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bennypr0fanehello, does anyone happen to have a fastmail account? or else, have you experienced scrolling issues in Sailbro on specific sites, where you can't scroll up or down?01:34
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bennypr0faneI'd like to find out whether it's actually a problem specific to that webmail site or there's the same thing going on in others01:35
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bennypr0faneoooh, it's getting better02:04
bennypr0fanenow scrolling works, but links don't02:04
bennypr0faneit's not reacting to any taps02:04
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TSCHAKMachow can I tell media player to re-scan all the music?03:26
TSCHAKMaconly some of my mp3 and ogg media are being picked up03:26
TSCHAKMacvery strange03:26
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TSCHAKMac(on my sdcard)03:27
* TSCHAKMac had to symlink my music sdcard into the Music folder on my phone…very strange03:29
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QuuTSCHAKMac: probably not configured to search the sdcard music folder. and probably not easy way to change the confs07:33
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thedead1440__Just out of curiosity isn't there something like user-dirs.conf somewhere in /home/nemo/ for users to put the dirs for tracker to index?07:39
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Quumaybe, havent checked07:40
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* thedead1440__ has no Jolla so can't check... 07:45
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anacronwould be nice to know, I just had to symlink my pictures folder so android apps can find it07:54
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Namerhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=14066736108:19
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tachikomamoin08:22
tachikomai love my battery runtime on jolla08:22
Morpog_Jollawhile i love it, i haze it that i get no messages or notifications08:23
tachikomacharged on friday to 100% went home, used it for listening to music, occasionally googling something, a few phone calls. Now on monday morning it's still at 21% battery charge08:23
Morpog_Jollaor hoirs later08:23
Morpog_Jollahours08:23
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tachikomawell i see a lot of issues, but it's working good enough for me right now and I assume these problems to be resolved over time08:24
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tachikomabtw. has anyone else the problem with the jolla store not working anymore after the last update?08:41
ln-when was the last update?08:41
tachikomasome time ago, i just did not start the shop app rcently until on this weekend08:43
tachikomahttp://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/27/sailfish-os-2nd-full-update-1-0-2-5/08:44
tachikomai think it's this one08:44
Plnttachikoma: there are workarounds for that if you have developer mode enabled08:44
Nicd-hehe, I check the store for new apps every day :P08:44
tachikomaPlnt: yeah, i know, using pkcon / zypper works fine :)08:44
Plntah :)08:44
tachikomathats also why i did not realize earlier it's broken ;)08:45
Plnt:))08:45
tachikomaPlnt: are you from cz?08:45
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Plnttachikoma: yep08:45
* tachikoma <- chuller ;)08:46
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ggabrielhi there08:49
mornfallhah, cz...08:49
mornfallI knew an rplnt in .cz once :p08:50
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Waiteehmm09:02
Waiteeseems my windows doesnt find jolla for some reason through usb09:02
Stskeepswhat do you want to try to do? MTP or USB networking?09:04
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WaiteeStskeeps: just to sync my photos to my pc09:07
Waiteerunning win809:07
Stskeepsshooould work09:08
Waiteeyeah i know09:08
Waiteeit did a couple of weeks ago when i last tried09:08
Waiteenow it says connected and sync etc09:09
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Waiteeand a couple of seconds after that "charging"09:09
Waiteehmm09:09
Waiteegotta try another usb port09:09
Waiteenope09:09
Stskeepsusb 2.0 or 3.0 ports?09:11
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Waiteetried both09:11
Waiteejust charging09:11
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Waiteeany ideas?09:17
Stskeepscheck usb mode in settings09:17
Waiteealways ask09:18
Waiteewhen i connect i choose pc connection09:18
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Waiteenever mind09:22
Waiteelecture in half an hour ->09:22
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mornfallHmm. Is Harbour QA outsourced?10:06
pdanekmornfall: y, to India10:08
mornfallI mean more like Tieto.10:08
pdanek:) jk10:08
mornfallFigures.10:08
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mornfallWell, my approval was signed by someone who appears to work for Tieto on mobile phone QA, coincidentally in my country.10:09
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Dima^god.. I've reseted my jolla. And now it shows me that 1.0.2.5 update available, but I can't update10:27
HtheBJonni: hi10:27
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Dima^Selecting "Update device" doesn't do anything10:28
vesqu_and you are connected to wlan?10:29
tbrDima^: what is the version shown in settings?10:29
tbrDima^: how much free disk space does settings show?10:30
Dima^1.0.0.510:30
Dima^13GB free10:30
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tbrok, then just make sure your network connection is good10:30
Dima^it is10:30
tbryour jolla account is enabled?10:30
Dima^yes10:30
tbris developer mode on?10:34
Dima^off10:34
tbrtry switching it on10:34
Dima^ok10:34
Dima^still no luck10:36
tbris developer mode on?10:37
leinirhmm... ok, so does anybody but me use their jolla to stream music while the device is connected to a bluetooth speaker/headset?10:38
leinirbecause i've found that if i do that over wifi, it keeps dropping the stream... which doesn't happen on mobile data10:38
leinirso, bus bandwidth issue?10:38
tbrI have an A2DP headset, but rarely do so10:38
Dima^dev mod is on10:38
tbrsounds like a problem in BT-wifi-coexistence10:39
tbrDima^: ok, reboot device, connect by USB, chose developer mode, ssh into the device10:39
Dima^will try this after couple hour, have to go now10:40
leiniryeah... which is just slightly disappointing, given that's one of my primary use cases - do it every morning when i have a shower ;)10:40
leiniroh well, at least i have unlimited data, so it's not a massive issue, really :)10:40
tbrI have a similar problem on my Nexus7-2013. The audio is all choppy unless I switch to the cellular modem10:41
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tillleinir I have a bluetooth headset and the connection drops regularly during a call10:42
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tbrthat never happens to me10:42
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ballockseems that calls to use a different range than the bt/wifi shared 2.4GHz10:43
ballockDoes the wifi in Jolla support 5GHz for wifi?10:44
tillI'm using a plantronics ml 2010:44
tillbut it works fine with my other phones (symbian and blackberry)10:44
vesqu_if can change channel by your wifi AP thats maybe do something10:44
tbrballock: no, only 13cm band10:45
tbrbt uses hopping, so it shouldn't be a problem, but I don't remember if there are channels that don't overlap with BT10:45
vesqu_no same ara both10:50
vesqu_but if problem occurs morning, do not use microwave same time :)10:50
tbryeah, µ~ ovens are a terrific source of high power wide band noise on 13cm10:52
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ccha4Is it possible to change android sound volume ?10:58
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ccha4right now it's pretty low11:01
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narchiethe more I use my phone the more I find odd bugs11:23
narchiefor instance the camera won't start suddenly11:23
AL13N_workgoddamn bastards11:23
narchieexactly11:24
AL13N_workmy phone provider closed off my account and freed up my number11:24
Pnuuif you have dev mode enabled, you can get hints from the logs11:24
PnuuAL13N_work: well that's nice :-P11:24
AL13N_worknow, i've lost 20EUR + my number11:24
ballockAL13N_work: wha, didn't pay them for like 6 months?11:24
AL13N_workyes11:24
AL13N_worksince my phone broke, i still got some money left11:25
AL13N_workwithout any sort of notification whatsoever11:25
narchielets see11:25
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narchiesomething wrong with the launcher11:26
AL13N_workStskeeps: in other words, the dialer not working is not jolla fault, it's the provider11:27
narchieoh well11:29
AL13N_workAard: alterego: ^^ so no need to look into this any further (except for the unknown SS message)11:31
AardAL13N_work: nice providers you have over there :)11:31
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Venemomorning12:04
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stephgmorning12:08
stephgwell afternoon12:09
ballock'cause nobody is mourning in the afternoon...12:09
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AL13N_lappyanyone else want openpvn systemd service? https://together.jolla.com/question/17465/i-want-an-openvpn-systemd-service/12:23
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fluxrelated, I just put these here: http://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla/openvpn/ (program to reload openvpn when a link comes up and some unit files)12:36
fluxotherwise openvpn can be quite annoying when switching from 3g to wlan and vice versa :)12:36
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AL13N_workflux: since i already have the patch, you can just rpm-rebuild that and install it :-)12:47
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AL13N_workbtw: if you use UDP, it doesn't really matter what the gateway is and it'll just reconnect12:48
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fluxhmm, didn't use to be the case before, I should try again :)12:49
flux(I probably didn't even try with Jolla, but with N900, which probably had different networking rules)12:49
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fluxor maybe I did use TCP that day..12:50
fluxal13n_work, but that can only work to one direction or depends on having keepalives12:50
fluxif you have nothing to say to the peer then you won't hear what the peer says12:50
AL13N_workmy openvpn has keepalives12:52
fluxsure, but if you have keepalives often enough for the transition to be fluent, you are killing the battery12:52
fluxiirc I have 5 minute keepalives12:52
AL13N_workic12:53
AL13N_workbut keepalive isn't all that big, right?12:53
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AL13N_workit's not much different then just pining?12:53
AL13N_work*pinging?12:53
fluxyeah, it's basically just pinging12:54
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fluxbut if you wanted to have such a fluent transition as an actual notification can give you, you would need to ping every minute..12:54
AL13N_workbesides, you're not gonna have openvpn tunnels on at all times12:54
fluxI dare claim it will kiill your battery :)12:54
fluxI do have my openvpn open at all times12:54
fluxwell, barring some power saving modes of jolla..12:54
dschoepeMy wifi passphrase is too long to input before my jolla scans for available networks again. is there some way to add a network from the terminal (ssh via USB works)?12:54
AL13N_workyou can edit the connman profiles12:56
fluxin principle it's nice to have it open at all times. for example I was able to use n900's openvpn over 3g for establishing that indeed, I had forgotten the mobile to the car :) (ssh in, some python, retrieve gps coordinates)12:56
flux(but it doesn't seem like this would work for jolla, for some reason it doesn't always react to 3g/wlan before I hit the power button and get the lock screen)12:56
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narchiethis just in13:00
narchiesystem update available13:00
narchie... or is 1025 bugging me agin13:00
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narchieit is /_\13:00
Nicd-:(13:00
narchiemuch sad13:01
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Dima^allright..13:35
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Dima^lets find out why my jolla wont update to 1.0.2.513:36
Dima^any advices?13:36
supauliyou are not signed in to jolla account?13:36
Dima^yes13:36
Dima^also seems that Jolla Store wont open13:37
Dima^something wrong in repositories?13:37
supauli<- dont have phone in hand, maybe somebody other can confirm if the store works for them13:38
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joonahoiit works13:39
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vesqu_check ssu domain13:40
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Dima^sales13:43
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osatonDima^, if i remember correctly that happens if you update some of the essentials (clock, clendar etc) and close store before updating to 1.0.2.5.13:49
Dima^osaton: I found with "ssu s" command that release is actually 1.0.2.513:49
Dima^running now "pkcon refresh"13:50
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tbrtry 'version --dup'13:50
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tbrthat should take care of any outstanding updates13:50
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Dima^this seems todo the same thing as "pkcon refresh"13:51
tbryes, it first does a refresh13:52
tbrbut then it takes care of upgrades13:52
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Dima^ok13:52
Dima^lets wait again then13:52
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Dima^tbr: version --dup did not help14:46
Dima^rebooted, but there is still 1.0.0.514:46
Dima^in About product14:46
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tbrdid you see any error messages?14:54
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artemmatwo days since Quick Launcher was submitted to harbour.. waiting..15:11
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fluxhas anyone packages lighttpd for jolla yet?15:16
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Dima^tbr: none15:21
tbrDima^: no idea then, maybe sailors can help15:22
Dima^Jolla Store wont run also15:22
tbrflux: chances might be better on #sailfishos. Is there a RPM spec for it already in any distro by chance?15:22
Dima^it shuts every time when I try to open it15:23
tbrDima^: might make sense to just do another factory reset?15:23
tbrand then don't install any apps from store, just do the upgrades15:23
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fluxtbr, I imagine there would be15:24
PnuuDima^: did you update any apps before trying the upgrade?15:24
Pnuuor, did you enable the developer updates?15:24
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tbrflux: looks like it was once built against nemo: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=lighttpd&project=home%3Aaard%3Amerde15:25
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tbrhihi15:26
tbryes, your home repo15:26
Dima^Pnuu: I've just installed app that jolla offers me while settin up accounts15:26
Dima^after this notifiction about update came15:27
artemmaslaps.. heh, where are good old times with the throut? And other scripts too15:27
Dima^Pnuu: nope, no dev updates15:27
Dima^current domain is Sales15:28
Pnuugreat15:28
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Pnuujust a sec, I'm diggin together15:28
tbrartemma: they stay on quakenet I hear, and that's why I don't connect there.15:28
Dima^Why in "About product" there is 1.0.0.5 and in "ssu s" Release: 1.0.2.515:29
Aardprobbaly should find time to get that building again15:29
Aardoriginally that was packaged for meego :)15:29
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PnuuDima^: check if "pkmon" shows something being downloaded15:30
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PnuuDima^: if not, maybe this will help: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-crashes-unable-to-update-system/#post-id-385515:31
artemmaHarbour tells there are 10 apps submitted a day. Is testing procedure that long that it makes for 3+ days queues? :/15:32
artemmajust wondering, really15:32
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Aardartemma: limited test resources + trying to take testing at least somewhat serious15:33
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artemmaAard: as far as I remember the queuing theory if inflow stays relatively constant and task length too, it means that you are actually testing each app for a couple of days15:34
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artemmainteresting15:34
Venemo_jhey15:34
Dima^Pnuu: let's try15:35
Aardartemma: the testers can do 'call backs' to developers in unclear cases before  deciding to reject or not, that takes a bit time15:35
TemeVor maybe they are trying to automate the testing http://xkcd.com/1319/15:35
TemeV:)15:35
fluxtbr, thanks, I'll take a look!15:37
Dima^Pnuu: omg, something happens :D15:37
tbrflux: basically you'd fork that into your OBS home project and build against sailfish, then resolve/track down all dependencies15:38
Dima^downloading an update15:38
PnuuDima^: yay :-)15:38
artemmaAard: one thing I noticed about Apple app store is that [almost] every next review seems to get faster. It feels like the developers/apps get some sort of "trust rating" and then routine upgrades for trusted apps get only minimal just-in-case review15:39
artemmaAard: just sharing15:39
Venemo_jbtw, what's up with USB hostmode on the jolla?15:41
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roborotalking of USB... can you use the USB port to connect other USB devices to the jolla?15:45
EztranThat's pretty much the same question, surely?15:46
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roborommm possibly... I thought that Venemo_j might have been referring to something else :)15:47
Dima^allright, now there is 1.0.2.5 and Store working also15:50
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PnuuDima^: great :-)15:52
Dima^thanks, pnuu15:52
Pnuuno prob15:52
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PnuuI've pasted that same link roughly 50 times.. ;-D15:53
Dima^:D15:57
Venemo_jroboro, Eztran, yep, that's my question too ;)15:58
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EztranIt's a pretty interesting one. Everyone was speculating about hostmode before the release, then everything went quiet when people got their devices :)15:59
mornfallright, what's the deal with hostmode? :)16:00
Pnuuexternal drives?16:00
mornfallwell, I mean it'd be useful, but I hear that the HW cannot do hostmode?16:01
Venemo_jlike, you connect a pendrive to your phone, or a printer, etc16:01
Venemo_jthe HW doesn't do USB OTG (confirmed), but not sure about hostmode16:01
Azogis there a way to see a list of all new packages in the store, maybe by date?16:02
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fluxazog, not yet, but it's been wished at together16:12
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tbrflux: if you need help, let me know16:15
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mornfallVenemo: by doesn't do OTG you mean it won't do any auto-sensing?16:27
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Venemomornfall: no, I mean the hw doesn't support OTG16:29
mornfallso what *is* OTG? :)16:29
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Eztranmornfall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go16:30
Venemohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_OTG16:30
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/16:30
EztranHeh, woops.16:30
VenemoEztran: you beat me16:30
mornfallI have that page open, and it's not clear to me what's the difference between otg and hostmode, other than the usb controller figuring out to switch into hostmode automatically.16:31
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mornfallObviously, the connector is not micro-AB.16:33
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Venemomornfall: basically OTG means (roughly) that the device can decide if it wants to be master or slave, depending on what you connected it to16:33
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mornfallVenemo: that's a long way to say "yes" on my original question (auto-sensing) :D16:34
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Venemomornfall: example: N900 hardware didn't support USB OTG; however it could be hacked to act as a USB host. but when host mode was enabled it could not act as a USB peripherial, just as a master16:35
mornfall(and even then, auto-sensing is really implemented by using a micro-AB connector and detecting whether A or B cable end is plugged in)16:35
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mornfallApparently, OTG also requires the OTG host to provide power on the bus, which I guess the Jolla can't do.16:36
EztranYup.16:37
mornfallSo maybe someone should explain that on together, re. why OTG is not possible.16:37
mornfall:-)16:37
EztranThe first answer kinda does. Sort of...16:38
Venemobecause the hw doesn't support it16:38
mornfallIt's obviously not clear what OTG actually means. :-)16:39
mornfallIn that question, anyway.16:39
EztranYeah, true. It's actually just a specification.16:39
AL13N_workdoesn't host mode require power too?16:40
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EztranAL13N_work: Yes, see above?16:40
VenemoAL13N_work: yes, unless you have a powered hub16:40
TemeVsome devices can act as host, but without power. You can use selfpowered devices with it16:40
mornfallAL13N_work: I think you have to use a powered hub to use non-OTG "hostmode".16:40
Venemoweren't you guys around in the N900 times?  :)16:41
mornfallVenemo: I never felt compelled to hook up USB devices to my N900. :-P16:41
EztranSo, with OTG out of the way as hardware cannot meet the spec, we're back to: what's the status of hostmode?16:42
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Venemowhy, everyone and their dog used USB peripherials with the N90016:42
Eztran'cause, well, that was the original question, and we haven't made much progress :)16:42
AL13N_worki thought i heard taht they were thinking of that16:42
Venemowhile my old laptop was at repair, I used the N900 for a full week to watch a series from a USB HDD16:43
artemmaVenemo: next time you will ask why people started web servers on N900 :D16:43
AL13N_work:-)16:43
Venemoit wasn't a question16:43
artemmaVenemo: because it's something nobody, but a cool geek can do - W-E-B S-E-R-V-E-R on a phone!!16:43
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EztranN900: 'Because You Can'. :)16:44
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Venemoartemma: actually, I can imagine cases when it was useful for some people :)16:45
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TemeVVenemo: could you tell us one? :)16:46
TemeVI can't imagine16:46
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Venemowhen you need a test server for a web app but you don't have a VPS16:46
Venemoor when you want to freaking say that you're running a web server on your phone16:47
PeperJohnnyI can't imagine the amout of work^^16:47
Venemothere is no work, you just install a bunch of packages and it works16:48
TemeVVenemo: the latter sounds valid, the first sounds quite rare case16:48
Venemoactually if my N900 would still work and I hadn't had anything better to do with it, I'd use it for that16:49
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EztranIt's a pretty good use for an old semi-dead device, really.16:49
Venemoyea, you see?16:49
TemeVwhy wouldn't I run it in e.g. virtual machine, why a phone16:50
TemeVwell, why not is ofcourse a good question also :)16:50
VenemoI said, when you don't have a VPS for this purpose16:50
TemeVwell, you could install virtual box and some linux there16:51
TemeVassuming you're not doing the development with the phone16:51
PeperJohnnyVenemo: Did someone had a mailserver on N900?16:51
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VenemoPeperJohnny: I'm unaware16:52
PeperJohnnyOk16:52
merlin1991TemeV: there was a wifi fast file sharing "app" that simply was a webserver on the n900 with a html form file upload16:54
merlin1991:D16:54
TemeVok, sounds legit :)16:55
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merlin1991iirc there was something similar for n9 aswell16:55
merlin1991yep http://thp.io/2012/serverr/16:55
TemeVcould be quite handy actually16:56
TemeVnot too secure though16:56
EztranIt's not really supposed to be, it's like a replacement for Bluetooth etc., but more effective.16:56
merlin1991well when you make it do ssl and digest auth it should be okish security wise16:56
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TemeVyeah, and if you enable it only when you need to transfer files16:57
TemeVand only in private wlan ofcourse16:58
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Venemo_jmeh17:31
Venemo_jmy jolla decided it doesn't want to play the alarm sound anymore17:31
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Yanielit wants a new one?17:40
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Venemo_jYaniel: it vibrates but does not play a sound when an alarm goes off17:50
Stskeepsi presume you enabled sounds?17:51
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Venemo_jStskeeps: yes17:53
Venemo_jI mean, it's not in silent mode and has the default alarm tune set17:54
Stskeepshmm17:54
Stskeepstry switch ambience, does it change?17:54
Venemo_jwill try when I get home. I have to rush off now17:55
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Quumaybe it has invalid soundfile?18:00
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VenemoStskeeps: you were right! the alarm thing was just a mistaken setting in the ambience19:47
jubo2So if I go to physical DNA kauppa tomorrow..19:48
jubo2I see and get to try the real thing ?19:48
Quumaybe19:48
jubo2I've never used any touch gesture UI19:48
Quudepending on store19:48
Quuoh19:48
Quuhehe19:48
jubo2So I'll be at home with Jolla19:48
jubo2Yeah yeah I know it's teh awesome interaction method with maps and web pages19:49
jubo2... touch gesture UI19:49
Venemojubo2: be sure to read the paper leaflet that they give in the box and go through the tutorial - the Jolla uses a lot of gestures in the OS19:49
jubo2Venemo: 'k ..19:49
jubo2I've heard I can has 16 virtual kbrds and the ones I need are in them19:50
jubo2western and cyrilic19:50
Venemojubo2: you will get used to it in no time and then it'll feel superb :)19:50
jubo2'k a keyboard dedicated to entering French would be very useful too19:50
Yanielapparently someone already made a japanese IME based on anthy already too :319:51
jubo2Venemo: Libre off-line dictionary ?19:51
Venemojubo2: I meant the gestures19:51
jubo2something under GFDL maybe..19:51
jubo2Venemo: I'm asking the next gesture. Does it come with off-line translation tools19:51
Yanielno dictionary/translation app yet19:52
jubo2the Russian kbrd isn't going to do shit for me if roaming costs umptytillionmillion RUB19:52
Yanielwell that is totally up to your operator/contract19:52
jubo2I'm not moving19:52
jubo2I've been with DNA for 13 yrs19:52
Waiteepoor you19:53
VenemoI've just found two dictionary apps in the store19:53
jubo2and besides the succkky Sonera doesn't offer Wussia, only nordic and baltic for flatrate19:53
Yanielis that like as long as they've existed?19:53
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Waiteei was with dna for less than a year and swapped back to saunalahti19:53
jubo2Yaniel: pretty much19:53
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jubo2they opened in Feb 2001, I got a subscription Apr 200119:53
jubo2jubo-jubo almost always on the side of the underdog(s)19:54
Venemowhat do you mean, underdogs?19:54
jubo2DNA originally == Peripherial phone associations venture into mobile19:54
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jubo2Venemo: you do not know of the opposites upper dog / under dog ?19:55
Quuwhats updog?19:55
jubo2How can you guys be this ignorant?.. jubo-jubo explain19:55
jubo2Dominant players are called "over dog"19:56
jubo2under dog == opposite of over dog19:56
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jubo2Jolla is confusing.. it's got that flank attack thing going with the ecosystem wars so it's hard to place20:00
jubo2hard to tell how strong it's position is20:01
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jubo2I guess I'll have to try it20:01
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bennypr0fanehello, does anyone happen to have a fastmail account? or else, have you experienced scrolling issues in Sailbro on specific sites, where you can't scroll up or down?  I'd like to find out whether it's actually a problem specific to that webmail site or there's the same thing going on in others20:06
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jubo2Found a new job I'm applying for.. Someone needs customer service person20:08
jubo2this is awesome.. I have experience in phone customer service in both domestic and my English is fluent20:09
jubo2It's for an international company20:09
jubo2and I'm happy doing customer service job20:09
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jubo2they want part-time, I want part-time and can work the EU office hours20:10
jubo2So it's a job I _must_ apply for20:10
jubo2all of this about jubo-juboxi seeking employment20:10
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jubo2it's quite the off-topic here and who'se gonna hire him..20:11
Yanielthis and more again on next week's jubo-special20:11
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Venemojubo2: no, what do you mean?20:13
jubo2Venemo: urr nick..20:13
jubo2reminds me of Maemo20:13
VenemoI was an N900 user20:14
jubo2I've a long time thought about it that it comes from fi."Maa-emo" == en."Mother Earth"20:14
Venemoso yes, you might've seen my nickname in #maemo in the old times :)20:14
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AL13Nanyone know why ffmpeg isn't on the device?20:35
tbrwhy would it?20:35
AL13Ngstreamer-ffmpeg isn't on tit20:36
AL13N*is on it20:36
tbrwhy would it?20:36
AL13Nbut ffmpeg itself isn't20:36
AL13Ntbr: but it is on it20:36
AL13Nthe second should be "why wouldn't it"20:36
tbrno20:36
AL13Nno?20:37
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AL13Ngstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl <-- installed20:37
tbrwhy would you need an application that nobody can use if you only need the library20:37
AL13Ncan't use the application?20:37
tbrffmpeg doesn't have a silica ui, does it?20:38
AL13Nffmpeg is only cli20:38
tbrsee20:38
tbrthere is no point for it to waste space20:38
AL13Nthat's like saying, oh you don't need vim20:38
tbrthis is not a desktop distro with n-thousand packages20:38
AL13Ntrue20:39
joonahoii actually tried using vim with fingerterm20:39
AL13Nso, there is no repository where ffmpeg is on it?20:39
joonahoiwon't try again20:39
AL13Njoonahoi: why not, i'm using it all the time20:39
tbrAL13N: no idea, you're free to build it if it isn't it and submit it to chum20:39
specialAL13N: 1) it's gst-ffmpeg, not the standalong libav libraries20:40
AL13Ntbr: i donno, i had expected it to be in mer-tools20:40
specialAL13N: 2) the codecs in that build are very limited, it is not a full copy of the library20:40
joonahoithat must have been some kind of terminal charset mismatch20:40
tbragain: why would it?20:40
AL13Nah20:40
joonahoiesc or shift or something generated some keycodes that weren't translated correctly20:40
specialAL13N: someone might have built ffmpeg or libav on build.merproject.org, there is nothing official20:40
joonahoiand the top bar that shows what you are currently typing didn't help20:40
AL13Njoonahoi: i didn't have any issues20:41
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* tbr uses vim over ssh on the device20:41
joonahoiyeah, mine was a borderline usage whatsoever, ssh -> xen dom0 -> xen console to domU20:41
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AL13Nerrr20:41
joonahoiit must have been xen console that fucked up my charset20:41
AL13Nxl console always does odd things with the terminfo20:42
joonahoiyup20:42
AL13Ni prefer using ssh to the machine itself20:42
joonahoime too, just didn't have a choice that time20:42
AL13Ntrue20:42
joonahoii was on the bus20:42
joonahoiand needed to do something quick20:42
joonahoiand the machine doesn't have sshd on20:43
AL13Nspeaking of, there is no hw virtualisation on the cpu, i'm guessing?20:43
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joonahoion the machine i was working on?20:45
AL13Njoonahoi: i meant on the jolla :-)20:46
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joonahoiheh20:46
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joonahoii don't think they would waste space for things like that20:46
tbrAL13N: was introduces only in later ARM generations20:48
joonahoidaymn, really?20:48
tbrAL13N: this is something like an cortex-A9 (it's actually a krait IIRC), hardware virtualization was added with A1520:48
AL13Ni know it exists, though no SoC will put this on a phone chipset, that's for sure20:48
joonahoii was just googling about that20:48
tbractually newer exynos chips do support that20:49
joonahoikrait was advertized to have some virtualization functios20:49
AL13Ni wonder when the first 64bit v8 will be out there20:49
tbrand they can be found in phones20:49
AL13Ntbr: really?20:49
joonahoi"Krait has been upgraded to support the new virtualization instructions added in Cortex A15. Also like the A15, Krait enables LPAE for 40-bit memory addressing."20:49
joonahoihttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture20:49
AL13Nhuh20:49
tbrinteresting20:49
AL13Nwhat is the use case?20:49
joonahoithat's what i'm wondering20:49
AL13Nexcept for having a buildserver on my phone20:50
specialARM servers.20:50
tbryou can do partitioning20:50
tbrrun a hypervisor and dump android runtime into different vm20:50
joonahoiconsider my mind blown20:50
AL13Ntbr: won't the resource usage be higher with that20:51
tbrwould be interesting to confirm if this particular chip supports it AND if it is enabled20:51
tbrbecause QC is notorious for not enabling everything20:51
AL13Nheh20:51
bennypr0faneguys, would anyone mind going to fastmail.fm really quick on sailfish browser?20:51
tbrAL13N: if properly designed, the markup should be neglegible20:51
bennypr0faneI'm trying to verify that not only I have this issue with that site20:52
AL13Ntbr: i'm doubting it'll ever happen20:52
joonahoibennypr0fane: looks fine20:52
bennypr0faneyou'd need to create a free account to see it though20:52
bennypr0faneyou'd be doing me a grerat favor20:52
AL13Nhmm, sofia-sip is on nemomobile-packages20:53
tbrAL13N: been done already on an LXC level20:53
bennypr0faneit's that after logging in , I can't scroll on the e-mail view20:53
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tbrand the step from lxc to something like proper virtualization is small20:53
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bennypr0fanejoonahoi: fastmail.fm has a rather fancy mobile interface, I believe it's html520:54
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AL13Ntbr: i would think the hypervisor would take extra resources, and the schedular would take more resources20:54
bennypr0fanehowever it works perfectly fine in android opera and firefox on jolla20:54
tbrAL13N: that's why hardware support was done in the first place: less resource overhead20:55
bennypr0fanethey provide very good customer service and I just moved all my e-mail business there. it'd be a big bummer if I can't use the site in Sailbro20:55
AL13Ntbr: of course, but i think it would take heavy tuning and careful building in order to get anywhere near battery usage20:55
AL13Nfor servers, i can understand it, but phones....20:56
tbrAL13N: [citation needed]20:56
AL13Noh well, we'll see20:56
AL13N"i think it would"20:56
AL13Nno citation provided :-)20:56
bennypr0fanejoonahoi, are you looking into it?20:56
tbr;)20:56
joonahoibennypr0fane: yeah, ran into a brick wall20:56
bennypr0fanejoonahoi: hm?20:57
joonahoiregistered account on my phone but gave nonexistent email as my "current email"20:57
AL13Nanyway, if sofia-sip is in there, would it be possible to configure telepathy with it?20:57
joonahoiit needs confirmation20:57
AL13Nfarsteam is there too20:57
AL13N*farstream ?20:57
bennypr0fanejoonahoi you provided a fake e.mail address?20:57
joonahoitried regging again with my laptop, but they must track the ip or something like that, because i can't seem to be able to register a free trial account anymore20:57
joonahoiyeah, i did20:57
tbrAL13N: go ahead and try your luck with mc-tool :)20:57
bennypr0faneah, I see20:58
bennypr0fanewhy so?20:58
AL13Ntbr: mc-tool eh20:58
joonahoibecause the account was just for testing20:58
joonahoiand i didn't have time to even read through what they're offering20:58
joonahoiso didn't want to give my contact info off20:58
joonahoibut the fake email went pretty well with my registered fake name ;)20:58
bennypr0faneok , nevermind. it's very respectable paid e-mail service though (free one is limited to 60 days)20:59
bennypr0faneno ads, no tracking, no google20:59
joonahoiyup, i host my own20:59
bennypr0fanejoonahoi: you are very brave21:00
joonahoitheir front page layout seemed nice on the mobile browser though21:00
bennypr0fanelet me guess, you also have owncloud?21:00
joonahoinope21:00
bennypr0fane:-)21:00
joonahoirunning good 'ol postfix21:00
bennypr0fanewhat'S that?21:00
joonahoimta21:00
tbrpostfix <321:00
joonahoiyeah, i really like it too21:00
joonahoithe chained nature works pretty well and lets you hook in between whatever you wish, or not to bother if you don't want to21:01
bennypr0faneanyways if I let the fastmail guys know there's a bug in their mobile interface, they'll probably look into it. it's run by Opera asa, i kinda respect those people21:02
joonahoibrb sauna21:02
bennypr0faneanyway it seems more likely a bug/lacuna in Sailbro code21:02
bennypr0fanesorry, a gap21:03
tango_while you're at it, ask them if they plan to port opera to sailfish os21:03
bennypr0fanetango_: don't think so. they're probably fine with the android version working for us.21:05
bennypr0fanea sign of their impending doom is that they're lagging behind on linux development since more than a year21:06
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bennypr0fanelatest linux version of Opera is 12, Windows is 17!21:06
bennypr0fanewhereas before they used to port Opera to each and every single platform out there21:06
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bennypr0fanedoes anyone run owncloud? tried the android app on Jolla?21:09
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AL13Njoonahoi: i too host my own email...21:12
AL13Ntbr: hmm, after installing sofia-sip, it appears not to be enough... mc-tool didn't want to add it21:13
ajaijjajbennypr0fane: why asking about owncloud android app? Is it not working?21:13
AL13Nah, rakia21:14
bennypr0faneI don't know. I wanna find out if it does work21:14
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ajaijjaji've not tried it. Is it the one on Google Play for €0.79?21:15
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bennypr0faneajaijjaj: I don't know, probably not using Owncloud yet, just checking if anyone is using it successfully with their jolla21:17
bennypr0fanethere should be a . after ..."probably."21:18
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ajaijjajbennypr0fane_: I've only tried ownNotes that works. Not eager to install google play and rely on android app. E.g., at least for me copy-paste between android app and native sailfish os is not working. So, it can be annoying. Don't know if the clipboard thing will change or maybe it is only my phone.21:21
joonahoihttps://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyOwnCloud21:22
joonahoi(haven't tried it though)21:23
joonahoibut i suppse you'd be able to at least sync the files with that21:23
ajaijjajjoonahoi: thanks, I'll check this one later.21:24
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joonahoiah, nvm, it seems to be just a python wrapper for ocsync c lib21:26
ajaijjajtoo bad21:27
bennypr0fane_ajaijjaj: clipboard is not working system-wide for now21:29
bennypr0fane_I really, really hope they fix this , soon21:29
joonahoiyeah, i was looking forward to include oc too21:29
bennypr0fane_but mayyyybee, someone will make a native Sf Owncloud app!21:30
joonahoimy app syncs pictures taken with camera (actually i just keep an eye on the dir using inotify) to google drive and dropbox atm21:30
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ajaijjajbennypr0fane_: what do you mean by "system-wide"? I've managed to copy URL from the built-in web browser to Messages21:31
Quuajaijjaj: doesnt work for terminal or android apps21:31
ajaijjajok21:31
AL13Ntbr: how does the password stuff work with mc-tool?21:31
bennypr0fane_ajaijjaj: I mean what Quu said21:31
AL13Ni only got string:account=21:31
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bennypr0fane_also ajaijjaj HOW did you copy/paste stuff from the browseR?21:32
Kondouthe owncloud app is also in the fdroid store, and it works pretty well on my jolla21:32
bennypr0fane_if noone makes an Sf app, I'll be seriously disappointed21:32
bennypr0fane_ajaijjaj: there is no clipboard in Sailbro21:33
Kondouhttps://together.jolla.com/question/880/owncloud-integration/21:33
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ajaijjajbennypr0fane_: I am not able to copy text from a webpage, but from the navigation textbox where URL of a webpage is21:35
bennypr0fane_ahm that. so just urls, really21:36
ajaijjajso far I'm good with that :D21:36
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bennypr0fane_I'm soo looking forward to the next Sf update21:37
ajaijjajI can't wait21:38
joonahoii can't wait to get the python + pyotherside offically supported by harbour21:38
ajaijjajfdroid looks much better, have to try it now21:38
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AL13Ntbr: QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection.sofiasip.sip.alien999999999_2d201_40pbxes_2eorg' had owner ':1.78' but we thought it was ''21:49
AL13Nmaybe dbus registration problem? i got stuck here :-)21:49
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ajaijjajchecked and agree that ownCloud app from fdroid works ok. To have fully functionality have to install android's camera, pdf reader etc.. Alternatively, can move files and open files from Sailfish that is not so handy. But be ok as backup.22:07
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zen|mergehi, i can't join my wifi (sorry. could not connect to selected network.) re-entering the password is only possible after turning wifi off and back on. is this a known problem? os ver. 1.0.2.522:37
zen|mergeanother wifi works22:37
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hariainmhello everyone23:09
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hariainmquick question: dont know why but recently i get way to many notifications from a failed download i have. Dont know from where it comes (android apps, i installed a bit, stock browser, LLs player...)23:11
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hariainmwhen i click on notification it dissapears but some minutes later it shows again23:12
hariainmeven after reboot23:12
Morpog_PCtry to delete your transfers log23:12
hariainmis there any way to fix it? where to check what apps are pushing notifications to the notifications screen?23:13
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hariainmno, the funny part is in settings>transfers i have nothing23:13
Morpog_PCstrange23:14
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hariainmindeed23:14
hariainmdamming futurama episode is really frustrating me23:14
hariainmis the "failed download" i have23:15
hariainmi supposse there is some kind of proccess responsible to push notifications to the screen23:15
hariainmany way to look at it? any log?23:16
hariainmany config file?23:16
Morpog_PCdunni23:16
Morpog_PCdunno23:16
hariainm:(23:16
Morpog_PCwait for Jolla guys23:16
hariainmok then23:17
Morpog_PCping stskeeps for example23:17
hariainmthanks anyway morpog23:17
Morpog_PCor aard or veskuh23:17
Morpog_PCnp23:17
specialhariainm: lipstick handles notifications. There is a database, called notifications.db, under $HOME somewhere23:19
specialit does have the name of the application that sent the notification23:19
hariainmthanks, i found it23:22
hariainmis in /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications23:23
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