#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2013-12-24

SpeedEvilIt's required for certain chat sites alas.00:00
HtheBfound it: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/archive/android/11.1.115.81/install_flash_player_ics.apk00:01
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M4rtinKBTW, anyone found out how to access the uSD card from Android apps ?00:02
M4rtinKlooks like they can't get to it due to permissions & don't follow symlinks00:03
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HtheBflash works!!!00:05
HtheB\:D/00:05
SpeedEvilIn firefox?"00:05
Morpog_Jollasure why not00:05
HtheByeah00:05
SpeedEvil:)00:05
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HtheBShadowJK: just grab the latest apk file (link above) and it works with Firefox :)00:07
HtheBtoo bad Opera Classic doesn't work :(00:07
HtheBcrashes when trying to run it00:07
HtheBIMO the Classic Opera (not mini!) has a better experience00:07
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bennypr0fanehey everyone, I was wondering if I can cut my old normal-sized SIM-card to micro size for use in the Jolla. If so, how do I make sure I don't ruin it?00:07
HtheBbennypr0fane: you can00:08
M4rtinKHtheB: yeah, would really like a working opera00:08
HtheBthere are tutorials on youtube00:08
bennypr0faneHtheB have you tried both Opera Classic and Mini on Jolla?00:08
M4rtinKHtheB: mostly due to the fit-text-to-screen feature00:08
HtheBM4rtinK: there is 1 working, the "Opera Mobile" (newest one)00:08
HtheBbennypr0fane: mini not, the 'default' one yes00:08
HtheBbut Opera Classic is what I was aiming for00:09
HtheB(the one that is also available for N9 and N90000:09
HtheB11 or 1200:09
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HtheBcan we figure out what the problem might be?00:12
bennypr0faneHtheB Opera Mobile 12 (not classic afaik) on N900 used to be a bit unstable00:12
HtheBbennypr0fane: yeah00:12
bennypr0fanewhich is way some people rolled it back to 1100:12
HtheBbut I'm using the N950 a lot more for browsing00:12
bennypr0fane*why00:12
bennypr0faneis 12 better on Meego?00:12
HtheByup00:12
HtheB100%00:13
bennypr0fanecool00:13
HtheBonly had 1 crash in my entire usage of over a year00:13
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bennypr0faneOpera is my favorite browser of all times anyways, it's simply the classiest, most polished one (so there's a good reason to call it classic)00:14
HtheBbennypr0fane: it's called like that in the Play Store:p00:14
bennypr0fanebut I have shifted to camp Firefox00:14
M4rtinKyeah, classic was before the webkit/blink trainwreck00:14
nandermessage beeps stop music and are a lot louder than music00:15
HtheBM4rtinK: yes exactly00:15
HtheBI was hoping to see Snowshoe...00:15
HtheBbut it seems that it;s gone now?00:15
bennypr0fanehas anyone ever done the MicroSIM cutting thingy? if so, did you use a template?00:15
HtheBbennypr0fane: told you, youtube!00:15
Turskinander: yep, it's quite annoying00:15
HtheBit's very easy00:15
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HtheBor go to your nearest phone shop, most of them has a special cutter (like we do in our Vodafone shop)00:16
M4rtinKHtheB: BTW, any links for the new Opera ?00:16
HtheBM4rtinK: Play Store00:16
M4rtinKon opera.com, it just points to the Play store00:16
bennypr0faneinstalling Playstore is now more of a hack than a legitimate install on SfOS, right?00:16
HtheBhow can I download the APK of an installed app?00:16
HtheB(over playstore)00:16
M4rtinKwell, don't want to install that one :)00:17
HtheBM4rtinK: yeah, I understand it00:17
Turskibennypr0fane: you will probably get µSIM for free from your operator00:17
M4rtinKwell, I think there was a trick for downloading free apps to desktop00:17
HtheBah00:17
HtheByeah00:17
HtheBbluestacks00:17
bennypr0faneTurski that will be a wait of some days, so I'm considering now if I want to wait or cut00:17
M4rtinKor maybe extracting the APK from a rooted Android device with Play store00:17
bennypr0faneI'll be leaving my hands off Playstore as well00:18
Turskibennypr0fane: i would use µSIM vutter if i wanted to cut it...00:18
Turskicutter*00:18
bennypr0faneTurski that some sort of special device?00:18
Turskibennypr0fane: but google is full of instructions to do that00:18
bennypr0faneyes, watching some on YT just now00:19
Turskihttp://www.amazon.com/Micro-SIM-Cutter-Converter-adapters/dp/B003UEWF8I00:19
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HtheBM4rtinK...00:19
HtheBdownloading opera apk for you :)00:21
M4rtinKHtheB: thanks! :)00:22
bennypr0faneHtheB oooh, can you post it?00:23
HtheBnp00:23
HtheBM4rtinK: check your pm00:23
HtheBis hosting (non pirated) apps for jolla users illegal?00:25
HtheBi mean, the apk files00:25
bennypr0faneHtheB it's probably illegal for everyone else, but obviously not for Jolla users00:29
HtheB:D00:29
bennypr0faneprobably better not to post alink publicly00:29
bennypr0fanebut you could pm it to me :-D00:29
ortylpM4rtinK: I have heard, that you can mount sd card with -bind option for that, I have not tested it yet.00:33
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bennypr0faneIs Sygic navigation free? I saw Navfree recommended00:37
HtheBno its not00:37
bennypr0faneI have a hard time figuring out the Jolla store. I can't find a list of available apps or categories. I can only see what others liked or do a text search00:41
Morpog_Jollaswipe right00:41
bennypr0faneMorpog_Jolla, ah didn't spot the little white dot up there00:43
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bennypr0fanehow awsome is it we already have an mpd remote and a Dropbox client!00:44
Morpog_Jolla:)00:45
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Morpog_Jollaharmattan and fremaantle devs rox00:45
HtheBsailfish devs not?00:45
bennypr0faneHtheB no, they suck00:46
Morpog_Jollathey are those00:46
bennypr0fane:-D00:46
Frye_Nah. Ppl like me who are not even developers...00:46
Frye_And claim to be one :D00:46
Morpog_Jollathat samegame is col00:46
Morpog_Jollacool00:46
Morpog_Jollajust needs sounds00:47
julien_hi everyone00:47
Morpog_Jollahi00:47
Frye_Yeah, nees sounds.00:47
Frye_There is a fix release on QA atm00:47
Morpog_Jollagreat00:47
Frye_It currently eats cpu cycles when it's on background00:47
bennypr0fanebut seriously, I didn't expect *these* apps to be her already, but I did expect a bunch more of them to be ported over at least from Meego by the time of release00:47
Frye_The particle system does not shut down properly00:47
julien_I come tonight because  I have a bootloop with my jolla00:47
julien_is there anyone for helping me out?00:48
Frye_I'm not sure at this time.00:48
bennypr0fanejulien_, give it a try00:48
Frye_I cannot help for sure =(00:48
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Morpog_Jollastskeeps00:48
julien_bennypr0fane: great :)00:48
julien_I know Stskeeps could00:49
julien_but it is late00:49
julien_I was in developer mode connected to my PC in MTP00:49
Morpog_Jollait's never too lateto poke stskeeps00:49
julien_and when unmounting connection from nautilus (ubuntu)00:49
julien_nautilus crashed00:49
julien_and jolla rebooted00:50
julien_but it's again and again00:50
julien_bootloop00:50
julien_so I don't know what to do00:50
Morpog_Jollabattery was low?00:50
julien_~40% if I remember well00:50
Morpog_Jollaok00:51
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Morpog_Jollatry tomorrow better again00:52
julien_Yes but Christmas time is not the best time for it00:53
Morpog_Jollasure00:53
julien_I'm a bit disappointed00:53
julien_I received it just today00:53
Morpog_Jollaargh00:53
Morpog_Jollatried to remove battery?00:53
bennypr0faneI find the Jolla easily mistakes the onset of a horizontal gesture for a vertical one00:53
bennypr0fanejulien_ try a wipe and re-setup?00:54
bennypr0fanesurely you won't have a lot of importatnstuff on there yet...00:54
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Morpog_Jollahe cant boot00:54
julien_it doesn't boot so can I do it?00:54
bennypr0faneoh, right. sorry00:54
julien_I just find the fastboot mode00:54
Morpog_Jollatry battery00:54
julien_it said ERROR: Invalid boot image header00:55
bennypr0faneyes, battery can sometimes jumpstart some devices00:55
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julien_fullcharging my battery could solve it? I have a serious doubt00:56
lbtjulien_: hmm00:57
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lbtjulien_: that sounds tricky to fix. You need to talk to Stskeeps I think.01:00
julien_I think so01:00
bennypr0fanedo I need to enable dev mode to get a terminal?01:00
lbtjulien_: can you make sure you send an email to care@jolla.com ... tell them what happened and tell them you've been told to talk to Stskeeps01:00
HtheBbennypr0fane: yes01:00
julien_someone here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92119got the same problem and Stskeepssolved it01:00
lbthe *may* be around tomorrow01:01
julien_nice idea lbt01:01
lbt*nod* he's not written it up yet01:01
bennypr0faneI want to 1. disable the NFC chip and 2. to install jolla-filemanager01:01
julien_Yes I used developer mode for shutting down nfc01:01
lbtfrom what you said it sounds unlikely that the device battery is low but you should put it on charge overnight01:02
lbtbennypr0fane: yes you need to enable dev mode01:02
lbtjulien_: do your best to write down what you did; tonight before you forget :)01:03
bennypr0fanedo I see more apps in the store then, or will the terminal just be there after restart?01:03
lbtbennypr0fane: the terminal (and ssh) will be there01:03
bennypr0fanehahlo, there it is01:04
bennypr0faneawesome01:04
bennypr0faneah first app i see with portrait mode01:04
lbtyep - you can now set a nemo passwd and ssh in or use terminal. You can use devel-su for root01:04
lbtbennypr0fane: gallery has it too01:04
julien_thanks lbt :)01:05
bennypr0faneI'm sorta disappointed the OS UI is pretty much portrait-only01:05
bennypr0fanewow, that is one tiny little font in the terminal01:06
bennypr0fanehow do I set a password?01:06
lbtsettings -> dev mode01:07
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julien_good night people01:18
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julien_I'll be back on tomorrow so01:18
ShadowJKwhoah, does stuff get killed if there's more than 4 things open?01:19
ShadowJKthink I lost a filetransfer :o)01:20
bennypr0faneShadowJK, no wayyyy, this is not Android, is it?01:21
ShadowJKmaybe fluke gesture01:21
ShadowJKyeah probably, because now I have 5 things01:22
bennypr0faneis there any way to make the font bigger in terminal?01:22
petantikbennypr0fane: in fingerterm, there's a menu at the top right you can tap.01:25
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HtheBanyone still here?02:08
w00tno02:09
w00tzzzz02:09
HtheBdoes anyone know where the 'MyDocs' in the alien dalvik?02:09
HtheB('sdcard' in android language)02:09
covoxHtheB: /data/sdcard?02:09
HtheBcovox: thnx!02:10
covoxyou need to crack open developer mode to get there :P02:10
HtheBfirst thing I've done ;)02:10
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HtheBdosbox works perfect :)02:12
HtheBwell.. with 1 terrible problem02:13
covoxHtheB: you built dosbox? nice02:13
HtheBno..02:13
HtheBapk shut02:13
HtheBashit*02:13
HtheBapk shit*02:13
covoxoh right02:13
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covoxwhat kind of terrible problem02:14
HtheBit detects numbers02:14
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HtheBthe enter button and stuff02:14
HtheBit detects all key strokes, but NOT the  normal characters :(02:14
HtheBso I cant type anything02:15
covoxdang02:15
HtheBi can type numbers and symbols02:15
HtheBI have a solution for that though02:15
HtheBedit the config file02:15
HtheB:P02:15
HtheBthats how I started a game02:15
HtheBoh by the way, i see that anDosBox has an 'external' command prompt02:17
HtheB(as in type before you start DosBox02:17
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covoxlooks like there's a few android ports02:19
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HtheBbest one is anDosBox02:22
HtheBmade a video comparison some time ago02:22
HtheBhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIy4DQY4aFA02:22
covoxdosbox turbo? they seem to have done some work re. controls02:26
HtheBandosbox still beats them02:26
HtheBin every way02:26
HtheBthats why it's a payed app02:26
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HtheB(after paying, you can get the sources)02:26
HtheBbut it seems like I cant get Command&Conquer to work02:27
covoxI was wondering about that, you can't seem to get the source code anywhere02:27
HtheBgives me some "swap" error02:27
HtheBcovox: yes you can02:27
HtheBonly after paying02:27
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covoxHtheB: has anyone tried?02:32
covoxthe DOSBox developers don't seem to hold him in high regard02:32
HtheBnot that I know of02:32
HtheBI dont care02:33
HtheBas long as its working02:33
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HtheBand all other dosbox apps dont....02:33
covoxwell, by your own admission turbo wasn't that good :P02:33
HtheByes02:33
HtheBI'm talking about anDosBox02:33
HtheBanDosBox is the best02:34
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covoxhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1123053&postcount=73902:39
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HtheBcovox: ah I see the problem02:56
HtheBit's because of the stupid auto dictionary!02:56
HtheBis there a way to turn this off?02:56
HtheBI know that conversation, look below ho replies :)02:57
HtheBoh and look also to WHOM he replies to :)02:57
smokexyou could remove xt902:57
HtheBsmokex: oh please tell me how!02:58
smokexzypper or that other package manager02:58
HtheBpkcon remove xt9 ?02:58
smokexthink that was it02:58
HtheBno package found02:58
HtheBdo you know what the name of it is02:59
smokexhow about jolla-xt902:59
HtheB<302:59
HtheBrebooting device02:59
smokexcool :)02:59
HtheBi've booted Windows 3.102:59
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HtheBjust for lols02:59
smokexlol03:00
HtheBNext Win9503:00
HtheBWORKS!03:00
smokex:)03:00
HtheBfinally :) !03:00
HtheBThanks man03:00
HtheBDosbox with keyboard contrl03:01
HtheBsmokex: any idea how to remove the bar03:02
HtheBwhere the xt9 was?03:02
HtheBtakes up useless space03:03
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smokexnot sure what you're talking about03:07
smokexit's probably a QCompleter03:08
smokex?03:08
HtheBthe place where the 'dictionary' was, is now empty03:09
HtheBand by empty, i mean a black space where the words were03:09
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krnlynghow would i install sailfish on a android device? is it ready yet?06:33
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Venemomorning07:32
CraigAits 2:37 am here07:35
Venemo8:37 here07:37
Quudickbutts07:38
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VenemoQuu ?07:39
Quuhttp://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/197/0/b/Dick_Butt_by_beyx.png07:40
Venemolol07:41
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CraigAlol07:50
CraigAas far as formatting for this new 64gb microsd i bought for my Jolla, is it best to go with btrfs?07:50
VenemoCraigA: I went for ext4 with mine07:50
VenemoCraigA: but yes, btrfs should work too07:51
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Pnuu11 h idling with tohd stopped, 4 % battery of battery consumed08:10
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StskeepsPnuu: is that more of what you as a consumer expect?08:11
Pnuuwith tohd enabled it was approx 20 %08:11
Pnuuyeah, even better I would've wished :-)08:12
PeperJohnnyPnuu: do you need to stop tohd only?08:14
PnuuI had mobile data on, but no active connections08:14
PnuuPat_o: yes, only that08:14
PeperJohnnyok will try it. Thanks =)08:14
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PnuuPeperJohnny: ^08:14
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AL13N_lizzy11h idling usage 20% seems fair to me08:30
AL13N_lizzyof course, if tohd does have such an effect, it would be nice if power usage can be lessened08:30
Stskeepsof course08:30
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AL13N_lizzyi wonder if tohd is stopped that the tag on TOH can be read by another reader08:31
AL13N_lizzyie: if this means the internal reader is turned off08:31
AL13N_lizzyi was thinking if it was enought to start the reader only if that TOH detector thing is changed status08:32
_Razor_2%/9h, tohd stopped08:32
AL13N_lizzythat pin thing that sticks out from TOH08:32
Milo-systemctl disable tohd.service didn't actually disable tohd from starting at boot.08:33
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AL13N_lizzywell, of course not08:33
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AL13N_lizzysystemctl disable tohd.service would do that08:34
PnuuMilo-: for that you need systemctl mask tohd.service08:34
Milo-well. systemctl *disable* is supposed to do that.08:34
Milo-Pnuu oh.08:34
AL13N_lizzyit's systemctl, right08:34
* AL13N_lizzy is a mageia contributor and we've been using systemctl since 2 years or so08:34
Milo-AL13N_lizzy now I'm confused, you repeated the same command as "of course not" and "would do that"08:34
AL13N_lizzyoh, i mistyped, "stop" stops it08:35
AL13N_lizzy"disable" doesn't start at boot, but can be started by other systemctl services/hardware/sockets/udev/etc...08:35
Milo-yes.. but I said. "disable", because that's supposed to disable boot-services from starting at boot.08:35
AL13N_lizzyit does, but it can still be started by others as dependencies or wantedby08:36
AL13N_lizzyor hardware stuff08:36
Milo-ah.08:36
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Milo-dependencies, what a load of bollocks and biscuits.08:36
AL13N_lizzyi don't have a Jolla, so i donno, but you can find ot08:36
AL13N_lizzyalso "systemd-analyze plot > file.svg"08:36
AL13N_lizzycan anyone do this? and post the svg file?08:37
Milo-let's see08:37
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AL13N_lizzyMilo-: in any parallel (read' fast')08:37
Pnuuhmm08:37
Pnuuhttp://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/23/source-of-battery-drain-nfc-always-on-solution/08:37
AL13N_lizzybootup sequence, dependencies are a must08:37
Tofemorning08:37
Pnuuthat page says that *disable* should disable it at boot08:37
AL13N_lizzyPnuu: it does08:37
Pnuuoh, yeah, other processes08:38
AL13N_lizzyit just can be started by others08:38
Milo-AL13N_lizzy no such command08:38
AL13N_lizzyah, they didn't package it08:38
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Pnuuhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html08:38
Pnuuin comments there is the *mask* version08:38
Tofetoday, I tried the alarm proposed by Clock; I must say it is not really intuitive08:38
ortylpAL13N_lizzy: -bash: systemd-analyze: command not found08:39
AL13N_lizzyis there a way to find files in packages?08:39
AL13N_lizzylike apt-file search? or urpmf?08:39
AL13N_lizzybut for Jolla?08:39
Tofepkcon list ?08:39
AL13N_lizzyisn't that the package listing? not a file search?08:39
AL13N_lizzyah, gtg bbl08:40
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TofeI think there's an option for that too, but I don't have an shell near me08:40
Milo-yeah... I really need that usb-modem kernel module.08:41
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ortylp AL13N_lizzy: there is "search [name|details|group|file] [data]" and "get-files [package]"08:42
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ortylpTofe: you need to be awake to use it :D08:43
Hartzi[nemo@localhost ~]$ /sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblkp108:44
Hartzi-bash: /sbin/mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory08:44
Hartzidoes anyone know whats wrong?08:45
locusfroot08:46
PnuuHartzi: add devel-su08:46
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Hartzistill doesn't work08:47
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Pnuuah, there really isn't mkfs.vfat08:48
Pnuuls /sbin/mkfs*08:49
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Hartzifuu08:50
Hartzihow do i create the filesystem if there's no mkfs.vfat? :|08:50
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pp_dosfstools?-)08:51
Pnuuif the card is new, there should already be vfat in it08:51
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Hartzithere were exfat08:51
pp_(mer-tools repo)08:51
pp_... which might do nasty things :-)08:52
pp_but so far has worked nicely08:52
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PnuuHartzi: does mkfs -t vfat work?08:53
HartziPnuu: let's try.08:53
HartziPnuu: nope08:54
Hartzipp_: does the installation work just as pkcon install dosfstools?08:54
pp_hmn, I think you need the mer-tools repo as well08:55
pp_Enabled repositories (user): - mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/08:55
Hartzi403 Forbidden08:55
pp_yea, no index.html :-)08:56
tbrdon't go there with your browser :)08:56
tbrjust ssu ar08:56
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Venemomade it this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce77iLjcpig08:56
PeperJohnnyVenemo: you're the dev of the app?08:58
VenemoPeperJohnny: yep08:59
PeperJohnnynice app, however the disabled gestures surprised me at first :D09:00
Hartzitbr: does it work just as ssu ar url?09:00
pp_reponame url09:00
Hartziah09:00
VenemoPeperJohnny: watch the video, it'll tell you how to use the gestures when you're playing09:00
PeperJohnnyVenemo: will do thanks09:01
Hartziwhat's this: [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist09:01
Hartzi"09:01
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ggabrielVenemo: hehe, nice game :)09:03
ortylpwhat is in "/proc/detect_panel" and what means "1"09:03
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Venemoggabriel: thank you09:03
VenemoPeperJohnny: basically the gestures are only disabled while you are playing. if you are in the game menu or the welcome screen the gestures are back on!09:03
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PeperJohnnyVenemo: well quite clever, just surprised me a bit =)09:05
VenemoPeperJohnny: yes, trust me, I don't like disabling the system gestures, but otherwise it would be impossible to drag puzzle pieces near the edges09:05
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo: <3<309:06
PeperJohnnyVenemo: I guess you have tried it long enough for this decision, so it's ok with me and completly undestandable, at least for me09:06
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walokraVenemo: nice looking app09:07
VenemoPeperJohnny: it's been working the same way on the N9 too for ages, and nobody mentioned it as an issue back then.09:07
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ortylpVenemo: looks nice, but on needs kids, to find use for it...09:08
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Hartzipp_: Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find dosfstools09:09
ortylpVenemo: or was that only a coding exercise?09:09
Venemoortylp: I have several users who like it and are quite "big kids"09:09
ggabrielortylp: oh, so people have kids because they lack the kid inside to play games? :-)09:09
ortylpVenemo: :D09:09
VenemoI even play with it myself09:11
Venemoit never gets boring, because I can add custom pictures09:11
Venemobut of course ortylp if puzzles are not your thing, I understand. everybody has different tastes :)09:12
Venemothanks for the compliments Sfiet_Konstantin & walokra :)09:12
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macmaNis it possible to get subscribe to a "new apps" feed for jolla store, i wonder09:13
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo: it still works well, so I'm happy09:13
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Sfiet_KonstantinI was already a huge fan of puzzle master when it was on nemo09:14
Sfiet_Konstantin:)09:14
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VenemoSfiet_Konstantin :)09:15
* Sfiet_Konstantin trying to write a fb client09:15
Yanielthe puzzles are a bit small though09:15
Yanieleven at max size09:15
* Yaniel is sort of used to 1-2k pieces09:16
TofeVenemo: it's a great game you have here, but isn't it a bit sad that the UI isn't using the Silica framework ?09:16
VenemoYaniel: 1-2k would be too much for 4.5" :P09:16
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VenemoTofe: if you have a suggestion, I'm always listening09:17
Yanielyou wouldn't have to see all of it at the same time09:17
TofeVenemo: I think the option menu could be a pulley menu, for isntance, though I didn't look at it very carefully09:18
Venemoanyway, can I ask for a retweet? from those of you who have a twitter account https://twitter.com/Venemo/status/41540434614302720009:18
Yanielwhat about abusing multitouch a bit more?09:18
VenemoTofe: in-game, the pulley menu would collide with the gestures in the game.09:18
TofeVenemo: ah, I feared there would be such answer :) Ok then, I don't have suggestions right now09:19
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Yanielbtw it is awesome to be able to grab two pieces, rotate them independently and move them to their place at the same time09:19
VenemoYaniel: yes you can use as many touch points as the device supports09:19
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VenemoTofe: how would you know if the user wants to drag a piece or pull the menu?09:19
TofeVenemo: long touch press ?09:20
TriztMerry Jolla to you all :P09:20
Tofe(on the background)09:20
Tofeor maybe simply pull on the background09:21
ggabrielVenemo, Tofe: i'm no ux expert, but you could also argue that i order to move pieces you have to use 2 fingers09:21
VenemoTofe: that requires that you have a clear spot in the background, which is not intuitive09:21
ggabrielthen anything else works with 1 finger09:21
ggabrielthe real question is: is silica designed for puzzles? :-)09:21
Venemoggabriel: that's again not very usable09:21
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ggabrielVenemo: i agree, i like it how it is09:21
Venemoso anyway, trust me, I've though a LOT (and then some more) about it09:22
ggabrieli suppose any game will be mildly incompatible with silica as it stands09:22
ggabrielVenemo: yeap, i'm agreeing with you.... not sure any framework works seamlessly with games09:22
ggabriellook at the games out there for any other device09:23
Venemoof course I could've implemented the welcome screen on silica - but then the confusion would've been even worse09:23
TofeVenemo: the other way is to have a title bar, but it eats space; in the end, it's true that this way of manipulating a menu is a bit difficult when dealing with games09:23
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VenemoTofe: I need all the space I can get, for the game board itself09:23
VenemoYaniel: actually, zooming's been a popular feature request, so maybe that could be the answer to your idea too09:24
TofeMaybe Silica will propose some other way of displaying UI in the future09:24
VenemoI don't think that having a custom UI for a game is a problem09:25
Venemoafter all, there is only one button you have to press - it doesn't get any simpler than that09:25
TofeVenemo: no, on a second thought, maybe not, you're right.09:26
AL13N_lizzydid anyone do "search systemd-analyze" ?09:26
AL13N_lizzyor was it pkcon search systemd-analyze ?09:26
AL13N_lizzyor maybe pkcon search *bin/systemd-analyze ?09:26
AL13N_lizzyor maybe systemd-analyze needed devel-su ?09:27
VenemoAL13N_lizzy: no idea but I can check if you ping me tomorrow09:27
atlazOH MY GOD! My wife got me the Laser-guided-beard-trimmer-machine-from-hell!09:28
atlazI've already shaved TWICE today09:28
Venemoatlaz: wow, what's that?09:28
ggabrielatlaz: \o/09:29
ggabrieli remember that09:29
AL13N_lizzyatlaz: what kind of monster is that...09:29
atlazhttp://www.philips.co.uk/c/Facial-stylers-and-grooming-kits/beardtrimmer-series-9000-0.2-mm-precision-settings-full-metal-dual-sided-trimmer-60-mins-cordless-use-1-hr-charge-with-laser-guide-bt9280_33/prd/09:29
Venemooh, this reminds me, I have to shave09:29
atlazhttp://images.philips.com/is/image/PhilipsConsumer/BT9280_33-MI1-global-001?align=0%2C0&hei=384&$jpglarge$09:29
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AL13N_lizzyi'll have to shave for tonight, for the party or my wife 'll kill me09:30
atlazOnly the most awesome beard-trimmer in the world09:30
Venemoatlaz: nice09:30
AL13N_lizzyO_o09:30
AL13N_lizzyic09:30
atlazI mean look at the friggin url09:31
atlaz0.2-mm-precision-settings-full-metal-dual-sided-trimmer-60-mins-cordless-use-1-hr-charge-with-LASER-GUIDE!09:31
atlazAnd i fucking typed that. I didn't even copy it!09:31
AL13N_lizzyi guess we boys like our lasers09:31
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Sfiet_Konstantin:O09:36
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Yaniel:D09:39
Yanielwho doesn't like lasers09:39
GillyHas anyone else had problems with gallery not showing old pictures after the last update?09:40
StskeepsGilly: did you remove your tutorial app by chance?09:40
Venemohave a nice day everyone!09:41
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Gillyyes, pretty much right after I got the phone (from Narinkkatori, so way before the last update)09:41
Stskeepsokay, that may be why09:42
GillyStskeeps: interesting :) and unexpected, can you elaborate or suggest a fix?09:42
StskeepsGilly: it kinda goes berserk and removes tracker09:42
Stskeepsi would recommend a factory reset to be honest09:43
Gillyoh09:43
Yanielremoves tracker? :o09:43
Yanieluh huh09:43
Gillyreinstalling tracker is not enough?09:43
ggabrielthat's a good tip :)09:43
Yanielyou'd have to configure it09:43
Yanieland there are some wrapper scripts which I don't know if they are included09:44
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Gillyok09:44
Yanielbut it probably won't hurt to take a backup and try09:44
Gillyright.. I guess I could also factory reset. would just have to backup my contacts first09:45
Stskeepsand remember to move the backup off the device09:45
Stskeepsfactory reset removes everything09:45
Gillythanks, that's what I expected09:46
Gillyis removing tutorial app still hazardous after the last update too? :)09:46
ggabrielis the tutorial that heavy?09:47
sremeswell, that explains why I could not view some of my pics yesterday, since I too had removed the tutorial app right after I got the phone. installed an android gallery app instead which worked well enough :)09:48
StskeepsGilly: yes09:49
Quuhmm?09:51
Quuwhy are you even able to remove it, if it fucks everything up?09:51
sremesare there any other effects that happen due to removing the tutorial?09:51
sremesQuu: a valid question :)09:52
StskeepsQuu: bugs exist09:53
Stskeeps:P09:53
Gillywhere are the backups stored on the device?09:55
Stskeeps /home/nemo/.vault is what i copied, but i recommend simply tarring up /home/nemo09:55
Gillyah. I tried making a backup via the utility :)09:56
Stskeepsyeah09:56
Stskeepsbackup goes to .vault09:56
Gillyok, thanks a lot. I'll archive the whole dir then, too09:57
Quubtw, anyone have problems with google account?09:58
Quukeeps alerting me that its not logged in09:58
Quuand still syncs mails etc09:58
spider-marioI have many failed email syncs showing up in the transfer list09:59
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spider-mariobtw, the email app loads external images and does not seem to have a setting to change that behavior10:02
spider-mariodoes it have one?10:02
Quuno idea, would be nice to have toggle for that10:02
Quueg. i dont have 3g speed-mobile-whatever-connection10:03
spider-marioit’s also better for privacy10:03
Quuso i use only 2g, loads too long for most mails because it doesnt show anything before it loads all10:03
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spider-marioloading external images means sending a request from which spammers can deduce that their email has been read10:03
Quuspammers like my mom and facebook.10:04
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spider-mario<img src="http://.../img.jpg?yes_message_read_by=blahblah@example.org">10:04
spider-mario→ *bam*10:05
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QuuTOH is called "SmartCover" in the CSD Tool10:16
Quuhmm10:16
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entilwhat's the appropriate way to do console.log() style debugging in c++? c stdio stuff, printf like? it would end up in Application Output?10:16
Yanielthat and qdebug10:16
StskeepsQuu: csd tool?10:16
Quuhttp://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/117/are-you-ready-for-some-plays-i-found-nice-gamehhhhtool-10:16
entilthanks. never did c++ beyond some school exercises and progress is slow ;)10:16
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entildidn't find a cool way to deal with errors either. now, I'm pretty sure the Page flow makes sure the app is in a consistent state, but if I wanted to present the user with an error would something like QAssert make it easy for me or do I need custom exceptions?10:22
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aupoA heads up: It seems getting a system update inform crashes or force closes some applications. At least my Jolla Browser closed down and the screen went black for a mo, after which I got the "System Update available" message.10:34
aupoAnd thanks for the update AND is the change log available somewhere?10:34
Pnuuaupo: version .12?10:36
Pnuuthere's only a hotfix for store credentials10:36
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ortylpdoes anybody know how to change the default browser (to firefox)?10:41
GillyStskeeps: now that I have done the factory reset, is it ok if I just copy .vault/People/data/all.vcf back to the device or is there some hidden data somewhere?10:44
Gillyhm, sorry.. I think I was mistaken, that's not where the people app actually stores its data10:47
narchiehas anyone encountered a bug in gallery where it fails to show some images?10:47
Pnuunarchie: have you removed the tutorial app?10:48
narchiePnuu: yes10:48
Pnuuthen scroll back some :-)10:48
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narchiealright, thanks10:51
narchiepretty awkward though.10:52
Pnuuyeah10:52
AJAX555"package jolla-developer-mode was not found in Store" ;o10:52
Gillyseems like copying .vault back and restoring backups did the job. thanks10:52
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Stskeepsokay, pop quiz10:53
Stskeepshow many of you guys here removed tutorial app?10:53
PnuuI thought to remove, but didn't10:53
AJAX555not me, have been thinking about removing it though10:53
AJAX555is there anything useful?10:54
jubo2g'jule morning10:54
StskeepsAJAX555: i would recommend against it10:55
Stskeeps:P10:55
PeperJohnnyWell it has all the ambiences and youll have to install them after deinstalling tutorial app10:56
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AJAX555looks like jolla can't access internet atm..10:56
AJAX555better restart and see if it fixes it..10:57
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ShadowJKnot me11:01
ShadowJKwhat is the "proper" way to bring up tje bottom navbar in browser byw?11:02
ShadowJKthe *  btw*11:02
PeperJohnnyi scroll up and then it shows up, dunno if it's the intented way11:03
AJAX555yay works now11:03
FireFlyI haven't removed the tutorial app11:03
ShadowJKit doesnt seem to consistently wrk for me11:03
ShadowJKso k just wve aroind wildly until sometjing happens11:04
FireFlyShadowJK: ircing with the virtual keyboard? :P11:04
ShadowJKhow did yo know11:06
ShadowJKstill typoong more on tje huge xingerterm vkb than i do tjumbng n800 stylis kb :)11:06
Pnuurofl11:09
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Morpog_MobileShadowJK: a quick scroll up11:29
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AL13N_lizzyis there a way to trigger the tutorials manually on-demand?11:33
gabriel9i just ordered my phone in Germany11:34
gabriel9how much do i need to wait?11:34
AL13N_lizzydelivery times 3-4weeks11:34
gabriel9#_#11:34
AL13N_lizzyi'm betting mine will come around mid januari11:35
gabriel9to late11:35
gabriel9i want it now11:35
AL13N_lizzyheh11:35
AL13N_lizzyi want it yesterday11:35
entilhere in .fi the phone hit the stores before the preorder people got theirs, so you're not alone11:35
entilbut it's worth it11:35
gabriel9i hope it's worth11:35
Morpog_Mobilegabriel9: you should have preordered11:35
gabriel9could not11:35
AL13N_lizzyi suppose all the preorders have been finished already?11:35
gabriel9my country is blacklisted11:36
* Morpog_Jolla loves his Jolla11:36
gabriel9so i found friend of a friend from germany11:36
AL13N_lizzyMorpog_Mobile: i couldn't pre-order, i didn't know about Jolla then :-)11:36
AL13N_lizzygabriel9: US?11:36
gabriel9BiH11:36
AL13N_lizzygabriel9: if you wanted it quicker, you'd have to buy it off of ebay11:36
Morpog_MobileSo you guys missed out on the N9 too?11:36
PeperJohnnyAL13N_lizzy: most of them are -> 56cfb531c6e5d0b9cc086597e4881b0111:37
PeperJohnnyhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=011:37
gabriel9In EU beatween Croatia and Serbia11:37
AL13N_lizzyPeperJohnny: ?11:37
AL13N_lizzymost of them what?11:37
PeperJohnnyAL13N_lizzy: the link is a list of the preorders11:37
PeperJohnnymost of them are shipped & received11:37
AL13N_lizzywell, this doc is not official and definately not up2date11:37
AL13N_lizzybut i assume all the preorders have been dealt with11:38
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AL13N_lizzyi was one of the first to order after the pre-orders...11:38
AL13N_lizzybut now the preorders of the ones who bought after 2 dec need to be done11:38
gabriel9so is Jolla better then N9?11:38
gabriel9my N9 is slow sometimes and battery is bad11:38
AL13N_lizzyBosnië Herzegovina?11:39
gabriel9yesd11:39
AL13N_lizzyisn't that also part of EU?11:39
AL13N_lizzyor maybe they are under embargo stuff due to the war?11:40
gabriel9lol11:41
gabriel9war finished long time ago11:41
gabriel9we are not part of the EU yet11:41
AL13N_lizzyyet?11:41
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AL13N_lizzytrying to?11:41
gabriel9yes11:41
AL13N_lizzygabriel9: btw: quick question, do they accept EUR in BiH?11:42
gabriel9we are still in the process to sell every resource to EU11:42
gabriel9ofc11:42
AL13N_lizzyerrr...11:42
AL13N_lizzysorry11:42
gabriel9Our money is based on EUR11:42
gabriel9but still11:42
gabriel9long story short, this is bad country11:42
AL13N_lizzyis it?11:43
gabriel9yes11:43
AL13N_lizzyhow could it be worse than .be ?11:43
gabriel9be = ?11:43
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AL13N_lizzyBelgium11:43
gabriel9we have war's11:43
AL13N_lizzydidn't it finish long time ago?11:43
gabriel9based on religion11:43
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gabriel9it is in a way11:43
gabriel9finished11:44
gabriel9but11:44
* AL13N_lizzy narrows eyes in confusion11:44
gabriel9:D11:44
gabriel9war finished under the preasure of US11:44
AL13N_lizzybah, us11:44
AL13N_lizzyputting in their noses where it doesn't belong11:44
gabriel9so it is not finished in the minds of the people11:44
gabriel9yea11:44
AL13N_lizzyone of these days, their nose will be cut off11:45
gabriel9i know11:45
AL13N_lizzyoh wait, the twin towers already fell11:45
gabriel9if you have time check this out11:45
gabriel9http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEYQ46gH0811:45
gabriel9my country in a movie :D11:45
AL13N_lizzyic11:45
AL13N_lizzyis it a flat country?11:46
ggabriel11:38 < gabriel9> so is Jolla better then N9?11:46
gabriel9duno11:46
ggabrieli'll let you know my experience later on this week/next week....11:46
AL13N_lizzyoh, are you getting it?11:46
ggabrieli'm pretty sure it won't be able to replace my n9 due to the lack of caldav/good rss feed reader11:46
ggabrielmy jolla is under the tree right now11:46
ggabrieli'll open it at midnight11:46
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: by then, there'll be a bugfix update and later a feature update11:46
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: i'm trusting that11:46
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: present for yourself?11:47
ggabrielbut it really depends on the individual11:47
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: exactly :-)11:47
ggabrielso, for example11:47
ggabrielif you rely heavily on offline maps, then maybe you need an android equivalent for the ojlla11:47
ggabrieljolla even11:47
AL13N_lizzyggabriel: there is osm11:47
ggabrielgabriel9: you can change the battery of the n9 btw, it's pretty simple. use security torx to avoid breaking the screws11:47
AL13N_lizzyeven if it's not the best maps, it does have offline allowed11:48
ggabrielAL13N_lizzy: i know about osm, but it isn't the same yet11:48
gabriel9i know11:48
gabriel9but it is slow sometimes11:48
ggabrielgabriel9: yeah, i agree, latest websites for instance do require a faster device11:48
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ggabrielthe jolla should be much better speedwise11:48
gabriel9to much js frameworks and shit11:48
ggabrielyeap11:49
gabriel9ok guys thanks for chating11:49
ggabrielbut it's the same with computers :)11:49
gabriel9i must work now11:49
ggabrielgo for it, gabriel9, have a good time ;-)11:49
narchieSo how do I go about restoring from a .vault folder?I made a backup, reset my device but it cant seem to find any backups11:49
narchieI wrote over the default .vault11:50
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ShadowJKiirc this roind was eu+norway,switzerland11:52
ShadowJKso, um, eec, eea, whatever it's called...11:53
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entilcould someone give me a hand with qt/c++? I can't figure out why my code fails at http://pastebin.com/46b3SQrf11:54
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entilI'm quite clueless as to everything here :D trying to figure out silica, qt and c++ by the references and googling and maybe a bit of irc ;P11:55
Pnuuentil: I started learning by tweaking the hello world pro template11:56
entilI've come pretty far imo, to the stage where I can select the file a-ok11:57
entilthis is probably more of a general c++ issue, like me not knowing c++11:57
AL13N_lizzyentil: the best help for developing apps is likely at devel@lists.sailfishos.org11:57
Pnuuor #sailfishos11:57
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entilok.. well, I think I'll just bang my head against the wall for a while longer, because like I said, this is probably more related to me and c++ and I'll probably figure this out by the time I get replies on a list, if I even do11:58
entilbut maybe #sailfishos might help too11:58
AL13N_lizzyentil: maybe this is because they use things like scoped pointers11:58
AL13N_lizzyentil: i think this might be sailfishos related actually11:59
AL13N_lizzyentil: i've been following the list, and afaict any new thread gets replies11:59
AL13N_lizzypretty fast too11:59
entilcool11:59
AL13N_lizzythere's like more than 60msg a day12:00
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AL13N_lizzythough it might be less during the holidays12:00
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entilI find holidays great for hacking :>12:01
entillots of spare time around the family time12:01
AL13N_lizzyyes, but today and tomorrow might be less12:01
entilyeah12:01
AL13N_lizzyi suspect though that even some jolla employees will be reading the list during the holidays though12:02
Aard:p12:02
M4rtinKany pointers how to fix the "Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)" error ?12:02
* Aard has a bit of a problem keeping up with sailfish mailinglist, too high volume12:03
M4rtinKshows up in store output & if I do pkcon refresh12:03
AL13N_lizzyAard: i can imagine12:03
AardM4rtinK: output of ssu domain?12:03
Frye_Aard, you'e not the only one12:03
AL13N_lizzyM4rtinK: see http://elinux.org/Jolla12:03
AL13N_lizzyit has such one12:03
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M4rtinKAard: Device domain is currently: sales12:03
M4rtinKBTW, there is also a few lines of:12:04
M4rtinK[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist12:04
M4rtinK"12:04
AardM4rtinK: which os version are you running?12:04
M4rtinKwhen I run it12:04
Aardyes, those can be ignored, it's a bug in connman-qt, but does not break anything12:04
M4rtinK1.0.1.1212:04
AardM4rtinK: does it say which repo fails authentication?12:05
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M4rtinKAard: in the store output in journal, it says something like this:12:05
M4rtinKNeeds authentication: https://download.jollamobile.com/pj:/hw:/android:/common:/release/latest_armv7hl/?credentials=store12:05
Aardah12:06
M4rtinKand if I do pkcon refresh, it just prints that authentication error12:06
Aardthat explains12:06
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Triztis there any doc on porting things from maemo5 to sailfishos?12:06
Aardyou played with ssu cli :)12:06
AardM4rtinK: try ssu re 1.0.1.1212:06
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M4rtinKAard: that seems to have fixed it ! :)12:09
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M4rtinKany idea what might have caused this behvaiour ?12:09
Yanielguesswork :P12:09
AardM4rtinK: "you played with ssu cli" :p12:09
Aardthe only way I'm aware of this can happen is if you try to set the device into rnd mode from ssu cli12:10
PnuuM4rtinK: did you enable developer updates?12:10
M4rtinKnope12:10
M4rtinKthey only ssu related thing I'm aware of is running: ssu flavour release12:11
M4rtinKaccording to https://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.sailfishos.org/msg01781.html12:11
AardM4rtinK: yes. that puts you into rnd mode, and breaks your repository setup12:11
M4rtinKrnd ? :)12:11
M4rtinKrandom ? :D12:12
Aarddevelopment mode, repositories with beta software you don't have access to (yet)12:12
ShadowJKhm, mailing list archive looks silly on jollabowser :)12:12
M4rtinKhmm, I guess some more docs to ssu usage would not hurt :)12:13
M4rtinKseems to be rather esoteric at the moment :)12:14
Aardssu help? :p12:14
Aardplus, ssu is opensource12:15
narchiehas anyone restored a .vault backup?12:15
* Aard has12:15
M4rtinKyeah, I know it has help12:16
Morpog_Jollasounds like togther.jolla.com gives us access to beta stuff12:16
M4rtinKmore like what the values mean, what are valid values, etc. :)12:17
narchieAard: what do I have to do? I didnt archive my whole homedir, just the .vault file12:17
M4rtinKman ssu12:17
M4rtinKbash: man: command not found12:17
M4rtinK:D12:17
AardM4rtinK: look at the nemo project for values, they're using the same setup ;)12:17
M4rtinKok :)12:17
Aardnarchie: copy it back, restore from settings ui12:18
narchieyou mean overwrite the default .vault dir? I did just that but jolla can't see any backups12:18
Aarddo a git log inside .vault12:19
narchiethe latest entry is my ackup12:21
M4rtinKhmm, backing up by git-format-patch & git-send-email :)12:23
entilAL13N_lizzy: so the issue was with newlines ;P12:23
entilno one could have helped me figure this out without going real deep12:23
entilI didn't realize the source material was in \r\n until I looked at it with od -t x112:23
ShadowJKis it just me or does copypaste in fingerterm not work?12:26
Nicd-merry christmas guys :)12:27
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Nicd-and girls12:27
jubo2and number beings12:29
FIQand bots12:30
entiland the nsa12:31
entilcuz they're reading this anyway12:31
jubo2entil: 's not funny12:31
jubo2our Law teacher tells us that spying isn't outlawed12:31
entilon second though, no, that wasn't :/12:31
narchieAard: any idea why the commit is visible but not for the settings ui?12:31
jubo2there is no legistlation saying that you cannot spy on other states12:32
Aardnarchie: ?12:32
ShadowJKhm.. my clever plan of fingerterm url grabber - open - copy url from browser failed at the last step...12:32
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narchieI checked git log. the overwrite is stored in a commit12:32
narchiebut the settings doesnt see anything12:32
AardShadowJK: that should work, though12:34
Aardthat's how I usually do it :)12:34
narchieAard: I mean that its the git log from my backupped .vault but there's still nothing12:35
narchiehmm12:35
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FryeSo basically if I clone the .vault to my laptop I can just backup on device and then do a git pull :)12:36
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AardFrye: partially. pictures are not stored in git, just in the .vault directory -> you won't copy the pictures when you clone it12:37
Aardnarchie: try restarting settings12:37
Fryeyeah12:37
Fryejust noticed that12:37
Aardfor the other backupbits git is great, but it sucks when storing the jpg binary blobs12:38
M4rtinKjust autovectorize them to SVG, problem solved! :D12:40
M4rtinKwould be pretty #unlike :)12:40
ShadowJKAard: oh i couldnt figure out how to view the current URL in browser...12:40
Aardtap on the tab button? :)12:40
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M4rtinKthat reminds me - latest Opera Mobile for Android works12:42
M4rtinKand has fit-text-to-screen, so makes portrait browsing possible :)12:43
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ShadowJKAard: thx12:44
AardM4rtinK: opera even has landscape browsing ;) I'm currently often using opera on my phone as well, due to lack of landscape in our native browser12:44
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ShadowJKM4rtinK: heh, i was trying to figure out a path to get from youtube irl on irc, to seeing video12:45
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M4rtinKyeah, I'm using Opera as my preferred mobile browser12:45
M4rtinKon N900, N9 & Android (on HP Touchpad)12:45
ShadowJKor any url to browser with less condtant-reload-syndrome behaviour :)12:46
M4rtinKthe text reflow & portrait is really handy when riding a tram :)12:46
M4rtinKyou need to hold on to something, so landscape is not really usable in this case :)12:47
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ShadowJKhm, opera mobile ust crashds jere, wont start :/12:50
M4rtinKI think I had to reboot it after installing it12:51
M4rtinKor killing other running Android apps12:51
ShadowJKdidnt have anything else android running12:52
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M4rtinKmaybe old version ?12:52
M4rtinKBTW, the "classic" version (unfortunately) does not work12:53
M4rtinKonly the new webkit/blink based one12:53
ShadowJKwhatever was in yandex12:53
M4rtinKBTW, mine reports version: 18.0.1290.6749512:54
M4rtinKyeah, that one does not work12:54
AL13N_lizzyentil: doesn't vi tell you if it's DOS or not?12:54
ShadowJKwhatever was in yandex:)12:54
AL13N_lizzyentil: also, arent there CSV helper classes somewhere?12:56
ShadowJKI typo way too much in term to dare try install play store, need to get better at this kbd...12:56
AL13N_lizzyentil: i would think someone somewhere has at some point done this before somehow12:56
M4rtinKyeah, Opera should just host the newest version somewhere12:57
M4rtinKbut they just point to Play store instead12:57
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PnuuShadowJK: use ssh :-)12:57
M4rtinKwell, if you have an android device with Play store, you should be able to get the apk12:57
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ShadowJKPnuu: doesnt make vkbd easier, and if i sat at compuyer i would just use that to surf :P12:59
ShadowJKopera had download link on their page, lets try that12:59
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ShadowJKoh yeah, this is awesome :D youtube works now13:01
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M4rtinKnice! :)13:02
M4rtinKBTW, looks like it even remembers last open tabs :)13:02
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M4rtinKIMGO, must-have due to the Android apps being killed at random all the time13:03
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M4rtinK*IMHO13:05
ShadowJKdoes it retain tabs or does it reload them all the time lie native?13:05
M4rtinKlooks like it does not reload them during usage13:07
ShadowJKawesome13:07
anonfriesehumm strange. just installed play store on my jolla and i have absolutely no idea why i did that in the first place. Somehow i'm still accustomed from ny N9 and the few native Apps it had :)13:07
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ShadowJKat some point it will, android seems to do random tab-kill before random app-kill13:08
M4rtinKoh, and it loads them from local storage even if the apps is closed & opened again13:08
M4rtinKnice! :)13:08
PnuuShadowJK: poetic13:08
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ShadowJKnative browser doesnt do random tab-kill, it does instakill :)13:10
ShadowJK*sound effects*13:10
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Triztinstant kill, him that feels like when you run two android apps and you step one back so you close it, the alien dalvik is terminated, hope there will be a fix to that and I hope there could be some privacy options, like disable gps for an application13:25
cousin_luigiGreetings.13:25
cousin_luigiWould it be possible to test sailfishos under qemu?13:26
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Morpog_Jollayou can try it in the sdk13:32
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_Jolla: what are you using as IRC client ?13:47
Morpog_Jollaandchat till irc chatter is ported13:48
Morpog_Jollaa few new apps in store, yay!13:48
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Pnuuthat rss feed for new apps would be nice13:50
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Morpog_Jollaor a new apps category13:52
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AL13N_lizzyTrizt: alien dalvik doesn't terminate, it keeps running in the background14:08
AL13N_lizzymaybe the GUI container doesn't, i donno14:09
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Andy80hi14:11
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Stskeepsmerry christmas to all of you, may you have fun with your device -- and if you get your device into a boot loop, prod me to save your christmas.14:11
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* Aard prods Stskeeps 14:12
pdanekŠťastné a veselé Vianoce to you all!14:13
Nicd-testing battery life now that tofd.service has been turned off14:14
* fk_lx1 also wishes merry christmas to everyone here - sailors and sailorettes, community, wannabe-sailors and who else is hanging here on the channel :-)14:15
Nicd-tohd.service*14:15
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narchie_funny how the facebook api is quitenicely used in the shared photos14:23
narchie_but still browsing happens in the browser14:23
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Andy80I've followed the small tutorial to disable toh daemon. It worked, but I noticed that after that you cannot change the ambiance anymore, neither manually14:30
Nicd-err14:32
Nicd-I can14:32
Nicd-by swiping left/right from the lock/home screen and selecting14:32
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Andy80Nicd-: which fw version do you have?14:33
TimoHi there guys, I'm looking for the place where the word prediction (VKB) dictionaries are stored. Can anyone point me at it?14:33
Andy80Nicd-: swiping from lock screen doesn't let you access the Ambiance anymore since last update14:34
AardAndy80: try from home screen14:34
Andy80tried from all screens...14:34
PnuuAndy80: and it doesn't work even from the gallery?14:34
Andy80no left-right swiping available from any lock screens14:34
AardAndy80: go to gallery, check if you have at least 2 favourite ambiences14:34
Nicd-Andy80: yes it does14:35
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Andy80ah I didn't have any favourite14:35
Nicd-I have the latest version14:35
Milo-brilliant, it's been 6 hours and my bar has gone down 1 %.. nice!14:36
Andy80now it works14:36
Nicd-Milo-: hope it's by 1% and not to 1% :D14:37
Andy80Milo-: after removing toh :) ?14:37
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Milo-Andy80 yeah.14:37
Andy80cool14:37
Milo-Nicd- I couldn't interpret that in any way.14:37
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Andy80who cares about toh right now ;)14:37
Milo-2 years of N9 and I used NFC only for unlocking angry birds levels :P14:38
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Nicd-Milo-: hope you meant "my bar has gone down by 1 %" instead of "my bar has gone down to 1 %"14:38
Andy80Milo-: me the same :D14:38
Andy80I never use NFC, I keep it disabled even on my Lumia 92014:39
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Milo-Nicd- ah. now I get it.  But I never sayd "by" or "to"14:39
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Nicd-Milo-: exactly, it was a joke14:39
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Milo-I do think it's punctually correct to say "down one percent", rather than "down by one percent".14:39
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Milo-yeah. your joke caused my humour interpreter to segfault :(14:40
Nicd-oh never mind14:40
Milo-I'm sorry.14:40
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* Aard plays with a little christmas present 15:01
TimoHi there guys, I'm looking for the place where the word prediction (VKB) dictionaries are stored. Can anyone point me at it?15:01
SpeedEvilTimo: I'm pondering that too.15:01
SpeedEvilI've taken all my utterances on IRC over the years, and made them into a dictionary.15:01
ShadowJKIt must be some sort of bayesian structure to it, as it suggests next word too15:02
SpeedEvilAbout half the words are typos :/15:02
TimoI just want a Dutch dict...15:02
TimoShadowJK: It uses Nuance XT9 most probably, see /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/Xt9CpInputHandler.qml15:03
TimoBut in that file there's nothing like a refer to a folder... :/15:03
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Aardhttps://together.jolla.com/15:05
Pnuuyay!15:06
Morpog cool15:07
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Morpoghow to get a user there Aard?15:09
Morpogok I'm blind15:09
Aarduse your jolla account15:10
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Morpogseems to need 2 enter keys for a linebreak on firefox15:17
Pnuuany way to change login-name?15:20
Morpogyou can uodate profile15:21
Pnuuwhere?15:21
Morpogclick on your username top left15:22
Morpogthen update profile, next to your avatar15:22
Pnuuhmm15:22
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Pnuuokay, screen name wasn't the same as the username I have in the phone, so no probs :-)15:23
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Morpoghey, that jolla 2 gether is like a role playing game, rofl15:39
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Milo-Can you prevent accidentally closing down your Jolla, when the phone is locked? Pressing shutdown button for few seconnds currently shuts down the phone, even when locked.15:54
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StskeepsMilo-: sounds like a perfectly legit question to post on http://together.jolla.com :)15:54
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Milo-I was, but then I bailed before pressing submit.15:54
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TimoHmm, the dictionaries seem to be nowhere. :P15:55
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TimoI crawled the whole FS from my laptop and couldn't find anything related to XT9.15:56
Milo-wohoo! my first post has a follower already. but oh wait. it's me.15:56
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Milo-one more issue comes to mind, but it's strictly DNA-related.15:58
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Milo-Are there people here who use DNA's SMTP-server for outgoing email? have you been able to send email using jolla's email client with those DNA's settings?16:00
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* fk_lx follows Aard on together.jolla.com \o/ ;-)16:06
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Milo-Stskeeps I'm confused by your "Crash when linking contacts" question :)16:29
StskeepsMilo-: my wife hit the issue too :P16:30
Stskeepsreply if you've seen it too :)16:30
Milo-I'm confused because I reported it to you while back :)16:30
Stskeepshehe16:30
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Andy80I hope you don't mind if I'm "spamming" together.jolla.com with proposals :D16:34
winfrieddMilo: same SMTP issue here with my Dutch provider16:34
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Stskeepsi've made an example 'bug' in together.jolla.com - if you have anything like it, please submit along these lines: https://together.jolla.com/question/346/crash-when-linking-contacts/16:35
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Milo-I'm getting double notifications for all "followed" articles at together.jolla.com16:39
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Fryewhat? together open?16:47
FryeI have been spending too much time for this xmas stuff it seems :D16:47
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eyeajOlla )0ola joh16:49
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eyeaany one using aaic irc client  on jolla handset16:51
eyeayaaic16:51
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eyeaI meant16:52
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pcfenot yet, got my Jolla yesterday. I will be looking for a decent IRC client that can deal with connecting to a server over SSL where the CA cert signing that cert has been imoported (guess I'll be looking forst at getting my own cert in, then IRC) so I can speak to my IRC proxy16:55
eyeaGood16:56
eyeago via f-droid16:56
eyeato get yaaic16:57
pcfehave f-drpid on since later yestareday evening16:57
eyeaok16:57
eyeanice16:57
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pcfewill go that route if no native one turns up and I fail to build irssi or another good client myself16:57
eyeaok16:58
juergbiis it possible to add a second mobile phone number to a contact?17:00
pcfelet me try (still looking for a hack to connect to my oiwnCloud where all the contacts are stired)17:01
Milo-juergbi yes17:02
pcfejuergbi: yes, as expected, just hit the '+ Phone' text repeatedly when editing a contact17:02
juergbiMilo-, pfce: that's what i tried, however, mobile doesn't appear in the type menu if there is already a mobile number17:03
pcfeI did try 2 different ones, let me retry fo ya17:03
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pcfejuergbi: you are correct, the already used types disappear from the list when adding more and I can not (yet) find custom labels17:04
Milo-juergbi seems you're right, but you probably want some indicator to know them from apart.17:04
Milo-if they are both just "Mobile", then you probably won't know which one to call at any given time.17:05
juergbiyes, would probably need something like primary mobile phone number or similar17:05
Milo-in which case "Home" and "Mobile" is probably a good indicator.17:05
Milo-well. not good, but adequate.17:05
juergbiinteresting, it works for imported contacts17:06
pcfe*nod* a few of my friends have more than one mobile number (those that are in 2 or more countries regularly). TBH custom labels have not been too much fun in the past (as I use a ownCloud server of my own and access it with Andoid, and my KDE)17:06
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pcfejuergbi: OK, that's workable for me17:06
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juergbiwhile i'm here. what do people use for calendar sync?17:07
juergbii used google on N9, however, that's not currently an option on jolla, afaict17:07
pcfespeaking of contacts, am I blind, where does the N9 save the address book axpport file, I'm kind of trying to avoid importing 200+ contacts one by one unless it's scriptable.17:07
juergbipcfe: i simply used bluetooth sync17:08
Milo-I never managed to get google calendar to work on N9, so I used my N900 for calendars.17:08
juergbiMfE worked fine for me17:08
pcfejuergbi: ah, I must have missed the 'send all over BT' on N917:08
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juergbipcfe: settings=>sync on N917:08
juergbionly works for contacts, afaict17:08
pcfejuergbi: thank you very much17:10
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Chaz6Saw this and thought of TOH http://www.gizmag.com/spike-laser-measurement-smartphone/30218/17:10
Chaz6Except it's not actually hardware it's just software x.x17:11
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narchie_has anyone experienced this bug#17:20
narchie_the text selection zoom-in just became stuck in zoomed in mode17:21
narchie_a second reboot seems to have fixed it though17:23
nadrieli put some alu foil between the other half nfc and phone, battery life improved drastically? i tried using the phone a few days without the other half since i'm on holiday and in the middle of nowhere. now nfc won't see the toh  but phone is 94%  now.. wtf is nfc doing? or what gives? :D oh well, now the battery life is cool!17:23
SpeedEvilIt's not unlikely the daemon hasn't been properly optimised to pwersave the hardware well17:24
SpeedEvilRather than anything more fundamental17:24
Nicd-nadriel: you could just turn off tohd.service17:25
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Nicd-so you don't have to deal with foil17:25
xcv_so... I just ordered my Jolla. Where will order updates appear and when should I expect the first one? I'm so anxious to get it!17:25
nadrielNicd-: even easier that way. :)17:25
nadrielNicd-: not much funtionality with toh atm so why not.17:26
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Nicd-nadriel: yeah, I stopped tohd.service17:30
ShadowJKxcv_; email when it shops, "My orders" on shop.jolla.com17:31
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ShadowJKiirc it says 3-4 weeks to shipping now17:31
xcv_ShadowJK: Alright, thanks17:32
ShadowJKships*17:33
xcv_Oh, okay. 3-4 weeks seem a lot, I will need some patience until then17:35
Pnuuxcv_: some of us waited since may ;-)17:35
xcv_Pnuu: Well, that's true. I'll wait happily though17:36
spider-marioI’m impressed by the on-screen keyboard completion17:40
spider-marioI almost didn’t type anything for my « Joyeux noël à toi aussi » sms (“Merry Christmas to you too”)17:40
spider-marioI typed “Jo” and “au”17:40
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ShadowJKMy sister wrote a page full with the completion17:46
ShadowJKdidnt make sense, but it was apparently fun to use17:47
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Pnuu:-D17:47
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lbtShadowJK: does she know that the completion bar scrolls sideways17:51
lbtso now the challenge is completion poetry...17:51
ShadowJKlbt; no, neither did I.17:54
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Pnuuneither did I, but I've never used it anyway..17:57
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pcfefilesystem question; what do you commonly use for large µSD cards? grep _FS=y /boot/config-3.4.0.20131118.1 came up a bit lighter than what I'd hoped. guess I'll go with ext2 (unless someone made an exFAT for fuse already)18:05
Chaz6I use exfat and yes there's exfat-fuse18:07
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pcfeChaz6: K. guess it will anyway be faster to build that and be happy than to re-dump all my music on the card, fast or not for an SD card it still takes ages18:13
ShadowJKext2 and ext3 are kinda bad on flash18:16
ShadowJKext4 behaves much better already18:16
Chaz6I was pleasantly surprised to find my tv supports exfat18:17
pcfeyeah, I know, the card manuf will have tuned their wear leveling for the FS they ship the card with, that's another upside of just building exFAT support and a good reason to get me to set up the IDE18:17
Pnuunon-journaling fs would sound the best choice for sd card, but not sure here18:18
ShadowJKIt's a complex topic. But essentially, whichever filesystem gives you the best performance when writing stuff, also puts the least wear and tear on the card.18:20
ShadowJKWhich is why I'd recommend against ext2 :)18:20
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M4rtinKwell, I've opted for EXT4 for my 64GB micro SD18:25
M4rtinKbtrfs felt a bit too experimental for removable storage :)18:26
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Chaz6i dont think my tv can read btrfs18:27
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suyI'm a bit scared. I plugged the jolla to the charger while being off, and "fastboot mode" appeared.18:46
suyI can't seem to get it to halt or boot. :-((( Just the big jolla logo with the small "fastboot mode" in a corner18:46
PnuuStskeeps: ^18:47
suyOne of the worst moments of the year to find help, I guess.18:48
PnuuStskeeps: *prod* *prod*18:48
suyI'll try to find the backlog, seems Stskeeps gave advice here18:49
Pnuusuy: just wait if Stskeeps happens to be online tonight, he promised to help :-)18:49
ShadowJKHe was still concious 2 h ago18:49
M4rtinKwell, people should be at home and ave heaps of free time :D18:49
M4rtinK*have18:49
FireFlysuy: you didn't happen to hold down the volume button while booting it or something?18:52
Stskeepssuy: just pull battery18:52
ShadowJKStill alive!18:52
suyStskeeps: just that? :) ok, I thought that would be the worst option18:53
Stskeepsnaah18:53
suyFireFly: maybe. I grabbed it without really looking18:53
Quuyay18:53
M4rtinKanother plus of the Jolla device hardware18:54
Quumy phone dies if i press near the front camera18:54
Quuyay.18:54
M4rtinKyou CAN pull the battery :)18:54
FireFlyM4rtinK: haha. I still think it's sad that that isn't a given for phones nowadays18:54
suyStskeeps: ok, thank you. I did it and works as expected :)18:54
suyso, the fastboot is the bootloader? and is triggered with the volume key?18:55
FireFlysuy: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 holding down the volume buttons triggers "flasher mode" or "boot from recovery partition"18:56
Pnuuaargh18:56
FireFly"Fastboot mode (volume down + put USB in)" I guess they didn't think that'd be easy to trigger accidentally :p18:56
suyFireFly: oh, thank you :)18:57
Pnuutrying to "clear" my previous phone after using only jolla for 2 weeks18:57
Pnuuman this is hard :-D18:57
suyBTW, besides forums, is there some mailing list for jolla/sailfish os? I'm not a fan of forums... :-/18:57
suy(I intend to develop, too, or at least lurk development thinghies)18:58
Quuforums are always horrible18:59
Pnuusuy: yes there are, and there's also #sailfishos irc channel19:00
lbtand https://together.jolla.com/19:00
Pnuuand that19:00
lbtwhich is not a forum19:00
* lbt is not a forum fan either19:00
Pnuucount me too19:00
suyheh :)19:01
lbtThoughts on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/427/break-down-your-ideasfeature-requests/#post-id-49619:01
Pnuusuy: I'll try to grep the mailing lists from the logs19:01
lbtdevel@lists.sailfishos.org19:02
lbt?19:02
fluxmeh, I mistyped my account to together and now it is what it is :)19:02
Pnuuhttps://sailfishos.org/develop-support.html19:02
suyPnuu: yay! thank you!19:02
lbtbetter :)19:02
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Pnuucombination of grep and google, that one :-D19:03
flux(it seems it's not possible to change or recreate it. meh indeed :).)19:04
Pnuuflux: oh, I asked about that earlier19:04
Pnuujust a sec19:04
fluxseems that quite some work was put into implementing the service19:04
fluxmany features, many views19:05
Pnuu17:21 < Morpog> you can uodate profile19:07
fluxoh, indeed19:07
Pnuu17:22 < Morpog> click on your username top left19:07
Pnuu17:22 < Morpog> then update profile, next to your avatar19:07
fluxI went through menus but missed that one19:07
fluxas I said, there are so many ;-)19:07
fluxpnuu, thanks!19:07
Pnuuno prob :-)19:07
Quupewpew19:08
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pcfehmm, I seem to be unable to find the UI control for importing a CA certificate. Where can I RTFM to import via CLI19:27
pcfehmm, I seem to be unable to find the UI control for importing a CA certificate. Where can I RTFM to import via CLI19:27
pcfeoops19:27
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FireFlyArgh! "This is a minor edit; don't notify others" should probably be the default (if not forced) for comments.. :\ I find myself accidentally spamming people with minor edits all the time19:55
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msknightHi Folks, me again.19:57
msknightMore crap to throw the way of any dev listenin!19:58
msknightWe're on very low power here. The high winds wrecked our power lines so they have us on a low power connection so who knows how long this will last.19:58
msknightSo ... to begin ... wi-fi settings. I previously reported that the Jolla was forgetting settings after the battery was removed. This was incorrect.19:59
msknightIt is having moments where it is displaying no saved networks at all, however.19:59
msknightAlso, I have been within range of a hidden network, and when it has shown the saves networks, the hidden network is shown as "off" in the wi-fi list, and it wouldn't let me turn it on.20:00
FireFlymsknight: btw, this thing lauched https://together.jolla.com/ (basically stackoverflow for jolla), which I think serves sort-of as a bugtracker20:00
FireFly/place-to-post-enhancement-suggestions20:00
msknightAlso, regarding the camera ... to switch between still and video ... the button brings down the menu ... when there are only two options ... shouldn't it just toggle?20:00
msknightAh. They've made a place for us to report thing! Yahoo!20:01
msknightThanks FireFly20:01
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:unanswered/sort:activity-desc/tags:bug/page:1/ , use tag 'bug' to help us find20:01
FireFlymsknight: re. camera, having clicking cycle between alternatives would be useful I think20:02
FireFly(even when ≥2 alternatives, as with flash for instance)20:02
FireFlyyou could always drag the buttons down if you want full control over choices20:02
msknightI do LOVE the fact that it remembers the flash setting.  As an amateur photographer, I hate on-axis flash, but on the X6 I had to turn the flash off every time I started the camera.20:03
msknightThere is another video going up to my YouTube showing the wi-fi problem.20:04
msknightHopefully, it will get up before we lose power again.20:05
msknightOnly another 3 hours remaining!20:05
FireFlyagreed about it remembering the settings20:07
FireFlyCamera settings, I mean20:07
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Quuwould be awesome to have preset-settings in camera20:08
Quuand maybe get to them from the cover-thingie20:09
Quuswipe to left = flash, right = no flash and diffrent type of focus20:09
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msknightMan .. after all the stuff that I've got to put up, my karma is going to be through the floor!20:12
FireFly:D20:12
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Stskeepsthe one you're standing on, or the neighbour's upstairs? ;)20:13
msknightThe karma on the forum you two have just pointed me to :-)20:13
Stskeepshehe20:14
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msknightIronically, the one machine I can't get to, is my low power client and that has the ideas file on it.20:14
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msknightIt is plugged in to an APC UPS and the UPS doesn't like the low power supply.20:14
msknightBefore I ask - is there a setting to stop automatic other half "reading"?20:15
Pnuuyes!20:16
msknightPlease! Where is it?20:16
Pnuuand that one lowers the battery use by ~75 %20:16
Pnuujuust a sec20:16
Pnuudevel-su systemctl mask tohd.service20:17
Pnuudevel-su systemctl stop tohd.service20:17
msknightI@m keeping my sticky paws out of development.20:17
Pnuufrom: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html20:17
msknightI want to report things from an end-user perspective.20:18
msknightI turned thr brightness way down, and that helped battery consumption greatly.20:18
Pnuuthen apply some tin foil or remove the nfc tag from the other half20:18
Pnuunaaah, that's just peanuts!20:18
Pnuuthis TOH NFC tag stuff really saves something20:19
Pnuuin my experience, the savings are in the order of 75 %20:19
Quui have seen no improvement20:19
Pnuu(previously: -20 % in 11 h of idle, with the tohd.sercive stopped -4 % in 11 h)20:20
PnuuQuu: you're doing it wrong20:20
msknightDamn. I think my low power PC is dead.20:21
Stskeepsstorm hitting UK badly?20:21
Pnuumsknight: but check that blogspot link, and read all the comments20:21
PnuuStskeeps: looks like that :-/20:21
Pnuuhttp://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/bracka.html20:21
Pnuuthat low pressure center is just deeeeep20:22
msknightYes, it hit us badly. Power supply took a heavy knock in the South of the UK.20:22
Pnuuhuuricane-deep, but ofc not so steep20:22
msknightI'm not sure if some of my equipment is fried, or whether it is just because they are supplying us with low strength power just to get us through.20:22
msknightMy A10 processor is running, but my Fit PC is useless, and that's only chewing 20W.20:22
msknightTrees coming down took out a lot of power lines, as most of our power cables run over land.20:25
Stskeepssledges: http://together.jolla.com20:29
Morpog_Jolladoes pic upload to twitter work for anyone?20:30
Pnuuwhoa, where did I get that second badge20:30
StskeepsMorpog_Jolla: is it png20:30
msknightUrk, I have 1 silver and 3 bronze badges.20:30
Morpog_Jollajpg20:30
Morpog_Jollaoh no its png20:31
Morpog_Jollacan i convert on device?20:31
Pnuume wants imagemagick20:31
Pnuuoh, an upvote!20:36
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msknightWow. A gold badge!20:38
Coder|jollahi!20:38
Pnuubadger badger20:39
Pnuuhola!20:39
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FireFlymsknight: ooh :o20:39
Coder|jollaI have trouble connecting to my friends wifi, tips for troubleshooting?20:39
Coder|jollait just says unable too connect instantly when I try20:40
PnuuCoder|jolla: what security scheme?20:40
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/20:40
msknightCoder|jolla: turn the phone off, then on again, and instantly try to connect.20:40
Coder|jollanetwork is using wpa or wpa220:40
Coder|jollaoki, brb20:41
PnuuI have wpa2 here, should work20:42
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FireFly"Down-swiping with the phone in my hand is really, really awkward." ← it's not just me!20:42
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HtheBhi all20:42
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msknightYup - me as well.20:43
msknightConflicts with aps that have pull downs as well.20:43
msknightDrive me batty.20:43
Pnuugo and upvote!20:43
msknightI made the suggestion :-)20:43
PnuuHtheB: hi ya20:43
msknightSuggestion: Right swipe to close20:44
HtheBsup all20:44
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Coder|jollawoo20:45
Coder|jollarebooting worked :p20:45
HtheBguys, what android apps do you want20:45
HtheBI will DL the apk's20:46
msknightYoutube!20:46
HtheBok, DL'ing20:46
msknightAlso ... um ... navigation. I really miss sat nav20:46
HtheBGot Sygic :)20:46
HtheBworks perfect20:46
msknightSygic? Is that in the Yandex store?20:46
HtheBno... play store20:47
Coder|jollaI got both netflix and youtube to work!20:47
vegaianyone else seen that it's impossible to download from Yandex store anything beyond 3MB?20:47
Coder|jollaI installed google play...20:47
vegaior any other symptom of network failures20:47
msknightOoh - Ooh - OpenScape20:47
HtheBCoder|jolla: not everybody is keen on Google :)20:47
Pnuuvegai: at least firefox downloaded20:47
msknightAnd "St John".20:48
Coder|jollaI dont have that much against them, I just like to be able to choose :p20:48
HtheBguys, any other apps that you need?20:49
msknightHaven't seen either of those on Yandex.20:49
YomiIs Swype available?20:49
HtheBno, not yet20:49
PnuuHtheB: port firefox to native jolla, pls20:49
HtheBPnuu: not possible20:49
Coder|jollaI'd like the camera to work with android apps...20:49
PnuuHtheB: it certainly is, but must need a lot of work20:50
HtheBnot possible by me *20:50
HtheBFirefox is not possible20:50
HtheBIceweasel oth could be afaik20:50
HtheBor... whatever it called20:50
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YomiIt's a 30 day trial... Might just be better to somehow add it to the stock keyboard or something.20:51
AJAX555lynx to jolla!20:51
zuttoi vote for links!20:51
zuttoor links2 even20:51
FireFlyvegai: I've had some issues with randomly being disconnected & reconnected from WLAN when transferring bigger things20:52
HtheBlynx?20:52
HtheBlinks2?20:52
AJAX555lynx = text-only web browser20:52
AJAX555dunno what is in links220:53
HtheBugh -_-20:53
HtheBNEXT20:53
zuttoAJAX555: same thing20:53
zuttolinks2 has intresting features of being able to actually show pictures too20:53
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zuttoand the way how links works is faster than how lynx works so thats why i'm voting for links20:54
AJAX555yeah, so not the same thing!!20:54
AJAX555lol20:54
FireFlyNeither of lynx, links2 and w3m are in the repos :(20:54
zuttobut links should work on jolla out of the box, just compile it20:54
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zuttohttp://links.twibright.com/ if you want to give it a spin20:54
zuttoif you do, remember to configure it with -enable-graphics20:55
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HtheBguys20:58
HtheBwhat apps are usefull (android apps)20:58
Pnuukeepass20:58
QuuHtheB: all the apps20:58
HtheBQuu: gimme names and I'll host them20:58
FireFlyEssentially the only android apps I currently have is emulators and a bunch of HIB games20:59
Pnuubut I'm hoping to get a versio not relying on mono-C# on linux..20:59
FireFlyActually, s/Essentially // :p20:59
HtheBkeepass2 added to the list20:59
HtheBI've already got DosBox to work :)21:00
HtheBWindows 98 ftw :P21:00
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sledgesStskeeps: #jolla2gether \o/21:01
sledgescoutryside internet just finishe loadig page :D21:01
Pnuuwhee, there was a suggestinon for password manager21:03
PnuuHtheB: make it keepassX :-)21:03
PnuuHtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/697/password-manager-for-sailfish/21:04
HtheBPnuu: ghttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android21:04
HtheBhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android21:04
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PnuuHtheB: for sailfish21:05
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/346/crash-when-linking-contacts/#post-id-723 :)21:05
Pnuuwithout alien dalvik21:05
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HtheBPnuu: go code it then21:06
PnuuI thought you wanted to port things..21:07
Pnuusorry for misunderstanding21:07
HtheBno, never said that21:07
Milo-sorry guys, but porting Mahjong from N9 is far more important than keepass21:07
HtheBi just want to help people out21:07
HtheBthat dont wnat to have google play store21:07
HtheBbut still wants those apps21:07
HtheBthat are on the playstore21:07
Pnuuah21:08
Milo-I wish I could find the original sources and image files for N9's mahjong.21:08
FireFlyHtheB: if that's what you're doing, I wouldn't mind 'Resrobot' (a swedish commuter trafic planning thing) :p21:09
HtheBoke, coming ! :)21:09
HtheBuploading21:10
HtheBFireFly: check om21:11
FireFly"om"?21:11
Milo-oscar mike21:11
HtheBom *21:11
HtheBugh...21:11
HtheBPPPPPm *21:11
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HtheBanything else guys?21:14
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HtheBnothing else?21:19
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PnuuI'd prefer native apps, but if you'd add the keepass2 client I'd be pleased :-)21:21
HtheBcheck pm21:23
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HtheBQuu: you need anything?21:24
QuuHtheB: nah, i can get my own .apk's when needed21:25
HtheBalright :)21:25
HtheBjust wnat to host it21:25
HtheBto help the community21:25
Quusure sure :)21:25
ibinsJA LECK MICH AM ARSCH! (translation: honest expression of surprise): together.jolla.com is quite successful and a very nice move of jolla!21:26
ibinsCongratiolantions on that!21:26
HtheBibins: it reminds me of the bugzilla thing back in the Nokia days21:26
HtheBbut then, they never replied :(21:26
HtheBand closed all kinds of bugs that were still in there :P21:26
M4rtinKHtheB: BTW, what about a custom Aptoide store ? :)21:27
ibinsI think this is the most compressed bug file report repository in a increble short time.21:27
Pnuuin together it's (mostly) all about votes21:27
HtheBnever looked into that21:27
HtheBlet me see aptoide21:27
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M4rtinKHtheB: I've researched it after seeing it mentioned on TMO21:28
FireFlyPnuu: which is a good thing I'd say21:28
ibinsAnd it goes further: not only bugs are reported: In the comments there are discussions going on21:28
PnuuFireFly: yeah21:28
M4rtinKlooks like an appstore framework21:28
FireFlyThe stackoverflow format probably fits pretty well with "community bug reports slash suggestions"21:28
M4rtinKHtheB: with users being able to make their own stores/APK collections21:28
FireFly(slash questions)21:28
ibinscivilized and nice - debating improvements to the UX21:28
HtheBi see21:28
HtheBM4rtinK: but I rather keep the files over here21:29
smokexthey closed a lot of valid Qt bugs before Qt moved to the project site.. the tracker is still quite a mess as a result21:29
M4rtinKFireFly: yeah, probably the best solution in the current timeframe21:29
HtheBwhat if aptoide closes or.. you know21:29
HtheBeverything will be lost21:29
M4rtinKHtheB: well, sure :)21:29
M4rtinKHtheB: I actually have no idea how it works & where the APKs are stored :)21:29
ibinsDoes not matter: jolla knows about the aching things by now21:29
M4rtinKHtheB: in Aptoide21:29
HtheBme neither :P21:30
HtheBis this channel logged?21:30
Stskeepsit is21:30
Stskeepssee /topi21:30
Stskeepsc21:30
HtheBugh... then i rather not give a link over here21:30
M4rtinKon that Mer logging server IIRC21:30
M4rtinKand that's why IRC = documentation :)21:31
HtheBif someone wants a usefull link, pm me :)21:31
AJAX555btw, has anyone reported that there is no posibility to select audio from SD card to ringtone etc21:31
M4rtinKAJAX555: well, it just scans some ringtone folder anyway ?21:31
M4rtinKIMHO, SD card handling needs to be definitely improved21:32
AJAX555idk what it scans, but it surely doesn't find any audio from my sd card21:32
AJAX555yes, yes it needs21:32
HtheBM4rtinK: is it possible to run harmattan apps in some way on sailfish?21:32
M4rtinKbrowsing /run/user/100000/media/sdcard is not very user friendly21:32
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M4rtinKAJAX555: well, I see stuff from SD card in the media app21:33
M4rtinKHtheB: I don't think so - no Qt4 & X for starters21:34
AJAX555yes, as do I, but I can't select those as ringtone or any other21:34
M4rtinKI think if you just copy it to the ringtone folder, it will show them21:34
M4rtinKprobably just a "select from media" dialog missing21:35
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HtheBM4rtinK: what if we can get qt4 on jolla21:35
AJAX555yeah had to copy to music folder when connected to computer21:35
HtheBand some compatibility stuff for x21:36
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HtheBsome rough hack21:36
HtheBlike alien dalvik21:36
M4rtinKHtheB: but I would guess once marmistrz gets hacking, we might get some of them working :)21:36
M4rtinKwell, could be a nice hacking journey :)21:36
HtheBbecause I want Whatsup on sailfih21:36
HtheBbut the problem is that CepiPerez got robbed :(21:37
M4rtinKwell if you have source, making it work on Qt5 should be doable21:37
HtheBthey attacked him in his kiosk, took his phone, netbook and all his money21:37
HtheBso he lost the source21:37
M4rtinKthere is QtQuick 1.0 in Qt5 for backward compatibility21:37
HtheBhe told that he could make it again, but he doesn't have a pc :(21:37
M4rtinKyeah, that's the sad situation :-(21:38
smokexthe underlying c++ code can mostly be used verbatim21:38
smokexit would just be a matter of writing a silica ui21:38
PnuuHtheB: source of what?21:38
HtheBWhatsup...21:38
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Pnuuand it was only on those devices...?21:39
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msknightOops. I think we've overloaded the together.jolla.com site :-)21:39
pp_yep, nice @ together, tho I can see it becoming hard to navigate soon21:39
HtheBhe does have a source afaik21:39
HtheBbut it's an old one21:39
PnuuHtheB: fail21:39
HtheBfail or not... I feel bad for him21:39
Pnuumsknight: yea, it's hard to keep up!21:39
HtheBhe doesnt have a job now, no phone, no pc,21:40
HtheBand has to take care of his family21:40
HtheBhe did port all kinds of games,21:40
HtheBmade an awesome file manager (filecase and filebox)21:40
Pnuuwhatsapp is one of the things I first heard about after joining this channel a week ago21:42
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PnuuI guess there's not much use for it in .fi21:42
HtheBit's been used worldwide everywhere21:42
HtheBover 400 million users21:43
AJAX555I have never used it21:43
AJAX555dont even know what it looks like21:43
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ShadowJKjust laughed a bit hen i took jolla off charger and unlocked it, all 4 running apps were landscape mode :)21:43
HtheBShadowJK: lol21:43
PnuuAJAX555: I don't even know what it does! :-D21:43
StskeepsShadowJK: did you remove the tutorial app?21:43
ShadowJKno21:43
HtheBPnuu: its just a messaging service21:43
msknightOK - got to hit bed. Night all!21:43
StskeepsShadowJK: .. wtf21:43
HtheBwhere you use the phone number21:43
AJAX555Pnuu: well, I'm actually not sure either21:44
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StskeepsShadowJK: can i ask for a screenshot?21:44
HtheBlike normal text messaging21:44
AJAX555but I guess it is about IM21:44
Yanielit tries to replace sms&mms21:44
ShadowJKStskeeps: they were supposed to be landscape21:44
PnuuHtheB: centralized and thus centrally log'd?21:44
HtheBPnuu: yup :P21:45
HtheBbut again: I dont care21:45
Pnuungh21:45
HtheBdont have anything to hide21:45
StskeepsShadowJK: okay..21:45
Stskeeps:P21:45
pp_Pnuu: It's encrypted!21:45
pp_(badly, at  least initially)21:45
HtheBbut it is encrypted21:45
ShadowJKthat was the amusing part, jolla full of unjolla landscape21:45
HtheBpp_ beated me21:45
pp_badly, as in rot13 v2.0 :-)21:45
Yanielmeh that is meaningless if they have the key21:46
FireFlyPnuu: I think the selling point of whatsapp is "free 'SMS'" basically21:46
Yanielalmost free21:46
FireFlyI know about it because my younger siblings talk about it (and "kick") all the time21:47
Yanielnot totally so they don't need ads to keep running21:47
Turskigetting quite a load of 502's from together...21:47
FireFlyAh21:47
ShadowJKfingerterm, because irc, and kbd easier in landscape.. opera bevause working tabs :D21:47
Pnuupp_: rot13 v2.0 :-D21:47
Yaniel(is what they say at least)21:47
pp_Pnuu: yea, rc4 with the key reused both ways or whatnot21:47
Pnuu"I'll rot it twice!"21:47
Yanielit's like $1 per year21:47
TurskiPnuu: :)21:48
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ShadowJKscreen is like a book, works better if i lick my fingers first21:48
M4rtinKIIRC, Whatsapp used/uses(?) IMEII as password21:51
M4rtinKso anyone who knows you IMEII can impersonate you :)21:51
Yanielehh21:51
M4rtinKoh, here it is: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/08/2126234/whatsapp-is-using-imei-numbers-as-passwords21:52
Pnuusounds nice...21:52
HtheBM4rtinK: not anymore21:52
HtheBVERY old news21:52
M4rtinKwell I myself see all those centralized & proprietary IM services as a huge regression21:53
pp_if you use android, everyone knows your imei :-)21:53
M4rtinKso I'm trying to use Jabber where possible21:53
pp_(pretty much every crappy app broadcasts it out in plaintext)21:53
M4rtinKdue to being federated & open21:53
HtheBM4rtinK: a 'normal' person who goes with other normal persons doesnt know anything about jabber21:53
YanielI should take a look at jabber sometime21:53
M4rtinKwell, here they might be still using ICQ :)21:54
HtheBicq? does that still exist? lol21:54
M4rtinKwell or lately just Facebook/Twitter21:54
M4rtinKyeah, still running most probably21:54
M4rtinKused to be huge in Czech Republic :)21:54
M4rtinKalso in a few other countries21:55
HtheBlike Netherland s:P21:55
HtheBI hacked a lot of people back then21:55
HtheBhaha21:55
HtheBusing Sub721:55
Pnuubad you21:56
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M4rtinKwas also plaintext by default, wasn't it ?21:56
Stskeepsoh sub7..21:56
HtheBgood old days =)21:56
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HtheBno one had antivirus apps, no one knew even how exactly pc's worked :P21:57
M4rtinKwell, unless it is using some sort of OTR, it is not really secure even if encrypted in transport to server21:57
HtheBso... it was the good times to hack all you can21:57
friesehumm, thanks for making me feel old for still using icq/msn - though just as jabber transports ;)21:58
ShadowJKi remember a irc chan where we hacked people and tried convince them to fix their shit21:58
PnuuHtheB: "no-one" still knows know how OSs work21:58
Yanielnor computers actually21:58
HtheBPnuu: you get the point :)21:58
Yanielmuch less the internet21:59
HtheBit was way easier to hack joeavarage21:59
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Morpog_MobileM4rtinK: you can browse the sdcard with cargo dock app22:01
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Pnuuyay, I just won "one-more-glass-of-drink-award" it seems22:02
pdanek1IRC logs, cool, finally!22:03
Pnuupdanek1: goo luck finding anything relevant :-)22:04
Pnuu+d22:04
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viqIs NFC really only for Other Half detection? No way around it?22:07
Pnuuin what way?22:08
viqSay by having Other Half with NFC hardware.22:09
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PnuuI'm still not sure what's the question, but you can disable the nfc daemon22:12
Pnuuhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html22:12
YanielI think he is after bt pairing/nfc payment/whatever22:13
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400402#post140040222:13
HtheBplease read guys22:13
smokexyeah its only for other half detection22:13
smokexthe antennas range is so short it could never be used for pairing22:14
viqYaniel: indeed22:14
smokexor payment etc22:14
viqBah. "Extension interfaces for wireless NFC" is somewhat misleading then...22:15
PnuuI don't know what's the intended use, but the limited range (duh, evident for nfc) should be enough for "tough" pairing and/or payment22:16
pp_heh @ http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/joulun-kuvaviestit-aiheuttavat-viiveita-elisan-verkossa/651871/22:16
Pnuufor pairing, ofcourse for only sending the credentials or something like that22:16
SpeedEvilviq: It's not - there is a connector for a larger antenna on TOH as I understand it.22:17
SpeedEvilClamp your other device to it and use the vibrator22:17
pp_summary in english, finnish operator overloaded with xmas mms's22:17
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Pnuuviq: as SpeedEvil said, it's for the other side (TOH) comms22:18
Pnuupp_: good thing it doesn't work with jolla ;-D22:18
viqSpeedEvil: hm, ok. Though some posts on mailing lists I encountered seem to suggest there isn't really API in the system for that, any idea about that/22:18
viq?22:18
pp_tohd didn't see my helsinki bus card, at least (even in proximity, ran it with -v)22:18
Pnuuviq: best choice is to post to together.jolla.com22:19
pp_where see == didn't trigger any debug prints22:19
TriztAL13N_work: think there is a flaw in your statement, start skype and another android app, you will see the user to get online on skype, when you exit the other app with the back button till the dalvik display disappears, the skype user will get offline.22:19
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Pnuupp_: nice to know22:19
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pp_tried to figure out whether the battery suck was anything obvious22:20
pp_suppose "keep device open" was enough, strace looked clean22:20
viqPnuu: ok, thanks22:20
PnuuI think my helsinki area bus card is 800 south of me..22:20
Pnuu800 km22:20
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smokexthe nfc daemon is the cause of the battery drain22:20
Yanielone at least22:21
viqPnuu: uhm, I'm getting just a blank page...22:21
smokexit continuously polls the nfc chip once an other half is detected...22:21
smokexwhen obv it shouldn't22:21
AJAX555how much does disabling nfc daemon help on battery drain?22:21
AJAX555because I dont see any point keeping it on with this white other half22:21
YanielAJAX555: it seems to halve it or so22:21
AJAX555oh22:21
smokex75% increase in battery life by disabling the daemon22:21
AJAX555time to disable22:21
AJAX555lol22:21
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smokexat least thats what was reported by a few people yesterday22:22
Quui see no improvement.22:22
Pnuuviq: it should be online, opens for me22:22
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AJAX555well, I am willing to test it22:22
SpeedEvilAJAX555: I went from about 12 hours battery life to about 200.22:22
YanielI'm still at 57% after a day of normal use22:22
PnuuAJAX555: for me, 11 h of idle 20 % -> 4 %22:23
FireFlyThat's impressive22:23
viqPnuu: I'll try with different browser then22:23
Yanielas opposed to 1522:23
Pnuuso quite(tm) significant22:23
AJAX555sweet22:23
Milhouseoh dear, together.jolla.com gone down?22:23
FireFlyI'm getting an empty white page at any rate22:24
Milhousesame here22:24
Pnuuconfirmed :-/22:24
viqAnother thing, anyone knows if VoIP is present/planned ?22:24
Pnuuviq: sorry about the "yea, I have connection" :-/22:24
Quuviq: iirc there was some "internet call" ringtone, by jolla22:25
frieseviq: i think i heard, some people already got that working, the config needs to be done on cmd-line though...22:25
viqPnuu: sure, no problem22:25
viqAh, interesting.22:25
friesebasically i think jolla supports sofiasip like harmattan22:25
tanghusAnd https://together.jolla.com/ is on it's knees ;)22:25
viqAnd (Open)VPN ?22:26
Pnuu"it worked just before" -> it still works :-P22:26
phaeronbeing upgraded22:26
AJAX555there, disabled22:26
PnuuAJAX555: wellcome to the longside!22:27
AJAX555sweet thanks! ;D22:27
Yanielwe are out of cookies but enjoy your stay anyway22:27
Pnuuomnom22:28
viqWhile I'm here, is there a way to add certificates to the system?22:28
AJAX555is okay, I have been eating lots of christmas food today (Y)22:28
Pnuustill: my sony 'droid doesn't recognice double-tap22:28
viqI'm using CACert for my stuff, but it's not recognized22:28
YanielPnuu: hehe, neither do iphones22:29
PnuuAJAX555: brb! my best was ham-(salted-salmon)-(cold-smoked-salmon)-(whitefish-eggs-with-onion)-on-a-ryer-bread22:30
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AJAX555heh22:31
Quudamn you people22:32
Quunow im hungry22:32
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PnuuQuu: 8-)22:33
viqIt's a shame the email client doesn't support threads, IMAP IDLE, and doesn't offer an option to _not_ send HTML email...22:34
spider-marioand not to load images automatically22:35
spider-marioalso, it frequently fails syncs22:36
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Pnuuviq: there was an issue about that at together already, but, well, it's down22:36
spider-marioI can’t get it to send a message at all22:36
viqwell, it's up and down22:36
viqand yeah, browsed through some issues there already22:37
Pnuutogether seems to gone back to internal-logins-only :-/22:37
Pnuudoesn't approve my login22:38
FireFlyInteresting.. apparently Yandex was the only thing depending on Alien Dalvik22:40
FireFlyYou'd think the android applications I've installed would depend on it (and therefore causing it to not be removed when I removed Yandex)22:40
SpeedEvilFireFly: yeah - that's a bit derpy. :)22:42
FireFlyand now Alien Dalvik/"Android support" seems to not want to install. great :P22:43
FireFlymaybe just some temporary hiccup22:43
phaeronPnuu: back now22:47
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SpeedEvilFireFly: I just reinstalled yandex22:49
SpeedEvilwfm22:49
parasemicAs the together site people seem to be a bit quiet in the commenting, I'd like to hear if you experience same bugs etc about keyboard as I do? https://together.jolla.com/question/656/keyboard-bugschangesideas/22:49
parasemicalso, i'd love a few vote ups, so that wouldnt get buried under the mass of "one sentence whine" -topics22:50
SpeedEvilI haven't used it that much.22:50
Pnuuphaeron: ?22:50
phaeronPnuu: together.jolla.com is back online now :)22:51
Pnuuphaeron: ah, good to know :-)22:51
parasemicalso pls go vote this up so we get the cutespotify volume controls asap https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/22:51
Pnuu(I was grepping what did I forget..)22:52
parasemicbtw, happy xmas everyone! :D22:52
FireFlyhappy christmas to you too22:52
FireFlyor merry, whatever22:52
viqmarry? ;)22:53
Pnuuyea, happy darkest-day-of-the-year :-)22:54
Pnuubut that was, on the N-hemishpere 3 days ago :-/22:54
viqI think that was two days ago or so ;)22:54
Pnuu2, 3, something :-)22:54
parasemicis anyone else amused about the fact the together site is basically a rip off of reddit functions? D:22:55
parasemic:D*22:55
parasemicand can you pls comment something about my walloftext about keyboards, i really wanna know if you have same issues22:55
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Pnuuparasemic: I don't understand reddit pages at all22:56
viqreddit? my first thought was stackexchange22:56
Pnuuviq: yes!22:56
Pnuuor stackoverflow22:56
parasemicwell karma points, awards, voting topics up/down are all basically like reddit22:56
parasemicdunno about stackexchange22:56
ShadowJKsounds like slashdot22:56
Pnuureddit, twitter and facebook are things that I've never understood22:57
viqerm, that, yeah22:57
SpeedEvilTwitter is useful in principle.22:57
viq(stackoverflow. me needz brainzz, erm, sleep)22:57
Pnuutwitter is something like irc, but harder to use22:57
SpeedEvilIt is great for coordinating teams to do something wehn they may have mixed and very limited connectivity.22:58
parasemicseriously, could someone please tell me if they have same issues about keyboard? :DD22:58
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PnuuSpeedEvil: yeah, in a way. #channel_name vs. #hashtag22:58
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SpeedEvilparasemic: I'm at the moment trying to take several meg of IRC logs and parse them into words I use.22:59
Pnuuparasemic: takes some time to cathcup :-)22:59
SpeedEvilparasemic: Initial conclusions - I can't spell separate.23:00
PnuuSpeedEvil: you just did!23:00
viqparasemic: did you try doing dot after autocompletion? I think it does place it properly23:00
SpeedEvilerr - the other way23:00
Pnuusorry, renee zellweger runing in tiger-undies23:01
parasemicviq what do you mean?23:01
viqparasemic: also if you hold space it lets you change language quickly. As for haptic stuff - that's the first thing I turn off on any phone, together with keyboard sounds23:01
parasemici personally dont give a single damn about the predicion, i want it gone and never see its ugly face again :D23:02
parasemicprediction*23:02
viqparasemic: you press the word to select autocompletion, it places space after it, now you press . or , and it appears after the word without a space in between them23:02
parasemicas you can see, the 2 last comments aren't mine but from one commentor23:02
viqoh, "by ozymandias"23:03
viqparasemic: in my defence I'll just repeat, me needz brainzz, erm, sleep23:03
parasemicah, the site if down again23:03
parasemicis*23:03
parasemicoh its not23:03
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parasemicjust "view more comments" is bugged and asks for login23:04
Pnuuit is :-/23:04
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phaerontemporary hiccup :)23:06
Milo-Now here is an idea what can't be mentioned on Together.23:06
parasemicbasically its more fun to stuff a stick of ice up my ass than write anything on Jolla, as  a) i cant trust the haptics one bit b) i have to manually turn to upper case letters all the time c) keep on putting dots in place of spaces and d) cant even fix the dots without hassle as the text is locked to the current word :D23:06
Milo-Jolla needs the same kind of back cover you could find from old Nokia E71. ( http://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/nokia/nokia-e71-02.jpg )23:06
Milo-Now please someone, make an other half like that. Aluminium with hint of rubber.23:07
parasemicdoubt this is the right place to ask either :p but a nice idea23:07
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Pnuutemporary (11 h, -ish) down time for me, currently at 90 %, excpecting 85 % when waking up23:09
Pnuugnight all23:09
viqOh, yeah, another thing I encountered - anyone knows whether WPA Enterprise is supported?23:09
FIQ<parasemic> i personally dont give a single damn about the predicion, i want it gone and never see its ugly face again :D23:09
FIQsounds like me23:09
FIQcan't you turn it off in settings or something?23:09
Pnuuviq: no23:09
Pnuuand, ->23:10
viqPnuu: thanks. Any idea whether it's planned?23:10
FireFlyviq: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaes-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ has a workaround23:11
FireFly(according to the comment that corresponds to WPA enterprise)23:11
viqthanks23:11
parasemicomg it hurts my soul how nobody votes or comment on my topic even though its the most viewed one!?23:11
viq...once it loads ;)23:12
FireFlyah.. it went down again23:12
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Milhouse@parasemic: I was just about to vote on your topic, but the site went down.23:12
FIQhow do you create a jolla account?23:13
FIQfor together23:13
FIQcan't seem to find it anywhere23:13
ElleoFIQ: it uses your general Jolla account23:13
parasemicMilhouse: it seems to be down alot. btw, highlight wont work (for me atleast?) if you use @ in the name23:13
ElleoFIQ: https://account.jolla.com/23:13
FIQElleo: which I don't have23:14
FIQthus I wondered how to sign up23:14
parasemicFIQ how can you not have one? https://account.jolla.com/23:15
ElleoFIQ: well, sign up with account.jolla.com then add a bug report to together.jolla.com about the non-obviousness of the sign up procedure ;)23:15
FIQbut there's no sign up button...23:15
parasemicaaaaand.. its back up again23:15
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ElleoFIQ: register, in the top right23:15
ElleoFIQ: https://account.jolla.com/registration/register/23:15
FIQElleo: there's just a weird blueish square there23:16
AJAX555oh23:16
FIQty for direct link23:16
FIQlet me print how it looks for me23:16
AJAX555I can't tweet from jolla?23:16
Pnuuparasemic: although I'm alread asleep: too much trafic?23:16
FIQin case I'm being stupid23:16
AJAX555unless I go to twitter website?23:16
parasemicpnuu: well it wasn't a question :p maybe you're too tired23:16
FIQhttp://home.fiq.se/jolla_signup.png am I missing something? :D23:16
parasemicbut go vote my topic kkthx xD23:16
ElleoFIQ: yeah, looks like a bug; does clicking the three little arrows drop down a menu or anything? looks sort of like it's giving a mobile version with a hidden menu perhaps?23:17
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Elleothree little lines*23:17
Pnuuparasemic: yes, I am too sleepy, but it was a questionish, but didn't get an answer ;-D23:18
FIQoh yes, something does happen if I do that23:18
FIQthe site flickers, change width, and then 2 links appear right under it... on the other side23:18
FIQseems like weird behaviour23:18
Pnuubut I'll try wade through the high-tide @ togehter23:19
Pnuu-typoeing23:19
FIQbut it's *far* from straightforward to understand that it is a button in first place23:19
FIQjust saying :p23:19
ElleoFIQ: yeah, no idea why it shows up like that for you, on actual mobile browsers it doesn't do it23:19
Pnuunow, shirley, it's time to sleep23:19
FIQusing chromium 31 in case that wasn't obvious from screenshot23:19
FIQcustomized to zoom 150%23:20
FIQthis might be what causes the issue23:20
ElleoI'm on version 30 without issues23:20
Elleoah yes23:20
FIQ(i.e. the zoom)23:20
Elleozoom out and it'll be okay23:20
ElleoI just zoomed in and when it hit 150% it changed23:20
Elleoso I guess they're trying to do something responsive and failing a bit23:20
FIQyes but then I can't read the page :D23:20
Elleoprobably a good idea to file a bug when you've managed to get an account so other people don't hit this too23:21
FireFlyIndeed23:21
FireFlythat's what together is for :D23:21
parasemichmm, i think 50 votes a day is a bit too much? 10 would be better23:22
Milhousecrap, you need 50 votes in order to remove a vote?23:29
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FIQhttp://home.fiq.se/jolla_login.png this is going well eh :p (btw, rezooming to 100% didn't solve anything)23:30
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MilhouseI think I had to click on "Hi there! Please sign in" at least twice.23:32
FIQnow the page doesn't load at all :P23:32
FireFlyI'm not seeing any jolla icon either now, great.23:33
FireFlyStskeeps: for when you wake up, something seems to be fishy with the login page for Together (I think you had a finger in that subproject?)23:35
parasemicmilhouse wat?23:37
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viqhuh, how does one catually sign in into the together page? "click the Jolla icon below", there is no icon below...23:51
Morpog_Jollathere is23:53
smokexmaybe your adblock scripts are a bit too inclusive?23:54
smokexor it might have trouble with specific browsers23:54
FIQI see nothing either...23:55
FIQ[00:34:06] <FireFly> I'm not seeing any jolla icon either now, great.23:55
FIQand also that23:55
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lpottersorry. known bug23:55
smokexhm me neither now on fire.. ah ok23:56
smokexlooks like the jolla logo on the top menu is cut in half too23:57
smokexon a 1024x768 display23:57
viqhow... reliable23:58
smokexfine on the 1366x768 monitor23:58
smokexeh its just some css23:58
lbt_viq: :D23:59
viqI fired up a firefox profile with no extensions, still see only the jolla logo at the top of the page23:59

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