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Abby22 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6900:45
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slateInteresting, device wont sleep wont powerbutton06:30
slateif swiped down to sleep, it wakes up after 0.5sec06:30
slate:)06:30
slateBut shutdown worked from the button ..06:31
slatewont sleep from*06:31
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msknightHi Folks - red flashing light of death here. Second time. Doesn't want to come back this time.07:52
msknightIt has gone to that great mobile graveyard in the sky.07:52
msknightAny advice please?07:52
msknighthere's my last blog post on the Jolla for anyone who is interested - http://msknight.com/technilife/?cat=1007:53
msknightBye!07:53
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Pnuuwell, bye..07:56
tbrwtf...07:58
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Nicd-Yaniel: yep, I'm doing a weechat relay client08:20
Nicd-no promises about dev speed though08:21
Nicd-you can help if you want :)08:21
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Nicd-currently I'm just starting by looking at SSL sockets08:23
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skn /away08:24
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Yanielwell communi seems perfectly fine so far08:26
Yanielbut I'll take a look once you have something up and running08:27
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Nicd-communi, as in a local client?08:27
Yanielyes08:27
Nicd-ok08:27
Nicd-that's not even an option for me, that's why I'm writing this :P08:28
YanielI set up my remote weechat as a bouncer08:28
Nicd-fingerterm is nice and all but I feel still not as good as a native UI could be08:28
Yanielyep08:28
Yanieland can't use system IMEs08:28
Yanielwhich I need every now and then08:29
Yanielalso notifications are nice08:29
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Sail0rA alien dalvik restart app appeared @openrepos https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/alien-dalvik-restart08:36
Sail0rbut it's not a big deal08:40
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Sail0ronly a simple bash script with an icon08:40
AcceIf there was ssh+screen+irssi parsing support in communi, it would be perfect software08:41
Sail0r?08:42
AcceI mean, instead of being just a local IRC client08:42
Sail0ruse a bouncer :x08:42
Acceit would allow connecting to a remote screen+irssi session08:42
Acce:o08:42
Yanielirssi should be fine as a bouncer08:42
* Acce goes find information08:43
Yanielit even doubles as a cli client08:43
Quuyuup08:43
Sail0rhttps://pthree.org/2007/01/06/irssi-proxy/08:43
Quuor weechat with webgui or something08:43
Quuits horrible, but works08:43
Yanielweechat has the same thing, it just calls it relay08:43
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Nicd-though weechat relay is not the same as irssiproxy08:44
Nicd-weechat is more flexible, irssiproxy just works as a bouncer08:45
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Yanielweechat relay.irc is exactly the same08:45
Nicd-yep, but there's the other relay type which I'm looking at08:46
Yanielyeah08:46
Yanielthe buffer sync08:46
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Acceis there an rpm build for communi somewhere?08:53
Sail0ryes08:53
Acceand thanks for enlightening me about the IRC bouncers08:53
Sail0rhttps://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases/tag/v0.1-rc08:54
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AL13N_workwhat is communi?08:54
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Sail0rnative irc client08:55
Yanielbtw does connman support hashes for passwords?08:55
Sail0rfor sailfish08:55
Sail0rnot for me Yaniel08:55
Sail0rall passwords are in cleartext08:55
Yaniel:(08:55
Stskeepsyou can't ever have hashes for passwords, guys..08:55
Stskeepssomething has to send the plaintext password to the AP08:55
Stskeeps:P08:56
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Sail0rbut you cannot read them as nemo08:56
Sail0ronly root has access to the configs08:56
AcceSail0r thanks :) and thanks to communi devs if they're listening!08:56
Sail0rthey are listening in #communi ;)08:56
Yanielthen why does the arch wiki recommend storing md4 hashes instead of plaintext?08:57
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Stskeepshttps://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords08:58
Yanielwell that is netctl but anyway08:58
Sail0rhave a look at /usr/lib/connman for me all dirs with pws are drwx------ 1 root root  38 Jan 28 22:09 wifi_08:59
Sail0r*/var/lib/connman sry08:59
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TofeSail0r: I was thinking of doing some sort of start/stop/restart systemd services, but I was wondering how to get priviledged access to systemctl; the TMO page is quite interesting in that way08:59
ppthere are some awful hacks but in the end the hashed password is as good as the real one :-)08:59
Yanielsame here Sail0r08:59
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Sail0rdo you have a link Tofe?09:00
TofeSail0r: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9254509:00
Sail0rthx09:00
Tofeof course the sudoers hack is not good enough IMHO09:01
Sail0rinvoking restarts via dbus is not possible i presume?09:01
tbrdsmetool -b09:01
RaYmAnStskeeps: that doesn't mean jolla couldn't support keyrings for storing wifi passwords ;) (and other passwords)09:01
Tofewell, at some point you need priviledges, so either you run as root or you get authorization for doing specific stuff09:02
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Sail0rI think hashing the pw in connman does not help anything. On most homerouters the pws are also stored in plaintext ^^09:02
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Sail0rlook at dd-wrt they even sent your wlan pw via plain http ^^09:02
Sail0ra global keyring would be very cool, also to store some pws in the browser09:03
TofeSail0r: what would unlock that keyring ?09:03
StskeepsRaYmAn: that i somewhat i agree with, yes09:04
AL13N_workTofe: Sail0r: i was working on an app wrt systemd management, and via DBUS it's possible as nemo to have impact09:04
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AL13N_workbut i'm kinda stuck atm09:04
TofeAL13N_work: ah great, less work for me ^^09:04
AL13N_workTofe: Sail0r: perhaps we should join together and i should put up my code on a git someplace?09:04
Sail0rdevice lock code for example @Tofe? Or like on OSx and Gnome a extra password09:04
TofeAL13N_work: could be a good idea, we could help a bit yes09:05
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Sail0rsounds good AL13N_work09:05
AL13N_workTofe: Sail0r: github is ok? or prefer something else?09:05
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Sail0rgithub is prefect09:05
TofeSail0r: extra pwd looks better, pin code is too short09:05
Tofegithub is perfect09:06
Sail0ryes you are right @ tofe but maybe as an option09:06
AL13N_workok, send your account names as PM to AL13N user, i can do it when i get home, ok?09:06
Tofeyep, ok09:06
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Sail0rdone :)09:07
Nicd-Yaniel: you could help by figuring out a name for my weechat relay pap09:09
Nicd-app*09:09
Nicd-names are the hardest part09:09
Sail0rwee2gether ;)09:09
Yanielsomething about chat, sailing and relay..09:09
Tofedone too09:10
Nicd-how about: WeeChat Relay Client for Sailfish09:10
Nicd-you can see how imaginative I am09:10
Yanielshort form WRCS09:10
Yanielwhy not09:10
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Sail0rsounds like the old video "Finding a name for Windows Server 2008"09:11
Sail0r^^09:11
Nicd-because then people would think it's a rally game09:11
AL13N_workWeeChatRelay09:11
TofeWorldRallyChampionShip ?09:11
AL13N_workor WeeRChat09:11
AL13N_workWeeRC09:12
AL13N_workWeeCRap09:12
Sail0rrofl09:12
Nicd-:DD09:12
Tofelol09:12
Nicd-WeeCRApp, yes09:12
AL13N_workWee Chat Relay APp09:12
AL13N_workWeeCRAP09:12
Nicd-I wonder if that name would be allowed by harbour09:12
AL13N_worksure09:12
Tofeworth a try09:13
AL13N_workcall it WeeC.R.AP.09:13
arwhy would you use weechat, when there's irssi?09:13
AL13N_workhahaha09:13
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Nicd-ar: because weechat is better obviously :P09:13
Acceyou would need to check the adult content only checkbox at harbour09:13
arNicd-: except it isn't :<09:13
Yanielweec.r.a.p xD09:13
Sail0rNice now my connman is completly f***ed09:13
Nicd-ar: has been so far for me09:13
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Tofewhy use a weechat relay, when there's znc ?09:14
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Tofeah, yes, text mode :p09:14
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Sail0rI hope there will be a connman update in 1.0.3.309:16
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pp-<location href="core/armv7hl/connman-1.15-1.1.1.armv7hl.rpm"/>09:18
pp+<location href="core/armv7hl/connman-1.15+git23-1.2.1.armv7hl.rpm"/>09:18
* pp whistles innocently09:18
AL13N_workheh09:18
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AL13N_worki hope the next connman will actually work better wrt to DNS from IPv6 though09:19
AL13N_workbut, i need to fix my wlan issues first at home09:19
Sail0ractual on the phone is connman-1.15+git23-1.9.1.armv7hl  looks good ;)09:19
Sail0rdhcpv6 would also nice to support correctly ;)09:20
Sail0rdeleting and adding the wlan everytime I have to use ipv6 is very uncool09:20
Sail0r^^09:20
AL13N_workwell, i don't need dhcpv6, i got radvd09:20
Sail0rI am in enterprises where ipv6 is heavily used09:20
AL13N_workbut the RRDNS entry isn't used09:20
Sail0rand many of them use dhcpv609:20
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AL13N_worki wonder why, when you have radvd09:21
Sail0rthe only problem at the moment with ipv6 which heavily affects dhcpv609:21
fluxradvd doesn't give DNS information?09:21
fluxnor other parameters one can pass over dhcp09:21
Sail0ris duplicate address detection09:21
Sail0rhttp://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/commit/?id=508526d3eb5d1013e6dfb6be0f178c1b6961a4fb09:22
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Sail0rthey use dhcpv6 mainly to provide tftp / ntp and wins servers09:25
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AL13N_workflux: yes it does09:46
AL13N_workflux: but, jolla(connman) doesn't honor the RRDNS servers :-(09:47
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Sail0rinteresting because it should be fixed in connman 1.1309:52
Sail0raccording to their git09:52
Sail0rhttp://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/commit/?id=75026d7e1c1e95dcbcfaa7d05bc5787da084f4e909:53
Sail0rok it's even way before 1.1309:53
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Andy80hi10:09
Sail0rhi10:09
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Andy80I did read somewhere that an update for SailfishOS was expected for the end of January. Is it still confirmed?10:10
Pnuuexpected, but not promised10:11
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goroborofavourite question on #jollamobile this week :)10:14
TofeThey could maybe put in place a Windows95-like ETA progress bar ? would be totally inaccurate, but we would at least have some numbers to look at ^^10:14
goroborolol10:14
Sail0rlol10:14
Pnuurandom-walk progress bar \o/10:15
Sail0rbut it must be a green bar, because green is for hope :x10:15
* goroboro wonders how quickly he could put together the sailfish-update-progress-bar app :)10:15
AcceETA 90000000 seconds... <- still got it in xp :)10:15
Tofeyup, and it would reach 100% on 31st January, and then it would continue with 101%, and so on...10:16
goroboro10 seconds remaining... 3 days remaining... 5 minutes remaining... 8 days remaining...10:16
Acceyou could make a statistic model of the update frequency and use that to estimate10:16
TofeAcce: next update December 25th10:17
goroborothat sounds way complicated... just randomize...10:17
goroboroif we create an app like this... it may reduce the frequency that people ask when the next update is due on this channel10:18
Accelol10:18
Tofetrue enough10:18
goroboroof course... a load of bugs will be submitted against the app10:18
Acceit might also make people blame jolla for not keeping their promises10:19
Acce"this update is never coming!"10:19
Tofethat one is easy, just put "Unofficial Non Answer App" in the title10:19
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goroboroheh10:19
Sail0rlol10:20
Acceunofficiality ftw10:20
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Sail0rThey should better take their time with the update than releasing a broken ones ;)10:21
goroboroproblem with these updates is that bug fixes are never that exciting... so probably most ppl are going to be disappointed when the update finally comes out10:22
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Tofedepends on the bug10:22
goroborotrue true10:22
goroboroin a month... I doubt that we're going to see major changes10:22
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Sail0rIf my phone no longer crashes because it's trying to reconnect every second to a network I will not be disappointed10:23
salami`is there some way to force mail updates more frequently since exchange/activesync push does not work?10:23
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goroboroSail0r: weird I don't seem to have this issue at all10:23
goroborosalami`: isn't there a setting in Settings->Apps->Email10:24
Sail0rI have it every few weeks sometimes with wlan sometimes with mobile network10:24
goroborommm I've only had my phone for a few weeks... so haven't noticed it yet10:25
skvarkhow long is the queue currently at Harbour? week?10:25
Sail0rIt keeps reconnecting so fast so it's completly stuck with displaying "Problem with the connection" and no reaction to power button at all10:25
Sail0ronly taking out the battery helps10:25
Sail0r48 hours10:26
Sail0rsays the harbour website10:26
Sail0r^^10:26
salami`goroboro: its at 5 minutes currently but sometimes my mail does not update for 4hours ro so10:26
salami`and I'm always connected via 3g10:26
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skvarkSail0r: yeah but I submitted an app 2 days ago so 48h doesn't sound right10:31
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WntSail0r: that "Estimated hours for approval 48" is mock data10:33
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goroborosalami`: don't know what the problem is... must admit that the mail app could do with some serious improvement10:33
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goroboroWnt: sort of like the "Unofficial Non Answer App"10:34
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goroborothe harbour queue question is the second most favourite question in channel10:35
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goroborowe could use the same progress bar app for that10:35
goroborojust put a different title on it... two apps for the price of one10:36
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Tofegoroboro: there's definitely a market niche to fill here10:44
Accehow about we combine them into one app? "The Estimator"10:45
TofeI'll see tonight if I can sketch up something. No promise on release date, at least not before the first version ;)10:45
Acceuser just types in what they want an eta for10:46
TeguETA for: Half Life 310:46
Accethen we show nice animation and text "consulting cosmic spirits..."10:46
goroboroAcce: but that means leass apps on jolla store10:46
TofeAcce: "contacting NSA server..."10:46
goroborowe can build a visual basic application to trace the ip address and submit it to the NSA server10:47
Accehmm quality or numbers, which is better10:48
Tofe"resolving Navier-Stokes approximation..."10:48
Accewe could make server with list of loading texts, or just random generator for the texts too10:48
TofeAcce: I think we definitely need numebrs first here10:48
Acceif we had a server, it would look like were actually connecting somewhee and we could easily add more content10:49
rcgNicd-, jfyi, the shutdown issue vanished so far after i plugged the phone to a charger again10:49
rcgNicd-, and, yes, it was charged before (~67%) ;)10:50
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wickwireHi guys, does anyone know if there's anything going on with the app submission process at the jolla store?11:32
wickwire48h + delays on checking submitted apps, something like that...?11:32
tbryes, there is some sort of backend maintenance or something11:34
Sail0rmaybe because of the new release11:34
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mornfallwickwire: 5 days is normal11:58
mornfallthe stats page is pretty bogus11:58
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jubo2A question re NFC: Can I have it turned off, do I have that freedom ?12:01
wickwireok guys, thanks for the feedback12:01
Jopejubo2 turn it off if you like12:02
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jubo2I still think the best solution for the NFC rights is to keep it listening in RX mode all the time, allow whitelisted apps to prompt the user if you wanna run the NFC app / go to TX and TX can be turned on for 5 seconds or more with a gesture12:03
jubo2no pocket swiping threat. actually you can log any swiping attempt if the NFC is in RX only mode12:03
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ggabrieljubo2: you can still do damage in "rx" mode only12:04
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ggabrielif there is a bug somewhere, that is12:04
jubo2ggabriel: I was not aware of that12:04
ggabrielwell, rx mode is smartcard simulation, right?12:04
jubo2no.. it's active12:04
jubo2there are 3 classes12:04
jubo2#1 active device #2 passive device and #3 transponder12:04
ggabrieli think #1 and #2 have to rx/tx anyway12:05
jubo2Best think NOK ever dunn was to introduce the transponder to NFC12:05
ggabrielotherwise it isn't nfc12:05
ggabrieli personally switch it off until i need it12:05
jubo2ggabriel: tnx for the info12:05
ggabrieljubo2: you know how to do it, right?12:05
jubo2I can turn it on if I wish to use it12:05
ggabrieljubo2: also, the antenna is so small that it only gets to the other half ;-)12:06
jubo2ggabriel: I've been using Linux on-and-off since '9612:06
ggabrieli tried it with a reader12:06
ggabrieljubo2: i mean in the jolla (smartctl stop thod.service)12:06
ggabriel'96 was a very bad time for linux :P12:06
jubo2ggabriel: now I know 'smarctl stop thod.service'12:07
ggabrieljubo2: s/smartctl/systemctl/12:07
jubo2ggabriel: yeah Linux used to such ass on desktop till the mid 00's12:07
ggabrielsorry, been playing with har ddrives lately12:07
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jubo2I store that command in nano12:07
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jubo2To turn NFC chip off run command: 'systemctl stop thod.service' saved in nano thanks12:09
ggabrielnw12:09
ln-with the typo?12:09
Jopetohd12:09
ggabrieljubo2: also: s/thod/tohd/12:09
jubo2I hear there are devices for sale at the nearby DNA Shop..12:10
jubo2I go there today to try out the Jolla yks-piste-nolla12:11
jubo2or more like yks-piste-jotain-piste-jotain ..12:12
jubo2Does it have Deezer app or Spotify app ?12:12
ppandroid spotify works well12:12
jubo2'k tnx pp12:12
jubo2I'ma switch to Deezer when I have an app for them and have lyrics applets12:13
Sail0rcutespotify is also a native app12:14
Sail0rhttps://openrepos.net/content/elleo/cutespotify12:14
Tofewow, I just saw the communi video on youtube, it's very impressive12:16
Sail0rdownload it and use it :)12:17
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TofeThey should add the license to a COPYING file12:22
TofeI'll create an issue point for them :)12:22
vatteI want to use the communi interface over ssh and screen :)12:24
jubo2Arr! Arr! Eyr'es some rhum Sail0r12:24
Sail0r:P12:24
vatteglugglugg12:24
Sail0rwithout rum it is only half so funny :x12:24
vatteso what I need is som kind of responsive design irc client!12:25
Tegusomething that can show/hide info on the fly (e.g. joins/parts/quits etc)12:25
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jubo2So I like Linux I like Finlan ..12:27
jubo2Don't like GOOG, MSFT, AAPL nor Sam sung12:27
jubo2How is the calendar utilities in the phone?12:28
salami`its okay12:28
salami`I have some problem with activesync/exchange meetings12:28
salami`problems*12:28
jubo2I am going to need to be able to access my calendar with phone _and_ computer12:28
jubo2I assume there is an Android dictionary app that's gonna enable me to read the menu at our local joint in St Piter12:30
jubo2That one app where you shoot ideograms with urr phone and it floats the translations next to the cangjie12:31
Sail0ryou don't like google and use android apps? ;)12:31
jubo2I though that was an original idea of mine but as I found out here it's been done already12:31
jubo2Opposing Googel is like opposing MSFT in the 80's and 90's12:32
jubo2too dominant market position12:32
mornfalljubo2: which is why it needs to be done12:33
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mornfalljubo2: calendar looks nice, but is kinda basic... also, no two way caldav yet12:34
* goroboro thinks that in opposition to google glass... jolla should make Sailfish EyePatch :D12:34
mornfallgoroboro: :D12:34
jubo2mornfall: onoes!12:34
jubo2it does not sync with other..please tell me it will sync with my Debian712:35
mornfalljubo2: we are all impatiently waiting for an update ;-)12:35
mornfalljubo2: what do you mean, sync with debian/12:35
mornfallthere's zillion packages in debian12:35
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jubo2I need no fancy thing12:36
mornfallit'll probably sync to a cloud, sooner or later12:36
jubo2I just want to use normal kbrd to edit entries in my digital calendar12:36
mornfallabout a PC, I have no idea12:36
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mornfalljubo2: there's an evolution sync thingy on openrepos I think12:36
mornfallI don't know if desktop organizers can run caldav servers these days.12:37
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* goroboro personally hates storing data in 'the cloud'... especially PIM stuff12:40
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goroborounless I am running 'the cloud' service, of course...12:41
ottulothat Freia looks awfully lot like Marabou12:42
mornfallgoroboro: owncloud comes to mind12:43
ottulohttp://daimilusllc.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/marabouchoklad.jpg12:43
ottuloack12:43
ottulosorry, I was even on the wrong network this time -_-"12:43
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mornfallgoroboro: but google calendar was such an ingenious invention... everyone scrambles to infer stuff about people, google revolutionised the field by just asking directly for everything :-)12:45
mornfallgoroboro: and the VM cloud is another such thing, you get full access to the entire RAM of all VMs... extremely lovable if you have a data addiction12:45
goroboroindeed... all this stuff freaks me out...12:46
goroboroI like privacy12:46
mornfallthere's probably also a reason to the saying, opportunity makes a thief12:47
goroborosadly... my day job entails working on the development of a cloud-based VM product :/12:48
mornfallit's a huge market ... and well, what could *possibly* go wrong12:48
goroboroheh... indeed12:49
mornfall“Initial investigations show that the attack was made via hypervisor through the hosting provider and not via any vulnerability in the OS configuration,” OpenSSL has since written on their site. “Steps have been taken to protect against this means of attack in future.”12:50
ppAndroid apps leaking stuff like plaintext imeis being a small problem... Unless you're the NSA, in which case they're a wonderful feature :P12:51
mornfallpp: you can rest assured that the imei of your phone is linked to your physical identity12:52
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mornfallalso, changing imei's is illegal in most (all?) western countries... for your safety, of course :)12:53
jubo2Is there a Jolla phone specs page somewhere ?12:53
mornfallit's not like you could shoot people with an imei-changed phone...12:54
Pnuujubo2: try jolla.com :-P12:54
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jubo2or search engine of choice..12:55
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jubo2In 2008 I coulda used my 480€ to buy a iPhone 2Gs, instead I spent it on NOK E75 .. which'es stainless steel back-cover I had to whetstone for hours12:57
jubo2So I've missed out on mobile / non-laptop interwebz for the past 6 yrs12:59
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Nicd-has this been here yet? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/01/29/0312248/samsungs-first-tizen-smartphone-gets-leaked?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed13:32
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ggabrieltsk tsk rounded corners13:34
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spacedentisthi, jolla fans! i saw a video on youtube showing sailfish being installed on a nexus4. i have a nexus4 running cyanogenmod, but i'd love to install sailfish on it. are the images available somewhere, or can i produce them myself?13:39
Stskeepsspacedentist: not yet, but i'll note you down13:40
spacedentistStskeeps: thanks a lot! looking forward!13:41
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ssirkiaHi, should N900 wired headphones work with Jolla? Last time I tried, they wouldn't work for me (can't remember the details). Also some older headsets, (that work with 900) didn't work. There was this 'snapping sound' as if the microphone voltage was incompatible or something. Any experience? Strong oppinions?14:12
ggabrielssirkia: you need an adapter as the jolla uses the apple/android standard rather than the nokia one14:14
ggabrieli'm assuming that you speak not of just headphones, but headsets14:14
ggabrieli.e., with a microphone, buttons and whatnot14:14
ssirkiaOh, I see.14:14
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ssirkiaggabriel: Thanks for the info, I'm quite sure I would have otherwise bought some nokia compatibles :-)14:21
ggabrielnw14:23
ggabrieland nothing to worry about either, there are resilient adapters out there14:23
ggabrieli'm using one with my n9 fwiw, because companies make apple/android standard only these days14:23
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mornfallNicd-: yeah, well, ugly :-)14:36
mornfallbut what did we expect of samsung, really :P14:36
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CvPhello14:39
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CvPis there a ssh app to connect from smartphone to a server?14:46
Pnuuyes14:47
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Pnuuif you enable the developer mode, there'll be a terminal program (fingerterm) where you can use ssh14:47
Pnuu(cli)14:47
CvPand the command is than ssh ip:port ?14:48
Accessh -p port user@ip14:49
Pnuuor ssh -p port -l user server-address14:52
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CvPvery cool thanks, works nice14:58
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CvPand what is -p or -l ?14:59
Sail0r-l is for loginname14:59
Sail0rand -p for port14:59
CvPaha ok... i try with only -p14:59
Sail0ryes you can also user loginname@server14:59
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Sail0rwhich is the same as -l loginname server15:00
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CvPgood :)15:01
CvPis there any chance to integrade file sending over xmpp or calls? dont wanna use whatsapp :(15:01
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PnuuCvP: MMS is one of the most requested feature at together.jolla.com, so I hope it'll be available15:09
opukanyone had network issues with android apps?15:09
CvPPnuu: MMS? like SMS  with Media?15:10
Pnuuyeah, multimedia messages15:10
Pnuunot really useable for generalized datatransfer, but still15:11
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CvPok, its maybe impotend... but not for german users :) ... but hope it will come because it is a feature what is needing :)15:11
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CvPitd cost to much here15:12
CvPits15:12
CvPi can life with an android app for xmpp, but xabber/jitsi and all other apps dont have file transfer :(15:14
Sail0ruse mail :x15:14
CvPno :)15:14
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Quuuse the force luke15:15
CvPforce luke?15:15
Pnuusudo force luke15:15
CvPand than?15:16
Pnuunevermind :-)15:16
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Sail0r:D15:17
CvPlol15:17
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CvPhave someone little know how about the kernel?15:19
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CvPneed some.help with my project15:20
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Sail0r?15:22
sharpneliJust ask, don't ask to ask.15:22
DrainBamagedLike if someone says to me 'Can I ask you a question?' I say 'You just did, ask me another'15:23
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CvPlast post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91895&page=315:25
CvPto change 1000mAh to 400/500mAh15:25
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PnuuCvP: you seem to mean mA, not mAh15:28
PnuuCvP: so you want to limit the input current of the TOH power pins to ~400 mA with a kernel tweak?15:29
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fluxthis might not be something a the software can limit15:34
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Pnuuflux: my thoughts exactly15:38
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SpeedEvilWhy not use the right regulator?15:51
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SpeedEvilRegulators with >90% efficiency are quite available.15:54
SpeedEvilhttp://maxim-ic.com/ has a nice selection guide15:54
Quuit would be too easy to buy ~1e components :p15:55
SpeedEvilhaving said that - there are legitimate apps where you may need to resuce charging current.15:57
SpeedEvilFor example - solar or whatever.15:57
SpeedEvil( a simple solar back is a terrible idea)15:57
SpeedEvilThe only way to tell is either a proper datasheet for the other half charging pins, or a schematic and/or the part number of the charger chip.15:58
SpeedEvilAlong with its kernel driver15:58
SpeedEvilIt's not impossible for example that it may reduce current draw as voltage drops from 5V, much like most phones and other devices do from USB15:58
SpeedEvilUSB 'chargers' that is15:58
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CvPPnuu sry, i am working... yes this is exactly what i want16:07
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CvPmaxi has a step up voltage regulator? never seen before.16:10
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CvPPnuu do you know how to do that?16:14
CvPover kernal tweek16:15
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fluxactually it makes sense there's a way to limit the current from USB to the host, isn't it used when the device is normally attached to a computer?16:17
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SpeedEvilflux: No16:24
SpeedEvilflux: The computer specifies the maximum that the device can use, by picking an appropriate configuration for the device.16:24
SpeedEvilThere is no procedure to renegotiate.16:25
fluxspeedevil, well it specifies it, but do computers actually have other response for a device using too much other than to 1) break or 2) shutdown the port completely for protection?16:25
sharpneliYup. And most just negotiate for 500mA max and that's it.16:25
SpeedEvilNo.16:25
sharpneliflux: OVercurrent protection shuts it down. That's pretty much it.16:25
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fluxso what cvp wants is to 'negotiate' a 500mA max with the USB +V5?16:25
SpeedEvilBut it's not USB16:26
fluxok, well then it's not possibly :)16:26
fluxI thought it was the same USB voltage rail16:26
SpeedEvilIt's a 5V input from TOH, with an unspecified device on the other side.16:26
fluxbut was it so that it's not used if it drops below 5V?16:27
SpeedEvilIt depends.16:27
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SpeedEvilVarious things could happen - from it not drawing any current if the voltage drops below 4.995V, current ramping from 1A to 0A as the voltage falls from 5 to 4V, or anything lse.16:28
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fluxif it strictly uses all current from the rail only when it's 5V or more, it might not be possible to current-limit it otherwise, except by time slicing it16:28
pp*grumble*, update available but it's just 1.0.2.5 :D16:28
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SpeedEvilAs an example, the nexus 7 on its 'dock' pins will draw about 1.8A@5.6V, dropping to 0.1A@4.5V16:29
SpeedEvil(from memory)16:29
SpeedEvil(the 2012)16:29
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fluxI suppose this could be very easily tested with a controlled DC source :)16:33
Stskeepshttp://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/jj606124.aspx <- this is fantastic ideas for a QA checker16:35
Stskeeps:P16:35
juboxiStskeeps: Microsoft.com ..16:35
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jubo2new phone! shiny phone!16:36
ppif only they deprecated drive letters...16:37
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jubo2I want to set up spotify and deezer16:40
* SpeedEvil looks at his hp6632b16:40
Stskeepslet's ban fopen()16:41
Stskeeps:P16:41
* SpeedEvil turns on flashlight to drain battery (which 'annoyngly' is at 100%/16:41
Aardoh, drive letters. we should introduce them in sailfish16:42
Stskeepsinsert disk to drive C:16:42
jubo2I can't get a Jolla account set up on phone. there a web UI for it..?16:43
Sail0ryes16:44
Sail0raccount.jolla.com16:44
jubo2Arr, tnx m816:44
Sail0rnp16:45
AardStskeeps: "To unlock the bootloader please insert disk to drive A:"16:45
Aardand then we can sell a floppy disk other half16:45
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StskeepsAard: "I AM RICH" TOH16:46
Stskeeps100000 USD16:46
fk_lxwhat about "I didn't make this" covers :-P16:46
Stskeepsgood one :P16:46
fk_lxconsidering amount of things that still need care, that cover could be good :-)16:47
Aardoh, I have a better one. "I contributed to <list of softwarecomponents>". that allows us to charge a higher price for the toh for customization fees :)16:47
Stskeeps"i waited 4 weeks in queue in care@"16:47
Stskeeps;)16:47
StskeepsAard: ah, we should make a custom 'i am lennart' TOH for poettering..16:48
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jubo2I can't get to the store.. I've reset my password and entered it correctly it gives error in Finnish16:52
jubo2I like the grab down from top of screen thing gives me quick access to silent mode, camera, settings and what you..16:53
jubo2The Kauppa-app won't work16:55
jubo2can't login from account.jolla.com either..16:55
jubo2bummer!16:55
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jubo2Unboxing UX curve nosedives16:55
jubo2I like the visual also16:56
jubo2like MSFT is all "Boxes, lots and lots of boxes all over the place"16:56
jubo2with this Windows816:57
jubo2Game says: "You have a pure Linux phone but the system says your access to system candy supply store is teh brokeh." There is an exit to the East. There is also an open Gin Longdrink bottle on the side desk. What you do?16:59
Quuhulk smash17:00
AL13N_workAard: "I sponsored feature X"17:00
jubo2I'm 100% sure I've the right user name and the right password as indicated by the reset mail link getting clicked17:00
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jubo2sry my bad. I registered using another nick17:01
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jubo2I think I'd like my jolla account be the same as my unix username is.. Is there any downsides to just registering ana another account and discard the old one ?17:02
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AL13N_workjubo2: me too17:04
AL13N_workbut i think mine was not available :-(17:04
jubo2I'm in the store. It works the human just fumbles usernaming self17:05
jubo2what apps do I want?17:06
jubo2I want the app that gets me to the android store17:06
jubo2There was native player for Spotify "PrettySpotify" or something like that someone mentioned somewhere17:07
Pnuujubo2: are you running the latest version?17:07
jubo2Pnuu: I dunno. Took it out of the box. Never upgraded or updated17:07
Sail0rcutespotify17:07
jubo2mfg date was Dec 201317:07
jubo2Sail0r: Arr! That's the one17:08
Sail0r;)17:08
Pnuuthen upgrade before installing anything17:08
jubo2Pnuu: is there hand holding manual for how to upgrade ?17:08
* jubo2 is not texy person17:08
jubo2crappy at math and technology17:08
jubo2can barely into calculus17:09
Pnuusettings -> dev info -> pulley17:09
jubo2Pnuu: this is all in Finnish for me17:09
jubo2I'm in the settings now17:09
jubo2fi."Kehitystila"?? that's like en."development state"17:10
salami`jubo2: tietoja tms17:10
jubo2no it must be "Laitteen tiedot"17:10
Pnuumy guess is then: järjestelmäasetukset -> tietoja laitteesta17:11
jubo2'k searching for upgrades17:11
jubo2do I need to backup..17:12
jubo2it says it's possible to backup17:12
jubo2no I don't it's a clean factory flavour17:12
jubo2the upgrade it is..17:12
Pnuuyep17:13
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jubo2a download counter would be really nice17:14
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jubo2now it doesn't give informatoin on is it actually progressing17:14
Sail0rlook at the jolla / sailfish logo17:15
Sail0rthere you can see the progress17:15
jubo2just rotating the rotating thingy17:15
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jubo2now installing upgrades17:19
jubo2Pnuu: tnx for pointing out to upgrade the OS before doing anything17:20
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jubo2So I heard the landscape kbrd is coming in some future upgrade17:22
jubo2as well as navigation17:22
fk_lxheh friend asked when the software update is coming and I've answered that it's comming when Aard's cats will be in the right mood :-)17:23
Aardit'll come soon™ :)17:23
jubo2I also heard that wlan basestation mode and 4G are coming, just a matter of software17:24
Sail0r4g was just a guess from someone17:25
wickwireHi guys, how may I use rpm checking before submitting an app to the jolla store?17:25
Sail0rand no confirmation17:25
wickwireis there some feature available to use with the SailfishOS IDE17:25
wickwirethat checks a built rpm for inconsistencies...?17:25
Sail0rthere is a app validator17:25
Sail0rin the ide17:25
Sail0rklick on the sailfishos logo on the left side17:25
Sail0rand go to harbour tools17:25
wickwireok, could you please - ok17:25
jubo2'k and the upgrade is over17:26
wickwireSail0r I have targets, toolchains and updates17:27
wickwirewhen accessing the sailfish logo on the left17:27
Sail0rdid you ever upgrade your ide17:27
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Sail0rclick on updates17:28
wickwireI did, then it crashed and I could never use it again - but I'll do it17:28
Sail0rand do a ide update17:28
wickwireok thanks17:28
Sail0rno problem :)17:28
jubo2I want Spotify17:29
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jubo2Gotta have that. Till there is a Deezer.com client17:29
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ballockjubo2: wlan basestation mode? like ap to serve your 3g through wifi?17:34
jubo2ballock: yes. exactly17:34
ballockthere's "tethering" app in the store17:34
ballockdoes exactly that17:34
ballockover wifi and bt17:34
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jubo2ballock: good news. good to know17:37
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jubo2I have a dedicated wireless HSPA+ basestation.. Whenever I go somewhere I just plug in the mains and forget about it17:38
jubo2but should I like forget that somewhere.. I better load this tethering app17:38
ottuloI've used it a couple times, works smooth17:38
HarhaanJohtajabut your battery will drain very fast after you have used that17:40
HarhaanJohtajaat least for me17:40
teveyep, I wonder if it disables wlan power saving mode?17:41
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CvPre, sry, work17:42
CvPhave i miss some infos about ma change in kernel?17:42
ballockyup, better check the irc logs17:43
CvPok i am @home in one hour, hope there is a solution. want finish my Project and start with the toh cover17:45
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jubo2I'm trying to add an email account18:05
jubo2I hit the "Accept *" in the right-uphand corner and it just flashes the screen. does not complain of errors nor give anything to assume it has done anything18:05
sjtoikgmail, exchange or imap?18:05
Nicd-jubo2: it means you haven't filled all fields18:06
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Nicd-some required field is missing18:06
jubo2I'm leaving SMTP user and password blank18:07
jubo2It'd be nice to have an asterisk next to required field18:07
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jubo2port humber 25 missing from SMTP info18:11
jubo2now I'm back in email app and it says there are no accounts18:12
jubo2it just said it successfully added the account a few second before18:12
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jubo2I want my settings back18:13
jubo2It just said the account had been added, then next second it complains no accounts..18:14
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Nicd-did you reopen the email app?18:16
jubo2I'm just booting the phone18:16
jubo2no accounts it says18:16
Nicd-what about settings -> accounts?18:17
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jubo2I didn't notice to hit the "save" button18:21
jubo2or whatever that was in Finnish18:21
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jubo2I find translating command line tools to localized langs a bad idea18:22
jubo2then I have to translate from half-Finnish to English to get help18:22
jubo2'tis not a jolla issue18:22
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Pnuujubo2: just use the phone in english, much easier :-P18:23
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Quujubo2: yeah, dont use the finnish translations :p18:24
Nicd-except then your maps app uses *miles*18:24
Nicd-now what's up with thaT?18:24
QuuCLI in finnish is just retarded18:24
ottuloNicd-: there's a way to fix that18:24
PnuuNicd-: there's a fix coming for that, and it's easy to work-around18:24
FryeNicd-, there are instructions getting the units in standard SI versions under English too.18:25
Nicd-locale settings on command line?18:25
Pnuuyup18:25
FryeSomething like that yea18:25
Nicd-I'll just wait for the official fix since I don't use the maps app much18:25
jubo2Quu: it's most unhelpful in getting help ( Finnish cli) from global forums such as irc18:25
Nicd-but when I do it sticks out like a sore thumb :D18:25
Fryehehe18:25
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FryeYeah, it's a real pain18:26
FryeBut because of the screen not staying on the maps app is useless too for anything but a quick peek.18:26
Frye(And there is a workaround for that too)18:27
PnuuFrye: adjust the screen timeout :-P18:27
FryePnuu, always on available yet? I think I still need the mce tool.18:27
Pnuuah, yeah, that's missing18:27
Fryeye, it should be always on when there is a planned active route18:28
Pnuubut there's no routing either ;-D18:28
FryeAnd otherwise use the system timeout18:28
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FryeNo, but there is a line drawn to the map18:28
FryeSame as it was with the N90018:28
FryeWhich is more than enough to find places18:28
FryeBut all these tiny things that are issues for me I still prefer it over Note II as my secondary unit.18:29
FryeSo don't get me wrong :-) I really like it.18:30
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jubo2I have to say the phone as a physical object feels good18:41
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jubo2This was not the case with my NOK E75 that needed grand-pa's whetstone for a good few hours18:41
jubo2To reverse whatever the disain dept had disnaided this time..18:42
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jubo2Arr! Sail0r18:42
jubo2ahh.. ich sehen.. du bist Deutch18:42
jubo2Ich liebe die deutcher, kultur, leute und spräche.18:43
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Pnuuand we (try to) stick to english here18:43
jubo2I was just saying I love the German kulture, people and language18:43
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Pnuuyes, I can read ;-)18:44
jubo2I'm going to send open application to DNA18:45
jubo2One day I was in the DNA webshop18:45
jubo2then got to talking with this customer service person via the giosk chat interface18:46
jubo2I asked him if he worked specifically for this18:46
Nicd-from all your DNA praise I'd think you're already on their payroll18:46
jubo2answer was yes18:46
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jubo2So I want to be customer service chat person for DNA18:46
jubo2chat is so superior to phone, you can paste URLs18:47
slateI think my friends does that18:47
slateat dna18:48
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TQP1I'm having a problem with my jolla. It suddenly shut down, I started it. It worked fine a while and it shuted down again. Now it's in bootloop.could someone help me?18:50
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QuuTQP1: take battery out for 10min18:51
Quuit might help18:51
TQP1already done18:52
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TQP1bootlooping starts right away when i insert battery back on18:52
slateand charger does what?18:53
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PnuuStskeeps: ^18:54
TQP1nothing, same continues18:54
TQP1full battery18:54
StskeepsTQP1: 1.0.2.5?18:54
slatedo you get to recovery mode?18:54
TQP1stskees yes18:55
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TQP1slate i push vol - and power and it goes to fastboot mode18:55
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StskeepsTQP1: sorry :/ you have to take it to service. the upcoming update makes it possible to self-help this issue but it's not possible right this moment18:55
TQP1damn :/18:55
slateStskeeps: the update which is coming tomorrow?18:55
Stskeepswe have an update coming tomorrow? :P18:56
slateok had to try..18:56
slate:D18:56
tmynttin:D18:56
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w00tthe update comes when the update wants to, and not a moment sooner18:56
TQP1so it's no use if i try that telnet 192...... stuf on terminal18:56
Stskeepsevery time somebody brings up the update, it gets pushed half a day forward18:56
StskeepsTQP1: i think you should try anyway18:56
w00tStskeeps: it *starts* at half a day, and increases by an exponential duration18:57
StskeepsTQP1: if it says invalid argument when mounting, then it's a device you need to take to service18:57
QuuStskeeps: maybe i need to add script to hilight you about the update? ;D18:57
slateso basically I'm able to delay the update for unlimited time.18:57
slateawesome.18:57
Nicd-half-life 3 confirmed?18:57
Accedid someone say "update"?18:57
PnuuStskeeps: so it's like Georg RR Martin and Starks in the books..18:57
PnuuAcce: no, it was undate18:59
Acceoh my18:59
Milo-I was a bit shocked to see realise how poorly the alarm clock's snooze works.18:59
Accewhy we never get downdates18:59
Milo-alarm set off at 6 am, swiped it to snooze and 1 hour and 40 minutes later, it went off again18:59
ppAcce: there's the occasional redate19:00
Milo-I love my sleep as much as the next guy, but that's a long snooze.19:00
AcceMilo-: I have no idea how it works, since I never wake up to the alarm anyways :/19:00
ppand I thought the version number went down too for the first update attempts for a while :-)19:00
PnuuMilo-: set it to wake you up when you want to wake up, and get the F out of the bed :-P19:00
ppI was excited to see a new version available today, but it was just 1.0.2.519:00
Milo-Acce after today, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work :/19:00
Pnuusnooze should be disabled globally19:01
Milo-Pnuu impossible.19:01
Pnuupffft19:01
Acceglobals are bad19:01
Acceas every C programmer can tell you19:01
Milo-I have a computer in the living room, which is locked during night. It also makes quite loud noises through the speaker in the morning19:02
Milo-I wake up, go to living room, set snooze and walk back to the bedroom and return my sleep :)19:02
ppon a positive note, the jolla alarm sound is quite pleasing19:02
AcceI like the Jolla song, it's catchy19:03
Stskeepsi used to have to kill my wakeup 'at' job with killall19:03
Turskithe "beta" version of jolla alarm sound was everything but pleasing...19:03
Nicd-is the new jolla techno tune available somewhere?19:03
AcceI hope Jolla will publish some more great tunes19:03
w00tStskeeps: christ19:03
RaimMilo-: Snooze works fine for me in 5 minute steps19:03
tmynttinno matter how pleasing the alarm is, you grow to hate it eventually19:03
w00tStskeeps: i think i would literally end up throwing the computer out a window19:03
Milo-Raim you can't set snooze steps.19:03
Milo-but anyways. I believe it's connected to the same issue that the phone isn't fetching emails every 30 minutes19:04
Milo-it does some deep-sleeping and the scheduler is unreliable.19:04
jubo2I can't find cutespotify in the store19:05
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RaimMilo-: you can set it from command line or Snooze Adjuster from the store19:05
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Turskimy mails seem to be synced somewhere between every 5min to 8 hours...19:05
jubo2There is one crucial question I forgot to ask the sales person: does it have an analog radio??19:06
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jubo2Ich muss mein Basso Radio haben!!19:06
Milo-Raim yeah19:06
Stskeepsjubo2: no19:06
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Milo-Turski I've never seen my phone auto-fetch emails unless the phone is active (being used).19:07
Milo-if it stands on the desk for a day, it won't beep and fetch my emails :/19:07
Accejubo2: make a radio receiver and put it in your TOH19:07
jubo2I don't know anything about making radios19:07
AcceMilo-: hmm, mine does19:07
slatewebradio?19:07
Acceeven when screen off it beeps with emails occasionally19:08
jubo2slate: but then they can see what I'm listening to19:08
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slatethey? like, nsa?19:08
RaimI doubt the i2c would be fast enough for an audio stream19:08
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AcceRaim: how fast does it have to be?19:08
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Accei2c can be pretty fast.. don't know how fast jolla hw supports19:09
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Quueven slowest should be fast enough for radio19:09
Quuif its fast enough for hq-mp3-audio19:10
jubo2Physically the device feels really good in hand19:10
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slateDoes not fit that good to my hand to be honest.19:10
slateAnd yes, I got large ones.19:10
Accedon't know much about audio, but it's enough to send 128kbps?19:10
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RaimAcce: to be honest, that's just my guessing. maybe it depends on the codec...19:12
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Acceso you need to send bit every ~1/128000 => 128kHz serial bus is enough?19:12
RaimI always think of i2c as a low bandwidth bus19:12
Accei2c should be able to go over 1MHz19:12
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Accenewest spec has 5Mhz mode19:13
QuuRaim: it depends on what "class" it is19:14
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Quukinda like wlan speeds19:14
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TQP1Stskeeps is it possible to save files of the phone when i get it to service?19:15
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StskeepsTQP1: it might be - tell them that you're in a boot loop, you think it's a filesystem problem, mention the invalid argument specifically and you'd prefer to save your data19:16
slateWith Nokia, that would never happen. :) Service-wise.19:16
TQP1ok, thanks for the advice19:16
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Accefastest i2c mode: 3,4 Mbps. USB 1.0: 1,5Mbps. USB 3.0: 4Gbps19:18
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Stskeepsslate: yeah, too expensive probably19:20
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slateProblems are solved the fastest way -> reflash19:21
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ppor replace n900 with brand new e719:22
slatebest ones were n8:s19:22
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Stskeepspp: yeah, wtf..19:23
Stskeeps:P19:23
slatehad some happy customers after that swap19:23
slateshieet.19:23
ppI wonder if anyone got a lumia 800 for a broken n919:23
slateCant remember that never happening19:23
Stskeepsslate: work in a mobile store?19:23
slateStskeeps: I ran a nokia care point for 3 years19:24
Stskeepsslate: how much did your therapy cost?19:24
slateStskeeps: my desk was at the back.19:24
slate:)19:24
Sail0rlol19:24
Stskeepshehe19:24
jubo2where do I get my 1st android app?19:25
slatejubo2: jolla store -> android support -> yandex store19:25
Sail0ryandex store?19:25
slateStskeeps: saw that jolla is looking for a care specialist, practically same job I did. But wrong city. :)19:26
Stskeepsslate: it's easier in R&D because we can somewhat work everywhere19:26
jubo2Яндекс дотчка ру, што ето?19:26
slateYup I know. Like at home..19:27
jubo2Jandex dot ru, what is this?19:27
jubo2'k I try to install from there19:27
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Accejubo2: it's Russian google19:28
Accekind of19:28
slateI guess the easiest way to get dev-updates would be to apply for the job. lol.19:30
AcceDid someone see the interview Jollausers.com did with Marc Dillon?19:30
Stskeepsnot yet, url?19:30
sharpnelislate: Idd19:30
AcceI have no url..19:30
Accejust a tweet19:31
sharpnelislate: "I love it so much that I'll sacrifice my current career just to get better tools to play with" :DD19:31
Acce Jolla Users ‏@JollaUsers 8h19:31
AcceStay tuned at http://jollausers.com  tonight for an exclusive interview with @MarcDillonDotFi about #Jolla, #Sailfish, #MWC14 and the future19:31
slatesharpneli: haha :) Thats commitment.19:32
slateWas nice to have the tools back in the day, thats for sure.19:32
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slateNot for Jolla, but still.19:32
jubo2I'm trying to get an yandex account19:32
Quujubo2: change language to english19:32
slateAcce: "it will be available at http://jollausers.com  as soon as I finish editing it :)"19:32
Acceslate: ok, didn't notice that!19:33
slatejust in!19:33
slate2 hours ago19:33
slateHas to be a good one because it takes 2hours to edit.19:33
AcceI hope so :p19:34
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Milo-why doesn't it surprise me that artem disagrees with this: https://together.jolla.com/question/5177/jolla-app-store-show-app-licenses-and-links-to-sources/19:35
jubo2Quu: I think I'm supposed to receive a code as sms but I'm getting no sms from Yandex.ru19:35
Quujubo2: change language to english.,19:35
jubo2'k 'k..19:35
slateAny eta on shop.jolla.com update? Would like to get another TOH.19:35
Quufor some magical reason, thats only way to get yandex working19:35
Milo-I keep getting notifications at TJC about edited posts, is there a way of seeing what was actually changed?19:36
AcceMilo-: well he does have a point, someone non "geek" probably get's worried about that weird "GPLv2" there.. but well, it doesn't have to be visible by default19:38
Milo-normally "non-geeky" person gets a full blown licence agreement about what ever they install19:40
Milo-I remember seeing those even with N900.19:40
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bennypr0faneHi, Has anyone tried Android-Soundhound, Shazam, or any other app that needs the mic? Bcs on my Jolla Soundhound and Shazam both say they’re not getting access to the microphone19:41
faenilbennypr0fane, works here19:42
bennypr0fanefaenil, which app?19:42
slateI tested shazam, did not complain about the mic.19:43
bennypr0fanewhat could be wrong on my phone then?19:44
AcceMilo-: well that's true too, maybe they wouldn't care, I think it's fine either way19:44
bennypr0fanewhere'd you guys install it from?19:44
Accepeople usually tell if the app is open source anyways19:44
faenilbennypr0fane, I got it off gplay19:45
Milo-Acce a pull-down "details" would be a nice gesture.19:45
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Accebennypr0fane: the mic works for me in some android apps and in some it wont19:45
AcceMilo-: yeah, it wouldn't hurt anyone and would satisfy those who want it19:45
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bennypr0faneyou can get different versions of some apps in different stores right?19:47
slateyup19:47
slate4.3.0-JB81291 says my shazam19:47
Milo-currently I'm more turned off by certain "developers" than what licence they use.19:48
bennypr0faneis it true that Jolla doesn't provide its IMEI to Android stores, so Google is not gettni it even if I install Gplay store?19:48
Sail0rthe maps app is quite uncool :-/19:48
Sail0rI hope there will be a traffic overlay19:48
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Milo-but that is the sole purpose for being able to look into the code when you have doubts.19:48
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AcceMilo-: well some people have an attitude which causes most of their misunderstandings and problems19:50
slatebennypr0fane: for imei on android side I see 12345123451234519:50
Yanielhow original19:50
bennypr0faneslate lol19:50
Quubennypr0fane: there is (small) chance that they kill your account19:51
bennypr0faneQuu Google?19:51
Quubut they would need to kill all CM users/russians/chinese19:51
Quuyeah19:51
bennypr0fanewhy?19:52
slateused for a month, no problems what so ever19:52
Quubecause you are using their software "illegally"? :p19:52
bennypr0faneQuu: you mean if I hack-install Gplay?19:52
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Quuno. if you wipe the screen with toilet-paper.19:52
Quuwhat else i could mean?19:52
slateharsh19:52
slate;)19:52
Sail0rhow to set an imei on android side?19:52
bennypr0faneah right, I've been meaning to find that out. how illegal is it actually?19:53
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bennypr0faneLike, seriuosly,-you-can-get-sued-illegal?19:53
Quuwell iirc cyanogenmod got sortof permission to use gapps in their stuff19:53
Sail0rIt's not more illegal then using CM19:53
Sail0r^^19:53
Quuif its not default19:53
Quuyeah19:54
Quuthats my point :p19:54
Quuthey would need to delete shitton of accounts19:54
Yaniel"against the rules"19:54
Accebennypr0fane: it's not like they're gonna start sueing some random people, they know they won't get any money out of it19:54
slateOr using 80% of the chinese android-phones19:54
bennypr0fanethey just really hate that it works19:54
Accebut if Jolla would distribute gplay or offer knowledge how to install it, that's a different story19:54
Quuyeah19:55
Sail0rif you pay for apps they are not interesting in sueing anybody ;)19:55
bennypr0faneCM has Gplay store installed?19:55
Quuthat would be very no-no19:55
Quubennypr0fane: no, not by default19:55
Quuthey do provide installer-zip-thingies19:55
Sail0rbut not CM itself19:55
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bennypr0faneit's jsut annoying that all "localized" apps, e.g. from public transport companies,, universities, administrations etc. are exclusively publisehd on GPlay19:57
bennypr0fanethe crappy games and wall papers you can get anywhere19:57
bennypr0fanelook at that, it started working after a reboot!19:58
Quuiirc there is site what allows you to download (free-app) .apk's from gplay19:58
slateAnd btw, usually imei is stored in efs-partition in android devices, but dunno how myriad tricked it to be 12345..19:58
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Sail0rit is default?20:01
Sail0rcool20:01
Sail0rit*s default20:01
slatethats a possibility :)20:01
Sail0rmine is the same ^^20:01
Sail0rgoogle is looking at lot's of phones with same imei *g*20:01
Claudyheh20:02
AcceSail0r: well, considering most people don't install gplay and gservices, I guess not that many :P20:02
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Dima^I think these who already have android devices and purchased apps20:03
cloantato download free apps from G.play you can use  in browser ( http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ )20:03
Sail0rbut enough to confuse google a bit20:03
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Dima^and are technically motivated20:03
Sail0rwhat this phone was in germany now in finland and finally in vatican????!??!! ^^20:04
Sail0rgoogle maps is not possible without google env i think?20:05
ottuloyeah, it won't work20:06
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Sail0rthat's the thing why i hate google ;). they have the best maps software i think20:06
ottuloSports Tracker uses google maps, it simply shows a black screen where the map is supposed to be20:06
ottulobut at least it seems to work20:07
Sail0rI am between installing gapps and not installing gapps :-/20:07
Sail0rIf I shutdown aliendalvik everytime i needed something from google are they getting less tracking infos?20:08
Jope:-D20:08
Jopeyes20:08
Jopebut in practice you will not go through that trouble20:08
Jopealien will always be running :-)20:08
Sail0rsystemctl stop aliendalvik.service ^^20:08
Jopeas said, you will not go through that trouble :-)20:08
Dima^what if we buy some very very cheap android phone and use its imei :)20:09
Sail0rI made a desktop button for this ^^20:09
Jope:-)20:09
Dima^and never use this android phone20:09
Sail0rIt's funny what other android apps are sending out data all the time20:09
bennypr0faneDima^: I tried that20:09
Dima^but imes is put some how in to dalvik20:09
Sail0rso it's always safe to shut down aliendalvik ^^20:09
Dima^bennypr0fane: and?20:10
bennypr0faneI bought a super cheap Android tablet20:10
AcceSail0r: I installed gapps, but it always crashes. gmaps still work20:10
bennypr0faneand it was worth its money, total piece of crap20:10
Sail0rbut have a look at the background processes20:10
bennypr0fanethe wifi keeps fluking out, now I usually can't even go online...20:10
Dima^I've also installed gapps and it worked well20:10
slatebennypr0fane: bad wifi is typical with cheap android tablets20:11
Sail0ron a mates phone there are always com.google things in ps faux20:11
slateI got 4 of them20:11
slateOne works "ok"20:11
bennypr0faneslate and it doesn't support tethering to ad-hoc wifi20:11
Dima^bennypr0fane: I mean to buy cheap android device just to get unique IMEI20:11
Dima^for jolla20:11
Sail0rlike this20:11
Sail0r10018    17784  0.0  2.8 820388 24088 ?        Sl   20:57   0:00  |   \_ com.google.android.onetimeinitializer20:11
bennypr0faneDima^: well do we need a unique one?20:12
slateDima^: You Jolla already has an unique imei.20:12
Sail0rthey are always in the background20:12
slate*your20:12
Sail0rif gapps are installed20:12
Dima^slate: for gapps to no confuse google20:12
Sail0rthat's why i want prevent google from starting them ^^20:12
Yanielwhy would you want to not confuse google?20:12
slateI doubt they will track the manufacturer by imei.20:12
bennypr0faneit appears to be working with the bogus one, right?20:12
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bennypr0faneslate why do you doubt they track anything?20:13
Dima^there was some speculations that google could get angry and delete our google accounts used in gapps20:13
slateThey do track device model / brand logging to gplay.20:13
slatebased on build.prop20:14
tmynttinwhy bother with google? i'm happy with native apps: spotify, facebook, twitter, and now even irc client :)20:14
Quui have so many chinese/CM/russian phones on my google account that i cant care less20:14
slatesame20:14
slate:)20:14
Quuif lose ~30 paid apps, i just pirate them next time.20:14
PnuuI've also removed droid support20:15
slatetmynttin: you are. ;)20:15
YanielI actually have one android app installed20:16
Yanielthe steam mobile client20:16
Yanielnot that I'd really use it much though :D20:16
Dima^Hmmm.. in Gplay settings seems that google sees Jolla as alien_jolla_bionic20:16
bennypr0fanelil' offtopic: who recognizes that sampled brass riff starts about 0:35 in this track? http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/La+Reine+Des+Queens/4OrNdi?src=520:16
tmynttinwell, it's easy enough to make your own if you're not ;)20:16
bennypr0faneI feel like it's totally well known piece, just can't pin it down...20:17
Sail0rbecause there are apps which I need for work and they are only available for android/ios20:17
Sail0rand i don't think that the big vendors will port to sailfish asap ^^20:17
bennypr0faneSail0r: and do they all work on yr Jolla?20:17
Sail0ryes, without any problem20:18
slateMost important one of them all, IG.20:18
Dima^bennypr0fane: heavy apps like Navionic wont install.20:18
Dima^Also Waze seems to crash20:18
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Dima^but Spotify and Skype works pretty well20:19
slateI installed a heavy game, loaded over 1 GB of data and worked ok.20:19
tmynttinwaze is actually the only android app i'm using20:19
slatereal racing was it20:19
bennypr0faneor it's just such a generic tune it seems familiar?20:19
bennypr0faneslate not even problems when multitasking?20:20
slatenope, swiping was smooth.20:20
slate:)20:20
tmynttincrashes if you have browser or many other apps on at the same time20:20
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tehdelyhjmm20:28
tehdelytoday my phone has started shutting down20:28
tehdelyfor no reason20:28
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tehdelyjust abruptly powering off20:28
tehdelythis is Not Good20:28
tehdelyanyone else have this problem?20:28
Stskeepspull battery for 10 minutes20:29
Yanielmultiple people have reported that20:29
tehdelyStskeeps: ok20:29
tehdelyi have gotten good at ripping TOH off.  very glad to have a removable battery on a beta phone ;)20:29
YanielI have not really touched it after the first few days20:30
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Accestill no interview.. much editing, really!20:31
Quumuch edit20:31
Quuwow20:31
Stskeepsyou forgot the time cleaning up the drool20:31
tehdelymany revise20:31
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AL13Ndoes anyone who has his jolla via devmode on usb can help me out?20:42
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slatessh not helpful?20:44
slatevia wifi20:44
Accewhat do you need?20:46
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shanttu_webgreetings. jolla on boot loop. was listening some music. first shutdown was ok, second ended on this20:51
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Sail0rI want the T-Shirt "I am the other half" to have something for days where "The First One is in the washer" ^^20:52
Quushanttu_web: battery out for 10min20:52
Stskeepsbefore i probably tell you something you don't want to know, where did you hear about this place for that issue?20:52
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shanttu_web Quu thanks, will try that first20:53
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shanttuok, 10 mins without battery didn't help. device still on boot loop. now on fastboot mode21:09
Stskeepsshanttu: next up you should check with recovery mode if you can do a factory reset, if it says invalid, you have to send it to care@ stating that exact error21:10
slateStskeeps, online support 18/721:12
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QuuStskeeps is awesome :)21:14
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shanttuStskeeps, care to help with next commands?21:22
Stskeepsshanttu: release notes for 1.0.2.5 describes how to get into recovery mode21:22
Stskeepson together.*21:22
sharpneliStskeeps: What does the recovery fix? Does it restore complete contents of /usr/lib?21:24
Stskeepssharpneli: recovery will factory reset the device in 1.0.2.521:24
Stskeepsif it can, that is21:24
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sharpneliYeah but what are the limitations? Does it hold the full image somewhere safe?21:25
Stskeepssharpneli: btrfs snapshots21:25
sharpneliOh.21:25
Stskeepsit's okay to go cry in a corner when you hear that21:25
Stskeeps:P21:25
sharpneliSo I won't be replacing custom stuff to /usr/lib afterall :D21:25
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Stskeepssharpneli: just wait a little bit :P21:26
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sharpneliStskeeps: But but. Check this out: http://pastebin.com/U4XhaRV2 http://pastebin.com/niBd6T1r21:26
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sharpneliStill needs some work at implementing the corner case handling elsewhere. But sailfish-browser calls that function 300k times when loading. From startup to fully rendered slashdot.org homepage it's 500k calls.21:27
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Stskeeps:nod:21:29
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Stskeepssharpneli: hint: LD_LIBRARY_PATH21:30
StskeepsLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/my-modded-libhybris:/usr/lib:/lib foo21:30
sharpneliStskeeps: That's what I used to make that dump.21:30
sharpneliBut it would be nice to put system wide libs to test stability etc21:31
shanttuwill try tomorrow. a day with n9 ahead tomorrow21:31
Stskeepssharpneli: okay, then i'd really advise you to wait a little bit21:31
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sharpneliStskeeps: I know. I just feel like a little child in back seat of the car "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?" :)21:33
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klrphi, are there any media player (for music) besides jolla's, because it doesnt work with headphones for me?21:43
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javispedromeh, pointing udev's mtp-probe to a non existing device node will cause it to say "$FILE is a MTP device"23:04
javispedrowhile pointing it to the SbJ will cause it to print "$FILE is not a MTP device".23:04
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javispedroif I unplug the Jolla, then it won't print "$FILE is a MTP device" even if I point it to a non-existing file..23:07
javispedroinsane, but this means it gets the device/bus id from somewhere else and only uses that information if the passed pathname -ENOENT..23:09
javispedroto the source code!23:10
stephgrun javispedro, run!23:11
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javispedroooh23:13
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mornfallklrp: sounds strange, it certainly works with headphones for me (including bluetooth set)23:16
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klrphmm23:18
klrpwhen i plug headphones or aux in to amplifier, jolla pauses but when i press play it still plays through speaker, ignorin headphones23:19
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javispedrohmhm, so the reason mtp-probe fails (and thus gvfs) is that the jolla default usb config doesn't show 3 endpoints23:22
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klrplol, works now after countless reboots23:26
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faenilsince you're talking about mtp...23:26
faenilhttps://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-mtp/pull/2523:26
javispedroyeah, I'm trying to figure out why doesn't Gnome use the MTP gvfs backend23:27
javispedroinstead it seems to fallback to PTP/gphoto223:28
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javispedrook. W-T-F.23:40
javispedrobecause mtp-probe will use a too strict regular expression to parse a sysfs path...23:41
javispedroit will fail to "see" the SbJ if it is behind _two_ USB hubs.23:41
javispedrotwo or more.23:41
MSameertime for a bug report I guess?23:41
javispedromeh, I can't verify this because all of my USB ports have two logical root hubs (root + intel's RMH one)23:44
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javispedrobasically, mtp-probe.c:249 uses /^[0-9]+-[0-9]+\\:[0-9]+\\.[0-9]+$/ as regexp to see if a dirname is a candidate USB interface23:45
SpeedEviljavispedro: n900?23:45
javispedroSpeedEvil: no, jolla in mtp mode23:45
SpeedEvil23:45
SpeedEvili mean all usb23:45
javispedroyet on my system Jolla's interfaces have the following dirnames: "1-1.2:1.4", "1-1.2:1.3"23:45
javispedroetc. so regexp doesn't match (if my brain's regexp skills aren't failing)23:46
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javispedro.oO(why does the SbJ appear behind the RMH hub? is it failing to negotiate hispeed?)23:50
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javispedrowell, confirming, MTP works on e.g. the ideapad out of the box because of that23:57
javispedrolacking RMH, there's only one hub (root) between jolla and host23:58
RST38hHi javispedro23:58
javispedrooh hi RST38h!23:58
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