along those lines13:28
CoderCandyWhy was I ircing from my Jolla?13:28
ggabrielmy device is currently in fastboot mode so i can't look13:28
CoderCandyI was sitting at my desktop13:28
CoderCandyggabriel, michiel_l can't use the pully menu to update13:29
Pnuuggabriel: he has a pre-release software, version 0.98.x13:29
CoderCandyhe hase a pre-release thingie13:29
ggabrielok, sorry13:29
ggabrielshould have scrolled up :)13:29
ggabrieli have no idea how you got that release13:29
krnlyngPnuu: gives me authentification failed13:29
michiel_lno, your help is much appreciated13:29
ggabrielmichiel_l: if you bought the device like that, i'd email care@j.c13:30
ggabrielas there are no images out there (jolla can't distribute them)13:30
ggabrielin fact, i'm making a backup of mine just in case i break it :)13:30
michiel_lggabriel: it was shipped by Jolla staff to me as a gift.13:30
Pnuukrnlyng: and phone is updated to .12?13:30
krnlyngPnuu: yep13:30
Pnuuhmm13:30
phaeronkrnlyng: is it a jolla device ?13:30
phaeronmichiel_l: I'd still email care13:31
krnlyngphaeron: nope nokia n913:31
phaeronthere's your problem13:31
michiel_lOkay, will do so.13:31
michiel_lthanks ggabriel, all13:31
krnlyngi don't think the package contains any proprietary code, so i figured i'll ask here13:31
krnlyngphaeron: i am ordering as soon as my money is on paypal ;)13:31
michiel_lkrnlyng: it is a beautiful device, definitely recommended13:32
phaeronkrnlyng: merry xmas :)13:33
krnlyngthanks :)13:33
krnlyngyou too13:33
* phaeron goes to play FTL13:33
krnlyngso nobody wants to send me the package :'(?13:34
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matokingI read on together.jolla.com that there's a new version of the Android compatibility layer in testing13:52
matokingIs there a changelog for the update?13:52
matokingJust curious :P13:52
Venemokrnlyng: what package?13:52
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spider-mario<Venemo> what's the optimal way to keep a good battery life? should I mercilessly squeeze the battery empty?13:54
spider-marioquite the opposite13:54
spider-marioavoid that13:54
spider-mario(see http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table )13:56
spider-marioLithium-ion → Deep discharge wears the battery down13:56
Venemospider-mario: yes, that's what I've known too14:03
Venemospider-mario: however I've had some devices with li-ion batteries where discharging them mercilessly at least once helped14:04
spider-mariooh.14:04
spider-mariowas something like 5% not discharged enough?14:04
spider-mariodid it have to go all the way down to 0%?14:04
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krnlyngVenemo: libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel14:06
krnlyngVenemo: zypper fails to download it for some reason14:07
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ccha4I don't find zypper command14:08
ccha4where do you get zypper command ?14:08
krnlyngVenemo: pkcon --only-download install libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel14:09
Venemoccha4: pkcon is used in the jolla instead of zypper14:11
Venemokrnlyng: ah, you want the package from the jolla?14:11
krnlyngVenemo: yeah, would be cool14:11
Venemo:)14:12
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eyeahappy xmas to all14:17
Stskeepsmichiel_l: you should probably ask your jolla contact to send a new one or find a way to get it flashed to a production release14:17
michiel_lStskeeps: thanks. I've followed the advice of phaeron and send an email to care.14:20
michiel_lY'all have a great X-mas!14:20
michiel_lFamily arriving here, so going AFK.14:20
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krnlyngStskeeps: another question you might know an answer too :), would it be possible to use libhybris libcamera to support camera on n9 using the android drivers?14:35
krnlyngwith the rest being directly supported?14:36
krnlyngas it is now?14:36
Nicd-Venemo, spider-mario: a li-ion using device won't let you deep discharge the battery, it will shut down first, so there's no harm if you charge it afterwards (just don't leave it into storage empty). sometimes using them as much as the device allows helps calibrate the device's battery meter (this is recommended to be done from time to time on macbooks for example)14:39
VenemoNicd-: is this the case for the jolla?14:41
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shashmerry christmas everyone14:42
Nicd-Venemo: not allowing to be deep discharged? I would assume so14:42
spider-marioNicd- : when you say that it will shut down first: is it a hardware feature, or is it the OS that detects it should do so?14:43
Nicd-otherwise batteries would be regularly ruined14:43
shashi wanted to order a jolla phone from the store but something isn't clear14:43
shashhow do you ship the device?14:43
Nicd-spider-mario: don't know, maybe a combination14:43
spider-mariothen, isn’t there a risk that the battery is emptied before the shutdown is complete?14:43
shashi mean by regular mail or some shipping company (DHL, EMS and there likes)14:43
VenemoNicd-: sure, I'm saying, does it help the battery meter?14:43
Nicd-spider-mario: there's at least this: Deep discharge may short-circuit the cell, in which case recharging would be unsafe.[citation needed] To reduce these risks, lithium-ion battery packs contain fail-safe circuitry that shuts down the battery when its voltage is outside the safe range of 3–4.2 V per cell.14:44
Nicd-Venemo: I don't know about jolla. you can calibrate a macbook battery meter by completely using up the battery from full charge, then charging it back to full14:45
VenemoNicd-: okay14:46
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tbrshash: I think currently devices were being shipped by FedEx14:49
shashok good14:49
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Venemoshash: everyone I've heard of got it via fedex14:50
shashcoz the site wasn't clear about the sipping and i wouldnlt want to ship the device in regular mail14:50
ggabrielshash: unless you are in finland, it appears that the courier is fedex14:50
shashtbr Venemo ggabriel thanks for the quick answers14:51
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VenemoNicd-: is this a feature in the OS, or of the battery?14:53
HtheBguys, I need help with something 'android' related14:53
HtheBwhat exactly is the limit of android?14:53
HtheBcan an app write to /data/sdcard ?14:53
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SpeedEvilAs I understand it there is an issue with the runtime environment not following symlinks14:54
SpeedEvilSo, no14:54
HtheBhmm14:54
SpeedEvilThis however is second hand possibly misremembered info14:54
HtheBI tried to run some games14:55
HtheBbut gives me errors14:55
HtheBas in: can't get access to sdcard14:55
Venemoreport k14:55
Venemoreport it as a bug14:55
Nicd-Venemo: in the OS I think14:56
Venemoon http://together.jolla.com14:56
Nicd-Venemo: but I can't be sure14:56
HtheBVenemo: It's DosBox related14:56
HtheBI try to run some Dos games14:56
HtheBbut I can't get a game to work (Command and Conquer)14:56
HtheBdos4gw gives errors14:57
HtheBhang on, let me write you the error14:57
VenemoI have no clue about this at all14:58
Venemobut you should report it on together.jolla.com and I bet there'll be someone who can help14:58
HtheBStskeeps: are you there?14:59
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bennypr0fanein text input, I have trouble placing the cursor, when I don't want to select text, but just move the cursor to another position e.g. for correcting a typo. the font is just too small for hitting the exact spot with a finger. That zoom action perfectly solves this problem, but how can I zoom in without selecting text?15:02
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spider-mariobennypr0fane : my impression is that it will zoom in without selecting when you press where the cursor currently is then move quickly enough (no need to rush but don’t leave your finger on the cursor for too long before triggering the zoom)15:44
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Venemohm, together.jolla.com is really slow now16:19
Venemoand just for the record: in my book, a severe usability defect counts as a bug. feel free to redress it and retag as feature request but it's still a big nasty bug16:20
PnuuVenemo: works ok here16:22
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AJAX555after 5h 67% of battery remaining16:22
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AJAX555gotta say disabling that daemon certainly helped16:22
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krnlyngvgrade: would it be possible to use libhybris on our current sailfish setup to support the camera?16:26
krnlyngon n916:28
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M4rtinKwell, unless there is an Android driver for the N9 camera16:36
M4rtinKI would say pretty unlikely16:36
krnlyngi think there is?16:36
krnlyngor not?16:36
krnlyngdon't know about nitdroids state16:37
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eyeaJolla  jolla joh16:37
thessyhow can i configure rss feeds in 'tidings' app?16:38
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kontiothessy: if you swipe from left to right, you get to the settings16:39
kontiotook me also a moment to find it...16:39
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kontioeh sorry16:39
kontioright -> left16:39
thessyoh yes, thanx16:40
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thessydidnt try that gesture ;-)16:40
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spider-marioI find it a little strange that no badge is awarded for posting a question but that there’s one for edits16:42
spider-mario(on together.jolla.com)16:42
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HtheBguys, the problem that I have is this:16:43
HtheBhttp://htheb.com/list/images/dosbox.jpg16:43
HtheBhope someone can help me16:43
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zuttoHtheB: as those errors tell you, dosbox is unable to create swap file16:53
zuttocheck how you mounted your drives16:53
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parasemichmm, the facebook contact import seems a bit dodgy. most of my contacts work, but other just don't16:56
parasemicno idea why16:56
parasemicothers*16:56
parasemicwhile trying to send a message from their profile, most work just fine but some start a new message with "undefined" instead of Facebook16:58
parasemicand then i can't send any messages to some people but i receive them allright16:59
HtheBzutto: it's just17:00
HtheBmount c /data/sdcard17:00
HtheB(thats why I could see the files and games)17:01
PnuuHtheB: is there enough permissions (write access)?17:02
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zuttotry adding another mount, mount d /path/to/something -t cdrom17:02
HtheBPnuu: I dont know about write permission in 'android on sailfish'17:03
HtheBzutto: let me quickly try that17:03
zuttoyou also probably should make sure that dosbox runs in the group or is ran by same user as the one who owns the directory of the program you want to run on dosbox17:05
zutto(and then you could also try with chmod 777, just to make sure that the reason isnt that dosbox doesnt have rights for actually creating the swap file)17:06
HtheBany idea which dir I have to chmod?17:06
HtheBfirst method didnt work btw17:07
zuttothe applications directory you're trying to run17:07
HtheBok lets see17:07
HtheBI'll just do a17:07
HtheBchmod 777 /data/sdcard/*17:07
zuttoDont do that17:07
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Venemomeh17:07
Venemoran out of votes on together.jolla.com17:08
Pnuuhmm, wasn't there a problem with android apps not following symlinks?17:08
parasemicHtheB: how did you remove XT9? :p17:08
HtheBpkcon remove jolla-xt917:08
HtheBPnuu: cant we fix this by some command or something?17:08
Stskeepswhy would you remove that..17:08
PnuuHtheB: don't know, but Stskeeps here certainly knows ;-)17:09
HtheBStskeeps: because I hate the dictionary, and also because DosBox doesnt recognize the keys17:09
HtheBuntill you remove the dictionary17:09
HtheBStskeeps: check your PM17:10
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HtheBI gave you a link with DosBox to show you that the keyboard doesnt work17:18
Stskeepssmells like a bug17:21
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HtheBit does capture the 'numbers'17:22
HtheBbecause it's not detected by the xt917:22
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msknightHi FOlks,  If I have an apk file, where should I put it on the Jolla and how do I install it please?17:29
HtheBmsknight: told you already, doesnt matter!17:29
HtheBjust open it with any file manager17:30
msknightOK - so a suggestion for a file manager? Via the yandex store?17:30
HtheBno, Jolla store!17:30
Andy80does "Automatic update of date/time" work for you? I just realized my clock was behind of some hours :/ I've enabled auto sync now but it's still 14:05 (and here is 18:30)17:30
HtheBAndy80: coutry settings?17:31
HtheBcountry*17:31
msknightI've just got enough power to fire up my wi-fi, so I can SFTP files to the Jolla again.17:31
HtheBAndy80: and also, does your provider supports change date/time?17:31
Andy80HtheB: my original setup is UK, now I'm in Italy... even if it was a wrong country setting, the difference should be 1 hour, not 4,5 hours :P17:31
HtheBtrue true17:31
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HtheBjust double checking ;P17:32
Andy80HtheB: uhm... wait... no SIM inside at the moment.. isn't it supposed to read the time from an Internet timeserver?17:32
HtheBafaik, it checks the NETWORK time17:32
HtheBOperator17:32
Pnuuyeah, operator time17:32
Andy80my fault then, sorry :)17:33
Stskeepsmsknight: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Where_do_I_put_.apk_files17:33
FireFlymsknight: if you download an apk via jolla's web browser you can install it from the "transfers" view, or if you have it elsewhere you can use 'apkd-install' in the terminal17:34
Andy80another little question... I remember to have read somewhere that by default the volume of Android apps is a bit low and that there is an app to increase the volume... do you remember the name of this app?17:34
FireFlyOh.17:34
* FireFly noticed that's basically exactly what the elinux article said17:34
hardcodesHtheB What is meant by network time? The phone network operator? In Germany they tend to not send the time!17:35
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HtheBhardcodes: yes, then it wont work for you :P17:35
msknightWell, either this installs apps damn fast, or I'm doing something wrong.17:36
HtheBit doesnt work here on T-Mobile network, but it DOES work on Vodafone17:36
Stskeepshardcodes: it may mean NTP too, but i'm not sure if the public images has that17:36
Stskeepsmsknight: check app grid17:36
HtheB(Only if you're going online)17:36
msknight[nemo@localhost apk]$ apkd-install OpenScapeMobile_com.sen.osmo.apk17:36
msknightmethod return sender=:1.16 -> dest=:1.89 reply_serial=217:36
msknight   boolean true17:36
msknightWow. That's darn fast!!!!17:36
HtheBmsknight: yes, it installs in like 1-2 secs :D17:36
hardcodesStskeeps: I will look into it17:37
msknightI'm moments away from hooking Jolla up to my cloud telephony system!17:37
HtheBStskeeps: a popup showing a message: do you want to install XXX? yes/no  would be handy tough17:37
HtheBonce you've clicked on an apk or rpm file17:38
StskeepsHtheB: together.jolla.com sounds like a good place to register that. ; similarly to https://together.jolla.com/question/982/display-and-edit-android-apk-rights-when-installing-from-transfers/ perhaps17:39
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HtheBStskeeps: Voted! :)17:39
msknightHmm... how to handle wigets.17:40
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msknightCool. I'm getting there, but I'm having problems ... just minor stuff that isn't Jolla's fault.17:45
msknightCan't sign in to YouTube, and also I don't know how or what to do to add a widget, or where.17:46
msknightSt John ambulance app operates superbly. It is great to have that one, as I rely on it for reassurance if I have to attend an accident.17:46
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HtheB:)17:50
msknightOK - how do I sign in to YouTube, as it isn't letting me. Selecting sign in just results in a brief flash of the app, and then nothing.17:51
FireFlyIs this the android youtube app?17:52
msknightyes17:52
FireFlyHm, I get that too. Other choices work, though17:53
FireFlyin the same menu17:53
FireFlyDunno, I've only used it not-signed-in :p17:53
msknightI do a chunk of contributing and I use the mobile to upload.17:53
msknightstill, it isn't a biggy for now.17:53
msknightHow do I deal with creating a widget?17:54
Pnuumsknight: c++ and qml :-)17:55
PnuuI've started from https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/17:55
msknightc++ and qml! Well, that's me stuffed :-)17:55
Pnuudev talk is mostly on #sailfishos17:56
FireFlyWhat sort of widget?17:56
msknightWork keeps me too busy. I've got today and tomorrow, then I'm back on the job. Off for New year, then January contains loads of evening and weekend work, and then I'm on standby for most of February.17:56
HarhaanJohtajaprobably you have to install google apps, services or something like that if you want sign nin youtube17:56
msknightIt is a desktop widget for OpenScape .. the system that we use to control our cloud telephony system.17:57
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Stskeepsmsknight: you might pull it off if you install a launcher in android17:57
msknightUm ... ok ... how do I do that!17:57
msknightSorry to be a noob. If it was 6502 assembler I'd know where I was :-)17:58
FireFly:D17:58
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Stskeepsmsknight: how many registers do i have available to explain? ;)17:59
msknightI'm just trying to get the Jolla to where it can support me in my day to day ... and then report back with usability issues.17:59
Stskeepsmsknight: search one of the markets for launcher17:59
Stskeepsandroid ones, that is17:59
msknightStskeeps: depends on your architecture ... try BBC Micro model B :-)17:59
msknightI have three, and one with the 6502 co-pro, so I can play the executive version of Elite :-D18:00
msknightSomeone sold a cheese wedge with an Arm V1 unit in it ... it went for thousands.18:02
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msknightUseless to me, of course. I never had a co-pro when I was a teen, so I never did tube programming.18:03
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marcjis there som general problem with jolla store? or is it just my phone that doesn't work?18:05
msknightWhat's the problem marcj18:05
Stskeepsmarcj: have you at any point toyed with developer mode and 'developer updates' login/password there?18:05
ShadowJKmsknight: so are you working om elite port for jolla? :)18:06
msknightShadowJK: Nope, I'm currently just working on ... working for a living :-)18:06
ShadowJKaw18:06
marcji toyed with most options ncluding developer bit i don't i've manager to active it18:07
msknightShadowJK: I'm still waiting for the latest elite version to come out first. It has been promised for a while now, and I have the anniversary wallpapers18:07
AJAX555elite port?18:07
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msknightAJAX555: I have the distinction of being the more mature side of 40, so I grew up in the 8 bit era. Elite was a game ahead of its time.18:08
ShadowJKwell, fe2 and ffe are available as SDL port/hack, and pioneer is opengl i think18:08
AJAX555ah18:08
Stskeepsmarcj: okay, that may be why you've have store problems, do you have a terminal installed?18:08
marcjit just says "problem with store"18:08
marcjyes i got terminal18:08
msknightmarcj: Can you access other internet resources OK?18:08
marcjyes18:09
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Stskeepsmarcj: in there, type in: ssu domain sales18:09
Stskeepsand then power off the phone18:09
Stskeepsand turn it back on again18:09
Stskeepstry store then18:09
msknightThis is the BBC Micro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro18:10
marcjOK it gave me changing domain from jolla to såldes18:10
marcjsales that is18:11
Stskeepsgood18:13
marcjrebooted, but i still got the same problem18:13
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Stskeepsmarcj: ssu lr    in terminal18:14
marcjcorrection, i managed to in stall a new app but not to do a system update18:15
Stskeepsthat probably takes a little more time18:16
Stskeepsdo a pkcon refresh from terminal18:16
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marcjauthentication failed, is SSU set up correctly?18:18
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msknightHmm... interesting. Searching the store for launcher simply returns all the Jolla basic apps.18:24
Pnuumarcj: 20:14 < Stskeeps> marcj: ssu lr    in terminal18:26
msknight...and sygic dies on searching for GPS18:27
marcjssu lr gives a list of repos, too long to copy18:28
marcji'm chatting from different de vice18:29
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Stskeepsmsknight: no, in a android store :) like yandex18:32
Stskeepsor others18:32
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msknightOK - anything you recommend?18:33
Stskeepswell, see what you can find i guess18:33
Stskeepsi don't need widgets myself, so18:34
msknightOK - I'll take pot luck!18:34
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msknightWow, we're around 200 volts around here. Getting back to normal.18:37
msknightI can actually start my sound system - Woohoo!18:37
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HtheBStskeeps: any idea how we can make symlinks work?18:41
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tbrVenemo: apparently I was wrong and this supports the MfE active sync protocol somehow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarafa_%28software%2918:55
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Stskeepsoh nice19:00
HtheBStskeeps: got an answer to my question?19:01
Stskeepsnop19:04
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msknightHtheB: How do I get hold of apk files please? I'm after Go Launcher Ex but it doesn't want to download via Yandex (sigh)19:06
HtheByou need go launcher?19:07
msknightYup.19:07
Yanielheh the term 'Power Consumption Other Half' has apparently been coined on together.jolla.com19:12
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SpeedEvilOther Half Standby Hurting Idle Time.19:13
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msknightAnother noob question ... how do I elevate privs to root in ssh please?  Don't know the su password and nemo doesn't appear to be sudo'd19:15
stephgdevel-su19:16
stephgand the password is in system>developer tools19:16
Pnuuand the password is what you've set in the settings19:16
msknightThanks :-)19:16
stephg^that19:16
PnuuYaniel: PC-TOH19:17
Venemotbr: nice19:17
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msknightRight - time to watch Dr Who. Back in a short while.19:18
msknightThanks to all for the help. Much appreciated.19:18
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* stephg finds ag-tool, and that it's awesome, but also cryptic :/19:22
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jusicsis there a way to set a (periodical) timer to wake the system up from power saving mode/suspend? on the low userspace level, it seems that /dev/alarm should do the trick, but dmse/iphb holds access to it.19:51
tbrjusics: tried timed yet?19:52
tbrand yes in the long run iphb should be the way to go19:52
jusicsi've looked at com.nokia.time dbus service, but did not yet figure out how to use it :)19:53
jusicsok. i'm trying to improve measurement interval for battery consumption. without a wakeup timer, app processes run once in every ~25s19:55
jusicswhile in standby19:55
jusicsthanks for the pointer, i'll try the timed. from what I understand, at least it should give 1-3 secs delays at best which is already an improvement19:57
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Venemoguys20:08
Venemowhoever came up with the idea of the together.jolla.com site - I want to invite him for a beer!20:08
stephgheh20:08
Quummm beeer20:09
PnuuQuu: +120:11
Venemoor maybe even something more serious than just beer20:13
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stephgmore beer!20:15
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Venemo:D20:16
ZogG_laptopdrugs20:20
Venemotogether is the best idea jolla has ever invented so far - the second best are ambience + pulley menu20:20
Quui kinda dislike the ambience20:21
Quuwould be nice to be able to change wallpaper and colours20:21
Quunow its just too random and you cant have good colours on nice wallpaper20:21
Quuits always pink or something shit.20:21
Venemowhile I agree that more customization might be better, I disagree about shit - my colors are perfect20:22
ZogG_laptopand my device in box at friends house kilometers away :P20:23
Quuwell, i get randomly orange/white/brown on same picture, just rezised diffrently20:24
ZogG_laptopQuu: what you mean randomly?20:25
ZogG_laptopwhen you switch to other and than switch back?20:25
Quuno20:25
Quusame picture, resized 3 pixels apart20:25
Quuget diffrent colours on 4 of "same" picture20:25
Venemowhat I kind of like is that algorithm is smart enough to pick colours that are readable in front of the background20:26
ZogG_laptopso jolla together is new registration?20:26
StskeepsZogG_laptop: jolla.com logins20:26
ZogG_laptopyeah but it asks for email and nickname again20:26
Stskeepsprobably just stuff it can't get over oauth20:27
ZogG_laptopAard: ping20:31
AardZogG_laptop: pong20:31
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ZogG_laptopAard: i was checking jolla togher and somehow found myself stalking you20:33
ZogG_laptopprobably i'm in love20:33
ZogG_laptopand i saw your answer about SIP integraton20:33
ZogG_laptopintegration*20:33
Chaz6Speaking of voip, any interest in TRIP?20:33
ZogG_laptopTRIP?20:33
Chaz6telephony routing over ip20:33
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Chaz6see also isn, itad20:34
ZogG_laptopChaz6: mind to link?20:34
Chaz6http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3219.txt20:35
Chaz6registry is here http://www.iana.org/assignments/trip-parameters/trip-parameters.xhtml20:35
AardZogG_laptop: and? :)20:36
Chaz6also see http://freenum.org/cookbook/20:36
ZogG_laptopAard: so first of all i wnated to know what exacly is missing in accounts and is telephapy rakia is sip stack?20:36
Aardtelepathy-rakia are the sip bits for telepathy. we need the glue that allows you to set up an account and handle presence like for xmpp20:37
Aardand we need to make the dialer read those account info20:37
ZogG_laptopbut dialer to initiate dial right?20:38
HtheBwho wants to have some awesome launcher? :)20:38
VenemoI dumped every bug and annoying detail I found to the together site20:38
Venemoalmost 8% of all threads there are mine :D20:38
AardZogG_laptop: yes. plus there might be some sound policy issues left. we made a successful call over a year ago, but sound policy changed a bit since then20:39
ZogG_laptopAard: who is responsible for SIP protool — rakia?20:39
Aard?20:40
ZogG_laptopsip protocol20:40
ZogG_laptop*20:40
Aardtp-rakia uses sofia-sip20:40
VenemoZogG_laptop: answering here instead of twitter: do not worry, BB10 version or IRC Chatter is also coming, together with the sailfish version20:41
Aardso basically the glue between telepathy and sofia-sip20:41
ZogG_laptopAard: oh it's used by freeswitch20:41
ZogG_laptopasterisk switched to pjsip20:42
ZogG_laptopand i worked a little bit with pjsip myself20:42
ZogG_laptopVenemo: i hope you are not ver excited with jolla so you would postpone it :P20:42
ZogG_laptopAard: ad dialer has api for tp ?20:43
AardZogG_laptop: currently the dialer is going through tp-ring20:43
VenemoZogG_laptop: most of the code for the two platforms are going to be th same. the only difference is that for the SailFish version I'm gonna write a Silica UI20:43
ZogG_laptopi mean if for example i want to integrate other method/lib would i need to go thru tp to get to dialer?20:43
ZogG_laptopVenemo: i an test/ translate both as always20:44
AardZogG_laptop: yes20:44
ZogG_laptop:(20:44
Aardit's easier to use a maintained upstream project than doing interfaces for each protocol we want to support ourselves20:45
VenemoZogG_laptop: thank you :)20:45
ZogG_laptopso it's or reinventing the wheel by making something like tp-rakia to lib/integration i want or to use specific lib20:45
VenemoZogG_laptop: it's probably going to get into a testable shape by the weekend20:45
ZogG_laptopAard: at least i hope it's up2date20:45
ZogG_laptopAard: what about webrtc?20:45
AardZogG_laptop: no idea20:47
ZogG_laptopAard: http://hookflash.com/platform/open-peer-sdk/20:48
ZogG_laptopi see ios and bb10 using this20:48
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msknightHi HtheB - many thanks for the launcher20:51
HtheB;D20:51
HtheBdid you just download it?20:51
HtheBbeacuse it's JUST uploaded20:51
HtheBeheh20:51
msknightYes, and installed it, and tried to get a widget to work. Unfortunately, "unsuported action"20:51
msknightAlso YOuTube gave the same problem on trying to log in.20:52
msknight*sigh* Don't know where to go next.20:52
HtheBim logged in20:52
HtheBon youtube20:52
msknightHow!20:52
msknightTell! Tell! ... pleeeeease!20:52
HtheBand also, enable the '3d' on the preferences20:52
HtheByou will be amazer20:52
HtheBamazed20:52
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ZogG_laptopwhat launcher?20:53
HtheBZogG_laptop: Next launcher 3D20:54
HtheB(android)20:54
msknightYouTube is still not ... hang on .. I'll reboot the phone.20:54
HtheByou need to put playstore on it20:54
HtheBto make it work20:54
msknightOh! I've been trying to avoid that.20:55
HtheBi dont know if t has something to do with20:55
HtheBbecause it just worked by my side...20:55
HtheBfunny, I DONT wnat to log in on youtube20:55
HtheBhaha20:55
HtheBZogG_laptop: check pm20:55
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msknightNope - reboot didn't work. Will install app store. Hope I don't brick the phone. I'm a long way from Finland20:57
Aardmsknight: what did you break? :)20:57
HtheBcheck out on my website20:58
HtheBfor the tutorial and the needed files20:58
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* Stskeeps puts eglibc on fire20:59
* Quu farts20:59
* stephg gets a beer21:00
* msknight is tickled pink that init 6 works on a mobile phone!21:02
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SpeedEvil:)21:02
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ZogG_laptop:P21:03
ZogG_laptopnight21:03
tbrmsknight: which just loops into some sort of systemd compat mode, but yeah ;)21:03
msknightDamn it - it worked!  Had to remove and re-install it via the play store, but it worked!21:10
msknightOK - now for a GPS navigation system. Now that I've got Play installed, any suggestions? Already trying sygic but it doesn't want to play.21:11
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Quuyou need to manually copy the mapfiles21:12
Quuthen it works21:12
Quuso erh, kinda need to pirate the maps for it21:12
msknightI had the map files, but it would go to start the gps and then die.21:12
Quuhmm21:12
Quuworks for me21:12
Quualso, need to give read/write to those files21:13
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ibinsStskeeps: You discussed and compared glibc, uclibc and eglibc when building sailfishOS? Or was is inevitable to use the one you use now?21:19
msknightI take it that the "Here" maps only does turn by turn and doesn't do GPS?21:27
Stskeepsibins: long story short: we try to align as well as we can with linaro toolchain21:29
Stskeepsibins: it makes sure that most compiler/toolchain related bugs are similar21:29
Stskeepsthat means linaro gcc, and eglibc21:29
ibinsStskeeps: Hm, sounds like "Eat or die" ;-)21:30
Stskeepswe don't really employ a team full of compiler/toolchain experts :)21:30
Stskeepsso this is our way of going cheap21:31
ibinsBe grateful for that. They are .... difficult :-)21:31
Stskeeps(we do have -some- people that know what they're doing..)21:33
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ibinsno doubts about that. You proved it with a working device! Congrats and my ful respects again!21:36
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Pnuumsknight: there's gps support, but no navigation at the moment on jolla21:37
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Stskeepswell, there's routes21:47
ShadowJKhm, as for all-family communal speaker system, ipad sounds pretty much unbeatable21:47
* ShadowJK sort of missed that...21:47
msknightOK - got google navigation working. Now all I need is to get a widget for OpenScape working on a launcher. SO far all launchers give "unsupported action" when trying to add the widget21:48
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ortylpmsknight: "Here" maps do absolutely NOTHING except showing you current GPS position on a map (which gets downloaded over data connection if you have one)  and allows some POI search21:50
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HtheBmsknight: sygic works fine .... :)21:51
Stskeepsortylp: well, that's not entirely true..21:55
pdanekNo news of keyboard-half yet?21:55
Stskeepsthere's directions too21:55
ortylpStskeeps: anything that would work as car navigation?21:56
Stskeepsortylp: i successfully got to the warehouse with it, but, it won't work as a car moutn for sure21:57
AJAX555yeah keyboard other half would be awesome21:57
Stskeepsjust had directions21:57
ortylpHtheB: sygic must not get ANY support from Maemo community because of the N900 fiasco.21:58
HtheBI dont care21:58
HtheBgive me a better alternative then :)21:58
HtheB(ok, TomTom)21:58
HtheBwhat else21:58
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ortylpHtheB: we had this discussion already (Skobbler, OSMAND)21:59
HtheBwe? no...21:59
ortylpHtheB: yes, we :D22:00
HtheBnever heard of those before :/22:00
HtheByou didn't do this conv. with me then22:00
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ortylpHtheB: yep, sorry, you are right.22:04
AL13N_lizzythis OSMAND, is this a OSM based thing?22:05
HtheBI guess so :P22:05
HtheBortylp: sygic is still the most polished22:05
HtheBnext to tomtom22:05
pcfeNow this "[pcfe@desktop Jolla]$ git clone nemo@jolla:.vault vault" is the slickest thing I have done with a phone in a long while. Thanks Jolla, you rock!22:06
ortylpHtheB: Both use commercial map providers22:06
AL13N_lizzyis together slow or is it just me?22:06
AL13N_lizzyor even down?22:06
Aardpcfe: note that pictures are not part of the git repo22:06
PnuuAL13N_lizzy: up and running22:07
pcfeAard: thanks for the heads up, but if they were I would have tried to gitignore them on the Jolla side22:07
Aard:)22:07
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Pnuu-> Z22:08
AJAX555has anyone reported on how the phone doesn't always link with computer when connected with usb?22:08
AL13N_lizzyok, i got in, odd DNS issue maybe22:08
AL13N_lizzyhmm, 100 karma from just one post22:09
pcfeAJAX555: https://together.jolla.com/question/709/bug-usb-pc-connection-on-mint/ maybe?22:11
AJAX555pcfe: not really, just sometimes doesn't show up at all in "my computer"22:12
AJAX555sometimes need to re-plugin it22:12
pcfeAJAX555: "my computer" on Windows, OS X, Ubuntu, Fedora, ... ?22:12
AJAX555w722:13
pcfeI'd open a separate question at together.j.c then, having 'Windows' in the title22:14
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pcfeif you are comfortable pulling logs on w7, that probably helps (I for one have no idea about Win, I'm a Linux person)22:14
AJAX555I prefer linux too, but sadly world prefers windows22:15
AJAX555well, wont write about it now, since it's 00.15 now22:15
AJAX555also I think I'm going to test with multiple computers before doing anything.. this computer is rather old anyway22:16
pcfethat was not the question ;-) are you comfortable extracting a log file from your win7 that startes just before you plug your jolla in and ends a short while after you are convinced it will not show up?22:16
AJAX555or well, laptop22:16
HtheBortylp: so?22:16
AJAX555mm, I will have to see if I can find those logs somewhere22:17
ortylpHtheB: if it does not matter for you, then really nothing.22:18
HtheBok :P22:18
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pcfeAard: to be precise, /home/nemo/Pictures/Camera is excluded, but the rest that I had in /home/nemo/Pictures is there22:39
AL13N_lizzyanyone else thinking that pinning covers can be a great idea: https://together.jolla.com/question/1044/pinning-coversapps/ ?22:47
Venemono, that'd be quite inconsistent22:48
Quuyes.22:48
AL13N_lizzyi also noted my views on TOH management (in relation to security) https://together.jolla.com/question/1050/link-allprevious-changes-to-toh/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/1061/keychain-linked-to-toh/22:48
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AL13N_lizzythe together thing looks great, but i sense alot of "unanswered" posts where it becomes unfindable and difficult wrt duplicates... perhaps a mix of latest and upvoted things should be shown by default on the unanswered link?22:50
Morpog_PCcopying ~8,6GB to my SDCard inside my Jolla via SSH via USB22:55
Morpog_PCabout 5.000 KiB/s22:55
Morpog_PCcould be faster22:56
petantikwhat class sd card Morpog_PC ?22:58
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Morpog_PCpetantik, UHS-I22:58
petantikMorpog_PC: should be able to get about double that maximally22:59
Morpog_PCcard description days 80MB/s read and 50MB/s write22:59
Morpog_PCsays22:59
AL13N_lizzyusb bandwidth cannot get that high23:00
Chaz6All lies23:00
AL13N_lizzy480mbit USB-II23:00
AL13N_lizzytheorethically 60MB/s23:00
Morpog_PCshould be that one: http://geizhals.de/sandisk-extreme-microsdhc-32gb-sdsdqx-032g-u46a-a972986.html23:01
AL13N_lizzyif you want write/read speed you're gonna need to test it locally23:01
Morpog_PCyeah, don't have a decent card reader here23:01
AL13N_lizzyor on device itself (like transfer from local chip to SD)23:06
KabouikGuys, I have two problems with my SDXC (64 GB ext4): 1. it doesn't mount automatically; and 2. when I manually mount it, I don't know how to paste files to it through SFTP23:07
KabouikWhat should I do?23:07
petantikif the sd card contains pics, does the gallery automatically pick it up?23:07
Morpog_PCkabouik, you can find the scdard there:23:07
KabouikOh yes, and 3. how to make the Jolla native apps get pics/videos/music from there?23:08
Morpog_PC"/run/user/100000/media/sdcard"23:08
Kabouik/run/user/100000/media/sdcard Morpog_PC, right? But nemo has no write privilege here23:08
Morpog_PCsure it has23:08
Morpog_PCi copy atm with nemo user files to it23:09
KabouikThrough sftp I get errors if I recall correctly23:09
KabouikLet me try again23:09
Morpog_PCI do it via sftp23:09
Morpog_PCbut it's automounted, as it's fat3223:09
KabouikAnd so it mounts automatically from /dev/mmcblk1p1 to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard at each boot?23:10
Morpog_PCdunno, it's just there after i put my card in :D23:10
KabouikI had to format it to ext3 to use the 64 GB (exFAT does not support that size, and there is no mkfs vfat function in Jolla, and the Jolla is my only card reader so no choice)23:11
AL13N_lizzychem|st: do you have a IRC log about the security talks here?23:11
Morpog_PCAL13N_lizzy, you can read the log23:12
Morpog_PCAL13N_lizzy, http://www.merproject.org/logs/23:12
Kabouik(Got to go, my eggs are ready sorry, be right back after the meal!)23:12
AL13N_lizzyMorpog_PC: yes, but... do you have timestamps?23:13
Morpog_PCnope23:13
AL13N_lizzy:-( i missed it, (i saw this in together somewhere)23:13
Morpog_PCwell, search for it, not much logs available for #jollamobile23:14
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chem|stAL13N_lizzy: logs are somewhere on jollamobile or sailfishos23:50
chem|sthow do I get disappeared ambiences back23:51
nanderWho came up with the way the ambience works? It looks stunning ;)23:59
chem|stthe preinstalled ambiences seem to be deleted from device23:59
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ggabrielchem|st: did you uninstall the tutorial?23:59

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