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| tehdely | my jolla has arrived | 01:07 |
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| tehdely | will i be the first jolla user in san francisco? | 01:07 |
| tehdely | we shall see! | 01:07 |
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| * TSCHAKMac has been waiting on his Jolla to ship from his friend's house in Germany for two weeks, now... | 01:31 | |
| * TSCHAKMac was hoping to be the first Jolla user in the southwestern US :P | 01:31 | |
| TSCHAKMac | (Texas) | 01:31 |
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| covox | it's pretty awesome | 01:32 |
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| msknight | Stskeeps, you here please? | 04:24 |
| msknight | Stskeeps, part 3 of my blog for you - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=198 - hope some of the info is useful. | 04:25 |
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| tehdely | so, i have unboxed my jolla and | 05:40 |
| tehdely | only 900/2100 umts? | 05:40 |
| tehdely | being in the US, this means i'll be stuck on a (shrinking, soon to be decommissioned) EDGE network | 05:41 |
| tehdely | i understand the release was EU only but with off the shelf components i am surprised they didn't manage to at least get an 850/900/1900/2100 radio in there | 05:42 |
| tehdely | you would almost have to deliberately want to exclude the US :( | 05:42 |
| covox | tehdely: FWIW the phone has LTE hardware | 05:44 |
| tehdely | yes, but no operator is doing VoLTE right now | 05:44 |
| tehdely | and given how cagey jolla was about releasing radio specs, i wouldn't be surprised if they've managed to leave out US LTE bands as well | 05:45 |
| tehdely | so if LTE does end up working here, i'll be using 2G for voice and LTE for data | 05:45 |
| tehdely | and the 2G networks here are being turned down... | 05:45 |
| tehdely | it just seems shitty, is all. i had to go to great lengths to get this phone so i could be part of the community, and jolla withheld a crucial piece of info until the last minute | 05:45 |
| tehdely | and it's not like they wouldn't have known, months before, what bands the phone would support | 05:45 |
| covox | it was always going to be a GSM phone, unfortunately the US is pretty GSM hostile | 05:45 |
| tehdely | huh? the US circa 1995 was GSM hostile | 05:46 |
| tehdely | this is 2013. | 05:46 |
| tehdely | and the phone works fine on GSM here. the problem is UMTS. | 05:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Soon be 2014 :S | 05:46 |
| tehdely | yes. i will be using EDGE in 2014. i am shocked. i don't imagine Jolla even saved money on this. | 05:47 |
| tehdely | i'm hoping that there is actually a four-band radio in there | 05:47 |
| tehdely | and the additional bands just need to be enabled in hardware | 05:47 |
| msknight | I have to admit ... sitting here pondering ... the phone was released EU only initially ... you are aware of the situation with the bands ... and you still decided to go to trouble to get the phone. I have to admit to asking myself ... Why would you do that? | 05:47 |
| tehdely | s/hardware/software/ | 05:47 |
| tehdely | no | 05:47 |
| tehdely | i was NOT aware of the situation witht eh bands | 05:47 |
| tehdely | because jolla, for some reason, is continuing to withhold information on _what radio is in the phone_ | 05:47 |
| tehdely | that is like selling a car and not letting you know what gas it takes, or what engine is in it | 05:47 |
| msknight | But you know of the generic band situation between US and EU. | 05:47 |
| tehdely | yes, and i know that almost everybody's phone supports both these days | 05:48 |
| msknight | No, it's like coming to the UK and buying a right hand drive car, even though you drive on the right over there. | 05:48 |
| tehdely | you would have to go out of your way to not support both EU and US | 05:48 |
| tehdely | phones sold in the US can use euro UMTS. nearly any phone sold in europe can work on at least AT&T UMTS in the US | 05:48 |
| covox | you mean 850/1900? | 05:49 |
| tehdely | yes | 05:49 |
| tehdely | to ship a phone with 900/2100 only... in this day and age... | 05:49 |
| msknight | I am fairly antagonistic to Jolla at the moment ... they have started up and have a good way to go yet ... but even I have to stand in their defence on this. | 05:49 |
| tehdely | listen, i bought the phone expecting no support, and no warranty. these are things you get when you importl | 05:49 |
| msknight | You're asking a start up to do things at a price where more established players are able to toss technology in. | 05:49 |
| tehdely | but i was at least expecting 3G | 05:49 |
| tehdely | particularly when the specs say "Works on 6 continents" | 05:50 |
| msknight | Did you contact their sales team? | 05:50 |
| msknight | I did, on a number of matters. | 05:50 |
| tehdely | also, jolla is using a bunch of off-the-shelf hardware + libhybris, so it's not like they're building a phone from scratch | 05:50 |
| tehdely | they would have to deliberately want to exclude the US/canada | 05:50 |
| tehdely | i doubt it even cost them any less money | 05:50 |
| tehdely | as it is, the phone _is_ global for GSM | 05:50 |
| msknight | So ... how long before the phone becomes useless in the US? | 05:50 |
| covox | tehdely: are you a certified antenna engineer? | 05:50 |
| tehdely | no, otherwise i'd be cracking the phone open and seeing what's actually in there :) | 05:50 |
| msknight | So ... how long before the phone becomes useless in the US? | 05:51 |
| msknight | 5 years? 10 years? | 05:51 |
| tehdely | looks like 2017 | 05:51 |
| tehdely | but they'll start refarming spectrum way earlier than that, i'm sure | 05:51 |
| msknight | OK, so three years. | 05:51 |
| tehdely | in fact, they already have | 05:51 |
| msknight | How long would you expect the Jolla to last you? | 05:52 |
| tehdely | the last phone I used that was EDGE-only in the US was in 2007. just sayin. | 05:52 |
| msknight | 2 years is pushing it for most phones, IMHO | 05:52 |
| tehdely | dude, i won't have better than EDGE speeds when i'm out of my apartment. that's lame. that makes the phone barely usable right now | 05:52 |
| covox | tehdely: that's a risk you took? | 05:52 |
| tehdely | i will find a way to lvoe it | 05:52 |
| tehdely | but this i was absolutely not expecting | 05:53 |
| msknight | I'm a dudette, but never mind that. | 05:53 |
| tehdely | i stand corrected | 05:53 |
| tehdely | :) | 05:53 |
| msknight | :-D | 05:53 |
| msknight | Either way, they are worth supporting IMHO | 05:53 |
| DrainBamaged | I thought the 'ms' prefix was a dead giveaway :P | 05:53 |
| tehdely | for some reason i read it was msk night | 05:53 |
| msknight | Actually, MS are my first two initials, so it's actually MS M S Knight | 05:53 |
| msknight | :-) | 05:54 |
| msknight | IMHO, if anyone is going to "out-apple apple" it won't be Ubuntu, it will be Jolla. That's why I'm driving them hard. | 05:55 |
| tehdely | i'm coming from an N9. i support anyone who's continuing the work on making a polished linux phone | 05:55 |
| msknight | It might be possible to get an N9 and load Sailfish on it ... knowing that Jolla should be able to use the cash to work on the next phone. | 05:55 |
| tehdely | i was a nokia fanboy for many many years, and jolla comes as close as anyone i've seen to carrying on the spirit of the "old" nokia | 05:55 |
| tehdely | but one aspect of the old nokia i was hoping they wouldn't replicate, was old nokia's contempt for + ignorance of the US | 05:56 |
| special | (the performance of sailfish on N9 is unlikely to be acceptable, due to wayland and all) | 05:56 |
| tehdely | which bit them squarely in the ass, and now they're owned by americans :( | 05:56 |
| covox | and hasn't that worked out well | 05:56 |
| special | tehdely: I wouldn't say that it's contempt or ignorance, but simply reach | 05:56 |
| msknight | Well, the moment Nokia went for wassisname ... the ex-Microsoftie, the writing was on the wall. | 05:57 |
| tehdely | special: i think it is pretty cheeky to not publish radio specs on one's website until after phones are shipping | 05:57 |
| special | it's a small company, launching. Have to start somewhere, and the US is the absolute worst place to start. | 05:57 |
| tehdely | i don't need jolla to _start_ in the US. i just need the phone to be functional here | 05:57 |
| tehdely | like i said, i don't expect any warranty or other support. but it is not unreasonable to expect an additional 3G band. | 05:57 |
| special | I'm not sure what the deal is with radio bands. I agree it's annoying. | 05:57 |
| tehdely | plus, i heard that europeans like to travel occasionally. with their phones, even! ;) | 05:58 |
| msknight | As I say in work every now and then ... assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups. | 05:58 |
| covox | yeah, the 850 is really useful in australia | 05:58 |
| special | I've never actually noticed, since mine is always on prepaid SIMs that have no data anyway | 05:58 |
| tehdely | i live in san francisco. the second most popular language here seems to be french :P | 05:58 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: Yesterday evening my phone was at 80-something%. 6.30 when i woke up, screen was blank, did not react to buttons or doubletap. Inserted charging cable. Phone immediately started (did not boot, screen just turned on) and it said 75% charged | 05:58 |
| tehdely | anyhow, i will continue to grumble about this. not publishing the specs meant that i couldn't make a fully informed decision, and not supporting an additional 3G band probably saved almost no money | 05:59 |
| tehdely | (if anything) but made the phone way less functional in a large chunk of the world. | 05:59 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: www.atlaz.fi/system.journal | 05:59 |
| special | tehdely: I wonder if it would be worth posting on together.jolla.com about getting the precise list of supported bands? | 06:00 |
| msknight | You can continue to grumble ... or you could contact sales | 06:00 |
| special | or sales@, yes | 06:00 |
| tehdely | special: the 3G bands are on the website now | 06:00 |
| tehdely | 900/2100 | 06:00 |
| tehdely | but they weren't probably a week ago | 06:00 |
| tehdely | and the LTE bands are still missing... presumably because the LTE support isn't available in software yet | 06:00 |
| tehdely | but it would be nice to know what the radio supports | 06:00 |
| tehdely | also why would sales@jolla help an american? ;) | 06:01 |
| tehdely | i had to go to some interesting lengths to acquire this phone... | 06:01 |
| msknight | Well ... as you admit, you are partially in this situation because of your own making! | 06:01 |
| tehdely | there were chocolates involved | 06:01 |
| special | because you went to some interesting lengths to acquire the phone | 06:01 |
| special | we appreciate dedication :p | 06:01 |
| msknight | But you never know. The time you really test a company's metal is in the bad times. | 06:02 |
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| tehdely | msknight: yes but jolla has a part, too. not saying what radio your phone has until you're already shipping it is kind of cheeky. | 06:02 |
| tehdely | just sayin :) | 06:02 |
| msknight | atlaz, I think Stskeeps isn't at the keyboard at the moment. | 06:02 |
| tehdely | now should i go unbox the damn thing and set it up | 06:02 |
| tehdely | or wait until my boyfriend comes home | 06:02 |
| tehdely | so he can take photos :P | 06:02 |
| special | where are you seeing the bands, btw? | 06:02 |
| special | I don't see them on jolla.com or shop.jolla.com | 06:02 |
| msknight | Yes, tehdely , and you knew you were in the US, outside the published zone, and didn't contact them first. | 06:02 |
| tehdely | http://jolla.com | 06:02 |
| tehdely | under "Network & Connectivity" | 06:03 |
| tehdely | msknight: i don't think they would have told me, seeing as the website for the longest time said "this information will be published later" | 06:03 |
| atlaz | msknight: Yeah, he seems to be sleeping. But i bet his irssi is hiliting :) | 06:03 |
| tehdely | however, somehow gsminfo/etc. got the idea that the phone supported 850/900/1900/2100 | 06:03 |
| tehdely | so i went off of that | 06:03 |
| tehdely | figuring that they knew | 06:03 |
| tehdely | that'll be the last time i do that! | 06:03 |
| special | heh | 06:03 |
| special | gsminfo had specs on our phone before we did | 06:03 |
| special | literally. | 06:03 |
| msknight | LIke I said, assumption is the mother of all f**k ups :-) | 06:03 |
| tehdely | there is a silver lining to this | 06:04 |
| DrainBamaged | Your info has made me hold off buying Jolla for now, I'ma be in North America next year and phone is necessary | 06:04 |
| tehdely | i will use less data, and be less prone to take my phone out to fiddle w/ internet in social situations | 06:04 |
| tehdely | i may become a more affable, well-adjusted human being | 06:04 |
| special | or you'll get frustrated and buy an iphone like every other person in SF | 06:05 |
| tehdely | gross | 06:05 |
| msknight | ROTFL! Too true :-) | 06:05 |
| tehdely | i've held out this far | 06:05 |
| msknight | The way I've read it, the US bands are choking because everyone is using all the "unlimited data" that they've been sold. | 06:05 |
| tehdely | my phones were: nokia e61 -> e71 -> n97 + e72 -> n9 + 808pv -> now | 06:05 |
| tehdely | msknight: nah, 3G here is great now | 06:06 |
| tehdely | all the big data users are on 4G phones | 06:06 |
| tehdely | there's lots of room to breathe and stretch... | 06:06 |
| msknight | Pays to be one step behind :-) Smart. | 06:06 |
| tehdely | well | 06:06 |
| tehdely | i am now two steps behind | 06:06 |
| tehdely | does that mean it double-pays? | 06:06 |
| special | fwiw, I was streaming spotify on edge last week :p | 06:07 |
| msknight | Hmm.... welll..... that's where my theory may fall flat on it's face. | 06:07 |
| tehdely | is there a native spotify app for sailfish | 06:07 |
| tehdely | or are you using the android one | 06:07 |
| msknight | I actually jumped to the Jolla knowing that it didn't have any support for calling over wi-fi. | 06:07 |
| special | that was.. actually on an iphone | 06:07 |
| msknight | It is hurting me out in the sticks, but I'm living with it. | 06:07 |
| tehdely | no SIP stack? that can be fixed in software | 06:07 |
| tehdely | maybe i'll build asterisk on mine, heheh | 06:08 |
| tehdely | necessity is the mother of invention | 06:08 |
| special | architecturally, SIP should be fairly straightforward at least | 06:08 |
| msknight | I'd rather the invention done by Jolla :-) | 06:08 |
| tehdely | unless you are in SF, in which case "I think some venture capitalist will throw $30 million at me for this nonsense" is the mother of most invention | 06:08 |
| special | voice calling goes through telepathy, telepathy-rakia provides SIP | 06:08 |
| msknight | LOL! | 06:08 |
| special | little bit of glue and a little bit of UI | 06:08 |
| msknight | I've got a SIP system; my job is technical lead on a cloud telephony installation ... but the android app needs a widget, which the Jolla can't do right now. Even in a separate launcher, I get the Unsuported Action error when I try to place the widget. | 06:09 |
| tehdely | it's time for me to start playing with asterisk again. | 06:10 |
| msknight | So I'm putting pressure on Jolla to suppport widgets and the cloud supplier to support Sailfish. | 06:10 |
| tehdely | i used to get into all sorts of trouble with that :) | 06:10 |
| msknight | Anyway ... talking of getting in to trouble ... I've got to go to work. | 06:11 |
| atlaz | Im at work staring blanky at the wall, drinking coffee | 06:12 |
| atlaz | it's good to be boss | 06:12 |
| atlaz | *Blankly | 06:12 |
| DrainBamaged | Blanky sounds better | 06:12 |
| msknight | atlaz, not much of a boss staring at a wall. Should be staring out of a corner office window :-) | 06:12 |
| atlaz | msknight: at what? Do you have any idea how dark it is out there atm? :D | 06:13 |
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| msknight | atlaz, Where is there? | 06:13 |
| atlaz | It's like the darkest season of the year here in the north | 06:13 |
| msknight | 6:!3am here. | 06:13 |
| atlaz | Sun gets up at 10:16 and sets at 14:45 | 06:13 |
| DrainBamaged | Fellow Brit? | 06:13 |
| msknight | Yup. Deepest, darkest Sussex. | 06:13 |
| atlaz | Finnishhttp://goo.gl/maps/VzQ8z | 06:14 |
| msknight | atlaz, are you one of the Jolla team? | 06:14 |
| atlaz | msknight: nah | 06:14 |
| DrainBamaged | I always called it 'Suffix', next county to 'Ethics' :P | 06:14 |
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| msknight | Ah. I've just got my latest blog post to pass on to Stskeeps | 06:14 |
| special | stskeeps is asleep if he has any sense at all | 06:14 |
| msknight | LOL @ DrainBamaged - good one! | 06:14 |
| msknight | True. True. | 06:15 |
| msknight | Anyway, I'd better hit the road before my boss hits me. | 06:15 |
| msknight | Chow! | 06:15 |
| DrainBamaged | Bai \o | 06:15 |
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| atlaz | Im 30-years old and it is just now hitting me that i've been living all my life at the same latitude as Alaska | 06:16 |
| atlaz | I've always been sorry for those fuckers having to freeze their ass off | 06:17 |
| atlaz | But...but im just a fellow Alaskian | 06:17 |
| DrainBamaged | Alaskans still get paid for living there too? | 06:17 |
| tehdely | ok, now time to pretend i'm a gadget blogger and take a bunch of unboxing photos | 06:17 |
| atlaz | No, longitude | 06:17 |
| atlaz | No wait which way does it go | 06:17 |
| atlaz | Latitude. | 06:18 |
| special | weather conditions are a bit different, though. | 06:18 |
| DrainBamaged | tehdely - film it | 06:18 |
| special | and elevation matters | 06:18 |
| atlaz | Sure. But by living on the coast you're guaranteed with cold summers and cold winters! | 06:18 |
| atlaz | Im at friggin Yukon heights! http://mapfrappe.com/IsoLonLat.html | 06:21 |
| atlaz | Im more north than ANchorage | 06:21 |
| atlaz | Christ | 06:21 |
| DrainBamaged | Where are you? | 06:21 |
| atlaz | DrainBamaged: http://goo.gl/maps/VzQ8z | 06:21 |
| DrainBamaged | That's very northern | 06:23 |
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| tehdely | ok so i'm setting it up | 06:35 |
| tehdely | should i skip app install | 06:35 |
| tehdely | until i've upgraded sailfish | 06:35 |
| tehdely | i'm just going to assume that there's an update waiting for me | 06:35 |
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| tehdely | this interface is totes adorbs | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | huh? :P | 06:45 |
| tehdely | just getting used to pulley menus, etc | 06:46 |
| tehdely | swipe i am already familiar with from the N9 | 06:46 |
| tehdely | still a little grumbly about no US UMTS ;___; | 06:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Stskeeps, allow me to translate. 'totes adorbs' means 'totally adorable' | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 06:48 |
| tehdely | any idea how long the software update should take to download/ there is no rpogress meter | 06:49 |
| tehdely | also, does developer mode work like it does on n9, where I can ssh into the phone over wifi | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes, yes | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | and there is a progress meter, it's just slow at first | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: i probably need you to run journalctl -n 5000 or the likes :) | 06:49 |
| tehdely | Stskeeps: you work for jolla? | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | i do | 06:50 |
| tehdely | a q: why no US UMTS in the radio? it's only 1-2 additional bands | 06:50 |
| tehdely | i was a little shocked when i got the box today and it said 900/2100 only | 06:50 |
| tehdely | it means i am stuck on EDGE here :/ | 06:50 |
| tehdely | i've already been over this with everyone else but i thought i'd ask another sailor :) | 06:51 |
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| Stskeeps | tehdely: well, we're not in the US market, but the technical reason is probably more closer to certification (there's no FCC label) and there's probably some production reason | 06:51 |
| tehdely | i just figure it's probably pretty hard to find an off the shelf radio that isn't at least quad-band UMTS these days | 06:52 |
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| tehdely | so i'm wondering if the limitation isn't perhaps in the firmware | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, maybe it's PCB design or something, it's different frequencies and all | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not really into deep HW details :) | 06:54 |
| tehdely | i am still seeing no progress meter on the sw update. perhaps i need to enable developer mode | 06:54 |
| tehdely | so i can just tail -f something ;> | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | well you can probably watch pkmon | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | and no, i don't mean pokemon | 06:54 |
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| tehdely | "Enabling developer mode" just sitting there... | 06:56 |
| tehdely | i am afraid to interrupt anything on this device | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's waiting for the update download to finish | 06:56 |
| tehdely | a-ha | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | can't ask the package daemon to do two things at a time | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be so 2013 ;) | 06:57 |
| tehdely | what's it using? yum? | 06:57 |
| tehdely | sailfish uses rpm, doesn't it | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | packagekit with libzypp backend and rpm | 06:58 |
| tehdely | still seeing no progress meter :( | 06:59 |
| tehdely | i am worried it has actually been interrupted | 06:59 |
| tehdely | and will never finish | 06:59 |
| tehdely | oh woe is me | 06:59 |
| tehdely | oh never mind | 07:00 |
| tehdely | "Ready to install" | 07:00 |
| tehdely | :) | 07:00 |
| tehdely | impatient? me? no.... | 07:00 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: k, just tell me what to do | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, a cup of coffee would be nice.. :P | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | but seriously though, journalctl -n 50000 > log.file | 07:01 |
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| tehdely | what is the user i'm sshing in as | 07:07 |
| tehdely | i enabled dev mode | 07:07 |
| atlaz | nemo | 07:07 |
| tehdely | ty | 07:07 |
| tehdely | interesting | 07:08 |
| tehdely | after reboot | 07:08 |
| tehdely | it's saying "problem with store. problem with upgrading" | 07:08 |
| tehdely | and the system update is still showing as available | 07:08 |
| tango_ | tehdely: you upgrade before doing the system upgrade | 07:08 |
| tango_ | there's a faq about that | 07:08 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: this is why we need the faq to be on Merbot and not just your logs 8-) | 07:08 |
| tehdely | link pls? | 07:08 |
| tango_ | tehdely: just a sec | 07:08 |
| tango_ | ======== | 07:08 |
| tango_ | = | 07:09 |
| tango_ | sorry baby on keyboard | 07:09 |
| tango_ | tehdely: try this https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-a | 07:09 |
| tango_ | re-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855hm | 07:10 |
| tango_ | hm no | 07:10 |
| tehdely | also, what is the developer repo that i need creds for | 07:10 |
| tehdely | do i just use my jolla.com creds? | 07:10 |
| tehdely | or do i have to register somewhere | 07:10 |
| tango_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 07:10 |
| tango_ | this | 07:10 |
| tehdely | thx | 07:10 |
| tehdely | grr Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) | 07:10 |
| tango_ | I don't know about that | 07:11 |
| tehdely | it is probably time for my first factory reset already | 07:11 |
| tango_ | maybe you need a jolla account? not sure | 07:11 |
| atlaz | devel-su? | 07:11 |
| tehdely | no, i mean in the developer mode settings | 07:12 |
| tehdely | there is some stuff there about a repository | 07:12 |
| tehdely | and it wants a user/password | 07:12 |
| atlaz | Do..not..enable..that | 07:12 |
| tango_ | leave it alone, you don't need that | 07:12 |
| tehdely | but anyhow i have a device that won't upgrade itself, so i've got a different set of problems now :) | 07:12 |
| tango_ | tehdely: see the link above | 07:12 |
| tango_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 <- this one | 07:12 |
| tehdely | yes | 07:12 |
| tehdely | problem i'm having is not solved by that link | 07:12 |
| tango_ | ah ok | 07:12 |
| tehdely | so, how do i factory reset? i think it is time :) | 07:13 |
| tango_ | hm no idea about that either. it's in system settings somewhere iirc | 07:13 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: -50000 only shows messages from 8:30 onward | 07:14 |
| * tango_ is starting to hate tehdely because they make him feel useless | 07:14 | |
| tango_ | ;-) | 07:14 |
| atlaz | I guess you want logs from the time of the "crash" | 07:14 |
| tango_ | I hate not being able to help people | 07:14 |
| tehdely | don't worry, i am also busily trying to help myself | 07:14 |
| tango_ | I want tmux on the jolla | 07:14 |
| tango_ | (why? because it's better than screen that's why) | 07:15 |
| Kilroo | that discussion above about SIP gave me a chuckle | 07:15 |
| atlaz | I need to go for a morning poop but my phone is busy parsing logs for Stskeeps :((( | 07:17 |
| atlaz | I cant poop without my Jolla | 07:17 |
| Kilroo | my current home and mobile phone solution involves Google Voice, pbxes.org, Voxox, IPKall an Obi110, and a lot of metaphorical duct tape. | 07:17 |
| Kilroo | And one more comma than I used. | 07:17 |
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| tehdely | doing a factory reset... we'll see if that helps | 07:18 |
| Kilroo | good luck. | 07:18 |
| tango_ | atlaz: the wifi doesn't arrive in your bathroom? | 07:19 |
| Kilroo | I probably ought to stop autojoining this channel, since I've pretty nearly decided that I won't be getting a Jolla unless the Neo900 project fails to deliver a production run... | 07:19 |
| tango_ | Kilroo: how so? | 07:19 |
| tango_ | btw let me know if the neo900 rolls out | 07:20 |
| tango_ | and you can always load sos on neo900 8-) | 07:20 |
| atlaz | tango_: i work in a house built of stone,cement and metal in the 50's. Wifi is on the second floor. Toilet on the first. No, i don't get Wifi to the toilet :) | 07:20 |
| tango_ | atlaz: you need more repeaters | 07:20 |
| tango_ | MOAR RIPITAAAAAHS | 07:20 |
| atlaz | 3G somehow works well | 07:20 |
| atlaz | I use Wifi on my phone maybe 5% of the time | 07:20 |
| tango_ | you definitely need more repeaters | 07:21 |
| tango_ | I'm lucky because in the corner of my house where my wifi doesn't arrive I get the wifi frommy parents' | 07:21 |
| Kilroo | tango_: Budget considerations. If I can get a neo900, my tech budget doesn't have room for a Jolla for a while. If I can't get a neo900, I'll probably fall back to a Jolla. The bands matter less to me than to most Americans, most likely, since my data connection is mostly through FreedomPop and InternetOnTheGo anyhow...I only enable data on my T-mobile plan in emergencies as it is. | 07:21 |
| Kilroo | ...It should be noted that this either-or in my tech budget is partly due to my failing to resist the Transformer Book Trio. If I hadn't bought that, I might have gone for both phones. | 07:22 |
| tango_ | btw I think the neon900 should be called neon950 | 07:22 |
| Kilroo | Can't say I agree, to be honest. | 07:23 |
| atlaz | Hgnh. The loggymajongy hasen't even started writing the file yet | 07:23 |
| Kilroo | They're trying to make sure it can run Fremantle moreso than Harmattan and they're designing it to fit in an n900 case, not an n950. | 07:23 |
| tango_ | right | 07:25 |
| tango_ | I would actually preferred to see n950s in production instead | 07:25 |
| tango_ | oh well | 07:25 |
| tango_ | and you CAN target freemantle for a n950 too 8-) | 07:26 |
| Kilroo | That would have been nice, but not as feasible for a community-driven project. | 07:26 |
| Kilroo | True enough, but in terms of connotations, it would have been potentially misleading. | 07:26 |
| tango_ | right | 07:26 |
| Kilroo | Heck, I have every intention of trying to boot...well, at this point, probably about half a dozen different OSes on the neo900... | 07:28 |
| Kilroo | anyhow, according to the how-much-effort-does-keeping-my-neck-straight-require timepiece, it's past my bedtime. Good night. | 07:30 |
| tango_ | night | 07:33 |
| tehdely | here's a silly question | 07:39 |
| tehdely | where do i change the ambiance? | 07:39 |
| tehdely | i just want to pick a different color :) | 07:39 |
| atlaz | gallery -> ambiance | 07:39 |
| tehdely | a-ha | 07:40 |
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| atlaz | Stskeeps: -100000 still starts at 8:30 | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: hmm | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | seems like i need to revise my methods | 07:49 |
| atlaz | Dec 31 08:29:34 localhost msyncd[1278]: [W] InterruptWriterThread::run:418 - InterruptWriterThread delaying: 11 <-- i get these about 10/sec in the log | 07:50 |
| atlaz | so it fills it up the log faster than i can parse it | 07:51 |
| atlaz | or whatever it's called | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | that looks a bit funky indeed | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | are you on usb? | 07:52 |
| atlaz | not at the moment no | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: could you file a together.* item on that exact message? | 07:52 |
| atlaz | I don't understand what you mean | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | ie, file a item on together.jolla.com with that being in log 10/sec, tag 'bug' | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | so we remember to look into it | 07:53 |
| atlaz | Okaydokay | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | nothing should spam 10 times a sec :) | 07:53 |
| tehdely | second time's the charm | 07:56 |
| tehdely | update went fine | 07:56 |
| tehdely | if i haven't had to factory reset a device within 10 minutes of opening it, i am doing something wrong | 07:56 |
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| Topiset | Hello, can someone help me with the update? I have been following tehdely. In the time tehdely has done a factory reset and and update, my Jolla just "checks for updates" forever. | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Topiset: do you have a jolla account? | 07:58 |
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| Topiset | yes | 07:58 |
| Topiset | and it is activated, I think. | 07:58 |
| Topiset | I mean on the phone. | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, are you on 3G or wifi? | 08:00 |
| Topiset | WiFi | 08:00 |
| Topiset | I am also on 1.0.0.5 | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | got developer mode by chance? | 08:01 |
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| Topiset | I am afraid I cannot enter it. It will show the progress bar until 2/3 and then nothing happens. | 08:02 |
| Frye | Hmm, my store says "You will be able to see content here once it's available" Is there something going on with the store or my device :-) | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: okay | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | Frye: seems like nuclear war was declared and somebody emptied our store for supplies.. :P | 08:03 |
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| Frye | So I don't need to get a hammer and try to make the store work by force on my device :D | 08:04 |
| Frye | I'll be waiting then :-) | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: i'll flash 1.0.0.5 and see if i can reproduce | 08:06 |
| Topiset | ok. Thank you. | 08:07 |
| Topiset | Might there be some strange problems with the ports? From work it keeps always checking. From home I sometime got an update message, but whenever I tried to update (or enter into developer mode) I got a little blue banner at the top saying that there was a problem with Store. | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: does web browser function as expected? | 08:10 |
| Topiset | yes | 08:10 |
| Topiset | well, my current location in mainland China, but I don't see that this should be an issue. I cannot access FB nor Youtube, etc. but e.g. jolla.com works. | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that complicates matters maybe a little bit :) | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Topiset: would you be against a factory reset, not install any apps in the startup wizard and then install developer mode at first chance you get? and then we'll observe the package daemon's logs | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | also, you're on a jolla device, right? and not a n9/n950 | 08:14 |
| Topiset | I have done already factory reset twice today :) No problem. Do you mean the one that I can do from the settings menu, right? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:14 |
| Topiset | Jolla. | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think you're our first jolla customer in mainland china, so i'm very interested in seeing how our infra holds up | 08:15 |
| Topiset | Let's do it. | 08:15 |
| Topiset | So I just select in Settings the Factory reset, right? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:15 |
| Topiset | I have it in Finnish, but it the lowermost option there. | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | then log in with a jolla account in the startup wizard, don't download any apps, then go to settings -> developer mode, enable, wait until it's enabled | 08:16 |
| Topiset | do I wait for it to reboot by itself? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | no, when there's no more LED on, turn it on again | 08:16 |
| Topiset | Ok, chose the language, now I go through the original intro. | 08:18 |
| Topiset | told me to wait and now asks me the pin. chose the color, chose time, skipped my own info. | 08:19 |
| Topiset | now on the account page. | 08:19 |
| Topiset | should I use the one I have used before? | 08:19 |
| Topiset | i.e., the second option, sign in with existing account? | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | existing | 08:19 |
| Topiset | should I connect now to a WiFi or 3G? | 08:20 |
| Topiset | before signing in? | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | wifi i guess is best | 08:20 |
| Topiset | Hmm, I cannot get to the web browser to enter my weblogin for the wifi | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah, a portal wifi.. | 08:21 |
| Topiset | yes. | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | just add the account in settings afterwards then | 08:21 |
| Topiset | ok, now it says it is loading account information. | 08:22 |
| Topiset | and for the first time in a long time I get offered to chose some programs. | 08:23 |
| Topiset | should I avoid chosing any? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah for now | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | just so you follow same steps as me on my device here in poland | 08:24 |
| Topiset | ok, now I passed the swiping intro. | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | did it create a jolla account, if you know? | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | just check in settings | 08:25 |
| Topiset | at least it shows in my accounts | 08:25 |
| Topiset | and it seems that the browser loads | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | now go to settings -> system settings -> about product, and check for updates in the pulley menu | 08:26 |
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| Topiset | does not allow me because it already says that it is looking for updates. | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok, give it a bit then | 08:27 |
| Topiset | ok, now I can select it | 08:27 |
| Topiset | now it is looking for updates with the nice circling ring. Last time it stayed like that for hald an hour. | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damnit | 08:28 |
| Topiset | half | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | i should have told you to enable developer mode | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't gotten enough coffee this morning | 08:28 |
| Topiset | should I factory reset again? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't mind - sorry about the trouble | 08:29 |
| Topiset | ok. | 08:29 |
| Topiset | wait | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | after you finish wizard, go to enable developer mode | 08:29 |
| Topiset | it told me now that there is an update available. | 08:29 |
| Topiset | should I anyway go reset or should I try to install the update? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's try to install update then | 08:30 |
| Topiset | it offers me 1.0.2-10.12.5 | 08:30 |
| Topiset | ij´´ó | 08:30 |
| Topiset | ok | 08:30 |
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| Topiset | "loading". I will give it a minute. The progress bar is not advancing, only the initial bit. Been here before already often :) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it takes 1-2 minutes for me to really warm up | 08:31 |
| tehdely | hmm | 08:32 |
| tehdely | i am trying to do an nfc pairing with my nokia speaker | 08:32 |
| tehdely | doesn't seem to be working | 08:32 |
| tehdely | it should at least buzz | 08:32 |
| tehdely | is nfc on or off by default | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really have nfc on the device; it's used exclusively for TOH purposes | 08:32 |
| tehdely | gotcha | 08:32 |
| fk_lx | Is American or British English recommend on together? | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | australian english | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:33 |
| fk_lx | I'm asking because my "favorite" was turned to "favourite" | 08:33 |
| fk_lx | by Eric | 08:33 |
| fk_lx | :-P | 08:33 |
| covox | maaaate :) | 08:34 |
| fk_lx | and I don't see sense in such changes | 08:34 |
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| fk_lx | ;-) | 08:34 |
| ln- | it's consistent with "harbour" at least | 08:35 |
| Topiset | still in the same loading stage. | 08:35 |
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| fk_lx | ln-: haha :-) | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: okay, let's do a reset and get some debugging on it | 08:36 |
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| Topiset | ok | 08:36 |
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| Topiset | now again loading account information. | 08:41 |
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| Topiset | ok, passed the intro program | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, now settings -> developer mode | 08:43 |
| Topiset | so let's go to the developer mode. I follow you. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | and enable it, it should get enabled and install a terminal | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | in the icon grid | 08:43 |
| Topiset | only developer mode, right? not allow developer updates. | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | don't touch developer updates :) | 08:45 |
| tehdely | installing the google play store stuff. i love installing random binaries from people i don't know | 08:46 |
| tehdely | but i must hvae snapchat | 08:46 |
| Topiset | showing me the progress ants, short bars moving from left to right. | 08:46 |
| tehdely | i have waited years, YEARS, for a device that would run any mainstream apps | 08:46 |
| tehdely | and now that i have one | 08:46 |
| tehdely | i must have snapchat. | 08:46 |
| covox | Stskeeps: out of interest, under what circumstances would one enable the developer updates | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: ok, give it a bit | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | covox: times when you'd like to avoid getting updates if you're not a jolla employee :P | 08:46 |
| covox | oh right, so it basically switches everything over to manual? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | it switches things over to non-public infra which is bad for ones sanity | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:48 |
| Frye | My sanity is already gone. Please let me in ;-) | 08:48 |
| Frye | I need more coffee | 08:48 |
| Milo- | I have coffee | 08:48 |
| Frye | I have too. I just need to activate and go and get it | 08:49 |
| Topiset | still ants :D | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: if it hasn't changed in 5 minutes, go out, exit settings, and enter again | 08:50 |
| Topiset | They left by themselves. | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok, enabled now? | 08:51 |
| Topiset | now it is offering again the menu for developer mode, but it is turned off, so I guess I have to still enable it. | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:51 |
| Topiset | should I try to enable again? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | that was weird behaviour. | 08:51 |
| Topiset | so there we go again. | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | you had a jolla account added, right? | 08:52 |
| Topiset | For me it is not weird. It is the usual behaviour I have had so far. Was only able to enter the developer mode once, at the beginning. Did not try again until I could not update, but then it was too late and I could never enter it again. | 08:52 |
| Topiset | I guess, if it was offering me the programs from the shop. | 08:53 |
| Topiset | I don't want to interrupt the ants now to check the accounts. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | true | 08:53 |
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| covox | awesooome, SDL mainline integrated the qtwayland bits | 08:56 |
| * covox ditches his frankenstein wayland tree and gets to work | 08:57 | |
| Topiset | ok, did not enter the developer mode. | 08:57 |
| Topiset | the jolla account seems to be there | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: hmm that's annoying | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | do a reboot and try again | 08:58 |
| Topiset | tell me about it. | 08:58 |
| Topiset | reboot only. | 08:58 |
| Topiset | coming up. | 08:58 |
| suy | covox: sdl <-> qtwayland? or you mean plain wayland? | 08:59 |
| Topiset | Ok, not it detected Snowwhite. | 09:00 |
| Topiset | I installed it, and it shows that an update is available. | 09:00 |
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| Topiset | I will try developer mode, nonetheless, right? | 09:01 |
| covox | suy: there was a patchset made up which had both wayland and qtwayland (i.e. extensions for window management, events, etc) support | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: yes | 09:01 |
| covox | the wayland bit got in, but the qtwayland bits were held up for a bit | 09:02 |
| Topiset | ants... | 09:02 |
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| covox | it's paid off though, they've been refactored :) | 09:02 |
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| Tofe | ah, where's logcat again? | 09:03 |
| pp_ | /opt/alien/system/bin | 09:04 |
| Tofe | ty | 09:04 |
| Topiset | Stskeeps: now there is a continuous progress bar. At around 1/3. My best so far was 2/3 before giving some problem. | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's hope it gets through | 09:05 |
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| Topiset | went to around 45 % and now back at the ants. | 09:08 |
| Topiset | got in! | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | yay | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok, keep a terminal open with 'pkmon' running and then let's start an update | 09:10 |
| dTA | meh, i wish i had wget on the phone | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | curl -O | 09:10 |
| Topiset | ok, so just open terminal and type "pkmon" | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:11 |
| Topiset | I don't want to screw it up after getting so far :) | 09:11 |
| AJAX555 | oh my, 2nd time when I manage to crash my jolla | 09:11 |
| dTA | yea i suppose curl would work at least for rpm dls | 09:11 |
| Topiset | ok, daemon connected = 0, same = 1 and network status online | 09:12 |
| Topiset | should I type now curl -O? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: no, that was for dTA :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: just go start an update now in about product | 09:12 |
| Topiset | now it says in the update sailfish page: "looking" | 09:13 |
| Topiset | or searching or whatever it is in English | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:15 |
| Topiset | still searching. Terminal showed some transactions. | 09:15 |
| Topiset | wow. You are the master! Now it says it is updated! | 09:16 |
| Topiset | how do I continue from here? Still feeling very careful :) | 09:17 |
| Topiset | hmmm, the device info still shows 1.0.0.5 and that there is an available update. | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | well, you need to install the update | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | check for updates -> says there's updates available -> pulley menu -> install update | 09:20 |
| Topiset | ok, I thought it had done it when it said that it had updated the device. | 09:20 |
| Topiset | ok, here we go again. | 09:20 |
| Topiset | still at the beginning of the update progressbar. | 09:21 |
| Topiset | the pkmon shows some progress though in "percentage" | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:23 |
| Topiset | after getting to percentage 50, blue banner on top with "problem with store" and something relating to the update. pkmon says status finished | 09:27 |
| Topiset | try again? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's try to get some logs then.. | 09:27 |
| Topiset | the gui progress bar never went past the initial 4 % | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-c the pkmon process | 09:27 |
| Topiset | let's | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | pkmon &> log.pkmon & | 09:27 |
| tehdely | Topiset: i haven't been on top of your travails tonight | 09:27 |
| tehdely | but i do know that when i did things in the following precise order, it worked: | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | and try update again | 09:28 |
| tehdely | 1) factory reset phone | 09:28 |
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| tehdely | 2) set up phone fresh | 09:28 |
| tehdely | 3) check for updates | 09:28 |
| tehdely | 4) do nothing else, until the update's ready to install | 09:28 |
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| tehdely | 5) install update, watch progress bar, reboot automatically | 09:28 |
| tehdely | 6) enable devmode | 09:28 |
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| tehdely | i am in love w/ my jolla btw. i think i will learn to live with the lack of 3G. it is a delight to use and behold | 09:29 |
| tehdely | i just wish i had a case to protect it | 09:29 |
| tehdely | it is too obscure a phone for anyone to be making a case :/ | 09:29 |
| covox | it's surprisingly robust | 09:29 |
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| dTA | your provider has 850mhz 3g or why wouldnt it work? | 09:30 |
| tehdely | i'm in the US | 09:30 |
| Topiset | tehdely: Thank you, I cannot get the update yet :( | 09:30 |
| Topiset | Stskeeps: access denied | 09:30 |
| Topiset | or permission denied | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: err.. | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: run 'cd' first | 09:30 |
| tehdely | i'm really, really keeping my fingers crossed that 850/1900 is disabled in firmware | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, you're probably in / | 09:30 |
| tehdely | and that the radio actually supports it | 09:30 |
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| Topiset | yes | 09:31 |
| tehdely | and perhaps some future update might enable it. perhaps the same one that enables LTE | 09:31 |
| dTA | ye | 09:31 |
| Topiset | where to cd? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: just write 'cd' | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | goes to $HOME | 09:31 |
| Topiset | ok, in /home/nemo | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | then try again | 09:31 |
| tehdely | maybe i've just been spoiled by nokia releasing all their phones (at least symbian + n9) as pentaband UMTS | 09:31 |
| tehdely | i'm sure the lumias are locked down to regions and annoying | 09:32 |
| Topiset | ok, went through | 09:32 |
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| Topiset | Stskeeps, the log shows only: | 09:42 |
| Topiset | Transactions: | 09:42 |
| Topiset | [none] | 09:42 |
| Topiset | daemon connected = 0 | 09:43 |
| Topiset | daemon connected = 1 | 09:43 |
| Topiset | network status = online | 09:43 |
| Topiset | daemon connected = 0 | 09:43 |
| Topiset | that's it | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | no percentage mentions like there was when you were seeing it interactively? | 09:43 |
| TemeV | tehdely: jolla.com says GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents), so it should work in US too :) | 09:43 |
| Topiset | nope | 09:44 |
| Topiset | I checked with more | 09:44 |
| TemeV | I mean HW should support so maybe it is just disabled from the sw | 09:44 |
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| Topiset | I guess I will retry with pkmon | 09:51 |
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| b0bben_ | morning all (who are on GMT+1 ;) | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Topiset: bit surprised no output came, but anyway, if you can get me the bottom message when it stops wanting to update in client.. | 09:54 |
| b0bben_ | with the latest update, i can't get my USB debugging working from my mac | 09:54 |
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| b0bben_ | i have dev mode on, etc etc, but the QTCreator just can't find the device, nor can i ssh into it | 09:55 |
| b0bben_ | works fine on wifi BTW | 09:55 |
| Topiset | it is showing up shortly, before disappearing | 09:55 |
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| Topiset | now the log is even shorter | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | probably doesn't try to refresh repo | 10:01 |
| Topiset | daemon connected = 0 does not appear any time | 10:01 |
| Topiset | so how to handle it? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok, anyway, give me the last 4-5 lines from it, the ones that look descriptive | 10:02 |
| Topiset | from the log? | 10:02 |
| Topiset | or the interactive pkmon? | 10:03 |
| Topiset | the log I already gave you | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | interactive pkmon | 10:03 |
| Topiset | interactive says | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | start up pkmon, try to do an update/download update | 10:03 |
| Topiset | Transactions: | 10:03 |
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| Topiset | 1 /40_edcdcbac | 10:04 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac | 10:04 |
| Topiset | with the trailing slash | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:05 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac percentage -1 | 10:05 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac role refresh-cache | 10:05 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac status setup | 10:05 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac status refresh-cache | 10:05 |
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| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac percentage 0 | 10:06 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac percentage 12 | 10:06 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac percentage 25 | 10:06 |
| Topiset | 40_edcdcbac status finished | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that sounds funky.. | 10:06 |
| Topiset | that's it | 10:06 |
| Topiset | now transactions none | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | and that is same reaction you get from trying to download update? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it finishes when says status finished | 10:07 |
| Topiset | I guess it finishes there | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | so to be clear, you select 'download update' in the pulley menu in about product | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | not 'check for update' | 10:08 |
| Topiset | I don't have my eyes there all the time, but pretty probably | 10:08 |
| atlaz | My question on together.jolla.com is the least viewed question all time :( | 10:08 |
| atlaz | I don't know how to make sexy questions | 10:09 |
| Topiset | yes, from the pulley | 10:09 |
| Topiset | brings me to the shop | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:09 |
| Topiset | and I pull again | 10:09 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: which question? | 10:09 |
| atlaz | ggabriel: the one Stskeeps forced me to put up https://together.jolla.com/question/7411/interruptwriterthread-floods-journal-log/ | 10:09 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: prolly too techie for the normal folk ;-) i voted | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: okay, do a 'pkcon refresh' | 10:10 |
| atlaz | ggabriel: do i get virtual penis from votes? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | there's karma on the site, yes | 10:11 |
| atlaz | oh wow i got a badge! | 10:11 |
| atlaz | no two! | 10:11 |
| Topiset | ok | 10:11 |
| atlaz | This is going on my CV | 10:11 |
| tango_ | virtual penis, lol | 10:11 |
| Topiset | done | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: don't get too excited | 10:11 |
| Topiset | should I ctrl-C? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: did it go through without errors? | 10:13 |
| atlaz | Now my linkedin is updated. "Popular question asker on together.jolla.com" | 10:13 |
| tango_ | lol | 10:13 |
| Topiset | similar entry like in the plmon case | 10:13 |
| atlaz | Just waiting for someone recruiting a new CEO | 10:13 |
| Topiset | pkmon | 10:13 |
| covox | atlaz: get some business cards printed up :) | 10:13 |
| atlaz | covox: good idea! | 10:14 |
| atlaz | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/473480_10150677047229286_568748487_o.jpg i still got a bunch of my old ones left :( | 10:14 |
| atlaz | I've changed title twice since i got those printed :( | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: finishes with "Refreshing software list (25%)" ? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | or just "Refreshing software list" | 10:15 |
| Topiset | I saw the banner now | 10:16 |
| Topiset | Problem in store | 10:16 |
| Topiset | problem in the update | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:16 |
| Topiset | that is all | 10:16 |
| Topiset | actually problem in the update: | 10:16 |
| Topiset | with : | 10:16 |
| Topiset | and nothing after | 10:16 |
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| Topiset | no, pkmon refresh never went into the percentages | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | okay, just finished and returned to bash? | 10:17 |
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| Topiset | no, it is still running | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 10:18 |
| Topiset | I can ctrl C it | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-c and try again | 10:18 |
| Topiset | with refresh? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:19 |
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| Topiset | Stskeeps, I have to leave now, the new year is getting upon us here in China and Jolla is not going to keep me from celebrating :) | 10:19 |
| Topiset | thank you for your help, I will try again. | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | have a good new year! | 10:20 |
| Topiset | you too. Happy new year to everyone. | 10:20 |
| Topiset | And I will be back for the updates :) | 10:20 |
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| Kiranos | how do I see all comments here https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 10:25 |
| Kiranos | might be stupid but cant find how to see all | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: there's a show all comments link somewhere | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | it is per question/answer though | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: there are very few comments there :) | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | wow, loads of people want mms | 10:26 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/#comment-7456 | 10:27 |
| Kiranos | I cant explain that though :) | 10:27 |
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| ggabriel | Kiranos: i don't understand your point | 10:28 |
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| Kiranos | I cant find these comments without linking it with #comment-7456 | 10:30 |
| Kiranos | if I go to the mainpage I only see the first 4-5 | 10:30 |
| Kiranos | dont know how to see the rest | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: something wrong with your browser? are you blocking anything? | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | I can't see the link either | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: what link? | 10:32 |
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| Kiranos | Ive tried both ff and chome | 10:32 |
| Kiranos | can only see first 5 comments https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 10:32 |
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| ggabriel | Kiranos: there are only 5 comments | 10:32 |
| Kiranos | dont know how to see the rest when visiting | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | or maybe i am the one missing something | 10:32 |
| Kiranos | [11:27:37] <Kiranos> ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/#comment-7456 | 10:33 |
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| Kiranos | ggabriel: ^ did you visit that? | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | yes, both pages are identical | 10:33 |
| Kiranos | not for me | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | did you try to force refresh? | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | maybe somebody deleted a comment and it's there in the cache, so that's why you see it | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | i duno | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | i always saw 5 comments, regardless of the url :) | 10:33 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/?comment=7456#comment-7456 | 10:33 |
| Kiranos | if you try that | 10:33 |
| Kiranos | its what I get from the email | 10:33 |
| Kiranos | s | 10:34 |
| Kiranos | alot more comments | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | oh yeah | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: the "see all comments" | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | no, no link here Nicd- | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | ok, maybe a bug | 10:35 |
| Kiranos | I can submit a questing about it | 10:35 |
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| ggabriel | be my guest | 10:35 |
| softmetz | hi. I just got my jolla mobes and discover new urls and subdomains every day. is there somewhere one overview to rule them all? (together, harbour, etc.)# | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | softmetz: depends what you are looking for | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | official jolla info: jolla.com, jolla.zendesk.com, jolla.com/guide | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | collaborative platform (for bugs, features): together.jolla.com | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | and loads of forum-like discussions in talk.maemo.org, some in jollausers.com | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | except for the official ones, most community places link to other places, so you will find more and more | 10:37 |
| softmetz | ggabriel: being just curious. when you go to jolla.com you don't find anything. In the printed booklet is /guide, somewhere in the sdk docs is harbour, together is mentioned here and there... | 10:38 |
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| ggabriel | softmetz: i think i've given you a fair summary of what's on | 10:38 |
| ggabriel | harbour.jolla.com is for apps, if you are a developer | 10:38 |
| softmetz | ggabriel: yes, thanks a lot. | 10:38 |
| ggabriel | np | 10:39 |
| softmetz | atm i try to get the relationship between all those maemo, meego and sailfish resources and what's the role of nemo, etc. | 10:39 |
| softmetz | as far as I understand basically sailfish adds silica to nemo? | 10:40 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/7545/together-bug-not-all-comments-viewable-when-not-visiting-through-anchors/ :) | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: :) | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | ok, the question is duplicated | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | somebody fix that please :) | 10:42 |
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| Venemo___ | Hey | 11:31 |
| Venemo___ | Srsly, hasn't it bothered anyone that it's impossible to reply to mailing list emails on the jolla? | 11:32 |
| Venemo___ | It is incredibly annoying | 11:32 |
| w00t | Venemo___: there's a few suggestions on together iirc | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: really? if so, is it in tjc? | 11:32 |
| Venemo___ | Yes | 11:32 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: hi | 11:33 |
| Venemo___ | I've been complaining about it on together | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | what do you know | 11:33 |
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| ggabriel | voted | 11:34 |
| w00t | morn btw Venemo___ :) | 11:34 |
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| Venemo___ | Hey w00t :) | 11:36 |
| Venemo___ | https://together.jolla.com/question/1087/bug-email-app-cant-reply-to-mailing-list-messages-properly/ | 11:37 |
| Venemo___ | It gets extremely annoying when you get a message on a mailing list from a contact | 11:38 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: do you know today at together if there is any indication if the question has been answered by an jolla emplyee or community? imo I would really like to se a distinction beside the questions if its an jolla answered quetion or not | 11:38 |
| Venemo___ | Because then you can't edit the to field | 11:38 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: ? :) | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: not really, unless you know who is who | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | but a proper answer from a non employee should do too | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | so not sure what you would gain | 11:39 |
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| Venemo___ | w00t, I'm quite surprised noone at jolla noticed these, it means nobody over there ever tried to use a mailing list from a Jolla | 11:39 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: mostly feature requests, its often community posting an answer which I dont think they should be entitled to | 11:40 |
| Kiranos | unless its a duplicate | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: you have a couple of scenarios, so bear with me | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | some people will use the answer field incorrectly to discuss a feature request | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | and some others (employees or not) may use it to explain that the feature request is incorrect, or has been requested already, etc. | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | even jolla employees can't respond properly to a feature request except as a placeholder to remove the question from "unanswered" | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | _but_ the important thing about feature requests is the vote at the question level | 11:41 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: ok great | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | as that gets visibility, and the request gets looked at, fair or ont | 11:41 |
| w00t | Venemo___: there are people using mailing lists with it I think, I can't speak personally as I practically never reply from anything that doesn't have a physical keyboard in full size 100+ key layout :P | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: i'm not a jolla employee, so that's my opinion anyway | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | w00t: 100+ keys? WOW that's a big mouse ;-) | 11:42 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: sounds sane :) | 11:42 |
| Venemo___ | w00t, understable, but it's still extremely irritating. Not even the reply all option includes the mailing list address | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: i guess reply all for the time being | 11:43 |
| Venemo___ | Please guys, vote up that bugreport | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | reply all+editing if you can be asked | 11:44 |
| Venemo___ | ggabriel, no, because when the message comes from a contact, it's impossible to edit the to field | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | ah, ok, so you gotta leave it | 11:44 |
| Venemo___ | So it doesn't work either way | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | which doesn't hurt that much | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | you have the list in cc though, right? | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | so reply all gets the email back to the list | 11:45 |
| Venemo___ | NO!!! | 11:45 |
| Venemo___ | Please read the two bugreports | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | 2? | 11:45 |
| Venemo___ | Yes, the one I linked has a link to a second one | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | so, if you cc the mailing list is not cool? | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | (i'm not going to try...) | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | "There is no reply all item in the menu" | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | that's not true... i do have a reply all | 11:48 |
| Venemo___ | You CAN NOT EDIT THE DAMN RECIPIENTS even | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | i'm not arguing that | 11:48 |
| Venemo___ | There is no CC, no BCC and you can't edit the to field | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | i'm arguing that for the time being, "reply all" sends your response to the list as the list is in cc | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | there is cc | 11:48 |
| Venemo___ | Ok | 11:48 |
| Venemo___ | Have you tried? | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | look at AL13N_lizzy's latest email | 11:48 |
| Venemo___ | Srsly | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | no, i won't try | 11:49 |
| Venemo___ | Ok, then trust me | 11:49 |
| Venemo___ | I wasted half an hour on trying to get it to work | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | ok, so you say that reply all is there, but it doens't work | 11:49 |
| Venemo___ | No | 11:49 |
| Venemo___ | There is no reply all button | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | there is | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | right | 11:49 |
| Venemo___ | Nope | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | go to alien's latest email | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | man, i cna see it | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | pulley menu, one before last option | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | reply-all | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | sorry, second option | 11:50 |
| Venemo___ | There is only reply all if the original message had multiple recipients | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | ok, i get your point now | 11:50 |
| Venemo___ | So it's not there on mailing list messages | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | reply all doesn't work _only_ if the sender sends to the list | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | can i edit your post adding this info? | 11:51 |
| Venemo___ | Now, first, NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER argue about something you didn't even try | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: no | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | i did try it | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | the problem is that your case doesn't apply to most emails | 11:52 |
| Venemo___ | And yep, edit the post if you think the edit will make it clear | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | and i won't pollute a mailing list | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | it kind of shows the case where it is annoying | 11:52 |
| Venemo___ | My case applies to every mailing list message I get | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: you are wrong there | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | i get that list too | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | well, the sailfish one | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | most emails you cna reply all | 11:52 |
| Venemo___ | I'm on a few google groups lists and mer-general | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | but i won't argue that it's annoying | 11:53 |
| Venemo___ | Neither of them work on my device at the moment | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | let me try the gentoo one | 11:53 |
| Venemo___ | I'm not on the whatever list you're talking about | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | ah, no, can't | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | anyway, i'll edit and explain further if you don't mind | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | else you'll have people like me who don't get it straight away | 11:54 |
| Venemo___ | See Carsten's last message on mer-general, theres no reply all | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | i'm not in mer-general i'm afraid | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | but i can see that in latest markus's email in sailfish | 11:55 |
| Venemo___ | Great | 11:55 |
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| Venemo___ | Now for most mailing lists I'm on, people only send the mails to the list email | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | yeah, that's a setting in the agent iirc | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | you can reply-all and the agent fixes the headers for you | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | sailfish's clearly doesn't | 11:56 |
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| Venemo___ | And most of them are in my contact list, so when I hit reply I trigger the other bug and can't add the list email manually | 11:56 |
| Venemo___ | So dear sailors, please do something with this sorry excuse of an email client | 11:57 |
| Venemo___ | As far as >50% of my emailing needs go, the email app is as capable of emailing as a pile of horsecrap | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: https://together.jolla.com/question/1093/bug-when-replying-to-a-message-from-a-contact-cant-edit-to-field/ | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | that's not 100% correct either | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't allow you to edit _if_ the contact is in your People application, right? | 12:00 |
| Venemo___ | Precisely | 12:00 |
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| ggabriel | let me edit that as well then ;-) | 12:01 |
| Venemo___ | Okay | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | now, i should upvote the reply-to header one too | 12:01 |
| Venemo___ | Yes you should | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | not duplicated, but too much intersection for my taste tbh | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | then again, the email client has a fair amount of gaps | 12:02 |
| Venemo___ | That's a very polite way of saying it | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | i try | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | funnily enough | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | the n9 was useless to read mailing lists that you forward to an imap folder | 12:03 |
| Venemo___ | At first, me too | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | as it corrupted the db every time | 12:03 |
| Venemo___ | But none of these bugs were fixed in the upgrade | 12:03 |
| Venemo___ | And they clearly illustrate that nobody tested the email app | 12:04 |
| Venemo___ | Ever | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | i won't argue that | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | i'm just happy that you can report+vote and wait for a fix | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | that is exactly why my jolla isn't my main phone yet | 12:05 |
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| Venemo___ | ggabriel, it's my main phone. Don't have anything better to use | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: yeap, i totally understand your frustration | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | (hence supporting you with my votes, which are limited) | 12:06 |
| Venemo___ | I have a dying N9 and a firefox os dev phone.... Lol | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | why is your n9 dying? mine has been by far the strongest phone i've ever owned | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | (and i dropeed it, went snowboarding with it, got it fairly wet in the process and so on) | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | s/dropeed/dropped/ | 12:08 |
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| Venemo___ | ggabriel, its battery is dying | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | ah, yeah, i changed that | 12:10 |
| Venemo___ | ggabriel, it also charges extremely slowly and the USB port on it feels bad too | 12:11 |
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| Venemo___ | ggabriel, and turning on mobile data on that poor n9 is like a short circuit on the battery | 12:11 |
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| ggabriel | fair enough | 12:12 |
| Venemo___ | it served me well, that's for sure | 12:13 |
| Venemo___ | But now it's time for the Jolla to rock!! | 12:13 |
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| ggabriel | i think today is time for new year :) | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | tomorrow maybe | 12:16 |
| Venemo___ | ;) | 12:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: what did i do? | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: nothing, just using an email that you wrote as reference to undertsand Venemo___'s problem | 12:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 12:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah reply all | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 12:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so if you want to reply all (ie: list and sender), it's impossible | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | hopefully the sum of all votes for all bugs in the mail application surpases things like mms | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yeah, you need to edit and stuff, but there's another bug there | 12:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | well, mms is already on roadmap :-S | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | that's cool | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | let it be there, but after mail and caldav ;-) | 12:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hahaha | 12:20 |
| Venemo___ | Who the f*** cares about MMS? | 12:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | not me | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: over 100 people | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | but i won't downvote as i'm not strongly against it | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if it wasn't on roadmap, i'd have tagged it "nice-to-have" | 12:21 |
| Venemo___ | lol | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm not against it either | 12:21 |
| entil | mms would be nice | 12:21 |
| Venemo___ | I'm not against it, but we have more pressing needs | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thing is, there's a lot of people who THINK they want something, but actually WANT something else | 12:21 |
| entil | libcommhistory had something that looked kinda like mms support | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | the only one i downvoted was the make the browser chromium | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | they just haven't realized | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: i downvoted that one too | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | i got mad | 12:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and 2 others or so | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | "delete sailfish and install android please" | 12:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo___: exactly | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | kind of thing | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: that's why it's important to vote | 12:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i mostly vote the important ones, and downvotes the ones i'm really against | 12:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm not voting up or down nice-to-have | 12:22 |
| entil | should some android mms app work ok on jolla? should, yes? | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | entil: i think you need some modem related implementation | 12:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: imho that's even lower priority | 12:23 |
| entil | or is there something about phone book integration or something that might fail? | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | it isn't just "app" stuff | 12:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | all android stuff is lower priority for me | 12:23 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | mer/nemo stuff has higher priority, but then regular people can do this | 12:24 |
| entil | I need to take a break from coding over new year's but to me it seemed like mms shouldn't be an impossible feat to pull off, that the hardest part would be the protocol implementation | 12:24 |
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| ggabriel | there is a guy at TMO who said "to fix it, uninstall android, and never install it agian" | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | and i lol'd | 12:24 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | thing like daemons are better suited in mer/nemo | 12:24 |
| entil | the only android app I use is firefox, it's effing amazing | 12:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: well, since its on roadmap, it'll get done | 12:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: probably until the native browser (ff based) gets close to FF itself | 12:25 |
| entil | and maybe skype, after vacations, I dunno, but once I got google play store installed I realized I don't want any of that crap :D | 12:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hahahaha | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | skype? audio/voice for xmpp is far better | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | we need to get out of closed protocols... | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | m$ is soon closing down the api for mobile anyway | 12:25 |
| entil | AL13N_lizzy: sucks to say but imo the browser doesn't have to be *that* good because the android firefox comes from yandex and works well, so someone else can worry about the browser, like, at mozilla ;P | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | the age of trillian reverse egineering protocols should be over by now | 12:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the thing is, you start to realize that alot that stuff is ads | 12:26 |
| entil | ggabriel: I'm an idealist too but then there's the company and its biz guys and the whole real world | 12:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: i agree | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | entil: yeap, i still push when i can | 12:26 |
| entil | sure | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i'll get a jabberd or something at home for gf and family | 12:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | problem is that xmpp vv is not good enough yet | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | bye skype | 12:26 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: i've done some tryout stuff on VV on voip | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i used it months ago with gtalk (n9 and pidgin) and it was awesome | 12:27 |
| entil | if I had my way we'd have an internal irc server and bots and stuff, the stuff that's worked for people for decades without a flaw, except for retards hailing from the macos school of computer usage ;P | 12:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: gtalk is abandonware | 12:27 |
| entil | that was harsh, sorry .D | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | entil: i have one of those ;-) | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yeah, but it was pure xmpp | 12:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | it's just a server, you put it elsewhere and you're done | 12:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | problem is that if noone has it, you're kind of fucked | 12:28 |
| entil | unfortunately our company is not an IT company, so there's some baggage | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but i agree | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: that's the issue | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: indeed | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if google had persisted for another year we'd have a different thing | 12:28 |
| entil | sometimes I wish it was more of an IT company but if wishes were horses I'd learn butchery and live off of metwurst | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: lol | 12:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: i'm at a linux IT company | 12:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway gtg, chores and RL awaits :-S | 12:29 |
| entil | good for you :) I thought you were with jolla | 12:29 |
| entil | hf! | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | entil: i work in an IT company, and you'd be surprised ;-) | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | happy new year AL13N_lizzy | 12:29 |
| * ggabriel off for lunch | 12:30 | |
| entil | new year's is a time for contemplation and I think I miss pure IT | 12:30 |
| Venemo___ | :) | 12:30 |
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| * messerting loves to have 'screen' and 'rsync' working out-of-the-box. Yay! | 12:32 | |
| Pnuu | Venemo___: I for one want mms-messages | 12:33 |
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| entil | +1 | 12:34 |
| entil | is there a poll I should go vote on? | 12:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | back for a bit | 12:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i tend to try and get out of chores as much as possible | 12:34 |
| Pnuu | it is a much used, standard stuff in phones, and something even the olden folks know how to handle | 12:34 |
| entil | not a huge fan of voting in general but I guess the effort of clicking an online button in a small community is ok ;) | 12:34 |
| messerting | Venemo___, Pnuu: I too would like to have MMS. It is a matter of what my friends, family and collegues are using. | 12:34 |
| Venemo___ | Sure, but a working email app, fot me, is more important than mms | 12:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: lol @ " i work in an IT company, and you'd be surprised " | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that is true | 12:35 |
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| Pnuu | entil: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 12:35 |
| entil | I'm different, I don't see why I'd want email on my phone | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | messerting: it's on roadmap, don't worry about it | 12:35 |
| Venemo___ | Okay | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there's screen and rsync on jolla too!?! | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nice | 12:35 |
| Venemo___ | I use email a lot, and I don't recall when was the last time I ever sent an MMS | 12:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | together with less and vim, that's excellent | 12:36 |
| Pnuu | Venemo___: I wouldn't use the email app anyway, I have ssh and mutt for that ;-D | 12:36 |
| Venemo___ | You'd read email in a terminal? | 12:36 |
| Pnuu | yeah, been doing that for 15 or so years | 12:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: you have a jolla already, right? | 12:37 |
| Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: yeah | 12:37 |
| Venemo___ | Okay... | 12:37 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | :-S | 12:37 |
| entil | I use mutt as well | 12:37 |
| Pnuu | yay :-) | 12:37 |
| entil | at work it's the gmail web interface... that's an amazing power tool | 12:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i use kmail cause i don't find a better one | 12:37 |
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| entil | the macos guys use something probably called iMail and it looks awkward in comparison | 12:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ugh gmail :-( | 12:37 |
| Pnuu | at work I use thunderbird | 12:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thunderbird is just not good enough | 12:38 |
| entil | not a fan of the hegemony of google but as far as powerful tools go, the gmail web ui is fscking amazing | 12:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | kmail isn't either, it definately needs some work | 12:38 |
| Venemo___ | How about evokution? | 12:38 |
| Venemo___ | Sorry | 12:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nuff said | 12:38 |
| Venemo___ | Evolution | 12:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 12:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | freudian slip? | 12:39 |
| entil | it's been a while since I did this imap stuff, but it's probably not possible to send filters to the server from a desktop client? | 12:39 |
| entil | maildrop pwns but if I had my work email on the phone and on the desktop and it wasn't hosted by google with its cool filter features, I'd probably be screwed | 12:40 |
| entil | then again, other providers might have a frontend for maildrop and it's just as good :P | 12:40 |
| w00t | entil: I've seen sieve integration done with clients elsewhere | 12:41 |
| entil | cool | 12:42 |
| ortylp | Pnuu: you can do that with hw keyboard (N900) but not with a touch screen | 12:43 |
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| ortylp | Pnuu: i mean mutt+ssh | 12:43 |
| Pnuu | ortylp: why not?-) | 12:44 |
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| ortylp | Pnuu: OK, on Galaxy Note I could manage too, but it is not the fun | 12:45 |
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| ShadowJK | w00t: re 100-ky kb, shouldn't there be "use only jolla" weeks to find out what things need improvement? :D | 12:52 |
| w00t | ShadowJK: I really hate writing any form of long replies on small screens, so for me, that just won't happen | 12:53 |
| w00t | my fingers are too big and it's too inconvenient | 12:53 |
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| ShadowJK | we need bigger screen in jolla2 then :D | 12:57 |
| w00t | get tablet sized, and then we're talking :p | 12:58 |
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| kehnoo | I have tiny hands and jolla is too big for me :I | 12:59 |
| Pnuu | kehnoo: you managed to revive your jolla? | 13:00 |
| kehnoo | nope :( | 13:01 |
| kehnoo | waiting for care to reply | 13:01 |
| Pnuu | :-/ | 13:01 |
| kehnoo | but it's new years so have something else to do than play with my phone :p | 13:01 |
| Pnuu | so Stskeeps didn't come up with anything? | 13:02 |
| kehnoo | no, said contact care for reflash | 13:02 |
| Pnuu | dang | 13:02 |
| Venemo___ | w00t, I have big hands too. It's only a matter of getting used to it | 13:02 |
| kehnoo | so it just lies in the pile of broken phones, atm lumia 820, 2 N9s and Jolla :) | 13:03 |
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| viq | let's see if I just bricked my jolla by modifying fstab ;) | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | that wasn't partifuclarly smart | 13:32 |
| viq | Trying to make sdcard automount using systemd | 13:32 |
| viq | And there isn't really any safe way to test that.. | 13:32 |
| Quu | haha. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.2.5 or 1.0.1.12/1.0.0.5? | 13:33 |
| viq | 1.0.2.5 | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i hope you have a linux or mac box. | 13:34 |
| viq | So it seems I get to try out their flashing procedure ;) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | well, a factory reset is only way in 1.0.2.5 | 13:34 |
| viq | Stskeeps: I don't have anything but linux boxes ;) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | good | 13:34 |
| tango_ | launching apps from the command line while the phone is locked makes them unresponsive to clicks | 13:37 |
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| tango_ | anyboy had a similar esperience? | 13:37 |
| viq | Oh well, I guess I don't get to keep the photos I made this morning :P | 13:38 |
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| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/931/enable-more-refined-locale-settings-in-gui-and-sailfishos/ | 13:39 |
| entil | ! | 13:39 |
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| tango_ | damnit | 13:46 |
| tango_ | is there a way to convert e reply to comment in together? | 13:46 |
| FireFly | No :( | 13:48 |
| FireFly | (AFAIK) | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | nope, only the other way around, tango_ | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | and only by the author of the comment | 13:48 |
| Pnuu | tango_: https://together.jolla.com/question/2903/possibility-to-change-answers-to-comments-and-vice-versa/ | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | there is already a question for that | 13:49 |
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| tango_ | Pnuu: I can't seem to convert my answer to comment though | 13:51 |
| tango_ | oh wait | 13:51 |
| tango_ | can | 13:51 |
| tango_ | done | 13:51 |
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| entil | what does it mean when something's updated on together? | 13:53 |
| entil | I see eric on nine questions out of ten :D | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | eric seems to be everywhere | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | and everybody can update | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | entil: mostly retagging | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | oh yeah | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | eric is the tagging guy | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | and sometimes typos in the topic | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | waht tpyos? | 13:55 |
| entil | I was thinking he works for jolla now but not according to linkedin | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | he is | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | entil: my linkedin doesn't have my latest info | 13:55 |
| entil | then he just didn't update his linkedin profile ;P | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | updating linkedin is a recipe for 15 calls a day from recruiters | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | they call you on sunday morning too | 13:56 |
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| entil | I think I'm on the fourth year of what I'm doing now and got a very un-it pic everywhere, that probably wards off the worst ones | 13:56 |
| Venemo___ | Can the jolla do mkfs on an SD card? | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: yup | 13:56 |
| Pnuu | I avoid linkedin, facebook, g+, ... | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | that's how i did it | 13:56 |
| entil | but it's really cool to hear eric's working for jolla, he's a great guy and surely a great guy for the team | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | in fact, if it's btrfs, i recommend it from the jolla | 13:57 |
| Pnuu | I failed when signed up for recearchgate, they send 5 emails/day :-P | 13:57 |
| Venemo___ | Which one is better? btrfs or ext4? | 13:58 |
| viq | Venemo___: btrfs is supposed to have some load leveling stuff in it, IIRC | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | Venemo___: ext4 is older, but more stable | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | btrfs has more features, including ssd-friendly ones (and hence sd card friendly ones) | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | problem with btrfs is that it isn't stable/hardened yet | 13:59 |
| viq | aye | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | i think viq here experienced some of that instability the other day | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, mine is btrfs formatted because i can | 13:59 |
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| viq | Mine is too. But yeah, btrfs formatted on my laptop, with kernel 3.12, was not visible on jolla, with kernel 3.4 | 14:00 |
| Venemo___ | Hm | 14:01 |
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| ggabriel | it's worth mentioning that viq can see the 3.4 formatted in 3.12 | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | so, it's still backwards compatible | 14:02 |
| Venemo___ | Mhmm | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | but if you don't want trouble, ext4 is your friend | 14:02 |
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| Venemo___ | ext4 is also supposed to play nice with SSDs, isn't it? | 14:03 |
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| ggabriel | i have no clue, don't think so | 14:03 |
| viq | except if you are planning to experience a lot of writes, especially of "same file" | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | but it shouldn't matter if you have a decent sd | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | +1 viq | 14:03 |
| viq | for that btrfs is supposed to play nicer | 14:03 |
| viq | I recently had to rescue an SD card on which I have a lot of podcasts with a somewhat high turnover | 14:04 |
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| viq | Thus this one has btrfs ;) | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | i bet btrfs will go from "WARNING HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL" to "STABLE" in a point release | 14:04 |
| viq | of what? | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | of the linux kernel of course | 14:05 |
| viq | Uhm, which point? 3.13? | 14:05 |
| viq | 3.14? | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | no, i mean "a" point release | 14:06 |
| viq | ah | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | w/o having to go through experimental, "let's see how it goes", "ok, a bit better now" and all those states | 14:06 |
| * ggabriel doesn't buy highly experimental that lasts years | 14:06 | |
| viq | Well, AFAIK there's no distinction right now I don't think. From what I remember they went to 3. only because they got bored/tired of the high numbers like 2.6.35+ | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 14:07 |
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| viq | So there's a good chance 4 will again be just "uh, we got bored of the old number" :P | 14:07 |
| Venemo___ | Hehe, yeah | 14:07 |
| Venemo___ | They sure do it better than Firefox though | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | versioning is a convention anyway | 14:08 |
| viq | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html and https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab#Automount_with_systemd seem to agree that putting in fstab noauto,x-systemd.automount should work, any idea whether that's indeed the case? | 14:08 |
| viq | Venemo___: oh? | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | systemd is freedesktop? | 14:09 |
| viq | ggabriel: convoluted is what it is ;) | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | i can swear the last time i looked into it (by learning how mac os x's worked) i checked the apache website | 14:10 |
| viq | Well, AFAIK the guy that wrote it works for RedHat | 14:10 |
| * viq refers to his previous comment :P | 14:11 | |
| ggabriel | pff, launchd != systemd | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | clearly i forget about painful stuff | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | viq: what about automounting with udev rules? doesn't that work? | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | and is a bit less risky than the fstab? | 14:12 |
| viq | ggabriel: hm, but isn't that on insertion? And AFAIK with systemd (in fstab, or otherwise) you can do "try to mount it when first something tries referencing it" | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | yeah, true | 14:13 |
| viq | My end goal: have SD card automatically mounted if it's there, but have system still work if it isn't. | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | not sure how well tracker will work with the on demand mount | 14:14 |
| viq | I guess I'll find out ;) | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | i think i'll try out the udev method | 14:15 |
| viq | But with systemd it's supposed to mount it as soon as something tries accessing anything on there | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | unless jolla beats me with an update | 14:15 |
| viq | hehe | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | my use case is: i want the sd card available and indexed as soon as i insert it | 14:15 |
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| ggabriel | the script would need to create a symlink as well | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | which basically kicks tracker off | 14:15 |
| viq | Hm | 14:16 |
| viq | I'm thinking of creating symlinks in advance | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | there's a problem with that | 14:16 |
| Pnuu | someone had 30000 text files on the sd, indexing ate all the space | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | tracker won't reindex it | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | you either force it (somehow) or just recreate the symlink | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: luckily i'm a bit more reasonable :) | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | and just have a few songs | 14:17 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 14:17 |
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| Pnuu | I have no idea why someone would have 10 gigs of text files anyway :-P | 14:17 |
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| Pnuu | there are more reasonable formats for data.. | 14:18 |
| viq | oh? | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | if you are dedicated to poetry, then you can easily accumulate that much | 14:18 |
| viq | What would they be? | 14:18 |
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| ggabriel | people love duplicated questions | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | or tightly related i should say | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | q1: i want to make calls | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | q2: i want a dialer | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | but fair enough | 14:20 |
| ShadowJK | well the search is so useless they dont see previous questions | 14:20 |
| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/7382/create-and-modify-ambience/ | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | yeah, but they insist when they are pointed out to potential duplicates/related ;) | 14:21 |
| entil | I was looking to see if someone had a request/question for an ambience app and that's the closest equivalent | 14:21 |
| Pnuu | viq: formats for data? well, hdf5, netcdf, flat binary, ... | 14:21 |
| Pnuu | depends of the data, naturally which to use | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | entil: that looks like a good place to contribute ideas to. i heard jolla is working in extending the ambience capabilities | 14:22 |
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| ShadowJK | essentially, as soon as a question is answered, it vanishes unless you edit search url, or use a desktop computer | 14:22 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: yeah, it's weird that the "unanswered" is default on mobile version | 14:23 |
| viq | ShadowJK: even when you click "all questions", and not only "unanswered" ? | 14:23 |
| entil | there was one about vibration settings, that'd be sweet, and having the option to have the phone go beep instead of playing sounds | 14:23 |
| Pnuu | viq: the "all" link isn't visible on mobile | 14:23 |
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| ggabriel | entil: yeah, there are 2 for that | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | i remember voting :) | 14:23 |
| entil | love the ambience stuff and really hope for a separate ambience app and all that effort | 14:23 |
| tobiski | yeah, it sucks that you can only view unaswered questions on jolla | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | twitter keeps suggesting i follow elop | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | why WHY? | 14:24 |
| entil | hahaha | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | Also, you cant get desktop version even if you use firefox or opera in desktop mode | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: to ask him why jolla is so much better than wp | 14:24 |
| entil | it's like the rap song, "hang my portrait on the wall and you can frame me for murder" ;P | 14:24 |
| entil | I never used wp | 14:24 |
| viq | graaah, tripped again and again by less not being available :P | 14:25 |
| ShadowJK | Someone give the webmaster a jolla plz :P | 14:25 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: but... that face... i'll have nightmares now. i should sue twitter | 14:27 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: just stop using it! \o/ | 14:28 |
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| atlaz | Ho-ho-ho. Someone has had fun registering their Business to the official finnish business-listing-website run by the goverment: http://www.ytj.fi/yritystiedot.aspx?yavain=2486686&kielikoodi=1&tarkiste=DA735DFD038226CA09DA2531FAFD93B8303B1F73&path=1547;1631;1678 | 14:28 |
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| Pnuu | :-D | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: i don't really, i'm just nosy. now we have more places to collaborate, so maybe twitter should go | 14:29 |
| covox | little bobby tables oy | 14:30 |
| atlaz | covox: indeed :P | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | lol re drop table | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | http://xkcd.com/327/ | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | there's an xkcd for almost everything | 14:31 |
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| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/7716/ambience-app/ I made my own, on eric's encouregement, so everyone go vote for it :D | 14:32 |
| arnbak | Stskeeps: you there ? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | arnbak: sortof | 14:33 |
| viq | right, let's see if I'll have to do factory reset again ;) | 14:34 |
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| viq | ...well, I'll give it some more time to boot, time to go eat :P | 14:35 |
| viq | ggabriel: and I'll be interested to see your udev idea ;) | 14:36 |
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| ggabriel | viq: it isn't entirely mine, it's been discussed here | 14:36 |
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| Pnuu | s/idea/implementation/ | 14:37 |
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| friese | humm guys, what's the recommended way right now for periodically executing a command as root? i can't seem to find cron or sth. like that in the repos... | 14:42 |
| Wnt | how should the new Recovery mode introduced in 1.0.2.5 work if no usb cable is plugged in after the phone is turned on while pressing volume down? | 14:43 |
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| Wnt | I tried it few days ago to see if it would give somekind of recovery menu | 14:44 |
| Wnt | instead it just hang, showing the Jolla logo on the screen | 14:44 |
| Wnt | even holding power button for over 20 seconds didn't do anything | 14:45 |
| Wnt | had to remove the battery from the device to get it boot again | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: did you update with pkcon update? or from the gui? | 14:45 |
| Wnt | ggabriel: updated from the GUI | 14:45 |
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| ggabriel | Wnt: then i have no idea :) | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | not willing to test either | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: hold down volume down, plug in usb. jolla logo will hang on screen | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | you can then telnet in to 10.42.66.66 | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on a more graphical mode but it's not a piece of cake :) | 14:47 |
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| Wnt | Stskeeps: yes, but if I have no USB cable available, the jolla jogo will just stay there | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | correct, though you can safely pull battery | 14:47 |
| Wnt | no way to turn off the device without removing the battery | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | correct | 14:48 |
| covox | Wnt: a glass of water would probably do the trick | 14:48 |
| Wnt | ok, I guess this will be fixed when that is done :) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's not entirely correct.. holding down power button maay. | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's a forced reset combo that i forgot | 14:48 |
| tango_ | smashing the phone against the wall, kicking it up as it's falling, and then nailing it to the wall with your elbow | 14:49 |
| Wnt | for now it's just a way to prank people with Jolla phones... | 14:49 |
| tango_ | C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER | 14:49 |
| covox | FINISH HIM | 14:49 |
| Pnuu | tango_: that was a babality :-P | 14:50 |
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| ggabriel | what on earth am i reading | 14:51 |
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| tango_ | ggabriel: you don't know about any of those? | 14:52 |
| tango_ | YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A COMBO BREAKER IS? | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | yes i do | 14:52 |
| tango_ | oh | 14:52 |
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| tango_ | ok | 14:52 |
| tango_ | what about a babality | 14:52 |
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| tango_ | I was going to ask you how old you were | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | just amazed about the thought process between recover jolla to smash it against the wall with a triple combo ninjutsu | 14:52 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: well, Stskeeps mentioned that there was a reset combo | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | you lost me at babality, but may be a language issue | 14:53 |
| tango_ | and since my combo would probably break the phone, it's a breaker combo | 14:53 |
| tango_ | breaker combo => combo breaker (thought process) | 14:53 |
| tango_ | etc | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | ok, fair enough | 14:53 |
| tango_ | I don't think it'd be a babality though, ask Pnuu about that | 14:53 |
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| * ggabriel learning that systemd is pretty much like launchd but without annoying xml configuration | 15:02 | |
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| Morpog_PC | does anybody know how to get a list of options of gstreamer codecs? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | gst-inspect? | 15:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmmm, no gst-inspect on device :( | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | may be need to install -tools | 15:10 |
| Morpog_PC | I managed to set bitrate of video recording on jolla from 12Mbit to 20Mbit, but I want to change aac bitrate too | 15:10 |
| Morpog_PC | and framerate | 15:11 |
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| ottulo | yay, finally got my custom kb layout workin :) | 15:17 |
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| ottulo | of course I had edited it in Windows and saved as unicode... | 15:17 |
| Venemo | heya | 15:19 |
| ottulo | hi | 15:19 |
| Venemo | nah, I'm now let's hope this SD card is not a fake one, cross your fingers guys | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: good luck ;) | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | btw, sd card prices went to the roof | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | wtf, what's wrong with the world | 15:21 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: after all my flatmate had a microsd-sd adapter so I don't have to do it on the jolla | 15:23 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: btrfs? | 15:24 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: I'm trying ext4, don't want to risk the jolla not seeing it | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: then cool | 15:25 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: FYI, ext4 supports TRIM fine so it should be okay with SSDs :) | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: \o/ | 15:31 |
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| tobiski | huh, I opened clash of clans and during the intro my jolla decided to r2boot itself | 15:32 |
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| tobiski | Stskeeps: can you see what caused the reboot from logs? | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | cat /proc/cmdline is a good start | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK | heh.. TRIM is kinda curious, it's no-op on crappy (S)SDs, does something vaguely useful on mid-end SSD and high-end SD, and is missing or does nothing on very high-end SSD :) | 15:37 |
| * ShadowJK ponders running fstim on jolla | 15:39 | |
| tbr | given that it's probably an eMMC, I'd be surprised if it does TRIM | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | I have uSDs that accept trim command | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | whether it does anything useful is another question. | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | On Nexus 7 (both) emmcs, it actually does something useful. | 15:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | can it be that the noise canceling is active when recording video? | 15:47 |
| Morpog_PC | MSameer, ? | 15:47 |
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| tobiski | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/JhfZMyi0 | 15:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | MSameer, can it be that the noise canceling is active when recording video? | 15:49 |
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| Nitial | v v | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: bootup_reason=abnormal wifibin=0 pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_reboot | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | smells like watchdog | 15:54 |
| tobiski | what does that mean and why it booted when I was opening android game? | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, that's a bit more surprising | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | what game / how many apps did you have open? | 15:59 |
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| tobiski | Clash of Clans and if I remember correctly 4 sailfish apps in addition to that game | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:00 |
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| petantik | are there custom patches to the linux kernel that jolla/sailfishos uses? | 16:04 |
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| Venemo | seems that fk_lx has a LOT of karma on together | 16:06 |
| Venemo | I need more upvotes! | 16:06 |
| Venemo | :D | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | interesting, the jolla wouldn't come up. the screen would turn on, but no lock screen | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | i pushed down, unlocked again and voila | 16:07 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: welcome to android wakelocks world | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i hava no android installed | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | or you mean because the underlying drivers are all android? | 16:08 |
| w00t | ggabriel: there's a change in an upcoming release that may help with that somewhat iirc | 16:08 |
| viq | ggabriel: what did you do to get this result? | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | w00t: thanks, i won't report it then | 16:09 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: this is the exact same issue why wakelocks from android were never merged into the mainline kernel ;) | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | viq: i locked it, then unlocked it with double tap, set it to silence, locked it again by pushing down, went to the toilet, came back, tried to unlock with double tap and it wouldn't come up | 16:09 |
| w00t | https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/commit/5d193472103565c12303822f9ac66c232e93b66f | 16:09 |
| Venemo | read this: http://felipec.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/android-vs-maemo-power-managment-static-vs-dynamic/ and watch the video at the bottom - it was very educational to me | 16:10 |
| viq | ggabriel: ah, ok | 16:10 |
| w00t | there's still an issue with the homescreen getting locked up into the state where IPC fails, that part hasn't been identified yet, but at least it won't be quite so catestrophic when it happens | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | w00t: interesting that you can resolve it without rebooting | 16:10 |
| Venemo | this shit happens to me all the time after a phone call | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | it's like closing a phantom application (which android can't do) | 16:11 |
| Venemo | ie. someone calls me, I pick up, then we talk and they hang. after this, the jolla goes back to sleep, and even if I press the powerkey at the exact same moment, nothing happens, the screen remains locked | 16:11 |
| Venemo | I have to press the powerkey 2-3 times before anything happens | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: next time try to push from the top (as in closing an application) | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | and see if that fixes it quicker | 16:12 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: sure | 16:13 |
| * ggabriel wants the next sailfish update :D c'mon... c'mon.... | 16:13 | |
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| faenil | ahah | 16:14 |
| w00t | ggabriel: soon™ | 16:14 |
| * w00t has wanted to say that for a while | 16:14 | |
| Venemo | w00t, faenil: until then, get busy on that sorry excuse you have for an email app | 16:15 |
| faenil | Venemo, ? | 16:15 |
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| Venemo | faenil: the email app is... well... ok, I'll be polite, the email app provides suboptimal user experience and delivers too many bugs | 16:16 |
| Pnuu | w00t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNIwlRClHsQ | 16:17 |
| viq | Is the udev approach to mounting the sd card described anywhere? | 16:17 |
| Venemo | faenil: have you ever tried to use a mailing list from the email app? | 16:17 |
| faenil | Venemo, being unkind about it doesn't help :p | 16:17 |
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| faenil | and btw, I'm studying for university ;) | 16:17 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: FWIW, ssh+mutt ;-) | 16:18 |
| Venemo | faenil: see https://together.jolla.com/question/1087/bug-email-app-cant-reply-to-mailing-list-messages-properly/ and https://together.jolla.com/question/1093/bug-when-replying-to-a-message-from-a-contact-cant-edit-to-field/ for a start | 16:19 |
| Venemo | faenil: vote plz, if you can't fix it! :P | 16:19 |
| faenil | Venemo, done :P | 16:21 |
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| Venemo | faenil: awesome! | 16:22 |
| Venemo | and yes, I'm a karma bitch | 16:22 |
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| Venemo | but there're still at least a dozen guys with more karma than me | 16:22 |
| tobiski | faenil: Venemo and this one also https://together.jolla.com/question/1388/bug-clicking-on-e-mail-notification-opens-blank-e-mail/ | 16:23 |
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| faenil | tobiski, you already got an answer for that, why linking it here? :) | 16:23 |
| Venemo | tobiski: I already voted on that like two weeks ago | 16:23 |
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| faenil | maybe you didn't see the answer? | 16:24 |
| Venemo | and it has not been fixed! | 16:24 |
| tobiski | faenil: answer says it's was going to be fixed in the next update but it isn't | 16:24 |
| Pnuu | unlucky me, that retagging doesn't yield karma | 16:24 |
| tobiski | so the answer equals to nothing | 16:24 |
| faenil | tobiski, mmm we should check if he meants 2.5 | 16:24 |
| faenil | meant* | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: the article is interesting, although i don't know enough to work out that what happened is related :) | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | what happened to me* | 16:25 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: maybe not, but it's interesting regardless. the video too :) | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | yeah, watching that | 16:25 |
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| Venemo | faenil: btw, have you seen my together post about developer experience? | 16:27 |
| faenil | Venemo, not sure, I'm quite busy with uni haven't read t.j.com in the last week | 16:28 |
| Kiranos | another "answer" https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 16:29 |
| Kiranos | can someone convert to comment? | 16:29 |
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| Venemo | faenil: with the intention of sparking a discussion between Jolla and the community, I wrote some ideas / thoughts here: https://together.jolla.com/question/7029/idea-developer-experience-dev-device-programs-etc/ | 16:29 |
| Kiranos | forums has grown to big, I guess alot use together as they would a forum | 16:29 |
| ShadowJK | The answer box is huge and prominent, "add comment" is small, and pinch to zoom doesn't work :) | 16:29 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK +1 | 16:30 |
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| Venemo | ShadowJK: I attempted to use it on my jolla today, the experience was unspeakable | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | I almost made that mistake myself, and it wasn't immediately obvious how to add comment :) | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo; also the default search excludes answered questions, so some amount of duplicates arrive from that, I would imagine :D | 16:31 |
| faenil | Venemo, BB10's hackatons cost *millions* of dollars | 16:31 |
| Venemo | faenil: read the entire post before you start commenting | 16:31 |
| faenil | Venemo, I've read already... | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | faenil: go and study | 16:32 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: I bet most of the audience haven't used StackOverflow enough to know the difference between answer and comment | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | faenil: then get drunk for new year | 16:32 |
| faenil | ggabriel, ahaha :D yeah leaving in 1h, I'm already off from study | 16:32 |
| Venemo | faenil: developer experience is much more than just hackathons and dev devices. there are lots of other ideas there, like improving documentation, making the SDK usable, etc | 16:32 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo; i havent used it either. | 16:32 |
| faenil | Venemo, I'm commenting about some of the things you mention there | 16:32 |
| faenil | which require a *huge* amount of resources | 16:33 |
| faenil | not saying that the post is bad ;) | 16:33 |
| Venemo | faenil: surely, but there are things which don't require huge resources | 16:33 |
| faenil | it's just that most of those ideas are "too good to be true" at the moment imho | 16:33 |
| Venemo | like: making the SDK less dubious, etc | 16:33 |
| Venemo | also, there could be a coding competition | 16:33 |
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| faenil | yes, again, not saying it's bad ideas, just giving some hints about some of them | 16:34 |
| Venemo | surely, I know the situation | 16:34 |
| faenil | ggabriel, you're quite active here, sure you don't want to contribute to #nemo? :D | 16:34 |
| Venemo | faenil: you have to understand, I'm not saying that I want all of that right now. I just want people to start thinking about these things | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | faenil: not sure how i would? | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | i mean, i don't contribute much | 16:34 |
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| faenil | Venemo, sure, I got your point :) but we're here to discuss, right? :D | 16:35 |
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| faenil | ggabriel, well, if you know Qt and/or QML | 16:35 |
| Venemo | faenil: yes, and we're discussing aren't we | 16:35 |
| faenil | ggabriel, or middleware, whatever | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i don't know much about that i'm afraid, i wish i had more time | 16:35 |
| faenil | ggabriel, ok, np | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | i have a general idea about a lot of things, that's it | 16:35 |
| viq | ggabriel: for the record, trying now https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/pull/8/files which is linked from https://together.jolla.com/question/1112/bug-sd-card-formatted-to-ext4btrfs-is-not-mounted-automatically/ | 16:35 |
| faenil | ggabriel, yeah well I'm still a student, I lack knowledge in many areas :) but I agree that if there's lack of time, there's not much we can do :) | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | viq: yeah, i didn't want to modify a script provided by a package though, but that's the general idea | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | faenil: to give you an idea, after the new year my lurking will go down quite substantially due to a full time job | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | but i'll do as much as i can | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | i like jolla and sailfish and what htey are doing | 16:36 |
| faenil | ggabriel, ow :( yea mine will sink as well due to uni exams, until half march I expect | 16:37 |
| viq | ggabriel: well, I already had to reset jolla to factory settings like 3 times today, so what do I have to lose? ;) | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | viq: you're a trooper | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | nah don' | 16:39 |
| viq | It still isn't my main phone, I'd most likely be less adventurous then... But on the other hand, once carddav/caldav will be available, and photos and music will be on the SD card, then again it will be just 20 minutes lost clicking to start afresh | 16:39 |
| Venemo | nah don't believe what faenil says, he's a rock star | 16:39 |
| ggabriel | viq: i'm only waiting for caldav | 16:39 |
| milamber | it's possible to send SMS from command line with Jolla phone? if yes how to? | 16:39 |
| ggabriel | i can live with the rest of the gaps | 16:39 |
| viq | huh, ambiences are gone | 16:40 |
| faenil | Venemo, oh please :) | 16:40 |
| Venemo | faenil: you are on the video | 16:40 |
| Venemo | faenil: so now, every jolla customer has seen your face :P | 16:40 |
| viq | ggabriel: kinda another annoyance for me is XMPP refusing to talk to a CAcert protected server | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | viq: self signed? | 16:41 |
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| ggabriel | (isn't there a workaround for that?) | 16:41 |
| viq | ggabriel: CAcert, cacert.org | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | i ought to install my own server | 16:41 |
| viq | ggabriel: "ignore any cert errors" is, uhm, a poor workaround | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | viq: poor to put it lightly | 16:41 |
| faenil | Venemo, crap! :D | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | faenil: the nsa is watching you | 16:42 |
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| faenil | ggabriel, yeah nsa has been watching me for a long time now... | 16:42 |
| Venemo | faenil: what's wrong? you're famous :) | 16:42 |
| faenil | Venemo, luck :) | 16:42 |
| viq | huh, anyone knows how to get back ambiences? resetting to factory settings seems to have wiped them | 16:43 |
| Venemo | faenil ;) | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | viq: never happened to me, but search tmo | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | there's a package | 16:43 |
| viq | OK | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | or maybe make sure that tohd.service is on, reinsert your other half | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | and watch it download at least one of them (maybe there's a dependency with the rest) | 16:44 |
| viq | I did, and that got me the white ambience, but none of the other ones are there | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | ah, ok | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | there's a thread about that i recall | 16:44 |
| viq | on tmo or together? | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | tmo | 16:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i use CACert.org too | 16:47 |
| viq | ah, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91988&highlight=ambience | 16:47 |
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| viq | (also, mail client apparently also ignores any cert errors) | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | :( | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | eve will be happy | 16:48 |
| Venemo | hm | 16:48 |
| Venemo | is there any way to get the First One ambience, if I'm a First One, but my LE TOH hasn't arrived yet? | 16:49 |
| w00t | as far as I know, no | 16:49 |
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| marcello_NA | i'm installing sailfish on n9 | 16:50 |
| Venemo | w00t: why not? | 16:50 |
| pp_ | hmn, I suppose the rpm can be downloaded from a private repo with one and shared :-) | 16:50 |
| marcello_NA | i find a problem in repartitioning by moslo | 16:50 |
| pp_ | but would be rude to do in public :P | 16:51 |
| marcello_NA | it report : partitioning failed! you mighi be in trouble | 16:51 |
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| marcello_NA | what it means? | 16:51 |
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| viq | bah, that modified script mounts the sdcard on insertion, but not on boot... | 16:54 |
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| Venemo | viq, ggabriel, could't this be solved by a cron job that would run on reboot? | 16:56 |
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| ggabriel | i think on boot the right place is the fstab | 16:56 |
| marcello_NA | in this way i have not Alt_OS | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | but with the correct flags to avoid hanging boot in case of failure | 16:56 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't mess with my fstab as I can't fix it if it goes wrong | 16:56 |
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| ggabriel | well, that's the issue | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | you can add a service to systemd | 16:57 |
| Venemo | but I can imagine putting a line into crontab or something | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | on boot | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | that's better i think | 16:57 |
| * ggabriel unsure of how to implement crontab with systemd | 16:57 | |
| Venemo | I don't think it's related to systemd | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | crontab is a sysv thing | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | i *think* crontabs are implemented differently in systemd | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | but i may be wrong | 16:57 |
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| ggabriel | i'm quite new to it | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | if it's any similar to launchd, then a crontab would just be a service | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | i dunno | 16:58 |
| Venemo | well, I don't mind how it's implemented as long as it works ;) | 16:58 |
| viq | I think they are independent | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't use a run-once thing in a crontab either tho | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | for that systemd seems to have a better solution | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | but you may find yourself in the same situation as touching the fstab, if your script is wrong :) | 16:59 |
| Venemo | you can tell crontab something like this: @reboot mount /dev/sdcard /run/user/nemo/media/sdcard | 17:01 |
| Venemo | or something like this | 17:01 |
| Venemo | I don't recall the place it should be mounted to | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | i didn't know that crontab had @reboot :) | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | at least it isn't in my man crontab | 17:01 |
| viq | systemctl enable mount-sd-onboot.service - let's see if that helps ;) | 17:02 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: see 'man 5 crontab' | 17:02 |
| viq | ggabriel: depends on the cron | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | yeap, thanks | 17:02 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: it's at the very bottom | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | sounds cool | 17:02 |
| Venemo | nah, soon everything I need will be on the SD card and then I'll see how the jolla handles ~30GB of music in its music player :D | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | you mean you'll see how good is tracker at indexing it :P | 17:04 |
| Venemo | indeed | 17:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | venemo, it handled 10GB without problems | 17:07 |
| viq | I have similiar amount (11) | 17:07 |
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| viq | Now if I could only make it see the SD card on reboot... | 17:07 |
| Venemo | also, a thought on exfat: maybe someone could build rogue RPMs for fuse-exfat and exfat-utils | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | just not all album where found, must be a problem with filenames with id3 | 17:07 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: awesome | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | album cover | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: yeap, i think that's a reported issue | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | same here | 17:08 |
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| ggabriel | the cover that the n9 sees is invisible for the jolla | 17:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, yep | 17:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | I guess you also use embeedded cover art | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | i have no clue :) | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | i really don't care that much | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | no folder.jpg or cover.jpg in album folder | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | i guess a search function would be much better than nice pictures, if you want to prioritise | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | ah, no, i don't think it's embedded, just the jpg | 17:11 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: video gets quite interesting towards the end :P | 17:15 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yeah, two guys are even asked to leave the room :D | 17:15 |
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| ggabriel | this guy doesn't understand that you don't quesiton google. google is the only god. google is always right. if you doubt it, google it. | 17:16 |
| Venemo | lol ggabriel :) | 17:16 |
| viq | damn it, I don't want to eject-reinstert SD card every time I reboot.. | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | viq: wouldn't you agree that in real life you won't reboot that often? | 17:17 |
| viq | ggabriel: I wouldn't agree. I don't want to need to remember to do that after upgrade, after I let the battery run dry, after I rebooted because something was misbehaving. | 17:18 |
| Venemo | viq: can you try the crontab approach? | 17:18 |
| FireFly | I really wish it'd support cover.jpg, it's so much easier to manage | 17:18 |
| Venemo | the correct command is 'mount /dev/sdcard /run/user/100000/media/sdcard' | 17:19 |
| FireFly | and shouldn't be hard to implement | 17:19 |
| viq | Venemo: except jolla doesn't seem to have cron | 17:19 |
| Venemo | viq: ^ | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | viq: is it in mer-tools? | 17:19 |
| Venemo | OMG | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | as in: did you do ssu ar mer-tools? | 17:19 |
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| viq | ggabriel: I was about to ask about that ;) | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | so: | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon search name crontab | 17:20 |
| disharmonic | Hey | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | (or crond) | 17:20 |
| FireFly | Hm, now to decide whether to go with ext2 or vfat for microSD card.. | 17:20 |
| viq | or just cron, it will catch more variations on the name ;) | 17:20 |
| Venemo | does mer-tools hurt in any way? | 17:20 |
| Venemo | FireFly: ext4 or btrfs | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: it hasn't hurt me yet | 17:20 |
| viq | FireFly: what will you be putting the sd card into? | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: yeah, why ext2? :) | 17:20 |
| FireFly | well okay, ext4 instead then | 17:20 |
| FireFly | viq: ..take a guess :-) | 17:21 |
| FireFly | the phone | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | win8? | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 17:21 |
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| disharmonic | ext2 doesn't do journaling, so it does less writing to disk | 17:21 |
| viq | FireFly: well, I have btrfs on mine, because of load leveling | 17:21 |
| FireFly | Hm | 17:21 |
| viq | FireFly: why would you put it THERE!?!? | 17:21 |
| viq | (you _did_ tell me to guess... ;P) | 17:21 |
| Venemo | for a 64GB card, btrfs or ext4 are the recommended options | 17:22 |
| Venemo | otherwise it doesn't matter I think | 17:22 |
| disharmonic | but you can actually disable journaling on ext4 iirc | 17:22 |
| viq | Venemo: s/recommended/only/ ;P | 17:22 |
| FireFly | Hm, btrfs is interesting | 17:22 |
| Venemo | okay ggabriel, viq: mer-tools doesn't have cron either | 17:22 |
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| FireFly | Maybe I should go with that instead and get some experience with it | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | i see 2 options: | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | 1. wait for jolla to fix | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | 2. use systemd service to mount @ boot | 17:23 |
| viq | FireFly: just make sure to format it in the jolla, your jolla may not see it if you format it on newer system (I had that) | 17:23 |
| FireFly | Oh, thanks for the heads up | 17:23 |
| viq | (that's btrfs) | 17:23 |
| Venemo | they really should backport the latest btrfs bits to that archaic kernel | 17:23 |
| viq | Or put a newer kernel in? ;) | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure the kernel will get upgraded eventually, that's much easier | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | and fs is not trivial... i think there are enough challenges already | 17:24 |
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| FireFly | speaking of old versions, I noticed the device ships with seven-year-old GNU coreutils.. | 17:24 |
| Venemo | FireFly: srsly? | 17:25 |
| disharmonic | so, what's the easiest way to move contacts from an Android device? vCard? | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | disharmonic: if you can export to vcf, this is what i did | 17:25 |
| FireFly | "ls (GNU coreutils) 6.9 Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc." | 17:25 |
| Venemo | lol | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | put all the vcf's together (with cat or something) | 17:25 |
| FireFly | Venemo: presumably it was the last non-GPLv3 version | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | copy that to the jolla | 17:25 |
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| Venemo | FireFly: anything wrong with GPL3 and Jolla? | 17:26 |
| Venemo | but you're right | 17:26 |
| viq | Sometimes bluetooth may also allow you to copy all contacts | 17:26 |
| disharmonic | I think that has something to do with some parties in the mer community not liking GPL3 | 17:26 |
| Venemo | it indeed is pretty old | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | and then run invoke --type=generic vcardconverter your_concatenated_vcf_file.vcf | 17:26 |
| FireFly | well, no, but I can't see any other reason to run such an old version | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | that worked pretty well, vcf's created from an N9 though | 17:26 |
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| viq | Venemo: GPLv3 is a loooot of licence text; also I think you can't really use it for your code if you want to patent anything, or link non-GPLv3 code against it, or.... | 17:27 |
| FireFly | Venemo: maybe it's to make it easier to license Sailfish to other vendors or something | 17:27 |
| FireFly | (well, to put less constraints on those vendors) | 17:27 |
| Venemo | well | 17:28 |
| Venemo | okay | 17:28 |
| disharmonic | ggabriel: android actually exports a concatenated vcf iirc. So this requires developer mode i assume | 17:28 |
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| ggabriel | yes, dev mode and access to terminal | 17:29 |
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| ggabriel | if you don't want that, the recommended solution as yet is to use cloud services | 17:29 |
| ggabriel | i believe that you can get your google contacts | 17:29 |
| Venemo | yes you can | 17:30 |
| viq | Damn it, I can't make it mount from terminal using that script... | 17:32 |
| Venemo | viq: what script? | 17:32 |
| viq | https://raw.github.com/misja/sd-utils/26c1a27534fc3dd7fb9235da4ecba97342c87fbf/scripts/mount-sd.sh as replacement for the stock mount-sd.sh | 17:33 |
| Venemo | ah | 17:33 |
| viq | and removing and inserting the SD card did work... | 17:34 |
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| Venemo | meh | 17:34 |
| viq | another reboot then | 17:34 |
| Venemo | I'll just stay with manually mounting it, then | 17:35 |
| Venemo | meh | 17:35 |
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| disharmonic | ggabriel, Venemo: thx. I'll try cloud sync first. I do want to enable dev mode eventually though | 17:38 |
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| disharmonic | btw, anybody elso got a leaflet that you'll get the Ltd Other Half in a few weeks? | 17:43 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 17:44 |
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| viq | hm, restarting systemd-udev-trigger.service helped, but that's somewhat a hack... | 17:44 |
| Plnt | disharmonic: i got my TOH in the package but my friend received the leaflet instead | 17:44 |
| viq | disharmonic: yes | 17:44 |
| Venemo | disharmonic: yes, I got that too | 17:45 |
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| FireFly | Apparently I have subdirectories in /mnt/sdcard outside of an actual SD card | 17:46 |
| disharmonic | Looks like the run out then. I guess it's better than to have to wait for the device just becouse the the Other Half | 17:46 |
| * FireFly ponders whether to remove them before setting up an actual SD card | 17:47 | |
| Venemo | disharmonic: yeah, agreed | 17:47 |
| Venemo | FireFly: dunno, I wouldn't mess with it | 17:47 |
| tehdely | any sailors able to elucidate whether the physical radio in the jolla supports more than 900/2100 for umts? i know i sound like a broken record but i refuse to give up hope :) | 17:47 |
| Venemo | tehdely: it hasn't been published yet AFAIK | 17:48 |
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| disharmonic | Hmm, i put a txt in the documents folder but can't see it in the documents app. Should i put it somewhere else? | 17:49 |
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| Venemo | disharmonic: there's a thread about that on together | 17:50 |
| viq | FireFly: I think /mnt/sdcard is android stuff; actual card gets mounted on /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 17:51 |
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| FireFly | Aha | 17:52 |
| FireFly | That's a bit confusing.. | 17:53 |
| ggabriel | yeah, android should go away so that it ceases being confusing ;-) | 17:53 |
| FireFly | Well, /mnt/sdcard could've been /mnt/androidsd or something :p | 17:53 |
| disharmonic | Venemo: I found it. :/ Makes no sense to me | 17:54 |
| Venemo | disharmonic: maybe nobody thought of that, simply | 17:54 |
| viq | FireFly: but then you'd have to convince all android apps to go look in the new place, while this is what they expect, I think | 17:54 |
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| disharmonic | Venemo: yeah, that's most likely the case | 17:55 |
| disharmonic | or low priority | 17:55 |
| viq | disharmonic: I believe Documents app doesn't care about location, but about file type - try putting a pdf anywhere | 17:55 |
| Venemo | yes | 17:55 |
| disharmonic | I need some text off this specific file. I guess i'll convert it to odf. That should work right? | 17:57 |
| Venemo | okay, now let's stress test tracker ;) | 17:57 |
| disharmonic | viq: good to know, thx | 17:59 |
| Venemo | nah | 18:01 |
| Venemo | it mounted the card and started to find all my music on it | 18:01 |
| Venemo | okay, this is awesome :) | 18:02 |
| FireFly | viq: aha | 18:06 |
| * viq tries another dirty hack to make the card mount | 18:07 | |
| viq | ah, and this one actually works | 18:08 |
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| Venemo | hm | 18:11 |
| Venemo | why's the Jolla warranty only one-year? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | I thought the EU had some directive that requires two-year warranty for such things | 18:11 |
| viq | https://gist.github.com/viq/8200378 - with this it mounts the card on boot | 18:12 |
| disharmonic | Venemo: afaik it's actually 1-year replacement, 2-years repairs | 18:13 |
| Venemo | disharmonic: oh, WOW | 18:13 |
| disharmonic | So, the Documents app doesn't do copy paste | 18:13 |
| disharmonic | Venemo: i mean the EU regulations | 18:13 |
| tango_ | what was the incantation to restart dalvik? | 18:14 |
| Venemo | disharmonic: ah, ok | 18:15 |
| tango_ | found it | 18:15 |
| tango_ | hm interesting, stopping alientdalvik takes forever | 18:15 |
| disharmonic | Is there any way to copy a text outside of the browser? | 18:16 |
| tango_ | [48487.385190] QSEECOM: qseecom_receive_req: Interrupted: exiting wait_rcv_req loop | 18:17 |
| tango_ | [48487.393095] QSEECOM: qseecom_ioctl: failed qseecom_receive_req: -512 | 18:17 |
| tango_ | wtf? | 18:17 |
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| viq | ...great, now camera doesn't work | 18:21 |
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| viq | wtf? | 18:25 |
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| disharmonic | The time outs on inserting passwords is really getting on my nerves | 18:27 |
| disharmonic | -s | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | viq: hmm? | 18:28 |
| Venemo | drawback of having 30GB of music on the device: can't decide what to listen to | 18:29 |
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| viq | Stskeeps: camera app shows just interface, no camera image, displays "not responding" prompt, can't kill it even with kill -9 | 18:29 |
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| viq | Venemo: you ever decide? I just usse "shuffle" and "next" ;) | 18:29 |
| Venemo | viq: yes, I decide at least the general style I want :P | 18:30 |
| viq | Venemo: "next" ;) | 18:30 |
| Venemo | viq: lol | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | viq: sounds like journalctl -n 5000 > log and mail to carsten.munk@jolla.com time | 18:31 |
| disharmonic | Is there any way to get the account creation menus to not time out? | 18:31 |
| Venemo | viq: ok, I get the feeling | 18:32 |
| viq | Stskeeps: https://gist.github.com/viq/8200378 could this have caused something like that? | 18:32 |
| viq | Stskeeps: also, as root or user? | 18:33 |
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| Stskeeps | root | 18:36 |
| viq | done, composing mail | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | viq: you really really really don't want to retrigger ude | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | v | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | it'll blow up spectacularly in that old adaptation method | 18:37 |
| viq | Stskeeps: that's the only way I found so far to make it notice on boot that it actually does have an SD card plugged in | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | you'll want to wait for the device to appear | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | it can be depended on in the service | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | or wait for udev having finished triggering | 18:39 |
| viq | Ah, so make the mount-sd-onboot depend on that udev-settle target, let me see | 18:39 |
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| viq | Although still, running 'ACTION=add /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh' didn't really mount the card for me... But I'll try again | 18:39 |
| viq | So is the camera thing a PEBKAC, or should I continue with the report? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's due to the triggeirng | 18:40 |
| viq | OK | 18:40 |
| viq | OK, so without that retriggering camera works. But SD card doesn't mount. | 18:43 |
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| Venemo | hm | 18:46 |
| Venemo | notification tones don't come through the headset | 18:46 |
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| viq | hm, how does one get information what filesystem is installed on a partition? | 18:50 |
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| kelvan | viq: I have a similar problem with the camera: http://pastebin.com/4se71Jp9 | 18:58 |
| kelvan | how can I fix this? | 18:58 |
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| viq | kelvan: did you do any modifications to your system? | 19:00 |
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| kelvan | a few, activated devmode and edited fstab to mount my btrfs subvol from the sd card | 19:06 |
| kelvan | and installed pyotherside stuff | 19:07 |
| viq | hm, then not sure. mine was due to me retriggering udev, I removed that modification and now it works | 19:08 |
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| kelvan | viq: didn't touch udev (hope so), so it's propably something different :/ thanks | 19:11 |
| viq | kelvan: well, I was kicking it from systemd units, but now I managed to make it work otherwise | 19:12 |
| viq | https://gist.github.com/viq/8201021 - with this mounting on boot and on insert works | 19:15 |
| Venemo | viq: what did you change in it, compared to the original? | 19:16 |
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| viq | Venemo: well, I based it off of https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/pull/8 | 19:16 |
| viq | so https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/pull/8/files but I additionally had to figure out how to set the ID_FS_TYPE | 19:17 |
| Venemo | allright | 19:17 |
| petantik | when using the gallery, is it possible to check what email account a photo will be sent from? | 19:17 |
| Venemo | viq: I don't want to mess with the device now as I'm heading out soon, but I'll try your stuff tomorrow! | 19:18 |
| Venemo | petantik: I don't think so, but I'm not sure | 19:18 |
| viq | Venemo: in a year you mean? ;) | 19:18 |
| |disharmonic| | Is there a way to force a new contacts sync? | 19:18 |
| Venemo | viq: yes, I'm so busy that I can only try it next year | 19:18 |
| viq | ;) | 19:19 |
| viq | OK, time to head out, cya | 19:19 |
| Venemo | have an awesome night viq :) | 19:20 |
| viq | Thanks, you too :) | 19:20 |
| |disharmonic| | have fun | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | hm | 19:25 |
| Venemo | either tracker was unsuccessful finding all my music or the album view can't handle more than 15 songs in the same album | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | jhm... SIM card has been removed :( | 20:42 |
| Kiranos | on jolla how much hazzle is it to change between 2g 3g, would be really nice to have a quick switch not like android | 20:44 |
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| Pnuu | no idea, haven't noticed | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: you could probably set technology preference over dbus | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/intgr/ofono/blob/master/test/set-tech-preference | 20:51 |
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| Kiranos | yea the issue is inside myh appartment i have to use 2g because of coverage, but once outside i want it to use 3g | 21:05 |
| Kiranos | so an easy switch or even notice wlan | 21:05 |
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| ShadowJK | it doesnt automatically switch? | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well it'll prefer 3g by default | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | but should degrade to 2g | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | though typically every device hangs on to very weak 3g instead of strong 2g | 21:15 |
| Kiranos | often with android its one to zero bars so it stays on 3g but the call jerks | 21:17 |
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| ShadowJK | well, everyone has different signal to bars mapping.. and I believe operator controls thresholds | 21:19 |
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| Kiranos | ok dont know how the internals work only that I have to manually switch between 2g/3g and its a few clicks away each time | 21:20 |
| Kiranos | on android | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:20 |
| Jare | weird | 21:21 |
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| atlaz | First message of 2014! I win! | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:20 |
| Pnuu | john woo | 22:21 |
| tehdely | it's not 2014 until i say it is | 22:27 |
| Pnuu | so you're the fat lady who sings? | 22:28 |
| tehdely | i prefer to beatbox | 22:28 |
| Pnuu | cloe enuff, I guess | 22:29 |
| Pnuu | close, to be more precise | 22:30 |
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| flux | interesting, phone calls are silent (device is not in silent mode) | 22:45 |
| flux | also they don't vibrate (vibrate is on when not silent) | 22:45 |
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| junnuvi | flux: maybe you have mistakely muted it with volume down button? | 23:00 |
| flux | if I press volume button it is around 50% | 23:00 |
| junnuvi | strange | 23:01 |
| flux | settings says 'default ringtone volume' is about 75% | 23:01 |
| flux | also a new anoter feature my phone has learned | 23:01 |
| junnuvi | how about changing phone to silend mode and then back to normal? | 23:01 |
| flux | now every screen is a lockscreen! it turns screen off in 5 seconds if I don't touch it | 23:02 |
| flux | and then I press power key it returns to that same screen | 23:02 |
| flux | when I entered silent mode it indeed did enter silent mode, as when I reopened the pulley menu, the phone did not vibrate | 23:03 |
| flux | so I guess I'll just wait for the next call now ;) | 23:03 |
| junnuvi | :) | 23:03 |
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