#jollamobile log for Sunday, 2014-01-05

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pdanekStskeeps: do you consider Ubuntu Touch as modern OS, worth of year 2013?00:11
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kelvanandroid apps stopped suddenly playing sound, maybe beacause of the update2, any idea? http://pastebin.com/mPeNekeN00:14
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HtheBkelvan: it's a known bug00:35
HtheBjust reboot your device or restart dalvik00:35
HtheBhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/00:35
HtheBsee "Known issues"00:35
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kelvanHtheB: restart was the first thing I did, I'll try a second reboot01:26
kelvanthx01:26
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kelvanrestart dalvik did it, thanks again01:29
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kelvanis there a possibility to list all packages manually installed (not the preinstalled ones) with zypper? still looking for a way to fix camera/led without resetting everthing01:55
* pahartik did set up "Bluetooth PAN" and "radvd", but no traffic seems to be getting through "bnep0"02:04
* pahartik is attempting to route IPv6 traffic between "Bluetooth PAN" and mobile network, just like "Nokia N900" has done for years02:08
kelvanGetting "The camera service is missing" at jolla-camera start02:10
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tanghusOK, now my email account is not getting recognized. That is  - annoying...06:32
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entilI can't seem to upgrade my google account; there's constant complaint about that06:47
entildon't even know where to start debugging but I might as well uninstall it, the hegemony of google is scary enough as it is06:47
tanghusentil: The Force is with you :)06:51
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entilno but this stuff Should Work :P07:10
entilmaybe it's because I have a google account but not with gmail, if it ties into the mail system07:10
tanghusHmm, now the only option for flash in cam is off...07:47
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micko_now this is weird. tohd is stopped, but jolla takes 10% of battery in 1h08:10
tango_micko_: in use or in standby?08:14
micko_standby. I just closed all the apps I had running to make sure it's none of them08:17
AL13Nmicko_: something android? or is tohd restarted?08:17
AL13Nmicko_: did you check with ssh?08:17
AL13Nand powertop?08:18
micko_but no help. batteru has gone down 3% more in this 8min08:18
micko_tohd is stopped. no powertop installed. can I get it with pkcon install powertop?08:19
micko_looks like not08:20
mikma_micko_: reboot and check status08:21
mikma_you'd better mask it too before you stop/disable it08:22
mikma_what i read, when you stop it and reboot, it'll pop up after the boot. but if you mask + disable it, it'll stay stopped08:22
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AL13Nmikma: you can still check if it's running by "systemctl status tohd.service"08:27
AL13Nif it gets restarted by something else it'll still show as on08:28
mikmaal13n: yeap, that's the reason i went with "reboot and check status" :)08:29
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AL13Nmicko_: in any case, i've seen people use powertop, maybe mer-tools needs to be enabled for that08:30
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micko_I do knos how masking and stopping differ. Ii stop it manually every time after reboot because I don't want to have any duct tape solutions when an update comes08:40
micko_so it's not tohd this time that's consuming the battery. ot's something else08:42
AL13N^^ iinm ssu ar mer-tools && pkcon install powertop08:43
AL13Ni could be wrong08:43
AL13Nbut, possibly something like that08:43
mikmabut the fix/update for nfc-bug is not automatic, you can just start the tohd again before you decide to update08:44
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tehdelyhowdy sailors08:54
Stskeepsmorn tehdely08:54
ottulohaha, I didn't notice there was a comic about Jolla in HS08:54
Stskeepswhich one of them?08:55
Stskeepsand when08:55
tehdelytoday i learned that i can't use the sailfish browser in landscape mode08:55
tehdelyi hope that is fixed soon :)08:55
ottuloStskeeps: Dec 1908:55
ottulohttp://www.hs.fi/fingerpori/s130576266567408:55
Stskeepsah yes08:55
tehdelyi think i just used TJC wrong08:57
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Stskeepsdownvote time?08:58
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tehdelyah08:59
tehdelythat "convert answer to question comment" button is handy08:59
tehdelyit's almost like... i'm not the first person to accidentally answer something when i thought i was commenting08:59
tehdelyStskeeps: pls tell me there are plans for a system voicemail notification08:59
tehdely(pls pretty pls)09:00
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Stskeepstehdely: there seems to be but i can't say what update they'd go into09:07
AL13Nnot marked as roadmap yet?09:09
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* covox wishes qt could name things better09:25
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covoxit took me a whole six-pack to grok the difference between qtwayland's qt_extended_output and qt_output_extension09:27
covoxah well, half way there! SDL is receiving rotation change events, now it's just a case of hooking it up to the window-handling code09:28
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tango_can somebody translate that comic?09:39
ShadowJKit's not funny when explained :)09:40
tango_ShadowJK: still09:40
tango_at least I know what it says09:41
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ShadowJK"This new "kapula" is quite small compared to its features". Kapula = phone / penis.  ... Next day news paper headline: "Engineer Heimo Visa interviewed" .. "Jolla has a small kapula". Jolla also means "who has", so the final punchline has 4 different meanings: "Jolla is a small phone", "Who has a small phone", "Jolla is a small penis", "Who has a small penis". "Interview with engineer Heimo Visa, who has a small penis."09:45
ShadowJKNot funny when translated :P09:45
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AL13NShadowJK: hahaha10:05
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AL13NShadowJK: well, for people not speaking finnish translating it is funnier than when not translated10:06
entil"jolla on" means "jolla is" or "jolla has", to be precise ;P Finnish is one of the few languages that don't have different verbs for to be and to have10:06
entilbut that's funny, yeah :D10:07
covoxentil: how does that work with expletives that are also body parts10:08
tango_ShadowJK: lol10:09
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ShadowJKentil; but "You have a" and "you are a" are different10:16
AL13Nwhat? your have a kaputa and you are a kaputa is different?10:17
AL13NShadowJK: tango_ : ^^ :-D10:17
ShadowJKIt's weird, kapula wouldn't work in that context, it'd be associated with a phone or a piece of wood10:19
entil"sinulla on kapula", "sinä olet kapula" sure, but there are corner cases10:19
entil(and afaik the effort to get "omata" as the verb for "to have" has been going on for a century)10:19
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ShadowJKI believe finnish is the only language for which uncyclopedia didn't have to make up stuff, as it's crazy and unbelievable as-is. :P10:20
entilhaha10:20
entilit's a wonderful language, if you're into languages10:20
entilif not, you wouldn't care either way ;P10:21
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TemeVShadowJK: who uses kapula as synonym to penis?10:50
Pnuujarla :-D10:50
walokranobody uses jolla as a synonym to penis but you get the joke when you know fingerpori humour10:51
TemeVI think it means krapula (hangover) from the DNA ads10:52
TemeVthe ad where guy looks as he has a hangover and complains "I have a terrible 'kapula'"10:52
walokrain the fingerpori strip it means penis10:53
Pnuuwalokra: yeah10:53
walokrawords are context related10:53
Pnuuyup, it's not a synonym of penis, but it implies "penis"10:54
TemeVwalokra: how do you know? Has Jarla him self explained the joke?10:54
TemeVI tought he doesn't usually do that10:54
walokraI don't have to ask jarla as I get the fingerpori humour10:55
PnuuTemeV: it's self-evident :-)10:55
walokraand having a small hangover isn't funny10:55
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Pnuuand not in the context10:55
TemeVwhatever... :)10:56
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Pnuutanghus: do you need to mark me as translator or something before I can start?10:56
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walokraalso karlsson drew jolla joke: http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/sarjis/560/1305753880784?ts=71510:57
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tango_walokra: translate11:03
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ShadowJK"Yes, really, Jollas have been wished for in many letters"11:04
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walokraand jolla is a small boat in finnish11:05
mikmasome sort of "dingy"11:05
suyCool, jolla is a boat. :) So when started the sea analogies for the first time? With Mer?11:06
mikmahttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Rowboat_with_oars.jpg11:07
mikmajolla :D11:07
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Pnuuthat's it, small and agile11:07
mikmasuy: well, "Mer" is not a complete word. the whole word is "Meri" = sea11:08
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mikmasuy: Mer doesn't mean anything, sounds like a name (or short version of Merlin, hehe)11:08
suymikma: OK. But "mar" means sea in some romance languages :)11:09
suyI read "mer" and I think of sea, for example11:09
TemeVit has something to do with the sea. E.g. word mermaid11:09
mikmatemev: oh11:09
TemeVand there is lots of pictures of sea with google search word mer11:10
Pnuumer is french for sea11:10
suyhttp://www.english-for-students.com/mar.html11:10
mikmabut as you can imagine, jolla is the small boat that gets towed behind larger boats. also known as emergencyboat if the ship is sinking.. so, metaphore for nokia sinking and they getting saved with jolla ;)11:11
TemeVPnuu: so it seems :)11:11
FireFlyMeer is german for sea11:12
TemeVI jsut found the wiktionary page11:12
TemeVhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mer11:12
FireFlyHm11:12
suyLuckily they don't named the company "fire extinguisher" :)11:12
suy(for the burning platform thing)11:12
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TemeVI think I've read some life boat analogy though11:13
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TemeVJolla is a lifeboat for the Nokia engineers at the burning platform11:14
ln-although i think someone denied that etymology having been intentional11:15
Waiteei had a jolla boat like 10 years ago11:15
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TemeVln-: yeah, I think it was more like "some Finnish word, related to sea, and sounds good internationally"11:21
Waiteejolla is a type of small sailboat for one or two persons11:22
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mikmayeah, for captain and chef11:22
AbjectioTemeV: nice analogy. (Like)11:23
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attahwe have a similar word in Swedish, Jolle, and here it can refer to any small boat.. sail or otherwise11:23
AbjectioSame in Norwegian "Jolle" - however it could be a small boat with a sail (1-2 person) or a small boat with "sticks" for rowing.11:24
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attahi think it can even be used if the boat has a motor, provided that the boat is still small enough11:26
Waiteeyeah11:26
AbjectioIs there a better "mail" app than the default mail app in jolla - (Connecting to exchange). The default look like a bad html mail reader.11:26
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spider-mariomy phone runs 1.0.2.5 but it says that there is an update available to 1.0.2.5…11:42
spider-mariooh, it just stopped doing that.11:42
spider-mario:)11:42
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spider-mario(I told it to update and it opened the store which said “up to date”)11:43
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TemeVspider-mario: my phone does that all the time11:49
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AL13Nany app devs think that this answer is a good idea to do? https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description/11:57
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zbenjaminis there a fix for the google sign off problem?12:01
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AL13NBTW: question, is there someone coming to FOSDEM?12:14
AL13Nor a jolla booth, maybe?12:15
attahhas anyone had any success with getting at some diagnostics interfaces or similar for the modem? i'd be great if we could peek at some rrc signalling :)12:20
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attahAnyone know what this means: "Available   pattern:sailfish-debug-tools-qualcomm-0.6.32-10.34.1.jolla.noarchSailfish Debug Tools Qualcomm"? What's a pattern in this case?12:37
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Quugg.12:46
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StskeepsQuu: were you in vicinity of tampere or helsinki?12:51
StskeepsQuu: your device does it so much that it might be good to take a look at it12:52
Quuyes, 290km from helsinki12:52
attahsomeone tampere'd with Quu's phone?12:52
Quuattah pls such joke12:53
Yanielhaha :D12:53
StskeepsAL13N: many of us are coming to fosdem but no booth this year, we forgot the deadline12:55
Stskeepsno idea if my talk got accepted yet12:55
StskeepsQuu: cat /proc/cmdline as devel-su says what?12:55
Quusec.12:56
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attahanyone know when the api for i2c to TOH will be released?13:06
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Quuyes.13:09
attahquu: was that for me? if so; when? :)13:10
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Quuthey will be released13:10
Quuvalve-soon.13:10
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attahso any time between tuesday and christmas?13:11
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Quuwould not be that accurate, but probably13:11
flanaghttps://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time13:12
* stephg is still waiting for Episode 3 :(13:12
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flanagbtw, has anyone been able to force the browser to keep more than one page in memory? I already set the viewport to 650 (helped readability massively) and enabled the "reflow text on zoom" feature (but disabled it later because it's too buggy atm)13:14
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AL13Nwas i gone?13:17
AL13Nam i still on ipv6?13:17
flanagprobably13:17
stephgflanag where's viewport set? the only variables I see for that are bools13:17
AL13Nanyone check if i'm on IPv6 plz?13:18
AL13Ni had a server failure13:18
flanagyou can find the viewport on about:config and then set it on user.js13:18
AL13Nor rather, a little wooden thing where the server stood became wet and crashed, making the server fall down (but still run)13:18
AL13Nbut i had to switch modem13:18
AL13Ncan anyone tell my ip?13:19
stephgflanag: all I have are embedlite.azpc.json.viewport and embedlite.azpc.handle.viewport and both are bools13:19
stephgthat's why I was asking13:19
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flanagstephg: I'll check it for you13:20
stephgnothing else with 'view' in the name that is an int13:20
stephgthanks13:21
PnuuAL13N: 15:17 -!- AL13N [~alien@mail.rmail.be] has joined #jollamobile13:21
stephgmail.rmail.be resolves as both v4 and v6 so I don't know13:21
pahartikAL13N: Use "netstat -nap | less" to find out13:23
flanagstephg: it's browser.viewport.desktopWidth13:23
stephghow strange that doesn't show up in the search13:23
flanaghave you tried inputting the whole thing?13:23
stephgweird, it's not there :/13:24
stephgin about:config anyway13:24
flanagyeah, that's weird13:24
flanagtry setting it on user.js anyway13:25
AL13Ndamn, ipv413:25
stephgrighto, ssh I go13:25
AL13Ndamn, both tunnels failed after i used the other modem13:27
AL13Ncan't seem to get them right13:27
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AL13Nok, ipv6 is back13:36
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pahartikAL13N: Very good13:38
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flanagstephg: were you able to set the viewport?13:40
stephgin /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed/user.js?13:40
stephgthat the right place?13:40
flanagyeah13:40
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stephgit's set with spaces, but /. still looks god awful, but then it always does :)13:40
stephgoh looks like I set it wrong now that I RFTM13:41
flanagwrong?13:41
stephguser_pref("browser.viewport.desktopWidth", 650 );13:42
stephgthat look ok?13:42
flanagyeah13:42
stephglets see what it does13:42
flanagwhy the space behind the value?13:42
stephgno reason13:43
flanagprobably doesn't matter13:43
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AL13Npahartik: i forgot that my other modem was on another interface with other ip, so i had to change the source ip for the tunnel interfaces13:49
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flanagstephg: does it work?13:52
stephgnot quite sure13:53
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nadrielI just noticed.. I seem to have filters for typos.. Newest update is "jävri" not järvi. :)14:03
nadrielMade me smile, thanks jolla!14:04
flanagit's not a typo14:04
nadrielSaamea?14:05
flanagkyllä14:05
Quuyuup14:05
mikmaya. its not a typo14:05
nadrielIt still made me smile. : (14:06
nadrielNow I'm smiling for whole another reason.14:06
Quumaybe next update will be called "lake bodom"14:06
flanaghah14:06
* tango_ thinks he'll start coding a friendfeed client, and call it sailfffish14:07
Stskeepsthat one was already there14:07
Stskeeps:P14:07
Quuhja14:07
nadriel"kalatonjärvi"14:07
TemeVlake bodom would sound a good name for unstable version. Like Sid with Debian :)14:08
tango_how do you say "fishing friend" in finnish?14:08
StskeepsTemeV: from recollection, it was our first release candidate, pre-sales.14:09
TemeVtango: kalakaveri14:09
Quutango_: alcoholic14:09
nadrielhttp://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Ripulinj%C3%A4rvi14:09
TemeVStskeeps: ok :)14:09
tango_Quu: lol14:09
Quunadriel: i prefer "suolivesi"14:09
flanagstephg: use this to test if the viewport setting is working: http://beantin.se/post/49715174493/what-is-my-viewport-size-pixel-density14:09
TemeVthere is also suolijärvi14:10
flanagit says "The viewport size, as reported by your browser is: 650 × 1097" on my jolla after I changed it14:10
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nadrielTemeV, I've been to suolijärvi, nice place.14:11
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flanaghas anyone else changed the viewport on the jolla browser? I find it weird that the setting isn't showing on stephg's about:config14:12
flanagit works fine for me14:12
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mikmaso, whats the news with sailfish in android phones14:21
flanagno news as far as I know14:22
Quunothing new14:22
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BeholdMyGloryHi, I've been trying to figure out the QML files relating to the virtual keyboard (/usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/), but I can't figure out the following: Is it possible to prevent the default InputHandler from being switched out for an Xt9InputHandler? Alternatively, can you associate a custom layout with a custom InputHandler, much like zh_cn_pinyin is associated with Xt9CpInputHandler?14:42
BeholdMyGloryI simply can't understand what code is actually switching out the input handler. I thought it might be something in libjollakeyboardplugin.so or libjollaxt9plugin.so, but when running 'strings' neither seems to yield any references to Xt9InputHandler14:43
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AL13NBeholdMyGlory: perhaps you could ask in devel@lists.sailfishos.org i think more develop-y people are there15:02
BeholdMyGloryAh, right, that's a good idea, thanks15:02
vatteany idea about random shutdowns? Started happening a couple of days ago, just now it shutdown when I was out, and it couldn't turn back on (shutdown immediately after jolla logo) until I connected it to charger15:05
vattethis + being affected by sim card disconnecting makes me afraid I have a maanantaikappale15:05
AL13N?15:06
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mikmavatte: apparently people are having that issue, according to forums. some people have got it fixed with factory reset + updating to 1.0.2.515:06
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vatteAL13N: maanantaikappale?15:06
mikmavatte: and the sim card disconnecting is also covered15:06
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QuuStskeeps: vatte seems to have similar problems15:07
vattemikma: ok, I guess I need to do that then. Do you know if factory reset will erase contacts?15:07
mikmavatte: most likely will do so15:08
AL13Nvatte: https://together.jolla.com/question/3569/unexpected-reboot/15:08
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vattethanks, very helpful. If it fixes sim card problems as well, I'll be a happy camper15:08
Turskii've having unexpected shutdowns too15:09
vatteproblems might have something to do with hax also, although I only have play store and toh-service...15:09
mikmavatte: that's propably another thing. you most likely need to carve the sim card and duct tape it :D15:09
Turskivatte: do you use mitakuuluu?15:10
vattemikma: typical15:10
vatteTurski: nope15:10
Turskiok, it's not that then15:10
mikmavatte: i'm looking for the thread, moment15:10
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Turskimy phone once shut down when i was starting mitakuuluu in a basement where there was no signal... so i was just wondering if it was some bug triggered by whatsapp in bad signal area...15:11
AL13Nvatte: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/15:11
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mikmavatte: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1403813&postcount=6615:14
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stephgflanag: back now15:15
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Quuvatte: random shutdowns got nothing to do with simcard btw15:16
flanagstephg: use this to test if the viewport setting is working: http://beantin.se/post/49715174493/what-is-my-viewport-size-pixel-density15:16
stephgyeah just done that15:16
flanagah ok15:16
Stskeepssec, i just got in the door15:16
stephg650x109715:16
vattethanks for the help guys, I guess I'll try to fix the random shutdowns with the factory reset15:16
flanagso it's working correctly, great15:17
stephgcool15:17
Stskeepsvatte: mail your /var/log/systemboot.log to me at carsten.munk@jolla.com15:17
stephgstill absolutely no idea why it's not in about:config if yours is15:17
vatteStskeeps: ok, will do!15:17
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stephgflanag: actually it's there now15:17
stephgI'd have thought any gecko browser should display all the variables even if they're default?15:18
flanagif it doesn't display all values (that are default) I might actually try some values that I can't find through the browser in about:config15:19
mikmavatte: have a look at the whole thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92243&page=7  the sim card disconnecting is covered quite well in there15:20
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mikmavatte: and the duct tape solutions ;I15:20
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AL13Npeople most often place a bit of paper above the gold triangle to let the triangle be the same height as the sim itself15:22
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AL13NStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/ <-- perhaps some kind of official answer could be useful, it seems some people are awaiting answer15:23
AL13NStskeeps: if people do ship it back, perhaps a little extra solder on the skewed side of the gold triangle could do the trick15:23
AL13Nor bending it a bit as someone suggested15:24
stephgAL13N do you know if people have this issue in regular usage or only when pressing on the TOC?15:24
AL13Nafair, it seems that it happens mostly with SIM's who have rounded edges15:25
AL13Nor sometimes if the sim is a bit slimmer15:25
AL13Nthe gold triangle goes above when a little pressure is applied15:25
stephgwell there is variance in SIM size I'm sure, but do they notice it all the time or only when 'squeezing'. I asked this on TJC but noone answered15:25
stephgi.e the sim reader and assembly may be within tolerance and all that's needed are stiffer TOHs15:26
AL13Nif the gold triangle would bend below the last mm, it might work15:26
StskeepsAL13N: it's being looked into, but people want a concrete information15:26
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AL13NStskeeps: yes, i can imagine15:26
StskeepsAL13N: and that can first be done when it's assessed what's going on15:26
AL13Njust letting you know in case you didn't15:26
Stskeepsi read together.* like the devil reads the bible15:27
AL13Nseems people keep "answering" and thus it goes away from the unanswered pile15:27
Stskeepsplus, it's weekend..15:27
Stskeeps:P15:27
QuuStskeeps: so, none at all? :D15:27
AL13NStskeeps: np15:27
AL13NQuu: the devil needs to know the little print15:27
vattemikma: it always comes down to duct tape, doesn't it!15:27
Stskeepsand a long weekend, too15:28
vatteon a positive note: I'm getting annoyed with my ipad because it doesn't turn on with a double tap15:28
Stskeepsbecause of finn need for vitamin D, many people go away for holiday :P15:28
AL13Nbut this seems a bad tolerance on the card holder manufacturer15:28
QuuStskeeps wants the D15:28
vatteStskeeps: sent you the log file15:29
AL13Nthe gold triangle is a bit too high, though it would be better if that gold triangle would be thicker (just 0.5 mm would probably do the trick)15:29
Stskeepsvatte: yes, thanks15:29
fk_lxStskeeps: what if someone for holiday goes to Lapland?15:29
AL13Nwhen i get my jolla, i'll go study the problem15:29
Stskeepsfk_lx: never happened15:29
Stskeeps:P15:29
fk_lx:-P15:29
AL13N:-)15:29
Stskeepsvatte: thanks - are you having reboots or shutdowns in your perspective?15:29
Stskeepsie "power loss" and you have to press button again15:29
vatteshutdowns, and cold-hearted ones15:30
vatteso power loss, yes15:30
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Stskeepsokay15:30
vatteI'm going to try charging it to full before reset, I'm thinking this didn't really happen when toh-service was on, but more now that the battery lasts three days15:31
Stskeepsvatte: what battery levels did you have and what were you doing at the time of the shutdown?15:32
vatteit has been really frequent yesterday and today, battery level was 80 yesterday morning and around 50 when I brought Jolla to charger. But it doesn't seem to happen when connected to the charger15:33
vattehappened here and there, at least while browsing web, playing android games15:34
AL13Nvatte: is your phone hacked and used as a bitcoint miner? :-)15:34
Stskeepsvatte: okay, so while in while15:34
vatteAL13N: i did the standard "rm -rf /" to start the bitcoin miner of course! wouldn't even really call it a hack15:35
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AL13N:-)15:35
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Stskeepsvatte: when was it manufacturered? 11 or 12 of 2013?15:37
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QuuStskeeps: iirc mine is 1115:37
vatteStskeeps: 11,201315:38
stephgstupid question: where's the date of manufacture?15:39
Stskeepsunder battery15:39
vatteI happened to have the box right in front of me :)15:39
stephgah15:39
stephgsafe to take the battery  out whilst on charger?15:39
Stskeepsno15:40
Turskistephg: seems to shutdown after a while...15:40
stephgokies, I turn it off then :)15:40
fk_lxlet's everyone puts on Twitter his battery production date :-P15:40
AL13Noh plz15:40
AL13Nfk_lx: btw: it's phone manufacture not battery manufacture15:41
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AL13Nanyway, since i don't have my jolla yet, it's safe to say it'll likely not be 11,201315:41
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pdanekAL13N: no Jolla yet? :O15:44
Pnuu17:29 < fk_lx> Stskeeps: what if someone for holiday goes to Lapland?15:46
PnuuI've been in Ivalo on holiday since Dec 15th :-)15:46
fk_lxStskeeps: ^15:46
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AL13Npdanek: should be around mid-jan15:47
Morpog_how embarassing, finally I got some days free and I get a cold :(15:47
AL13Ntogether has some odd caching issues, btw15:47
fk_lxMorpog_: :-(15:47
mikmavatte: yeah. that's why we call it jesustape :)15:48
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zbenjaminMorpog_: welcome 2 the club. I was sick almost my entire vacation15:58
zbenjaminsucks15:59
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Morpog_yeah :(16:01
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Morpog_https://together.jolla.com/question/10687/video-settings-in-camera-app/16:03
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AL13NMorpog_ you should tag it16:26
Morpog_oh true, forgot it16:27
AL13Nanyone think security and openness is important? plz vote these: https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description#10564 & https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model#995116:29
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vatteany way to recalibrate battery?16:35
vatteI've been charging for over an hour, and the % is going down :D16:35
Pnuutanghus: ping16:35
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vatteprobably this has something to do with the random shutdowns - voltage drops16:35
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AbjectioIs there a possible way to crypt the sd card? (truecrypt?)16:39
Abjectio(encrypt the sd card)16:39
stephgAbjectio probably several ways16:40
stephgjust need to check luks et al are in mer16:40
Abjectioonly through cmd line - not in the gui?16:41
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Morpog_hmmm, QML drives me crazy :) Can't get it to work like I want :(16:46
Morpog_http://abload.de/img/201401051743527sabm.png16:46
Morpog_thats not the landscape mode I wanted :D16:46
fk_lxheeh :-)16:46
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valdur55Morpog_: how did you do that?16:52
Morpog_edited BrowserPage.qml16:52
valdur55ok, only webbrowser :d16:52
Morpog_well, guess you can do that on any app16:53
valdur55Maybe you should do  lew layout for landscape :)16:53
Morpog_well, it should extend to it auto, dunno why it doesn't16:54
valdur55watch feed app's qml...16:54
Morpog_QML is not really my strength :D16:54
valdur55don't remember the name...16:54
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valdur55it have landscape mode :)16:55
Turskibtw, where are the browser bookmarks stored?16:55
stephgTurski probably in some json file in .mozilla/mozembed?16:56
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valdur55aww. found interesting  file:  /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/N950.conf ... ,  can anyone share real jolla device  /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/ content?16:59
Turskistephg: can't find...17:00
Raimvaldur55: does not exist17:01
stephgTurski was worth a guess17:01
valdur55ok. no /usr/share/meegotouch folder :)  nice17:01
valdur55or  but what /usr/share/*/targets say ?17:02
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Raimvaldur55: No such file or directory17:04
valdur55Morpog_: /usr/share/harbour-tidings/qml there are newsreader app qml file17:05
Morpog_yeah, I have looked through it, nothing to find for me :(17:05
valdur55where is webbrowser file ? :D17:06
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Turskistephg: ah, found it17:08
Turskistephg: it's ~/.local/share/org.sailfishos/sailfish-browser/bookmarks.json17:09
stephgah fair enough17:10
Abjectiostatus on my uptime : 4 days 2h. - 45% batt.left. - this after disabling nfc. ^^ geeee...17:10
Morpog_valdur55,  /usr/share/sailfish-browser/pages/17:11
mikmaabjectio: not bad at all, quite good actually17:11
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Abjectiomikma: yeah - compared to my iOS device. yes. Not on "heavy" usage... will try that later... but yes. Tells me that this (SailfishOS/GNU/Linux) is the future for mobile devices.17:12
Abjectiostrength is in the community - the openness/transparancy.17:13
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valdur55Morpog_: ok. thanks... no can do...17:14
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Morpog_ah screw it, I wait for feature update :D17:16
valdur55yea. it is one way for fixing soution :D17:16
valdur55irw!  fix problem...17:17
valdur55is qt5/qml/Qt/labs/components/native/Window.qml in use?17:17
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mikmai'd love to see how ubuntu compares to sailfish when its ready to release17:18
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flanagany idea how I could change the homepage from jolla.com to my own? about:config doesn't have the usual firefox options for that, the jolla.com is "forced" somehow17:19
mikmaflanag: use optional browser for that feature17:19
flanagmikma: you mean another browser?17:20
Sarviis there a way to copy my contacts into a .vcf-file or a sim-card? i've been thinking about resetting the device, but i need to copy my contacts first, as a few of the numbers are new and are only stored on my phone atm. can i use the backup feature for that?17:20
mikmaflanag: yeah. install opera or dolphin17:20
stephgSarvi yeah the backup seems sensible17:21
stephgI'd check that it's generating sane things before then doing the reset17:21
flanagmikma: I have naked browser installed but the touch input in android apps is just too laggy for me17:21
stephgand/or backing up the home directory with rsync if you have developer tools installed...17:21
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flanagbtw, is anyone else annoyed that the touch input is so laggy in android apps?17:22
artemmaflanag: I find Instagram to overscroll quite a lot often (too late touch input me thinks). Annoying, but I think it's more about general slowness than specifically abt touch17:23
flanagartemma: when using a multitouch tester app, you can see that the touch input lags behind a lot and then the lagginess (general slowness) of scrolling is another problem17:24
mikmawell, i guess the VM ain't perfect17:26
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flanagyeah, it's a shame17:27
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flanagwould be nice to know if it's something that can be fixed/improved or something that we just have to deal with17:27
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pdanek1Who wanted the N900? I forgot the nickname.18:10
* pahartik has "MFG Date: 12,2013" printed on cardboard box18:13
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valdur55pahartik: :) interesting...18:40
valdur55pahartik: oops. wrong.18:40
valdur55pdanek: interesting...18:40
pdanekvaldur55: what's interesting?18:40
valdur55n900 giveaway :18:47
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pdanekvaldur55: its display is broken18:52
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ZogG_laptoppdanek: i was first19:00
ZogG_laptop:(19:00
pdanekcool19:00
pdanekwhat was the country?19:00
ZogG_laptopit can be luxenburg or19:00
ZogG_laptopisrael19:00
pdanekok let me check19:00
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ZogG_laptopcheck how much is post19:01
ZogG_laptopi'll pay back :)19:01
pdanekseems there is no difference19:02
pdanekbetween postage fee19:02
pdanekLux and Isreal19:02
pdanek56 zloty for economic or 70 zloty priority19:02
pdanekand +1 zloty if I declare price19:03
pdanekso for economic19:03
pdaneklet's say 15 eur19:04
pdanekand bank transfer costs the same, so it will be really expensive for you to pay back19:05
pdanekI mean international bank transfer19:05
pdanekdoesn't it?19:05
ZogG_laptoppdanek: paypal?19:08
ZogG_laptop20 euro let's say19:09
pdaneklet me go to shop and then we will figure out19:09
pdanekbecause I recently deleted my paypal account19:09
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pdanekbut I'm going to recreate it anyway, probably19:09
ZogG_laptop:P19:12
ZogG_laptopfaenil: ping19:12
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faenilZogG_laptop, o/19:17
faeniljust back home19:18
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: me too19:22
ZogG_laptopfaenil: i rethouhgt and i think you partly right adn sorry if i got you19:22
faenilZogG_laptop, np, glad you can see the difference now19:23
faenilZogG_laptop, and I agree that it's not ideal, at the moment19:23
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zbenjaminis there a way trigger a contacts sync?19:30
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stephgoh man I love my jolla :)19:37
Stskeepsoh?19:37
stephgjust functional ssh for scp even though it's next door and not plugged in19:38
stephgit's the little things19:38
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stephg^ that's positive btw, not being sarcastic! it's great :)19:38
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kelvanstephg: with reverse ssh it's even cooler ;) sms activated reverse ssh connection would be a nice "app"20:05
stephgkelvan a reverse port forwarded tunnel you mean?20:06
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kelvanstephg: maybe, no idea what the correct name is (ssh -R)20:08
stephgas opposed to -L?20:08
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stephgthen yeah we're talking about the same thing :)20:08
Stskeepssplitville on freenode tonight20:08
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stephgso it seems20:09
* stephg thought it was xchat being crap but apparently not!20:09
* DrainBamaged is a fellow xchatter20:10
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stephgsplitville: n. town. population: some of us20:10
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ZogG_laptoptanghus: you got russian translation20:13
ZogG_laptopi would update it after i'll try it on devie ce (would take a lot of time)20:13
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ZogG_laptophaha20:25
ZogG_laptopwhy would u use xchat20:25
ZogG_laptopit's deprecated and unmainained20:25
ZogG_laptopthere is fork20:25
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ZogG_laptophttp://hexchat.github.io/20:25
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DrainBamagedZogG_lap1op - It suits me, we're both depreciated and unmaintained. Perfect :)20:34
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ZogG_lap1opDrainBamaged: ce nickname :P20:38
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DrainBamagedce?20:38
DrainBamagedahem, ce? (before mass join)20:38
ZogG_lap1opce?20:38
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ZogG_lap1opoh20:38
ZogG_lap1opnice20:38
DrainBamagedYou said 'ce nickname'20:38
ZogG_lap1opnice*20:38
DrainBamagedOoh, thank you20:39
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ZogG_lap1ops/ce/nice/20:39
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DrainBamagedGotcha20:39
ZogG_lap1opand i found out about hexchat from gentoo news as they delete ebuild it and suggested to switch to hex20:39
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DrainBamagedThat looks good, I've downloaded it. Will look into, I couldn't hack another client, did my brains in20:40
DrainBamagedAs it's an XChat base (and I'm awkward in my tastes), it looks promising20:41
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Quuirssi master race20:41
DrainBamagedYur, that's a whole new level I'm not ready for20:41
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petantikweechat!21:09
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tanghusZogG_lap1op: Great! Thanks a bunch :)21:15
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cvphello21:20
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Quugief beer21:21
cvpbeer@c-base21:21
stephgwell what are folks using as irc clients these days21:22
Pnuutanghus: do you need to do something before I can translate?21:22
flanaghexchat21:22
Pnuustephg: irssi <321:22
stephgbeyond that21:22
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stephgPnuu ideally in a qui toolkit of one sort or another ;)21:22
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Quuirssi is the only proper irc client21:23
Pnuuaffirmative21:23
attahpnuu: if the language is there and you have set up your profile to indicate that you know the language.. you *should* just be able to start working21:23
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mikma_stephg: ssh + irssi21:25
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Pnuuattah: oh, I need that21:25
attahPnuu: that's all i recall doing anyway.. this was the first time i used transifex21:26
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attahso i'm by no means an expert21:26
Stskeepshow's the finnish translation on the device in general, ooi?21:26
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suystephg: quassel FTW :)21:27
suyAnd recently I discovered communi... which has a sailfish version :P21:28
stephgsuy now we're talking ;)21:29
Pnuu"To translate you need to be logged in and a member of the Finnish (Finland) team"21:30
Pnuufsck it :-P21:30
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Pnuu-> sleep21:31
ln-Stskeeps: the finnish translation is well made.21:31
attahoh.. okay.. that might be because you didn't request it.. so in that case tanghus must do something21:31
tanghusPnuu, attah: sry, missed the convo.21:33
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cvpevery day i get i message that a Update is aviable, but if i go in, there say its actuelly installed :D ... is it normal ? :D21:34
Quucvp: yes21:34
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Quui got the message 2 times today21:34
tanghusPnuu: I think you just request the language, then I'll get a notif and approve21:34
cvpkk ;) hav thinking, that i do some wrong with the update last month21:34
vattecvp: I don't have the same problem21:35
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cvphmmm21:36
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valdur55ssu set relase XXX  maybe helps...21:37
vatteStskeeps: I'm almost definitely sure that my shutdown problem has to do with wrong battery level indication. So the phone tries to be on even with low battery (thinking there is 50%+), but then it sometimes experiences a voltage drop and turns off. With a real full charge the problem seems to disappear.21:38
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Quuvatte: that sounds pretty much what some people said week ago21:39
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AL13Nvatte: do you have 1.0.2.5?21:39
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mikma_oh wow. people are having odd problems with jolla according to together.jolla.com21:39
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mikma_TOH: "Problem with store. This The Other half is not working."21:40
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Stskeepsmikma_: URL?21:40
vatteAL13N: yep21:40
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AL13Nmikma_: i don't get it, the store fails due to TOH failing?21:40
mikma_stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/10857/toh-problem-with-store-this-the-other-half-is-not-working/21:40
vatteQuu: ok, thankfully it's a smaller problem than I expected21:41
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mikma_al13n: apparently yeah21:41
onurativatte: let just hope that it is not HW error21:41
onuratican you reproduce the voltage drop case?21:41
Quuvatte: Stskeeps'n'peoples are looking into it ;)21:41
valdur55ssu re 1.0.1.1221:41
SpeedEvilonurati: voltage drop should not be possible with a fresh battery.21:42
SpeedEvilonurati: fresh = 1 month old.21:42
Stskeepsvatte: ughhh21:42
valdur55just a exmple..21:42
AL13Nmikma_: maybe they fiddled with the NFC tag? it _is_ open, perhaps it doesn't ahve the uid anymore?21:43
vatteonurati: well now it's fully charged. I'll see if it starts happening again around wednesday if I don't charge it until then21:43
Stskeepsvatte: *#*#310#*#* and there's some battery related tests/measurements21:43
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AL13Nnow this is a weird issue: https://together.jolla.com/question/10846/zombie-icon-of-android-app-on-lock-screen/21:46
cvpis it possible to read the NFS.Tags from TOH and change sone think?21:46
stephgcvp believe so, yes21:47
AL13Nsome people were doing stuff with it21:47
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vatteStskeeps: cool, I'll look if the voltage levels are abnormal when/if the problem reappears21:48
Quuwould be neat to have the voltages logged into somewhere21:49
onuratias far as i see, it shows the current level, not the voltage21:49
onuratiah ok now i see21:49
onuratiQuu: exactly. however if a sudden voltage drop causes a reset, i am afraid it will not be logged21:51
Quumaybe21:51
Quuprobably21:51
Stskeepscan somebody make up a logging tool with /sys/class/power_supply/battery data?21:51
Quubut you would see the levels before and after :)21:52
Quuthat might hint something21:52
stephgStskeeps: does mer have sysklogd/rsyslog etc?21:52
stephgeven if it didn't it's a quick thing to knock up shirley21:53
stephg(and obvs the trick is in the analysis)21:53
ln-ok wtf... i'm watching Netflix, listening to it through N9 headphones. the sound is distorted somehow, some frequencies filtered out because i hear music but hardly any speech. if i press down the earphone button, i start hearing the speech as well.21:55
stephgln-: try different headphones?21:55
onuratibtw, logging should be as easy as reading sysfs, e.g. cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_now21:56
stephgonurati yeah but how/where to put it21:56
AL13NStskeeps: actually, it would even be better if the logs were sent remotely, to rule out sync issues while it shuts down21:56
attahIn-: It's not the same pinout. .sound is passed through the mic for you there.. and it acts as a filter21:57
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AL13Nthough i'm afraid systemd journal, doesn't have remote syslogging support21:57
attahIn-: (mic is in series with the headphones to be clear)21:58
attahor is it ln-? lol21:58
ln-attah: alright, that explains a lot. still it doesn't explain why did the sound work fine even with those earphones at first.22:00
cvphow i get root over ssh? i connect with nemo + pw, want install zypper22:00
ln-stephg: with sennheiser the sound sounds good.22:00
attahcvp: devel-su?22:01
cvplol22:02
cvpattah thanks22:02
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attahcvp: np ^^22:02
onuratistephg: the best log would be a "reason for last shutdown/reset log", I guess. I don't know whether such is alredy available somewhere.22:02
onuratisuch info*22:03
Quuwow22:03
Quusuch info22:03
attahquu: i was googling to get that right just now!22:03
attahbut you beat me to it22:03
stephgwell onurati there's logging and there's logging ;)22:04
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mikma_so i know that you can change ambiance, but why does it only have volume setting and not ie. system volume +ha22:08
mikma_ptic feed22:08
Quumikma_: favorite it22:08
Quuif its default ones, you cant edit anything22:08
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mfulzdid someone try to use openvpn with connman?22:09
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mfulzthis script is used by connman to setup ip + routes but it seems to do nothing /usr/lib/connman/scripts/openvpn-script :(22:10
mikma_quu: i have two favored now22:10
valdur55DDD22:10
stephgmfulz saw your mail to devel22:11
mfulzdid you found something out?22:11
mfulzthe script is some binary and seems to just do nothing :/22:11
stephgit is a binary and there doesn't seem to be much in it no22:12
stephgit tries to do something and fails ;)22:12
mikma_quu: and only  volume setting available22:12
mfulzlooks so :)22:12
mfulzdo you know if plain connman is used?22:13
mfulzbecause then I'll try to send them a bug report22:13
stephgdon't know, sorry :(22:13
Quumikma_: ok, they are default ones then, create one and you have more settings22:13
stephgmfulz: that file is from the connman package22:13
stephgconnman-1.15+git23-1.9.1.src.rpm22:14
cvpgood night @ all :)22:14
mfulzok thanks22:14
stephgI'd guess that's in mer so the source should be available22:14
mfulzhm perhaps I should ask some mer guys first22:14
stephg^^ that RPM is the source but yeah22:14
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stephggnight cvp22:15
mfulzhm 1.15 there's already 1.2022:15
mikma_quu: ok. more options but none for haptic etc22:17
* pahartik did still not get any network traffic through "bnep0", even tried with IPv422:17
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onuratistephg: /var/log/faillog seems to store some info related to shutdown, etc.22:26
onuratie.g. mine reads 20140105_052635 Shutdown: Battery empty22:26
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Quumikma_: ok, that might be global setting then? dunno22:27
mikma_quu: unfortunately seems like it22:27
stephgonurati that's a curious place for power status to be22:28
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Quumikma_: maybe it changes with some update :)22:28
stephgonurati I wonder how it ended up there22:29
onuratiit would be interesting to see whether vatte has anything interesting in that file22:29
stephgdefinitely22:29
onuratistephg: no idea, but why wouldn't it make sense?22:30
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mikma_quu: we can hope so because that would be the ultimate power of ambiences22:30
Quuwhat file?22:30
stephgfaillog is part of the auth mechanisms/logging22:31
onuratiQuu: faillog22:31
Quuoh22:31
Quuhmm, leme check what i have there22:31
onuratistephg: true22:31
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Quuok, its empty22:32
stephgQuu fwiw I have nothing22:32
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Quumm'kay22:32
Quui do have random shutdowns and all that neat stuff22:33
Quupretty #unlike22:33
onuratihmm22:33
mikma_oooh nice. black image as theme :)22:35
zbenjaminhmm syncing my google contacts is one way right? So if i change some contact in googles webinterface i should get it on my phone?22:35
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onuratiQuu: Most shutdowns i know about from the past are RF related. So if I had random shutdowns, I'd have a look at the mobile network settings.22:43
onuratiuse 2G only, disable auto roaming, etc. just for debugging purposes22:44
Quuthats how i have had them from the start22:45
Quutried with WLAN on/off, GPS on/off22:45
Quuno change, randomly shuts down22:45
onuratihave you checked the battery contacts then?22:45
Quuyes22:45
stephgQuu and it's stationary when it shuts down?22:46
Quudepends22:46
stephgoh you've had both?22:46
Quuyes.22:46
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Quuatleast 2 have happened on the table22:49
Quutapped screen on, did something, ~5sec idle and it dies22:49
stephgwell at least it's not the nexus 4 bug that has it leaving the table on its own22:49
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Quutoday had call with whatever-speaker-on and it died22:49
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Quuand nothing saves on any log (i have searched trough)22:52
onuratithough case22:54
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onuratiif possible, i'd also leave the charger connected and see if it ever shuts down then22:54
sarkhQuu, I have had exactly similar issues than you, just went through irc logs of this channel and found this https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ Someone has solved this by leaving out the battery for 10 mins, just trying it by myself..22:54
stephgeven in a mobile device the power going means that the chance of something making it to storage is slim22:55
Quusarkh: no diffrence.22:55
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stephgif it were computer and had a wired connection you could try that way22:55
stephgbut you probably don't want to go futzing with the USB22:55
Quualso, if its battery/HW problem, factory reset wont do shit22:56
Quuif its SW thingie, factory reset might not do anything22:56
stephgyep22:57
stephgdo you know anyone else with a jolla nearby?22:57
stephg:)22:57
Quusadly, no22:57
Quupeoples said to look someone from same city to swap batteries22:57
stephgisn't a bad idea for diagnosis at least22:58
sarkhI have tried factory reset both trough GUI and USB/telnet, no difference there22:58
Quusarkh: ok, kinda knew that :)22:58
Quusome jolla-dudes said there were similar problems with prototypes and those were battery problems22:59
Quui dont know22:59
onuratijust hope so, would be the easiest thing to replace23:00
Quuindeed :)23:00
sarkhOne strange thing I have noticed when I have tried to debug this over wifi and USB, I couldn't never reproduce the shutdown when plugged into USB, so might be something power/battery related23:02
Quupeople are pretty sure it has something to do with battery23:03
Quusomeone even said phone requires more juice than what battery can give23:04
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stephgQuu I kinda doubt that last one23:05
stephganyway is bed time23:06
stephggnight folks23:06
Quuwell, maybe the battery gives wrong info about levels and that fucks thingies23:06
Quui have no idea23:06
stephgQuu that however is entirely possible23:06
stephganyway laters23:07
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valdur55what will happen when you run this command: /usr/bin/tonegend -b 100 -r 20 --volume-dtmf 1523:22
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sarkhFirst random shutdown reached now in 1h after keeping the battery out for 10 mins, so no difference there for me neither23:42
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Quui kinda told ye so :)23:59
Quubut yeah, it doesnt affect much23:59

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