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ln-is there a compass in jolla?00:15
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Waiteeln-: i think theres a digital compass in the phone but theres no software built to read it00:21
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ln-yes, i didn't expect software to exist yet.00:44
ln-is there a maximum number of items a pulley menu can have? even four items is nearly too much when using the screen in landscape mode.00:48
ortylpI wish us all happy and productive new year :)00:49
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SpeedEvilMay 2014 be the year of the linux phone!01:01
SpeedEvil:)01:01
SpeedEvilErr - gnu/linux01:01
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MSameerMorpog_Mobile: you pinged me?01:50
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ottulouhh, that was bad02:19
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ottulofirst I couldn't re-enable wlan and device lock settings would keep resetting to "not in use"02:19
ottulostore said there's a critical error with the app registry, claimed I have no apps installed and crashed when trying to install something new02:20
ottulobrowser wouldn't load any pages02:20
ottulofingerterm had lost the keyboard, which reappeared after fiddling with its settings, but when typing the text would appear almost outside the screen, only a row or two of pixels visible of the bottom02:21
ottulopkcon refresh didn't run etc02:21
ottuloreboot seems to have fixed everything for now...02:21
ottulobut the app icons are in a random order again >_<02:21
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Milhouseis there a built in way to take a screenshot on Jolla?03:18
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SpeedEvilIwould assume not - at least not easy UI wise - hence the store apps03:25
SpeedEvilIt would not surprise me if it can be done over ssh03:25
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bef0rdhttps://twitter.com/thp4/status/41272153791807078503:26
SpeedEvil:)03:28
Milhousemany thanks both - installed lbt's app from the Jolla store and all good :)03:29
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pdanekDo you guys realize how amazing is to have Jolla out there?03:45
pdanek:D03:46
pdanekHappy New Year!03:46
tehdelytonight i switch to the jolla and turn off the n9 for good03:46
tehdelywell, at least as my regular phone03:46
tehdelyhappy new year to all sailors and fans :)03:47
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tehdelyhmm, play store disappeared from the launcher, conveniently right around when i last ran yandex store ;)04:13
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micko_I got a notification of a system upgrade. when I tried to upgrade, it just dissapeared. version number the notification was the same I have installed09:36
Stskeepsyeah, we have some kind of upgrade notification hiccup09:36
Stskeeps1.0.2.5 is the one you're on?09:36
micko_yes09:38
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Stskeepsok, don't worry then09:39
Stskeepsit's the latest09:39
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|disharmonic|Morning and Happy New Year09:49
Stskeepsyou too09:53
Stskeepshttp://www.engadget.com/2013/12/31/snapchat-user-info-leak/ - this quote from The West Wing really comes to mind:09:55
StskeepsIt's not just about abortion, it's about the next 20 years. In the '20s and '30s it was the role of government. '50s and '60s it was civil rights. The next two decades are going to be privacy. I'm talking about the Internet. I'm talking about cell phones. I'm talking about health records and who's gay and who's not. And moreover, in a country born on the will to be free, what could be more fundamental than this?09:55
Stskeepsand why it's so important that we focus on user privacy of devices09:56
Stskeeps:P09:56
covoxwhen it comes to not giving a toss about privacy, it's pretty hard to compete with snapchat09:57
covoxafter these latest releases, it might as well be seen as full-blown contempt09:59
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fk_lxhi10:07
fk_lxnice affair with Snapchat10:07
fk_lx:-)10:07
fk_lxgood that I'm not using that :-D10:08
* tango_ never even really looked into what snapchat was actually supposed to be10:08
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Stskeeps"world war 3 was started by parents finding out what their kids are -really- doing"10:08
Stskeeps.. and kids finding out what their parents are doing10:08
Stskeeps:P10:08
* tango_ is suffering the aftereffects of yesterday dinner10:09
tango_this is WAY more serious than snapchat10:09
fk_lxI've read somewhere that Fb becomes less and less popular among teens, because it's a place where their parents are, so they can monitor their child activities10:09
tango_and everybody will revert back to irc, as it was always meant to be10:10
tango_woo us10:10
fk_lxso probably it's a good information for those who want do social media's for teens. Just make sure parents don't have access there :-P10:10
fk_lxand you business will grow10:10
fk_lx:-)10:10
fk_lx*your10:11
tango_next social network instead of requiring people to be > 13 years of age will require them to be < 25 years of age10:11
fk_lxyeah :-)10:11
fk_lxWow, Jolla has become phone of the year 2013!10:11
tango_too early IMO10:12
cdpHmm, I just remembered something odd... the phone has restarted itself (or crashed?) 2-3 times in the first days after I got it. After that I never had reboots again. Has anyone else seen this?10:15
Stskeepscdp: did you upgrade in meantime?10:16
cdpIf I recall correctly I've upgraded right after getting it, and the reboots happened after that.10:17
cdpBut in all honesty, I can't be 100% sure :\.10:17
Stskeepscdp: we do have some rebooting issues10:17
Stskeepswe have saner watchdog in 1.0.2.5 so it may be that things that were previous freezes now are reboots10:18
cdpBut there isn't any need to reboot, for instance some auto-configuration or 'hidden' updates going on in the background, right?10:19
cdpIt was before 1.0.2.5. I got it about one week before Christmas, and there was already one upgrade available back then.10:20
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Stskeepsno hidden updates, it's not very user friendly10:21
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fk_lxyeah, hidden updates would fuel conspiracy theory fans from our community10:23
the_mgthm, why does iphoto see my jolla phone but not finder?10:23
fk_lxand without that they are already very active ;-)10:23
the_mgthello and happy new year, btw10:23
fk_lxthe_mgt: happy new year10:24
Stskeepsthe_mgt: macos X and MTP is a bit of a funny story10:24
the_mgtStskeeps: I didn't get the joke... ;)10:25
Stskeepsthe_mgt: so basically you need MTP support to access it, i think iphoto sees the PTP part of it10:26
Stskeepsthe_mgt: see https://together.jolla.com/question/282/usb-file-transfer-support-for-mac-os-x/10:27
tango_honestly I would love it to be exposed as a usb device with (up to) two drives10:27
tango_at least for linux10:27
Stskeepssure, but do you have any idea how much a wreck the phone gets with mass storage indexing..10:28
the_mgtiphoto at least tries to access it as a camera, seems to find the fotos, but no thumbnails10:28
tango_Stskeeps: what?10:28
tango_mass storage indexing?10:28
Stskeepstango_: yeah - long story short, you can't figure out what has changed of your media when the contents of the fs has been potentially changed10:29
Stskeepsso you need to reindex10:29
Stskeepswhich kills your phone performance10:29
tango_Stskeeps: so how did the n900 handle this?10:29
Stskeepsin addition to that, apps need to understand files can disappear10:29
Stskeepsvery very badly10:29
Stskeeps:P10:29
tango_didn't it turn the fs read-only when in target mode?10:30
the_mgtStskeeps: and mtp keeps track of the changes for the phone?10:30
Stskeepsmtp makes sure that the phone does the fs changes10:30
the_mgtanyway, now that i found out to use nemo as ssh user, sftp works as a workaround10:31
tango_yeah but mtp is a HORRIBLE protocol10:31
tango_hm, nfs?10:31
Stskeepstango_: it is, but it also comes working out of box in most android hw adaptations toady10:31
Stskeepsanother option is 'virtual sd card'10:31
suybut making all the applications potentially unstable because you change the files underneath is even worse10:31
suybb10 uses SMB, which is ok-ish to me, since in this linux distro version MTP is not easily available10:32
micko_any idea what I need to install in my gentoo to see jolla's files over usb?10:32
suyAnd I assume all OSs have support10:32
Stskeepsmicko_: mtpfs or the likes10:32
tango_Stskeeps: what is virtual sd card?10:33
the_mgtmicko_: eix mtp10:34
FireFlyStskeeps: would it be impossible/insanely convoluted to expose a "fake" mass storage device over USB and read/write to the real filesystem accordingly? (or is the device exposed at a lower level than that?)10:34
cdpI seem to recall there's such a project for Linux already10:35
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Stskeepstango_: think a sd card file within the sd10:36
cdphttp://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html10:37
FireFlymicko_: eix mtp10:37
FireFlyuh10:37
FireFlyoops, mispaste10:37
TriztI think someone made some logical thought error when they implemented time adjustment based on timezone to the Jolla, all files downloaded from it has an off-sync unless you have EET10:38
the_mgtah, btw, what about ntp?10:39
FireFlycdp: hm, so that + a partitioned hard-drive would essentially make up an external disk?10:39
FireFlyexposing the drive over USB10:39
Triztthe_mgt: no, it's not about the time to be synced, it's all the logic that converts time that has flaw10:40
cdpFireFly, never really tried it, but as I understand it can expose a device or file over usb. On the other you would see it as usb mass storage.10:42
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the_mgtTrizt: yes, I got that. still, I'd like to have a ntp time source10:44
Triztthe_mgt: sure, the best you can is to get the time from your operator and hope they have it based on ntp10:44
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Triztbut should be simple to just use a arm compiled ntp package10:46
Trizttime to get ready10:47
TriztStskeeps: anyway to disable the Jolla logic for timezone adjustments? Wish to have basic linux behaviour, feels things would function better10:48
tango_Stskeeps: that doesn't really solve the main issue, which (for me) would be to have direct access to the phone fs10:50
tango_if I understand what that does, it's just to expose a file as a disk (image)10:51
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tango_I think some network filesystem is probably the best idea10:51
tango_either smb or nfs10:51
the_mgtbit of an overkill10:52
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FireFlytango_: there's always sshfs10:54
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Pnuusshfs ftw10:58
Kiranosbefore to make phones compatible with mounting on windows they had to use a fat* partition schema, I see now jolla seems to be using btrfs and ext4 has windows become better at reading/understanding linux partitions or how did jolla move away from FAT?11:01
cdpIs there anything I can do to improve how the email client is syncing, even at the expense of battery?11:03
PnuuKiranos: MTP11:04
cdpIt seems to be related to timers: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1400078&postcount=29511:04
KiranosPnuu: thanks can you explain? or a link to MTP explaination?11:04
PnuuKiranos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol11:05
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Kiranosost MTP-compatible devices are not assigned drive letters; instead, they appear as "devices" in applications such as Windows Explorer.11:06
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KiranosHm and is it only media files? Cant I mount the disk as H: and transfer whatever I want?11:07
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suyKiranos: you can transfer any file, or course. Even data. But it doesn't appear as a drive letter11:18
suyThe protocol is supposed to be smart enough to not need unmounting of the FS11:18
Venemomorning11:19
Stskeepsmorn Venemo11:20
TriztPTP is quite slow, take for ever to detect the files, miss some mass storage option11:21
Triztby the way, is there something wrong with the jolla store, 3rd time today I have a notification of an update, when trying to update there is nothing to update11:24
Tofemorning !11:25
TriztKiranos: MTP is today the most commonly used way, sadly it's a pita in Linux as no good client been written, companies just want to write the service for Linux nothing else11:26
StskeepsTrizt: yes, there's some kind of issue where it keeps on saying there's an update -- new years really kicked in for that, so11:26
TriztStskeeps: the 2014 bug? ;)11:26
Venemolol11:29
Venemoin the meantime, here's my newest bugreport on the email app: https://together.jolla.com/question/8084/bug-email-app-scroll-position-is-messed-up-when-switching-between-folders/11:29
StskeepsTrizt: i would say 'staff at minimum due to needed post-holiday thing'11:32
Tofebtw, I thought that the white email preview from the notifications was fixed with the latest update ? Am I wrong ?11:33
Tofebecause I still reproduce it11:33
VenemoTofe: if was advertised as fixed but it happens still11:33
Tofeok11:33
StskeepsTrizt: the email app case is a bit funky, i'm not sure if it was rolled back or not11:34
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Andy80morning guys11:37
TriztStskeeps: will there be a check of subfolders for new mail in the next update?11:37
Stskeepsi don't know, not my area11:37
HarhaanJ1htajaisnt it that you got new email application with the update and the store now has older version?11:37
TriztStskeeps: whom can I troll about that?11:37
VenemoTrizt: see the comments below this question: https://together.jolla.com/question/1080/email-app-cover-shows-number-of-unread-mails-in-currently-selected-folder/11:38
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Andy80Stskeeps you have an idea why, after renaming my app to harbour-sailsoma, the "Deploy by binary copy" doesn't work anymore? I mean... the problem is that it looks like it tries to execute a wrong binary at the end of the deploy process and I get this error: bash: /opt/sdk/SailSoma/usr/bin/harbour-sailsoma: No such file or directory11:42
Stskeepsno, sorry11:42
Andy80ok, thanks anyway :)11:43
VenemoAndy80: because it puts the executable into the wrong place11:43
VenemoAndy80: it's there in a different folder, you can execute it manually11:43
Andy80Venemo what should be the correct folder? /opt/sdk/harbour-sailsoma/usr/bin/harbour-sailsoma ?11:44
Venemodunno, look around in /opt/sdk/...11:44
Andy80Venemo: anyway I would like to avoid executing it manually... how can I instruct QtCreator to execute it from the correct path?11:45
Venemofor me, last time it happened it was the folder of the componentgally app11:45
VenemoAndy80: you can ask qtcreator to execute something else... see project tab, run tab11:45
Andy80Venemo: I confirm, it's inside /opt/sdk/harbour-sailsoma/ :)11:46
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Andy80Venemo oh right... the run path says /opt/sdk/SailSoma/ that is the old one... it looks like I cannot modify it, but maybe I can add a new one and delete the old one...11:47
VenemoAndy80: there's an option called "alternate executable" and a checkbox next to it11:48
Andy80ah ok11:48
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lbtHappy New Year everyone - a toast to some good sailing ahead :)11:56
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Andy80Venemo your suggested method works! It's a shame I cannot modify the existing configuration anyway :/11:58
VenemoAndy80: it's a shame the SDK is a buggy hell11:59
Andy80Venemo: if I could take a decision, I would opt to dedicate resources to SDK first and to the product then :)12:03
lbtVenemo: it would be worth (constructively) highlighting the most annoying bugs in the SDK in together posts; many of them we're aware of but tbh this project rename is not something that's been tested.12:03
Andy80lbt: I wasn't aware that I must name everything with harbour-* before reading the FAQ AFTER the app was ready to be published..12:04
lbt*nod*12:04
Andy80lbt: maybe the SDK wizard could already name the app for us?12:04
Andy80or at least a checkbox when you create the project "Name the app to be Harbour compatible yes/no"12:05
lbtwell - don't forget that the SDK is based on QtCreator. It's not sensible to diverge too much from upstream12:05
lbtand afaik the upstream wizard process part isn't *that* flexible :)12:06
lbtand, to be fair, the naming thing was a bit of a late cock-up12:07
lbtAndy80: personally I'd rather see any 'spare' SDK effort go into better gdb support and resolve these get-going hickups in other ways :)12:08
Andy80lbt: I sadly know how little is flexible the wizard :P (I collaborated with Ubuntu for the same thing on Ubuntu Touch prohect months ago), but the wizard is something that you implement with a plugin. So it's a matter of adding the feature to the Jolla SDK plugin, without affecting the base code12:08
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lbtreally? OK - in that case it may be worth looking at.12:09
lbtAlso please bitch about the SDK source not being available12:09
cvpHappy New Yeah :D12:09
lbtas this kind of thing is where community fixes would be awesome12:09
lbtand it's QtC under GPL - it should be published :)12:09
Andy80lbt: QtC is, not plugins :D12:10
Andy80lbt: if you write a plugin without modifyin the QtC source code, you're not forced to publish the source code afaik12:11
lbt*nod*12:11
lbtand just FYI - the only reason our code is not available is stupid issues with having branded stuff in the repos :(12:11
Andy80lbt: branded stuff like...? an example if you can12:12
lbtthe sailfish logo12:12
lbt... that's it really12:13
Andy80O_o12:13
Andy80who cares about the logo :D ? I mean... if community cannot use it without permission, that's perfectly ok. I think people is interested in everything else, not the logo :)12:13
lbtyep12:14
lbtI tried to maintain a 'working' git repo which used an anonymous logo but it was "too hard" :/12:14
lbtbut anyhow ... the SDK guys have it on their list ... they'll sort it out12:14
suyErrrm, only that logo? For such a simple thing it would be OK to have it out of the source and adding it when building the sdk for distribution, isn't it?12:15
suyYou could even do a simple "hook" with the qt-installer-fw12:15
lbtyou don't have to tell me :)12:15
suy:)12:15
Andy80suy: I think that's part of "they will sort it out" :)12:15
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suyBTW, how big is the delta with upstream qt? I hope is close to 0. But it would be nice to have some stuff like Q_OS_SAILFISH define, etc.12:17
lbtsuy: not huge. The idea is to get the plugin into upstream12:17
Stskeepsi think he meant qt in general12:18
lbtah12:18
Stskeepssuy: we have several skilled qtdeclarative developers so in a productization there's always a delta12:18
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Stskeepsbut we really really try to upstream when/if we can12:18
lbtsuy: and Qt is in mer-core12:18
Andy80"Qt: write once, #ifdef everywhere", I remember THP writing this years ago :D12:18
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suyI thought it would be impossible to see more #ifdefs that in Qt's sources... Than I saw Vim's. :-D12:20
suylbt: which plugin you meant? QPA?12:21
lbtthe 'Mer' plugin12:21
lbtie the VM handling12:21
suyAh, in Creator, ok.12:21
lbtyeah - I missed the context switch :)12:21
Andy80going away for lunch, see you later guys :)12:22
lbto/12:22
Andy80buon appetito!12:22
suyAndy80: o/12:22
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Venemolbt: speaking of the SDK, it's full of these little issues, like sometimes it can't start the VMs, sometimes it runs rpmbuild even though I asked it not to build an RPM, etc12:23
suyI have to admit that I could find good use of digging in Qt Creator's sources to make a small plugin. Even such a simple thing of compiling in a chroot, or simply starting QVFB (I do embedded at work :P) is impossible without a silly one line shell script.12:24
lbtVenemo: it *always* runs rpmbuild :)12:24
lbtVenemo: there's a good design reason behind that :)12:24
lbt(IMNSHO)12:25
Venemoreally?12:25
lbtyeah - the build always runs in the same context12:25
Venemobut it's lots slower this way12:26
lbtyou profiled it?12:26
lbtwhat *is* slower is running in a VM ... but the question is 'how much' and then 'is it worth it' ?12:27
lbtdo you know how many people MeeGo had on their VM ... and what platforms could they support?12:27
lbtwe can support win/mac/all linux (32+64) ... so the cost/benefit is pretty good12:28
lbtso I'm not saying it's the fastest SDK on the planet :)12:28
lbtbut it should be plenty fast enough12:28
Venemookay lbt12:29
lbtand there are other, lower level, SDK tools around for higher performance :)12:29
lbt:) just explaining what has been seen as a bit of an issue12:29
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Venemolbt: okay :)12:34
Venemobrb12:34
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Andy80lbt: do you have any idea why I can deploy to the device using thr binary copy but I cannot deploy with rpm build? If I choose rpm build, the rpms are generated, but before deploying that I get a timeout connection from Mer VM and the VM is then stopped :/12:49
lbtcheck (and maybe pastie) the compile output12:50
Andy80lbt: ok, give me one moment...12:51
Andy80lbt: here http://pastebin.com/hpd0Mpp012:54
Andy80lbt: note, the rpms have been generated correctly (if I wanted to install it on the device I would have to manually copy the rpm and install it, it works)12:55
Andy80lbt: and now the Mer SDK VM icon is green (waiting for me to press Play), while before starting the deploy it was red (running)12:56
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Andy80lbt: any idea :) ?13:16
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cvphave someone problems with the sound in video playback? sometime stop the audio but video plays13:25
Andy80cvp: I've a similar problem with audio streaming13:28
Andy80cvp: if a system sound is played the streaming is interrupted13:28
cvpis it fixable ?13:30
cvpsorry mean, can it fixed ?13:31
Andy80cvp: I wasn't able to fix it.. I mean... it's something I've never worried about in other platforms... I assume it's a bug of Sailfish :P13:33
Stskeepswell, some streams will take priority13:33
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Andy80Stskeeps: I was expecting both sounds to be played at the same time (for example if I'm listening to Spotify on my PC and a mail notification comes, the music is not interrupted), anyway in a couple of occasions the behaviour was even worse, not only the sound was interrupted but even the stream. In my case I had to click on another radio channel (aka: start a new streaming) to resume music playing13:36
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ggabrielhappy new year to y'all13:40
ortylp:)13:41
cvptanks, you too13:41
SpeedEvilAndy80: the problem is then that it can be hard to tell if the music is such that the user is likely to hear it.13:42
SpeedEvilIf it's 'notification noises jam' - then perhaps not.13:42
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SpeedEvilCutting the music - or perhaps fading the level down - is not an insane answer.13:43
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ggabrieli personally like the fact that the music stops when an sms/email comes in13:44
Andy80SpeedEvil: cutting the volume of the music can be ok... but in my case the audio streaming was interrupted.... I mean the network streaming. I had to resume it starting a new radio.13:44
ggabrieli guess you can silence the phone to avoid that13:44
Andy80it happened only a couple of time anyway13:44
ggabrielofc what you report, Andy80, looks more like a bug (interruption of stream)13:44
SpeedEviloh - missed that - I'm not entirely awake.13:45
Andy80me neither :D13:45
Andy80this means I need another coffee :P13:45
ggabrielSpeedEvil: maybe you're not awake, this can be a dream13:45
SpeedEvilNightmare.13:45
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ggabrielthe battery life of the jolla may be kind of insanely long13:47
Andy80ggabriel: after upgrading to 1.0.2.5, even with tohd deactivated, is not anymore for me :/ 1.0.1 was far better13:47
Andy80and I don't have any SIM inside13:48
ShadowJKit13:48
Andy80just wifi13:48
ggabrieli ought to test it with a sim card, mind you13:48
Morpog_PCStskeeps, stezz updated the release notes of 1.0.2.5 two hours ago, but what did he change?13:48
StskeepsMorpog_PC: i .. don't actually know13:48
Stskeepsit may have been e-mail related13:48
ggabrielAndy80: you use android?13:48
Andy80ggabriel: yes13:48
ShadowJKon 3g it burns like an american car, as expected13:48
ggabrieli haven't installed that yet13:48
Morpog_PCthere should be a github like diff view for edits with highlighting13:49
ggabrielShadowJK: yeap, i fear that13:49
ggabrielbut otherwise it could be _the_ usp of the phone for the common folk13:49
Morpog_PCoh there acutally is a diff view :D13:49
Morpog_PChe added: Also sometimes Android apps don't play any sound anymore. Here as well restarting Aliendalvik service fixes the issue.13:50
Andy80a bug that I've just noticed, the Calendar app is not able to get all the events of a day. For example on FB I've 3 birthdays and the Calendar only display 113:50
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lbtAndy80: got that pastie14:05
lbtthat is really odd14:05
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Andy80lbt: note, I'm on OSX, it could be some platform related bug14:05
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lbtcan you ssh into the VM and redo it - see if the ssh session is closed14:06
Andy80lbt: sure, let me try14:06
lbtalso, possibly run journalctl -f as root14:07
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Andy80lbt: uhm... what is the IP of the Mer VM?14:08
lbt127.0.0.114:08
lbtport 222214:08
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* covox watches a presentation entitled "X Security: It's worse than it looks"14:11
Andy80lbt: uhm Andreas-MacBook-Air:sailsoma andrea [master] $ ssh root@127.0.0.1:222214:11
Andy80ssh: Could not resolve hostname 127.0.0.1:2222: nodename nor servname provided, or not known14:11
Andy80but I can enter into Mer VM from vbox14:12
lbtssh -p 2222 root@127.0.0.0114:12
Andy80with cmd+F214:12
Andy80Andreas-MacBook-Air:sailsoma andrea [master] $ ssh -p 2222 nemo@127.0.0.114:12
Andy80Permission denied (publickey).14:12
Andy80uff...14:12
Andy80let me try with its ip14:13
Andy80nope...14:14
Andy80I can't ssh into it14:14
lbtI assumed you'd setup the key part : https://sailfishos.org//develop-faq.html14:15
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lbteasy way is to add an entry to ~/.ssh/config14:15
Andy80let me read the faq..14:16
Andy80lbt: first a question... I don't have this screen https://sailfishos.org//images/sdk_control_center.png at all14:17
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lbtAndy80: do you have the icon ?14:17
Andy80lbt: I've the Sailfish icon but if I enter inside it's just like the css, images etc... are missing14:18
Andy80I get a pure html black/white graphic14:18
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lbtAndy80: the server is running on 8080 on localhost -make sure it's not conflictin14:19
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Andy80wait.... now the vm crashed....14:20
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Andy80lbt: uff... VM restarted but now QtC just shows a blank page in SailfishOS tab :(14:23
Andy80and now the VM is off again... wth14:23
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Andy80it's not possible to work like this14:23
lbtAndy80: did the ssh session with journalctl -f say anything14:23
Andy80lbt: I cannot ssh into it as I told you14:24
lbtdid you read the FAQ14:24
lbtssh -p 2222 -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost14:24
Andy80lbt: not yet.. can't do many things at the same time :) I started reading it and I noticed that the screen was different and I told you etc...14:24
lbtyeah14:24
lbtI missed that you were using the nemo user too :)14:25
Andy80now I need to kill again the vm because it crashed14:25
Andy80lbt: ok, I'm inside it with ssh14:26
Andy80lbt: the journal etc... must be executed from root?14:26
lbtyes14:26
Andy80done... do you want me to paste the output somewhere?14:27
Andy80lbt: http://pastebin.com/ErUicFph14:28
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lbtso now do a build that causes the VM to shutdown14:29
Andy80ok, let me try...14:29
Andy80lbt: it didn't crash, but I got the same error: Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server.14:30
Andy8015:30:16: The process "/Users/andrea/.config/SailfishAlpha3/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-armv7hl/deploy" exited with code 1.14:30
Andy80Error while building/deploying project SailSoma (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl)14:30
Andy80When executing step 'Rpm'14:30
Morpog_PCwouldn't #sailfishos better suited for that type of discussion? :D14:30
lbtyes14:31
Andy80now it crashed!14:31
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lbtAndy80: lets move over there14:31
Andy80yeah sorry14:32
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krnlyngjust bought a jolla :)14:51
Iltsu(y)14:53
ortylpThis is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l7ixRE3OCw Including some notes of quality of Qt :(14:53
Stskeepskrnlyng: \o/14:53
ortylpX Security - It's worse than it looks [30c3]14:53
Stskeepsgood thing we're not running X then14:54
ortylpStskeeps: yep, but Qt is not great either in this context14:54
vegaiortylp: can you point at the time where Qt is mentioned?14:55
ggabrielhehe, nothing is ever secure in the ccc ;-)14:56
ortylpvegal: 00:14:00, but it makes sense only in the whole context, so better watch it from the beginning14:56
SpeedEvilkrnlyng: Congratulations!14:57
ggabrielkrnlyng: \o/ re jolla14:57
vegaiortylp: ok14:57
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tango_[15:06
covoxortylp: it's interesting viewing15:12
covoxthe qt bit is mostly about how the library isn't setuid safe15:13
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IltsuI installed arm-version of bittorrentsync, any ideas how to start it at boot? Somehow via upstart?15:15
covoxI did like the mixture of hatred and terror he expressed towards GLX15:15
StskeepsGLX should just die15:15
Stskeeps:P15:15
__pv_Iltsu: it has systemd instead of upstart.15:16
Iltsuouuu15:16
covoxStskeeps: agreed15:16
MSameerQt being Qt15:16
ortylpcovox: for me most critical was the response from qt devel, just depressing15:17
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covoxI can sort of see the logic as to why they pooh-poohed his security research, but that doesn't really justify their inaction15:20
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tango_link? (text, not video)15:24
covoxdon't think there's a transcript... it's pretty long15:25
tango_meh15:25
Iltsuhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_make_a_script_start_during_the_boot_process.3F15:25
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Iltsutried with that, but it didn't work :(15:25
covoxhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1NzA - dodgy phoronix summary15:25
__pv_is the brightness control in the phone settings supposed to do something? has no effect in my unit...15:26
hene-__pv_, it does. it slowly changes brightness15:26
hene-hit it to the lowest and wait a sec15:26
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__pv_ok, now I see it. the ux was a bit confusing15:28
hene-yep15:28
MSameer__pv_: if you want a constant brightness, you can disable ALS from display_15:30
MSameer)15:30
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covoxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 - this talk about X/wayland was referenced in that X security one15:34
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covoxit's quite good, lots of sarcasm and heckling15:35
covoxthis guy used to be on the maemo team, I think he's now employed by collabora to work on wayland15:37
Venemoortylp: actually the thing is not that easy15:38
Venemoortylp: Qt uses XCB, not Xlib, for a start15:38
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Stskeeps(in qt5..)15:41
ortylpVenemo: I do agree, IT IS NOT EASY, but from my experience each time I need to debug some GUI (at work) with valgrind it boils down to adding new suppressions for all those GUI libraries Qt is using until I get to the stuff I was looking for.  I am not writing GUIs myself, but I have to keep my colleagues in check and hel them clean up their bugs :(15:42
Venemowho cares about Qt4 anymore?15:42
Venemoortylp: I understand15:42
ortylpVenemo: and suprise, surprise, we stil do depend on qt3support libraries15:42
Venemoortylp: also, one of the commenters tried to find his bugreports in Qt but he didn't find any15:43
ortylpVenemo: security bugs are usually reported on other channel15:44
Venemoalso, the guy pronounces and writes Qt incorrectly15:45
covoxno wonder his arguments are invalid :P15:47
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RzRIICR he was one of debian x maintainers15:56
ortylpcovox: LOL :D15:56
QuuStskeeps: sent mail to care.. :p16:03
Stskeepsabout?16:07
Stskeeps:P16:07
Venemoortylp: I love how he goes on bashing GLX16:07
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ggabrielthis guy speaks way too quickly for his level of diction16:16
ggabrieland i thought i was bad...16:16
ortylpVenemo: yeah, it must have been really frustrating for him, I cannot comment on that, as I have not worked with GL, I am developing and implementing signal processing algorithms (octave/C/C++) and sometimes refactoring large chunks of (C/C++) legacy code...16:18
ortylpggabriel: I was listening to it at 1.5x realtime, but yes, I could not keep up with slides :)16:19
ggabrielortylp: i'm impressed, i can hardly understand him at 1x16:19
Venemoortylp: everyone's bashing GLX so I bet it's really that bad16:20
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ortylpggabriel: it comes with time, I am now not able to listen at 1x because the slowness is really annoying.  I hope gPodder gets speed control implemented for Jolla.16:24
stephganyone here in Europe/London or another non Finnish TZ that saw the alarm clock bug?16:25
covoxstephg: does it count as a bug if it annoys the crap out of me on a public holiday16:25
stephgha16:26
stephgmaybe, but I think there's another one and I want someone to test :)16:26
ggabrielstephg: am in lon16:26
ggabrielwhat bug? :)16:26
stephgcreate a new alarm for a minute or two from now16:26
stephgand let it go off16:26
stephgon mine it shows two times: the bottom one is the current time (or the time you've let it snooze, i.e. the alarm time, or +5 min, +10 etc)16:27
stephgtop one I think is the time the alarm is set to go off, but for me it's +1 hour like the old bug was16:27
ggabrielstephg: i'll tell you in a minute16:28
stephgI'd post a screenshot but off the top of my head don't know the command-line to take one:- you can't interact with the phone without snoozing the alarm16:28
ggabrielstephg: oh, yeah, what do you know16:29
ggabrielnot sure why there are 2 times in the first place16:29
ggabrielbut you're right, seems like the old bug16:29
stephgyeah that's odd, but I'm pretty sure the top one should be in the same TZ16:29
stephgdoes look the same doesn't iot16:30
ggabriel16.29 and 17.29 basically, alarm was for 16.2916:30
stephgyep16:30
pcfeFinally! wrangled NSSdb into shape16:30
stephgwhere in London are you btw16:30
ggabrielse6 (circa lewisham)16:30
stephgcool, now live north but used to live in canada water16:31
stephganyway, isn't a serious one but just wanted to check I wasn't going amd16:31
ggabrielyeah, just report it i guess16:32
ggabrieleasily reproducible16:32
ggabrielas opposed to this email not responding one16:32
stephg^ which one that?16:32
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/8116/bug-email-does-not-respond/16:32
stephgew16:33
stephgdeadlock16:33
ggabrielthe reporter may be right, i just can't pull it off in my phone16:33
ggabrielmaybe he's using android ;-)16:33
stephgI get lots of mail, I can try :)16:33
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stephgwell I didn't get not responding but then reading a new one that's just come in has taken over 2 minutes now16:38
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stephgjolla-email and lipstick chewing through my cpu16:38
ggabrielwhat's lipstick btw?16:38
stephg/usr/bin/lipstick16:39
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Venemoggabriel: it is the home screen process16:40
Stskeepsstephg: lipstick is the compositor, it'll always use a fair bit of cpu16:40
ggabrielah, thanks16:40
stephgStskeeps yeah, think it was whilst drawing the spindicator16:40
ggabrielstephg: you use android?16:43
ggabrieli mean, the alien dalvik application?16:43
stephgyep16:44
ggabrieli wonder what happens if you switch it off (like with systemctl)16:44
ggabrielas i can't reproduce that bug at all16:44
stephgyep one sec16:44
ggabrielit's as smooth as butter16:44
stephg(though I didn't have a window open, I guess that doesn't mean there aren't apps running)16:44
ggabrielit does try to update the mailbox for each delete tho, not sure that's ok16:44
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stephgI've seen funny things in the mail app before with deletes, I'm keeping track of that with https://together.jolla.com/question/2499/performance-email-app-unresponsive-when-deleting-50-emails/ )16:45
ggabrielfrom its behaviour, it does look like it should queue actions rather than commit them constantly to the imap server16:46
ggabrieli should tail the log to confirm16:47
ggabrielmaybe when the headache goes away16:47
stephgggabriel was under the impression it was a local thing rather than actually issuing imap commands:- it's messageserver that actually does the imap interaction?16:47
ggabrieli've no idea, i was going to tail the logs on the server :)16:47
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ggabrielhehe, i got karma taken away from a question that i didn't contribute at all, or at least can't remember doing so16:50
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petantikever since, i masked tohd.service my battery life has been very good.16:58
Stskeepsgood17:02
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ggabrielare we expecting more power optimisaitons btw?17:04
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PeterParkpetantik: same here: Battery life exceeds my n900: I recharge it approx. every 2 days (no data service, but WLAN, ) on my n900 I recharged usually 1 every 18-24  hours17:06
petantikPeterPark: Yup, i've been unplugged for 4 hours and only lost 5%17:08
w00tggabriel: I think it's always the case that software is never finished :)17:08
ggabrielw00t: yeah, i know, i guess i was asking more about anything significant in the pipeline, that's all17:10
ggabrieland just curious really17:10
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petantikI wonder if there's a possible usecase for sliding left and right when using the pulley menu. autoscroll? sliders?17:13
faenilmy connman is talking bs :D17:19
faenilhas anyone seen connection attempt loop with 3g data?17:20
Bysmyyrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/8219/put-5-point-multi-touch-to-use/17:20
CoderCandym17:22
CoderCandya17:23
CoderCandysorry about spam, trying to figore out this glitch I jost got.17:25
CoderCandyI love it btw17:25
Bysmyyrloving = voting ;)17:26
CoderCandyremote keyboard or whatever crashed, so I have a permanent transparent keyboard in android mode17:27
Bysmyyryep, that is old problem, should be fixd in newest version17:27
CoderCandyWHAT?17:27
CoderCandyAww17:27
CoderCandyIrcing on this phone has never been as nice as it is now...17:28
CoderCandyAlso, how do I force this bug to happen?17:29
CoderCandyI wanna use it to irxc :p17:30
CoderCandyirc*17:30
BysmyyrI think it is just random17:31
BysmyyrWrite to tjc about it and ask it for option17:32
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petantikhow close do the jolla people work with the people who provide alien dalvik?18:29
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AJAX555is there any patch notes for upcoming patches?18:40
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Pnuupetantik: if I'm not entirely wrong, Stskeeps made alien dalvik :-P18:45
Stskeepsno no18:46
Stskeepsi didn't18:46
Pnuuok, then I was :-D18:46
Stskeepslibhybris, android hardware adaptations, yes, but alien dalvik is none of my doing18:46
Pnuuah, right18:46
fk_lxalien dalvik is Myriad work :-)18:46
Stskeepsif it was mine it'd probably be open source and jolla'd probably be bankrupt18:46
Stskeeps;)18:46
fk_lxhaha :-)18:47
tango_well, no18:47
fk_lxso true18:47
fk_lx:-D18:47
tango_since it wouldn't have had to pay for it18:47
tango_now I assume jolla is shelling monies for each phone they get out, for license to myriad?18:47
tango_anyway, fix the stupid dns thing18:47
ggabrieltango_: hopefully for every person who installs it ;-)18:47
Stskeepstango_: i think we just need past holidays and the dns thing will be looked at18:48
Stskeepsit's probably just some standard system propery18:48
Stskeepsty18:48
Stskeepsi personally use 8.8.8.8 myself as my wifi router DNS sucks and so does my isp's18:49
tango_it is, but apparently setting it in /system/default.prop or whatever doesn t work18:49
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Stskeepsof course not, /system isn't where alien's root is18:49
tango_I've looked into every single .prop file in the machine, added net.dns1 = 127.0.0.1 to it and it gets ignored18:49
tango_Stskeeps: it wasn't /system, it was something something / system18:49
tango_anyway18:49
tehdelythe android support has been alright for me, but it seems like a lot of the privacy-stealing features of android don't work18:59
tehdelywhich is both a bug and a feature18:59
tehdelyit's a bug because i really want snapchat to be able to access my phone book ;)19:00
tehdelyit's a feature because "oh right, this is one of the reasons i've never wanted android"19:00
tango_snapchat, eh19:02
tango_did you see the recent snapchat leak news?19:02
tehdelyyes19:02
tehdelygood thing i signed up right after they patched that stupid hole19:03
tehdelythe swine19:03
tehdelything is, a bunch of my friends use it and i have actually wanted to use snapchat for a long while now19:03
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petantikno more bad hair day pics.19:04
pdanekHow can I turn off sound when typing phone number? The only way I found is going into silent mode.19:11
pdanekWhen I turn off all sound feedbacks, it still makes the sound.19:11
pdanekSeems like a bug.19:12
pdanekOr forgotten thing.19:12
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AJAX555I wonder why my ubuntu crashes everytime I try uploading a video to my jolla with usb-cable..19:27
PnuuMTP or scp?19:28
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AJAX555drag & drop, dunno which one it uses19:30
zoraelHas anyone gotten Google Play to work? I installed it as per http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html and it sort of works, but the store itself crashes on open19:30
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tehdelyare there any repos i can add to install some basic unix tools19:31
tehdelyi want 'less'19:31
tehdelyand 'bash-completion'19:31
tehdelyamong others :)19:31
zorael(tmux pls)19:31
zoraelmosh19:31
tehdelywhat, screen + ssh isn't good enough? ;)19:32
tehdelydo you know how stoked i was that my phone included screen19:32
tehdelyout of the box19:32
zorael:319:32
zoraeltmux is sex19:32
tehdelynow to figure out what's guzzling battery19:32
tehdelyi disabled the tohd service, per some ppls suggestions19:32
zoraelstopped tohd.service?19:32
zoraeloh19:32
parasemiczorael, did you remember to type the space between /system and /opt?19:32
tehdelyi bet you alien dalvik sucks juice up19:32
tehdelydoes it spin up background processes?19:32
parasemictehdely, are you sure you stopped the tohd.service19:33
tehdelyyeah i stopped it19:33
parasemicand masked it?19:33
tehdelyi disabled it, yeah19:33
tehdelyoh you know what i really need? avahi19:33
tehdelyi found a build for my n9 a while back19:33
tehdelyand it registers with mdns every time it associates to a wifi network19:34
tehdelymakes it handy to ssh to the phone19:34
parasemici think "disable" didn't do anything19:34
zoraelparasemic: I extracted it properly, aye -- a diff shows some new files, some files changed19:34
parasemici had to 'stop' and 'mask' so its offline and wont start19:34
zoraeler no, no files changed, sorry19:35
zoraelsince --ignore-existing19:35
Pnuutehdely: did you do "sysctl stop tohd.service" and "sysctl mask tohd.service"?19:35
tehdelyok, masked it19:35
parasemictehdely what does "status" say now?19:36
tehdely  Loaded: masked (/dev/null)19:36
tehdely  Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:03:34 -0800; 32min ago19:36
tehdelyMain PID: 1622 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)19:36
tehdelylooks good to me19:36
zoraelpoint in case: new alien/system/app contains Google apks, old one does not19:36
parasemicalso, people have been saying tweetian is eating up the battery19:37
tehdelyis that the default twitter app19:37
tehdelytwitter apps always guzzled battery on my n919:37
parasemicalso, i think the Jopas app turns on the gps while the options still say its turned off19:37
tehdelyi haven't met one that's well-behaved TBH19:38
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parasemicno, tweetian is 3rd party twitter app19:38
tehdelyoh ok19:38
tehdelyi'm hoping some other qt apps find their way over19:38
tehdelyi want sports-tracker and podcatcher19:38
tehdelyand has anyoen created a repo for just basic unix tools that are missing19:40
Pnuutehdely: ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon search name less19:41
Morpog_PCtehdely, I guess tweetian is eating the more battery, the shorter the refresh time is, or worse when using livestreaming19:41
Morpog_PCbut you can set that in settings of tweetian19:41
tehdelyanyway to check battery status from a shell?19:42
ShadowJKExamine files in /sys/class/power_supply/battery/19:42
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tehdelyPnuu: <3 <3 <319:43
zoraelparasemic: for what it's worth, play store works now after removing android support completely, renaming /opt/alien and installing it all afresh19:47
parasemicallright, cool19:47
tehdelyhmm, i wonder where i can get bc/dc19:49
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parasemicanyone got experience with instagram?19:50
parasemici installed it and tried to make an account, but now it says my account was disables due violation :D19:50
parasemicgoogle tells me its a bug with account creation, tho19:50
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lbttehdely: have you added mer-tools ?19:53
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AntiHawkgood evening, I've just noticed that my Jolla offers me to update to 1.0.2.5 version, only thing is that I'm already running that version, any ideas?19:54
tehdelyyes19:54
tehdelythere's still some things i can't find19:54
lbttehdely: also 'chum'19:54
tehdelyis that anotehr repo19:54
lbttehdely: yep :)19:54
tehdelywhere cna i read about this repo architecture19:55
lbthttps://together.jolla.com/question/5762/add-repository-to-sailfish-where-users-can-contribute-directly/19:55
tehdelyare these just community repos or are they somehow supported by jolla19:55
tehdelyoh there you go with a link answering my question before i type it19:55
lbtare they supported by jolla? well - they're not something jolla care will help with19:55
tehdelyi still want the rest of the bits of a gnu system.  i've got less, but i need a command line calculator for my shell scripts19:56
tehdelyso i may have to build bc/dc from source19:56
tehdelyso i guess it's time to figure out the build environment19:56
lbtbut jolla support the community stuff financially19:56
tehdelywhat are most people developing on?19:56
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lbtthe stuff you describe is more Mer level than sailfish19:56
lbtso Mer platform SDK is a linux chroot environment19:56
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lbtbut if you have the SDK then the Build Engine is very similar19:57
tehdelyis sailfish a fork of mer?  what is the relationship between the two19:57
tehdelyif i wanted to target sailfish, would i need a sailfish-specific sdk19:57
tehdelyor would mer platform SDK do19:57
lbtsailfish is built on Mer19:57
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lbtand for this stuff the platform SDK would do19:58
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micko_is google account disconnecting a known bug?20:56
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Quuyes21:01
Quuiirc some sort of fix is coming in next patch21:01
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Bysmyyrgood toknow21:15
specialmicko_: are you using the latest update?21:15
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bennypr0fanehey, has anyone tried syncing Sailfish calendar with Exchange/Outlook.com?21:32
bennypr0faneI can't get it to sync. If I enter an event on Jolla default calendar, it doesn't show up in my Outlook.com calendar online. I set syncing to always on21:35
Tofebennypr0fane: yes, it worked out of the box for me21:35
TofeBut I don't create data from Jolla's side, I just use it to view my calendar from work21:36
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bennypr0faneTofe, i.e. you only ever make new entries on yr work pc?21:40
pdanek1How do I delete list of last calls :O21:41
bennypr0fanehmmm maybe outlook.com syncing it's read-only21:41
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Jonniafaik its currently one way sync, from server to device.21:44
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bennypr0faneJonni, man, that sucks21:45
Jonniafaik 2-way sync is coming as sw update at some point.21:45
bennypr0faneJonni you mean that is the Sailfish sync-clinet's fault?21:46
tehdely_hmm21:46
tehdely_i bought some fancy app for my mac which supports MTP syncing21:46
tehdely_but it doesn't seem to be working with the jolla21:46
tehdely_:(21:46
Jonnibennypr0fane: afaik, 2 way sync required some more maturizing testing before beeing release, as end users would not be happy if devices empty calender would remove all cal entries on server side :)21:47
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AL13Nbtw: any dev can tell me if https://together.jolla.com/question/6941/harbour-app-rpms-to-be-signed-by-a-dedicated-key/ is on the roadmap?21:47
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AL13Nwould be good for security21:47
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Jonniwell signing doesnt do any good for security untill something uses that information somehow21:48
AL13Nif i was an owner of a network, i could just let DNS intercept it, redo the SSL certificate and put different packages and hack all the devices coming into my network21:48
AL13NJonni: well, as i said, signing them, and the installer should then also check the signatures and warn21:49
AL13Nthat's good enough for me21:49
AL13Nsigning them is cheap to do, changing the installer can always be done at a later point21:49
Jonniand you can as developer insert any CA to be trusted store CA, and installer would be fooled.21:49
AL13Nprobably, but that's another matter21:50
Jonnibut yes signatures would bring some benefit if pkcon would handle them somehow differently21:50
AL13Npkcon itself doesn't handle it?21:50
AL13Nreally?21:50
bennypr0faneAL13N, afaik #sailfishos is the dev channel21:51
AL13Ni figured this was a UI change only (adding some hooks or something)21:51
tehdely_so what do y'all think is up with the whole bootloader locking thing?21:51
tehdely_even nokia didn't do that on the n921:51
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AL13Ntehdely_: there's a comment on the release notes page that is clarifying21:51
Quu"security"21:51
suytehdely_: fastboot screen?21:51
Jonnitehdely_: nokias bootloader was always readonly you couldnt overwrite it, our bootloader can be overwritten by root.21:52
tehdely_yeah but nokia's bootloader let you boot custom kernels21:52
AL13Ntehdely_: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ look at the last section "tinkerability"21:52
tehdely_it would flip the device into open mode21:52
tehdely_and throw the BSW21:52
tehdely_but at least it let you do it...21:52
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AL13Ntehdely_: before continuing, plz read that first21:52
Jonnitehdely_: well yes and after coming sw update you can again boot your custom kernels.21:52
bennypr0faneI really hope what comes next in terms of syncing is CalDAV and CardDAV21:52
AL13NJonni: already! nice21:53
tehdely_today i also learned that exchange sync was one-way.  i have to remember that owning this device means getting to be a hacker :)21:53
tehdely_i have replaced my N9 with it but my N9 was more functional in a few regards.  i am in it for the long haul though21:53
JonniAL13N: well even current one allows you boot custom kernel if you put it in rescue partition :)21:53
tehdely_jolla doesn't even give me 3G svc where I live but i am learning to live with it21:53
AL13Ntehdely_: not necessarily, it'll just take some time for everything to be done21:53
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AL13NJonni: i read about that21:54
tehdely_AL13N: i wasn't complaining abt. the bootloader btw, just asking for clarification (which i got).  so thx :)21:54
tehdely_i already did all my complaining the other night21:54
AL13Nheh21:54
tehdely_and it was about shipping a phone with euro-only UMTS21:54
tehdely_but not announcing the supported radio bands until the device was already shipping21:54
tehdely_which i still think is a bit cheeky21:54
AL13Nwell, it's only shipping in EUR countries anyway21:54
tehdely_true, but most phones will support at least one NAM band, even if they're sold in europe21:55
AL13Nthough supported radio bands, i'm not certain, but i think a firmware update might impact that21:55
tehdely_if you wanted to go all out you'd need to support 850/900/1700/1900/210021:55
tehdely_which nokia did on all their s^3 devices + the n921:55
AL13Ntehdely_: iinm there was a mention it was quad-band21:55
tehdely_it is quad-band for GSM21:55
tehdely_so i'm fine there21:55
tehdely_i may be the last person on EDGE in San Francisco21:56
tehdely_network performance is great ;)21:56
AL13Nheh21:56
AL13Nbtw: how did you manage to get one in US?21:56
tehdely_friend in Tampere :)21:56
tehdely_he got in on the preorder, so I am getting the pipo as well... but he sent that by regular post21:56
tehdely_so i don't have it21:56
tehdely_phone was sent DHL21:56
tehdely_i traded him an iPad for his troubles21:57
AL13Nwow, you did a good deal21:59
AL13Nor... you're a bad friend21:59
AL13N:-)21:59
tehdely_actually it was just about dollar-for-dollar even21:59
tehdely_value of jolla + pipo is 450EUR22:00
AL13Nsure, but an iPad is not something i want22:00
tehdely_value of iPad mini retina w/lte + smart cover is... $620, which works out to... 450EUR :)22:00
AL13Nnor would recommend anyone22:00
tehdely_i bought the first iPad when it came out22:00
tehdely_and recently traded it in for a $200 gift card at target22:00
tehdely_i have no interest in getting another one22:00
AL13Nwell, i would consider personal worth more important than financial worth22:01
tehdely_if i ever do buy another tablet it'll be a surface pro22:01
tehdely_iPad was his idea.  i think he said he wanted a fancy alarm clock for his bed22:01
AL13Nisn't that the windows thing?22:01
tehdely_i was going to send bitcoin lol22:01
AL13Nlol22:01
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tehdely_yeah, surface pro is windows.22:01
AL13Ntehdely_: before the recent crash? lol22:01
tehdely_i haven't had a windows anything in many years22:01
tehdely_but i like the idea of a tablet with decent battery life that runs a full desktop OS22:02
tehdely_and will allow me to run basically whatever i want22:02
tehdely_which actually makes a windows tablet superior to an android one22:02
AL13Ni've yesterday seen someone handle a windows tablet thing and trying to make a movie22:02
tehdely_since there is a version of everything for Windows22:02
AL13Nbut they didn't find that movie later to play it22:02
AL13Ni thought the tablets were UEFI locked?22:02
AL13Nhow could you run something else on it?22:03
tehdely_no, i would be running Windows22:03
tehdely_but they make everything _for_ Windows, is my point22:03
tehdely_it's really the only multi-"ecosystem" tablet22:03
AL13Noh, like that22:03
tehdely_i can consume content from apple, google, netflix, and.... usenet :P22:03
tehdely_i can run torrents.  i can run cygwin.  i can run linux in a vm22:04
tehdely_etc. etc.22:04
AL13Ni have a different opinion on that, but no matter22:04
tehdely_well i haven't actually bought one22:04
tehdely_i just think if i ever grabbed another tablet, it'd be that22:04
tehdely_tablets are just not that useful for me though22:04
AL13Nto each his own22:04
AL13Ni can agree there22:04
AL13Nanyway, gtg22:05
tehdely_the first iPad was nice because at the time my mac laptop was dying and i did not have much money22:05
tehdely_cool22:05
AL13Ndead tired after all the parties22:05
tehdely_heh22:05
tehdely_i went to one party last night22:05
AL13Nkids 'll be awake early22:05
tehdely_it was my downstairs neighbor's22:05
tehdely_and, shockingly, there was a guy there22:05
tehdely_who knew what a jolla was22:05
tehdely_i was obviously stoked to show it off22:05
AL13Nlol22:05
tehdely_it's a small universe22:06
tehdely_he used to work on symbian firmwares.  what are the odds22:06
pdanek1http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8944/s9zo.jpg22:06
tehdely_pdanek1: first teardown?22:06
pdanek1It's from 48GX on talk.maemo.org22:07
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AL13Npdanek1: is that a cooling plate beneath the microsim?22:10
AL13Nwhere's the SoC?22:10
pdanek1Don't know, but I don't think so.22:11
pdanek1Not photo from me.22:11
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tehdely_has anyone done a thorough teardown and established what radios are in the device, etc.22:12
AL13Nabove the microsd, there's a text: "CARD_.... TRULY"22:12
AL13Nlike we wouldn't believe it22:12
AL13Nlol22:12
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tango_wow so card such truly doge22:15
VenemoYTimur22:15
VenemoYesI'mAwesome!!!22:15
Venemokillall eog22:15
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Quuwat22:17
tehdely_quick, someone hack him22:18
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zoraelare there any hidden UI tweaks hidden in some .conf files someplace? I really want to disable auto-capitalization, and the spellchecking is just in the way23:13
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FireFlyI'd like to disable auto-capitalisation too, hm23:16
FireFlyNo Together entry for that yet23:16
suyYou mean in all text input?23:19
Elleozorael: you could modify /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/KeyboardBase.qml's applyAutocaps() function to always set autocaps to false I guess23:19
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Elleostandard disclaimers about breaking stuff being in no way my fault apply23:20
suyNormally the author can set up hints where that makes sense: Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase | Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText for example23:20
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Elleoand I haven't tried it myself, as I don't mind the autocaps stuff23:20
suywhere "author" means the author of the app in question23:20
FireFlyYeah, in all text input where the standard keyboard is used23:23
FireFlyMaemo 5 had a checkbox for that, I'm pretty sure23:24
zoraelElleo: seems to have worked :3 I changed the big if-statement in applyAutocaps() to always fail23:30
pdanek1Is there any GUI frontend for OpenRepos for Sailfish?23:30
zorael  if (false && /* ... */)23:30
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Venemobtw23:35
Venemoemail app doesn't sync, even though it's set to automatically sync every 30 minutes23:35
Venemoit hasn't synced for 7 hours now23:35
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specialVenemo: sounds like something to put on together.jolla.com23:51
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tehdelyi learned today that sync is only one-way with exchange.  i'm assuming that'll be fixed in a soon-to-come sw release?23:52
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specialalso sounds like something for together.jolla.com23:53
Venemotogether is already full of my email bugs23:53
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spider-marioVenemo : does you “Transfers” view contain plenty of failed e-mail syncs?23:54
spider-mariomine does23:54
Venemospider-mario: there are some, but those are a week old23:54
Venemospider-mario: but when I ask the app to update manually, it always works23:55
spider-marioI have so many of them right now that I need at least 9 seconds to scroll through all of them23:55
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spider-marioI’ve let them accumulate for ~24h23:56
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eyeajolla jolla joh23:59

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