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KabouikGuys, I want to delete the cache of a Dalvik app, where should I find it?00:08
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javispedrohmm, osnews.com review00:26
javispedro[...] "However, Jolla has promised that the entire operating system - including the UI - will be open source"00:27
javispedroand quotes a random tweet from jollamobile00:27
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* javispedro hopes thom will ensure jolla keeps on that `promise'00:28
Yanielthey have not said when ;)00:28
Yanieland it might very well be "upon written request"-opensource00:29
javispedro... that would put in the level of android/aosp at least.00:30
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* javispedro gives up waiting for prefosdem jolla update, reflashes, masks tohd, hopes battery'll last for the plane00:33
Yanielreflash?00:33
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javispedro`reflash' as in `dd'00:34
Yanielsome sort of hacky backup?00:34
javispedroyep00:35
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javispedroaaaaaand thom madeeee the "meamo" ttyypoooo arrrrrrrrrrrrrghh00:45
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rangoyAnyone who has an idea about when the upcomming update will be avaliable? Seen som hints that it will come within january, any clues?06:51
PnuuI'll check06:52
Pnuu>>> random.random()06:53
Pnuu0.2235741085800263506:53
Pnuuoh, must be close, as it was 0.71 yesterday!06:53
tbrvery soon™06:53
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rangoyPnuu: oh.. so close? Can't wait :)06:55
ztane:P06:57
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Gordon`hi07:49
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shaggycathi all!07:53
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Gordon`My Jolla can’t boot anymore… Yesterday, it shut down with about 20% battery, then I plugged it with the sector adapter, and since, it doesn’t boot07:58
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Gordon`while plugged, the “in charge” logo shows, but when I try to start it, nothing comes08:00
iekkuGordon`, do you try to start it while plugged?08:00
rangoyGordon`: tried thje recovery? http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-news/my-jolla-doesn't-boot-anymore/msg2765/#msg276508:01
Gordon`also, while *not* plugged, and after a complete night charging, I sometimes manage to show the Jolla logo, then shuts down again08:01
Gordon`thanks for the link, I’m reading it08:01
iekkuhave you removed battery?08:02
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Gordon`yes08:04
iekkuok08:04
iekkuthen rangoy's link might be really helpfull08:04
Gordon`I’m trying it, but the usb0 interface doesn’t show up…08:05
shaggycati want replacement of my Nokia N900. Is Jolla phone with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535&page=11 can be used comfortable in terminal?08:05
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arshaggycat: the qwerty otherhalf is still just a prototype.08:06
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shaggycatar: you mean, it's can't be used?08:08
arshaggycat: i'm not sure if the guy who's making it has the electronics ready08:09
shaggycatand.. is any smartwatch integration with Jolla OS?08:09
Gordon`when I plug the Jolla to my computer in recovery mode, my dmesg sees it as a rndis device, but doesn’t enable usb008:09
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Gordon`that interface correctly worked previously08:09
Gordon`ho08:09
Gordon`it’s now in eth1 device08:10
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rangoyshaggycat: terminal on jolla is great, but with keyb toh it would ne awesome (on screen irssi from my jolla now)08:13
Gordon`okay. I did a factory reset, and the phone no08:13
Gordon`now starts*08:13
Gordon`thanks a lot iekku08:13
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AL13N_workguys08:15
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AL13N_workfor people who go to FOSDEM: there'll be NO SNOW08:16
shaggycatGTK soft tottaly not work?08:16
AL13N_workcontrary to earlier reports08:16
AL13N_workfaenil: ^^ (and others)08:16
iekku:D last year i shoot photos of flowers there08:16
faenilmorning!08:16
faenilAL13N_work, yeah thanks :)08:16
AL13N_worktemps are about 2°C in the morning08:16
faenilI'm a bit worried there is emergency river today in Pisa!08:17
AL13N_workaround 6°C during the day08:17
faenilhttps://twitter.com/valesiuslp/status/429165080614162432/photo/108:17
AL13N_worklooks like it08:18
AL13N_workbut, if you're in brussels, you won't have a problem with the river :-)08:19
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mike7b4_webHI, my Jolla is now reboot looping :-/ and recover with volume down seems not work :/08:30
mike7b4_webWhen connect to linuxbox it find my Jolla and setup eth1 without address/netmask and when I set it manually to:  sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.42.18 netmask 255.255.255.0 up and telnet to 192.168.42.17 I get Unable to connect?08:31
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specialdeveloper mode usually appears on 192.168.2.1508:31
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specialunless you've changed it?08:31
mike7b4_webspecial: not changed, but still no go with telnet 192.168.2.1408:32
special15, not 1408:32
mike7b4_webahh ifconfig ...14 and telnet 15 yeh seems to work.. lets see...08:33
mike7b4_webtrried recover mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt'08:34
faenilAL13N_work, the problem is how to get to bruxelles08:37
faenil"The flood will arrive between 10 and 12"08:37
faeniland my flight is at 11:40, and the only to reach the airport is by crossing the freaking river08:37
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tango_faenil: get there an hour early08:39
faenilall bridges but one are closes already...got to make a call to see if public transport is still working :/08:39
faenilclosed*08:39
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pawky|3duh... I did a "cpan Moose" and got 'Usage:gzip...' followed by '02packages.details.txt.gz does not contain a Line-Count header...'08:44
pawky|3is perl broken?08:44
pawky|3... on the jolla08:44
pawky|3it seems cpan is using a '-q' parameter that doesn't exist in the busyboz version of gzip :-(08:48
pawky|3any suggestions how to fix this?08:48
pawky|3s/busyboz/busybox/08:49
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Sail0rjolla does not use busybox08:54
pawky|3then why is it installed???08:54
Sail0rfor me a normal bash starts up08:54
pawky|3pkcon busybox remove will give "Fatal error: This request will break your system!"08:55
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Sail0rrpm -q --what-requires busybox08:56
pawky|3--what-requires is an unknown option...08:57
Sail0rtry it without - in the middle08:57
pawky|3noticed..08:58
pawky|3gzip + dhcp08:58
pawky|3well "pkcon remove busybox-symlinks-gzip" at least gave me my gzip back :-)09:00
pawky|3But it seriusly disslikes doing the same with dhcp...09:00
Sail0rinteresting they use bash as std shell09:00
pawky|3Sail0r: yes, makes me very happy09:01
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Sail0rbut rely on busybox for gzip09:01
Sail0rvery strange ^^09:01
pawky|3Sail0r: i threw that one out, but it still wants dhcp due to usb-moded09:02
pawky|3Sail0r: I mean, it wants busybox for dhcp due to usb-moded09:03
Sail0ryep it's using the dhcp server which is provided by busybox09:03
pawky|3Sail0r: thus, we can conclude Jolla uses busybox then  :-)09:03
Sail0ryep ^^09:04
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AJAX555oh, jolla goes assembly 2014?09:10
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jukkaeklundAJAX555 yep09:14
AJAX555too bad I can't get there09:14
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gabriel9|workanyone have some nice headset to recomend for jolla?09:38
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pawky|3http://www.pretaktovanie.sk/obr/sluchatka/saitek_gh20/img00big.jpg09:39
AJAX555that reminds me.. I need to pair my old nokia bluetooth headset to jolla..09:39
pawky|3:-D09:39
gabriel9|worklol09:39
AJAX555pawky|3: those are actually good09:39
AJAX555except I have two broken ones09:39
AJAX555lol09:39
pawky|3you will communicate loud and clearly :-)09:39
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gabriel9|worki was thinking something "normal"09:40
Tofegabriel9|work: that's not very "unlike" !09:41
pawky|3http://oldheadphones.com/crystal/phones/bldwins.jpg09:42
pawky|3as these have been used a lot during the years, I consider them as 'normal' :-D09:42
gabriel9|workXD09:44
gabriel9|workis this used to shock therapy?09:44
AJAX555odd thing just happened09:44
AJAX555volume button doesn't do anything09:44
AJAX555and volume remains at 100%09:44
gabriel9|worki hope there will be update today09:45
gabriel9|workto fix all this bugs09:45
pawky|3I got a weird update yesterday, but the firmware is still 1.0.2.5 ... something about bug fixes...09:46
ballockls -l09:46
ballocksorry :)09:46
pawky|3ballock: lots of files....09:46
mike7b4_webI guess if you get this when try recover:  "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt'" there is now way to fix?09:47
pawky|3why does cpan give me "This distribution requires a working compiler at Makefile.PL"09:47
pawky|3Isn't perl fully installed on the jolla?09:49
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fluxit probably needs a gcc?09:52
pawky|3flux: I am working on it ;-)09:52
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grzywaczSo, how's life with jolla? :)10:19
tachikomaawesome10:19
Sail0rawesome :)10:21
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JeyHi there10:21
Accepawky|3: I got a pair of headphones like the ones you posted :D not sure if they work though10:22
grzywaczAwesome for hacking or for everyday use? I'm trying to figure out what the battery life is going to be if I get one, ignoring the NFC bug.10:22
tachikomaawesome for both in my case10:22
tachikomabattery runtuime with moderate use is 2 -3 days for me10:23
ballockwhois grzywacz10:23
ballockshit, wrong window again :D10:23
tachikomaand I love that i can just scan the pictures my kids paint and create memory games fr them with those10:23
Acceif you do not play with the device all the time, battery lasts 2 to 3 days yep10:23
grzywaczlol :D10:23
tachikomai could not do that with android/iphone in such a short time and without signing up to some developer yaddayadda stuff10:24
ballockeven with the bug it stays at least a day10:24
Acceand even if you play with it all the time, it lasts longer than any other device I've had10:24
tachikomaand i love the ui, the swiping stuff - once mastered, is just awesome.10:24
JeyFollowing my problem of yesterday (loop boot, just like mike7b4_web ), I contacted Jolla care10:25
JeyThey seems pretty overloaded, when can I expect a answers?10:25
tachikomait does have quite some bugs still - but being an opensource customer since for quite some years I can accept that, knowing that it will be fixed eventually10:26
grzywacztachikoma, do you think they're serious about polishing the software for the current model, or is there going to be a new one soon? :p10:27
ballockIn December the official statement was that they want to focus on the software and will think about new models afterwards.10:28
tachikomai have used n800 and n900 since both were available and even those were done under nokia I have no concerns to get updates for the phone even in 2 years time10:28
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tachikomamaybe not from jolla, but other users, or i create some my own and send them upstream10:28
grzywaczSounds good.10:28
tachikomai mean, n900 still gets updates today from teh community around it and that one is now 4 years old10:28
Teguif you want to have polished experience, then I would say wait10:29
Teguand it needs a bit hacker mind to cope with the phone10:29
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grzywaczI want to have a usable experience without too much troubles out of the box. I'm fine with some hacking and firmware updates. ;)10:29
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tachikomaalso - having a new model would not mean having a different os, I don't think jolla can do two os branches at the same time - what was the reason that n900 did not get the latest systems imho is mostly related to its really outdated hardware, lacking multitouch in particular10:30
ballockI was actually quite satisfied with the software state and did not need to do any hacking.10:30
* ballock said while looking at Jolla's voicecall source package10:30
tachikomabut I would also have bought that phone if it would just boot to a shell prompt - as long as there would be some commandline tool to make phonecalls with it ;)10:31
tachikomaI'm not your average smartphone customer i think10:31
ballockand the Polish translation is quite impressive10:32
Teguusing a phone commandline with a virtual keyboard is a bit clumsy imho10:32
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* ballock was expecting something like what you see in desktop Linuxes10:32
ballock(of course it doesn't help while in the command line, but that's a different story)10:33
Accetachikoma: I would describe you as smartphone customer that actually uses the smartness :p10:34
AcceI see a lot of people around me do lots of manual work which could be automated with a simple script and be left for the machine to do10:35
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tachikomayes, thats what i love about my n90010:46
tachikomai can script everything, even the packageinstallation and system configuration after a reflash10:46
tachikomai even have the repartitioning scripted10:46
Teguwhy do you need partitions btw?10:47
tachikomai even documented all - basically for myself :)10:48
tachikomahttp://jamballa.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/reflashing-my-n900/10:48
tachikomait's outdated though, but shows what the phone is capable of10:48
tachikomaand yes - the scripts are missing, mainly because i never found time to clean them up and remove stuff i'm not allowed to distribute, like the newer flash version and so on10:49
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grzywaczSo, can you do stuff like trigger actions depending on the text of received SMS messages?10:55
tachikomayes, or based on your location or which wlan is in range, or simply based on time10:56
grzywaczSold. :D10:56
tachikomaIt's not (yet) documented for the jolla phone though, but that should be only a matter of time10:56
grzywaczhm10:56
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tachikomafor n900 it looks e.g. like this:10:57
tachikomahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control10:57
tachikomaone can find out for jolla by oneself, that just takes bit longer and is more error prone10:57
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tachikomacurrently I'm learning qml as that is really so straightforward to get some simple game working10:58
grzywaczah, based on dbus. interesting.10:58
tachikomayes, jolla uses dbus as well, so ...10:58
grzywaczSo it's just a matter of looking at the messages? Nice.10:59
tachikomaIt's just not compatible to a typical iphone user i guess10:59
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roborofor dbus stuff... there is a thread on tmo about dbus on jolla: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9230311:07
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chem|stAcce: http://dostortugas.org/download/geeks-vs-nongeeks-repetitive-tasks.png11:08
tachikomachem|st: this is also so true for QA ....11:09
sharpnelichem|st: http://xkcd.com/1319/ <- reality11:09
Teguobligatory xkcd... slow me11:09
Teguwas just about to paste11:09
chem|stbut reality looks some more like xkcd11:09
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tachikomawell, it depends I'd say11:10
chem|stfor me at work mine applies11:10
sharpneliDepends. From time to time automation indeed takes over11:10
tachikomait's also about who is doing it ;)11:10
sharpneliBut in some cases "Oh shit those tards changed the system again. Cba to fixed the scripts this time" applies11:11
tachikomayes, you have to evaluate the potential use beforehand11:11
chem|stfor example I got outsmarted by dyndns with their 30days-login for free accounts11:11
tachikomafor n900 which i used now 4 years - it did completely work out11:11
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sharpneliYup. It always depends. And in some cases it's hard to see it beforehand11:12
tachikomafor a fast moving target this might not be true11:12
sharpneliNot surprisingly reality is tad more complicated than what either picture implies ;)11:12
tachikomastupid reality ...11:12
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chem|stit is also the balance of laziness and stress a task may have11:13
chem|stI hate reality11:13
chem|stbut well, soon enough I will pay people for that instead of doing it my own11:13
tachikomaand - it does contribute to a "never touch a running system" attitude11:14
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Accechem|st: :D11:14
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chem|stI heard for 90eur a month you can buy pretty any workforce you need11:15
Accefor some dollars a month, you can hire someone from China to do your daily job and you can just pretend you're doing it11:15
Acceif you code, that is11:16
chem|stno brains but that is probably good in a zomby apocalypse11:16
tachikomathat guy was awesome, I have to say that11:16
tachikomai mean the one who let some chinese do his job11:16
tachikomabasically it was outsourcing the other way round11:16
Acceyep, he was brilliant11:16
tachikomaI'd immediatly made him a manager :)11:17
chem|stindia - china does not matter if the job does not need any skill11:17
tachikomasuch initiative :)11:17
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AcceIf I could pay someone with lower wage I get paid, why not buy myself whole lot of freetime...11:18
chem|sta guy rationalising his own position at I think it was volkswagen got promoted - someone who is even willing to automate his own job and can actualy make it work needs to be in a managing position11:18
Accebut then I think again and realize I would just do what I do at my job even if I had freetime11:19
chem|stwas a guy sorting tools in a box, he made a rack that made the tools fall in the right slot on their own...11:20
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{cms}jolla featured in a nice prominent article on news.bbc.co.uk today11:38
Stskeepsoh? url?11:38
{cms}http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-2596514011:38
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Stskeeps:nod:11:42
svuorelahow do I get my phone to start receiving text messages again ?11:43
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Stskeepssvuorela: that sounds .. peculiar11:44
svuorelaStskeeps: yes.11:44
Stskeepsanything interesting in the journal?11:44
Waiteemin receives them automatically :D11:44
Waiteemine*11:44
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svuorelaWaitee: so did mine until a week ago.11:44
svuorelaStskeeps: how do I check ?11:45
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svuorelaand what's the user name to login with when ssh'ing in ?11:46
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Pnuunemo11:46
Stskeepssvuorela: devel-su; journalctl -f ; receive a sms11:46
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svuorelaStskeeps: seems like nothing is happening11:49
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Stskeepssvuorela: hmmm11:50
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Stskeepssvuorela: does it say delivered on the other side, ooi?11:52
svuorelait doesn't say delivered on the other side, no.11:52
svuorelaor well. it says sent.11:52
svuorelawith message confirmation report thing, it doesn't get that.11:52
svuorelaoh. I got this, but looks like a ui thing.  Jan 31 12:51:59 localhost jolla-messages[1203]: [W] unknown:26 - file:///usr/share/jolla-messages/pages/common/MessageChannel.qml:26: Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to QString11:53
Stskeepshmm11:53
Stskeepsdbus-monitor --system &   and  dbus-monitor --session &11:53
Stskeepsand if it appears there11:54
Stskeepsjust trying to identify where in the stack11:54
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svuorelahttp://pastebin.kde.org/pgimmul1l11:55
svuorelais what I got11:55
Stskeepshmm so nothing obvious11:56
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svuorelaif I'm trying to send with deliveryreports from jollaphone, I_also don't get a delivery report11:57
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svuorelabut sending texts work, receiving phone calls work. making calls work. using the data connection works.11:59
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Sail0rdelivery report for sms?11:59
svuorelayes11:59
Sail0rthe only thing which changed for me after enabling it is the very small text "delivered" underneath every sms text12:00
Stskeepssvuorela: i'm on really laggy wifi at brussels hotel, i'll be a bit slow :)12:00
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svuorelaStskeeps: ohh... hug everyone tonight from me.12:01
Stskeepssvuorela: /system/bin/logcat -b radio12:03
Stskeeps(a lot of debug info)12:03
Stskeepsand try to receive a sms12:04
svuorelahttp://paste.debian.net/79453/12:05
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svuorelaStskeeps: that's what happened when trying to receive a sms12:05
Stskeepssvuorela: oh that looks interesting12:07
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mornfallso today we find out if a january update comes or not :-)12:08
Pnuu>>> random.random()12:08
Pnuu0.0403046213889739512:08
TMavicatesting12:08
PnuuVERY soon(tm)!12:08
TMavicapnuu, whats that?12:08
TMavicanumber12:09
mornfallTMavica: probabilit12:09
mornfall+y12:09
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fluxthe update will be released when the number reaches exactly zero?12:09
PnuuETA for the next update, just select the scaling and unit ;-D12:09
TMavica....12:09
TMavicamostly wont hv.today12:09
Pnuucuriously enough, the random value has been monotonically decreasing12:09
mornfalllol12:10
mornfallit's broken!12:10
mornfallI blame the NSA.12:10
svuorelaStskeeps: I'll be away for ~30 minutes. lunch.12:10
Stskeepssvuorela: enjoy12:10
mornfallIt's however unlikely to drop any further.12:10
TMavicatomorrow is sat, if something if released today, it will br trouble12:10
mornfallTMavica: tomorrow is FOSDEM12:11
vesqu_Pnuu, if its day 0.040... its about less hour12:11
TMavicaI am far from europe, lol12:11
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mornfallmaybe the fosdem discount is a substitute for a fosdem update :-)12:12
rangoymaybe they release it during their presentation.. (or in my dreams)12:12
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pawky|3does anyone know what this is about when trying to install Crypt::OpenSSL::Random "Please specify prototyping behavior for Random.xs"12:36
pawky|3(on jolla)12:37
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svuorelaStskeeps: any hints ? :)12:38
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salami`pawky|3: stupid question but do you have openssl libs installed?12:40
pawky|3salami`: probably a very valid question.. :-)12:41
FireFlyPnuu: tomorrow random.random() will return a negative value :P12:41
pawky|3FireFly: sounds a bit predictive to me...12:41
Stskeepssvuorela: congrats, seems like you found a bug .. :)12:42
gabriel9|workis it just me or should it be better to have horizontal swiping?12:43
gabriel9|workfor main screens12:43
svuorelaStskeeps: yay.12:44
FireFlygabriel9|work: horizontal push is taken by ambience switcher, horizontal in-screen swiping by cover actions12:44
FireFlyif you mean in the homescreen12:45
gabriel9|workyes12:45
slatesvuorela: damn you, now the update will be postponed? ;D12:45
gabriel9|worki could live without ambiance switcher12:45
FireFlyI'd rather see something more frequently-used instead of faourite ambiences, but oh well :p12:45
gabriel9|work:D12:45
svuorelaslate: it is a bug in deployed code12:46
svuorelaas in, on my phone.12:46
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FireFlygabriel9|work: I'd like it acting as the inverse of pushing from the side in an application, i.e. open last window12:46
covoxfuck12:46
gabriel9|workand cover actions could use some hold and then action...12:47
* covox just stoved in the front of his car12:47
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Teguhold for cover actions would make them horribly slow12:48
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Teguwhile the point of them is he quick access12:49
Tegu*the12:49
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pawky|3salami`: didn't do the trick... does it need the -devel package?12:51
Teguanyway, accessing the last used app with a single swipe from the lock screen would be nice12:51
pawky|3Will there be an option in the future to make the scrolling sideways insted of up down (which is much more logical, especially after using the N9 for ages...)12:52
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nandernew update isn't rolled out yet?12:52
Tegupawky|3: app launcher scrolling? ya would be nice, too12:53
salami`pawky|3: do you get any errors?12:53
salami`e.g. notes about missing libs12:53
gabriel9|workno updates12:53
nanderI thought I read something about 1.0.3.3 on fb12:53
pawky|3salami`: the same as before, its talking aobut wanting me to set prototyping behaviour for Random.xs :-(12:53
artemmaAny speedups known about coming update? /me got tired rebooting just to scroll through instagram. Something slows down jolla a lot after it runs for a few hours12:54
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gabriel9|workday is not over yet :)12:54
salami`pawky|3: do you have libcrypt-openssl-random-perl libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl?12:54
pawky|3Tegu: yeah, I do understand Jolla had to differentiate from the N9, but being so used to the  N9 its nuts it does thing in a new way12:55
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pawky|3salami`: Crypt::OpenSSL::Random12:56
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rangoystill more than 1% left of january12:56
pawky|3salami`: oh... hmm will check.12:56
salami`that perl module rquires those libs12:57
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nanderI mostly hope we'll get SDL support ;)12:59
salami`still waiting for cordova...12:59
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gabriel9|workis there traceroute in sailfish?13:01
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rangoygabriel9|work: at least tracepath13:03
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gabriel9|workwill try13:15
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chem|stgabriel9|work: there are more things to come with ambiences so you might not want to loose that switch14:05
chem|sthow about pinch to zoom like on the n9... a zooming out beyond 3x3 could trigger a covers only home-screen14:06
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chem|stso you don't loose anything14:06
gabriel9|workso many ideas14:06
gabriel9|worki had N9 until now14:07
gabriel9|workand that was perfect interface14:07
chem|stwell I am fighting for keeping the UI like it is but enhancing with features instead of destroying useful bits14:07
fluxgabriel9|work, hardly.. it was such a fresh air to use N900 for certain tasks after using N9 for so long, especially when I had Shortcutd installed that mapped the camera key half-press to task view :)14:08
chem|stif ambiences will be automated with profilematic I don't need any of the switcher positions as switcher, but until then it should stay as put!14:08
fluxsimilarly I think jolla has some similar fresh approaches, but it's not yet complete..14:08
Raimflux: oh yes, that half-press was really useful as an additional input on N90014:08
fluxhow super-fast it was in N900 to return to the same app after turning off screen. it was just there when you opened the devcie with the switch :)14:09
chem|stflux: yes and people try to revert it back to what they know on together... are they so scared of change?14:09
fluxraim, I wish phone vendors (ie jolla..) wouldn't save that 1 euro from that one button..14:09
Nicd-so... is it out yet? :)14:09
chem|stNicd-: nope14:10
chem|stNicd-: if you read develML youd know14:10
fluxchem|st, are the new approaches always better?14:10
fluxbasically I see UX design as "try something, if it works then it works"14:10
fluxsometimes it doesn't work :)14:10
chem|styeah but try new things instead of asking for the old rubber14:11
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covoxif anyone is wondering how to activate the other half ambience without removing the cover, the answer is "have the phone on the passenger seat in a car crash"14:11
chem|stthat sounds naughty^^14:11
chem|stcovox: oh are you ok?14:12
chem|stis the device ok? ;)14:12
covoxchem|st: the device is fine14:12
covoxit was thrown into the carpet of the footwell14:12
Yanielthat escalated quickly14:12
covoxno injuries thankfully, it was only a 30km/h crash14:12
chem|stflux: so what would be your idea for >9 covers without using swipe from left/right14:12
fluxchem|st, keep scaling them down, eventually the user realizes it's a bad idea to put infinite number of covers ;)14:13
chem|stor without replacing already taken gestures14:13
fluxmaybe apps could have different-sized covers14:13
fluxmayeb multi-finger gestures could be used14:14
chem|sthmm multifinger sounds nasty but also a good idea14:14
fluxactualyl I'm hoping someone would implement MyMoves to n914:14
fluxoops to jolla I mean14:15
AL13N_workis there a way to detect the middlefinger gesture?14:15
fluxbut that would probably mean one would need to extend wayland first14:15
AL13N_workwhy not use the camera for gestures? :-)14:15
chem|stAL13N_work: start coding!14:15
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fluxunless it has the as suitable mechanism for capturing events as X had14:15
AL13N_workwell, people have done this before, i'm sure14:15
chem|stAL13N_work: there was the hand gesture alpha for n914:15
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fluxthe problem after getting it to work probably would be battery consumption :)14:16
chem|stbut it was so simple... it detected being covered and direction of a movement14:16
fluxit "worked" yes14:16
fluxI wouldn't want to rely on it I think :)14:16
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chem|stdon't know where the picture is "the end of usability" a guy sitting in front of a radio without moving ever as anything he does could change the station/volume or start the apocalypse14:17
chem|stvoice activated, gesture driven, touch sensitive UI... the end of it all14:19
Raimflux: how about a "more-buttons-TOH"? ;)14:19
fluxraim, shoulder buttons, yeah!14:19
chem|stRaim: eat your buttons!14:19
fluxsadly the first qwertyprototypes don't seem to have them14:19
fluxand the half-press-key for camera (and others) would be nice..14:19
chem|stRaim: the idea is to get rid of fucking buttons and replace them with gestures saved in your muscle memory!14:19
Raimchem|st: yeah, I was just kidding14:20
chem|stRaim: sorry but that shit starts me14:20
chem|stpeople buying a phone to change its ui back to n9 or even fckg android14:21
Raimchem|st: it wasn't meant to upset you in any way. I am quite happy with Sailfish OS so far :-)14:21
chem|styeah I'm calm np ;)14:22
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chem|stflux: I'd love to have Jolla produce the same design over and over again, with little tweaks here and there but toh stay for all of them the same14:23
ggabrielnice review in osnews, well written and everything14:25
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mcfriskchangelog for jolla update somewhere?14:32
chem|sttogether jan1414:32
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ggabrielis there an update already? :D14:33
mcfriskthere is, at least my 1.0.2.5 says update is available.14:34
chem|stggabriel: nope but on together some of the devs tagged with jan1414:34
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ggabrielchem|st: yup, saw that, 5 things as per yesterday14:35
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chem|stmcfrisk: where are you from?14:35
gabriel9|workmine shows nothing14:35
gabriel9|workand mine was ordered from Luxenburg14:36
gabriel9|worki live in BiH :X14:36
VDVsxmcfrisk, what's the update number ?14:36
chem|stok the store app starts crashing again... so there might be something in the air...14:37
mcfriskcan't see the update numbers in gui, so don't know. Cant do it with 3g so will have to wait for home wlan. Hence asking for the changelog...14:37
chem|stgabriel9|work: it wont depend on where you ordered it14:37
VDVsxmcfrisk, why not ? :D number is always there14:38
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Nicd-they are doing final preparations for the update14:39
Nicd-it seems14:40
mcfriskVDVsx: nope, can't see the update number. GUI shows that current is 1.0.2.5 and update is available.14:40
Nicd-https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/429261657831780352/photo/114:40
VDVsxmcfrisk, well :) that a known bug then, you didn't get anything new :)14:40
mcfriskVDVsx: ah, that's the first time that happens to me :| been checking for the update past few days though. January almost over...14:42
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Nicd-damnit, connecting jolla in dev mode caused a kernel panic on my OS X14:46
Nicd-seems horndis crashed14:46
Sail0rlol14:47
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artemmaokay, january update happened then14:50
mornfallartemma: did it?14:50
* artemma will wait for info on stability before upgrading14:50
artemmamornfall: according to Jolla chairman on twitter, 12min ago at least :)14:50
artemmaI guess they don't roll out to everybody simultaneously though14:51
Raimartemma: read the replies, https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/42926364412413952114:51
roboronope... just checked for update on my jolla... nothing there14:51
Tofenothing there either14:51
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Sail0r*waiting*14:52
mornfallartemma: just teasing, near future could still be weeks away :P14:53
Sail0rI hope the update servers are not going down after update shows up like last time14:53
Sail0r^^14:53
Pnuushall I produce another estimate?-)14:53
Sail0ryes please14:53
Sail0rxD14:53
mornfallwill it rain today?14:53
ggabrielhaha, so the update came out14:53
Pnuu>>> random.random()14:53
Pnuu0.439599503230814214:53
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mornfallno, not coming today14:53
ggabrieli read conflicting messages then14:54
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ggabrielnot that i'll be able to try anyway14:54
ggabrielso you'll have one fewer server hog14:54
Sail0r*g*14:54
mornfallaren't the updates hosted on cloudfront anyway?14:55
Tofeggabriel: thanks, I'll check twice more to compensate ^^14:55
Sail0ryep but it last time it went down ^^14:55
Sail0rmaybe no autoscaling on ^^14:55
Sail0rwhich i understand because it also scales automatically on your credit card14:55
Sail0r^^14:55
mornfallobviously...14:56
* ggabriel hasn't gained too much love for cloudy stuff this week14:56
Pnuu"Your Platinum Yendorian express card vanishes in a puff of logic! --more--"14:57
mornfall:D14:59
StskeepsPnuu: that sounds like my credit card..14:59
mornfallnot nethack again?14:59
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Pnuunethack, yay \o/15:00
Waiteei suck at nethack :/15:02
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PnuuI used to be quite ok (ascended all races), but haven't played in years :-/15:04
Waiteei've never won the game even with valkyrie15:04
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jubo2Hiya.. I accepted the "change mood" when attaching TOH, how do I get my old theme back? Looked in Settingsbut didn't find it15:09
roborojubo2: ambiences?15:11
roboroside swipe on the home screen15:11
Pnuuthat'll only show favourite ambiences15:12
jubo2roboro: doesn't work ( tried all 3 of home screen )15:12
roborommm you can set ambiences in Gallery15:12
chem|stjubo2: the swipe from the side shows ambiences favoured only, go to gallery ambiences and mark the needed favourite (star, and dont forget to pull left to save the setting)15:12
Pnuujubo2: check gallery -> ambiences15:12
chem|stjubo2: I told you to watch the video channel on youtube...15:13
chem|stjubo2: that is another RTFM^^15:14
chem|stjubo2: as there is a bug in tohd.service you might want to mask it from your services (will stop changing ambiences with toh too)15:15
Sail0rmy jolla is downloading something15:15
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Sail0rhm wasn't jolla update15:17
Sail0rjust app update15:17
Sail0r^^15:17
roborolol15:18
jubo2'k got it.. favorited from gallery and then left-sweep to change theme15:19
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Sail0rjolla apps show updates available15:22
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Sail0rbut i update them only after i did a system update ^^15:23
Sail0rlearned from last time :x15:23
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Nicd-yeah, that's a definite usability problem15:25
Nicd-in my opinion15:25
Sail0rmaybe they learned from last time15:26
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Sail0rand it's no happening anymore15:26
Sail0rbut I don't want to be the one to try15:26
Sail0r^^15:26
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nanderStill no 1.0.3.3 :(15:27
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PnuuI bet it won't be 1.0.3.315:28
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Sail0r1.0.3.715:29
Sail0rmaybe?15:29
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MellissaTheBest_http://j.gs/3Nkb !!!15:30
MellissaTheBest_Oh, wrong channel15:30
MellissaTheBest_Sorry Guys, Love you, Bye!15:30
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Nicd-damn spammers15:30
matokingI'm starting to hate this spambot15:30
Sail0r-.-15:30
matokingWait15:30
matokingI already hated it15:30
Sail0rlol15:30
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ggabrielat least it said wc15:30
mornfallggabriel: diversionary tactic15:31
Nicd-even more annoying than the usual since it joins many times and then spams 4 lines15:31
Stskeepsanybody else in brussels for FOSDEM today?15:31
Sage_o/ :)15:31
Sail0rnope sorry15:31
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Nicd-hehehe, now I have 1.0.2.5 available :D15:32
Nicd-even though it's installed15:32
Sail0ryeeeag15:32
Sail0r*yeah ^^15:32
Nicd-maybe I checked one too many times15:32
Sail0rmaybe they should make a contest15:33
TMavicait shouldnt have update todaY15:33
Sail0rthe jolla which checked more often then the others get the update first15:33
Sail0r^^15:33
Nicd-TMavica: based on what information?15:34
Stskeepseach time you check for an update, it gets postponed 1 minute.15:34
Sage_:)15:34
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joonahoiStskeeps: by the comments on this channel, the update will be coming around january 204215:36
nanderIt seems it only checks once per x minutes anyway15:36
joonahoiif that's the case15:36
nandersometimes it's waiting, sometimes it just stays at up to date here15:37
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TMavicaNicd- no information, just guess, LOL15:38
Nicd-TMavica: they've hinted pretty hard at today15:39
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Sail0rinteresting my jolla shows app updates available the one from a friend does not15:41
Sail0r^^15:41
sremes"pkcon get-updates" shows a lot of upgradable packages15:43
Nicd-hmm, better unmask my tohd15:45
Sail0ron the together they said that the masked tohd is not a problem for update15:45
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mikmanicd-: now.. let's make that as bear grylls -meme, shall we?15:45
mikmanicd-: "UPDATE IS COMING! BETTER UNMASK MY TOHD!"15:46
mikmaor, game of thrones -meme15:46
Sail0rlol15:46
Sail0ran aliendalvik update is showing15:47
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Sail0rcurrent: aliendalvik-0.5.8-4.armv7hl  update: aliendalvik-0.7.1-2.armv7hl15:48
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Nicd-mikma: sorry, never seen bear grylls15:49
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Nicd-based on the pictures wouldn't that be "Update is coming. Better drink my own piss!"?15:50
Stskeepsalso, guys, if something is indeed coming, please, for the love of god, use the built in update method, not command line15:50
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Stskeepsi'm not going to clean up the mess :P15:50
TMavicaO, maybe I am wrong, update will happen today, sorry15:50
mikmahehe15:50
Sage_Stskeeps: they get to keep all the pieces ;)15:51
TofeMy estimation app did forsee this ! At least in one of the proposed scenarios...15:51
mornfallforesee what?15:51
mikmastskeeps: hey. regarding of the soon(tm), do we need to unmask and start the tohd or can we let it be and update will handle it?15:51
Sail0rI am only looking for updates and not updating from command line ;). Because I don't want my phone get broken ^^15:51
Tofemornfall: the update timing15:51
Nicd-yay, tohd.service enabled15:51
Stskeepsmikma: well, you guys disabled it, i guess you should reenable it, :P15:52
Nicd-mikma: I would - and did - unmask it just to be sure15:52
Sage_mikma: if you have masked it you need ot unmask it yourself, though it shouldn't break anything but it will most probably be still masked even after update.15:52
TofeNicd-: unmask + reboot15:52
Nicd-Tofe: why reboot?15:52
mornfallStskeeps: you guys broke it, I guess you should fix it :P15:52
mikmathat just means i need to pop my holla into charger, just in case15:52
TofeNicd-: because otherwise the service is still not started15:52
Nicd-mornfall: it wasn't broken, it was a feature15:52
Nicd-Tofe: I just started it with systemctl15:53
mornfallNicd-: orly? :P15:53
TofeNicd-: well, yes, I'm just being extra-careful, but I agree it's sufficient.15:53
roboromornfall: indeed... it was the battery drain feature15:53
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Sail0rthis feature was powered by <insert battery manufacture here> ;)15:54
mornfallStskeeps: so is the builtin updater going to write all over my conffile changes? :P15:54
TofeSail0r: I'm sure some baby seals died because of this15:55
Sail0rbetter have a backup @ mornfall ;)15:55
mornfalleither way, rolling an update on Friday at the end of office hours is pretty adventurous :-)15:57
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Tegunobody has confirmed it :P15:57
Tofemornfall: in addition, think that some Jolla people will be giving a conference the next day!15:57
Tegu(I think(15:57
Sail0rsounds like my company15:58
Sail0r^^15:58
mornfallalthough maybe the idea is to catch most people stuck in rush hour on 3G to ease it for the servers :P15:58
Sage_mornfall: office hours?15:58
mornfallSage_: well, it's 5pm, most people leave office around this time don't they?15:58
StskeepsTofe: yeah, quite happy i'm not in any way related to relase processes..15:59
Stskeeps:P15:59
Sage_mornfall: office?15:59
grzywaczLeave?15:59
Tegutimezones?15:59
TofeWeek-end ?15:59
* Sage_ is confused what mornfall is talking about15:59
mikmamornfall: depends when they came in and do they have "pekkaspäivät" or "työajanlyhennys" ;D15:59
mornfallSage_: I have read about it on the Internet16:00
TMavicastskeeps, any idea when other new input method?16:00
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StskeepsTMavica: which one in particular are you interested in?16:00
mornfallSage_: they say people go to office in the morning and leave in the afternoon, on both occasions they love to form huge piles of cars that can't move16:00
TMavicasure is chinese...16:01
TMavicaI am Hong Kong...Hong Kong er wont use that input method16:01
TMavicait is suck16:01
StskeepsTMavica: so hong kong typically uses handwriting recognition right?16:01
TMavicaquick and handwriting16:02
Stskeepsfrom the little i understand of the market16:02
TMavicaknow who is amanda?16:02
Sage_mornfall: ok well something I haven't used to at least. For me work environment means laptop (or my phone in some cases) and place to sit or stand. Time/timezone/location doesn't really seem to matter that much ;)16:02
mornfallSage_: didn't try it yet, but it has to be great if so many people do it like 5 times a week?16:02
StskeepsTMavica: yes, amanda lam right?16:02
TMavicayes16:02
TMavicaWe most concern is that,,,16:02
TMavicaeverything is fine, just we cant type traditional chinese...just use english16:03
TMavicaPinyin is just for China...16:03
TMavicathey use simpified chinese, Hong Kong never use this16:03
StskeepsTMavica: yes16:03
Stskeepsso, in the current versions of sailfishos, there's only pinyin which is keyboard-based and prediction?16:04
TMavicaYes16:04
Stskeepsok16:04
TMavicathe chinese input we want is same as in n916:04
Sage_Stskeeps: found anyone else who joins to have some dinner?16:05
StskeepsSage_: me, you+your wife, fk_lx, faenil, that's about the people that's around at that time it seems16:05
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Stskeepsprobably difficult to organize more atm. venemo arrives at 8pm16:05
Stskeepsand UK guys at 716:05
radekphi, i stared working on gnuchess GUI, if someone wants to try: http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/sailfish-chess-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm16:06
TMavicaPinyin really is a wrong choice16:06
radekpyou will need working gnuchess installed first...16:06
StskeepsTMavica: yes, i understand that16:06
Sage_Stskeeps: wife not entirely sure yet but lets see16:06
StskeepsSage_: oki16:06
TMavicabut i dont know 1.033 have include other input method or not, LOL16:07
StskeepsTMavica: checking for you right now :)16:07
TMavicaTHX!16:07
TMavicabut i think wont have16:07
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mornfallhm, talking of wives, mine's in Brussels too ... only I'm not, talk of irony (she's a musician)16:08
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TMavicamany update show in warehouse16:10
mornfallI'd leave warehouse alone for the time being.16:10
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Sage_eleroux: I see you are nearby based on your address (.be)16:14
mornfallSage_: possibly abusing someone else's dsl :-)16:14
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StskeepsSage_: i'm going to veeery slowly walk towards chi-chi's16:17
StskeepsSage_: see you outside16:18
jukkaeklundhave fun!16:18
Stskeeps(for the record, chi-chi's is not, as it sounds, a exotic dancer bar..)16:18
slateso you say16:18
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* merlin1991 just had the funkiest experience while receiving a call16:21
Sage_Stskeeps: outside chichi?16:21
slateMy device is making ghost calls in my pocket.16:21
slateAlso quite exotic.16:22
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Sail0rghost whisperer?16:22
Morpog_PComg warehouse finds alot of nemo updates, next release must be imminent :D16:22
merlin1991jolla did play the ringtone, but the dialer didn't show up, when I tried to launch it manually it had no visible ui elements except for some artifacts at the top and bottom, trying to drag the dialer as usual to answer the call had no effect16:22
slateyesterday I was cycling home from work. Device screen off in my pocket. Had dialed one dude from my contacts in the middle of the way. Happened before too.16:23
slateNo idea why.16:23
merlin1991damn I should have taken a video, it was so weird and obviously some bug16:23
mornfallslate: nsa penetration testing16:25
elerouxSage_: indeed, I'm 50km away from Brussels atm ;)16:25
slatemornfall: prolly, just dont know why they try to contact my mother.16:26
slate;)16:26
mikmai had heebo running and it turned off a incoming call for some reason :D16:26
mikmano biggie, it was mother in law anyway16:27
mornfallslate: would be suspicious if they called a nsa phone number :-)16:27
TMavicareset to factory and waiting for update16:27
Sail0roO16:27
mikma0800-nsa-hotline16:28
slateTMavica: who?16:28
TMavicai at 1.005 now16:28
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mikmaooh update available! 1.0.2.516:29
mikmagotta love these announcements :D16:29
Teguhaha :D16:30
slatewell they promised an update in january.. did not say which one though.16:30
slate;)16:30
Teguit usually happens after reboot16:30
TMavica~_~16:30
mikmaand that's what i did, spent like 8h of battery16:30
slatestupid fool16:30
slateyou should never reboot16:30
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StskeepsSage_: yes16:32
mikmaand display wont turn off again16:34
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Pnuuslate: url to the promise?16:37
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jukkaeklundhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:jan14/page:1/16:38
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slatePnuu: there was one in twitter about monthly updates and next one coming soon16:40
slateon 27.1.16:41
Quuiirc its not promise16:41
slateOkey. I see that a promise of monthly updates.16:41
Quuits more of target they want to keep16:41
Pnuumonthly as in average or one each month?16:41
HarhaanJohtajahttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/42411008408014438516:42
PnuuQuu: yup, my view too16:42
jukkaeklundmonthly as in January update today, and February update next month and so forth16:42
HarhaanJohtajahttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/42601346702877491216:42
slateHarhaanJohtaja: thanks16:42
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QuuPnuu: yeah, and it doesnt matter what you/me think because all these other people are always correct16:43
slateCouldn't find those. :)16:43
sremes1.0.3.8 available!16:43
Teguyes!16:43
Tegugot it too16:43
PnuuQuu: touche16:43
Quuinstalle'd16:43
Sail0r1.0.3.816:43
Tegujust started typing16:43
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Teguand you announced it first :(16:43
slateworth a whine16:43
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slate;D16:43
slate"oh diem lets just do it"16:43
slatetohd-fix16:44
slatenice,16:44
Nicd-yes! available16:44
Quuhue16:44
Quualready installed and it keeps saying new update available16:44
Quuand store crashed16:45
TMavicaany changelog announced?16:45
Aardhttps://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/16:46
Quu*cough* kinda told you the version number wont be 1.0.3.3 but nobody believed me :p16:47
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Tegu200-250 MB :o pretty large16:48
Sail0r:)16:48
AardQuu: store crashed?16:48
Quuafter update, yes16:48
slateairplanemode-fix <316:49
mikmaso, jolla people are not planning on having a free weekend.. hehe16:49
AardTegu: we managed to get rid of all compat linking to x11 libraries -> most of the base system gets updated16:49
QuuAard: but its downloading update again now, not sure if it installed at all on first time.. :p16:49
AardQuu: more details?16:49
slatemikma: all working @ FOSDEM16:49
Teguah, okay16:49
QuuAard: updated, rebooted, said new update and store kept crashing until i rebooted16:49
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FireFlyheh16:50
FireFlySo it did come in January after all16:50
AardFireFly: you had doubt? :p16:51
FireFlyA bit :p16:51
AardQuu: how long did it take to download the update first try?16:51
QuuAard: ~25min on wlan16:51
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Sail0r5min on wlan16:51
Venemo_jhey16:51
Venemo_jit's sooo boring to wait for the damn plane16:51
AardQuu: and you waited until it installed and rebooted by itself? (note that the screen may blank during install phase)16:52
AardVenemo_j: update your jolla? :p16:52
QuuAard: but the update/install part didnt take this long, now its been something like 5min already16:52
Venemo_jAard: at the airport? from mobile data?16:52
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AardVenemo_j: bonus fun.16:52
TMavicacant directly go to 1.038 from 1.005, LOL16:52
Venemo_jAard: nah, maybe tomorrow16:53
AardTMavica: oh, thanks for the reminder16:53
Venemo_jAard: or maybe when I arrived at the beer event and met with Stskeeps and faenil16:53
TMavicai am upgrading to 1.025..16:54
mornfalloh, there's an update? :-P16:54
Venemo_jprovided the place has wifi, of course :P16:55
mornfallapparently16:55
QuuDisables Android phone app playing ringtone on receiving an incoming call16:55
Quulol16:55
Quudid that happen? :D16:55
AardQuu: in some rare cornercases16:55
Morpog_PCImproved recovery mode functionality introducing new features such as bootloader unlocking, shell and filesystem recovery options16:55
Morpog_PChope that stops the whining :D16:55
Quuprobably wont16:56
Quupeople be bitching always16:56
* artemma is reading chat to see if the update crashed somebody's phone hard or if it's safe to upgrade16:56
Morpog_PCno risk no fun artemma16:56
Quuartemma: cant say yet, wait ~10min :)16:56
artemmaMorpog_PC: I hope you love fun then :D16:56
Venemo_jAard: can you gimme the changelog?16:57
Triztanything that can stop working when updating to 1.0.3.8? like do I need to disable dev mode and uninstall 3rd party packages?16:57
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PnuuQuu: I said the same abt version number :-)16:57
FryeOi, update!16:57
AardVenemo_j: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/16:57
Morpog_PCI just started the TOHD service before i started the update16:57
FryeAard, too late for relnotes. I'm already installing :D16:57
artemmasomebody ( kontio or kaltsi ?) also said yesterday that maybe my Quick Launcher update will eventually be pushed to people after new update is out. Not sure why it's related though16:58
AardTrizt: developer mode not an issue, 3rd party packages depends on what you installed16:58
TMavicareally no chinese virtual keyboard.16:58
artemmayeah, we need to unmask tohd before update probably16:58
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* artemma needs to learn/recall how to re-enable tohd..16:58
Morpog_PCsystemctl start tohd.service16:58
Venemo_jthx Aard :)16:58
Sail0rmaybe for the next update you should prevent the display from going to sleep16:59
Sail0rit's a bit shocky16:59
TriztAard: it's a handful from warehouse, don't remember of hand16:59
Sail0rand some people will try to reset the device if the display fades black during update16:59
mornfallSail0r: aw, c'mon, it's a multitasking phone16:59
mornfallyou can play heebo while upgrade is running :P17:00
artemmaMorpog_PC: don't I need to unmask it as well?17:00
Morpog_PCsure, if you masked it17:00
AardSail0r: it won't happen with the next update :)17:00
Sail0rthx Aard :)17:00
artemmaMorpog_PC: thx17:00
Morpog_PCI haven't masked it17:00
AardSail0r: for this update the best we could do was mention it in the release notes, unfortunately17:00
Morpog_PCmmmh, I hate my slow connection, download just caneled :(17:01
artemma"Performance improvements to pulley menus" promised! Hooray! Some performance items made it to update!17:01
Sail0rit's totally fine for me because i read the release notes but there are people out (my mom) which go like "WAHAH Screen black during update i will power it on again" and then it's broken ^^17:01
Morpog_PCor Jolla servers get hamemred again ;)17:01
Sail0rinterestting17:02
FryeI made a mental note earlier that when ever there is a update notification, Download it first and ask questions later :D17:02
Sail0rI got a ambience mixup17:02
javisailoh, update, just as I board the plane17:02
AardTMavica: added a comment about having to go to 1.0.2.5 first to release notes17:02
Sail0rstartscreen and lockscreen are fine with my custom ambience17:02
Sail0rbut when i go to settings17:02
artemmajavisail: when you get to the other side, you'll already know how finely it rolls out ;)17:02
Sail0rthe first one ambience is in background17:02
Sail0r^^17:02
PnuuI'll be waiting until not in a car before starting the upgrade17:02
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Pnuuor am I... :-P17:03
TMavicaAard to here?17:03
Sail0rok it's in every application17:03
TMavicato where?17:03
AardTMavica: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/17:03
TMavicaok17:03
Sail0rhad to switch to my ambience manually now it's ok ^^17:03
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artemmaSo calenda still doesn't know how to fix upstream to Google Calendar?17:04
Aardartemma: fix upstream?17:04
Nicd-I think he means 2-way sync17:04
artemmato sync* upstream17:04
artemmaNicd-: yes17:04
Nicd-waiting for that and 2-way contacts sync17:04
TMavicaadded17:04
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Aardartemma: no, 2-way sync is still being worked on. on-way sync for google calendar is a bit of a dirty hack done to make this available early on17:05
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artemmaAard: thx17:05
artemmaAard: will app updates now go to the people phones if you know? :D17:05
Venemo_jgotta quit now, ttyl17:05
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Aardartemma: can you rephrase? :)17:06
artemmaAard: sorry, I thought I already got to everybody's throut with my desires :)17:06
Skorpyscreen went blank a while ago. does the device restart after the update?17:06
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AardSkorpy: yes17:07
FryeSkorpy, short press on power button to show status17:07
SkorpyAard: ok, great17:07
SkorpyFrye: oh, nice. thanks17:07
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artemmaAard: Quick Launcher app update by me is in Approved state for several days and screenshots disappeared from app store. Some jolla people (was it kontio ?) told there's something broken in app store process and maybe update will go through after Sailfish upgrade is done17:07
Aardartemma: ah. I guess you'll know on monday17:08
artemmasigh17:08
Sail0rwhen i ssh to my jolla there is a notice displayed: NOTICE: Env value ignored QT_GSTREAMER_CAMERABIN_FLAGS=1517:08
* artemma hoped to have another update ready by monday17:08
Aardartemma: I haven't noticed much outside of "release" the last few days17:08
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PeperJohnnyAard: Are Tabs now saved?17:09
artemmaAfter reading release notes: Looks like a decent update. As always it's not enough though :)17:09
artemmathanks, folks17:09
AardSail0r: it's a hint that this variable is set in the runtime, but not exported when you ssh in. if you do camera development you might want to export that manually17:09
AardPeperJohnny: 'tabs saved'?17:09
Sail0rok thx. was just wondering this didn't show up before update :)17:09
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PeperJohnnyYeah i thought, that they are not reloaded anymore :D17:10
Aardartemma: what else did you want? and did you take into account that people were on vacation in december and beginning of january? :)17:10
AardPeperJohnny: no, still reloaded, but it's being worked on17:10
Sail0rmany apps lost there settings after updating17:10
FryeWhoa, very impressive.17:10
artemmaAard: I am sure you too can create a list of desired improvements as long as you want for any product :)17:10
FryeSeems much faster after the update17:10
PeperJohnnyAard: Ok Aard, nonetheless great work, with the landscape mode =)17:10
pplessee if download succeeds before server hangs17:11
Fryeand the landscape on browser <317:11
Nicd-aaaalmost downloaded17:11
* artemma hoped most for speedups and fixing freezes/reboots on network reconnection. getting tired to reboot my jolla so often17:11
artemmawell, maybe some of them happened, just not in the notes17:11
FryeNicd-, It's wirth the wait :D17:11
Sail0rApps with lost settings so far: webcat, irc, screenshot17:11
Fryeworth17:11
artemmapulley menu speedup is there at least17:11
Aardartemma: some of them happened, more of them are currently being investigated17:11
zbenjaminyay upgrade17:11
raa70does tohd.service restart after update if it's been disabled?17:12
artemmaAard: good to know, thanks!17:12
Nicd-ready to install \o/17:12
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zbenjaminany progress on two way sync or caldav carddav?17:12
mornfallraa70: you need to unmask it, most likely17:12
mornfallzbenjamin: we can hope for february... :P17:12
Nicd-zbenjamin: < Aard> artemma: no, 2-way sync is still being worked on.17:12
artemmaHmm, is it so that exchange calendar two-way sync works, but caldav doesn't?17:13
Aardartemma: yes17:13
FryeYeah, LocalStorage settings seem to be lost17:13
sjtoikhow about google?17:13
artemmatoo bad my practices are optimized around google calendar these days..17:14
Nicd-LocalStorage gone? shit17:14
AardNicd-: ?17:14
Sail0ryep17:14
Sail0rI lost all my app settings in webcat, irc, screenshot and so on17:14
FryeNot sure if it's totally gone, but but17:14
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Sail0reverything in localstorage is lost for me17:14
Nicd-I'll have to check my own app17:14
Fryeat least same game high scores were nonexistent17:14
Nicd-it uses LocalStorage17:14
Nicd-maybe a path changed somewhere17:14
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FryeYeah, could be they are there, but not found17:15
phaeronNicd-: libsailfishapp has changed the localstorage path17:15
Aardthp: ^^ can you explain? :)17:15
Nicd-phaeron: why did the update not move all the localstorages to the new path then?17:15
Sail0rwhere is the new path?17:15
thpyeah, libsailfishapp changed the localstorage path17:16
thpthis fixes a problem with local storage for different apps17:16
YanielHm I don't think I have any significiant settings changes17:16
FryeOk, but the previous settings are still there? Just on a old path?17:16
thpapps must either move the files manually or manually set organization name / application name for migrating from old path17:16
thpif apps have set their application name / organization name manually, they're not affected17:17
Nicd-hmm17:17
Skorpybluetooth didn't work after update. rebooted and now it works. weird.17:17
thpthe change in libsailfishapp is here; https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/commit/3febb7a2204cf13f01ab9e9ff86a84afc9b137d717:17
zbenjaminwill my mitäkuulu settings survive?17:17
Skorpyzbenjamin: seems to be fine for me17:18
Nicd-how are application name / organization name set? is this ok? var db = LS.LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("SailTime", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 10240);17:18
Sail0rok so now i have to move everything from /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-<app>/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases to /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-<app>/harbour-<app>/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases for the things which lost settings?17:18
nanderzbenjamin, I'll tell you in a minute17:18
zbenjaminSkorpy: nice! :) don't wanna loose my chats again after migration from android17:18
nander(if you mean survive an upadate to 1.0.3.8)17:18
Morpog_PCpyotherside is integrated alongside with python 3.3.3 and SL 2.0.117:18
zbenjaminnander: yep17:18
nanderI'm downloading the update17:18
nanderAt a decent speed ;)17:18
thpSail0r: yeah, or set the organization name to an empty string and continue to use the old paths17:18
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nanderHalfway17:18
zbenjaminnander: me too ;) at a not so decent speed17:19
thpSail0r: as long as your stuff follows XDG + harbour-<app> naming, it's okay17:19
nanderWell, it's gonna take a few minutes17:19
zbenjaminnander: maybe i'll be able to tell you then i'm at 3/417:19
nanderBut that's ok to me17:19
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PnuuMorpog_PC: wheee17:19
nanderIt should keep the settings17:19
mornfallhm, installing already... what organization name? :)17:20
thpit's annoying, as for some apps, settings paths will differ if they haven't set application name or organization name, but this will fix some issues and use the right path by default for all apps, and developers can still opt to set their data path manually17:20
nanderOn connecting the Other Half, associated ambience will not change unless it is being used for the first time or the ambiance has been earlier marked as favourite. << awesome17:20
nathrakhI noticed problems with WLAN today, tried reboot but when I searched for my (hidden) WLAN it didn't find and eventually phone turned off by itself! Now it doesn't boot at all, what's up17:21
zbenjaminnander: where do you read that17:21
nanderhttps://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/17:21
Nicd-hm, my app lost settings too17:21
zbenjaminClearly distinguish Android apps from native apps in Store awesome!17:21
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Nicd-apparently I've done something wrong then?17:21
mornfallsounds golly17:22
thpNicd-: where did your application store settings before and where does it store it now?17:22
mornfallNicd-: probably no, it's the OS/stack that did something wrong17:22
nanderupdaate ;)17:22
zbenjaminmeh need to upgrade later :(17:22
zbenjaminlater guys17:22
Nicd-thp: here's my localstorage code, do you see anything missing there? https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/f63db9fdb125023d44fc581b2406515d70d3e48e/qml/js/storage.js?at=master17:22
Nicd-if you have time to look17:22
FireFlyHm17:23
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thpNicd-: no, it's fine. do you also use c++ code or is it a pure qml application?17:23
FireFlySo now you can select another calendar when adding a calendar entry, but how do you add a new calendar?17:23
FireFly(without setting up syncing with google calendar)17:24
TMavicaduring upgrading, reboot self..17:24
Nicd-thp: I use a bit of C++ but the C++ side doesn't store anything17:24
TMavicanow download again17:24
* pahartik would like to know whether appropriate "Sailfish" applications are supposed to follow proxy setting of "connman"17:24
thpNicd-: if in your C++ code you use setOrganizationName("") and setOrganizationDomain("") on the QCoreApplication, it should be fixed - can you check?17:24
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thp(then it will revert to the old behavior)17:24
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Nicd-thp: do you mean QGuiApplication?17:25
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thpNicd-: should be QCoreApplication, QGuiApplication is a subclass of it17:26
Fryethp, does the same work for JS only implementation?17:26
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thpFrye: yes, it actually fixes the JS-only (= sailfish-qml launcher) use case17:26
Sail0ri think this commit broke many apps ^^17:26
Nicd-thp: ok. I can check if I have time but it's not a big deal. there's only two settings in the app17:26
thpit's a one-time change, unfortunately it breaks some things at the moment, but will make sure that qml-only apps each have their own local storage directory, and two local storage databases of different apps don't conflict with one another17:28
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Nicd-youtube on full screen <317:30
QuuAard: seems to work after second update17:30
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TheBootrooohai !17:30
TheBootrooohai !17:30
Quuoh no its TheBootroo17:30
TheBootroojust updating my jolla17:30
TheBootrooQuu: oh no, it's meeee17:31
TheBootroocan't see mention of LTE or CalDav in changelog...17:31
TheBootrooso sad...17:31
TheBootrooLTE is kinda gadget i know, but proper sync of calendar is huge work tool for me17:31
TheBootroocan we expect minor update for it before the next big one ?17:31
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: no caldav no LTE then17:31
TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: nope17:32
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, wait for the next update I guess17:32
mornfalland no IDLE17:32
TheBootrooon caldav point i kinda miss my n95017:32
Sfiet_Konstantinone per month is rather ok17:32
TheBootroomornfall: idle coud be fine yes17:32
TheBootroobut mail don't work too bad without it so that's quite ok17:32
mornfallbut it's still definitely not 60fps17:33
TheBootroobut i can't create event on my phone and sync it on my computer using GCal and THAT is blocker17:33
sremessyncevolution from warehouse can sync caldav17:33
TheBootroomornfall: 60fps email ??? ;-) interesting new concept17:33
mornfallTheBootroo: no, the UI17:33
TheBootroosremes: how does it work ? does it integrate well with stock calendar app ?17:34
artemma60fps in home screen would be nice17:34
Pnuuupdated17:34
TheBootroomornfall: artemma: i don't have lag in UI17:34
artemmasomebody was mentioning that it is sort of 60fps, but.. was it without double buffering? :)17:34
mornfallwell, the problem is that it's jerky not that it's not exactly 60fps :-) it's probably 60fps, then skip 8 frames then continue with 60fps17:34
TheBootroono separate disk use indicator for SD card neither17:34
artemmaTheBootroo: it's not about lags, try holding launcher with a finger and move it back and force, before the update at least you could clearly see no sharp icon edges17:35
Morpog_PCthere are some fixes in Qt upstreamed which I guess will land in next update, those shouls make the device alot faster17:35
clauany clue if the email syncing problem was fixed? I don't see it mentioned.17:35
TheBootroodescription under account logo in status details : YEAAAH17:35
clauI hope at least that is fixed, until we get IDLE support.17:35
mornfallclau: dunno, I can't see it in the changelog17:36
artemmanot clear launcher swiping that can make you speculate why Jolla went for switching whole launcher pages instead of endless scroll of a launcher grid ;)17:36
sremesTheBootroo: I'd see it only as a bad temporary solution, not integrating very well, but working with owncloud at least17:36
clauI'll have to continue to use "early" suspend policy then17:36
clauin any case, the update looks good :)17:36
clauI'm d/l now.17:36
mornfallclau: what's early suspend policy?17:37
sremesTheBootroo: it does store events such that they are usable from the native calendar app17:37
Sail0rok, we have got one strange broken phone after the update17:37
claumornfall, follow the first link in this post: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-email-not-syncing-problem/17:37
Sail0rall app icons for third parties disappeared17:37
Sail0rand they can not start anymore17:37
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JonniSail0r: if they are android apps, then re-read release notes17:38
TheBootroopinch to zoom in camera is quite good quality17:38
Sail0rjust native apps17:38
Sail0rlike webcat irc and so on17:38
claumornfall, basically you have to install mcetools and set the suspend policy manually to early, and the device will stop going to deep sleep.17:38
JonniSail0r: ah that sounds like that device has openrepo repositories17:38
Sail0rnope just store17:39
Sail0rirc was installed by hand17:39
Morpog_PCJonni, should I remove openrepos repos before updating?17:39
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JonniSail0r: well thats wierd then, sounds like factory reset time and upgrade again.17:39
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JonniMorpog_PC: depends if thera are conflicting packages, no if there are not, yes if you want to be carefull17:40
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Sail0rjep17:40
claumornfall, and vote the post up (on tjc) if it helps you ;)17:40
TMavicaI now have a clean device from 1.005 - 1.025 - 1.03817:40
Sail0rand there are also folders missing17:40
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AardSail0r: can you ssh in and see if there's weird stuff in the log?17:41
Sail0rjep permission errors17:41
Sail0rand dirs missing17:41
Aardwhich dirs?17:41
Sail0rone moment i try to get a nopaste17:42
Sail0r^^17:42
mornfallclau: interesting... but I guess I'll wait for now17:42
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claumornfall, I turned the setting to the original value (enabled), and I will see how well the phone behaves after the update.17:44
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Sail0rok i think we are going for a reset17:44
Sail0rinotify is complaining bluetooth device is not found anymore17:44
Sail0rreset via fastboot or from UI?17:45
Sail0rwhich is preferred?17:45
AardSail0r: so no way to get information from the device? did you do any weird stuff before?17:45
Sail0rit does not startup ssh anymore17:46
Sail0rbecause of permission problems17:46
mornfallhmm, smpc's pullout window broke17:46
Sail0rthe only weird thing which happend with this phone17:46
Sail0rhappend on first update17:46
Sail0rfrom 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.517:46
Pnuuapart from lost settings on webcat, haven't noticed problems17:46
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Pnuuyay17:46
Sail0rmaybe there is something wrong which is now completly broken17:46
clauanyone else reported problems so far?17:47
mornfallaliendalvik's windowing behaviour is even funnier than it used to be17:48
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ppseems faster and less buggy here17:49
Tofebootloader unlocking ! \o/17:49
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TMavicahow unlock bootloader?17:50
ppfoursquare now patiently waits for location vs. thinking I'm at 0N 0E :D17:50
TofeI guess by booting into recovery17:50
AardTMavica: boot device into rescue mode, there's an option to unlock bootloader17:50
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Sail0rha we found it Aard17:52
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mornfallpp: yeah, it seems to crash less so far :)17:52
Sail0rfor some reason the /usr/share/icons folder got wrong permissions17:52
Sail0rit was 64417:52
Sail0rand bluetooth was back after reboot17:52
AardSail0r: ugh. do you have some 3rd party packages installed which could do that?17:53
Sail0rIt was not my phone I try to get every detail out of my mate which he did ^^17:53
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Sail0rmaybe he fucked up his own apps specfile17:53
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Sail0rso the only thing which is real "broken" is the localstorage :)17:56
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FireFlymornfall: anything funny in particular?17:58
FireFlyI haven't noticed anything yet, but I'm not exactly an android app poweruser17:58
pphaven't managed to lose apps from the list either (which it used to do)17:59
mornfallFireFly: well, opening second android app shows you 2 android windows... one gets stuck showing "loading" and the app opens in the existing one17:59
mornfallFireFly: the new one disappears after a while17:59
ppstarting them up from inside another android app in the window list worked then :-)17:59
FireFlyOw18:00
clauupdate done. so far it looks good.18:00
TMavicaanyone tried android whatsapp got sound of notification or not??18:00
mornfallI guess they started to do multi-window android and a stub made it into release. :)18:01
FireFlyThe landscape support seemed a bit quirky for the homescreen18:01
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mornfallFireFly: that's because it doesn't exist yet ;-)18:01
FireFlyAha18:01
FireFlyWell, it's more confusing now than it was pre-update :P18:01
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FireFlybecause the push actions rotate in the browser but not in the homescreen18:01
mornfallFireFly: all you get is re-oriented swipes in *apps*18:01
FireFlyRight, that's more confusing :P18:02
mornfallyes, somewhat :-)18:02
Raimmornfall: I think I saw this loading behavior before18:02
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mornfallRaim: hmm, I don't remember that, I always had it open in the same window, blinking furiously ;-)18:02
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mornfallRaim: usually also crashing after a few seconds... that doesn't seem to happen now18:03
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mornfallusually either because of gps or because of audio18:03
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mornfallthat seems to behave much better after the update18:03
mornfallguess someone's been working their ass off in the last month18:04
clauTMavica, may I suggest you try Mitakuuluu ?18:04
clauthough, I don't think it's in Store yet :\18:05
TMavicaI sure use that, but want to know18:05
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clauoh, nice... if phone goes to sleep while in an app, unlock will bring the same app on screen.18:14
Yanielnot with power button :/18:15
clauyes, not if you put it to sleep.18:15
claumaybe it was intentionally left like this, but I think it would be more useful to have the same new behavior.18:15
mornfallhard call, but it fixes the most annoying case -- app blanking on you and you having to hunt it down18:16
clauoften I put it to sleep just to put it in the pocket, and I would like to resume from where I was left, later on.18:16
clauyep18:16
clauit's already much better.18:16
EztranThat behaviour does kinda make sense. If it times out, you probably do want to resume.18:16
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clauI do hope that all this little things will become configurable over time.18:17
Yanielooh, nice18:17
clau*these18:18
tango_new behavior?18:18
mornfallI just noticed that the wlan and bt addresses differ only in one bit for a given device :-)18:18
tango_was the an update?18:18
EztranMmm, but it's nice to see they're working on sane defaults.18:18
clautango_, 1.0.3.8.18:18
Morpog_PCwow, homescreen is damn smooth now18:18
tango_oh18:18
tango_is there a changelog?18:18
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mornfallMorpog_PC: you can see any difference? hmm18:19
clautango_, https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/18:19
tango_clau: thanks man18:19
tango_you're faster than google18:19
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Morpog_PCmornfall, sure, no more lags18:19
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rzr-mobhi fron bxl18:19
mornfallMorpog_PC: I can't see a difference -- it's still jittery18:20
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clautango_, so from now on you just "clau" things. googling is a thing of the past! :P18:20
Skorpygetting another notification for the update. clicked it -> "up to date". same as before.18:20
Yanielhm apparently it also uses the proximity sensor or a timer18:20
tango_clau: that's cool for me18:20
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tango_clau: might get boring pretty fast for you though18:21
clau:D18:21
mornfallclau: get me porn dude18:21
mornfall(like that?)18:21
clauehehehe18:21
EztranNice to see they sorted out the bootloader again like they promised. Should stop those complaints.18:22
clauhmm, auto adjusting the brightness seems to work too.18:22
clauat least in my case, it seemed not to work before 1.0.3.818:22
ShadowJKit was never jittery for me18:22
tango_I'm going to assume I need more than 19% charge before attemping the upgrade, deh18:22
EztranThat sounds a pretty fair assumption.18:23
tango_otoh I _should_ be able to upgrade while charging, right?18:23
claushould be fine, but just to make sure, let it charge a tad before you start.18:23
claudownloading the update should be just fine, though.18:23
tango_> Delete all contacts in one go ( via pulley menu option in People app settings) < this is going to be SO fun to do by mistake18:23
clauit will ask you before actually installing it.18:24
clautango_, I'm not even sure why it was added. :|18:24
EztranPeople asked for it, surprisingly enough.18:24
tango_hopefully that asks for confirmation too ;-)18:24
clauthat is a... weird request. is it for when police stops you or something similar? :D18:25
tango_> Fixes the issue with NFC leaking power when TOH is attached. < oh finally18:25
EztranYuuuup.18:25
EztranShould be interesting - wonder if any reviewers will test battery life again now?18:26
tango_btw am I the only one finding (1) TOH swapping in/out to be cumbersome (physically, I mean) and (2) the prompt for the new stuff to be too fast for me to actually read what the message says?18:26
clauI'm always afraid not to break something.18:26
tango_clau: me too. ok, it's justa frigging piece of plastic, but it looks like it bends to the point of fracture before it pops out from the other side18:27
tango_or maybe I'm just pulling it out the wrong way18:27
chem|stdo I need to unmask tohd or is that overwritten?18:27
clauchem|st, I did it before the update.18:27
tango_I'm going to bet it needs unmasking18:27
claujust to be on the safe side. and I think Stskeeps said it's a good idea too.18:27
tango_really?18:28
* tango_ does it too18:28
chem|stcould have asked that before I said 'install'18:28
clau:D18:28
clauI doubt it's a problem. probably it will just stay masked.18:28
chem|stwe will see18:28
Quumeh, its just one symlink18:28
EztranUnmasking it won't cause any problems if they did it already, anyway.18:28
clauworst case is that something checks if it's on during update and fails otherwise. but I really doubt it.18:29
Yanielhm, now it didn't restore the app I was in before the screen went blank18:29
chem|stfor the pwrbtn behaviour it is actually a good idea to not have it the same way as doubletapping18:29
clauyeah, I think the idea was that you may be reading something (webbrowser, email etc) and it goes to sleep while you do so.18:30
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chem|stbut the pwrbtn could bring you to homescreen instead of lock-screen18:30
clauand you want to bring the app back as quick as possible.18:30
chem|stwith a double-press18:30
Yanielnow it did18:30
clauYaniel, it happened to me too. But I'm not quite sure if I left it with an app on :|. I'll play with this feature a bit more before deciding if it works correctly or not.18:30
Yanielcould someone confirm how long the timer is?18:30
clau30s by default, I think.18:30
chem|stnew settings for that?18:31
clauscreen timeout, I assumed.18:31
tango_> Rendering improvements during scrolling through disabling subpixel dragging < now it makes me wonder what subpixel dragging was in the first place18:31
Yanielfor app restoring after screensaver? I doubt it18:31
chem|stwould be nice to have a setting18:31
clauwait, what?18:31
tango_and > Front camera now has a resolution of 2 Mpx in aspect ratio 4:3 < how the heck did this happen?18:31
clauthey increased the sensor size during upgrade. (j/k)18:32
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narchiewhat18:32
chem|sttango_: it is a 2Mpx sensor why not make use of it?18:32
Kiranosouch jolla released on a friday, why is that? why not wait until monday :)18:33
narchieis this real18:33
narchie1.0.3.8 available18:33
claunot all apps support landscape :(18:33
clauemail doesn't.18:33
chem|stKiranos: they always release on friday?18:33
clauNaranek, yes: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/18:33
Yanielnarchie: yes, updated already18:33
chem|stnarchie: yaeh hours old18:33
chem|st:)18:34
narchienice18:34
Kiranoschem|st: very strange, we always hold of on doing anything major on fridays as if something breaks it will be two days of unanswered concerns18:34
clauand boy... the vkb takes almost the entire screen in landscape :(18:34
chem|stseems to be a large one too... takes for ages to install18:34
clauit covers even the input box for URL's in the browser.18:34
chem|stKiranos: phone upgrades if gone wrong do not matter on what dow18:35
narchieNFC bug fix for better battery life18:35
narchiedoes that mean I can unmask tohd18:35
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Yanielclau: well "xbox360 has more memory than a gaming pc because they patch the chips with every update"18:35
chem|stnarchie: yeah and it was said to be aa good idea to do that before upgrading18:35
clauactually, it's fine now (vkb in landscape). odd.18:35
chem|stI am the goat trying without unmasking18:35
tango_chem|st: the question is, how was it before?18:35
clauYaniel, definitely.18:35
restless_beinghm, i see no fixes for unstable wifi connection :(18:36
tango_I think the link to the changelog should be in the topic18:36
Kiranostalk.maemo.org should be happy atleast :) Improved recovery mode functionality introducing new features such as bootloader unlocking, shell and filesystem recovery options18:36
tango_Yaniel: who the heck said that?18:36
chem|sttango_: was what before?18:36
tango_chem|st: sorry, the front camera in 4:3 mode18:36
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Yanielsome comment on youtube soneone had a screenshot of18:36
claufrom the logs:18:37
tango_Yaniel: rotfl18:37
chem|sttango_: was some 1.3 or some?!18:37
narchiealright18:37
clau>> Stskeeps: also, guys, if something is indeed coming, please, for the love of god, use the built in update method, not command line18:37
narchiethanks for th eheads up18:37
tango_chem|st: interesting18:37
chem|stor another odd number18:37
chem|stbut not the said 2Mpx from the initial specs on jolla.com18:37
tango_(odd indeed)18:37
clauregarding tohd: >> Stskeeps: mikma: well, you guys disabled it, i guess you should reenable it, :P18:37
tango_> Removes editor restriction on one detail of any specific type < what does that mean? having e.g. two emails or two whatevers for the same person?18:38
raa70installing...18:38
* tango_ hasn't used the phone/contact part of the phone yet, actually18:38
EztranWell, now's your chance, 'cause that looks like a massive improvement.18:39
tango_> URL input method for search/url field < YES FINALLY OH GOD18:39
tango_Eztran: still need a frigging microsi18:39
tango_m18:39
chem|sthousten we have a go18:39
chem|sttohd is masked18:40
tango_batterly level 25%18:41
tango_and phone is connect18:41
tango_tohd is unmasked18:41
tango_let's roll18:41
tango_beautiful pictures btw18:41
chem|stoh no they changed the orientationlock for gestures...18:41
* tango_ is quite happy of having trusted jolla by preordering the phone18:41
tango_chem|st: they removed the orientationlok18:42
chem|st1.5month to getting used to have it not rotate....18:42
tango_I actually prefer it that way18:42
tango_i.e. unlocked18:42
clauchem|st, what did you just close by mistake? :)18:42
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tango_clau: not the chat window apparently18:42
tango_8-D18:42
clau:D18:42
chem|sttango_: yeah fck it its broken!18:42
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chem|stno orientation lock when in an app but on $-screens18:43
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chem|stclau: I landed in notification screen instead of home...18:43
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chem|sttango_: I should have ordered 2...18:44
tango_< chem|st> no orientation lock when in an app but on $-screens18:45
tango_-EPARSE18:45
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clauso, let's see if I get the email in 5 minutes :|18:45
chem|sttango_: $=[lock,home,launcher]18:45
chem|stso housten we have a problem18:46
clauwhat kind?18:46
chem|stgallery is portrait on starting page but one step deeper without orientation lock18:46
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chem|sthave a look at your ambiences in landscape...18:47
tango_so if you have a landscape app and you pull from the top (which is the right in portrait mode) it closes, but on the $-screen even in landscape mode pulling from the top (which is the right in portrait mode) does what?18:47
chem|stinstead of showing 4 in a row it is the same raster just bigger18:47
clauI see, so there are some inconsistencies.18:47
chem|sttango_: the same as in portrait mode18:47
EztranOrientation lock inconsistent between homescreen and apps? It's like Harmattan all over again. Except this time it can be fixed :)18:48
chem|sttango_: that is why it is broken by default18:48
claua tad early to be sure, but I think the email syncing problem is still present :(18:48
tango_the question is: do the $ screens now actually support landscape mode?18:48
chem|stEztran: they do not rotate the UI so where is the point in rotating gestures18:49
chem|stoh and the ambience page in gallery is the only rotated18:50
chem|strotating18:50
EztranEh, more things will likely rotate with time, and hopefully by the time they're finished it'll appear consistent.18:50
Sail0rlove the landscape mode :)18:51
Sail0rthe keyboard fix also fixed landscape mode for many other apps18:51
tango_> more things will likely rotate with time < this lends itself to some nasty jokes18:52
Eztran*cough*18:52
tango_(does “rotating balls” to mean being nervous/annoyed work in other languages?)18:52
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cb400fSail0r: I don't suppose landscape mode was added to the sms/texting app too, and it just slipped out of the changelog? ;-)18:53
AL13Nhurray! there is update18:53
QuuAL13N: you are 3h late ;p18:53
clauAL13N, you missed all the fun.18:53
AL13Nwell, i had to pick up kid and make food and watch kid, it's finally asleep18:54
Quus/fun/cry/18:54
AL13Ncry?18:54
EztranThe fact that being 3 hours behind is 'late to the party' says a lot about how obsessively this community is watching.18:54
Sail0rcb400f: no text sms is still not in landscape mode18:54
Quupeople be bitching.18:54
AL13Ni thought there was nice bugfixes/features?18:54
Sail0rbut webcat and co profit from the new landscape keyboard18:54
AL13NQuu: aren't they always18:54
clauAL13N, since when are the kids more important than gadgets?! :P18:54
QuuAL13N: no matter what happens, there is always someone who whines about every fucking possible thing18:54
AL13Nyes18:54
cb400fSail0r: ok, nice to have something to look forward to :-)18:54
clauAL13N, I'm running 1.0.3.8. no problems updating.18:54
EztranAmazing, isn't it? They get landscape working, and sort out the bootloader... and people whine about something else. Can't win.18:55
AL13Ni can whine too18:55
AL13Nthis is normal18:55
Sail0rif nobody whines there is a true problem ;)18:55
AL13Nthey'll only whine about the stuff that isn't fixed/done yet18:55
clauwell, there are still some big problems left untouched.18:55
AL13NSail0r: true that18:55
clauit was expected, just as the whines were.18:55
AL13Nclau: better untouched than badly touched18:55
Eztran+1 for that.18:55
AL13Ni like the progress on the image during upgrade18:56
AL13Neven though that's from last update :-)18:56
claubut, there's nice progress done. and they kept their promise of one update per month.18:56
chem|stclau: tango_ gestures do only rotate if app page is rotating18:56
EztranWell, that makes sense.18:56
clauyep18:57
AL13Ni assume this means that app builders will have to recheck their current workarounds :-)18:57
tango_oh wow brightness really works now18:57
clauyep, noticed that too.18:57
AL13Ntango_: it didn't before?18:57
tango_I can't say I see the difference in the scrolling18:57
clauAL13N, it didn't for me.18:57
tango_AL13N: well, it had a very long hysteresis18:57
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raa70i don't like the new brightness18:58
AL13Ni liked that it was subtle and unnoticable18:58
tango_so you would move the slider, and a couple of months later the screen would actually be brighter18:58
AL13Nmaybe it's configurable18:58
raa70it should be whole lot faster or the way it used to be18:58
clauit... wasn't working. that's why you didn't notice it :D18:58
AL13Ntango_: oh, that you mean18:58
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tango_clau: lol18:58
Sail0ron together browser does not focus to textfield anymore18:58
Sail0rlike that18:58
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AL13Ni noticed that if my shadow hit the top corner the screen would go darker18:58
tango_chem|st: well, so gestures follow the whatever-is-in-front orientation lock? makes sense to me18:58
AL13Nand lighter if the top right corner was lighted18:58
clauaha18:59
zbenjaminnooo my download stopped and now i have to start again18:59
clauzbenjamin, just wait.18:59
AL13Nooh, nice sailfish bar18:59
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clauzbenjamin, it happened to me too, but it resumed. In fact, it might as well be working but not updating the progress.18:59
clauzbenjamin, or, did you get an error?19:00
AL13Nyes19:00
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zbenjaminclau: no its stopping and tells me available for download again19:00
AL13Nme too19:00
zbenjamini guess too many people are downloading right now19:00
clauno idea then :|. hopefully it will resume, not start from scratch.19:00
EztranThe servers could well be overloaded - apparently, they were earlier.19:00
AL13Nyes, i had this19:00
AL13Nit stopped and resumed itself19:00
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chem|sthttps://together.jolla.com/question/21886/bug-introduced-landscape-bugs-by-1038/19:01
chem|stcomment your findings I add them19:01
AL13N"Clearly distinguish Android apps from native apps in Store" <--- this will really help19:02
chem|sttango_: that breaks with the muscle memory intention19:02
chem|stas you adapt to form not visuals19:03
Sail0raliendalvik window behaviour is indeed a little weird with the update ^^19:03
clauSail0r, what do you mean?19:04
Sail0rstart one app19:04
Sail0rand after that start another app19:04
QuuAL13N: well, "clearly".. atleast they are marked now19:04
Sail0rthere appears another window for the app19:04
Sail0rwhich says loading19:04
clauhmm, ok. luckily I have two apps :)19:04
Sail0rbut the actual app is started in the first window19:05
Sail0r^^19:05
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clauhuh... what did just happen there? :D19:05
AL13NQuu: i haven't seen it yet, last part of upgrade19:05
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Quuseems like they are trying to get multitasking-whatever to work with android apps19:06
Quuor its some silly bug there19:06
Sail0r+1 for multitasking ;)19:06
Morpog_PCi think it's just to show that the app is loading19:08
Morpog_PCbefore you only saw the old app till the new app was loaded19:08
mornfallQuu: yeah, I noticed that one too19:09
chem|stSail0r: you want jolla do tricks with android not even google does...19:09
mornfallchem|st: of course, we coulda gotten an android otherwise :P19:09
Sail0ri know ;)19:09
Sail0rand it's not important19:09
Sail0rmore important are native apps19:10
mornfalloh yes it is important :-)19:10
mornfallmy bank is never going to make a sailfish app19:10
Sail0rbut your bank does not have 8 apps but just one  ^^ so you do not need multitasking ;)19:10
mornfallthey aren't making a WP one either, so now I can laugh at my WP-toting friends :-)19:10
virtualdbe your own bank?19:11
virtualdkidding19:11
mornfallSail0r: there are other semi-fringe apps that are unlikely to appear, like goodreads or okc :-)19:12
clauregarding the android behavior, there's a funnt behavior while opening email app from notifications: first you see the home screen with the email app, then it switched to the email.19:13
AL13NO_o: the edit contact is fixed too19:13
clauor is this something that I just didn't notice before?19:13
clau*funny, switches19:13
Quuclau: iirc that happened before too19:14
Quuoh no, it didnt19:14
Quuit went to blank email19:15
clauI'm still glad it opens the email correctly now :)19:15
mornfallI kinda wish there was a real bugtracker. :-)19:15
mornfalltogether is pretty clunky19:16
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claumornfall, +119:16
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Nicd-clau: what do you mean? no white emails anymore?19:16
clauNicd-, so far, no.19:16
AL13N"Fixes an issue where images in certain conditions have very cold (blue) tones." <-- now that they mention it, i've seen this before19:16
chem|stmornfall: banking on android devices? could post my private key to reddit as well19:16
Nicd-AL13N: I see it all the time with all the snow here :P19:16
Waiteehmm19:16
Waiteemy emails open white19:17
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clauNicd-, let me test with an html mail though. So far I got only plain text.19:17
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Waiteeat least this new one i opened19:17
AL13Nyes, white and especially overlighted flash, gave blue-ish hue19:17
mornfallchem|st: really? :)19:17
mornfallchem|st: tell me more about it19:17
Waiteeif i open the new mail through the notification it opens blank white19:17
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Waiteebut when opened through the mail app even html mails open fine19:18
clauNicd-, Waitee : it works with html email too. does not open blank anymore.19:18
Waiteemine doesnt19:19
clauthough, I still see first the home screen with the email app starting just before I get into the email.19:19
clauWaitee, just to be sure, have you upgraded to 1.0.3.8 ?19:19
Waiteeyes19:19
Nicd-I just keep the email app always open19:19
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clauI usually keep it too.19:19
chem|stmediaplayer: finaly the 0:01 tracks are gone19:21
Quunobody ever sends me mail ;_____;19:21
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Sail0rdo you want some @ Quu ? ^^19:22
chem|stmornfall: my private key or how I got rich by banking with android - on several phone all over the world simultaneously...19:22
Sail0ri have plenty of spam which i can forward no problem ^^19:22
QuuSail0r: no, dont add me to some spamlists :p19:22
Waiteethank god im not in the guild board anymore19:22
Sail0r:P19:22
zbenjamininstalling .-.----19:23
Quuthere used to be couple nice sites for spam19:23
Waiteei got like 100 email a week19:23
Quumy friend said he gets no spam19:23
chem|stSail0r: spam... havent seen that for years now... they still doing it?19:23
Sail0ryep19:23
Quuand the cursed 15min alter when he got 200 spam mails19:23
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Waiteei got no spam19:23
mornfallchem|st: it's pretty hard to get the keys out of a SIM card19:23
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chem|stmornfall: I am not talking about the private SIM keys for your mobile network... I am talking about rsa keys or bitcoin keys or gpg keys19:24
mornfallchem|st: what do you think the banking app uses?19:24
mornfallthey aren't storing a private key on your sd card19:25
Sail0rbase64 encoding *g*19:25
mornfallI mean, banks are stupid, but not that stupid19:25
chem|stmornfall: oh tell me why those banking apps work on tablets and phones just the same when they use SIM credentials...19:26
mornfallchem|st: maybe your bank is more stupid than mine :-)19:26
chem|stand banks are highly stupid19:26
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chem|stmornfall: most abnking apps I have seen on play are available for my tablet so that makes it all banks are stupid19:26
chem|stbanks using sms-tan are not only stupid... they are insanely stupid19:27
mornfallchem|st: well, even if the keys are stored in the open, there don't seem to be any exploits going around19:27
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mornfallso what's wrong with sms tans?19:28
mornfall(what usually happens is a phishing attack)19:28
chem|stmornfall: just cause you did not get hit does not mean that it does not happen19:28
mornfallchem|st: I regularly see phishing alerts from the bank. Nothing about smartphone malware yet.19:28
chem|styeah sms-tan on smartphones is that the device getting the tan is the same as actually requesting one19:29
mornfallwell, obviously it doesn't help for smartphone19:29
mornfallis anybode doing that? :)19:29
chem|stjan21 the german office of security and IT announced 16million identity thefts recognized from botnet activity19:31
chem|stthe trojan on your phone is doing that - and NSA listens19:32
chem|stok I'll stop :)19:32
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mornfallthe trojan isn't sending me sms-tans :p I was asking about those19:33
mornfallactually, I find how much your bank knows about you much more disturbing19:35
zbenjaminanyone using sailotp?19:37
zbenjamini lost my settings there19:37
mornfallcompromised apps don't last long in the big stores anyway19:37
mornfallzbenjamin: you lost data (almost) everywhere19:37
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mornfallzbenjamin: they are still in the filesystem19:37
mornfallzbenjamin: just need some moving19:37
mornfallzbenjamin: .local/share/<app>/<app>/QML is it now, was .local/share/<app>/QML before the update19:37
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tango_ok, liking the upgrade so far19:38
tango_MISSING FROM THE CHANGELOG: calendar list actually scrollable now19:38
tango_who has control on the changelog page?19:39
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zbenjaminmornfall: two times app?19:41
veskuhits organization/appname19:42
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veskuhlibsailfishapp now set organization same as app name to fulfill harbor requirement19:42
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veskuhsince many apps did not set these paths changed19:42
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phaeronhttps://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/commit/3febb7a2204cf13f01ab9e9ff86a84afc9b137d719:44
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juergbihm, the store still says system update to 1.0.3.8 available even though i updated to 1.0.38 half an hour ago...19:46
Iltsuyou lucke, here it doesn't even download it19:46
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Quutango_: Aard does19:52
Quuerr atleast he made it19:52
Quuderp, i dont know19:52
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Aardtango_: changelog is a summary of the main/most important changes, it does not contain 100% of all the little things19:54
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chem|stAard: can you say hello to someone for me?19:57
Aardchem|st: maybe19:57
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chem|stwhoever coded the last bits of the phone app (quick call settings) needs to rethink what was asked and what he has implemented19:58
chem|stor she19:59
chem|stAard: sorry but all I see with this upgrade for now is impressive20:00
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chem|stin a bad way20:01
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Aardchem|st: can you explain?20:01
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nathrakhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNYjdr5tCSs awesome new Webcat with download manager and more20:02
chem|stwhich part?20:02
chem|stAard: I am writting everything at together and tag it 1.0.3.820:02
chem|stit seems totaly broken with gestures only turning when page turns - where is the I do not need to look at my device to do anything?20:03
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chem|stis there a way to revert back to 2.5?20:04
Sail0r?20:05
Sail0rwtf20:07
Aardchem|st: invoker --type=qt5 store-client osupdate-set 1.0.2.5 should open store client and allow downgrading. though I still don't understand what your problems are20:07
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zbenjaminanything new on the MMS front?20:09
Aardzbenjamin: it's beeing worked on, no release date.20:09
zbenjaminAard: thats something :) what about 2way sync? is there a release date ?20:09
Aardno release date as well, unfortunately. it'll come as fast as our resources allow20:10
tango_Aard: so is there other place where these kind of minor fixes could be advertised20:10
tango_?20:10
AL13Ni suppose they'll be tagged with roadmap or maybe a new tag? being-worked-on ?20:11
Sail0rdoes anyone know what the phone is doing? invoker[1043]: SailfishKeyProvider_ini_read: reached end of file20:11
AL13NAard: being-worked-on sounds like a good idea20:11
chem|stAard: the orientation of the gestures changes with apps not how I hold the phone...20:11
AL13NSail0r: that sounds like the keychain app20:11
TofeAcce: https://github.com/Tofee/harbour-unofficialETA/commit/9adcf509227906cecabb9dcbdd28e00d1c277748 ;)20:12
Sail0rthis came 4 times in a row and display did not show anything20:12
Sail0rit keept staying blank20:12
Sail0rbut background ligth was on20:12
tango_Aard: I mean the minor fixes that have been done for the upgrade but are not in the changelog, of course20:12
AL13Nthe minor changes are on the bottom of the together post20:13
chem|stAard: open gallery -> ambiences... for example... it is turned so are the gestures.. go back one page and the gestures are turned again... go to pictures and view one and you are in landscape gestures again...20:13
chem|sthow stupid is that?20:13
AL13Nthough i did see that the edit contact link is fixed too20:13
zbenjaminAard: anyway its good that the power bug is gone! it was really annoying to always stop tohd after rebooting20:13
Sail0rIf i open tweets from landscape mode20:14
Sail0rthey not change back to portrait if i turn over the phone20:14
chem|stSail0r: https://together.jolla.com/question/21886/bug-introduced-orientation-bugs-by-1038/20:14
Sail0rthx20:15
chem|stzbenjamin: you could have masked the service...20:15
AL13NAard: is this also being worked on? https://together.jolla.com/question/5825/ringtone-per-contact/20:15
chem|stzbenjamin: if that was your only concern20:15
zbenjaminchem|st: yeah but i wanted it to work again after the update ;)20:15
chem|stsorry for being sarcastic...20:16
AL13Nchem|st: i don't want to sound negative, but i can imagine not everyone thinks that the updates are all bad20:16
AL13Nat the very least not me20:16
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zbenjaminare there that many new bugs?20:17
Sail0rno20:17
zbenjamineven if there are some, its a whole phone OS and just a small team, Jolla doesn't have the manpower of Nokia... so i think some bugs are ok ;)20:18
Sail0rand it's still beta20:18
zbenjaminyep20:19
Sail0rand even the big ones have bugs20:19
Sail0rbut the difference is that jolla listens to the community and does it's best to find and erase bugs20:19
zbenjaminbtw is there a date for end of beta?20:20
Sail0rwhen it is done ;)20:20
zbenjaminpffff ;)20:20
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zbenjaminis there a way to share my location? I find that handy sometimes20:20
Quuzbenjamin: NSA knows where you are, you dont need to share that info20:21
zbenjaminQuu: lol20:21
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zbenjaminQuu: i take that as a no ;)20:22
TheBootrooHELP PLEASE !!!!20:22
Sail0rhui https://together.jolla.com/question/21918/do-not-update-to-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/20:22
__pvouch, https://together.jolla.com/question/21842/can-i-restore-lost-settings-after-update-1038/20:22
TheBootrooi updated20:22
zbenjaminTheBootroo: sounds not good20:22
TheBootrooall went fine20:22
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TheBootroobut sometimes after all android app disappeared20:23
TheBootrooso i thought about a bug20:23
TheBootrooi tried restart20:23
TheBootrooafter restart it asked me language20:23
TheBootrooso i selected it20:23
TheBootroothen black screen few seconds20:23
TheBootroothen rotating wait icon20:23
TheBootrooand then i am on my home screen but weirdly rotated20:24
zbenjaminmaybe you can reset the desktop settings20:24
TheBootroolike 90° anticlockwise20:24
AardTheBootroo: ugh. not again20:24
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AardTheBootroo: can you ssh in?20:24
TheBootrooand translated 100px to the right20:24
TheBootrooi tried reboot20:24
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TheBootrooi tried remove baterry20:24
TheBootroonothing hepls20:24
TheBootroo*helps20:24
chem|stAL13N: I don't think all are bad but the most obviouse drives me crazy20:24
zbenjaminTheBootroo: try talking to Aard maybe helps20:24
TheBootrooAard: ssh ? maybe20:24
Sail0ryou have this bug i think? https://together.jolla.com/question/21918/do-not-update-to-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/20:25
chem|stAL13N: the not so obviouse ones have a nice touch20:25
AardTheBootroo: try, please20:25
TheBootrooAard: i have to check if it has network on20:25
TheBootrooAard: known issue ?20:25
AardTheBootroo: if it is what I think it is, known issue which we hoped to not see anymore20:25
chem|stAL13N: I am checking one by one and while checking I get more and mor annoyed by the landscape gestures not always landscap20:25
chem|ste20:25
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TheBootrooAard: :-/20:26
zbenjaminAard: what would be the fix for this problem?20:26
TheBootrooAard: i'm in it20:26
TheBootrooas nemo20:26
zbenjaminin case i get it ;)20:26
TheBootroowhat should i do ?20:27
TheBootrooAard: ?20:27
AardTheBootroo: one moment20:28
Aardwhat's the output of gconftool-2 --get /desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle20:28
TheBootrooAard: "No value set for `/desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle'"20:29
Aarddo  gconftool-2 --type int --set /desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle 0 and reboot20:29
TheBootroomaybe some default value handling missing in lipstick code ?20:29
Aardno, the key is there, there is just some very obscure condition where gconf loses some keys20:30
* TheBootroo never liked gconf20:30
zbenjaminAard: can'T you fallback on a sane value in this case?20:30
TheBootroothat gnome thing never works properly20:30
TheBootroowhy not use DConf ?20:30
zbenjaminTheBootroo: of course not its gnome ;)20:31
Aardwe're moving away from gconf, we just have a handful of bits in there for legacy reason-20:31
TheBootrooAard: now screen is correct20:31
TheBootrooAard: but no more ambiance20:31
TheBootrooAard: and my language is not like i selected it20:31
TheBootrooand no more android app20:31
zbenjaminwtf20:31
veskuhAard: probably worth it to comment on TJC about the workaround.20:32
TheBootroooh and in fact no more settings at all20:32
TheBootroono accounts20:32
tango_question re android: any idea about a possible switch from .dex to ART?20:32
Aardveskuh: the screenshot on tjc is something else20:32
TheBootrooand Settings app won't start20:32
veskuhAard: ok20:32
TheBootrooAard: no app will start20:32
AardTheBootroo: can you ssh in and start via ssh to get logs?20:32
TheBootrooevery app shows 'splash' on home and then crash20:33
TheBootrooAard: how20:33
TheBootrooAard: i tried jolle-setttings from CLI20:33
AardTheBootroo: ssh device-ip? :)20:33
TheBootrooi got it tring to load Qt QPA plugin XCB20:33
TheBootroowtf20:33
TheBootrooisn't it supposed to use wayland ?20:34
Waiteesomeone said it takes longer to load android apps the first time after update20:34
Waiteemine loads a lot faster20:34
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TheBootrooAard: if i add -platform wayland it starts20:34
chem|stclau: tango_ what where you talking about pwrbtn? just tested - if screen times out and you press pwrbtn you come right back where you were at20:34
TheBootrooAard: but it seems i have no account anymore20:35
AardTheBootroo: is version saying that you're on 1.0.3.8?20:35
TheBootrooand all setttings reset to base20:35
TheBootrooyeo20:35
Aarddo pkcon refresh; pkcon get-updates and see if it offers updates20:35
FryeWohoo! My zimbra account sync works now.20:36
FryeWhat a brilliant update has this been so far.20:36
FryeYeah I was struck with the local storage, but that's a minor bit after seeing all the good stuff :D20:36
TheBootrooAard: language is French but clock is still shown AM/PM formattingd20:36
Aardclock is a separate setting20:37
TheBootrooAard: what to do for the apps to start with right platform plugin ?20:37
FryeHmm, so no standard units with Englush language yet it seems.20:38
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FryeWell that's also a minor annoyance.20:38
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FryeAnd there is a workaround20:39
cvphello20:39
AardTheBootroo: can you please follow my questions for now? :)20:40
TheBootrooAard: ssh is blocked20:40
TheBootroomaybe shoul i reboot20:40
Aardhmpf20:40
Aardyes20:40
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TheBootrooAard: rebooted20:42
TheBootrooAard: ssh now works but refresh blocks on Updating packages list20:42
TheBootroo0%20:42
TheBootroo:-(((20:43
TheBootroooh 18% now20:43
TheBootrooAard:20:44
TheBootrooMessage : connection-refused: adaptation0: Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. adaptation1: Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, th20:44
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TheBootrooAard: i have network connection working (i can ping google.com)20:46
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TheBootrooAard: what is the problem now ??20:47
phaeronprobably your jolla account on device is b0rked20:48
AardTheBootroo: can you start store client?20:48
TheBootroophaeron: i have no account of nothing now20:48
TheBootroodevice screwed up :-(20:48
PnuuTheBootroo: just follow what Aard says, don't mind others :-)20:49
TheBootrooAard: what is the command to start store ?20:49
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AardTheBootroo: store-client20:50
TheBootrooQDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.108'20:50
TheBootroovoid Store::StoreAccount::signIn() No valid jolla account!20:51
TheBootrooAard: what is command for keyboard ?20:52
TheBootrooi tried create account but kdb doesn't work20:52
TheBootrooAard: can't i just reset the device from command line20:52
TheBootroocause everything is screwed up everywhere20:53
AardTheBootroo: you can do device reset from rescue menu20:53
TheBootroodoing it20:53
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TheBootroobut after reset, if it still doesn't work and i don't have ssh access anymore, what will i do ?20:54
Aardreset brings you back to a completely clean state, like when you bought it20:54
Aardso, backup your stuff if you didn't do already20:54
TheBootroook so i will have to update again20:54
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TheBootroodevice restarting20:55
Axel__Does someone know if sailfish os will be available for android devices?20:57
Morpog_PCit already is20:57
Morpog_PCjust not for everyone :D20:57
zbenjaminMorpog_PC: which one? ;)20:57
flanagnexus 420:58
Morpog_PCnexus 4, nexus 720:58
flanagoh nexus 7 too?20:58
Morpog_PCsure20:58
Axel__I haven't found anything about that o.O20:58
Morpog_PCjolla ceo (or cto?) has it in his hands using it20:58
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flanagah yes, now I remember20:58
flanagbtw, it was nice to see that it's worth it to report bugs20:59
Morpog_PChttp://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bb7eX52CIAAOC3H-667x375.jpg20:59
flanagthe lock-code bypass was fixed20:59
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TheBootrooAard: do you hint me to update to last version before changing anything else ?20:59
zbenjaminMorpog_PC: but there are no images right21:00
Axel__Does it will be possible for normal users?21:00
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Morpog_PCzbenjamin, not yet unfortunately21:00
QuuAxel__: iirc the nexus 4 was done with typical recovery, flashable zip file21:00
* tango_ wants jolla on the TF700T21:00
Morpog_PCzbenjamin, but you can get nemomobile running on it :)21:00
zbenjaminAard: if lots of people have this issue a how to recover text would be nice21:01
tango_btw anybody confirms that audio is lagged by about half a sec in android?21:01
zbenjaminMorpog_PC: :)21:01
Morpog_PCzbenjamin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow21:01
tango_(android in jolla)21:01
Tegutango_: yea I've noticed it when watching some videos21:01
tango_(in sailfish os)21:01
AardTheBootroo: fastest way to a working device would be device reset -> update to 1.0.2.5 -> update to 1.0.3.8 -> install everything. or we can try to collect more bits from your device21:01
TeguLL's video player from openrepos helped (since it's native)21:02
Aardzbenjamin: the issue on together and from TheBootroo are two different things. currently no idea about the together issue, current assumption is that something in the openrepos repos screws things up21:02
TheBootrooAard: so i should reinstall warehouse ?21:02
zbenjaminAard: eww, maybe i should disable my repos then21:02
TheBootroo*NOT21:02
Morpog_PChmm, mine still works great, despite lots of repos from openrepos21:03
Axel__Sorry again, just another question. It will available a "cheap"(less expensive than the first jolla phone) phone?21:03
Morpog_PCwell, a nexus 4 is cheaper21:03
AardTheBootroo: you can, but if something breaks you can keep the pieces. few weeks back we already had one case with one openrepos app removing some necessary bits21:03
zbenjaminMorpog_PC: yeah but it might be just one app that screws it up21:03
juergbiis there any ETA on delivery of the delayed LE TOH?21:03
QuuAxel__: probably depends on typical android devs, if they feel like building ROM for the phone model21:04
QuuAxel__: and if the phone HW is supported21:04
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zbenjaminAard: well thats the problem on a open phone like that right , easy to screw up with something like a store for unofficial apps21:05
Axel__Quu: Ok, thank you. And what about a official jolla phone, it will available a less expensive jolla phone?21:05
Sailor2333Aard which app was that?21:05
QuuAxel__: pretty sure there will be new models, cant say anything about prices before can see the HW21:06
Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/22039/poll-which-version-of-jolla-phone-had-the-problem-after-the-1038-update/21:06
Axel__Sure. But Did Jolla say anithing about his intentions?21:07
flanagnope21:07
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Sail0rwhy should they introduce a new phone so short after the other phone?21:07
QuuAxel__: no, nothing yet21:07
AardSailor2333: trying to remember21:07
Morpog_PCAxel__, I guess they will tell more on MWC21:07
mornfallSail0r: I don't understand that. :)21:08
Sail0rI think he wants to find out which "release" of the phone has problems21:09
Axel__IMO, because many people can't spend 400 €, especially on a beta os.21:09
mornfallSail0r: doesn't make any sense to me21:09
Sail0rfor me too21:09
Sail0r^^21:09
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mornfallit's all the same HW, and probably the same batch as well21:09
Sail0rI think a poll with "did you enable openrepos"  would be better21:10
zbenjamini just hope my phone does not break down, i have to go to a one week meeting ....21:10
Sail0ri hope the same21:10
Sail0r^^21:10
mornfallSail0r: well, if you downvote it now, it'll go negative ;-)21:10
Sail0rlol21:11
Axel__however, thank to everyone very much. That was all my questions. Sorry for my bad English. I'll wait for leave Android :)21:11
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mornfalltogether needs more downvoters21:12
mornfalland less karma hoarding ;-)21:12
Sailor2333iv'e few apps from openrepis, but no problems after the upgrade. should i remove  openrepos when upgrading in the future?21:13
Sailor2333.. just to be safe21:13
mornfallSail0r: you'd have to uninstall all the packages you got there, to be safe21:14
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mornfalland well, because rpm is a clunky system, even then the packages could leave around garbage that can get in the way of an upgrade21:14
Sail0rI think you highlighted the wrong sailor21:15
Sail0rxD21:15
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zbenjaminAard: is there a way to check which packages came from !jolla repos?21:15
zbenjaminAard: like what was installed from openrepos21:15
Aardzbenjamin: there is, but don't ask me how21:15
zbenjaminAard: ok ;)21:15
mornfallSail0r: damnit :D21:16
Sail0r:P21:16
mornfallSailor2333: ^^21:16
zbenjamini wonder if disabling openrepos and reinstalling all packages would solve the problem21:16
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mornfallzbenjamin: that largely depends on what the problem actually is -- without that info, it's all just speculation21:17
Sail0rrpm -qa --queryformat "%{Name}:%{Vendor}\n" | grep none21:17
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zbenjaminmornfall: at least it would proof that it was a broken package21:17
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Sail0ror grep -v meego if the vendor has otherthing than none in it21:18
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zbenjaminSail0r: weird that aliendalvik is shown there21:21
Sailor2333mornfall, thanks. then i better  don't install anything from openrepos :)21:21
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Sail0ryeah i know but there is no vendor set21:23
Sail0rbut it gives a brief overview what is from openrepos21:23
zbenjamini now have only coderus' and warehouses repositories enabled. I hope thats fine :)21:23
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Sail0rthere are all tags listed which rpm provides http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-queryformat-tags.html maybe someone finds a better indication21:24
Sail0rit would be nice if openrepos sets openrepos as vendor21:24
Sail0r^^21:24
mornfallSail0r: openrepos isn't a single repository though21:25
AardSail0r: iirch zypp/packagekit keeps additional metadata about the repos it downloaded the package from somewhere21:25
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mornfallSail0r: and Vendor is set during rpmbuild anyway21:26
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zbenjaminshouldn't you be able to search all repositories for the currently installed package versions?21:27
zbenjaminhm but if there is a newer version you are lost :/21:27
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Sail0ryum does provide a feature where you can list what is installed from where21:28
Sail0rmaybe we should port yum to sailfish ^21:28
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AardI'm quite happy that we finally got rid of upm21:28
Aardyum21:28
Sail0r;)21:28
Sail0rwhy?21:29
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ln-yum requires a ridiculous amount of memory at worst, is it even usable on mobile devices?21:29
AardSail0r: too much blowing up with funny error messages in unexpected situations21:30
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Gorithso, has anybody got any real reply from care@jolla.com?21:31
zbenjaminbut if yum can get the info it is somewhere21:31
GorithI have now waited three and half weeks21:32
Sail0rI got reply from care21:32
Sail0r^^21:32
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QuuGorith: i did, they told me to take battery out and market the case solved :p21:33
Quumarked, i cant english21:33
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Gorithok, I just get a list of generic questions and that's it21:34
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stephghey ho any sailors up still?21:40
stephggot a battery thing with 1.0.2.521:40
Sail0r?21:41
Quubattery thing21:41
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chem|sto.O21:43
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Sail0rwhat battery thing? ^^21:44
Sail0rand why not update to 1.0.3.821:44
chem|stSail0r: what is this stuff with openrepos... how should having a repo active have any effect on a device21:44
Aardstephg: I maight be one21:44
Sail0rthese are only guesses chem|st21:44
chem|stehrm...21:45
Sail0rhow should a ambience change the behaviour ?21:45
Sail0r^^21:45
flanagmy screen turned off during the update21:45
Sail0rbut we need something to break the issue down don't we?21:45
flanagI think someone said that I could just wake it up21:45
Sail0rtip short on the power button or plugin a usb cable which is plugged to a charger21:45
chem|stchanging an ambience is an action having a repos active is having a list of files downloaded and not system relevant stuff altered21:45
Quuflanag: update guide tells you that21:45
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chem|stflanag: pwrbtn21:46
flanagQuu: yeah, I "panicked" for no reason, it already started booting21:46
flanagand asks for PIN now21:46
flanageverything ok21:46
chem|stflanag: the update is still in progress21:46
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Aardchem|st: having a repo active may change the dependency calculations for an update, depending on what's in the repo.21:46
stephgAard so I have a boot loop of some sort21:46
flanagdamn, the scrolling is so smooth now21:47
flanagnice work21:47
stephgjust wondering if it's worth diagnosing at 2.5 or just charging and upgrading21:47
Aardstephg: and you're still on 1.0.2.5?21:47
stephgyeah21:47
chem|stAard: if dependencies of the upgrade are bad yes21:47
stephgat boot phone was at 20-25% (even when off)21:47
Aardstephg: it does boot through to ui, though?21:47
stephgis quick to think it's dropping to like 4% and then turning itself off21:47
AlmAckstephg: update the apps first, then sailfish21:47
stephgyeah21:47
stephgAard: yeah21:48
chem|stAlmAck: that broke the last upgrade21:48
Sail0rchem|st: not the dependencies of the upgrade must be bad but also maybe a dependency in one of the repos of openrepo21:48
stephgAard: 21% > boot 21% in UI > very quickly 4% in UI and I shut it down (controlled)21:49
Morpog_PCbut I guess only repos with system level stuff should be causing such headaches21:49
chem|stSail0r: if the upgrade was good it would tell you about the broken dependency nad not install21:49
Sail0rhad that on my n900 where a dependency removed my kernel on upgrade21:49
Sail0r^^21:49
Aardstephg: try removing battery for a lenthy time, that should reset some counters. proper fix is being worked on21:49
AlmAckchem|st: hm... I'm booting the phone right now.... seems ok21:49
Sail0rbut the dependency must not be broken to do something bad21:49
stephgAard trickling on my lappy (whilst phone "off") and now at 41%21:49
Aardchem|st: if there are provides of things we provide as well in the additional repo there's not much we can do about it.21:49
Sail0rthe dependency can be looking quite good for rpm21:50
stephgAard: ok21:50
chem|stAlmAck: the store-broke-thingy from last upgrade was in my mind...21:50
Sail0rand something essential is removed or altered21:50
stephgdon't want to upgrade if this is a useful datapoint right now21:50
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stephgfor all I know it's a runaway process etc.21:50
flanagI was installing the 3d dice app and then also the internet radio app.. the store crashed and won't start anymore21:50
flanaghmm21:50
* stephg will happily wait to upgrade if it's useful21:50
chem|stAard: system relevant stuff from Jolla should always have absolute dependancies unless developer mode is active21:51
Aard'absolute dependencies'?21:51
chem|stbeware of $user21:51
chem|stAard: single version preferably a *-jolla09 one21:52
chem|stI think the packaging team is aware of such stuff21:52
Sail0rand what do you do if another package provides -jolla09 because some in his repo wanted to get it to work?21:53
Sail0r^^21:53
chem|stor not?21:53
Aardchem|st: we'll soon just disable any 3rd party repositories before doing system upgrades, and re-enable them again afterwards21:53
chem|stSail0r: having teh exact same version from different sources is pretty bad...21:54
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chem|stAard: that is one way :)21:54
Sail0rbut not impossible ;)21:54
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Turskiupgrade went quite smooth with 13 active 3rd party repos21:54
chem|stSail0r: but that would mean someone wants to intentionally hijack something21:55
chem|stTurski: yes, that is why I was asking why anyone would think that it is openrepos or some...21:55
Turskiit just first upgraded only python3-base and then at the second try the rest of the system...21:55
Sail0rI think there is always a possibility to get the system fubar ^^21:56
Aardchem|st: we had problems with openrepos before. plus we haven't seen this issue in quite extensive upgrade testing before releasing. which does not mean it's not an issue on our side, but given the problem we had with openrepos before we're considering it as an option21:56
Sail0rand the possibility rises when enabling "untrusted" repos21:56
Turskichem|st: have you ever used some linux distribution with 3rd party repos?21:56
chem|stTurski: yeah I managed to brick quiet a few machines but that is when activating system repos from different sides all over it...21:57
Turskiupgrade path just can't be tested if there's some random crap installed and it can get some nasty dependency loops and issues and so on21:58
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chem|stwell I am carefull with repos and stuff I install but $user isn't that is why I asked for sane dependancies21:58
chem|stbut the answer "disable 3rdparty" I like even more21:59
grzywaczmornfall, one of banks in Poland sends verification SMS messages starting with a "!" to automatically uninstall the Zeus malware from smartphones. ;-)21:59
AardSailor2333: found it, it was tor removing essential parts of the system when being installed21:59
mornfallgrzywacz: olol21:59
chem|stlol22:00
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Sail0rwasn't there another issue related to TOR a month ago?22:00
chem|stAard: what callHome.py and NSAupload.bin?22:01
chem|st;)22:01
chem|stAard: good job!22:01
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Sail0rToR was removed from openrepos because of problems22:03
Sail0rmaybe people should read such messages22:03
Sail0r^^22:03
Waitee:D22:03
Sail0rThere are some comments complaining that it removes phone, contactss and aliendalvik.22:04
Sail0rsounds like essential phone functions ^^22:04
Quunah, you dont need those22:05
Sail0rLast edited by nieldk; 01-12-14 at 07:12 AM.22:05
Sail0r^^22:05
Quuyeah, thats the dude who keeps uploading shitton of stuff daily22:05
AJAX555yay TOH enabled once again22:05
chem|stSail0r: where is the setting to deactivate the gesture-rotation?22:06
Sail0ris there any? ^^22:06
chem|stplease don't tell that landsape gestures have no settings22:07
Sail0ryep he is also uplink stuff which is on mer-tools @ Quu22:07
Sailor2333i have encountered a new issue - when opening a tweet, thete is an overlaying haze and nothing is responding. the only way to get out, is to lick and unlock with piwer button22:07
Sail0r*uploading22:07
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Sailor2333*lock22:07
Sail0ryou lick your power button?22:07
Sail0rxD22:07
Sailor2333not lick :/22:07
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Sailor2333sorry, i'm on communi and can't see what typing22:08
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Sail0rhehe22:08
stephgAard: now that I'm home, nothing (obviously)22:09
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Sailor2333for some reason i mistype i vs o a lot22:11
Sailor2333with jolla22:11
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stephgSailor2333: get smaller fingers22:12
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Sailor2333didn't happen with n9!22:13
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Skorpyn9's keyboard was a bit better imo22:14
Sail0ri like the jolla keyboard22:14
Sail0rit's much better than android keyboards22:14
Turskii mistype with jolla keyboard a lot too, but i did that with n9 too22:17
Turskibut in landscape it is ok22:18
Stskeepsso, 1.0.3.*, how has that been going for people?22:18
Quutoo used to desire z keyboard, cant type anything with onscreenKB :p22:18
TheBootrooAard: jolla phone reset, re upgraded to last version, accounts restored, apps reinstalled, but i won't put android or openrepos apps again22:18
hzbn900 keyboard was quite nice22:18
TheBootroothat way it CAN'T fail22:18
Sailor2333unfortunately no landscape for IM or  irc22:18
AardTheBootroo: we're not sure yet if it was openrepos, it's just one of our guesses at the moment22:19
Sail0rthe irc app devs are on it ;)22:19
Sail0rjoin #communi to ask them for landscape22:19
Sail0r^^22:19
FireFlyStskeeps: well, push actions being different in landscape in apps and outside of apps is a tad confusing, I find..22:19
TheBootrooStskeeps: ruined my device, hopefully Aard helped me to reset to factory22:19
Morpog_MobileFireFly: ? Different?22:20
StskeepsFireFly: :nod: not really a ui person22:20
Sail0rStskeeps:  everything went fine :)22:20
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FireFlyAnd I kinda liked having close-app to the left in landscape (i.e. having the push-actions tied to the same physical location on the phone instead of depending on orientation)22:20
FireFlymight be just because I've gotten used to it though, hard to say..22:20
FireFlyMorpog_Mobile: yes, the homescreen isn't landscape-ified yet, so push actions in the homescreen are the same as they used to be22:21
Sail0ri always tried to swipe down and now it's working ^^22:21
Sail0ri hope sms and email are getting landscape soon :)22:21
FireFlyMorpog_Mobile: whereas in an app they now change depending on the orientation so that the push-down action is actually always a down-push22:22
Morpog_MobileFireFly: just like on n922:22
FireFlyStskeeps: oh, and it's great that we can now add calendar entries to different calendars, but I still don't get how to create new calendars :P22:23
FireFlyMorpog_Mobile: haven't used one for more than like five minutes22:23
Morpog_MobileAnd i used my n9 till i got my jolla, so it's natural for me22:24
chem|stStskeeps: rotation of gestures is painful22:24
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clauchem|st, regarding the screen timeout while in app: there's a second timer there, after 30 seconds of display being off you will get into the lock screen on next unlock22:24
Morpog_Mobilechem|st: no, I love it22:24
Stskeepsokay, i'll readily admit i'm not a ui coder, so as long as device boot up and is in right rotation..22:24
FireFlyHaha22:25
Stskeeps:P22:25
chem|stMorpog_Mobile: you love to have 3 different orientations for gestures in for example gallery?22:25
clauStskeeps, good job with this update. you kept your promise of doing one update per (calendar) month :)22:25
FireFlyStskeeps: you might be disappointed by the fact that I haven't had to give the recovery stuff a try yet :p22:25
FireFly(assuming you had a hand in that)22:25
chem|stStskeeps: everything fine apart of some inconsistencies introduced...22:26
FireFlyI think you did?22:26
Sail0rwhy are there different orientations? @ chem|st it's always top down and left to rigth22:26
chem|stSail0r: no its not22:26
Morpog_Mobilechem|st: why? I always have the logical orientation based on content rotation22:26
Morpog_Mobileorientation22:26
chem|stturn your device with buttons down in gallery and go to ambience then to pictures22:27
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chem|stMorpog_Mobile: no you don't22:27
FireFlySail0r: if you are on 1.0.3.8, try closing the web browser in landscape mode, then try turning the device off with a down-push still in landscape mode22:27
clauStskeeps, no changes at all regarding the deep sleep and/or align timers?22:27
chem|stMorpog_Mobile: pictures turn only 90degrees ambiences turn 360degrees22:27
Sail0rwith buttons down my gallery is upside down22:27
Sail0r^^22:27
Stskeepsclau: hmm a little bit, there's some work with nemo-keepalive22:28
FireFlyMorpog_Mobile: well, I found the application closing really comfortable in landscape mode pre-update322:28
Morpog_MobileNever tried that, always use it like on n9, so only 2 orientations22:28
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FireFlyI could do all the work with the left, right and bottom edges22:28
chem|stSail0r: but your ambiences were ok... so where is the bunny?22:28
clauStskeeps, on a short test the email app still misses the syncs.22:29
Morpog_MobileButtons right and up22:29
FireFly(closing on left edge, app-switching on bottom edge, notifications on right edge)22:29
Sail0rmy ambiences are ok22:29
TheBootrooAard: Stskeeps with new update, does Jolla phone support auto mount for ext4 formatted sdcard ?22:29
clauFYI, there's another change that wasn't mentioned: pressing the volume key while locked will bring display on for a short while, such that you see the volume bar.22:30
AardTheBootroo: nothing changed there22:30
Sail0rwhat should happen with the ambiences?22:30
TheBootrooAard: so only fat32 atm ?22:30
AardTheBootroo: though pull requests welcome :p22:30
chem|stwith buttons down you should have right orientation22:30
Stskeepsalso, i hope you guys noticed that bootloader is unlockable again..22:30
Stskeepselse i'm going to be a bit upset22:30
Stskeeps:P22:30
FireFly:D22:30
FireFlyI saw the release notes said that22:30
clauStskeeps, yep, that's great news :)22:31
Sail0rcan you make a screenshot from what you mean chem|st22:31
chem|stStskeeps: I will be upset if the nitdroid team ports android before you guys ahve a working n9 built ready22:31
chem|stworking in terms of not that current stage22:31
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Morpog_MobileStskeeps, I noticed, but haven't seen any whiner from last update praising it22:32
chem|stSail0r: screenshot of a rotation?! you are kidding22:32
Stskeepschem|st: i don't think we've ever promised product grade n9; community is free to do it though22:32
StskeepsMorpog_Mobile: yeah, hmm22:32
Sail0rI don't really get what you mean22:32
clauchem|st, I will not install Sailfish on N9. It is a piece of history, I want to have it as it is.22:32
Sail0rmy looks fine in every orientation22:33
Stskeepschem|st: in this particular instance, people were doing n9 builds .. before the sailfish22:33
Stskeeps:P22:33
Stskeepser, jolla122:33
chem|stSail0r: my pictures gallery does not rotate more than 90degrees22:33
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TSCHAKMacdo I have to install rpm's (e.g. FourSail) from terminal?22:34
* stephg is charging before the upgrade :)22:34
Morpog_MobileI gues the 360 degree rotation is a bug22:34
Stskeeps360..?22:34
stephgMorpog_Mobile 360 degs 'worked' in the camera app but not the gallery in 1.0.2.522:35
Sail0rin ambiences you can rotate 360 degs22:35
Sail0r^^22:35
chem|stStskeeps: ambiences in gallery22:35
Sail0rin gallery only 90 deg22:35
Sail0rnow i understand what you mean chem|st22:35
Sail0rand the gallery itself does not rotate for me in anyway22:35
Sail0rjust a single picture22:35
chem|stI want to lock orientation of the gestures please22:35
Sail0rwebcat also rotates 360 degress22:36
Sail0rbuild in browser also22:36
chem|stit was so annoying with n9 when it did not rotate the ui yet or it did rotate it when putting the device on the table...22:36
TeguTSCHAKMac: get the file browser from jolla store22:36
Teguit is able to install rpm's22:37
chem|stStskeeps: is there a setting for gesture rotation hidden somewhere?22:37
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chem|stI dont mind to disable rotation at all if need eb22:38
chem|stbe22:38
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clauI wonder, what can we expect from the new tohd?22:39
chem|stclau: not eating the battery, cahngng ambience only if toh is changed not when recognized again22:39
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slateMy battery has gone down like mad since update22:39
slate30% left. Was 100% when update was released.22:40
clauwell, it cannot not eat battery.22:40
chem|st9%... ~1.5h22:40
clauyeah, I noticed a nice drop too, but I wasn't at 100% to start with. something around 50% maybe, and now I'm at 39%22:40
clauI guess I'll see tomorrow.22:41
slatesame22:41
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slateI'll check the current power consumption with and without tohd22:42
clauif tohd consumption can't be brough to a decent level, I wouldn't mind having an option to disable it in settings.22:42
clauand maybe an option to manually scan on nfc for new OH22:43
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slatedont know, just stopped and masked it anyways. I dont need it.22:46
clauI wish people would use the search function before submitting new reports on tjc.22:46
clauit becomes harder and harder to navigate through all the reports.22:47
slateTrue. Its already a bit messy22:47
slateimagine after 6 months :)22:47
claumaybe the duplicates should be deleted.22:47
clauor archived, or whatever.22:47
slateToo much work, too little people?22:48
clau:(22:48
slateMaybe put community-active people as admins also? Or maybe there are already?22:48
Stskeepsthere's a thread for moderators22:49
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clauhttps://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/  <--- closed23:05
clau(fingers-crossed) ;)23:05
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keithzgI feel like the duplicates problem would be mitigated if it was more along the lines of an actual bugtracker, ie. there was specific categorization and statuses rather than just tags and closed or open.23:16
Sail0ri would also like to have a real bugtracker :-/23:17
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petantikI notice there was no mention of any wifi updates, shall i take this to mean, that wpa enterprise auth is still unavailable from the ui?23:23
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chem|stpetantik: my selfmade settings don't show anymore23:33
chem|stchecked the files are still there, can try on monday if it still works23:33
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Azogmaybe i am too stupid or blind, but when i add a xmpp account, which program can use it? i can't find a jabber program23:44
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Kabouik_jHi there, thanks for the update sailors23:45
Kabouik_jCan anyone point me to the full changelog please? I'm in the train' googling is complicated23:45
Sailor4266Azog, there is a Messaging app23:46
Kabouik_j-' +,23:46
AzogSailor4266: thanks, is it installed by default?23:47
Sailor4266yes, it's on the lock screen's bottom by default23:48
raa70Kabouik_j: https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/23:48
Sailor4266it integrates sms as well23:48
Azogah, it is combined, thanks23:48
Kabouik_jThanks raa7023:49
Kabouik_jCrap, can't find how to copy a link from Communi :<23:49
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clauAzog, and you can control your presence settings by going to the nofitication screen, and check the pulley menu23:51
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