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joonahoiSpeedEvil: there is an positive indication already for native apps - the icon00:53
SpeedEvilOh.00:53
joonahoifor native apps they have this sailfish / harbour icon template00:53
* SpeedEvil is not 100% awake.00:53
joonahoiand for 'droid apps it's just the basic rectangular icon00:53
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joonahoifew droid apps seem to have this square icon themselves though, it's a bit misleading00:56
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entilhehe, had an interesting bug in the sms importer due to the ide deployment running the app from a different cwd than the actual phone :D07:13
entilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1404432#post140443207:13
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AL13Nwho did all that voteforme tag thing? that just sounds stupid08:15
AL13Nericcc: is there anything useful with that tag, or should we just remove it?08:16
Stskeepsthat's not eric from together08:16
Stskeeps:P08:16
AL13Noh08:16
AL13Noops08:16
AL13NStskeeps: what do you think then,08:16
* Stskeeps points to eleroux 08:16
AL13N?08:16
Stskeepsi didn't wake up08:16
AL13Nnp08:16
AL13Ni'll just follow my gut and remove all those08:17
Stskeepscheck history perhaps08:17
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AL13NStskeeps: retagging isn't detailed08:18
AL13Ni can't tell who added the tag08:18
AL13Nthough looks like lbt did this08:18
AL13NStskeeps: you know lbt,08:18
AL13N?08:18
* Stskeeps points to lbt08:18
elerouxStskeeps, AL13N: afaik, lbt created the tag :)08:19
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fk_lxAL13N: https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/41617469151499468808:19
AL13Neleroux: does it have any use? it does sound weird08:19
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fk_lxshit, because of Jolla I couldn't answer a call08:21
fk_lxJolla the phone, not company08:21
AL13Neleroux: since you're the most active togetherer, i'd defer to your judgement08:21
fk_lxjust got screen with only background and there was no answer in pulley menu08:21
elerouxAL13N: imho, it was initially created to encourage ppl to vote though as it hasn't been used extensively we could remove it as long as lbt agrees?08:22
elerouxlbt: ^^08:22
fk_lxin fact adding that tag caused lbt to receives minus votes ;-)08:24
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AL13Nfk_lx: how do you figure that?08:27
fk_lxAL13N: figure what?08:28
AL13Nhow does adding a tag receive you minus votes?08:28
pp_voteformewithnegativevotes?08:29
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fk_lxAL13N: well this tag didn't directly add minus votes, it only resulted in people adding minus votes to lbt's answer or question, whatevere that was08:30
AL13Noh, like that08:30
AL13Nhttps://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/ <-- not alot of people coming, it seems08:32
fk_lxAL13N: maybe they are hiding ;-)08:33
fk_lxw00t, Stskeeps: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4gi8n1routit35n/ln53uo3U0k08:33
fk_lxw00t, Stskeeps: this is call screen08:33
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Stskeepsfk_lx: i'm going to presume this is 1.0.2.508:34
fk_lxStskeeps: yep08:34
Stskeepsfk_lx: can you do a dump of journalctl -n 3000 and mail it to me?08:34
Stskeepscarsten.munk at jolla.com08:34
ko_does anyone's google account unlink itself every now and then?08:35
atlazYeup08:35
ko_i keep getting a message that it requires authentication08:35
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atlazand then links itself back - by itself08:35
kormine doesn't08:35
kor:<08:35
Quuneeds WLAN for me08:36
Quufor automatic and manual reconnect.08:36
fk_lxStskeeps: in a moment, hmmm shader compilation failed, ups :-)08:38
Stskeepshmm :)08:38
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CoderCandyHmm, why do I keep getting notified that there's an update 1.2.5? When it's already installed?08:53
tbrknown bug08:53
Plnt_AL13N: probably just not many people noticed. i overlooked the thread on together, too. now upvoted and looking forward to see some jolla folks on fosdem :)08:53
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ggabrielmorning09:15
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AL13NPlnt: since people answered rather than commented, it's pretty much invisible for most folks09:30
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chem|stthe bugger just closed all open apps - shortly after showing connection issues and then telling I have a system upgrade available09:33
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chem|stCoderCandy: the same... did something crash before it showed up?09:41
CoderCandyWell, I had some problems upgrading in the first place09:41
CoderCandySo I had to reinstall the store in order to uptade09:41
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kelvanhttps://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/09:46
kelvanups sry09:46
kelvanwrong window09:46
kelvanI'll be there :)09:47
tachikom1moin09:47
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yanooanyone knows when we can expect a new system update? AFAIR Jolla was planning to made updates quite often09:50
Stskeepswe released last one on 27th or how was it?09:50
Stskeepswhich is two weeks ago09:51
* tachikom1 wrote his first qml app over christmas :)09:51
kelvanStskeeps: oh update2 is so old? got the notification last week :)09:51
kelvanrelease soon, release often ;)09:52
fk_lx27th of January for the next one ? :-P09:52
kelvanfk_lx: every two weeks would be nice :D09:52
tachikom1mh, is there a changelog on the latest one?09:52
fk_lxkelvan: :-)09:52
atlaztachikom1: somewhere on together09:53
Plntjust don't release it 1-2 days before fosdem so there won't be lot of people with bricked or factory reseted phones :D09:53
kelvanStskeeps: is there something like a (evnmore-)betatest opt-in? testing new stuff earlier, but with low risk of blowing-up the system09:53
fk_lxtachikom1: on together, on sailfish-devel mailing list etc.09:53
ggabrielyup, last update was about 27th, then at least a week of ppl on holidays, not sure what an update now would do09:53
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Stskeepskelvan: not yet. there's a couple of challenges in that09:54
Pnuutachikom1: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/09:55
kelvanimo 2 updates around the christmas time is quite alot09:55
tachikom1fk_lx: thx09:55
tachikom1i did not yet know together and google search did not show it09:55
fk_lxkelvan: some very annoying bugs had to be fixed fast09:55
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fk_lxkelvan: let's hope TOH bug will be fixed in next update ;-)09:55
Stskeeps+109:55
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ggabrielkelvan: the first update around xmas was almost a single bug09:56
tachikom1and i really started liking the ui after getting used to it09:56
ggabrielso, there was one "real" update09:56
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Stskeepsnot true09:56
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Stskeepssales release (1.0.0.5), update1 (1.0.1.10), update 1 + a hotfix for store (1.0.1.12) + update 2 (1.0.2.5)09:57
ggabrielStskeeps: for me update1 wasn't around xmas09:57
kelvanfk_lx: of course, the toh thing should be fixed or worked-around soon, maybe it would be better deactivating tohd with an update until it's fixed.09:57
ggabrielupate1: 9 dec09:58
entilthe one around xmas had camera for android09:58
ggabrielupdate2: 27 dec09:58
entilnot sure if that was the single bug though09:58
ggabrieland the hotfix was what? a week or week-ish close to update2?09:58
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fk_lxkelvan: I don't think deactivating it in an update is likely to happen - it's important advertised feature, I'd rather expect it to be fixed or not fixed in next update but not activated09:58
entilanyone know when the next update is due?09:59
Stskeepswhen it's ready :)09:59
entilthat's what I'm asking ;P09:59
entilso it's a no ;P09:59
ggabrielfk_lx: agree re toh, fixed or active09:59
entilwhich is fine09:59
ggabriel(it's too easy to deactivate anyway)09:59
entilI don't bother. I can recharge daily09:59
entilkeep the battery on its toes09:59
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kelvanggabriel: it's easy for us, but not for normal users10:00
kelvanI had to recharge twice a day before deactivating tohd10:01
ggabrielkelvan: yeah, i know, normal users can charge daily like entil. that's what you do with pretty much any other phone these days10:01
ggabrielyou must be a power user kelvan :)10:01
kelvannot realy :P10:01
fk_lxthe thing I'm thinking about is I wonder how to make a privliged app10:01
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pp_powersave mode would still be nice :-)10:02
kelvanbtw there was a review in heise today: http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Das-Jollaphone-im-Test-2074985.html (de)10:02
fk_lxso I could create an app for users that could possibly have privliged rights and make things like for example disabling TOH10:02
pp_if battery < 10%, killall android :-)10:02
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tachikom1i have weird battery experience wit the device10:03
fk_lxStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/8251/kdesu-like-running-apps-as-root/10:03
tachikom1sometimes it seems to last about double the time than other times, while idling10:03
fk_lxkelvan: I even quite understood the beginning of it despite my lack of German language knowledge ;-)10:07
ggabrielmy battery life is 2x the n9, easily10:07
ggabrielbut without android and switching off tohd.service10:07
lbtAL13N: pong10:07
ggabrielit shouln't be hard to create a couple of icons to switch android on/off10:07
ggabrielin case you want to use it sparingly10:07
kelvanfk_lx: the say the interface is sometimes inconsisdent, and battery time is bad, because they haven't tested tohd fix yet10:08
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kelvanwill there be a fix for android sound problem soon? </impatient>10:10
lbtAL13N: eleroux fk_lx : reasoning behind voteforme ... https://together.jolla.com/question/427/break-down-your-ideasfeature-requests/#post-id-496 ... I think the idea has merit but also happy that it's synonymous with "feature request" (although it was supposed to be a generic "I want opinion on this matter" to support community initiatives too - not just not "jolla please do this")10:10
fk_lxlbt: ah and I thought that tag "voteforme" meant  you want to take part as candidate in elections for UK prime minister :-P10:12
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lbtthat too ... I am a paid up member of a political party now \o/10:13
fk_lxkelvan: simple fix is to restart apkd.service10:13
fk_lxlbt: oh really?10:13
lbtyes - I actually joined TPP10:13
kelvanfk_lx: yeah, but it reappears from time to time, that's a bit annoying10:13
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fk_lxlbt: pirate party ?10:14
lbtyep10:14
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fk_lxlbt: congratz! sailor-pirate :-)10:14
lbtarrr10:14
tachikom1lbt: welcome to the club ;)10:14
lbt:)10:14
lbtso ... voteforme ... would appreciate some constructive debate there ... right now tjc is a bit of a mess IMNSHO ...10:15
fk_lxkelvan: yeah it's indeed annoying, but it's better than no Android apps on Jolla :-)10:15
fk_lxlbt: it's is, but not that big mess ;-)10:16
lbtI followed up on the ml too10:16
kelvanfk_lx: d'accord10:16
lbtno - but the feature-request stuff drowns out the support stuff massively10:16
fk_lxlbt: I agree10:17
lbtanyhow ... gotta go do stuff but just FYI and consideration10:17
ggabrieli agree tjc is a bit of a mess right now, but i'll give it a bit of time10:17
ggabrielsupport stuff will dry off10:17
ggabrieland we'll end up with more ideas/discussions10:17
ggabriel(hopefully)10:17
lbtggabriel: did you read that link ?10:17
ggabriellbt: no :)10:17
ggabrielbut let's read it10:17
lbt*g*10:17
ggabriellbt: well, that's an old one10:18
ggabrielso i read it ages ago10:18
lbtOK  np10:18
ggabrieland i agree in general10:18
ggabrieli was commenting on "it's a mess"10:18
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ggabrielwhich is true10:18
ggabrielbut i think it's invaluable to jolla right now10:18
ggabrieli'm patient, i'm happy to give tjc at 3-6 months before changing it10:19
fk_lxmaybe some clear separation between support and ideas stuff btw. why those questions cannot be colored up in the search view? ;-)10:19
ggabrielnow, lbt, -2?! wtf?!10:19
ggabrieli'll give you a vote10:19
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lbtfk_lx: exactly - and actually we can (I think) do that stuff quite easily with tags10:20
ggabrielfk_lx: my point was: the support ones will go away. but also: can askbot do that?10:20
ggabriellbt: agree 110% re tags10:20
ggabrielskunkworks is all about long term ideas for instance10:21
Pnuuif I see a tag "voteforme", I really don't know what that should mean10:22
fk_lxlbt: I think the voteforme tag is in use, but it's named idea or feature-request10:22
fk_lx;-)10:23
Pnuualso, those are much more descriptive IMHO10:23
lbtfk_lx: agreed - but see my comment above as to why I think that's suboptimal. Crowdsourcing rarely leads to a good design :/10:23
fk_lxlbt: but wasn't the Together intetion also to be a vault of ideas, for Jolla to pick up interesting ones?10:24
lbtno10:24
fk_lxlbt: instead of only support10:24
lbtit was to foster community contributions and collaborations10:25
lbt"lets do this" not "do this for me"10:25
lbtfeaturerequest is (I think) more "do this for me"10:25
fk_lxlbt: I agree, but it still useful feedback what is wanted10:25
Pnuuin the text box, it says "search, ask or submit idea"10:26
lbt+110:26
lbtI agree that there is always the possibility of a community app solving a request - but now such things are unfindable10:26
Pnuuthe "submit idea" suggest "I'd want this to be implemented"10:26
ggabrielok, my email client has just lost sync with the server (imap). can i delete the ~/.qmf as i used to in harmattan?10:26
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lbtanyhow ... I really gotta go :)10:26
fk_lxlbt: enjoy the work ;-)10:26
lbtI do :D10:26
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kelvanwill be there a toh-hardware specification (i2c docs, 3D-print file) in the next month? want to hack some 6lowpan stuff together with merlin199110:33
fk_lxkelvan: might want to join #Sailfish channel, that's the place where such stuff was intended to happen10:34
fk_lxkelvan: pioneering ;-)10:34
kelvanfk_lx: thanks, I'll join :)10:34
ggabrielthere's some stuff in TMO re toh specs too10:35
ggabrielsomebody already managed to put a small OLED screen and feed info to it10:35
ggabrielbut that means reverse engineering, not following any official spec10:35
kelvanggabriel: thx, do you have a link?10:36
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ggabrielkelvan: let me find them10:36
Pnuuoh yeah, I needed to order the solar cells10:36
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ggabrielkelvan: physical keyboard: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9153510:37
ggabrielkelvan: oled display: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9223910:37
ggabrielfirst thread may be quite long10:37
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ggabrieloh, and there's an app to monitor the i2c bus too, linked somewhere in there10:38
tachikom1Pnuu: do you know if are there any pv cells around with higher performance than what was available about 10 years ago?10:38
kelvanggabriel: cool stuff, merci :)10:38
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Pnuutachikom1: no idea, just browsing ebay for cheap ones :-D10:38
tachikom1ah, ok10:39
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tachikom1i was reading about multijunction cells that should be much better in all light conditions but no idea if that is anywhere close to a product yet10:39
tachikom1just thought the ones i used some years ago would not be very usefull to charge anything10:40
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ggabrieldoes tjc send you emails?10:44
ggabrielah, what do you know, it does10:45
ggabrielbut with a header error, so i never get them :)10:45
PnuuI turned it off10:45
ggabrielwell, my sendmail is rejecting them10:46
Pnuuthe plain-text version didn't have a link to relevant comment/answer/question10:46
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fsf-freeJolla Mobile ?10:54
Pnuuyep10:55
Kiranos_kelvan: can you translate " http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Das-Jollaphone-im-Test-2074985.html (de)" to english, or summarize? :)10:56
entilooh! someone ran my app! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9226810:57
tachikom1ah, wanted to read that, mnearly forgot, hthx10:57
fsf-freeIs there an mobile with working jolla ?10:58
kelvanfsf-free: yes, jolla ;)10:58
tachikom1mh, the phone was crowdfunded says the heise articel - is that really true?10:58
kelvantachikom1: don't think so10:59
ggabrieltachikom1: not exactly, they did get a good idea of how many people wanted it with preorders though10:59
ggabrieland i remmeber somebody calling that crowdfunding10:59
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tachikom1ok, thats how i understodd it11:00
ln-they got some money through preorders too, so it's not entirely wrong to say it was crowdfunded11:00
kelvanKiranos_: I can try, in short, they say hardware is lower middleclass ...11:00
ggabrielln-: hence my "not exactly", but i'm not familiar with the definition of "crowdfunding", i don't think there is one though11:00
kelvanln-: they used crowdfunding but don't crowdfunded the entire project11:01
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kelvanKiranos_: the find some gestures unintuitive, but all in all it's ok if you get used to it11:02
tachikom1Kiranos_: they are positive about android support11:02
kelvanbut heise is sometimes a bit clumsy with new interfaces11:02
ggabriellike theverge :)11:02
tachikom1they tried skype videocalls and so on11:03
tachikom1and it worked ;)11:03
kelvanKiranos_: tachikom1 but also note that there is a own multitaskink inside android vm11:03
tachikom1they say, camera picture quality is bad11:03
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kelvanthey done benchmarks and say android apps run at the same speed as on android11:04
ottulokelvan: some run faster on my Jolla than on GSII11:04
tachikom1they complain about battery runtime and say that one big battery killer is a software bug which causes continous nfc searches, causing battery drain11:05
kelvanottulo: I have some "problems" with eg duolingo app in landscape, slide animation look strange11:05
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kelvanlooks like vsync problem11:05
ottulokelvan: not an app I know, so I can't say11:06
tachikom1they state missing settings for privacy11:06
ottulobut I have some graphical issues with certain apps,11:06
ottulonothing major or even very distracting, as it's on the load screen11:07
kelvansome apps get black screen after app changes11:07
tachikom1in general it seems to me like the most complete review11:07
tachikom1that i read up to now11:07
kelvanheise also critisised the tab-browsing in jolla-browser11:07
kelvanreloads on tab change11:07
kelvanand no landscape11:07
ottulothat tab reload is annoying11:08
ottuloespecially on pages that have forms (like some local transport search engines)11:08
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ggabrielthanks for translating for the poor people, guys11:10
kelvanbut they say its fun to navigate because it's smooth11:10
kelvanottulo: yup, but it's even worse on android, I tried a asus tablet, android-browser and chrome reloads after app change11:11
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ggabrielgood, the email client recovered the out of sync from the imap server11:12
kelvanoh, and jolla-store is chaos, as they say. comments, likes, new apps all shuffeld together11:13
ggabrielso it's nowhere near as bad as the harmattan one11:13
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kelvanand not theora support11:13
ln-the jolla store is a chaos11:14
fk_lxln-: +111:15
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Kiranos_kelvan: thanks!11:18
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ggabrieluhm... i think i'll start ignoring all the posts concerning the email application11:38
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CoderCandywhat posts?11:40
ggabrielthe ones in tjc11:40
ggabrielposts/answers/comments :)11:41
CoderCandyah, I don't hang around there as much as I should...11:41
ggabrielwell, i try to contribute, but i really think the email application needs to be in its next iteration to continue being constructive11:41
Pnuuggabriel: agreed11:42
CoderCandywhat are people saying about the email thing?11:43
ggabrielCoderCandy: slow/downloads all emails/crashes/doesn't display html correctly/lacks unicorns11:43
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CoderCandyoh... I don't have any problems with that :p11:45
ggabrielsome of them are quite reproducible11:45
ggabrieli couldn't crash it until i got a 9000 bytes email11:45
ggabrielbut in general it's quite good actually, i mentioned before that it doesn't get out of sync of dovecot as much as harmattan's used to11:46
ggabrielthat makes me happy11:46
CoderCandyAh, I dont check my mail that much on the Jolla, most of the time I sit at my comp when I get them :p11:46
svuorela_hmm... what format to use to request internet setup things from my telco to get my jolla phone setup ?11:51
ggabrielsvuorela_: how about asking what jolla requires?11:52
ggabrielsvuorela_: as in: ask the exact questions that your phone asks you11:52
svuorela_ggabriel: there is 'enter a lot of things' possibility, but I prefer if it is possible to receive it from the telco11:56
ggabrielsvuorela_: what i mean is, ask your telco all the settings that are in the jolla11:56
ggabrieli think they were: access point name, user and password11:56
ggabrielgo to settings->mobile connection->long tap on the mobile connection->edit11:57
ggabrielyou'll see them there11:57
ggabrielyou can even get a screenshot and send it to them :)11:57
svuorela_ggabriel: I can get them, but I prefer to not have to enter them ..11:57
ggabrieloh, i see what you mean11:57
ggabrielwell, i don't know that :) that's a telco issue really11:57
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ggabrielthere is usually something that you can do to get a service sms from them11:57
ggabrielit varies... in the uk vodafone is a manual thing (and it's a very large one) but three.co.uk is automatic (and that's a smallish one)11:58
svuorela_I can request a service sms from them. I've requested for a n9 and a n900.12:00
svuorela_but nothing received12:00
svuorela_oh well. let me enter it12:00
ggabrielsvuorela_: then i don't know i'm afraid... i didn't have to deal with this stuff in the last 5-6 years12:01
PnuuI got the connection settings automatically from saunalahti12:01
ggabrielnb: some telcos are lazy, and it may be your case. nothing to do with jolla IMO12:01
Pnuuno idea what the format was :-P12:01
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ggabrielif the format is for the letter ot the telco, it should be "to whom it may concern, could you please upgrade your infrastructure to 2014 standards? thanks"12:03
ggabriel:)12:03
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koplaHi! Because of my enthusiasm for Jolla also my boss got interested of Jolla. He couldn't install the sailfish-maps from the store. There comes an error "Problem with store". How to fix the problem? Reseting the device isn't an option for him.12:14
Pnuuwhich OS version?12:15
koplaMaadajävri12:16
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Pnuukopla: maybe this helps? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-385512:18
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pahartikShadowJK: Proxy situation acknowledged12:22
koplaPnuu: didn't help12:22
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ottuloI keep having the problem that the phone speaker is very loud12:55
ottuloI was just talking with my gf and no matter how low I tried to set the volume it was still a bit too loud to be comfortable - even when the volume level appeared as "muted"12:56
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chem|stAard: how is the sdcard issue coming?12:57
ggabrielottulo: it's always loud when i speak to my gf, i can fix it by ending the call and blaming poor receptoin ;-)12:58
ggabrielottulo: but on a serious note, i think there is a question about that in tjc (or maybe i read it several times in tmo)12:58
tabaskoottulo: same here. Also other settings have little affect. Like display brightness. It burns my eyes on morning altought it is set at lowest12:58
ottuloall right, so I'm not alone12:59
svuorela_how do I get to the notification screen if I have no apps open ?12:59
chem|stsvuorela_: same way as wioth apps open12:59
Pnuubottoms up13:00
chem|stthe bottom gesture works from any view13:00
chem|stStskeeps: I might have an idea where that tracker indexing trouble is coming from... or other trouble (and it just came to mind that I owe you a video)13:01
ggabrielmy jolla keeps deciding to disconnect from wlan and connect to 3g :)13:02
chem|stStskeeps: having connection issues with wifi just killed my gsm reception and tracker is gone mad again - the tracker issue might be a hangup with indexing facebook -> thing is you'd need a testbench for things like that13:03
chem|stggabriel: mine too...13:03
Stskeepschem|st: indexing facebook, what?13:03
Stskeeps:P13:03
chem|stindexing pictures from facebook?!13:04
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chem|stit just happened all at the same time so I thought it might be related13:04
Stskeepschem|st: Aard ^13:05
chem|stI lost my sdcard content again, gsm went down and wifi said problem with connection13:05
chem|stStskeeps: btw does the chip support 5GHz? 30c3 called 2.4GHz obsolete...13:06
ggabrielchem|st: according to the ccc, the gsm encryption is obsolete and we're still using it :)13:06
Stskeepschem|st: 2.4ghz only13:07
chem|stStskeeps: for the longshot Columbus Navigation Toolkit as official Jolla app would be neat (at least a vessel >=Jolla needs something like that)- exporting Glonass/GPS to toh via nfc/i2c13:09
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Stskeepschem|st: well, alterego does work with us..13:09
kelvan2.4GHz shouldn't be a problem for the next years, afaik range is higher with 2.413:09
chem|stggabriel: according to me gsm is obsolete13:09
chem|stStskeeps: I tried to ping him several times13:10
ggabrielchem|st: :)13:10
Stskeepschem|st: i keep very busy13:10
Stskeeps:P13:10
Stskeeps+him13:10
kelvanchem|st: according to all sane peaople gsm is obsolete for many years ;)13:10
kelvanone more thing from the heise review, gps forces you to use nokia location services and map nearby wifi hotspots, is this true?13:12
chem|stStskeeps: alterego_ is one of the best I know... asking for alpha testing and handing over a RC at least13:12
chem|stkelvan: yes13:12
chem|stkelvan: it even sends data to improve nokia service13:13
chem|stkelvan: at least that is what heise tells13:13
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chem|stbut jolla is calling home too13:13
Stskeepslet's just be clear that wifi positioning typically requires querying a database13:14
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chem|stat least from what I read from connman13:14
Stskeepschem|st: yeah, to check if we're factually online or on a portal13:14
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kelvanStskeeps: maybe an option to disable wifi positioning would be a good idea13:15
chem|stStskeeps: yeah I recognized that is just loads an empty page13:15
ggabrielkelvan: i think that is a question in tjc already13:15
chem|stkelvan: settings at all would be a good idea... I'd like to test glonass solo13:15
Stskeepskelvan: well, you are agreeing to the terms when you enable it13:15
ljpchem|st: that 'calling home' is simply an online check. it's either ipv4.jolla.com or default of ipv4.connman.net13:15
amccarthyyes at least it calls our home not someone elses :)13:16
chem|stljp: jolla.com yes13:16
chem|stipv4/613:16
ggabrielStskeeps: so it can't be split? e.g., i want to use pure gps/glonas, however long it takes to lock a position?13:16
kelvanStskeeps: well, but whats the alternative? no gps at all?13:16
kelvangsm positioning should be fast and accurate too13:16
Stskeepskelvan: well, i don't know about UI, but it's possible to not use the SUPL or wireless services if you desire13:16
Stskeepser, wifi positioning13:17
Stskeepsyou're welcome to have degraded time to fix13:17
ljpthe HERE maps web page can use wifi positioining13:17
ggabrielah, cool, so it's a ui thing then13:17
Stskeepsof course, it wouldn't be cool if we tied ourselves to one provider of services13:17
Stskeepsit's geoclue underneath13:17
chem|stkelvan: over here you can navigate with gsm-pos - drove a distance of ~100km with google-maps-MIPS with pure gsm-positioning13:18
kelvanStskeeps: ok, if it's only a gui thing, I'm happy for now :)13:18
ljpI find jolla maps faster at a fix than my wife's n80813:18
amccarthyStskeeps: kelvan: it is possible but the implementation currently only check the single location enabled setting.13:19
kelvanI'm looking forward for the mozilla postion query database13:19
chem|stggabriel: nokia maps framework is awesome powerful13:19
ggabrielchem|st: i can't agree more13:19
chem|stjust without offline maps it is useless13:20
ggabrielaltho i do remmeber constantly telling the n9 to stop trying to connect while roaming and i was using sports tracker for a quick jog ;-)13:20
Stskeepskelvan: me too, but i'm sad it's just another secret data set13:20
kelvanStskeeps: what's secret about the mozilla solution?13:20
chem|ston n900/9 you just asked it on CLI and within a second you translated any location to GPScoords or the other way round...13:20
Stskeepskelvan: if you notice, there's absolutely nowhere to download the dataset13:20
Stskeepswhich means it's query and write only13:21
kelvanStskeeps: maybe because the project just started and there is not much to download13:21
ggabrielchem|st: not sure about how to do it from within the CLI - eventually i used pure gps from within modrana and it worked extremelly well13:21
PlntStskeeps: is that because of some legislation to protect this kind of "personal" data?13:21
Stskeepsi'd much rather have something like OSM for wifi positioning13:21
StskeepsPlnt: let's just say there's value in the data.13:21
Plntyeah i get this reason. i'm just wondering if they are not blocked by some law.13:21
Stskeepsmaybe13:22
Stskeepsbut you could reason that asking people to scan around is similarly problematic :P13:22
Plntthere were some issues with the google street view cards gathering wifi data13:22
kelvanmozilla positioning should work offline too, that's the whole idea behind it, at least according of a mozilla guy I know13:22
Plntso maybe they are just afraid to release something13:22
Plnts/cards/cars/13:22
ggabrielStskeeps: Plnt: it could be licensed, not sure why mozilla/google/etc have the right to record this, but somebody else doesn't13:22
chem|stggabriel: I had some fun with alterego_ on dbus queries for location framework on n90013:23
Stskeepspersonally i'd just like a big DHT instead13:23
ggabrielPlnt: lol "some issue" :)13:23
ggabrielStskeeps: +113:23
ggabrielthe problem with these db's is when people move houses and take their ap with them13:23
ggabrielthat's probably why my phone sometimes thinks i'm elsewhere13:24
Plnt:))13:24
ggabrieland on a more serious note, that's why non-wifi positioning is palatable: i want to be able to tell the phone "forget about wifi because i'm not where you think i am"13:25
chem|stggabriel: that is not only for wifi... I had a bad 3Gtower entry - putting me 400km in offset making it impossible to get a fix as the cache was replaced with the one for 400km away13:25
ggabrielchem|st: uggghh13:25
chem|stggabriel: quiet stupid to overwrite a freshly received cache13:25
* ggabriel votes for earth magnetic field positioning13:25
chem|stggabriel: that doesn't work13:26
* ggabriel is half joking13:26
chem|stggabriel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination13:28
tachikom1ggabriel: star based ;)13:28
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Pnuusextant-TOH13:28
tachikom1ggabriel: was afaik used for the first intercontinental ballistic missles13:28
tachikom1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance#Celestial_guidance13:29
ggabrielchem|st: thanks, that will be a good read13:29
chem|stI am a sailor... in terms of mobilephones and the previously used term for seaman13:29
tango_cool idea, take a picture of the sky, find where you are13:30
chem|stthat is why I actually need Columbus... I take my N900 with me any time but some day it will stop working and there is no single app in android store or itunes I like more13:30
ggabrielchem|st: perhaps for that use case you need a proper gps+compass...13:31
ggabrieli don't mind replacing a car gps as getting lost in a car isn't too risky, but getting lost @ sea can be dangerous13:31
tachikom1tango_: afaik it did not really work very well13:32
chem|stggabriel: I have everything on board and the other way round would be interesting too... a toh connection to the onboard systems13:33
ggabrielchem|st: that'd be cool :)13:33
chem|stand several times we had a bad circuit and I was actually on stopwatch and handcompass... you can never have enough gps ready devices on a boat13:34
koplaI ask again... Because of my enthusiasm for Jolla also my boss got interested of Jolla. He couldn't install the sailfish-maps from the store. There comes an error "Problem with store". How to fix the problem? Reseting the device isn't an option for him.13:35
chem|stkopla: you are repeating yourself13:35
chem|stkopla: have you tried to install it from cli?13:35
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chem|stkopla: and reseting is backup -> tar + copy .vault -> Freset -> copy .vault -> restore13:37
koplachem|st: pkcon install sailfish-maps --> could not find13:37
* ljp can't wait to get back to his normal positioning13:37
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Pnuuwhat was that ssu command that shows the active repositories?13:38
Stskeepsssu lr13:38
Pnuussu lr ?13:38
Pnuuack13:38
chem|stPnuu: does not matter...13:38
ggabrielkopla: if the answer in together.jolla.com didn't help, how about you comment with your outcome so that you get help from there too?13:38
chem|stit is jolla-maps isnt it?!13:38
chem|stoh it is sailfish...13:39
PnuuI was thinking that maybe there's incorrect repo in koplas case, "jolla" instead of "store" or something13:40
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ggabrielchem|st: so, to restore after a factory reset you copy over the previously backed up ~/.vault? you don't replace it entirely?13:43
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chem|stnever tried not to13:46
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ggabrielchem|st: good to know, thanks13:46
chem|stwhat is the ssu device registration?13:47
atlazHey, who and what and where is the Wifi-hotspot app for Jolla?13:47
valdur55and:  ssu lr13:47
chem|stggabriel: try when you are at it... but having a git repo not restored completely usualy breaks13:47
chem|statlaz: it is a cli script13:47
ljpatlaz: jolla's tethering has not yet been released13:48
atlazljp: i know, but someone released a gui that run the script13:48
atlaz*ran13:48
chem|stvaldur55: I mean ssu r13:49
petantikdoes the btrfs have compression enabled on the device?13:49
Jonniatlaz: https://github.com/jlehtoranta/harbour-tethering-gui/  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9220613:51
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atlazJonni: wooo, thanks. Just rememberd i need to go to somekind of seminar tomorrow to present something and i might just need to tether to my laptop13:52
tachikom1maybe a stupid question, but what credentials should i use for developer repos, the same as for the official ones?13:52
Jonnitachikom1: developer repos / ssu device registration is currently for Jolla employees only, so that is offlimits currently for end users.13:53
tachikom1Jonni: ah, ok - i was wondering about on how to enable that13:54
chem|stJonni: so ssu r is the same as dev-reg?13:54
chem|stwas jsut wondering as the device is showing as unregistered13:54
Jonniin the future at some point it might be that harbour developers would get early access to next releases etc, but not yet. Yes its the same as ssu r.13:55
Jonniso it should show unregistered for normal users.13:55
tachikom1so this is not like the devel and testing repos for maemo?13:55
Jonnitachikom1: something like that.13:56
tachikom1Jonni: i just wonder how i can install apps in testing like i did on n90013:56
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ggabrielpetantik: doesn't look like it... isn't it a planned feature still?13:56
chem|stanother thing is I get lots of errors in the form of [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist13:56
Jonnitachikom1: currently no access to jolla devel repoes. But there are forum instructions how to add openrepoes etc for testing 3rd party apps.13:57
Jonnichem|st: its not an error, [D] == debug == can be ignored.13:58
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Jonniits just a debug message that we forgotten to clean out from release13:58
ggabrielpetantik: "As for kernels up to 3.6 it's ZLIB. " (default compression)13:58
ggabrieljolla uses kernel 3.413:58
ggabrielmaybe that's why viq's 3.12 kernel formatted btrfs wasn't readable on the jolla :)13:59
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ggabrielpetantik: search for "compression" here, it may clarify things: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mount_options14:00
ggabrielaltho btrfs-show-super doesn't report that, so i don't know14:00
* pahartik runs 'while sleep 30 ; do ( /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman state | egrep --quiet "System is (online)|(ready)" ) || ( date --iso-8601=seconds ; /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman autoconnect cellular_[...]_context1 1 ) ; done' to keep mobile network connection up14:00
tango_petantik: (online|ready)14:01
CraigAhow can I flush the dns cache on my jolla?14:05
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tachikom1Jonni: ah, ok, thx14:10
koplapkcon search details sailfish-maps --> arm package not found (translations package found)14:12
Stskeepspkcon refresh14:13
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atlazHngh. I'd give my unborn babys soul to be able to enable/disable wlan/bluetooth/airplane mode from that little "docked" setting-screen. Now it just opens settings14:16
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Stskeepsatlaz: i'm listening..14:16
Stskeeps:P14:16
koplastskeeps: didn't help14:16
Stskeepskopla: got a jolla account?14:16
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koplastskeeps: yep14:17
Stskeepsand 1.0.2.5 right14:17
AL13NStskeeps: you want a spare soul?14:17
atlazMy cars bluetooth-system if dumb / Jollas Bluetooth is too good. It's connected to my phone even if im ~20m away (as in sitting in my office). So i have to disable bluetooth on my phone every time so it disconnects14:17
StskeepsAL13N: they come in handy sometimes14:17
Pnuuatlaz: https://together.jolla.com/question/386/cover-action-on-settings-app/14:17
atlazAnd enable it every time i go to the car14:17
koplastskeeps: 1.0.2.514:18
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Stskeepskopla: ok, going to reflash a device, upgrade it, try download14:18
AL13Natlaz: wow, that's a good distance!14:18
atlazAL13N: hell yeah. One day i was wondering why my phone wasn't getting any calls14:18
Pnuu20 m over bluetooth? whee14:18
fluxatlaz, the only option is to wrap your car in aluminum foil14:18
AL13Ntin foil FTW14:19
atlazThen i saw 30 unanswered calls and then saw, that my phone was still connected to the BT14:19
Stskeepswell, bluetooth can do 100m, 50m in LE14:19
Stskeepsso 20m is still fairly good14:19
Stskeeps:P14:19
fluxbut the bt peer is inside a car14:19
fluxso it's pretty good considering that14:19
atlazOn android i had a bluetooth widget so i could easilly enable/disable with one button14:19
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pp_ideally you would select an ambience when you're at the office that disables the car BT :-)14:20
AL13Natlaz: in that link ( https://together.jolla.com/question/386/cover-action-on-settings-app/ ) my comment states to break design and press icons for on/off.14:20
fluxI don't think my car radio uses BT though when the car (and the radio with it) is turned off :)14:20
pp_ideally the office ambience would also disable all sounds in games14:20
pp_etc. :-)14:20
atlaz:P14:20
AL13Natlaz: is it a convertible? (ie: no faraday cage) and parked outside?14:20
fluxideally the office ambience (or just call it profile..) would automatically activate when you get to corporate wlan14:20
pp_if I'm playing angry birds in the loo, I don't want my coworkers to know14:20
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AL13Nflux: or swap TOH14:21
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atlazAL13N: nope, a Skoda Octavia Combi :)14:21
fluxideally^2 there would be a program that would allow one to enter a set of rules and actions to perform based on that14:21
Kiranos_yea I have remote controls for my server that barely make 2 meters over bluetooth and then I have xbox360/ps3 controllers with great range, so bluetooth varies range extremely with quality14:21
atlazpp_: but changing ambience or TOH is much harder than pressing one button :)14:21
pp_well, actually there's too much menu space for ambience switching :-)14:21
fluxatlaz, maybe you could try parking your auto the other way around, the radio field may not be symmetrical :)14:21
atlazflux: well... automatic ambience change on WLAN <--- you win the price14:21
atlaz*prize14:22
Kiranos_maybe an app like tasker for jolla14:22
fluxn9 had 'profilematic'14:22
Kiranos_where you can program automatic taskes beeing performed based on consitions14:22
kelvanlocation based ambience would be a epic win :)14:22
fluxit would probably work fine. I think it supported criteria other than time ranges..14:22
Kiranos_like hooking up to an office wlan14:22
Kiranos_time of day etc14:22
AL13Npp_: https://together.jolla.com/question/1050/link-allprevious-changes-to-toh/ also has multiple profiles that can be linked to one TOH ( perhaps some extra rules for auto-profile selection would do the trick)14:23
atlazUmm.. Dumb question. How can i download a file with on my jolla thru SSH? wget doesn't work :)14:23
fluxatlaz, curl14:23
kelvancurl14:23
ggabrielatlaz: curl -O == wget14:23
kelvanor curl <url> > filename14:24
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ln-ggabriel: in some circumstances, yes14:25
kehnoo_my Jolla turns off randomly :(14:25
ggabrielln-: ? curl -O ?14:25
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ln-ggabriel: yes. it doesn't follow redirects like wget does, and that's quite annoying.14:26
flux-LO14:26
ggabrielln-: ok, fair enough, it never failed me though14:26
ggabrielbut i always get wget as soon as i can anyway14:26
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pahartikatlaz: "scp -pr"14:27
ln-flux: thanks, i'll try that the next time14:27
atlazWoo, tethering on my Jolla.14:27
HtheBhi14:27
ggabrielbreaking news: my jolla picked wlan while connected to mobile data for the first time14:27
ggabrielit's learning14:28
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ottulothe secret we all didn't expect: Jolla AI is self-developing, in just a few years it'll take over the world!14:30
tachikom1psssssssssssssst14:30
Pnuuseanet14:30
kelvanmaybe the AI can develop less from more :)14:30
Kiranos_skynet is here :P14:31
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ggabrieli'll start getting worried when it can operate my coffee machine14:33
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ggabrielso, speaking of conspiracy theories... has anybody else noticed that the "essential apps from jolla" in the jolla store have an icon (the right-most one) that is not on sale?14:35
ggabrieli think it's the file manager.... but is it?14:35
Waiteeyes14:35
Waiteeit's the icon for jolla filemanager14:35
Waiteei guess it's still too buggy or something14:36
Waiteeso they havent put it on the store14:36
ggabrieli know there's a way to install it14:36
AL13Nwell, we all knew it would come sooner or later14:36
ggabrielbut i haven't bothered as, like you say, it may be too alpha14:36
ggabrieland ls/cp/mv works too :)14:36
Waiteeyepp14:37
Waiteeand there's the unofficial filemanager on jolla store14:37
kelvanoh, there is a second filemanger in the store now14:37
ggabrieli saw at least 2 i think14:37
kelvancargo dock is new14:37
Waiteeoh14:38
Waiteehavent noticed that one14:38
ggabrielpycage doing14:38
ggabrielsame as tidings, which had an update today14:38
kelvanWaitee: me2 it wasn't there 2 days ago ^^14:38
AL13Nwhat is this cargo dock?14:38
kelvanAL13N: 2pane filemanger14:38
kelvanhaven't tried it yet14:39
AL13Nah14:39
ggabrieloh, i think i know why my phone went from data->wlan14:39
ggabrielthe store wants wlan14:39
kelvanggabriel: lol just as you wrote I saw 3 new updates notification :D14:39
kelvanscreenshot and smpc also got update14:39
ggabrieldidn't get the screenshot one14:40
ggabrielmaybe they're throttling this time round :)14:40
Waiteecargo dock is a bit misleading name for a filemanager14:40
ggabriel...or maybe i didn't install screenshot yet ;-)14:40
kelvanWaitee: indeed, and the icon too, I thought it was a game14:40
ggabrielWaitee: one could argue that tidings is a bit misleading for an rss feed reader ;-)14:40
ggabrieli thought cargo had something to do with the wire14:41
AL13Nbtw: all these updates, what did they fix? https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description#1056414:41
Waiteeggabriel: indeed :D14:41
kelvanggabriel: at least the icon is not misleading ;)14:41
Waiteekelvan: true14:41
Waiteewhy is it named "tidings"14:41
Waitee:D14:41
Waiteestupid name14:41
ggabrielAL13N: i can notice the differences in tidings, but i don't know for sure14:41
kelvanis there something like changelog feature for store apps? I want to know what cool things added with the updates14:42
AL13Nkelvan: see link :)14:42
ggabrielWaitee: http://www.answers.com/topic/tiding14:42
AL13Nplz vote up14:42
AL13Nwe need to know what has changed, and my answer should relatively painlessly fix that14:43
ggabrielWaitee: i think pycage has a better grasp of the english language than me14:43
mikmahttp://imgur.com/gallery/hy9s34f14:43
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Waiteeoh14:44
Waiteei thought it had something to do with cleaning as in tidy14:44
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ggabrielthe "available sailfish upgrade" went away too14:45
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mikmahttp://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_outsells_iphone_5c_and_iphone_5s_at_finnish_carrier_dna-news-7464.php14:47
ggabrielmeh, but dna had low stock i read14:47
ggabrieland ithings sold the most in finland apparently14:47
Waiteelol14:49
Waiteejolla is quite overhyped i think14:49
Waiteeit's nice though14:49
ggabrielyeah14:49
Waiteebut hype always creates antihype and thats damaging14:49
ggabrieli'll be happy if they can reach financial sustainability in the next year14:49
ShadowJKFineprint is that all 3 operators said they would've sold more 5s and 5c if there had been more of them to sell14:50
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Waiteeit's marketed as a sales victory for jolla :D14:50
ggabrielyeah, of course14:51
ggabrielalso, if jolla came out with an official physical keyboard other half, i'd buy it14:53
ggabriellike, click+buy14:53
ggabrielno questions asked, no reviews read, nothing :)14:53
Nicd-I'd buy it in an instant14:53
Waiteelol14:53
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tachikom1Waitee: mh, not sure but i think the jolla hype mainly manifestst among jolla fans. Nobody around me even knew that there is something else beside iphone and anroid now14:54
AL13Nggabriel: you already know everything about jolla14:54
ggabrielbut if anybody else did it, i'd wait for a review, look closer14:54
ggabrielAL13N: of course not14:54
ggabrieljust dreaming with unicorns ;-)14:54
Nicd-tachikom1: my mom of all people told me she considers buying a jolla14:54
Nicd-even before I told her about it14:54
Waiteetachikom1: well i study IT so it's well known in our guild14:54
AL13Nwhat's with all the damn unicorns14:54
Waiteeit's become like apple was14:54
tachikom1Waitee: yes, but i think that guild is educated enought to make sane decissio ... oh wait ;)14:55
Waiteeover hyped :D14:55
AL13Nneed more Riot-marketing :-)14:55
ggabrielAL13N: dunno, i think Stskeeps or w00t mentioned it in the past and now i want htem14:55
Waiteei told my parents not to buy jolla14:55
Waiteeat least not yet14:55
tachikom1riot-marketing sounds like a concept with a violent future :)14:55
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Nicd-jolla needs jennifer government style marketing14:56
Nicd-;)14:56
Stskeepswe've (not yet) been running naked down the helsinki streets14:56
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* tachikom1 is looking for helsinki webcams ....14:56
AL13NStskeeps: lol14:56
AL13NNicd-: what's that?14:56
ggabrielStskeeps: i always thought that if you're ever so drunk to do that, you won't remember it anyway14:56
WaiteeStskeeps: implicating you have been already running down the helsinki streets?14:56
Waiteei've actually done that once14:57
Stskeepswe're too tired to run. it's often 2am when we walk home14:57
Stskeeps:P14:57
Nicd-AL13N: shoot some customers buying a jolla at a dna store and steal the phone. will create the impression of crazy demand14:57
AL13Nlol14:57
AL13Nactually not a bad idea...14:57
WaiteeNicd-: should've done that on the jolla love day14:57
Waitee"love day massacre"14:57
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AL13Nlol14:58
Waiteejolla would be in head news all around the globe14:58
AL13Nno such thing as bad publicity14:58
ggabrielAL13N: so true, sadly14:58
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Stskeepsdid you hear about the LG event?14:58
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Stskeepshttp://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/lg-promotional-event-goes-horribly-wrong14:58
ShadowJKJust walk into a sports bar and tell the drunks there's people queueing at dna to show their support for the swedish icehockey team14:59
AL13Nhow about a student doing suicide with a note next to his jolla saying, i finally got one, now i can die14:59
ShadowJKthe result should be pretty brutal14:59
Waiteetrue14:59
tachikom1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government that sounds like a book i want to read ....15:00
ShadowJKI liked it15:00
Stskeepsoh damnit..15:00
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Nicd-tachikom1: do read it, it's fun15:01
TofeStskeeps: yes, please, don't do that with Jolla vouchers ;)15:01
Stskeepswell that book is now going to my kindle15:02
Stskeeps:P15:02
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tachikom1Nicd-: it sound like it15:02
ShadowJKdoes kindle work on jolla15:02
Stskeepsit does15:03
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Waiteei've got rid of most of android apps on jolla15:05
PnuuI use only one, firefox15:05
merlin1991heh, I gotta adjust the nick colour algorithm of quassel, this channel is 90% pink for me atm o_O15:06
Waiteegotta admit only ones i use are facebook, angry birds and candy crush saga15:06
Waiteeand opera mini sometimes15:06
Nicd-angry birds go works \o/15:07
AL13Nmerlin1991: you work for DNA?15:07
ottuloNicd-: it does, but there's an issue with entering login details for a Rovio account15:07
merlin1991AL13N: last time I checked I didn't15:07
ottuloinitially I was unable to log in/create account, it would always crash15:07
ottulothat started to work, but there's still an issue: you can't change text you've entered into the fields15:08
ottulocan't delete or move cursor15:08
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HtheBWaitee: why the mini version?15:14
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WaiteeHtheB: works better on poor connectivity15:14
HtheByou can enable "Opera Turbo" which acts as opera mini15:15
Waiteetrue15:15
Waiteei've just used it since it came to android market 2 years ago or something15:15
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HtheBopera mini looks almost the same as Opera Classic15:16
HtheBwhich is far superiour15:16
Waiteei like it15:16
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ggabrielnot as bad as the lg one, but still funny, the screen he was reading from was probably running android :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DTtns4NCc8&feature=youtu.be15:18
ggabriel(a bit off topic too, sorry ;) )15:18
kelvanis it hard to build a harmattan app for jolla? I need a foursquare app :) (android fq app needs google stuff)15:21
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HarhaanJohtajahttps://openrepos.net/content/xmlich02/foursail15:22
xmlich02HarhaanJohtaja,  are you looking for me?15:22
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Skorpyhey, what is the latest Tweetian version available?15:24
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Morpog_PCyou can build it yourself, but last time I did, it was really buggy :)15:25
anacronkelvan: you could install google play and google settings as well15:25
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SkorpyMorpog_PC: Yea I have 1.8.2 atm. bit buggy but usable. is there a newer version already built? I don't wanna build it myself :P15:26
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kelvananacron: would be one possibility, but I'm happy to be google free at the moment :)15:27
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kelvanHarhaanJohtaja: I'll try this out thanks15:27
Morpog_PCdon't think so skorpy15:27
SkorpyMorpog_PC: ok, thanks15:27
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mikmahint: Matrix ambience ;)15:30
anacronkelvan: heh! of course I would prefer native apps as well15:33
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kelvanjust installed foursail, quite basic feature set atm, but checkin works :) just missing friends feed, but for the early state quite handy15:34
mikmaI'm kinda surprised that no-one has mentioned anywhere that Netflix app works in jolla15:35
ballocknatively?15:37
Kiranos_opensource guys that doesnt use windows often dont use netflix :)15:37
mikmai used netflix with my android + chromecast15:37
mikmatoo bad that the chromecast doesn't work with jolla, yet15:38
anacronso far all the android apps I've tried have worked15:38
kelvananacron: with or without google stuff installed?15:38
ballockgoogle calendar didnt :(15:38
kelvanI tried ingress, but it uses google stuff, of course15:38
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anacronwith google stuff mostly15:39
mikmaballock: the android apk of netflix (from store, transfered into jolla)15:39
anacronI watched some series from netflix during a bus trip but I had problems with sound being very low15:39
anacronlatest android update fixed a lot of sync and audio issues tough15:41
kelvanaaand facebook lost authentication again :/ is this intended?15:41
ballockkelvan: so it's not just google account loosing auth data but fb too?15:42
ballock(never used fb)15:42
kelvanballock: I don't use google at the phone atm15:43
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kelvanafair my jolla account did this too once15:43
kelvanbut it remembers the user/password and just wanted a accept15:43
Nicd-my facebook hasn't disconnected yet15:43
Nicd-but google account does that often15:43
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kelvanmy duolingo app seems to be really quiet today, max volume and I can't understand anything15:45
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tango_I think we need sailfish integration of this http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/integrate-android-kde-linux-desktop.html15:51
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AL13Ntango_: go post on together :-)15:53
AL13Nshould be easier for sailfish rather than android anyway15:53
kelvantango_: +115:54
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kelvandbus over ssh ^^15:55
tango_excpet for the frigging clipboard15:56
tango_how does the clipboard even work in wayland?15:56
kelvantango_: no idea, ask #wayland :)15:59
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Skorpyumm... just got a notification for system update 1.0.2.5 even though I'm already at 1.0.2.516:11
stephgSkorpy that's a known thing16:11
Skorpyah, ok16:11
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AL13Nhmm, i saw this home-screen improvement thing and i got similar but better idea, i put it in this answer: https://together.jolla.com/question/9161/home-screen-improvement-idea/#post-id-1166116:15
AL13Nchem|st: you here?16:16
* ggabriel curious as to how big the average hand is among jolla users16:16
AL13Ni got a short one with thick fingers (ie: average geeky hand)16:16
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AL13Nggabriel: you have a Jolla, right? do you think my idea was good? or is your hand big enough?16:18
AL13Nmaybe you use 2-handed action for that?16:18
AL13Nlol, we sound like a RPG thing with 1-handed and 2-handed actions16:18
tachikom1lol16:19
FiSHBoYdual-wield jollas16:19
tachikom1pump action jolla16:19
SkorpyAL13N: I think with that solution people might accidentally trigger cover actions even if they didn't mean to16:20
AL13Ncan you guys use one-handed cover actions?16:20
AL13NSkorpy: you mean while moving down?16:20
Skorpyjea16:20
Skorpyyeah*16:20
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AL13Nerrr *up16:20
AL13Ni donno, aren't those "flicks"16:20
AL13Nyou don't move up or down slowly, right?16:21
AL13Nalso you'd still have to move quite far left/right to initiate the cover action?16:21
Skorpyhmmm16:21
chem|stAL13N: yep16:22
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Skorpywell, the cover actions don't need that much movement to the sides16:22
AL13Nchem|st: WDYT? good/bad?16:22
AL13NSkorpy: how much do they need? if you move left/right like 1/10th does it still count?16:22
Skorpybut yeah I kinda flick up and down always, so it might not be a problem16:22
AL13NSkorpy: i thought you had to move all the way until out of cover?16:22
Skorpyoh wait, it needs to be moved to the edge of the cover16:23
AL13N(according to user-guide) i don't have jolla yet16:23
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Skorpywell... it's still kinda little amount :P16:23
Skorpybut yeah, it could work.16:24
AL13Ni should make a together poll topic... "do you use one-handed or two-handed actions?" lol16:24
AL13NSkorpy: gimme a vote then :-)16:24
chem|stAL13N: you got it wrong...16:24
AL13Noh noes16:24
AL13Nchem|st: how do you mean?16:25
chem|sthe is not about that an action is not done but he cannot reach the top left pane16:25
SkorpyAL13N: still testing. (flick up and down and playing with cover actions)16:25
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chem|stcoveractions once started proceed even when moved up and down16:25
AL13Nchem|st: by the way it's worded, it said something like: "especially left cover action", so i concluded that it could be reached16:26
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chem|stwhat you are suggesting is that the whole screen moves with your fingers which is a neat idea but gives me headache when thinking of looking at it twice16:26
AL13Nchem|st: oic, it just doesn't move with the finger16:26
AL13Nlol16:26
chem|styes16:27
AL13Nchem|st: ok, so with one finger(middle finger) you move screen down and the other (thumb) you do cover action?16:27
AL13Nlol16:27
chem|stit does what you ask for but without the moving16:27
AL13Nok then16:27
AL13Nso, it doesn't help16:27
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chem|sthe cannot reach the top left cover so nope16:28
chem|stand he cannot initialize left cover-action when able to reach16:28
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* pahartik would like to know how to get light background and dark foreground to terminal application16:29
chem|stthe phone is just slightly to big16:29
chem|steven for me an my palm is close to epic16:29
pawkygreat, my order status is finally "in picking" :-) less great, customer care hasnt ' changed the accidentaly wrongly written ZIP code, as requested the same day I ordered... :-(16:29
SkorpyAL13N: when I flick (or just move) up and down, my finger's movement isn't straight up or down. it's rather a small arc, like flick up = starts from low right and moves a bit to the left when flicking up. so it might be a bit of a problem if the actions would trigger so easily.16:29
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chem|stth phone is just 2/3rd of my hand...16:29
pawkyis there anybody from customer care in here that might help me out here??? (I know you might be hiding somewhere.... ;-) )16:30
chem|stSkorpy: +116:30
chem|stthat is why all left/right must be in a pretty narrow angle16:30
Skorpyyeah16:31
chem|stthere needs to be some changes in the gesture interface fmpov16:31
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chem|stlike if there is no up/down available do left right properly...16:32
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Skorpywhat do you mean "do properly"?16:33
Stskeepspawky: i don't think we have anybody in customer care in here, and even if there was, this isn't really official, just a community place16:33
AL13NSkorpy: since chem|st said that cover actions already are completing if thumb moves up/down, can you try a flick starting from the cover action button, and see if it triggers?16:33
SkorpyAL13N: I think he meant that if it has already been started with a left or right swipe. then it triggers if you move up or down (which doesn't do anything)16:34
Skorpyand yes, they do trigger in that case16:34
micko_ I complained about battery consumption yesterday and the day before. seems like the faraday cage I was in really was the problem. after I left 30h ago my battery has gone down from 55% to 45%16:34
Skorpyam I making any sense?... :D16:35
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ottuloerm16:35
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ottuloif I start a swipe from the cover up or down the whole screen moves, so cover action is not activated16:35
pawkyStskeeps: well it is a last desperate move on my side... I mean what else am i to do? I have sent them an E-mail just as they tell you to on the site, and I did it nearly a month ago. If they send the phone it will end up in potrezebie, or there alike, do you have any better suggestions?16:35
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ottuloif I start sideways I can then move finger up or down, and the cover action is still available16:36
Skorpyottulo: exactly what I was _trying_ to say. :D16:36
ottuloso I can start swiping to the side, but before reaching the edge move above/below the cover, and then move sideways as if still within the cover16:36
ottuloSkorpy: yeah, I just had to try it to get it :P16:37
Stskeepspawky: i don't have any visibility to our care or logistics, sorry16:37
mikmahttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404466&postcount=253   <- best post ever about mitäkuuluu16:38
* AL13N wants nickname TAB completion: https://together.jolla.com/question/11673/nick-autocompletion-in-together/16:38
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pawkyStskeeps: This i do fully understand, but maybe someone somewhere at jolla could make them change it before it gets sent? What is the point if they will read my E-mail after they expedited the order? I onl  know to ways to communicate with jolla, thats through care@jolla.com and in here... :-(16:39
AL13Npawky: some people seem to have contacted Fedex directly to change shipping when they get tracking number16:40
AL13Njust an idea16:40
pawkyALI13N: I highly doubt that will work... or else its not such a difficult task to change someone elses address and get a phone for free...16:41
AL13Npawky: don't ask me, but i seem to remember someone having done just that16:41
AL13Npawky: i assume that tracking numbers are not that easy to make16:42
AL13Nas i said, it's an idea... you can do whatever you like with it16:43
AL13Ngtg RL calls16:43
mikmaanyone else has the "bug" where the screen doesn't turn off if you are in the running application listing or in the app menu?16:44
ggabrielAL13N: not sure about your idea tbh, not sure whether the jolla is too big or ok either, i need to see the next update, and i need to use it more16:44
ggabrielif i had the measuring tape with me, i'd tell you how big my hand is :)16:45
AL13Nk16:45
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ggabrielif i extend thumb to pinky and i try to grab my jolla horizontally, i get an excess of 1/3 of a jolla16:45
ggabriel:)16:45
ggabrielerm, i didn't mean try to grab, i meant measure it against16:46
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pawkyStskeeps: maybe you could send an internal E-mail to those guys, and tell them to check there care@jolla.com mail for address change requests, or else this procedure told on the web site is of no use... :-)16:46
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mikmai wonder is foilchat coming/going to work into jolla16:48
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CoderCandyWhere does one go to keep up to date with toh projects?17:05
ggabrielCoderCandy: rss/email in your settings?17:05
CoderCandyyeah, but where does one find them in the first place? tjc?17:06
ggabrieloh, sorry17:06
ggabrielyou said toh and i read tjc17:06
ggabrieldoh'17:06
ggabrielthere are some in tjc17:06
ggabrieland i saw at least 2 proper ones in tmo17:07
ggabrielbut there's no centralised place17:07
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CoderCandyah, that's too bad :(17:07
ggabrielon a sim connection related note, allow me to report that i jumped 40 times with my jolla on the front pocket of my jeans and experienced no disconnection. just so you know :)17:08
Waiteeggabriel: no problems with that here either17:08
stephgyeah17:08
stephggah17:08
ggabrieli thougth i'd throw it out there as some folks are panicking, or at least were the other day17:09
Waiteeif i press on a small area above the sim card on the other half it will disconnect17:09
Waiteebut i have to press very hard and on a very specific area17:09
ggabrielWaitee: i could reprodue that too, but in practice it doesn't happen17:09
Waiteemy friend said his sim disconnects if he holds the phone "wrong"17:10
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CoderCandyI don't think I've had any sim dcs17:11
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Waiteei havent had any accidental17:12
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petantikmy phone was heating up earlier, something to do with people sync.17:53
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mikmastskeeps: you've angered joerg_rw, bad boy.17:54
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ggabrielmikma: i want source! :)17:55
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mikmaggabriel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404127&postcount=26217:56
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mikmaggabriel: the conversation after that is interesting also17:56
Venemowish me luck for tomorrow! I've got a physics exam17:56
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ggabrielmikma: thanks :D17:57
ggabrielVenemo: good luck17:57
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Venemothanks ggabriel :) it means a lot to me!17:58
* Morpog_ wonders when will this exams end for poor Venemo, so he can code on irc-chatter :D17:58
Morpog_good luck Venemo :D17:58
ggabrielmikma: lol17:58
ggabrielah well17:58
ggabrieli'm gonna post something that i told a few hours ago to a colleague, relevant to some tmo people17:59
ggabriel"it is known that sometimes customers make ilogical requests, just set the expectation right and don't worry too much"17:59
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Morpog_pissing off joerg_rw is pretty easy, seen it several times in this channel already17:59
Venemomikma: so, one unlucky night Stskeeps forgets to check his /queries and boom!17:59
mikmaggabriel: lol, it's like, "stay quiet and let him burn"17:59
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mikmathat's so brilliant, and sad at the same time18:00
VenemoMorpog_: I'll be done with exams by the end of the month, but I'll code on the IRC app tomorrow, just as a way of taking a break18:00
Morpog_\o/18:00
mikmataking a break from exams by coding18:00
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ZogG_laptopVenemo: you know what i would say but i wouldn't say anything ...18:02
TofeHas TheBootRoo disappeared ?18:02
clauany news on when we'll see the next update?18:02
Stskeepsmikma: when have i -not- angered him?18:02
Pnuurofl18:02
Venemoin any case I've seen a LOT of Jollans share information about the same question, so...18:03
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VenemoMorpog_: by the way; since we joined forces with jpnurmi it's no longer "IRC Chatter". It's more based on the Communi code and we're calling it simply "IRC" (or "IRC for Sailfish" for long)18:04
Morpog_aslong as it's as good or even better as irc-chatter, all is well ;)18:04
PnuuIRCfSFOS18:04
Morpog_Sailchat :D18:05
nadrielAss.. I'm supposed to roll to a course, but all I get is error 503. : )18:05
mikmastskeeps: hah. change your jobdescription to anger management18:05
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Morpog_IRC-Sailor18:06
nadrielSailIRC18:06
Venemothe icon will simply have a caption "IRC" like irc-chatter did18:06
TofeSailfirc18:06
Venemoand we're using Morpog_'s icon18:06
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Morpog_yeah o/18:06
mikmaaaaand including this url because of the "chat"-chatting: http://www.foilchat.com/18:07
mikmai'd like to see that as native18:07
VenemoMorpog_: well, jpnurmi and myself used to develop two separate apps for Harmattan... and both the apps were quite good18:07
Venemoso I expect this one to be even better than either of those ;)18:07
Morpog_sounds great18:07
Morpog_have only used irc-chatter on harmattan, as it was pretty good18:08
Venemothanks18:08
Morpog_beside of that autoscroll :D18:08
Venemoanyway, this time we decided that working together is better than trying to do that same thing on our own18:08
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Morpog_joined forces is always good18:08
mikmatell that to nokia+microsoft18:09
Morpog_seeing the 5 to 10 note apps in jolla store.....18:09
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VenemoI never understood the point of note apps when there's already a default one18:09
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Morpog_Venemo, well yeah, maybe bluewhale has its right, as its using evernote as backend18:10
clauVenemo, that one did not really work until the latest update.18:10
Milo-I have four 00:00 length videos that are only visible in camera's "gallery"-view. Any suggestions on how to find them so I can delete them?18:11
Venemoclau: oh, then that's the reason18:11
Milo-Delete on the camera's gallery is unwilling to delete them.18:11
claucan anyone confirm this? --> https://together.jolla.com/question/11646/bug-call-timer-slows-down-considerably-when-screen-is-off/18:12
clauI'm a tad surprised I couldn't find any report about it, so I'm thinking that maybe it's just my device.18:13
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Venemoclau: maybe nobody else noticed? it sounds pretty scary though18:13
Venemoclau: I upvoted18:13
clauthanks Venemo18:14
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Venemoanyway, see you all later :)18:16
clauo/18:16
PeperJohnnyIs there a way I can check on terminal if I get a sms? I do not get sms from a certain number :/18:16
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mikmai find it interesting that my screen doesn't turn off in other than lock screen18:19
mikmai've set the time to 30 secs but it still stays on when the applications running are visible18:19
ggabrielmikma: what's your screen auto off delay?18:19
Milo-what is in the ~/.vault?18:19
Morpog_yay new apps and updated app in store18:19
ggabrielmikma: 30 secs or 30 mins? :)18:19
Milo-backups are in the .vault?18:20
mikmaggabriel: 30 secs :D18:20
ggabrielmikma: interesting18:20
ggabrielmine is 10' fwiw18:20
ggabrieli got fed up with the screen dying on me18:20
ggabrieli'm happy to lock it manually or going to the lock screen18:20
mikmaggabriel: when i switch to lock screen it'll turn off after 5 secs18:20
ggabrielmikma: yup, that's normal18:20
PeperJohnnymikma: seems so18:21
Plntclau: i just did test call. first 10 seconds with display on, after that 20 seconds with display off. after that i turned on the display again and the timer was correct.18:21
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Plntclau: does the display needs to be turned off for a longer time to reproduce the bug?18:21
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clauPlnt, I think I know what's different: I have tohd.service stopped.18:21
Plnts/needs/need/18:21
Plntah18:21
Plnti have that turned on18:21
clauno, it's enough to have it off for 5-10 seconds to get a visible delay.18:21
clauI think tohd works as a sort of heartbeat, waking the system up often enough to update all stuff.18:22
claureason for which it also eats lots of battery.18:22
mikmai wonder is that the reason for the display not turning off too18:22
Plntclau: if it's caused by the tohd service i would suggest to use the tinfoil hack instead :)18:22
clauit's probably not intended like this, but it's rather a side effect of waking up to check nfc?18:22
clauPlnt, LMAO18:22
clauin any case, if I'm right even the emailing syncing should behave better when tohd is on.18:23
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mikmaggabriel: yeah, turning it to 15secs didn't make any difference. still stays on in any other screen than lock18:24
ggabrielmikma: maybe reboot and try again18:24
ggabrielmind you, there is a fix that may or may not be related that's coming soon18:24
mikmaggabriel: doesn't help, tried that18:24
ggabrielok, weird then18:25
clauPlnt, thanks for checking it, though18:25
Plntclau: np :)18:25
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mikmaggabriel: i can't believe that tohd.service being stopped would be responsible for this18:26
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ggabrielmikma: mine is stopped18:27
ggabrieli can test18:27
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mikmaoh lord18:28
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ggabrielmikma: mine used to work18:28
ggabrielin fact, i opened a few questions due to that kicking off in the camera application18:28
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mikmai just unmasked and started it, got error about store + the other half18:28
mikmathen i masked and stopped it again, screen went off18:29
ggabrielmikma: cna't reproduce with 15", trying with 3018:29
mikmaor did i swipe it to lock... hmm18:29
AL13Nwell, tohd isn't supposed to be off, and when they get the tohd fixed (hopefully next update) then this will be a whole other ballpark18:29
Skorpyjust wondering. I have run systemctl disable tohd.service, but it still runs after reboot. why is that?18:30
ggabrielAL13N: ^ that18:30
ggabrielSkorpy: i think you have to mask it18:30
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ggabrielbut haven't tried that myself18:30
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AL13NSkorpy: it may be started by another service18:30
ggabrieli stop every boot18:30
mikma"Problem with store, The other Half is not working"18:30
mikmaheh18:30
mikmathis is *AFTER* i unmask and start tohd.service18:30
AL13NSkorpy: systemd works like that, you can start a service, or it starts ondemand dpending on hardware for instance18:30
ggabrielmikma: ok, i can't reproduce your problem18:30
ggabrielmikma: i don't use android and i have a lock code18:31
SkorpyAL13N: ok18:31
AL13Nmikma: perhaps after unmark, you need to reboot18:31
mikmaaye18:31
AL13N*unmask18:31
mikmaal13n: the screen flashes off and on and that message is popping up. i'll test the reboo18:31
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AL13Nit probably is needed at boot time for something, perhaps checking TOH id or something18:31
PeperJohnnymikma: I have your problem too, as well some folks on tjc18:32
mikmapeperjohnny: hmm. "good".18:32
PeperJohnnymikma: https://together.jolla.com/question/5330/connecting-white-other-half-give-error/18:32
mikmaggabriel: after unmasking and starting tohd.service and rebooting, the screen turned off after 15sec18:34
ggabrielmikma: that's super weird18:34
ggabrielfwiw, mi tohd.service is just stopped18:34
ggabrielmaybe if you mask it you stop something else from starting?18:34
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mikmasounds weird18:35
mikmawhy aren't you affected then18:35
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mikmaggabriel: you have it disabled, stopped, or masked+stopped?18:36
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ggabrielit'd be interesting to see which services didn't start18:36
ggabrielmikma: just stopped18:36
ggabrielsudo systemctl stop tohd.service18:36
ggabrielso i allow the system to boot normally and then stop that service18:36
PnuuI have tohd stopped+masked, screen-off works as expected18:36
mikmai'll try that one now18:36
ggabrielPnuu: did you reboot after masking?18:36
Pnuuggabriel: yes, I've booted several times since18:37
AL13Nso then it's something else18:37
ggabrielok, then the theory of unstarted services falls apart :)18:37
mikmapnuu: you scroll to any other menu than the lockscreen and the screen goes off?18:37
PnuuI've set the screen timeout to 2 mins18:37
Pnuumikma: yes, but I'll confirm that18:37
AL13NPnuu: is it actually 2 minutes? or longer/shorter18:37
clauhaving tohd stopped seems to create weird issues, lilke this one that I reported earleir: https://together.jolla.com/question/11646/bug-call-timer-slows-down-considerably-when-screen-is-off/18:37
PnuuAL13N: I'll check that too18:38
clauso, if you see weird stuff, just re-check with tohd on.18:38
ggabrielclau: if that's actually the case, i'm happy to have that time reported wrongly until the proper fix comes in ;)18:38
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clau:)18:38
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AL13Nggabriel: ++18:38
AL13Nit's not that battery is bad anyway18:39
AL13Njust some people are obsessed really18:39
ggabrieli tihnk battery life is amazing18:39
AL13Nok, i can agree that the tohd does use a bit too much, but still18:39
mikmai was used to charge my samsung galaxy s3 mini every night18:39
clauI had it off, but I've set the suspend policy to early (via mcetool), just to get emails on schedule.18:39
ggabrielit'll easily double my n9, which beats all of my friends's phones18:39
mikmaand having jolla charged every second night is a bonus18:39
ggabrielso i'll go and show them how it's done18:39
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clauin fact, that seemed to me to be the only way of getting new emails checked at preset interval.18:40
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ggabrielclau: that's interesting18:40
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ggabrielmaybe the phone goes to deep sleep without the tohd.service18:40
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clautohd is defintiely waking up the system very often, and without it the system just goes to deep sleep.18:40
clauyeah, I think that's the case.18:40
Pnuumikma: at 2 minutes the screen started to dim and then turned off18:41
PnuuI was in home screen18:41
mikmapnuu: yeah. after unmasking+starting and rebooting the phone the screen dim+turnoff started to work as intended18:41
mikmapnuu: can't think of why tohd.service blocked it earlier18:41
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Pnuucould be something unrelated, too18:42
clauggabriel, the thing is, even with tohd on email checking still sucked. My guess is that sometimes there isn't enough time for the email client to finish checking for new emails before it goes back to sleep. But I can't confirm from server side, since I use gmail.18:42
mikmaWarning: Unit file changed on disk, 'systemctl --system daemon-reload' recommended.18:43
ggabrielclau: my email checking is erratic, and it's known anyway18:43
clauggabriel, have a look at this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9218318:43
ggabrielclau: i use my own server as well as hotmail and gmail, and it happens in all of them18:43
AL13Nfor all i know unmasking the phone and starting disables some functionality, since it's not supposed to be unmasked18:43
AL13Nperhaps dependant systemd stuff is doing odd stuff18:44
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AL13Nbtw: can anyone do a systemd-analyze plot > file.svg for a boot of unmasked tohd and masked tohd?18:44
clauggabriel, it's about sshd, but I would say the email checking has the same root cause.18:44
late88Hello. I tried asking this earlier on TMO but received no answers. My phone speaker stopped working completely in my Jolla, but sounds work in general (earplugs etc). Is there anything I can try?18:44
mikmaal13n: aye, just a moment18:44
ggabrielclau: yup, mildly familiar18:45
ggabriellate88: did you try rebooting?18:45
clauggabriel, if you *need* the email to work, you can use mcetool --set-suspend-policy=early18:45
late88many times already18:45
AL13N"have you tried turning it off and on again" ?18:45
AL13Nlol18:45
ggabriellate88: in that case, it really sounds like your device is somewhat faulty18:45
mikmaal13n: except, systemd-analyze: command not found  :D18:45
mikmalol18:45
AL13Nmikma: hmm18:46
ggabrielclau: thanks, i'm only playing with the device atm, so i'll let it flow18:46
late88http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404588&postcount=7418:46
AL13Nanything else systemd related with analyze?18:46
clauggabriel, battery consumption will increase, but it's comparable to my n9 so far. I still get a full day of decent usage out of it.18:46
AL13Nor maybe that file is in mer-tools?18:46
ggabriellate88: also, if you can, i'd reset to factory condition18:46
mikmaal13n: there's 13 different systemd-* files but nothing related to analyze18:46
ggabrielclau: my n9 is 1.5-2 days :D18:46
ggabrielmy jolla is almost getting to 4 days18:47
ggabrielbut i haven't left home18:47
mikmaggabriel: uh, how? sim card in?18:47
ggabrielit'll decrease to about 3 days if i go out18:47
ggabrielyeah, sim card in18:47
ggabrieloccasional switching to mobile data18:47
clauwith tohd on?18:47
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ggabrielbut coming back to wlan quite ofen18:47
ggabrieltohd off18:47
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clauok, that sounds reasonable.18:47
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late88Oh my god, had to do it couple of times already... I'm not sure if I have the urge to do that.18:47
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ggabriellate88: the factory reset?18:48
late88yes.18:48
ggabriellate88: another thing you can do is asking in together.jolla.com and see if anybody else had this issue18:48
ggabrielif nobody else did, i suggest that you email care@jolla.com18:48
ggabrieli saw a couple of faulty device candidate problems out there18:48
ggabrielwhich isn't unreasonable to think of tbh18:48
mikmalate88: oh, the "double messages in mitäkuuluu" case18:49
late88Did you read the post on TMO yet? Is there anything suspicious?18:49
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ggabriellate88: i read it, and i insist in the course of action18:49
ggabrielmind you, i have no problem with resetting my device, so i'd do it; it may not be your case18:49
late88time consuming...18:49
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ggabrielwell, i bought a device with a beta os, so i expect to consume time with it :)18:50
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late88yeah me too, but I tired of resetting everything.. this is about 5th time.18:51
late88i'm*18:51
ggabriellate88: i suggest tjc first, and care@j.c afterwards if nobody answers18:51
late88I'm pretty sure it's just some software problem.18:52
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ggabriellate88: i'm hoping that too :)18:52
late88I'm not that familiar with all terminal commands, although I'm good with following instructions.18:52
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late88funny thing is, first time when I lost the speaker, reboot third reboot helped. Now it's not helping anymore.18:53
mikmahttp://www.razerzone.com/nabu18:54
Stskeepslate88: there's a tool on the device you may be able to use to do some tests18:54
Stskeepssec18:54
late88Ok, thanks... i'm willing to try anything before device reset18:54
Stskeeps*#*#310#*#*18:54
Stskeepsdial that18:54
late88trying...18:54
late88done.18:55
mikmayou have reached the jolla devtool. please hold.18:55
mikmaall our lines are busy at the moment, waiting time is.... 15 minutes18:56
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late88I suppose it's the Audio below mic ?18:56
mikmamore likely "audio playback to loudspeaker"18:57
late88yes, just noticed.18:58
ottulonenis there a way to disable dialing sounds?18:58
ottulonenI remember they weren't playing at some point, but now I can't get rid of them18:58
late88PASS[ ] / FAIL[X]18:58
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amixpbhello18:59
amixpbsomeone alive in here?18:59
Pnuumaybe19:00
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attahit depends ;)19:00
late88Stskeeps: test failed.19:00
ggabrieli've just passed out19:00
amixpbI have ordered my phone, but i dont see it in the jolla site19:00
amixpbive sent mail to jolla too19:00
amixpbbut no mail back19:01
amixpb;P19:01
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amixpbis there a telephone number to reach?19:01
Pnuuamixpb: holidays are just over, there's bound to be some backlog19:01
amixpbi ordered mine on 2nd of January19:02
amixpbPnuu: is it still christmas hollidays in finland?19:02
Pnuuyesterday was day off19:02
attahtoday was probably the first day for a lot of people19:02
Pnuuyup19:02
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amixpbohh19:04
amixpbin norway we start to work on 2nd of January ;P19:04
mikmaso did we, but 6th was a day off19:05
amixpbohh19:05
amixpbwhy is 6th a day off?19:05
attah(sweden here) i of course assume that you take out a few vacation days..19:05
attahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28holiday%2919:06
Pnuuit's quite normal that people extend their holidays until over epiphany19:06
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AL13Nwth is epiphany19:06
AL13Nsounds like something religious19:06
Pnuuanother christian holiday..19:06
amixpbohh19:07
amixpbin norway its not an official holiday19:07
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attahtoo bad ;)19:07
amixpblearning something new19:07
mikmaeventho there are decreasing amount of christians in finland, we still like the holidays christians have :D19:07
mikmaal13n: it is19:07
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mikmaal13n: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28holiday%29   - 100% christian holiday19:08
AL13Nugh, christian dogs19:08
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amixpbinteresting19:09
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ottulonenmikma: how many "christian holidays" are actually originally christian? ;)19:10
amixpbNorway got only 17th of May as an extra holiday. Rest is Christian type of holidays, but 6th isnt counted into it. Krmt!19:10
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mikmaal13n: 21:07 <mikma> eventho there are decreasing amount of christians in finland, we still like the holidays christians have :D19:10
* AL13N was baptized catholic :-S19:10
Pnuuottulonen: not many :-D19:10
AL13Nmikma: well christian holidays are really just something that existed before and they needed to have all holidays christian holidays19:11
Pnuueven the mid-summer fest (juhannus) was claimed by the church as the birthday of john the babtist :-D19:11
AL13Nbtw: i want nickname tab completion for comments: https://together.jolla.com/question/11673/nick-autocompletion-in-together/19:11
amixpbPnuu: Does Jolla got telephone support at all?19:11
Pnuuamixpb: no idea19:11
amixpbI dont find anything on their site about that19:11
mikmaottulonen: don't know, can't tell :D19:11
late88Is there a command to turn on/off the loudspeaker in jolla or is there anything in command line i could try?19:12
AL13Namixpb: well, i assume people can call with it?19:12
amixpb:))19:12
amixpbi mean customer service over the phone?19:12
AL13Nlate88: something pulseaudio maybe?19:12
mikmaeroakirkosta.fi statistics porn: http://www.eroakirkosta.fi/static/ek-tilastot/kkpalkit.png19:12
AL13Nlate88: pacmd might help you out, though you'll have to read up on some stuff19:12
mikmaresignations from church years/months19:12
late88main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.19:13
late88pid.c: daemon already running,19:14
AL13Nlate88: ah, are you root or user?19:14
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late88was root.19:14
amixpbI am very interested to see if Jolla phone works with MorphOS though19:14
amixpb:)19:14
AL13Nlate88: you ran pulseaudio? or "pacmd" ?19:14
late88pulseaudio.19:15
AL13Nlate88: check first with ps auxf to see under what user pulseaudio deamon is running?19:15
AL13Npulseaudio starts a server19:15
AL13Npacmd gives you stuff to see what's going on19:15
AL13Nanyway, if it's a system pulseaudio, then you need to be root, if it's nemo, you need to be nemo, etc...19:16
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AL13NZotan: did you hack a samba server?19:17
AL13Nto go on IRC?19:17
amixpbNo one knows if Jolla Ltd got phone support?19:18
late88AL13N, the list is very long, isn't there a search?19:18
AL13Nlate88: maybe | less or |more helps you out, or |grep or something19:18
* AL13N doesn't have a phone, but pacmd controls everything pulseaudio and thus can tell if volumes are muted or disconnected, or should even have volume levels and such, i just mostly used the GUI tools19:19
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late88AL13N, i'm sorry, can't find anything about pulseaudio on the list19:21
ZotanAL13N: ?19:22
AL13NZotan [~smb@2001:8b0:cacf:efd9:224:beff:fed7:236b] entered the room19:22
AL13Nsmb is the local username (normally)19:22
AL13Nif someone hacks a smb server and uses it to go on IRC, they will typically be listed as such19:23
ZotanAL13N: That is my local username :-)19:23
AL13NZotan: you should make sure it doesn't clash with samba username (if you have samba, that is)19:23
clauhmm, currently any installed app can read my emails from ~/.qmf? :\19:24
Stskeepslate88: if you after a reboot have that test failed, you should take it to care@jolla.com19:24
ZotanI use it on most of my boxes and never had a problem, I'll bear it in mind for future machines though.19:24
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AL13NZotan: that's fine, just keep in mind that if there's a samba service running under your user, people might have access to your personal files19:25
late88Stskeeps, ok. Will try.19:25
AL13NStskeeps: odd one: Zotan [~smb@2001:8b0:cacf:efd9:224:beff:fed7:236b19:26
AL13Nargh19:26
late88Any clue what is the cause?19:26
AL13Nsorry19:26
AL13NStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/11715/sms-from-bank-not-arriving/ <-- this seems odd19:26
nibbleris the sender number a number or text?19:27
PeperJohnnynibbler: text with number19:27
AL13Nlol, you're here19:27
PeperJohnnyAL13N: yeah =)19:27
nibblersome banks use stuff like their name as sender id instead of a MSISDN19:28
AL13Nbtw: is the number special, like *# in it?19:28
late88Stskeeps, test failed again. I'm sick and tired of this...19:28
Stskeepslate88: okay, then it smells like a HW problem.19:28
PeperJohnnylet me check19:28
nibblerwhich might cause the message to get discarded (just speculating, i don't know anything about the actual code invoved and if there is a reason why just messages with numbers as sender id may show up)19:29
nibblerbut that's the first thing that comes to my mind when i look at the issue.19:29
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mfulzI've read about tohd and power consumption19:29
late88Stskeeps, out of nowhere? In middle of IMTONE, the sound just stopped halfway.19:29
mfulzwhat is the service actually doing?19:29
mfulzand what drawbacks will I have when disabling?19:29
AL13Nit manages TOH (iow: The Other Half)19:30
AL13Nmfulz: it's not recommend to mask it19:30
Stskeepslate88: if you boot up, nothing else has booted up, volume is full and sounds are enabled, and you fail the speaker test in the test tool, it's smelling quite badly like a HW issue19:30
AL13Nmfulz: some people have noted strange effects19:30
mfulzah ok19:30
AL13Nmfulz: but no conclusive evidence if it's really related19:30
late88Stskeeps,  I'm afraid so. So dissapointed right now. Gladly I still have my N9.19:31
AL13Nmfulz: but, devs know of the tohd.service problem and will be fixing it19:31
mfulzok thanks19:31
AL13Ni've seen people who were content with battery life and prefer not to fiddle with it19:31
Stskeepslate88: sadly there'll always be problems of this caliber, i hope they'll confirm the same thing in service19:31
late88But thanks to all anyway for the help, I'm off.19:32
late88Last question, the Jolla care is accessible in DNA store?19:32
Stskeepsdid you buy it from DNA store?19:32
Stskeepsor from website19:33
late88#48.19:33
Stskeepsare you in helsinki?19:33
late88yes.19:33
Stskeepscontact optima service perhaps19:33
late88i was 48/450.19:33
late88ok, thanks.19:33
mfulzanyone knows when the exclusive half is send out?19:33
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mikmamfulz: um, afaik people who were eligible already got it?19:34
AL13Nno, there was a series where people got a note saying that the LE TOH would be sent at a later date19:35
attahmikma, mfulz: I think they ran out of them.. so some did, and some have yet to receive theirs19:35
AL13Nin the later stages of the preorder19:35
mfulzattah: ah ok thanks19:35
mikmale toh :D19:35
PeperJohnnySorry my n900 won't start, and i cannot find the number :/19:36
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attahTOH with 'scope and logic analyzer.. win or fail?19:39
jake9xxwin of course19:39
mikmafail, needs more K.I.T.T. scanner19:39
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Pnuumikma: enhanced LED notifications!19:40
Pnuublack KITT TOH woud rock :-D19:40
mikmamm mm mmmmm, pulsing red19:40
Pnuuwould*19:40
ShadowJKheh, ToH Larson Scanner is like "My very first homemade TOH" type thing :)19:41
mikmaKITT TOH! change of ambience + sounds + led behaviour, also, smooth black surface19:41
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mikmaunlock the phone? Hello Michael.19:41
mikmaswipe between screens? scanner sound19:41
AL13Npics or it didn't happen19:41
amixpbNo one knows if Jolla Ltd got phone support?19:43
mikmai'm afraid it didn't happen :/19:43
amixpb:)19:43
mikma0800-jolla19:43
mfulzI want a fix for the connman *grrr*19:43
amixpb??19:43
attahamixpb: i'll go with "no"19:43
mfulz0800-jolla LOL19:44
Nicd-Stskeeps: did every box in the first 450 have a hand-written thanks note?19:44
anonfriese_humm, my very first homemade toh? does sticking wireless-charging receiver into the standard-toh count?19:44
PnuuI'm thinking of solarTOH19:44
anonfriese_tricorder-toh would rock ;)19:45
AL13NShadowJK: lemme rephrase: "pics or it didn't happen"19:45
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ljpmfulz: what do you mean 'fix for the connman'?19:45
mfulzI opened a report at together19:45
mfulzsec19:45
mikmastardate 21563.12, today we encountered a new species.19:45
mfulzhttps://together.jolla.com/question/11324/bug-connman-openvpn/19:46
AL13Namixpb: perhaps you could order functionality, they can give you a quote19:46
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msknightStskeeps, you around?19:47
Quuwoop 40019:47
msknightStskeeps, you around?19:48
mikmagonna keep on asking that every minute?19:49
msknightI might do.19:49
mikmago ahead19:49
msknightI only asked twice, and you weighed in.19:49
Pnuuym. "I might do-while loop"19:49
msknightWell, how about an I-might-not-do loop.19:49
AL13NPnuu: how much sleep?19:49
mikmasure, that needed to be asked twice. in a minute19:49
msknightWell, you can relax.19:50
mikmaah the warm feeling19:50
mikmawhoops, brb19:50
msknightOnce I've passed my last post to Stskeeps  that's the last you'll see of me on here19:50
PnuuAL13N: I prefer > 10 h/night ;-D19:50
AL13Nlol @ mikma19:50
AL13NPnuu: hahaha19:50
msknightscrew it - someone pass this to Stskeeps  - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=223 - I'm gone.19:51
AL13Nmsknight: i sense you're angry... (if that is at all possible in IRC)19:51
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AL13Nyes19:51
FiSHNuTZindeed19:51
Stskeeps.. was putting my kid to sleep19:52
mikmastskeeps: this dude called msknight asked us to pass you the info that he likes bananas19:53
amixpbI have ordered my phone19:53
amixpbbut its not listed in My Orders19:53
faenilmikma, it's a she btw (afaik)19:54
Pnuuseems so19:54
Pnuuin a way19:55
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mikmafaenil: even better, she likes the bananas :D19:55
AL13Nwell, her points are a bit valid though19:55
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mfulzlol19:55
AL13Nafaict it's a collection of bugs that are acknowledged19:56
AL13Nit might make her life harder than it was, that's probably true19:56
mikmawell she can always install ubuntu in when it's ready19:58
Pnuuhmm, she says that people title the posts in tjc badly, which true, but she also got pissed off when clarifying the titles :-P19:58
HtheB_afkis it me or is the proximity sensor crap?19:59
HtheB_afkin low light, it works very bad...19:59
mikmaanyone seen the viru valge -humor picture?19:59
mikma"noobs can't handle the power"19:59
mikmareminds me of the picture, that post19:59
pdanekIs here any fan of Mailpile?20:00
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ljpHtheB_afk: I havent noticed anything like that20:01
AL13NPnuu: she also said that people don't search properly, (though in their defence the search isn't that well)20:01
HtheB_afkSeriously, in my house, I have led light20:01
AL13NPnuu: also, she could've just comment if she thought it wasn't duplicate, i did once and it got reverted too20:02
HtheB_afkand somehow, it doesnt the screen doesnt go back on again once i've put the phone to my ear20:02
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AL13NPnuu: IMHO, communication is both ways, and she's too polite which means she's bottling up her communication, which now explodes20:02
Pnuuyup20:03
Pnuuand that's happened atleast twice..20:03
AL13Nic20:03
AL13Nmaybe after using her S2 for a while will she miss Jolla20:03
AL13Nand by then perhaps some of the bugs are fixed20:03
AL13Nthough i expect a lot of bugs to be fixed by march (in probably various updates)20:04
AL13Nwe'll see20:04
AL13Ni wonder if my phone will get the stock 1.0.0.5 or the 1.0.2.520:05
AL13Ndue to arrive in a few weeks20:05
ottulonenI'd expect it to be the latest available at the time of shipping20:05
mfulzhm there are definitly some valid points but honestly: It was clear from the beginning that the phone is not mature in that way and that jolla (as company) will have a ressource issue as well20:05
AL13Nottulonen: i don't agree20:06
AL13Nmfulz: otoh, sailfishos is BETA20:07
AL13Nit says so clearly everwhere20:07
mfulzyep20:07
mfulzthat's what I mean20:07
ottulonenthere's this issue about what people think is best for them and what actually is best for them20:07
AL13Nottulonen: it might make sense both ways, the first stock is probably the best QA, so it might make sense to ship that20:07
AL13Nottulonen: good point20:07
ottulonenlike, Jolla people can put in several people to keep the community at bay answering each question with non-answers20:07
mfulzand from my point it's working very good and did fulfill all my expectations20:08
ottulonenor, optionally, have those people working on fixing the issues :)20:08
AL13Nottulonen: that's the problem with open source like this... users don't often know what is best for them, they ask weird things which they think is better, but if they got it, they would want to go back20:08
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ottulonenbest thing about oss: you can always tell them to modify it to their liking, since it's open :P20:08
mikmaal13n: i've seen this couple of times: "I love my N9 because of the stats displayed on the screen when it's off, also the clock is a must."20:09
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AL13Ntrue, but atm, we 're half open, which means some things users (who never will do any work) do request stuff20:09
ottulonenof course20:09
AL13Nmikma: i'm sure in due time someone makes an app for that somehow20:09
AL13Nmikma: the problem is that the people complaining are none of the devs20:10
mikmaal13n: most likely, if they don't care about the battery20:10
mikmaal13n: that's because the dev's might know better, lol20:10
AL13Nit is possible20:11
AL13Nor maybe internally they have tried it, and reverted it20:11
AL13Nin any case, i'm not too worried, we'll get there eventually20:11
AL13Nit's just that in this kind of society people are really impatient20:11
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mikmaal13n: well, they might also know that the current display is not suitable for that :P it ain't amoled which is pretty much a must20:11
Pnuuyup, was going to say the same :-)20:12
AL13Nwell, everything has it's advantages and disadvantages20:12
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AL13Nand for some people prefer the one over the other20:12
AL13Nnoone will be "content"20:12
mikmaexactly20:12
mikmathey are so used to it that they can't live without it20:12
mikmabut in my case, i use my phone to a) talk to other people, b) ssh + irssi, c) take pictures / videos of my work20:13
mikmathat's all i need. i propably sent like 1 mms last year with my samsung galaxy s3 mini20:13
AL13Nwell, i have a "real" phone (that's broken)20:14
Pnuussh+irss/mutt, web, sms, talk, and when the update comes occasional mms20:14
AL13Nand i'm looking for a portable device in the offchance that i need to do some maintance on my server20:14
mikmaoh, and after wife forced me to install whatsapp i pretty much stopped using mms20:14
AL13Nanyway, this has great potential, open environment, collaboration, this can be great20:15
mikmaand it's not samsung20:15
amixpbIs there any yellow pages in Finland?20:15
amixpbwhere i can search companies20:15
amixpbfor free?20:15
mikmaamixpb: try http://www.fonecta.fi/20:15
AL13Namixpb: lol, you're really gonna go bothering them20:16
mikmait's former "keltaiset sivut" = yellow pages20:16
amixpbAL13N: i am norwegian20:16
amixpbwe live for bothering20:16
amixpb:)20:16
amixpbif things get a bit slow20:16
amixpbhehe20:16
mikmaamixpb: thanks for the cheap airline20:16
pp_finder.fi too20:16
AL13Nwell, that was easy to find20:17
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AL13Nthough i suspect noone is at the office, unless something like RIOT-ON! is going on :-)20:18
pp_financials too!20:18
amixpbmikma: Norwegian airline?20:18
AL13Npp_: :-)20:18
mikmahaha20:18
mikmathat's so epic20:18
pp_(great for spying around, shame you have to wait for the annual reports to be public)20:18
mikmaamixpb: yeap. norwegian.com20:18
amixpbhehe20:18
amixpbthey have lots of angry people now20:18
mikmai heard20:19
AL13Nlol, there's a "Captain Shop" in helsinki20:19
amixpbas their long distance flights have lots of problems20:19
amixpbso norwegians complain20:19
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amixpbif i dont get my product or i get any info about my product20:19
amixpbi rather call20:19
mikmaamixpb: they should be thankful because of the free wifi at airplanes20:19
PnuuI'm flying with norwegian on thursday..20:19
AL13Namixpb: i assume you emailed care@ ?20:20
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AL13Nalright20:20
AL13Ntime to go to sleep20:20
amixpbyes20:21
amixpbi have20:21
amixpband its taken them over 5 days20:21
amixpbno replies20:21
mikmaamixpb: wanna guess are they a tad busy? ;)20:21
amixpbsure20:22
amixpbbut Amiga companies are busy too20:22
amixpbbut its easy to get in touch with them20:22
amixpb:)20:22
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mikmatry getting in touch with EA about their products20:22
amixpbhehe20:22
mikmalastly it took me a month to get refunded from my BF4 preorder20:22
mikma"it's taken care of, wait 2 weeks"20:23
AL13Nwell, there's a big difference in huge companies with alot of people "busy" with whatever job they are trying to protect and a smaller company where everyone spends their free time on the product as well20:23
amixpbdo all of you have jolla phone now?20:23
AL13Nnope20:23
AL13Na few weeks for me20:23
amixpbordered?20:23
mikmathe last one that chatted with me realized i had two orders and the first one was cancelled and second one wasn't20:23
artemmaWorried about Flashlight gathering or not gathering private stats - I typed long(ish) reply at maemo forums, go check it out - http://bit.ly/flashlight-stats Shortly: yep, app stats were collected, not anymore, think about what 100 of the other apps you installed *can* collect without any permission system whatsoever in Jolla20:23
AL13Namixpb: they said 3 a 4 weeks, so i'm only gonna start looking at mid-Januari20:24
fk_lxartemma: hehe20:24
mikmaartemma: you need to calm down :D20:24
amixpbAL13N: yes. lets see20:25
artemmabelieve me, guys, I am calm enough :)20:25
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Stskeepsartemma: thanks, i'll take a look20:25
fk_lxI think the other side shouldn't be calmed up20:25
mikmaartemma: if you've had NSA phone before, this is old stuff20:25
fk_lxoh, it looks like other side spotted the post20:25
fk_lx:-020:25
artemmathat is more of a marketing opportunity and a good cause to request the Apple security model via the crowd amplifier :)20:25
AL13Nartemma: this is why proper isolation is something that needs to be on the roadmap20:26
* artemma was crying for apple-like permissions before the public device launch, still nothing there20:26
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artemmato be honest, I am not sure apple-like limitation is even easily possible to add to Sailfish20:26
mikmaartemma: good thing you didn't typo the flashlighter as fleshlighter20:26
artemmayou know, its basis: Mer and Nemo were not rally built with public app stores in mind, IMHO20:27
artemmamikma: I was trying to type correctly, yes :)20:27
AL13Nartemma: i donno, dbus calls could be secured, which would probably close alot of holes20:27
mikmabecause being the top fleshlighter of finland is not a nice title to own20:27
AL13Nmaybe some kind of stuff needs to be contributed to nemo itself...20:28
mikmaal13n: go to bed20:28
AL13Nyeah, that's better20:28
Stskeepsmikma: keep it down a bit will you?20:28
artemmaI doubt it fits into Mer/Nemo philosophy easily, but that's only my speculation, no real knowledge20:28
mikmastskeeps: don't make me write a hate post for you20:29
AL13Nartemma: i believe it should be possible, just run apps cgrouped, isolate by dbus calls and possibly run different user, then have policykit (systemd) do the securing20:29
mfulz:)20:29
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AL13NO_o20:29
artemmaYou know for me Flashlight is a primary marketing vehicle (to feel cool for being famous and first), so I am motivated to opposite sides simultaneously: I want usage numbers and I want app to be/feel fast and clean :)20:29
Stskeepssorry, this guy was going to be more trouble as we went along20:30
artemmaI guess it means I should work more on making Mixpanel usage seamless and easy20:30
AL13NStskeeps: just to be sure, when he said "mikma: al13n: go to bed" it's because i had earlier announced i was going to bed...20:30
StskeepsAL13N: yes, yes, wasn't the trigger20:30
AL13NStskeeps: that's probably not going to be the reason20:30
artemmaBTW, do you know if it's possible to detect if network connection is up?20:30
artemmastats package shouldn't put connection up just for itself, it can wait until connection is up anyway20:31
Stskeepsalso, msknight's worries were reasonable, not sure why she wanted to get in touch with me specificially - i'm not always around but feel free to leave messages20:31
AL13NStskeeps: yes, that's how i felt it too20:31
artemmareal trolls here? Wow, jolla becomes popular! %)20:32
AL13Nartemma: i don't have anything against stats as such, but maybe it should be up to the user...20:32
Stskeepswe have real old trolltech people too20:32
Stskeeps:P20:32
artemmaAL13N: I agree, informing is useful, I messed up with it20:32
AL13Nartemma: let's just say that if jolla decides defaults, i have no problem being it on by default20:32
artemmastill technical stats gathering should be painless20:32
AL13Nartemma: then we agree20:32
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artemmaHarmattan has had some special service that collected app wishes to go online within some 6 hrs or so and then they were all going to net together. Anything like this in Sailfish? Stskeeps maybe knows?20:33
AL13Njust if i don't want it to phone home, i dont want to :-)20:33
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AL13Nnow for real, i'm going to sleep20:35
mfulzgn820:35
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mf2hdHi all20:56
mf2hdmy friends phone is in boot loop, any ideas?20:57
Stskeepsmf2hd: well, it depends on what he did to it20:57
Stskeepsdid he do anything that may cause it to happen himself?20:58
Stskeepssuch as toying around a bit too much in developer mode20:58
mf2hdsaid that phone crashed when he was taking a photo20:58
RST38hHi, Stskeeps20:58
mf2hdbut nothing else20:58
StskeepsRST38h: happy new year!20:58
mf2hddeveloper mode is installed, but not used to more than ssh20:58
Stskeepsmf2hd: sadly there's nothing more to do than to get it in for service. we're doing our best to make this need for service a thing of the past for the next update(s)21:00
kehnoo_yeah, bt yet get coffee and black cover! :p21:01
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mf2hdok, just checking that it is not faulty filesystem or something similiar what i have had with n9 in the past21:01
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kehnoo_oh hello choppy 3G eating letters21:01
Stskeepsit is something that happened after the photo thing21:01
artemmamf2hd: I had it a couple of times. What helped was just waiting until reboot cycle is over and NOT starting any apps for a minute or so after reboot (though maybe it was not a fix, but a coincidence)21:02
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mf2hdhmm, could it be faulty file or something like that? I got my n9 user filesystem borked few times with rapid photo shot + slow fs i think21:02
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Stskeepsmf2hd: problem is that file system becomes unmountable21:03
mf2hdok, so my hunch was close whee :)21:03
mf2hd(my friend did not believe me :P)21:03
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mf2hdso reflashing would probably help but is it available yet?21:05
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Stskeepsit isn't, we're not able to provide factory images21:06
mf2hdok21:06
mf2hdso, thank you again, i'll pass the word :)21:06
mf2hdbye21:07
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sarkhStskeeps, are you still interested about systemboot.log:s considering random shutdowns? Shutdowns started before 1.0.2.5 and averages 3 times per day according to log + sometimes reboot loop after shutdown (removing battery helps)21:13
Stskeepssarkh: do you have problems with total shutdowns too?21:13
Stskeepsnot just reboots21:13
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sarkhrandom shutdown allways lefts the phone turned off, if that's what you mean by total21:14
Stskeepsah, i read reboot21:14
Stskeepssarkh: do you have a self-cut SIM?21:15
sarkhnope21:15
Stskeepsok21:15
Stskeepsany commonality in battery levels?21:15
Stskeepsor battery charging to a level so fast it doesn't make sense21:15
sarkhnever happen when connected to USB and usually not with almost full battery, below 70% it starts.. levels usually makes sense21:18
Stskeepssarkh: then yes, i'd like to see the systemboot.log too21:18
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sarkhok, I'll email it to you soon (already sent to zendesk on last Thursday but they seem to be too busy to answer)21:22
Stskeepsthey're a bit overburdened at the moment, best to just talk straight to us R&D guys21:22
Stskeepsor discuss on together.* since it's not really a personal care question21:23
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ccha4about jolla store, there is no display changlog ?21:54
ccha4there is new update for Tidings,... I want to view the changelog21:55
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barahi, did any of you have contact with jolla support this year?21:55
ccha4or for "IP Address" app21:55
ccha4there is an email for support21:55
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barai wonder if they are busy or my request got somehow lost21:56
Yanielccha4: I think there is a feature request for this on together.jolla.com21:57
elerouxbara: may I ask what is your concern?21:58
baraeleroux: i tried to order LE TOH with my coupn code, but the order is stuck on  waiting for payment, now the code is invalid21:59
barasomeone from jolla needs to reset it...22:00
elerouxbara: ok, so you have a zendesk ticket opened, correct?22:03
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barayes eleroux, since 29.12.22:05
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MarkusAhi, can anyone tell me estimated delivery time of Jolla phone?22:07
Yanielon what area?22:07
MarkusAFinland22:07
Yaniela couple of days once shipped?22:08
elerouxbara: give them a little more time, Monday 6.1 was a holiday in Finland FYI...22:08
Yanielhow much time between order and actual shipment I don't know22:08
MarkusAyeah postal shipment is not problem, i'm wondering how long from order to shipping.22:09
MarkusAi would need one by end of this month.22:09
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Yanielwhat is your order status?22:09
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MarkusAnone yet, just trying to order.22:10
barathanks eleroux, didn't know 6.1. was a holiday22:10
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Yanielit has varied a lot22:10
ccha4does someone use Tidings application ?22:12
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joonahoiMarkusA: will you be able to pick one up from dna store?22:14
ccha4do you have the display bug for example with engadget about the fixed position bar ?22:14
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MarkusAjoonahoi, i'll try this week.22:43
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AlmAckccha4: in full view? yes I have the same problem with the engadget bar23:40
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skvarkheh, just found perfectly fitting solar panel from my junk box -> connected to Jolla -> battery is charging :D23:46
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artemmaAnybody else has unanswerable black screens when jolla is trying to receive a call? https://together.jolla.com/question/11895/cannot-pickup-call-black-screen-with-few-flashes-of-proper-screen-sometimes/23:50
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zbenjaminartemma: i had this once , but didn'T happen again23:54
* artemma had it like 3 times23:54
artemmaout of 10 calls maybe - /me doesn't get too many calls :)23:55
VenemoI never had that issue23:55
zbenjaminalso i have the problem that the phone unlocks way too easy in a pocket23:55
Venemobut voting up nevertheless - phone app is important to be stable23:55
artemmait *might* be related to power/volume button being pressed while phone is ringing. Always or almost always it happened when phone was in the pocket initially23:56
artemmaVenemo: thanks!23:56
* artemma thinks the power of open community is in helping vendors solve my problems :)23:56
YanielI've had the ambience favourites resetting to snow white and the first one a couple of times now23:58
valdur55hack - more landscape mode:   sed -i "s/allowedOrientations: Orientation.Portrait/allowedOrientations: Orientation.All/" /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml23:58
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