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micko_again my jolla has a battery consumption problem even though tohd is stopped. I took it off the charger and after couple of minutes 98%06:25
micko_reboot fixed06:25
micko_might this be because I'm staying at a faraday cage? I heard there's metal net in the walls of this house06:27
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micko_looks like reboot didn't help after all this time. still going at 10% per hour06:49
PeterParkmicko_: if your reception is quite low your phone has to broadcast " stronger" resulting in larger power consumption06:52
PeterParkmicko_: are you connecting 2G 3G? how many bars in quality of connection?06:53
suosaaskibad reception = high power consumption06:53
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dunphttp://www.cnbeta.com/articles/267115.htm06:57
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stephgwakey wakey Stskeeps07:05
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AL13N:-( rainisto doesn't want security :-(07:10
AL13NStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/?answer=10928#post-id-1092807:11
AL13Ngtg07:11
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micko_now this is weird. battery went down to 90% on one hour, but now it's been 90% for anoter hour.07:41
Stskeepsyou have the shutdown or reboot issues too?07:41
micko_not that I know. what kind of isues are they? I had jolla on charger last night and when I disconnected it, the battery started discharging fast. tohd was still stopped07:44
Stskeepsok07:44
Stskeepslike uncontrolled shutdowns / no LED when shutting down, or randomly rebooting07:44
micko_it discharged.to 90% and now it seems normal07:44
micko_ah. I've had one uncontrolled shutdown07:45
juergbii've seen it go back up from 87% to 90% or so (without charger)07:45
Stskeepsi'm slowly starting to understand why devices only show bars and not percentages07:45
Stskeeps:P07:46
fk_lxmagic Jolla battery ;-)07:47
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Stskeepsmicko_: remember the scenario it happened in?07:48
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micko_I think I'll look into this when I'm back home. as I said, I'm staing at a faraday cage so everything might be because of that07:48
Stskeeps:nod:07:49
micko_Stskeeps: phone was on kitchen table for about an hour. when I checked it again, all the apps where closed07:49
Stskeepsokay, so a spontaneous reboot07:49
Stskeepsrecall if this was before 1.0.2.507:49
micko_yes07:49
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Pnuumicko_: does it get pretty hot?08:03
PnuuI was in bad reception a few days ago, and the phone got quite hot08:03
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AL13N_workif mobile data would be turned off, would it use less power?08:07
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AL13N_workanyone who thinks privacy & security is important, please let your voice be heard (vote be seen): https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/#post-id-1092808:43
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PlntAL13N_work: upvoted08:45
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AL13N_workPlnt: i'll also point you to rainisto's answer, where he suggests to not have any security at all08:46
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AL13N_worksince rainisto is afaik a jolla employee, we should show a strong opinion (IMHO)08:47
PlntAL13N_work: i actually added similar post to together for android apps :) .. https://together.jolla.com/question/982/display-and-edit-android-apk-rights-when-installing-from-transfers/08:47
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AL13N_work(though i'm pretty sure these are his personal views)08:47
AL13N_workupvoted as well :-)08:47
Plnt:))08:47
AL13N_workthough imho less important than native apps08:48
Plntyep, agree08:48
Plntbut it would be quite nice featore to differentiate from regular android phones i think08:48
Plntbecause so far the only one who offers that is cyanogenmod08:48
Plntand just for some rights08:48
Plnts/featore/feature/08:48
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AL13N_workmyeah08:49
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* pahartik inspects "/usr/lib/connman/test/" in attempt to find out why "bnep0" fails to pass traffic09:06
AL13N_workpahartik: it seems connman also has a problem with openvpn connections09:07
AL13N_workmaybe it's related09:07
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Yanielanyone had success with eap wlans?09:08
pahartikAL13N_work: Oh...09:09
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AL13N_workYaniel: manually, i think (with connman profiles or something)09:13
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Yanielis there any guide yet?09:14
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ggabrielmorning09:25
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teveYaniel: maybe this works: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399365&postcount=218609:29
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TofeYesterday, I tried pairing my Jolla with an iPhone 5, and it failed (iPhone didn't seem to acknowledge the pairing)... Is that a known issue ? Maybe not on Jolla side ?09:44
Tofeoops, I should have added bluetooth pairing09:44
sledgesworks with galaxy nexus fine09:44
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sledgesonly tested file transfer though, no explicit pairing involved09:45
ggabrieli tried pairing with an iphone 4 (ios 6), but was unable to do anything09:45
Tofeggabriel: for me it was ios 709:45
ggabrielnot sure what you want to do, but don't expect apple to be too open ;-)09:45
Tofeggabriel: I wanted to send a photo, i.e. the basic scenario09:45
ggabrielTofe: i'd say forget about it09:46
ggabrielnot jolla's fault though09:46
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Tofeggabriel: I can easily leave with that :)09:46
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ggabrielios 6 doesn't even allow me to send a photo via bluetooth09:46
pahartikTofe: I think "iOS" does not support "OBEX"...09:47
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TofeAh, stop stop, I'm already convinced :)09:48
YanielTofe: thanks for the link09:48
YanielI'll give it a try09:48
sledgesjust to check: have you made both phones visible to each other?09:48
ggabrielsledges: i did in my tests, maybe pahartik is correct and apple didn't include obex09:49
Tofesledges: yes09:49
Tofesledges: I even saw the verification number, clicked "OK" everywhere09:50
AL13N_workbut they don't speak the same protocols09:50
pahartikTofe: However, "MacOS X" supports "OBEX PUSH" and "OBEX FTP" just fine09:50
sledgesweird, with gnexus didn't ask for any numbers09:50
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sledgesprobably that's the diff ^^09:51
ggabrielthe numbers? nah, the jolla and the n9 ask for numbers (PIN)09:51
* Tofe sent a .csv file via scp from his n900 and pre3 yesterday... worked like a charm...09:51
ggabrieland it works just fine09:51
ggabrielpretty cool to see how the pictures differ from one screen to the next09:51
Yanielios does not expose any kind of file system to the user so (obviously) it won't do much with obex09:51
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* pahartik has noticed that "ip6tables" is missing from "Sailfish" for some reason09:56
ggabrieli think it was mentioned that ipv6 wasn't supported yet09:57
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pahartikggabriel: On this channel or somewhere else?09:58
ggabrielthis channel iirc, grep -i ipv6 tho, i can't remember when09:58
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AL13N_workhmm10:00
AL13N_workno ip6tables yet?10:00
AL13N_workbut there is the ip command10:00
AL13N_workanyone can do "ip -6 route show" ?10:00
AL13N_workmaybe ipv6 is not compiled in the kernel10:00
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pahartikggabriel: It works for me though10:01
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AL13N_workhttps://together.jolla.com/question/6049/ipv6-cannot-set-use_tempaddr/ ...10:01
AL13N_workif he has problems for this, i assume the other ipv6 stuff works10:01
pahartikggabriel: As in, my tunnel and subnet works over mobile network10:01
ggabrielpahartik: i may be completely wrong, i haven't even bothered with ipv6 yet10:02
AL13N_workpahartik: so, it works, but you can't firewall it?10:02
AL13N_workpretty dangerouis10:02
ggabrielso the stack is there but there's no firewall?10:02
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AL13N_workone could do filtering with tc if ip6tables isn't there10:02
AL13N_worknot so easy, but possible10:03
AL13N_workdoes tc exist?10:03
AL13N_workanyone check plz?10:03
AL13N_workwill need this for voip QoS10:03
teveyep10:03
AL13N_workok, thx10:03
pahartikggabriel: Actual problem for me is that "Bluetooth PAN" somehow fails to work...10:03
AL13N_workpahartik: what if you manually do it without connman10:04
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pahartikggabriel: Of course there is detail that "bridge-utils" is also missing from system, but I managed to get around that for years on "Nokia N900"10:05
ggabrielpahartik: i'm guessing that you are running an ipv6 lan :)10:07
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pahartikAL13N_work: Oh, I could connect with "pppd" and "chat" fairly easily if they can be installed... However, I have not dared to try so far, not sure if system starts fighting against if I disable "connman" and do such thing10:08
pahartikggabriel: I generally do IPv6 everything10:10
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iiskaShould I be able to call QLocale::system().name() to get user's language? On my phone it returns "C" instead of the selected "fi".10:11
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Stskeepsiiska: while ssh'ed in, or while on device10:11
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iiskaIn applications int main() function10:12
iiskaAnd on device10:12
pahartikAL13N_work: "tc -V" prints "tc utility, iproute2-ss121211"10:13
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iiskaI'm trying to determine user's language to be able to load correct *.qm file for QTranslator and thought that QLocale::system() could be the correct way10:16
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iiskaStskeeps: Actually, all seems to work ok if I launch the app from device's app menu. That "C" issue happens on when I run it in Sailfish IDE debugger using remote device target10:22
Stskeepsok, that's a bug10:22
Stskeepscould  you file that with 'sdk' and 'bug' tag on together.jolla.com ?10:22
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iiskaYep10:22
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iiskahttps://together.jolla.com/question/11041/bug-qlocalesystem-returns-incorrect-locale-while-run-in-debugger/10:27
Stskeepsthanks10:28
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vattewell this /var/log/faillog file onurati talked about yesterday. For me it's apparently "corrupted", 2.4 MB and text editors are weeping11:11
Nicd-vatte: it's binary11:12
Nicd-systemd logs are binary11:12
vatteuh oh11:12
vatte:D11:12
Nicd-use journalctl to read them, but don't ask me how11:12
Stskeepsvatte: /var/log/systemboot.log is probably more useful in that regard11:14
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vatteyeah. Probably logging the battery voltage will be a better way anyway, doubt there is any trace in log files from these cold shutdowns11:16
Stskeepsonly that we realized it wasn't a clean shutdown i guess11:17
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petantikjournalctl -b should show the log for current boot.11:20
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petrihow often does /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now get updated?11:21
petriwhat is its "sampling frequency"?11:22
petantikhow often it polls the value?11:22
petantikidk, might be polled on read.11:22
petrithat would be awesome if a sensor was polled on read11:23
petantikwell, depends on how the driver is configured.11:23
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petantiklooks like it tries to read the chip whenever you read current_now11:40
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ShadowJKIf the chip samples it on each read, it's a bit hard to use11:48
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SpeedEvilI suspect it's not that.12:12
SpeedEvilCharge meters - by their very nature are sampling all the time.12:12
SpeedEvil(in some manner or other, it may be integration)12:12
SpeedEvilTypically they report the average current over the last metered period - which may be every 5s, say.12:13
SpeedEvilSo, if you read it, you get the current in the prior period.12:13
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petriif I do for i in `seq 1 1000`; do echo $(($(date +%s%N)/1000000)) && cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now; done12:27
petriit seems that the loop is executed about once in 10 milliseconds12:28
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petriand that the current reading changes between the reads12:28
jmlichHi, can anyone help me with Jolla Harbour QA? My app was rejected because of not allowed dependency (qt5-qtdeclarative-import-positioning)12:28
jmlichDetailed description is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/15fd9QkRTNdE6c41U_4TGM4Mm4bj7kl4KOIOM8lLP4DI/edit?usp=sharing12:28
jmlichIt was initial commit of https://gitorious.org/foursail12:29
chem|stis there another workaround connman for wpaE? looking at wpa_cli I do not even get to the point of authentication, I guess because I need to set an anonymous identity and probably the cert fails...12:29
chem|sthow do I mark certs trustworthy in redhat?12:29
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the_mgtchem|st: trying eduroam?12:32
chem|stthe_mgt: yeah12:32
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chem|stmy company network and eduroam12:32
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fk_lxjmlich: well QtPositioning is not allowed12:32
chem|stI have EAP-TTLS-PAP12:33
fk_lxjmlich: see Harbour FAQ for list of allowed libs/modules12:33
jmlichfk_lx, okay, is there workaround?12:33
the_mgtchem|st: iirc, i did not have to mark the eduroam cert(s) as trustworthy12:33
fk_lxanother thing is that you have in your name dots12:33
the_mgtin gentoo, that was. I could try to recreate my config on jolla now, since i am on the campus12:33
fk_lxjmlich: the ugly thing is that I had the same problem and I had to ship a lib with my app, that actually can be installed via pkcon12:34
chem|stthe_mgt: how do I pass an anonymous string with connman?12:35
chem|stthe config does not allow it12:35
chem|stdo I need to setup another general item and make a wpa config ofr it?12:36
chem|stand if yes what is the proper way?12:36
the_mgti have no clue, on gentoo i used wpa_gui. but wpa_supplicant.conf on jolla looks like it is not the place to use12:36
chem|stexactly12:36
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the_mgti just wanted to copy&paste my netbook's config12:38
chem|ston my netbook I cranked a wpa_roam setup with 10+ entries, but this gui fsck always kills intuitivity12:38
chem|stand wtf are those ipv4 ipv6.jolla.com entries in connman main.conf12:41
ShadowJKpetri; yeah I noticed same thing.12:41
chem|stcalling home...12:41
ljponline check12:42
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ShadowJKJudging by the new store content, a "workaround" to disallowed libs seems to be "android" :)12:43
anYcHi, does someone know if the delivery still takes around 3-4 weeks?12:43
ljpchem|st: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/12:43
chem|stljp: not helping...12:45
chem|stljp: I need to set an anonymous identity and from the looks of it I get denied before even coming to wpa layer12:47
the_mgtchem|st: the anonymous identity is the "outer" identity or something, iirc12:47
the_mgtat least for eduroam12:48
chem|styes12:48
chem|sthow do I set it?12:48
chem|stconnman manual has no entry for it afaics12:48
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chem|stthe_mgt: ok I got through to wpa now but am missing the outer identity and it fails...12:55
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the_mgtdid you follow that link?12:56
HtheBNo I didn't12:56
HtheBdid I had to?12:56
HtheB:P12:56
the_mgtdunno, there is a howto that seems reasonable. I am currently hunting down the cert (again)12:57
HtheBi dont what u'r talkin about :P12:57
the_mgthttps://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/12:58
the_mgtas just posted by ljp12:58
the_mgtthere is a CACertFile=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt line and my university hides the certs deep down in the dfn12:58
HtheBah12:59
HtheBeduroam12:59
chem|stthe_mgt: I get the identity as error...13:00
chem|stwhat does our connman support as I found a diff from chromium with all kinds of things needed13:00
stephgoh dear the messaging app as gone funny :/13:01
stephgcan someone tell me what the pulley entry is in the all messages screen please13:03
chem|ststephg: New Msg13:03
stephgoh13:03
stephgta13:03
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* stephg goes hunting for the screenshot command13:04
stephgoh I can use lbt's13:04
TemeVI think I saw a screen shot app at the store13:05
stephgyeah13:05
lbtnew version coming as soon as QA approves it too :)13:06
fk_lxlbt: enough of this marketing :-P13:07
fk_lx(joking)13:07
lbthehe13:08
stephgha13:08
valdur55is it screenshoot or snapshot?13:08
lbtscreenshot ... in utils13:08
* lbt just offers good customer support :D13:08
fk_lxlbt: hehe, of course :-)13:10
stephgwhat do you all make of these:13:11
stephghttp://tinypic.com/r/24277mt/513:11
stephghttp://tinypic.com/r/21m8bdc/513:12
fk_lxnice effects13:12
fk_lx;-)13:12
stephghttp://tinypic.com/r/2gvu7ut/513:12
ggabrielstephg: looks cool13:12
stephgthat's default, with the pulley and with the vkb respectively13:12
ggabrielreminds me of that bug where the launcher and home suporpose13:12
stephgcurious thing is killing the app it comes back...13:12
fk_lxtrue multitasking ;-)13:12
lbtstephg: is that a bug ?13:13
lbtor are you hacking13:13
stephgthat's a bug13:13
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lbtw00t: ^^13:13
ggabrielstephg: is that your github auth code? :)13:13
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stephgbut for which account!13:13
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valdur55i wiped in calender between months and  Monthname and year lifted up...13:14
fk_lxlbt: maybe it's a bug in screenshot app ;-)13:14
fk_lxhehe13:14
lbtstephg: can you report it13:14
stephgfk_lx there really is a gremlin on the wing!13:14
stephglbt will do13:14
ggabrielstephg: just wanted to make sure you were aware in a jokingly manner ;)13:15
fk_lxstephg: :-)13:15
valdur55oh. i can run jolla-calender and try reproduce this issue..13:16
valdur55calendar :)13:16
lbtyep - good reproduction steps are really important for us13:16
valdur55are all installed apps openable with command?13:17
valdur55It is nice to see that :)  Meego Harmattan solution was crap...13:18
HtheByou could open all apps with command13:19
HtheBno, harmattan wasn't crap... you were just n00b13:19
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valdur55HtheB: really?  all apps was in /opt/appname folder and there was also bin folder...13:22
HtheBerrrr.... seriously... that shows you how n00b you are13:23
khertan_Ahoy13:23
the_mgtchem|st: following the config from the link above, my phone at least tries to establish the connection to eduroam13:23
the_mgtinstead of insta-failing13:23
the_mgtbut something is wrong, since it tries for about a minute now13:24
* khertan_ really like Qt5, now i can do real syntax highlighting in qml!13:24
khertan_YOUHOU13:25
* pahartik wonders if there is way to tell "connmand" to keep mobile network connected at all times13:25
khertan_maybe someone already ask, but look like with last sdk we can't anymore debug on device (with linux host and win host)13:26
the_mgtis there a log file so i can check why wifi is not established?13:26
valdur55HtheB: ok. that is your opinion. Thanks for expressing yourself. I agree, my way of asking about asking this archidectural issue was noobish :)13:28
valdur55No log about this issue...13:29
HtheB:P13:29
the_mgtchem|st: connected!13:31
the_mgtjust had a typo13:31
ljppahartik: turn off wlan13:31
stephgw00t going for lunch now but https://together.jolla.com/question/11124/bug-messages-rendering-broken-for-me/ I'll leave it in this broken state if you want me to do anything specific13:33
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khertan_stephg, funny13:34
stephgwell at least now it's sort of functional :)13:35
the_mgtljp: thanks for the link13:35
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pahartikljp: That was about first thing I did after launcing configuration application for first time...13:37
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TofeI have also experienced that sometimes, on the main screens, there is a 1cm zone at the zop that is lighter than the rest; but I couldn't find a reproduceable scenario so...13:37
pahartikljp: However, that does not prevent mobile network from disconnecting and apparently not trying again13:39
ggabrieli had a weird issue this morning with my data connectoin13:39
ggabrielit would say "problem connecting" when turning it on or off13:39
ggabrielin fact, it said that since yesterday, i just didn't notice13:39
ggabrieleventually, data would be off13:40
ggabrieland this happened when i "forced" the phone to go from data to wlan13:40
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ggabriellast time i did that the phone crashed, so maybe this is progress :)13:40
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Pnuuggabriel: I got that too13:40
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Pnuubut in my case it wasn't related to wlan/3G switching13:41
ggabrielPnuu: yeah, i bet it happens, but i'll have to wait until the next update to try to reproduce etc13:41
ggabrielPnuu: you mean phone crashing?13:41
Pnuuggabriel: just the message "problem connecting"13:42
pahartikljp: So I have to unlock screen and play with GUI to continue... Not sure how I could do it from shell with simple "while sleep 60 ; do <connect> ; done"13:42
ggabrieloh, ok13:42
Pnuuhmm13:42
Pnuubooting helped, and wlan worked when I enabled that13:43
ggabrielPnuu: yeah, went to terminal, sudo reboot and then all is normal13:43
ggabrielbut i know my ssid is hidden and that right now there are issues around that, so no point reporting anything13:43
edgarshi13:52
valdur55ok. played it with more... it is in Event Start/End selection view. ,,, Even calculator buttons can dragged littlebit to downside...13:52
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chem|stthe_mgt: how did you enter the outer_EPA13:53
chem|steap13:53
the_mgti didn't13:54
chem|stwell you probably do not need one... I do!13:54
the_mgtjust do as the link describes, even with the mentioned ca-bundle.crt (not .cert)13:54
the_mgtthat was my typo13:54
the_mgtalledgedly, we need anonymous@tu-bs.de for the outer tunnel13:54
the_mgtseems that we don't13:55
chem|sthmm...13:55
the_mgtor rather, connman/wpasupplicant is smart enough to figure that out by itself, per default value or whatever. I did exactly what is in the link, nothing more.13:55
khertan_https://together.jolla.com/question/5330/connecting-white-other-half-give-error/13:56
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chem|stthe_mgt: <3>CTRL-REQ-IDENTITY-0:Identity needed for SSID eduroam13:58
edgarsany ideas, will we se a shazam? :)14:00
Bysmyyrchem|st: tell me if you get it working?14:00
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Bysmyyrnow I have to log every day manually to backupnetwork(with browser login, and even password saving do not work)14:00
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the_mgtchem|st: where do you see that?14:02
ggabrieledgars: hi - you mean as a native application? best to ping shazam for that, although i'd expect they'll want to sell it, and harbour doesn't support that yet14:03
chem|stthe_mgt: wpa_cli14:05
chem|stBysmyyr: just killed connman...14:05
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foenikshi14:07
foeniksas I consider buyin a jolla phone I wanted to look for available native apps for jolla14:07
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foeniksbut I did not find a specific app store online to get a preview of available apps14:07
chem|stI really killed it... had to remove the battery to recover from failed reboot14:07
foeniksor is this yandex store also providing the jolla apps?14:08
Bysmyyryandex provide androids app. Most of then run fine14:08
Pnuufoeniks: no web-version of the jolla store :-/14:08
ggabrielfoeniks: the jolla store is only available through the phone right now. yandex is primarily for android applications, although apparently jolla has those too14:09
ggabrielfoeniks: if there is anything that you are looking for, i'm happy to help...14:09
foenikshmm, this is more about my general curiosity14:10
foeniksI wanted to see whether there is a nice email client available (since I read that there is no default client installed with Jolla initially)14:10
Pnuufoeniks: there's built in terminal and ssh, what else would one want?-)14:10
ggabrielfoeniks: bear in mind that the OS+phone are rather new, so don't expect much14:10
foeniksand whether the firefox browser is a native jolla app or the android app14:11
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ggabrielfoeniks: right, jolla doesn't pollute your phone by default, so almost nothing comes installed14:11
Pnuufoeniks: android14:11
ggabrielfoeniks: _but_ you can install the jolla essential pack which comes with an email client etc etc14:11
ggabrielfoeniks: firefox will be the android application, however, the jolla's browser is based on the same engine (and hopefully improving)14:12
HarhaanJohtajait asks what jolals own applications you want to isntall when you firtst use it14:12
HarhaanJohtajaand email is one14:12
foeniksokay14:12
foeniksI am currently running a samsung wave II (with its bada os) so I am kind of used to not having the biggest choice in apps which is fine most of the time14:13
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the_mgtchem|st: odd, wpa_cli looks fine here14:14
Bysmyyrthe_mgt: chem|st got working wpa enterprice?14:15
the_mgtno, his doesn't work, mine does14:16
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the_mgthm, can i somehow change the hostname permanently? localhost is inconvenient14:18
foeniksWould you say that sailfish apps are consuming less CPU time because they are written in QT/C++? I.e. is jolla a bit more responsive than a comparable android phone?14:18
Bysmyyrthe_mgt: some tutorial/manual or just man page?14:18
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the_mgtBysmyyr: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/14:19
the_mgtfoeniks: app starts can be "felt", because jolla does not cheat, like for example apple. apple will show a picture of the last app state so you are tricked into believing it already started while it actually didnt14:20
the_mgtbut we are talking about 1 sec or max 2 secs here. if the apps have started, they are very responsive14:21
onuratithe_mgt: this might help https://together.jolla.com/question/323/dhcp-client-seems-to-send-localhost-as-hostname/14:21
the_mgtonurati: thanks!14:22
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chem|stthe_mgt: write /etc/hostname14:25
foeniksthanks14:25
Bysmyyrthe_mgt: that was easy, thanks!14:27
HtheB:)14:30
the_mgtBysmyyr: yes, i wonder what all the additional info about anonymous@institute.org and certs is. seems even the people at my university do not see through all the options14:31
Bysmyyrthe_mgt: what university?14:31
BysmyyrI am in Aalto. Eduroam was pain 2years ago but now it is working fine14:32
* artemma still is amazed when people call Apple optimizations of user experience and feeling of smoothness "cheating". Next time people will say that keeping mouse/touch handler thread priority high is also cheating, because app feelss faster than it is14:33
artemmageek value system :)14:34
* artemma hopes Jolla will invent even better "cheats" to make system feel super fluid and fast14:34
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the_mgtartemma: well it is cheating. showing you some app image when the app is in a completely different state is moronic, imho14:35
Pnuuthe_mgt: or the app isn't yet in any state :-P14:35
the_mgtsome indicator showing that it actually does something when it takes longer than 100ms would be ok, though14:35
the_mgtBysmyyr: TU Braunschweig here14:36
artemmathe_mgt: it doesn't really matter, but just for being clear: Apple UI guidelines precisely tell that startup image should NOT look like the started app :)14:36
the_mgtartemma: I thought that was an OS feature, not one of the app14:36
Bysmyyrthe_mgt: I have also credentials to Twente university, but they do not even tell settings, give only some python script :(14:37
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artemmaaccording to guidelines startup (and usually in real apps) image should look as "not fully filled", app. To make it feel like it is starting, that's precisely the app state when this image is shown14:37
the_mgtartemma: anyway, I am fan of apps that are so optimized that they do not need "cheating"14:37
artemmathe_mgt: nope, this image is created by developer14:37
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the_mgtartemma: I do not recall precisely, but some apps start with an image of what i did before a reboot of the ipad. Like a song that was played or a video that was watched14:38
artemmathe_mgt: so showing to user a "starting" image to indicate that app is really starting is cheating somehow? :)14:38
the_mgtartemma: if the image is a "lie", it is cheating. see example with songs/videos above14:39
artemmayeah, iOS is making screenshots as well in some cases I think, but don't remember when exactly14:40
artemmawell, if player is going to continue playing song when started, it's good to me that I see what's gonna happen right soon. Some people might prefer more context switching though14:40
chem|startemma: trying to make people believe that something is fast but actually is slow as hell is cheating - just like telling people you invented VVoIP on smartphones, months after another phone was released with skype preinstalled and amsn videoconferencing...14:41
artemmachem|st: are you buying cars based on magazine reviews on technical capabilities, not on whether you like driving it?14:42
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artemmaWell, I like seeing ASAP that app is actually starting and what it will do right after start. Some people don't like such an advance notifications and prefer waiting for full app start for some reason. Sounds strange to me, but people are different14:44
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the_mgthm, just started some apps after a reboot. you see that they are doing something, the Cover tells you14:47
chem|startemma: both, if a company tries to fool me I wont buy from them ever14:48
artemmachem|st: I am making a flashlight app. Due to tech reasons, LED torch only starts light some 0.2-0.5 sec after you press a button. Would you like a button be highlighted/pressed right away (instant reactuion feels fast, you are sure you actually did press a button) or to wait until torch actually starts: feels as sluggish reaction to button press and you are not sure if you actually pressed, so you might tap again?14:51
ShadowJKinstant14:52
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ShadowJKor make a slider thing, that starts sliding towards on when you tap it, and takes .5 sec to reach the on position14:52
* artemma is trying to illustrate that there is a difference between lying and "notifying in advance". Sure such "notifying in advance" might need an educated guess that might fail sometimes14:53
artemmaShadowJK: starting time is not really predictable14:53
edgarsggabriel: i see :)14:54
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artemmaof course real great apps/OSes would go a step further and player example in the_mgt example would show a preview of a song to-be-played ASAP together with some sort of a loading spinner. But that's the next step. Sailfish covers with "Loading.." message are similar sort of "lying" actually14:57
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* pahartik thinks blank screen with name of application and title of document would be appropriate when starting up14:58
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HtheB>.<14:58
artemmaHow cruel from Windows and MacOS X to show an app icon in task manager when app is actually swapped to disk and not really running :)15:00
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TemeVartemma: related to that, I was quite amazed when I noticed that in windows 7 when you "peek" an application it is on real time view15:24
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TemeVby peek I mean movin a cursor above the image in taskbar so that it shows the window15:25
smokexyou mean like kde has done since 200415:26
smokexa bit off topic for this channel15:26
artemmaTemeV: smokex" I am not sure how exactly Win7 and KDE do it, but if I get it correctly app is serving real real-time images then while mobile platforms (iOS, Android, Sailfish) can't really afford it15:27
TemeVoops typo there. I mean't it is not on real time view15:28
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TemeVSo I can't peek to app and see if something has happened there15:30
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TemeVbut in Sailfish the covers show the real time view of app15:31
stephgAnyone else had a loop of 'Problem with connection' notifications that ultimately ended in death?15:31
stephg(death may have been my fault)15:31
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ggabrielstephg: define loop? the first time my phone crashed i saw problem with connecitons15:32
ggabrielbut i was purposefuly trying to connect to the hidden wlan :P15:32
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stephgwell after the messages thing earlier I then went to a pub (for lunch) which may have had wifi that I'd saved15:33
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stephgit wouldn't wake up easily (double tap or power button) but when it did was endlessly notifying "problem with connection"15:33
ggabrielstephg: ok, def not my case15:34
ggabrielsimilar, but no :)15:34
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stephg... even when I got it into flightmode15:35
stephgit eventually rebooted and is fine since though it looks like my saved wiress connections aren't now there15:35
stephg(and my messaging is now fine :)  )15:35
ggabrielstephg: i decided to wait for the next update before looking more closely to these issues15:36
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stephgwell is the first time it's happened for me15:37
AJAX555mm15:38
AJAX555I visited tallinn yesterday15:38
AJAX555and I am in finland now15:38
AJAX555I wonder why I still have estonian EMT15:39
vatteAJAX555: jolla must have amazing reception then ;)15:39
AJAX555yeah ;D15:39
AJAX555too amazing15:39
HtheB:( when is the next update coming?15:40
HtheBhaha15:40
* HtheB loves updates15:40
vatteAJAX555: do you have a finnish sim card?15:40
AJAX555vatte: yes15:40
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HtheBi hate it when the phone app directly calls soeone by pressing its name :/15:50
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HtheBhappens a lot that I accidently 'call' a number15:50
ggabrielHtheB: there should be a setting15:51
ggabrielios is the same, i'm well used to it15:51
ggabrielharmattan is a bit more careful15:51
HtheBi rather have harmattan style :/15:51
ggabrieli'm torn tbh15:52
ggabrieli managed to get used to it15:52
ggabrielmaybe suggest a toggle for that? it shouldn't be hard15:52
HtheBwhy should I get used to the shit? :p15:52
ggabrielHtheB: i didn't think of it that way15:52
thedead1440HtheB: hehe, i remember the number of posts on tmo when the n9 was released whining  on why there is a 2-stage procedure for making a call15:52
HtheBsometimes i want to sms someone15:53
ggabrielbut maybe you have a point if you want more information about the call15:53
HtheBbut i always end up calling :15:53
HtheB:(15:53
ggabrielthedead1440: why that doesn't surprise me :)15:53
thedead1440the samsung implementation is (unfortunately) the best, slide contact left to sms and right to call15:53
ggabrielHtheB: you can sms with long press15:54
StskeepsHtheB: there may be a setting coming for that but until it's published it's hard to say when..15:54
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thedead1440personally, a 1-stage procedure with long press is actually good enough15:54
ggabrieli like the long press15:54
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PnuuI send texts from the messaging app15:55
Pnuunot from phonebook15:55
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ggabrieli find it natural to want to send texts from people/dialer/messaging15:56
ggabrielbut i don't know why15:56
norlyi like the phonebook as a starting point because i can see all available communication channels for a contact in one place. phone, sms, email, ...15:58
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HtheBhttps://together.jolla.com/question/11186/toggle-to-disable-directly-calling-by-1-time-pressing-in-the-call-log-app/16:00
HtheBthedead1440, ggabriel16:00
HtheBoh, thaks for the answer Stskeeps !16:00
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parasemicanyone else have issues with cutespotify?16:04
parasemicmine started crashing today and reinstall wont help16:04
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TemeVparasemic: mine crashed once today16:07
TemeVbut I'm not sure if I accidentally closed it16:08
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parasemicwell, mine stopped working altogether16:12
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vattedo updates from play store work for others?16:20
krigStskeeps: do you know if once libaudioresource is exposed, will using QSoundEffect be OK? It's wonky now, doesn't handle volume...16:21
chem|stBysmyyr: got ot working16:21
chem|stguess I managed to get it hung up somewhere...16:21
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chem|stno need for "outer" identity at all but having the right credentials helps...16:22
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chem|stand some way in between I got it to crash and not do anything16:22
fk_lxkrig: that's a more like question to thp, he is in libaudioresource16:22
BysmyyrI just copied that template with my own credentials... nothing special16:23
krigthp: ^^ :)16:23
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chem|stBysmyyr: I just recognized that my institute is no more mapped to eduroam so I tried the wrong credentials... although I am curious why identity-0 is missing errors come up when I do not even get a proper outer connection16:25
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Stskeepskrig: i don't really know about the harbour policies, but yeah, thp'd be the authority on libaudioresource16:26
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Nicd-vatte: worked mostly fine, except one app disappeared from the app grid16:26
krigStskeeps: alright, thanks16:26
Nicd-vatte: it's still accessible from the google play app though16:26
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vatteI just realized I can't download new apps either, stuck on "Waiting for network". I guess it might be G's problem as well16:26
Nicd-vatte: wlan?16:27
vatteNicd-: yeah16:27
Nicd-does that on mine too16:27
Nicd-works on 3G16:27
Nicd-but I had to turn off WLAN and reboot to get it to accept 3G16:27
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vatteNicd-: thanks! I just had to turn wlan off and it worked straight away16:28
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parasemicwlan seems to be terribal on Jolla, i turned it off totally and my life got a hell of a lot better16:39
parasemicterribad*16:39
ln-"terribad" is not a word either16:42
parasemicnot in the dictionary maybe16:43
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parasemicbut on the internet it is16:43
Pnuuintternjet16:44
parasemicanyone know if the issues are HW or SW related?16:44
PnuuI've had no wlan issues so far16:44
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* stephg same as Pnuu16:44
Nicd-I've had some, where it disconnects every now and then16:44
PeperJohnnyI had some today. It wouldn't connect to an AP which was 2m away :<16:45
Nicd-currently it's on 3G even though I have WLAN on16:45
PeperJohnnyAfter a reboot it was ok, but then after some time it failed me again16:45
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stephgNicd-, I think that's a slightly different thing16:50
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thpkrig: you can use libaudioresource directly or the upcoming libaudioresource-qt, which just wraps libaudioresource in a qt-ish manner (signals, slots, properties and stuff)16:53
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krigthp: right, it's a bit tricky now though since it's not included in the sdk or emulator (as far as I can tell)16:54
krigthp: libaudioresource-qt sounds perfect though, I guess I can just wait for that16:54
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thpkrig: https://github.com/nemomobile/libaudioresource-qt/, i've just integrated w00t's feedback today, so the api should be stable now with soversion 216:55
krigthp: but given that libaudioresource is used, using QSoundEffect to play sound is alright?16:55
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krigthp: awesome, thanks!16:55
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thpkrig: should be, yeah, QSoundEffect is in QtMultimedia, right?16:56
krigyep16:56
krigit works apart from always playing at full volume16:56
thpyeah, then it should be no problem. you can even use libpulse(-simple) directly or QAudioOutput16:56
thpabout the volume i'm not sure, would have to check that16:56
thpi know that outputting using libpulse-simple, the audio stream has the normal system volume16:57
krigthp: ok, I'll look at using that instead for now16:57
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krigthp: one more thing: in libaudioresource, i'd classify as 'game' or 'media' -- should any non-game low-latency use (like, say, a metronome) classify as game there?16:58
thpor QAudioOutput, which might be a bit nicer16:58
thplow-latency stuff is handled in the audio library16:58
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krigalright, so the classification is not for that16:58
thpkrig: in the case of libpulse-simple (again, because i've used it.. ;) you can pass the correct parameters to the pa_simple_new() function.. http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/simple.html16:59
thpkrig: http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/structpa__buffer__attr.html16:59
thpkrig: there was also a discussion about this on the PA mailing list some moons ago: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-May/003769.html17:01
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thpapparently the low latency thing is automatically added if using PA 0.9.16 or newer (cf https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519991)17:03
Merbotbugzilla.redhat.com bug 519991 in pulseaudio "RFE: set PA_STREAM_ADJUST_LATENCY flag in PA Simple API" [Medium,Closed: wontfix]17:03
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ZogG_lap1opsup17:14
HtheBtrying to convert people17:14
HtheBto jolla/sailfish17:14
stephgword ZogG_lap1op17:15
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krigthp: great, thanks17:19
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ZogG_lap1op?17:25
ZogG_lap1opstephg left and i didn't get what he want17:26
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Quumicrosoft word17:30
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ZogG_lap1opi hate office17:37
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* RST38h moos17:40
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HtheB...18:45
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tehdely:018:50
tehdelywhoops18:50
tehdelythought this was vim18:50
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valdur55:wq!  ... what is longest vim command?19:02
Tofevaldur55: not that one, for sure19:02
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ZogG_lap1opStskeeps: ping19:11
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StskeepsZogG_lap1op: pong19:26
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hahlois there same kind of flasher for jolla than maemo has?19:42
Dima^_Hello guys :)19:42
Dima^_Does anyone gets annoyed by calls -list, when touched accidentally any number, phone calls immediately to this number19:43
Dima^_happens to me all the time19:43
Stskeepsyes, there's potentially a setting on the way, let's see what update it makes it into19:44
Dima^_good19:44
Dima^_it's good to chose Call or Sms19:44
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igheaDima^_: you definitely are not the only one :)19:45
fk_lxDima^_: context menu, or something similar with icons sliding would be a good solution19:46
fk_lxthat way potential unplanned calls could be solved19:46
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Dima^_the same as in n9 was good solution19:46
Dima^_but sliding is also good19:47
Morpog_PCStskeeps, that strange antialising can be seen easily on icons on launcher screen19:49
Morpog_PCrefering to your answer here: https://together.jolla.com/question/11164/screen-rendering-weird-pixel-interpolation/19:49
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Morpog_PCyou can easily spot it in the screenshot I added in my own bug report: https://together.jolla.com/question/307/enhance-launcher-appearance/19:50
Stskeepsok, thanks19:50
Morpog_PCmove launcher a bit up/down and the icons look ok, moove more, icons look bad again, and so on19:50
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Morpog_PCDevelopers already start to make their icons 1 or 2 pixels smaller, so they don't get affected by that antialising bug19:52
HtheBI just ordered a Pebble Steel19:55
Stskeepsw00t: do we have any idea what might cause something like that?19:56
HtheBElleo: Pebble Steel w00t!19:56
* w00t reads up19:57
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w00tmmm19:58
w00tI think I'll have to look with non-sleepy eyes19:58
w00tbut not off the top of my head19:58
Stskeepsok19:59
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ElleoHtheB: :)20:01
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HtheBI just ordered one20:01
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khertan_Evening20:13
Stskeepsevening khertan_20:13
khertan_i got nasty bugs, when my apps start i got my listview populated but also ViewPlaceholder enabled: notesModel.count == 020:14
khertan_probably a updating model while drawing20:15
* fk_lx spots that Morpog_PC has both screenshot apps on his Jolla20:15
khertan_but if i switch to launch then come back to apps problem disapear20:16
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Morpog_PClol fk_lx :D20:16
khertan_any idea ? https://github.com/khertan/ownNotes/blob/master/Sailfish/ownNotes/qml/pages/MainPage.qml20:16
fk_lxMorpog_PC: danke!20:16
fk_lx;-)20:16
Morpog_PCchoice matters20:16
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fk_lxbtw. in next update there will be better icon than the current one: https://github.com/fk-lx/SailshotMe/blob/master/harbour-sailshotme.png20:17
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RzRHacky New Years ! so what up20:23
RzRkhertan_, so do you run sfos on j1 or the other one :)20:24
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khertan_RzR, it took me 5 minutes to understand your SMS :)20:26
khertan_RzR, both20:26
RzRSMS?20:27
khertan_sfos on jl20:27
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RzRj1 = jolla120:27
khertan_RzR, you think there will be a second ?20:28
khertan_20:28
khertan_;)20:28
RzRthe one with the keyboard of hell :)20:28
khertan_RzR, lol20:28
RzRthe one optimized for python coders20:28
khertan_RzR, already optimized for python coder20:28
khertan_that s harbour which isn't20:29
khertan_:p20:29
khertan_i'ven't try yet a bt keyboard20:29
Tegu_I have and it didn't work. a quick search on together.jolla.com gave similar results20:30
RzRkhertan_,  do u still code while on transportation ?20:30
RzRbtw do u plan to go to fosdem ? 75% chances I'll be there20:31
* Stskeeps is going to fsodem20:31
RzRgreat20:31
* fk_lx is going to fosdem20:32
* AL13N is going to fosdem20:32
AL13Ni'll be in the mageia booth20:33
AL13Nis there a jolla booth someplace?20:33
Stskeepsno, we saw the booth thing too late20:33
Stskeepswe had one last year20:33
AL13Nreally, i hadn't seen it20:33
AL13Ndamnit20:33
AL13NStskeeps: if you know another group sometimes they allow you to share boots20:33
AL13N*booths20:34
Stskeepsyeah.. but we're just going as ourselves20:34
AL13Nk20:34
RzRStskeeps,  I remember you all had n9ies under the table :)20:34
Stskeepswell, i might have a talk, but nothing confirmed yet20:34
fk_lxto be honest last year's Jolla booth was not interesting at all, if there wouldn't be cybette and iekku there I wouldn't bother even visitng that booth20:34
khertan_RzR, yep always in the train and sometimes at home when wife and daughter sleep20:34
AL13Nwell, since you're going, stop by the Mageia booth and see me :-)20:34
Stskeepsindeed20:34
Stskeepswe had an sdk and that was it, and stickers20:34
Stskeeps:P20:34
khertan_RzR, nope no fosdem for me20:34
Stskeepsand then there was a guy who was looking very very sick sitting across from it20:35
Stskeeps<-20:35
RzRI have still have those wip logo stickers on lappy20:35
fk_lxAL13N: I'll stop at Magei booth for sure20:35
Stskeeps:P20:35
fk_lxAL13N: just let us know how you look20:35
fk_lxAL13N: hope that not like on your Together avatar20:35
fk_lx;-)20:35
RzRbtw it would be good to have a meegoers meeting again20:35
AL13Ntypical fat goatie black T-shirt geek, you can't miss20:35
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AL13Nfk_lx: :-)20:35
fk_lxRzR: and Sailfishers20:35
RzRhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=fosdem20:36
RzRfk_lx, indeed20:36
* khertan_ would like to have time for such meeting20:36
Stskeepswhich reminds me, i should steal a bunch of stickers..20:36
RzRand devices :)20:36
fk_lxlet's bring some vodka for that meeting ;-)20:36
AL13Nfk_lx: that reminds me, you might find me because i'd have a jolla phone :-)20:37
RzRfk_lx, you're from poland too ?20:37
mkpaadoes someone know status of Android bluetooth support in Jolla? When/if it is coming.20:37
fk_lxRzR: yes I'm from Poland, and I'm even coming at the same flight as Stskeeps :-P20:37
RzRhe's the pilot of the mer plane20:38
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fk_lxwell I hope that Stskeeps won't pilot the plane, otherwise I would go on foot to Brussels ;-)20:38
AL13Nwould it be a good idea to have a together post on FOSDEM?20:39
RzRmer plane is dommed to sink in the sea and haunt the northern seas20:39
AL13Nand people comment would be the ones going20:39
Stskeepsmake sense20:39
RzRAL13N, let me that20:39
AL13Nk, you have the honors20:39
RzRsince I posted that one http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=fosdem20:39
fk_lxAL13N: good idea for fast karma raise for you ;-)20:39
RzRI'll update both20:40
AL13Nfk_lx: karma is not that important20:40
AL13Nespecially once you get past 50020:40
RzRonly if you believe in live after death20:40
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AL13Nexactly20:40
fk_lxAL13N: of course, karma is just for kids ;-)20:40
AL13Nhey, as i always say; you die only once20:40
AL13NRzR: link us?20:41
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AL13NRzR: perhaps mention something about a meeting up?20:41
RzRyes doing this now20:42
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khertan_in the way to download owncloud 6, i just see a tweet on the first page about my ownNotes apps for Sailfish ... huhu20:46
Pnuukhertan_: we just installed ownCloud to our server, I've been testing the ubuntu client briefly20:48
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RzRhttps://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/20:50
AL13Nfrom together "here's to hoping next update fixes all"... errr yeah right20:50
Pnuuwhee20:50
RzRkhertan_, could oc6 run on small devices ?20:50
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AL13NRzR: commented20:52
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khertan_RzR, php...  so no ...but that's running on raspberrypi20:52
AL13NRzR: i was certain that you'd posted something before, do you have multiple identities or something?20:52
khertan_Pnuu, ownNotes is a note taking apps with ownNotes sync20:52
Pnuukhertan_: oh, I just read the owncloud part :-D20:54
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fk_lxrzr: added a date20:54
khertan_Pnuu, :)20:55
khertan_Pnuu, there is still some bugs20:56
khertan_release 1.5.0 in progress20:56
khertan_only one nasty bug to fix20:56
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attahwhich is? :)20:57
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Pnuukhertan_: if you're working on it, pls add CLI interface+installation for client :-)20:58
Pnuuthere's pyOwnCloud, but that's only for <= 0.91.020:59
khertan_that's not an ownCloud client21:00
khertan_it s a note taking apps21:00
khertan_with a ownCloud sync21:00
khertan_for notes only21:00
Pnuu(I'm a bit knurd, I guess..)21:00
khertan_Pnuu, http://khertan.net/ownNotes21:00
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mfulzanyone here from jolla team?21:08
Stskeepsmfulz: we're here as part of the community21:09
mfulzgreat :)21:09
Stskeepsie we can't make official statements or the likes21:09
RzRkhertan_, had owncloud running on my nas .. but it broke when I tried to upgrade21:09
Stskeepsbut we can probably answer some bits21:09
mfulzhow can I file a bug report for connman?21:09
RzRand I had less ram than on rpi21:09
mfulzI've send an email to devel list but there is no real reply to it21:09
RzRmfulz, is it an upstream bug ?21:09
Stskeepsmfulz: best way is to make a together.* item with tags: 'bug' and 'connectivity'21:10
khertan_RzR, last release require php5.3 or 5.4 didn't remember21:10
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khertan_which i didn't have on my old nas too21:10
khertan_RzR, which one is it ?21:10
mfulzand send it to the list again?21:10
RzRkhertan_, buffalo lsproduo21:11
Stskeepsmfulz: nah, it'll get picked up21:11
Stskeepsthe list thing was a workaround initially21:11
RzRkhertan_, have debian running on it21:11
Stskeepsuntil we got together.* up21:11
khertan_(my new NAS is a home made one a raspberrypi ;) )21:11
mfulzRzR: I don't know know21:11
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RzRkhertan_, is rpi reliable ?21:11
RzRkhertan_, what uptime do you achieve21:11
mfulz<Stskeeps> mfulz: nah, it'll get picked up - what do you mean?21:11
Stskeepsmfulz: as in, we'll notice it when it has those tags and take it forward :)21:12
RzRkhertan_,but I have a recent board perfect for an home server21:12
khertan_RzR, uptime... 2days21:12
khertan_i setup 2days ago21:12
RzRkhertan_, mine is over 10021:12
khertan_:)21:12
RzRkhertan_, a rpi for xmass21:12
mfulzah ok - it's not in till now I'll resend it with the tags21:12
khertan_so for the moment i can't say if it reliable or not21:13
RzRkhertan_, and a jolla dev ... how nice were you in 2013 :)21:13
khertan_my other pi isn't at all reliable but that s due to the way i use it with my cyclone fpga21:14
RzRfk_lx, 201421:14
khertan_RzR, hihi but that the small gift21:14
fk_lxRzR; haha21:14
khertan_i bought something with many zero ... a new home21:14
* fk_lx is still with thoughts in 201321:15
mfulzok sent it :)21:15
mfulzhope there will be some progress - I need my VPN :D21:15
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jjanvierhi there21:17
jjanvierI don't why but I have lost my ambiences on my jolla :(21:18
jjanvieranybody had this pb ?21:18
Stskeepsdid you remove tutorial app?21:18
jjanvierStskeeps: yes !21:18
Stskeepswell there you have it21:18
jjanvierok...21:18
Stskeeps:P21:18
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jjanviersby already a site where we see and share ambiences ?21:19
jjanvierwhere we could*21:19
mfulzah together :D21:19
mfulzok21:19
jjanviercould be cool, no ?21:20
artemmathere are apps for sharing/voting for wallpapers, one for ambiances would be good too.21:20
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* artemma is thinking about automatic ambiance sharing, but integration with web is a bit beyond me21:20
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jjanvierartemma: do you a kinl of this wallpaper app ?21:21
jjanviera link*21:21
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artemmauhm.. one I was fascinated about was for BB10, don't quite remember name :/21:21
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artemmait might have counterparts in iOS/Android, but I've seen it on BB10 only21:22
jjanvierok21:22
artemmathough now that I am thinking about, it was more about voting for flickr results, ratehr than about sharing own pics21:22
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mfulzStskeeps: thanks21:24
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jjanvierweird... my debian does not recognize the phone as a usb stick21:54
Stskeepswe use MTP21:54
jjanviersomebody has this pb too ?21:54
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jjanvierso it should work21:55
jjanvierno ?21:55
Stskeepsno, we don't export usb mass storage, connect with MTP21:55
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tillor with sftp21:57
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jjanvierhmmm... do you know a good app to browse mtp devices on kde ? dolphin can do it ?22:04
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MorphyMy Jolla keeps shutting itself down unexpectedly from time to time, has anyone else experienced that problem or is it hardware related?22:09
StskeepsMorphy: mail me /var/log/systemboot.log at carsten.munk@jolla.com22:09
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pdanekIt seems tere is no way how to delete added Yandex account in GUI, even if I uninstall / install, this setting is preserved.22:09
vatteMorphy: for me it seemed to be related to a false battery level, with a fully charged phone (overnight on charger) the problem seems to have disappeared22:10
MorphyStskeeps: I'll do that, vatte: it usually happens when the battery is showing ~50%, and when I turn it on again it runs fine until the battery dies22:12
MorphyI mean until the battery is close to 022:12
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winfriedd@jjanvier: I heard there is an experimental kio slave for MTP, have not tried it myself22:14
winfrieddWhy don't you use the WLAN connection, in that case you don't even have to connect the USB cable.22:15
jjanvierwinfriedd: I installed kio-mtp (available on testing), but it does not seems to work22:15
vatteafter I disabled the tohd.service to prolong battery life the phone was lasting unusually long (after 1.5 days it still showed 80%), but then it also started to die frequently. After a charge during which the battery level went up and down everything seems back to normal (battery went down from 100% to 55% since this morning and no unexpected shutdowns)22:15
winfrieddUse dolphin22:15
winfrieddwith fish kip slave:22:15
winfrieddfish://nemo@<ip_of_jolla>22:16
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winfrieddAlso see this question at together: https://together.jolla.com/question/282/usb-file-transfer-support-for-mac-os-x/22:17
winfrieddIt has some stuff for linux as well22:17
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jjanvierwinfriedd: <3 thanks \o/22:20
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Morphyvatte: Based on the systemboot.log it seems that I'm having the same issue that you had. However, the shutdown that I recently experienced wasn't a result of the battery being empty, according to the log22:20
jjanvierwinfriedd: I did not know the fish protocol for dolphin22:21
vatteMorphy: my shutdowns did not appear in the log, as the device seemed to lose power abruptly. Basically the same effect as removing battery22:24
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macmaNhm, why would chanlog web ui show joins and leaves...?22:32
macmaNwrong window22:32
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winfriedd@janvier , fish protocol already exists since long time, but many people don't know about it22:50
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winfrieddI started with KDE 2, as far as I remember it already existed back then.22:51
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* pahartik assumes that service ID returned by "/usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman services" for cellular network connection is based on IMEI and/or IMSI, at least service ID of "Bluetooth PAN" is based on combination of source and target BDADDR22:52
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artemmaI was using Android apps on blackberry without much problem and confusion. IMHO Jolla users dislike of Android apps is mostly not because they hate Android, but because Android apps don't work well enough. Don't integrate well, are slow(ish) and eat too much memory: running Browser and Instagram simultaneously is not always possible23:19
artemmajust sharing23:19
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* pahartik will try starting 'while sleep 30 ; do ( /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman state | grep --quiet "System is online" ) || /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman autoconnect cellular_[...]_context1 1 ; done' next time mobile network connection disappears by itself23:26
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SpeedEvilI would not quite phrase it as dislike.23:33
SpeedEvilBut some actual positive indication in the store indeed would be nice for the resource and UI reasons.23:33
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