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javispedrohow's it going00:00
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artemmapushed next flashlight version to harbour. Much-much faster torch start and preparations for cover control (need to check the approach is approved first)01:23
artemmaharbour QA lately is taking over a week, so if you don't want to wait, you can grab a copy at http://bit.ly/flashlight2301:23
covoxooh yes please01:28
covoxbah, you just changed the teaser message on the cover control :P01:32
artemmacovox: also changelog :)01:32
artemmastartup is really much faster and.. more reliable, somebody told torch wasn't starting sometimes I think I removed the reason01:33
artemmaalso one bug fixed when torch was flashing shortly when entering app from app cover01:33
covoxwhat's new in 2.3 from 2.2?01:34
artemmacovox: read above ;)01:34
covoxoh right01:34
covoxthere's no 2.3 entry in the changelog :)01:34
artemmabut main reason for update is just to pass harbour QA. Activating cover control needs a trick that I want to validate with harbour QA01:35
covoxfair enough01:35
artemmaoups, I confused version numbers in changelog, sorry01:35
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SpeedEvilcvp pnuu flux quu Stskeeps On charging from TOH01:36
artemmaThere is no public version 2.2 actually (I released privately, but it was never accepted by harbour)01:36
SpeedEvilThe first 'knee' in current is at about 1.5V where it goes to about a milliamp. I doubt this is actually charging in any way. If you increase voltage, then at about 4.4V, it starts making charging noises, and 4.5V will charge at 80mA.This current rises more or less linearly until at 5.2V it's taking 800mA01:38
SpeedEvilThe charger seems most stable if you set a current limit - not a voltage limit on your power supply, depending on what you canmanage.01:38
SpeedEvilThis way it will charge as low as 50mA @ 4.3V.01:39
SpeedEvilThis is with the stock software, not doing anything wierd, and about 50% battery.01:39
SpeedEvilMost reliable way to charge with a low power supply is to have a CC / CV setup - with whatever current you can manage, limited to 5V01:41
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SpeedEvilIt does not seem to complainif you vary the charging voltage/current - as long as it doesn't go below 4.3V or so, when it stops - until thevoltage rises above that.01:42
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SpeedEvilany specific questions before I unhook it?01:44
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SpeedEvilAs an aside. If you ever have 'is it in' issues in your electronics life - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MP-USB-digital-microscope-loupe-magnifier-webcam-endoscope-with-Metal-stand-UK-/191001311232?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item2c7890b80002:00
SpeedEvilStronly recommended02:00
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MirvI wonder if anyone knows the answer without pondering too much, but do I need to create eg. a systemd socket file for each web service I want to have? I'm trying to enable Eye-Fi support but can't seem to reach the port from outside even though the python server is running.05:32
Mirvsorry I'm kind of systemd newbie, I'm wondering whether it handles everything firewall as well05:33
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Mirvor if eg. default is all denied and it needs to be something like systemd instead of user process that listens to a port05:34
Mirvon N9 it was fine just running the same script05:34
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Mirvit's good to ask aloud, I get fresh ideas compared to yesterday evening. so, it's probable that in the tethering mode (via app) it only allows passing through. it seems I can telnet to the python port just fine if I'm normally connected to wlan.05:37
Mirvit doesn't bring me any closer to the solution, but at least I know it's not blocked on system level05:37
Mirvaha, aha, not even that, I had a typo in the first telnet. so it works and my problem is not Jolla specific but something to do with the eye-fi itself or the python script (that doesn't complain anything either). kthxbye.05:43
Mirvif I get eye-fi working at some point, I'll post to together05:43
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PnuuSpeedEvil: thanks for the info on TOH current06:14
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pawky|3Mirv: Well, you do have iptables, but it accepts all as default...06:47
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Stskeepsokay, a good morning discussion08:03
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Stskeepsif you have a jolla device, do you feel that 'Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system.08:04
Stskeepsis not entirely correct?08:04
salami`how comE?08:04
Waiteelol the ui is not open source08:04
stephgI guess, 'truly' is the controversial word (but personally it does not bother me)08:05
Stskeeps'truly open' can really mean a lot of things - to some people it means truly open source, to others it means they can get full root, etc..08:05
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: what I feel is Jolla is powered by some Jolla stuff. The Sailfish OS is just a name more than anything else08:05
Sail0rhttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/exclusive-interview-and-hands-on-with-marc-dillon-co-founder-and-head-of-software-at-jolla/08:05
Sfiet_KonstantinUI not being OSS is a pain for some too08:06
Waiteeit would be nice to be oss08:06
Stskeepsi can certainly understand the controversy; fwiw08:06
Sfiet_Konstantinit would be nice to have _more_ OSS, not full OSS08:06
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Sail0rexcept the UI everything is OSS or not?08:06
Jopenot08:07
Jopebut the vast majority is08:07
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: BTW, not speaking about OSS and stuff, there should be more cooperation. Jolla isn't advertizing their OSS roots a lot these days08:07
Sail0rwhat is also closed except ui?08:07
Stskeepshttp://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png is a decent view of stack dependencies08:07
tbrStskeeps: the openness of sailfish is debateable, as is the term 'open'08:07
Waiteeyou cant get an open source mp3 decoder i think08:07
Waiteeor what it's called08:07
tbrStskeeps: I was actually (negatively) surprised by the number of closed packages as seen there08:07
Jopeyeah codecs are closed, exchange active sync support, .. stuff like that08:07
tbrbut that's the open source perspective08:08
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: nice chart08:08
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Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: you can, but it is under license: if you want to use it in a commercial product you need to pay08:08
tbrfrom a productization perspective it does make sense, but so did "openSolaris"08:08
Sail0rbut the most packets there are UI related08:08
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WaiteeSfiet_Konstantin: yes08:08
Stskeepstbr: yeah i think it might be overemphasising it a bit since it's all packages from jolla-non-oss; and it's dependencies08:08
Stskeepstbr: there's always a bit more to it than that08:08
tbrand OOXML is 'open' too08:08
Waiteei still think closed source isnt such a bad thing always08:09
Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: not bad but not good either08:09
tbrI'm just saying the term 'open' if you take it without clarification is horribly overloaded08:09
Waiteewell it's just marketing tactics08:09
tbrcf OHA, OAA, ...08:09
Stskeepsperhaps one way is to have a page that explains the exact definition of open, on the webpage08:09
tbryes08:10
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat I would say, and this is a bit provocative, is that Jolla's advertizing as open is no more open than anything else08:11
Sfiet_Konstantinnot more open than Android08:11
* tbr concurs08:11
Sfiet_KonstantinUbuntu touch is open: the dev process is open, everything is OSS08:11
Waiteewell jolla is more open than android08:11
joonahoias developer i'd hope that the different functionalities and libraries would be documented in some centralized location08:12
Sfiet_KonstantinJolla have closed source bits, closed dev process etc.08:12
Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: provocative :)08:12
Stskeepsthe policy is really quite simple: if it's jolla look/feel/trademarks -> not automatically permitted to be open source; except when you get permission08:12
Stskeepswhich is fairly flexible08:12
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Waiteejolla is developed openly08:12
joonahoiit feels a bit obfusicated at the moment, as the documentation, or lack of. is spread all around nemo repos, qt, and silica08:12
tbrjolla, 23% more open than android! *snicker*08:12
Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: Jolla's behaviour is open08:12
joonahoi:D08:12
Stskeepsjoonahoi: that we can probably agree on08:13
Waiteeevery version of android is developed behind closed doors and then revealed "hey we did this, how you like it?"08:13
Sfiet_Konstantinbut the code is closed, and so is the process08:13
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat if 3rd parties have very nice ideas and would love them to be integrated ?08:13
Sfiet_Konstantinthink: a library that interfaces to a service etc.08:13
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: I find 'behaviour is open' highly debatable in this context08:14
chriadamthere are plenty of channels where 3rd parties can talk to developers, though.08:14
Sfiet_Konstantinchriadam: :)08:14
WaiteeSfiet_Konstantin: well sailfish is opensource so they could make their own fork of sailfish if they wanted08:14
Sail0rmost of the services are open08:14
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tbrWaitee: not all of it08:14
Waiteeif jolla doesnt want to integrate stuff08:14
artemmaown fork of nemo you mean ;)08:14
Stskeepsi'll throw in a bit of a context here though; there's fully oss stacks out there, such as ubuntu touch or tizen, but they don't see the contributions you'd expect08:14
Waiteetbr: true, soem of the UI is closed source08:14
Stskeepswhat's the thing that goes wrong there?08:15
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: the strength of Jolla is to have aggregated a nice community08:15
Sfiet_Konstantinof devs and users08:15
artemmaactually most of Silica is BSD iirc, so the only really closed thing is just Jolla apps, 3rd party of say HTC size could recreate them easily. Even by hiring alsmost same people08:15
Sfiet_Konstantinit started with Maemo era and is continuing now. Many people following MeeGo didn't followed Tizen, as they didn't feel at home08:15
Waiteei just want more apps from the original companies08:15
tbrStskeeps: I'd rather ask, what's the thing that goes wrong _here_ because there is plenty rotten in the state of Denmark, so to say08:16
Waiteesuch as spotify, foursquare and facebook08:16
Stskeepstbr: that too08:16
Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: they don't care I guess08:16
chriadamtbr: of course Jolla can improve.  but Stskeeps point is that "be fully open" is not a panacea solution08:16
chriadam(I think)08:16
Sfiet_Konstantinchriadam: me too, but involving people in a process can help08:16
chriadamSfiet_Konstantin: but it can also harm08:16
tbrchriadam: sure, and I don't ignore that, I'm just saying there is plenty to fix _here_08:16
chriadamtbr: right08:17
WaiteeSfiet_Konstantin: not for now since they have enough problems dealing with android and ios support08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat I feel is that 100 people to support a phone is not enough08:17
Sfiet_KonstantinWaitee: not until Jolla get > 25% marketshare08:17
Sfiet_KonstantinBB10 and WP Facebook apps are developed by BB and MS08:17
Sfiet_Konstantinnot by FB08:17
Waiteeokay08:17
Stskeepsthe other side of the coin, which i've tried to articulate in other places, that UI is special: you don't design UI by committee; especially sailfish ui is very designer driven. what good does it do to open source something you can't truly involve people in?08:18
Stskeepsit's comparable to a code dump in my book08:18
specialthat's a lot of responsibility :<08:18
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: agree08:19
tbrone thing that's _both_ a problem in tizen, ubuntu AND sailfish is that they don't invite open source contributions, each in their own way08:19
tbrtizen has this "we will invite you if you're worthy"08:19
Stskeeps(note, some of the above is my own opinion and intentionally controversial to help get the whole picture..)08:19
artemmawell, you need some *very important app*. If vendors don't do then, somebody needs to08:19
tbrcanonical has it's CLA08:19
tbrand sailfish has a completely intransparent, bordering on hostile development process08:20
artemmaif community doesn't do *very important apps*, vendor has to do it himself or throw money at community/3rd parties08:20
Sfiet_Konstantinindeed, IMO, more than OSS, there is a need to empower 3rd parties (to use a word you like). The design area is very sensible to this: IMO, you need people to understand the design behind sailfish, to think sailfish, before allowing them to contribute back08:20
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever how to do that08:20
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: Friends, Tweetian. Companies don't through money to devs, but apps appears nevertheless08:21
Stskeepstbr: my slides for FOSDEM factually says this, that it's not clear currently how to really contribute to sailfishos beyond stuff like together.*08:21
Stskeepsand that's not a good thing08:21
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: *IF* community doesn't do app, then money can solve it ;)08:21
Stskeepsin addition to that, to follow how open source components make it into sailfish08:21
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joonahoiyeah, overview documentation about the building blocks of sailfish os would be great08:21
Waiteeapps made by community are mostly beta08:22
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: if community doesn't do app, big companies don't care, anyway, the platform is 0.000001% of marketshare ;)08:22
joonahoiwould serve as a good quick reference even though the package documentations themselves don't exist yet08:22
tbrStskeeps: yes, that's what I'm referring to08:22
Waiteeit's not good for a smartphone manufacturer to rely on community so much in the long run08:22
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: also money is only one support option. Encouraging devs with e.g. free hardware, cool support or priority in app store queus are other means of support08:22
joonahoifor example: Notifications: provided by nemo packages X Y Z08:22
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artemmaor making them stars on conferences or arranging contests08:22
tbrStskeeps: pretty much the same is valid for the open source _apps_ story in sailfish08:22
Sfiet_Konstantinjoonahoi: there is a restricted list of API (mostly Qt / Silica) because of the state of the API (most of them are beta)08:23
tbrStskeeps: all you see is "oh yeah, do cool apps, the community will spontaneously figure things out itself"08:23
Stskeepstbr: fair08:23
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mfulzdoes anyone know about the status of caldav/carddav?08:23
Waiteecommunity will create apps but they are mostly unfinished and made as a hobby more than professional and smooth08:23
chriadammfulz: sure08:23
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tbrand to be honest I find it insulting that the jolla g+ account keeps plussing my posts about there being no open source apps story, while the TJC question has _zarrrrro_ response08:24
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chriadammfulz: https://github.com/maninc/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav is the sync adapter08:24
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Sfiet_Konstantinchriadam: hehe, great, didn't followed this :)08:24
tbror at least it shows a certain degree of schizophrenia08:24
mfulzui nice08:24
Stskeepschriadam: oh -that's- where it is08:25
tbrsomething that I'd rather expect from a large corporation08:25
mfulzchriadam: is it stable enough to be used already?08:25
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Pnuutbr: large? jolla?08:25
chriadamcurrently it has some assumptions built into (in particular, which accounts a valid sync profile will be generated for) which will need changing, before it works.08:25
tbrPnuu: bingo!08:25
Pnuuoh, right :-)08:25
Sfiet_Konstantintbr, Stskeeps not exactly schizophrenia, just the fact that (IMO) Jolla don't communicate enough, don't know why08:26
Sfiet_Konstantinso this appears as being hostile, while it might just be about: "what to reply to this ?"08:26
PnuuSfiet_Konstantin: or "oh, didn't notice that"08:26
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: will you share your FOSDEM slides ?08:26
Sfiet_KonstantinPnuu: too08:26
Stskeepsnow, who of you would be interested in putting together a 3 month plan on how we make contribution and development of sailfishos more transparent?08:26
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: at my talk for various reasons08:26
chriadamSfiet_Konstantin: maybe I'm too oldschool, but I like irc.  if someone wants to find out something about sailfishOS or whatever, they can just say "hey, any jolla devs know about xxx" and then a jolla dev will say "I don't, but ask so and so" or "yes, I can help".08:27
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: me08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinchriadam: me too, this worked well for us during collaboration on social plugin08:27
joonahoii can contribute my 2c for the plan, but i'm not experienced enough to handle it by myself08:27
chriadamyep08:27
chriadami agree that it's ... ad hoc08:28
Sfiet_Konstantin(speaking about it: I need to polish next branch of social plugin and ask you to review it)08:28
tbrStskeeps: I feel this is something for the community roundtable at FOSDEM08:28
chriadamoh, yeah ;-)08:28
Stskeepstbr: makes sense08:28
tbrbtw: for that plan, can we explicityly avoid TJC? it's completely unsuitable for a discussion and shared collaboration process that large08:29
tbrwe can link to it from TJC, fine08:30
Stskeepshttp://piratepad.net/SailfishOSContributionAndDevelopment08:30
tbryes, that sort of thing08:30
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Sfiet_Konstantingeez, I missed your post on TJC Stskeeps, you should have advertized it a bit more08:32
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StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: well, this is what prompted this discussion in first place08:33
Stskeeps:P08:33
Sfiet_Konstantin:)08:33
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: question unrelated, do you know who hosts piratepad ?08:35
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StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: pirate party probably08:36
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: hehe08:36
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sharpneliRegarding the discussion about development Openness. Isn't canonical process more like a free work agreement? You need to sign CLA which gives them right to close your contributions08:52
Stskeepsi think the current oss mood towards CLA is not terribly good no :)08:53
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Stskeepshttps://plus.google.com/+ScottJamesRemnant/posts/SiDSNnr5JTY08:54
Pnuu"not terribly good no", is that "weeeel, maybe no"?-)08:54
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sharpneliImho it's not real opensource development. It's closed source development with the facade of open source.08:56
sharpneliCompletely agree with cott.08:57
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sharpneliAbout the piratebad discussion. I'd wish for complete true sailfish sdk availability outside of the vbox environment. Now the alternative seems to be the Mer platform SDK which is (or is it?) not exactly the same as sailfish sdk09:09
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sharpneliThe vbox has some issues with certain builds as some stupid build scripts want to use hard links and vbox sharing does not support it09:09
Sfiet_Konstantinsharpneli: I think (not sure) that you can export the "mersdk" content to a mer platform sdk09:10
Sfiet_Konstantinthis requires setup09:10
sharpneliSfiet_Konstantin: I tried. By the gods did it fail badly. The root folders went absolutely haywire etc.09:11
Sfiet_Konstantinsharpneli: geez :(09:11
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sharpneliEven tough SBconfig was correct still the target pulled it's root from totally wrong place in the sdk etc :p09:11
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sharpneliAnd looking at the mersdk setup guide I'm not exactly surprised of the outcome. It's veritable mess of workarounds for various bugs.09:13
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: thanks for launching the discussion. I was waiting for this actually09:17
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joonahoiStskeeps: thumbs up for the "truly open" approach on this issue btw.09:17
sharpneliIndeed. Props to Stskeeps.09:18
Stskeepsone of the things i learnt in my days at university is that if you work with something very deepily for a long time, you start to ignore the issues and not be able to see it like an initial contributor/user would09:18
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AcceStskeeps: I agree this is true, not only with code but everything in life09:20
sharpneliI'm still somewhat confused by the need to even have Mer -> Nemo -> Sailfish09:21
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sharpneliAnd the need to maintain the slight incompatibilities between them.09:21
Stskeepsit's a seperation we did to make sure that we kept things open source; and a rescue boat in case our effort didn't work09:21
Stskeepsmer/nemo is useful for many other business area09:21
Stskeepss09:21
sharpneliYeah.09:22
sledges+09:22
sledges109:22
sharpneliSo if Jolla fails the next attempt is going to be Uimapatja? (Swimming mattress) :D09:23
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sharpneliHad to say it, sorry :)09:23
* Stskeeps adds etherpad to his fosdem talk09:23
sharpneliAre the Jolla guys currently the majority developing Mer?09:24
Stskeepsyeah but there's others too09:24
stephgweird, my phone just updated itself to 1.0.2.5 again09:25
Stskeepssoon09:25
Stskeeps:P09:25
sharpneliIt just seems MerSDK has been left to anguish. I mean come on. echo 5.9.68.173 repo.pub.meego.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts :D09:25
* tbr can't wait for 1.0.3.x to arrive09:25
tbrthat dumb 'new update' bug will be gone09:26
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stephgyup09:26
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mikmawhat's the story of the guy that has 1.0.3.3 on his jolla after it was being repaired?09:27
mikmahttp://jollasuomi.fi/seuraava-sailfish-paivitys-on-1-0-3-3-naamankajarvi/09:27
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tbrmikma: somebody screwed up and flashed the wrong version?09:28
Stskeepsmikma: did you watch mission impossible ghost protocol where they climb outside the big building?09:28
Stskeepsbasically that, but jolla HQ..09:28
Stskeeps;)09:28
fluxiirc it was claimed the next version should arrive this month, so there's not a lot time left ;)09:28
mikmastskeeps: hah. i sure did09:28
mikmastskeeps: any sandstorms in pirkkala lately? ;)09:29
Sfiet_Konstantinflux: still 2 days :D09:29
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mikmaoh.... hehe: http://foorumi.jollasuomi.fi/index.php/topic,440.msg3250.html#msg325009:31
* tbr personally expects it to ship this weekend ±2 days09:32
sharpneliSo they finally fixed the tohd.service officially :)09:32
fluxdishing out firmwares on friday is the best idea ;-)09:32
sharpneliThat's pretty much what happened to my battery usage09:32
fluxbut I guess, they've tested it properly, no ohshit can happen..09:32
Stskeepsflux: you have to remember that we don't really know what weekends are..09:32
tbrand this time it's FOSDEM09:33
fluxstskeeps, excellent point09:33
fluxstskeeps, do you know even what's night and day?09:33
* tbr expects people in a panic trying to get on FOSDEM wifi to get the update ;)09:33
tbrflux: he's got a toddler, _he_ certainly doesn't09:33
TheBootroohi ! can someone at jolla confirm that 4G support will be part of the soon-to-be-released upgrade of SailfishOS ?09:37
leinirnope ;)09:37
StskeepsTheBootroo: no; this isn't an official channel09:37
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TheBootroomy operator supports 4G without additionnal cost since december and i would like to be able to use it09:37
TheBootrooStskeeps: certainly but lots of officials here09:37
Stskeeps@JollaHQ  ; www.jolla.com info@ or care@ for anything remotely official09:38
Stskeeps:P09:38
tbrTheBootroo: check the release notes, once they appear (e.g. on the sailfish-dev list or on TJC)09:38
jussiStskeeps: btw, I have to take my hat off to whoever engineered the deal with DNA - you guys certainly are getting promoted well over there...09:39
TheBootrooanyway, it can be at max 2 days until upgrade is out,  so i'll wait and see09:39
TheBootroowill we have a kind of changelog in the update page ?09:39
tbrTheBootroo: last time it was in the places I mentioned09:40
TheBootroo+-09:40
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/09:40
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mikmaheh, the fastboot is still locked?09:44
Stskeepssoon fixed, promise09:46
Stskeepsupdate2 is what's out atm09:46
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mikma"14 hours ago via Jolla" rather nice feature in facebook, hehe09:53
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Yanielcan't be long until next update now...10:26
Pnuu>>> random.random()10:26
Pnuu0.748315137330927610:26
Pnuujust choose scaling and unit approriately10:27
joonahoiwrong channel?10:29
Sfiet_Konstantinnope10:29
Pnuunope10:29
Sfiet_Konstantinit is about when the update is comping10:29
joonahoiwuut, what i'm missing10:29
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks to Pnuu, there is a 0.74... probability that it comes today10:29
joonahoiah, righto10:29
Sfiet_Konstantinor something like that10:29
joonahoi:D10:29
joonahoime slow, more coffee10:29
tachikomawrong channel posts are my task ;)10:29
mornfall:D10:29
stephgprobable probability10:29
joonahoitachikoma: at least you tag them with wrong language too10:30
Frye=)10:30
mornfallevery day is an adventure!10:30
Pnuujoonahoi: I guess it was yesterday that we thought that there should be a random-walk -based "ETA of the next update" app10:30
sharpnelidef random(): return 0.7483151373309276 # Fair random number chosen by excellent RNG10:30
tachikomalol, yeah10:30
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sharpneliPnuu: Actually one should make an app that feeds the ETA of next update to /dev/random to give massive increase to pool entropy :D10:31
joonahoiPnuu: would get twice the downloads of the most popular store packages10:31
SpeedEvilStskeeps: On the 'open' debate - is there a similar 'what is open and what is not' page that we should be pointing people to, like was made for Maemo?10:31
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joonahoi(as ppl will re-download because they think it has to be malfunctioning)10:31
StskeepsSpeedEvil: hopefully one that's less crap10:32
Stskeeps:P10:32
SpeedEvil:)10:32
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Pnuujoonahoi: oh, and that ETA-app should get tons of new versions "fixed some issues"10:47
joonahoi;)10:48
Pnuu"enhanced the algorithm" = "multiplied by pi and divided by e"10:48
TofePnuu: I started a little app for the ETA yesterday evening10:49
Pnuuyay! :-D10:49
Tofeof course, the release date for this app will be varying a lot ^^10:49
Tofebut I'll do something simple so that we can play a bit with it before the update actually is released10:50
Yanielhurry up then :D10:50
Tofe:P10:52
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Pnuuhurry up randomly!10:55
salami`has there been any information regarding cordova?10:56
salami`or is it still "we're investigating"10:56
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mfulzis there some sip program for jolla?11:09
sharpneliI've tried to search how to get MerSDK to get full Sailfish repos but to no avail. Should I just try to copy the repos from the SailfishSDK and hope the packages install correctly?11:09
tbrmfulz: platform supports SIP11:09
tbrmfulz: but it's not fully enabled11:09
tbrsee TJC11:09
tbrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/#comment-1785411:09
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AcceTofe: I'm interested in the ETA app too, what features have you planned for now? :)11:10
tbrmfulz: make sure to click on more comments to see the whole discussion11:10
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mfulzok thanks11:12
mfulzreading already11:12
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HarhaanJohtajaThe first rule of #jollamobile is you don't ask about the update.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaThe second rule: You don't ask about the update.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaThird rule: If someone says "update" the update is delayed11:30
HarhaanJohtajaFourth rule: Only two guys to a Jolla.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaFift rule: One update at a time.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaSixth rule: No screen protectors, no cases.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaSeventh rule: Time between updates is as long as it takes.11:30
HarhaanJohtajaEighth rule: If this is your first night with Jolla, you have to update.11:30
Pnuuninth rule: soon(tm)11:32
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stephgneed a rule about a querty ToH11:38
sharpneliI kinda miss good ol Nokia days. You could hack something weird, commit, wait like 5 mins or so and download a flashable image to test things.11:38
* sharpneli is engulfed in nostalgy11:39
TofeAcce: i've planned to integrate some progress bar (not limited to 100%), an ETA "countdown" (or up), some status messages11:40
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gabriel9|workgot my jolla11:41
gabriel9|worknow what? :D11:41
Waitee:311:41
Waiteegj11:41
Waiteewell what do you normally do with a phone?11:42
gabriel9|workduno11:42
Pnuuggabriel: fourth rule ;-)11:42
Waiteecall your mom11:42
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gabriel9|workcall people11:42
gabriel9|worki can do that :D11:42
mikmainstall Heebo11:43
Waitee:D11:43
mikmaand say bye bye to the battery :P11:43
Waiteewhy did you buy jolla if you didnt need it for anything?11:43
Pnuudang, wrong gabriel..11:43
mikmamy reasons were simple: i hated my samsung galaxy s3 mini so my wife bought jolla for me as xmas present.. whee!11:44
Pnuugabriel9|work: first: don't install anything, updgrade to 1.0.2.511:44
Waiteemy reasons: had htc wildfire for 3 years11:44
Waiteeyepp it has worse specs than raspberry pi11:44
Waiteeexcept it has integrated wifi11:45
mikmainteresting fact11:45
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chem|stwonderful... who is eric in here?11:48
Waiteehave you guys used netflix on jolla?11:54
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Waiteeandroid netflix11:54
sremesI've tested it, seems to work11:55
mikmayeap11:55
ln-Waitee: i've used it too, it works.11:55
mikmatoo bad that the chromecast streaming doesn't work yet11:55
Waiteesigning in is weird11:55
Waiteethe keyboard doesnt pop up11:56
ln-hmm, i don't remember any trouble with signing in.11:56
Waitee->reboot11:56
AcceTofe: ok, cool :D11:57
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gabriel9|workinstalled and updated :D11:59
gabriel9|workPnuu: did i make mistake?11:59
VDVsxchem|st, Which Eric are you looking for ?11:59
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TofeAcce: anyway, as soon as I'll have something almost running, I'll put it on github; I'm sure a lot of people here have many excellent ideas that I could miss12:00
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mikmagabriel9|work: more self-functionality is always a good thing. try first, then ask if everything else fails. that's how you learn.12:01
gabriel9|workofc12:04
VenemoI just came accross this: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ae/2014/01/could-jolla-drop-beta-sign-with.html12:04
chem|stVDVsx: together admin eric12:05
VDVsxeleroux, ^12:05
chem|stVenemo: nice irc-client video (did not look for it yet)12:05
chem|stVenemo: does it ssl otr or anything other special yet?12:07
Venemochem|st: it supports ssl, yes. what is otr?12:08
ggabrielVenemo: cool, thanks for the link12:08
ggabrielotr over irc? :P12:08
Venemowhat is otr?12:08
ggabrieloff the record12:08
ggabrielis a protocol that you use for IM12:08
ggabrielpidgin supports it12:09
ggabrieladium too12:09
ggabriellet me find a link12:09
ggabrielhttps://otr.cypherpunks.ca/12:09
Venemothis is an IRC client, not a (whatever else) client12:09
ggabriel12:08 < ggabriel> otr over irc? :P12:09
ggabrieldouble :P12:09
elerouxchem|st: how can I help you?12:10
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TofeVenemo: is communi already proposed to harbour ?12:19
VenemoTofe: we have a few bugs to iron out first :)12:19
Tofeoki12:21
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Pnuugabriel9|work: well, if it worked, no :-)12:33
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AL13N_workhow's the WeeC.R.AP. ?12:35
Nicd-:D12:36
AL13N_workchem|st: eric is eleroux iirc12:36
Nicd-I'll continue it tomorrow, but probably not much coding12:36
AL13N_workheh12:36
Nicd-have to plan the UI and modules first12:37
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TemeVNicd-: what is there to plan with UI, just copy it from communi :)12:39
Nicd-but I don't want to :P12:39
Yanieland it does not work completely12:39
Yaniel*won't12:39
tbrdo I hear the sound of NIH?12:40
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Yanielbecause window splits etc12:40
Yanielbut as a basis it would be good IMO12:40
Nicd-window splits?12:40
Nicd-AL13N_work: I called it WeeCRApp12:41
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Nicd-anyway, this is a relay app, not an IRC client so some UI things should be different12:43
Nicd-communi-sailfish's sidebars look nice though12:43
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chem|stAL13N_work: yeah we are already talking12:45
Nicd-I also have one idea in mind on how to make opening URLs better12:45
svuorelahmm.. I apparantly don't receive text messages - what to look for ?12:45
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Yanielon another note: the default fonts appear to be missing half-width kana among other things12:46
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AL13N_workYaniel: you mean like japanese "tsu" ?12:55
AL13N_workor?12:56
Yanielyes12:56
Yanielspecifically the half-width versions12:56
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Yanielthat is, イロハニホヘド vs イロハニホヘド12:59
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AL13N_workright13:04
AL13N_worki didn't know there were small width versions... how do you get those when you're using an UI?13:04
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AL13N_workor is this like a different font thingie?13:05
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Yanielthe IME has an option to write halfwidh katakana13:06
Yanielinstead of fullwidth or hiragana13:06
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__pvwhat happened with harbour-sgauth? it used to be v0.3 in jolla store, but it seem it's been downgraded to v0.2-2 there --- the qr code scan functionality disappeared13:17
__pvthis seems to trigger a bug in jolla store --- the store app states that an sgauth upgrade is available, which doesn't seem to be true (pkcon update says no updates, rpm -qi harbour-sgauth reports version 0.2-2)13:18
joonahoi__pv: are you sure you didn't download the newer version from operepos previously13:19
joonahoithen perhaps removed the repo afterwards?13:19
__pvjoonahoi: I haven't installed anything from openrepos13:19
joonahoiok13:19
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Sail0rcrappy update popup for 1.0.2.513:27
Sail0rI hoped it was for 1.0.3.3 ^^13:27
vesqu_:)13:28
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ppSail0r: every time they touch the server that seems to trigger, so it's stil a good sign :-)13:30
Sail0r:)13:30
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TofeI really have to hurry up with my ETA app13:37
Tofemaybe I should include milliseconds too13:37
joonahoiI'll make eta app that estimates eta for your eta app13:39
Tofejoonahoi: thanks!13:39
SpeedEvilI shall make an ETA-ETA-ETA app.13:40
joonahoiwe must go deeper13:40
SpeedEvilawk 'BEGIN{print "real soon now"}'13:40
TofeThe number of apps on jolla store will soon explode13:40
Yanielso instead of fart apps it will be full of ETA and meta-ETA apps?13:41
joonahoiI can make an app to estimate the amount of eta apps13:41
TofeOn version 0.0002, I may include an "inception" ETA for my own app13:41
Tofe(which will crash, of course)13:41
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jubo2ok hth do I get out of Jolla browser13:48
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stephgjoonahoi what's the ETA for your ETA estimating app?13:48
jubo2it's all stuck, won't let me enter or tap13:48
joonahoii'm still estimating13:48
joonahoicould use app for that13:48
Yanieljubo2: push it down, like any other app13:48
stephgif only someone could write one...13:48
joonahoiyeah.. if only....13:49
AcceTofe, we are depending on you13:49
ggabrielso, we'll get an update tomorrow, right? :D13:49
jubo2Yaniel: push down over screen quits app ?13:50
Yanielyes13:50
jubo2tnx Yaniel13:50
AcceI can translate the ETA app into finnish: "AS sovellus"13:50
Yanielthe manual does explain that ^^13:51
Yanielyou might also get a popup "app <name> is not responding"13:51
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jubo2I am discovering things by chance13:53
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jubo2like I didn't know on can hold a key down and keep it there untill ready to release13:53
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jubo2that's really nice..13:54
Venemoif you read the introduction when you first start the device, you know 99% of the things you need13:56
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TofeAcce: I'll be using the "LaRache" developpment method, no worries http://bit.ly/1fjrZSu13:57
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Acceamazing! I didnt know such method exists13:59
stephgexcellent14:00
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Tofesorry for the images in french, google is such a lazy translator14:00
AL13N_worki discovered recently that brightness is auto-adjusted on the jolla14:02
AL13N_workhow nice!14:02
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AL13N_workthe simple fact that it takes me more than 1 month to notice this, is the actual point14:02
* AL13N_work gives thumbs up14:02
stephgis there an estimate of the eta of the eta estimating app?14:03
AL13N_workno, the ETA-ETA-ETA-ETA app isn't ready yet14:03
ggabrielstephg: it is clear that that eta is being calculated by a prototype of the eta app, which isn't finished yet BUT an eta is being calculated by a prior prototype to that prototype and so on14:04
sharpneliI've heard rumours that someone knows the eta when eta-eta-eta-eta-eta-eta planning committee is going to have it's first meeting14:04
TofeIf I'm fast enough, maybe I could give a conference about it at FOSDEM ?14:04
stephgTofe, sounds like a great idea14:05
AL13N_workhaha, nice14:05
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AL13N_workoh, ssssh, he's here14:05
Tofeoops14:05
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Sfiet_KonstantinTofe, AL13N_work, the infamous La Rache method <314:07
jubo2I want a cancel button14:08
AL13N_workhey, i didn't know it existed, but apparently i've been using it since years14:08
Yanieljubo2: for what?14:08
jubo2When I want to cancel some state14:09
jubo2i.e. to go backwards14:09
AL13N_worki would like the "end call" button to dissapear14:09
AL13N_workand slide backwards instead14:10
AL13N_workor pulley menu14:10
AL13N_work(and also displaying the number when called)14:10
Tofeslide backwards seems to be what you call Cancel, yes14:10
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chem|stjubo2: to not have buttons is how the UI works14:10
chem|stAL13N_work: yes another button noone needs...14:10
Yanielswipe right. and read the manual14:10
Yanielit has pictures14:11
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chem|stTofe: you have these dots on top of pages which are actually also buttons if you are deamed to use buttons but yes pull-right (backwards) is usually cancel14:12
chem|stjubo2: ^^ for you too14:12
chem|stsome pages actualy show "Cancel"14:13
Tofechem|st: ah yes, true14:13
jubo2I'm trying to "save contact"14:14
jubo2It doesn't have a field to enter the name14:14
chem|stthe first handson video ever showed a guy unfamiliar with the UI use the dots as buttons instead of pulling14:14
Yanielif you start the gesture, the page title is updated to show what you are about to do14:14
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chem|stjubo2: come again, I do not understand14:14
Yanielthen you can either finish or abort it14:14
AL13N_workjubo2: top part has first name, last name and nickname...?14:14
chem|stjubo2: what page are you at so I can reproduce14:15
jubo2chem|st: I was in phone log. Then I press longtime this one number which opens the drop-down menu from which I choose "add contact". Result doesn't have a field for name14:15
Yanielis there a big + button somewhere?14:16
chem|stjubo2: pull down menu14:16
chem|stsave14:16
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chem|stthere are actual flaws in the naming of things14:17
jubo2chem|st: my bad ( once again )14:17
jubo2if it glows, there is stuff14:17
chem|stjubo2: yes14:17
ggabrieland if it blinks, there is radioactive stuff! :)14:17
chem|stsave as contact does the same as on known contacts - opens a contact card14:17
* ggabriel loves it when it blinks14:17
chem|stbut that you need to save^^14:17
AL13N_workmaybe the save contact should go directly to the edit contact page14:18
AL13N_workthat would solve everything14:18
chem|stggabriel: ticking is usually a bomb14:18
AL13N_workggabriel: Switch.busy = true14:18
chem|stAL13N_work: I write it to together if not already there14:18
AL13N_worki need to put this in my systemd-UI14:18
ggabrielAL13N_work: what would that do?14:18
AL13N_workggabriel: go radioactive14:19
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Tofeyep. But I like blinking too.14:22
AL13N_workTofe: the benefit is that you can't repress it again while it's stopping, in order to not have conflicts14:22
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Tofeok, I'm convinced14:25
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AL13N_workthere's a description anyway below as to what's going on, so it'll be clear imho14:25
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chem|stjubo2: https://together.jolla.com/question/21360/bug-phone-save-as-contact/14:27
AL13N_workchem|st: i voted up14:28
artemmame too14:29
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jubo2chem|st: right on14:32
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jubo2I have a minimalist calendar14:34
jubo2on the Jolla14:34
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jubo2I want to access and edit the calendar data on computer.14:35
jubo2it's just so much faster then tappin' away at the phone14:35
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Stskeepsif anybody is in warsaw, poland, at hackerspace warsaw there's a sailfishos demo tonight14:38
Stskeepsat 18:0014:39
Yanieljubo2: if you have a google or exchange calendar you can sync14:39
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Yanielother caldav calendars should follow soon14:39
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jubo2I have to check if we have exchange calendar from school14:40
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arStskeeps: yay14:40
arStskeeps: i'll be there :)14:41
chem|stjubo2: I am waiting for caldav as we use a communigate solution that is incompatible with the usual MfE stuff14:41
Stskeepsar: cool14:43
rcgStskeeps, i wish you maximum success for your talk at fosdem :)14:44
jubo2But isn't Googel all in NSA's pocket ?14:44
AL13N_workyesh14:45
Stskeepsrcg: as long as i'm sober, everything will be fine14:45
AL13N_workStskeeps: you have a talk?14:45
rcg:D14:45
AL13N_workStskeeps: when?14:45
StskeepsAL13N_work: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/technical_introduction_to_the_deeper_parts_of_sailfishos,_a_qt5_wayland_based_mobile_os/14:45
AL13N_workooh, jolla talk, nice14:45
Stskeepsmy first talk in over a year14:45
Stskeeps:P14:45
ggabrielStskeeps: i hope they have non alcoholic beer at the beer event (or you packed plenty of ibuprofen to combat the hangover) ;-)14:45
Stskeepshehe14:46
Plntbtw. is it already known where the community round-table will be held? i don't know personally anybody there so not sure who to ask there except catching Stskeeps after the talk :)14:47
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StskeepsPlnt: since it's a BoF room it's unknown until the day14:48
Plntah, okay14:48
Plntso i guess i'll try to follow the biggest crowd :)14:48
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TofeStskeeps: we could have a beer at noon  ;)14:48
tbrPlnt: we'll make sure to advertize it, somehow14:49
Plntor ask here on irc14:49
Plnttbr: cool, thx14:49
Plnttbr: maybe some flyer on the door or sth like that14:49
tbrPlnt: best subscribe to the FOSDEM topic on TJC and check your mail :)14:49
Plntyeah, i'm already there :)14:49
tbrPlnt: yes, that will likely be the fallback14:49
chem|stStskeeps: what devices will be demoed?14:49
rcgggabriel, Stskeeps well the start is at 15:00 so being half-way sober should be manageable :)14:49
Stskeepschem|st: jolla device only, i didn't have time to prepare any others14:50
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tbrStskeeps: happen to know if phdeswer is already down there?14:50
Stskeepstbr: he is14:50
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ggabrielrcg: depends on how much you drink, how much you mix, how old you are, how long you party i'd say14:50
ggabriel(a friend told me ;-) )14:50
tbrStskeeps: I haven't heard from the restaurant, if he isn't totally overwhelmed, it would be awesome if he could check in with them14:50
rcgggabriel, ah yeah.. got many of those friends myself :)14:50
tbrwould suck if we'd end up with no space for the dinner and having to walk around14:50
Stskeepstbr: /msg'ing phdeswer should do the trick14:50
tbrok14:51
tbrwill do14:51
Stskeepstbr: mcdonalds as backup14:51
Stskeeps:P14:51
tbrlol14:51
phdeswerI am here14:51
ggabrielmcdonalds is so bad that it tells the body to cancel the hangover "or else"14:51
phdeswertbr: Stskeeps : what do you need me for?14:51
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tbrphdeswer: http://www.alamortsubite.com/ENG/info.html14:52
Venemoggabriel: what's the time over there?14:52
Plnttbr: i was in that restaurant where the community dinner is scheduled twice in the past years and it was always really crowded so some kind of booking would be good :)14:52
tbrphdeswer: haven't heard back to my email, could you check with them?14:52
tbrphdeswer: 20 ppl, 1930, saturday was my request14:52
phdeswertbr: Under your name?14:53
tbryes and I mentioned sailfish too14:53
StskeepsPlnt: i'll mention any changes in my talk at least / where things are14:53
Stskeepsand try to tweet about it14:54
phdeswertbr: so just check if the reservation is ok?14:54
PlntStskeeps: that would be great. thanks!14:54
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tbrphdeswer: yes, thanks. (I had sent an email on the 28th)14:54
ggabrielVenemo: 14.5514:55
Venemoggabriel: and you're going to work this late?14:55
ggabrielVenemo: :-)14:57
ggabrieli meant continue working14:57
Venemoggabriel: ah, sorry14:58
ggabrielbut starting at this time isn't unknown to me anyway14:58
phdeswertbr: drink + food?14:59
phdeswerseems they had email issues14:59
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tbrphdeswer: yes14:59
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phdeswertbr: ok everything ok.15:01
tbr\o/15:01
tbrthanks a million15:01
chem|stStskeeps: are you using a blank device or do you finally have some demo-app at hand?15:01
phdeswer19h30, 20 ppl on sat 1feb15:01
phdeswerJust call if you're running late15:01
* tbr marks the stuff final on the TJC15:01
tbrhotel is around the corner, so we'll be there on Time I'd expect15:01
Stskeepschem|st: we have demo content15:01
tbrbut yeah, making a note15:01
phdeswerI probably will not be able to join, but get in touch with me if there are language issues15:02
chem|stStskeeps: a device with random content for demo purpose, so no tricks :/15:02
Stskeepschem|st: i rarely do tricks, :P15:02
chem|sttrue story bro15:03
Stskeepsexcept for when the %$@%@ device crashed and you do a quick hand gesture to shut the thing down and back up..15:03
Stskeeps:P15:03
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Stskeeps(happened before device launch..)15:03
Stskeepsbut that's part of the magic15:03
chem|stso not still there? I was wondering about a hard-shutdown feature15:04
chem|stapart of removing the battery15:04
Stskeepsi think you can do that with a long shutdown, i think15:04
Stskeepsie, hold down power button15:05
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chem|stthat is soft shutdown, as the device actually does shutdown, I mean mor like a reset button15:05
tbrno, there is hard shutdown15:05
tbrit's also on the power button15:05
Stskeepshard shutdown is sometimes done by the PMIC from how i understand it15:05
chem|sttbr: holding it like 10 seconds?15:06
tbrchem|st: yes, I've done it when the device wouldn't respond to unlock once or twice15:06
chem|stoh well I thought I managed to trigger a normal shutdown as the light went on and stuff15:07
chem|stthere should be a warning on those devices that you may fry your hardware when device is still shutting down and you remove the battery15:07
Stskeepschem|st: that's what our red LED is for, fwiw15:08
Stskeepsto show we're still alive15:08
chem|stwell android devices are most of the time still ON in terms for about 20-30 seconds15:08
chem|stwithout notification of any kind15:09
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TofeStskeeps: should we prepare, long, hard, complex questions?15:09
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Accehmmm.. does jolla have support for bluetooth keyboards?16:12
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ggabrielAcce: nope afaik, there is something to vote about that in tjc16:17
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tbrAcce: given that the emulator has to be able to deal with regular kbd input, it shouldn't be too hard to wire things up16:18
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Mirvok, I figured out the Eye-Fi usage with Jolla. it was only a card problem.16:31
Mirvas promised, I wrote a guide to together :) https://together.jolla.com/question/21410/how-do-i-use-eye-fi-sd-card-to-upload-photos-from-camera-to-jolla16:31
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ottulowhy not as a wiki?16:34
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Accewell, I'm gonna order two, try to get the other working via BL and other one I'll take a part and maybe try to put it in TOH..16:37
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clauis anyone else having problems with the Store reporting updates as being available, when there really aren't ?16:44
ottuloclau: says for me there's an update for sgauth, yet it fails to update16:44
ottuloothers apps I've successfully installed though16:45
AL13N_worki heard about the sgauth before in this channel16:45
claucurrently I have Hunger Meter and Quick Launcher16:45
clauthere was another one, but it was reported on together.jolla.com and something was probably done about it16:46
claupkcon get-updates doesn't report any apps16:46
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mornfallclau: everybody :D16:52
clau:)16:53
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clauunfortunately you can't even clear this type of notifications from the notifications screen.16:54
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Quuyou can, by clicking on it16:56
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Quubut it appears again in about 0.1 sec16:56
clauwhich opens the Store and so on16:56
clauwell, it doesn't bother me that much. I hope I won't miss important and real updates because of it though :)16:57
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mornfallclau: don't worry, it'll be all over the internet when the big updates comes (hopefully sooner than summer)16:58
mornfallupdate*16:58
ggabrieltomorrow latest!16:59
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clauggabriel, I will hold you responsible for that, if it doesn't happen!16:59
ggabrielclau: you can do that, yeah, i'll take the hit if it doesn't happen, but i don't care too much :)16:59
ggabriel(jolla said jan 2014 anyway, that's what i base my assumption on)17:00
clau:D17:00
ggabrielin fairness, an update may distract me too much17:00
ggabrielbut what can you do17:00
ggabrielgetting distracted is a nice thing17:00
clauLife is boring without distractions.17:01
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arwe have abducted Stskeeps ;)17:01
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ggabrielar: treat him well17:02
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Quuggabriel: would not hold my breath17:03
Quupretty sure its not tomorrow17:03
ggabrielQuu: so, if it comes out tomorrow, you won't upgrade then? :)17:04
ggabrielin fairness, not a very good idea to release on a friday17:04
Quuyeah, thats why i dont think its coming tomorrow17:04
ggabrielunless you have a bunch of guys waiting to answer questions during the weekend17:04
ggabrielthe other upgrades, however, were over xmas, so that was even worse17:04
ggabrielnothing is stopping jolla from releasing tomorrow, except low tide perhaps17:05
Quuiirc it was 27.12.17:05
HarhaanJohtajahttp://youtu.be/dIbxPVHJEw8 maybe we need to do same kind of video17:05
ggabrielha17:05
EztranIs everyone else thinking of Jolla as the Valve of mobiles now, too?17:06
ggabrielvalve is too big me thinks17:06
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Quumaybe my "valve-tomorrow" answers dont help with that :p17:06
EztranTrue, though they weren't always. But, y'know, 'when it's done', community-oriented, turn out pretty consistently great stuff :)17:07
sremesHL3 confitmed!17:07
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roboroHarhaanJohtaja: lol17:19
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svuorelahmm... somehow I don't receive text messages when sent to me. How should I look into what's going on ?17:23
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cb400fsvuorela: yikes... have you tried turning it off and on again? ;-)17:29
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Pnuusvuorela: do you have the sms settings in the phone?17:30
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svuorelacb400f: a couple of times.17:30
svuorelaPnuu: the sms settings ?17:31
Pnuuyeah, from the service provider17:31
Sail0rnice one: http://vimeo.com/8545094917:31
PnuuI received the settings automatically from saunalahti17:31
svuorelaPnuu: it worked a week ago.17:31
Pnuuok17:32
cb400fdo you trust those people not to send mms or other funky stuff?17:32
cb400fand you can receive voice calls?17:32
svuorelaI received a text message on friday and haven't received anything since. First I thought my friends to have left me, but now I have actually tested stuff.17:33
svuorelacb400f: I can receive voice calls. I can send text messages.17:33
nathrakhis .vault only for backups, is it safe to clear or does the phone actually store accounts etc there to read17:33
Pnuusvuorela: check settings -> applications -> messages -> sms center address17:33
svuorelaPnuu: there is at least a phone number there.17:34
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Pnuuok, so it's something else then :-P17:34
svuorelaPnuu: but is that used for sending or receiving texts ?17:34
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Pnuuumm, no idea.. :-D17:35
svuorela(it btw matches what is on my providers home page)17:35
thessywill upcoming update have fix for tohd bug?17:36
svuorelacb400f: can you try text me ?17:36
svuorelacb400f: with delivery confirmation17:37
cb400fdone, it says delivered 18.3817:38
svuorelacb400f: nothing :/17:38
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svuorelais there like a log file or something to check ?17:39
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HarhaanJohtajatried with other phone?17:40
svuorelanot yet.17:41
svuorelabut will try17:41
jubo2what was the gesture to close an app for good ?17:43
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Sail0r?17:43
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jubo2Sail0r: how can I close an app I don't need running?17:43
cb400fjubo2: swipe down from the top17:44
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Sail0rIf you are in the app swipe from the top17:44
cb400for in the home view, tap+hold17:44
Sail0rif you are in the multitask screen long tap17:44
jubo2there is a glow bar up there17:44
Quujubo2: ruudun yläreunasta, ulkopuolelta näyttöö17:44
joonahoistart the swipe from outside of the screen area17:44
jubo2'k17:45
HarhaanJohtajajubo2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMV9a1ICJok17:45
jubo2got it now17:45
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roboroSail0r: where did that video of the keyboard version of TOH come from? is this a home-made thing?17:54
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Sail0rit's from someone on TMO17:55
Sail0rbut can be preordered17:55
roboroso awesome...17:55
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Sail0rhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9153517:56
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roborommm 100E is a bit steep for a keyboard17:57
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Sail0rI don't think so17:57
krnlyngis there a date when the next update will roll out?17:57
Sail0rI think the price is fair17:58
roboroSail0r: yes... for the work etc... but I am poor after buying my Jolla :)17:58
Pnuukrnlyng: I'll check17:58
Pnuu>>> random.random()17:58
Pnuu0.712695059622024517:58
Pnuuhmm, getting closer!17:58
Sail0rhehe17:58
Sail0rI want to buy it on the one hand but on the other hand I want to wait for mwc ^^17:59
roboromwc?17:59
Sail0rif Jolla presents their own keyboard I think i will stick to their keyboard17:59
Sail0rhttp://www.mobileworldcongress.com18:00
roborommm I tend to agree...18:00
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Sail0ras long as SailfishOS is not fully capable of landscape a keyboard is hard to sell i think18:01
PeperJohnnyIf they release at least some TOH it would be awesome =)18:01
Sail0rthe oled toh and the eink toh are also cool projects18:03
Sail0rbut my favourite is the rs232 toh ^^18:03
PeperJohnnySail0r: there is one?18:03
Sail0roled: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92239 eink: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92408 rs232: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9238218:04
PeperJohnnyneat, finally some switch configuring from phone :d18:04
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Sail0rhehe that's why i want it ;)18:06
Sail0rbut without keyboard it will be no so funny i think ^^18:06
Sail0r*not18:06
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PeperJohnnySail0r: ssh from n900 to jolla =P18:08
Sail0rlol18:09
Sail0rgreat idea ^^18:09
PeperJohnnyyeah it's sounds like something from hell :d18:09
Sail0ri can use vnc from my old toshiba portege mobilephone to connect to my n900 and then connect to jolla? ^^18:10
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PeperJohnnyWell if you can think of it, there's probably someone who will try it :D18:10
Sail0rthat's true ^^18:11
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Sail0rbut it would look very cool to go to the datacenter just with my jolla ^^18:12
PeperJohnnySail0r: definetly18:13
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Sail0rmaybe there will be a jolla tablet with otg hostmode it will be the ultimate networkadmin device :)18:18
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Siddehmm, interesting bug or something. Downlading a android app. BankID in this case and it works perfectly18:25
Siddeafter a few days it stoppes working18:25
Sidderemove it and download it again and it works18:25
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SiddeIs there some kind of cache in the android environment one can remove?18:26
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faenilprobably, don't remember where though :)18:26
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Sail0rhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1406350#post140635018:28
Sail0r@ Sidde18:28
Sail0rthese are the dirs used by aliendalvik18:28
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genjixhow do i change the wallpaper?18:36
genjixi have this train pic18:36
joonahoiselect the picture from your gallery, and select "Create ambience" from pulley menu18:36
genjixthanks18:37
chem|stgenjix: what happens when you swipe from the edge of the lock-screen?18:37
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chem|stgenjix: there is a bit more than that but if you are stuck go to the jolla youtube channel18:37
genjixchem|st, from the top switches it off (main screen?)18:37
genjixgreat thanks18:37
genjixim excited to dev on this phone18:38
genjixi have lots of c++ bitcoin apps to port18:38
genjixand other crypto tools18:38
sharpneliJust don't try to download the whole blockchain :D18:38
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genjixno i have a server for managing that18:39
chem|stgenjix: from top on any screen but within applications locks the screen18:39
genjixbut seeing a bash terminal on this sweet phone... zomg18:39
chem|stfrom within apps closes the app18:39
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genjixchem|st, i get a menu with settings and stuff18:39
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vanadisdid anyone already fiddle around with encryption?18:40
chem|stgenjix: lots of bitcoin apps? I actually need only one and schildbach's client for android is pretty close to it18:40
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chem|stgenjix: that is if it does not recognize that you swiped in from outside18:40
chem|sthappens sometimes18:40
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genjixchem|st, my project http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet18:41
sharpneliHmm. Maybe I'll compile cgminer for it and flaunt on the internet a likely 500H/s rate. Do note. Not kH/s. Just H/s rate :D18:41
chem|stvanadis: aard does the next or the kernel after next has modules for it18:41
YanielI should get zsh18:41
vanadischem|st, kthx18:41
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chem|stvanadis: it is in early stages from what he tells and will get into testing stuff next18:42
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arwe just released Stskeeps18:46
chem|stgenjix: browser wallet? the video does not tell anything about the wallet...18:46
genjixclick all the links on the front page like the website or see our wiki.unsystem.net18:47
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genjixhow do i put pictures in the jolla gallery?19:04
Yanielcopy them to ~nemo/Pictures19:04
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genjixi have photos from the camera but they aren't in the gallery.19:04
Morpog_PCthey must be19:05
Yanielah, the tracker-has-not-updated phenomenon?19:05
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Morpog_PCnever happened to me on my jolla19:05
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genjixi did, i see them there but they don't show up...19:07
genjixYaniel, i see it in the terminal too19:07
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Yanielsure19:08
Yanielif they are there you can see them in the terminal19:08
Morpog_PCpower off your device19:08
Morpog_PCmaye tracker got stuck19:08
Yanielbut they only show up in gallery if tracker has them in its index19:09
genjixok19:09
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genjixMorpog_Mobile, i just rebooted but it still doesn't show19:11
genjix0 Pics, 0 Videos19:11
Quudid you happen to remove the start-guide-app-thingie?19:11
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Yanieltutorial app19:12
Pnuugenjix: also, which software version are you running?19:13
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genjixPnuu, how do i see?19:13
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Pnuusettings -> system settings -> device info19:13
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genjixPnuu, i didn't see device info but "About product" says 1.6 | 13.719:22
genjixsailfish OS 1.0.0.5 Kaajanlampi19:22
EztranYou've got updates :)19:22
chem|stgenjix: upgrade first19:22
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genjixaha great19:22
genjix"Problem with store / Problem upgrading"19:23
chem|stgenjix: open terminal19:23
genjixProblem with upgrading19:23
chem|stbecome root19:23
genjixok open19:23
genjixwhich password?19:24
chem|stthe one you set in settings19:24
genjixok19:24
Pnuusettings -> sys settings -> dev mode ->19:24
genjixyep it's on19:25
genjix"Allow developer updates"?19:25
Pnuuno!19:25
Pnuunever19:25
genjixok19:25
RzRhi19:25
chem|st"ssu domain sale"19:25
Pnuucheck remote connection and set password19:25
Pnuuthen save, and go back to terminal19:26
Yanielhave you logged in to your jolla account on the device?19:26
tbrsales not sale, IIRC19:26
Wntgenjix: if you enable that "developer updates" setting on old releases it locks you out from the store19:26
genjixok19:26
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chem|stgenjix: tell me when you are root19:26
RzRAL13N,  about fosdem dinner who is to ping ? i can not guaranty i'll be free at that time but I'll try to ... chances are 25%19:27
genjixchem|st, im using terminal on the phone19:27
genjixis that wrong?19:27
chem|stnope fine19:27
genjixok i set a password for remote connection19:27
chem|styou can ssh or go in directly, does not matter19:27
Pnuuokay, chem|st can handle this, and I can go to sleep :-)19:27
genjixbut su doesnt work19:27
chem|stit is devel-su19:28
genjixoh wow yes better19:28
tbrRzR: the reservation is for 20ppl, but the place fits more19:28
genjixaha ok19:28
chem|stPnuu: you came like in between like last time^^19:28
genjixok im in!19:28
genjixroot19:28
chem|stok now19:28
chem|st"ssu domain sale"19:28
genjixok19:28
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Wntchem|st: I think it's sales like tbr said, not sale19:29
genjixdone19:29
genjixChanging domain from jolla to sale19:29
chem|stWnt: fck your right19:29
tbrsaleSSSSSSS19:29
genjixok19:29
chem|stgenjix: sales sorry19:29
genjixsales19:29
genjixim sales now19:29
chem|stssu domain sales19:29
chem|stok?19:29
genjixshould i retry update?19:29
chem|stssu ur19:29
genjixyes19:29
genjixdone19:30
chem|stpkcon refresh19:30
genjixok19:30
EztranHow many is that now caught by the jolla domain bug/feature? :)19:30
genjixok something's updating19:30
WntEztran: o/19:30
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chem|stEztran: it is all devices19:30
WntI even had to factory reset my device at some point, the "ssu domain sales" "ssu ur" didn't help me19:31
genjixok done19:31
chem|stgenjix: now try updating with pkcon or store-app19:31
genjixok19:31
chem|stif the store does not show an upgrade dont upgrade anything else!19:32
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chem|stI mean no system upgrade..19:33
Yanieleven if it does19:33
Yanieldon't install or update anything else19:34
chem|stgenjix: ^^19:34
Accechem|st: if it's all devices, did it fix itself somehow in my Jolla? since I never did the ssu thing :o19:34
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EztranCertainly the 'developer updates' button broke ssu domain. Some say they never hit that, though, so dunno otherwise.19:35
genjixchem|st, it shows the old notification and i'm upgrading. it's hanging on downloading but i'm waiting19:35
chem|stAcce: it did work on my device with domain Jolla19:35
YanielAcce: neither did I19:35
genjixslow internet19:35
Yanielgenjix: the download takes a good while19:35
Yaniel200-300MB iirc19:35
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Yanieland if in store you can look at the upgrade banner19:35
Yanielit doubles as a progress meter19:35
chem|stAcce: did not hear anything about devices not having Jolla set as domain at first till now19:36
Yanielheh19:36
chem|stgenjix: Yaniel is talking about the ship at the top of the screen19:37
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Yaniel`ssu s` says "Device registration status: not registered"19:37
chem|stYaniel: and that is good!19:37
chem|stregistration status is for devel repos19:37
Yanielah19:37
Acceok, must be the dev updates button then19:37
chem|stAcce: don't know what I did but at some point I got stuck19:38
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genjixYaniel, oh ok great19:39
Accewhatever it was, hopefully Jolla has it nailed so that you can't do it anymore19:39
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TofeHere is the very first alpha version of the ETA App: https://github.com/Tofee/harbour-unofficialETA19:39
Yanieliirc they disabled the developer updates thing so you can't screw up with it anymore19:39
YanielTofe: glorious19:40
TofeThanks. But the time estimation controller is too basic right now, I will see later how to improve that.19:41
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StskeepsYaniel: rather that it doesnt fuck up without a proper login19:41
Yaniel^^19:41
Yanielyeah19:41
Yanielwhich is what most people do by accident19:41
Eztran'var ETA_ms = 800000000 * Math.random()' - that sounds about right :)19:42
AcceTofe, so the ETA for the ETA app is now 0 :/19:42
TofeAcce: there are still the next updates of the ETA app19:43
Acceoh yeah!19:43
Yanielso, the race is on, which one is first in the official repos, the update or that app ;)19:43
TofeYaniel: ah ! good question, I frankly don't know if that would pass a basic quality test19:43
TofeThere's no icon right now, for instance19:44
TofeDependancies should be fine: nothing19:44
EztranCoverPage still has copyright Jolla Ltd.?19:45
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TofeEztran: ah, oops, forgot to change copyrights, it comes from the wizard helper19:46
TofeI should change it, I don't think Jolla wants to have its name entangled in such app19:47
EztranConsidering that 'unofficial' in the title, probably not.19:47
tbrcommunity dinner during FOSDEM: https://plus.google.com/events/cc8u24ln9fvgnngumu7ereta3gs19:47
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AcceTofe: it's cool :)19:48
Accenow let's make the cover cooler and add randomly changing status messages19:48
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Accelike "Currently patching the sails"19:49
Acceand other boat jokes19:50
Tofecopyrights fixed19:50
AcceETA just jumped to 67%, almost ready :D19:50
Accenow 90%19:50
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TofeAcce: if you want to participate, feel free to ask, we can get organized :)19:52
chem|stAcce: battening down the hatches19:52
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Claudyhmmm19:54
Tofetbr: ah, my return train is leaving at 20:30, don't know if I could make it to the dinner :/19:54
PnuuTofe: "my hovercraft is full of eels!"19:55
tbrTofe: on saturday?19:56
* FireFly hands Pnuu a hungarian phrasebook19:56
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FireFlySo, is the next update still scheduled for january? :p19:57
tbrstill 40h left, depending on timezone ;)19:58
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RzRtbr, ok thx i see you there anyway19:59
AcceTofe: I suggest piratePad for gathering statuses?19:59
Tofetbr: yes, unfortunately I can't be there on Sunday19:59
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tbrTofe: too bad, but community round table?20:00
Tofetbr: what's that ?20:00
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TofeAcce: well, why not, I just don't know how to access it from the app20:01
tbrTofe: https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/?answer=13864#post-id-1386420:01
Toferound-table is no problem for me :)20:01
Accehttp://piratepad.net/DvEkkEEC8520:03
Accehere we go20:03
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AcceTofe: hmm well, I could put them on my server in a file every now and then, and the app could dload it as a stringlist every now and then?20:04
mornfallhmm, tomorrow is the last day to get in an update before FOSDEM ;P20:04
AcceI could make a php script to randomly return one of them too20:04
TofeAcce: I think we should not contact the server too often, if will the battery sooner than the update arrives20:05
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Tofe+kill20:05
AcceTofe: true20:06
Accewe could just hardcode it to the app20:06
Acceas QResource or plain stringlist20:06
Tofeso, maybe we can get the list as a json list ?20:06
AcceSure20:06
Tofethat's desperately easy to manipulate with qml20:07
Acceyeah, although I must say, if we only store strings, an array would be even easier in qml20:07
Acceyou would just need to cut the long string returned by http get.. but I'm ok with json too20:08
Accemaybe we will later need to add more info20:09
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Accelike, for what ETA which status can used or something20:09
TofeAcce: I thought also, maybe a criticity for the status20:09
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Tofe"Sinking !!" -- Critical20:09
Acce:D20:10
Quuhttp://lolpics.se/pics/2851.jpg20:10
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Acceadding the status fatality is good idea20:12
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TofeNew version: I added a status line, with some strings hard-coded20:19
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jubo2I think I like it20:25
jubo2just needs to get the yandex store to accept my password20:25
jubo2is the Yandex the only method to get Android softwares for Jolla ?20:26
Yanielno20:26
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Yanielany way to get a .apk to the device works20:26
HarhaanJohtajayou can install apks and pretty much any store you want20:26
* lpotter uses amazon app store20:27
Yanielif you have problems with registering to yandex, switch to english or use the web interface20:27
jubo2I'd like to have the default experience20:27
AcceTofe: I started making the json api20:27
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jubo2not the crappy experience20:27
Yanielof what20:27
Acceshould it always return all the statuses and their related info?20:27
jubo2Yaniel: I can't get Yandex store or email working20:28
jubo2the maps are fine but then again they're NOK20:28
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jubo2I need to have calendar I update mostly on computer and view mostly on my phone20:29
jubo2not some karvalakkimalli20:29
Viskariany sign of January update yet?20:29
Yanieljubo2: exchange works fine for me in that regard20:30
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Yanieland I don't care about yandex20:30
Yanielnor other android app stores20:30
jubo2Yaniel: I don't know if I have exchange from our school20:30
Yanielbut I have heard that it has been difficult to get the yandex store working20:30
jubo2maybe it comes with Office365 subscription20:31
Yanielit does20:31
Yanielif you have that20:31
jubo2Yaniel: come with Office365 subscription, yeah got that, pay 10€ / mnth20:31
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jubo2If I bought a copy of buyable office I'd have to invest in upgrade ever few years so it's not so bad20:32
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Yanielat least my uni is moving from its old email system to office365 which has outlook+office in the cloud20:33
TofeAcce: yes, for the moment it's the easiest20:33
Acceok!20:33
jubo2Yaniel: I'm being slow. Did you confirm Office365 subscription comes with secure access to an MSFT Exchange server and account ?20:34
YanielI don't know exactly20:35
jubo2I despised MSFT in the 80's, 90's and early 00's20:36
jubo2too dominant market position20:37
jubo2I've got 4 Debian GNU/Linux installations and one Windows720:37
jubo2about the right ratio..20:37
Yanielit says office365 home premium has outlook on microsoft's comparison page20:39
* Claudy giggles softly20:39
jubo2Yaniel: I have Outlook20:40
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jubo2I'm looking at a price tag of 4.95€ / month for 1st 12 months and double that afteron20:51
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jubo2I really really needs the calendar I can edit on netbook and view in Jolla20:53
Yanielso check the outlook thing20:55
Yanielor if you have a google account use that20:55
tigeliboth, google apps and o365 work just fine20:56
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AcceTofe: http://api.eta.denden.pw/getstatus.php20:58
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jubo2I subscribe to the 10€ / month Office365 subscription..21:02
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jubo21st thing I paid microsoft for was Windows XP SP2 disk and license in 2007 to install it on my Intel Mac..21:04
jubo2I used to have this saying of "Always answer the opposite of what Windows recommends you and it works most of the time"21:05
TofeAcce: perfect !21:05
AcceTofe: :)21:06
jubo2How do I have tabs in the browser. I sees no tabs21:08
jubo2the browser is sorta scary21:08
leinirthey're tabs, but not as you know them ;)21:08
jubo2it responds to the shut-down command but remains in same when started up21:08
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artemmaactually they are pretty much like tabs were in iPhone before iOS7 :)21:09
artemmaexcept that in iPhone tabs looked a little like tabs21:09
FireFlyjubo2: it doesn't have tabs per se.. you can open multiple pages, but it's really only one page open at a time, and quick shortcuts for loading a recently-visited page21:10
jubo2FireFly: that's r*tarded. I want Firefox21:10
FireFlyif you press the tabswitching button in the toolbar thing near the bottom you get to the tabswitcher screen; from there you can create a new "tab" with the pulley menu21:10
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jubo2I saw firefox at the store21:10
FireFlywell, you could install the firefox apk I guess21:11
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jubo2'scuse my language21:11
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radekp_hi, got a question: how is it with jolla and QtWidgets? I have a lot of apps that could be easily ported if i used QtWidgets21:13
radekp_i tried QtWidgets based app in emulator and it seems to work fine...21:13
Acceradekp_: many sources tell me; no qtwidgets on Jolla21:13
AcceI mean, they are not accepted in the store, since they are not officially supported21:14
radekp_Acce: i though so too until i tried21:14
radekp_but they might be ok in openrepos right?21:14
Acceprobably21:15
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Accecan you compile them for arm7hl?21:15
Acceif you can, we could try them on the device21:15
jubo2Where's the shell btw21:15
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radekp_i just tried for the emulator, i have to figure out how to compile for device first..21:15
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Yanieljubo2: enable developer mode to install fingerterm21:15
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jubo2If there is no tab-key in the shell view it's minus gazilliontillionmillionbillion proness points21:16
YanielI hope your device is up to date btw ^^21:16
Yanieljubo2: rest assured, there is21:16
jubo2Yaniel: good to know, thanks21:16
Acceradekp_: ok, did you need to do some special includes or something? or just add widgets in the pro file?21:16
Yanielthe layouts are shell-optimized21:16
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Yaniel(it uses its own keyboard)21:16
jubo2Yaniel: Is there bluetooth keyboard?21:16
YanielI don't have one, no idea21:17
Accejubo2: apparently no, but, I ordered two anyways21:17
radekp_Acce: i have added QT += widgets xml and then #include <QtWidgets/QApplication>21:17
Accesince the emulator accepts PC keyboard presses21:17
jubo2Acce: in hope the upgrades fix your urge21:17
Acceit could be possible to look at how it does that and use that info with the bl keyboards21:18
radekp_Acce: it seems also that you can have part of the UI in silica and part using Widgets21:18
Acceradekp_: ok, I thought they were going only QWindow21:18
jubo2If someone knows of a bluetooth keyboard that folds to fit in pocket I'ma have one of those21:19
radekp_Acce: i will try on device now (before i go sleep)21:19
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Acce something like, they work but won't be supported.. you have to ask the jolla guys21:19
Acceok, cool if it works21:20
radekp_Acce: if this works then we can have tons of apps quite quicky ported21:20
YanielI guess you can get it to work21:20
Accejubo2: there are those rubber mat like things21:20
radekp_Acce: e.g. i'd more like to use QtWidgets based navit then the one from android21:20
jubo2now to say this on irc is just stupid if you think there is commercial potential like a bluetooth keyboard that fits in your suit pocket, power turns on when you unfold it21:20
jubo2Acce: nowai no rubber kbrd no21:20
Yanielbut jolla will keep their QML preference21:20
Accejubo2: you mean, like, foldable in the middle then?21:21
jubo2I want a AAPL standard 270mm kbrd with <>-symbols fixed to be on the right side of the kbrd that folds in the middle and has a chasm to hold my phone21:21
krnlyngPnuu: i suppose you know that there are no stupid questions, only stupid ... ;) (to my question earlier)21:22
Accethere are lot of keyboards size of a phone though, like the ones you can attach on the back of the phone21:22
jubo2that'd be optimal pour moi21:22
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AcceI found a keyboard which had (), <>, [] and {} nicely positioned, although behind shift and fn keys :P21:22
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jubo2I sent a photo via Bluetooth21:30
jubo2Now I'm in the gallery ( or whatever ) but cannot find a way to attach the pic to a phonebook entry21:31
Yanieltry via People21:31
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jubo2Yaniel: tnx. that works21:32
radekp_Acce: it works on the device too, but there is e.g. no virtual keyboard in textbox21:32
Yanielhuh, I played with gallery and suddenly the screen went black21:33
Yaniela second later it showed the main screen and a notification about 1.0.2.5 being available21:33
Yanieland all apps had closed21:33
YanielOOM?21:33
radekp_ahh but manually showing the keyboard work ;-)21:35
Yaniel(8 apps running)21:35
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Acceradekp_: ok.. so unsupported it is :/21:36
Acceoh21:36
Accemanually showing?21:36
jubo2how do I make the Jolla accept all bluetooth file transfers from device X ?21:36
Accecalling the show function when text input gets focus?21:36
radekp_yes, QApplication.inputMethod().setVisible(true) bings it up21:36
Yanieljubo2: settings -> bluetooth (make sure it is enabled)21:37
Accejubo2: I think that is not yet supported, although is possible21:37
Yanieltap & hold paired device -> device settings21:37
AcceYaniel: it works for all files already?21:37
Yanielthere is a toggle "always accept incoming connections from this device"21:38
Acceradekp_: did you put your apps in openrepos?21:38
YanielI don't remember having to accept a file I sent a couple of days ago from my laptop21:38
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AcceYaniel: ok, just saw some topic in tjc where someone said all file types are not supported, but guess that was old news21:39
Yanielit was a .cer file (ssl caa bundle)21:39
Yaniel-a21:39
radekp_Acce: not yet, i have jolla just for 3 days, and i just started with coding 1 hour ago :)21:41
Aardradekp_: what took you so long?! :)21:43
radekp_Aard: :)21:43
Acceradekp_: ok :)21:45
radekp_i got a lot of Qt apps i did/ported to my previous Openmoko phone, maybe quick porting them using qtwidgets could be good start21:45
Aardradekp_: no qtwidgets on the device21:45
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radekp_http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gcide-sailfish-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm21:52
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radekp_if someone wants to try21:53
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radekp_it's simple offline english dictionary - downloads the database to SD card and can search words then21:54
radekp_well in this case doing nice QML UI should be quite easy...21:57
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JeyHi there !22:08
JeyI need help with my jolla, its stuck in a boot loop22:09
JeyI already tried a reset via recovery mode, it shows an error22:09
Jey"mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument"22:10
arhttp://vimeo.com/85450949 - huh - that looks promissing22:10
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JonniJey: if you are on 1.0.2.5 then its trip for care for reflashing, if your on earlier releases you can try btrfs recovery from commandline.22:14
Jonniand on next sw update recovery mode will have that option builtin.22:15
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Jeyok, so its jolla care then :/22:16
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faenilJey, you're very unlucky...if only that happened after the next update :/22:18
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FireFlyJonni: what did update2 do that caused this?22:31
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FireFlyI mean, that makes the recovery impossible22:32
JeyI guess the bootloader became locked, or something like that22:33
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faenilFireFly, what do you mean?22:34
FireFly<Jonni>   Jey: if you are on 1.0.2.5 then its trip for care for reflashing, if your on earlier releases you can try btrfs recovery from commandline.22:34
faenilah yeah, bootloader was locked for security reasons22:34
FireFlySeems like a rather serious regression :p22:34
faenilbut they said the next update will have something to help that :)22:34
FireFlyI know about the bootloader locking thing, but that doesn't seem directly related22:34
FireFlyoh, okay22:34
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FireFlyMy phone ran out of battery today, but it booted just fine after charging for a couple of minutes22:35
FireFlyI was a bit afraid I'd get stuck in the dreaded boot loop when I noticed it was about to die :p22:35
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Jeyanyway thanks for the infos guys, I guess I'm about to test jolla care quality of service :p22:43
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Abby27 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6922:49
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sledgesar: very much promising!22:56
ajaijjajhi guys22:57
ajaijjajis there going to be update in January or no?22:58
Turskithere probably will be an upgrade Soon™22:59
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Yanielhow can I see network interfaces?22:59
Yanieliproute?23:00
Turskiifconifconfig?23:00
f00barbazdevel-su ifconfig23:00
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Turskiifconfig? *23:00
Yanielor is there something installed by default23:00
Yanielah, right sbin23:00
Turskior ip l23:00
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Yanielhuh, rmnet 0-723:01
Yanielwhat are those23:01
Turskino idea23:01
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sledgesYaniel: GPRS23:02
Yaniel8 of them?23:03
* pahartik tried "Jopas" and found out it lacks HTTP proxy support, probably should use one defined in "connman"23:03
sledgesstandard static dev23:03
sledgesYaniel: my bad: those are usb networking ones23:03
Yanielisn't that what rndis0 is?23:04
sledgesconfusing innit23:05
sledgesyes, rndis is for usb23:05
pahartikYaniel: My mobile network shows up through "rmnet0"23:06
Yanieloh wel, wlan0 is what I am interested in atm23:06
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Yanielthat one is at least obvious23:06
sledgesbut when you google rmnet, it also appears with rmnet_usb0 :P23:06
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Venemotbr: ping23:21
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