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Yanielhuh, why does it say armv7l THREE times in uname -a on the device?04:52
Yanielmy pc only says x86_64 once :D04:52
specialmachine, processor, hardware-platform04:52
specialuname -mpi04:53
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nathrakhis there a way to quickly open many apps?08:22
nathrakhwithout entering them and then swiping them away etc.08:22
Nicd-a script?08:23
nathrakhlong touch currently opens the move/delete apps view, I think it would be better if it would open an app to the background instead if you click one08:24
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jussinathrakh: what is your usecase for this ?08:27
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nathrakhI find myself tinkering without different apps etc so it's annoying to open many of them in succession08:27
nathrakhwith*08:27
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jussinathrakh: I dont  work for jolla, but... can you see a use case for other people? changes arent goign to get made without real usecases being there...08:29
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nathrakhI understand but there should always be choices and options08:30
jussiIm guessing it would be relatively simple to write an "app" that allows you to click the app, then click the apps that you want to open in the background08:30
nathrakhmaybe we'll just have to wait for the UI to open08:30
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EztranSomething like Quick Launcher could probably be set up to do that... unless new apps always open above existing, anyway.08:34
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melonipoika_hi there08:46
melonipoika_my jolla entered yesterday in a boot loop :-(08:47
melonipoika_i tried restoring factory settings, but the problem continues08:47
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Pnuumelonipoika_: try if taking out the battery for 10 minutes helps08:48
melonipoika_thans Pnuu will try that08:49
vanadisdid anyone already mess around with usb host mode?08:49
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Venemohey10:30
Stskeepsmoo10:30
tobiskimeow10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinhey !10:31
salami`hello10:32
VenemoIRC for Sailfish submitted to harbour10:32
Venemocross your fingers :)10:32
stephgwoo10:33
kehnooI just set up irssiproxy just to use it, it's great :)10:33
ggabrielgood stuff Venemo10:33
Guest314Venemo: nice job, guys. I'm using it right now.10:34
ln-Bug report: The TOH Developer Kit specification uses two different spellings for a word: ambience and ambiance. Apparently both are acceptable spellings, but perhaps it is not ideal to mix both of them in the same document, or even the same sentence, if no difference in meaning is intended.10:35
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Venemothanks ggabriel & Guest314 :)10:36
Venemoln- +110:37
Venemohm10:38
Venemocan I submit ambiences to the Jolla store?10:38
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stephgVenemo, there's a tjc thread about that10:44
Venemostephg: link please10:44
stephgyeah just looking10:44
stephgthis is one: https://together.jolla.com/question/14852/jolla-store-extension-section-for-ambiences/10:45
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stephgsharing ambiences would be very cool10:46
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veksuhttp://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit is that answer?10:47
kehnoois there any way to fix the color temperature on jPhone towards more warm?10:48
Venemowhat is a jPhone?10:48
kehnooJolla ;)10:49
Venemowhy don't you say Jolla then?10:49
kehnooeh, why not?10:49
Raimit's not the product name and way too similar to a competitor. Jolla is unlike anything else!10:50
StskeepsJP-1301.10:51
Stskeeps:P10:51
kehnooalright, going to use that in the future then :p10:51
VenemoStskeeps: btw, I'm reading the TOH specification. there're a few mistakes in the document10:51
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Pnuucompetitor? you mean: inferior brand10:52
StskeepsVenemo: -> together10:52
VenemoStskeeps: ok10:52
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VenemoStskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/25066/mistakes-in-the-other-half-documentation/10:57
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VenemoIMO, the ambiences which come with the white TOH (or even the "first one") are just totally blown away by the ambiences of the new TOHs11:20
HarhaanJohtajadoes anyone else have problem with gps? It takes something like 5 minutes to get a fix when I have not used gps for a while.11:20
HarhaanJohtajamobile data is working fine11:20
ggabrielVenemo: did you get one?11:20
Venemoggabriel: no, I don't like the color of the TOHs themselves11:21
ggabrielok, i thought you had more intimate knowledge11:21
Venemoggabriel: no, just looked at the website11:21
ggabrieli'm resisting the buy11:21
VenemoHarhaanJohtaja: for me GPS lock takes between 10 and 30 seconds when I have a data connection and several minutes when I don't11:22
Venemoggabriel: I'm waiting for the lime other half, or maybe the hardware keyboard other half ;)11:22
ggabrielHarhaanJohtaja: it works ok for me too, similar to venemo's experience, sometimes faster with no data connection11:22
ggabrielVenemo: hw kbd is tempting indeed11:23
ggabrieli'm patient, i can wait11:23
Venemome too11:23
Venemonow that I have the device itself, the rest can wait :)11:23
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HarhaanJohtajasame for me before 1.0.25. Maybe I should try factory reset sometimes11:26
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VenemoI never did a factory reset, yet I have no issues at all11:29
ggabrieli did as a precaution11:31
ggabrielmay do again for fun11:31
Venemolol, for fun?11:31
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ggabrielyeah11:31
Venemoanyway, I gotta rush off now, ttyl :)11:31
ggabrielthe jolla is not my main phone yet11:31
Venemoah, it's my main phone :P11:31
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rangoyWhy did jolla send an email about a new update now... when it was released almost a week ago?12:52
Pnuuemail?12:53
Pnuuor a notification to phone?12:54
ggabrielno emails here12:54
TheBootrooPnuu: "New software update and The Other Half now available" from campaigns@jolla.com12:54
TheBootrooless than 1 hour ago12:54
Pnuu0_o12:54
rangoyNew software update and The Other Half now available12:54
rangoyInbox12:54
rangoyx12:54
rangoyJolla campaigns@jolla.com via mail4.atl51.rsgsv.net12:54
dawnbringerI just got it too.12:54
Nicd-me too12:54
ggabrielmust be going through my spam filter12:54
PnuuI only got "Stimulate your body to amaze women"12:55
Nicd-it has info about he OH release too though12:55
ggabrielthey must have thought "better wait for all the anxious people to download before we announce to the world"12:55
rangoyreceeived 13:47 CET12:55
ggabrielPnuu: lol12:55
rangoyyes, but that's old news too12:55
ggabrieli'm not the one monitoring the servers, so i wouldn't know ;-)12:55
Pnuuok, received it now12:56
ggabrielPnuu: "upgrade your phone and buy a new TOH to amaze women"?12:57
aupoFor a moment I was feeling anxious when I got the mail, 'cause today my Jolla has been almost non-stop crash-restarting, only got it to stop by disabling mobile networking before it started up after another crash.12:57
Stskeepsaupo: turn off your device, pull battery for 10 minutes12:58
Pnuuggabriel: extended TOH12:58
ggabrielPnuu: i'm laughing irl12:59
Pnuu"just plug it in and she'll be happy"12:59
aupoStskeeps: This a known fix? :)13:00
Stskeepsaupo: well, calling it a fix is ..13:00
Stskeepslet's call bandaid13:00
aupoExecuting it right now, though, thanks :)13:00
ppit seems to have helped here!13:00
aupoSo it seems the problem is known and perhaps in the process of being taken care of?13:00
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Nicd-I have my fingers crossed13:01
Nicd-almost 24 hours uptime now13:01
skvarkmy Jolla has shut down already 3 times today, no obvious reason o.o13:01
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Venemo_jthe better question is, why doesn't the email appear readably on the Jolla device?13:03
skvarktaking the battery off now for 10 mins13:04
Nicd-it was fine on mine13:04
Nicd-or do you mean the horiz scrolling?13:04
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ggabrieluhm... shame that i can't copy url's any more from the browser13:18
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ggabrielhopefuly tidings has a text/xml format and i can just create a dummy one and enter my feeds manually :P13:19
ggabriels/manually/that way/13:19
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eyeaJolla.)olla.joh13:32
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Acceggabriel: copy urls? by long pressing a link?13:40
ggabrielAcce: that didn't work for me either13:40
ggabrielbut i'd like to copy them from the tab switcher too13:40
ggabrielwhich i think i used to be able to13:41
Accehmm weird long pressing links works for me13:41
Acceor at least worked, let me test13:41
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ggabrielnothing works actually13:42
ggabriellet me apply microsoft's troubleshooting rule13:42
Accehmm, long pressing a link worked for me13:42
ggabrielAcce: thanks, i'm rebooting, if it doesn't work, i'll look into it a bit further13:43
eyeaJolla13:43
Accein the tabs page it didn't work if I just clicked the url13:43
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Accebut if I edit the url and then long press it, it is copied13:44
jussihey sledges - how are those android ports going along?13:44
ggabrielAcce: yup, reboot worked13:44
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eyea)0lla13:48
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sledgesjussi: soon(tm)13:49
jussisledges: hehe13:49
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Gorithsniff, for me it seems that jolla do not have a repair service at all, tomorrow it is exactly one month when I asked where to send or get my jolla for repair14:06
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Gorithno reply at all (i do not count the generic semiautoreply after the first post)14:06
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eyeashame14:09
eyeaJolla are a new outfit14:10
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eyeawhats wrong with it14:10
eyeathe phone14:10
Yanielhm?14:11
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fluxgorith, you should try again.14:11
Yanielit is just a new back cover14:11
Yanielfor those that like it in a different colour14:11
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Goritheyea: it is in boot loop14:13
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Gorithand recovery is not working14:13
StskeepsGorith: 1.0.2.5?14:13
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StskeepsGorith: what zendesk tickt # ?14:13
Gorithyep14:13
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GorithStskeeps: #634714:15
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StskeepsGorith: ok14:15
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zmohi! I just wanted to know whether it is possible to pay the jolla using a wire transfer (to lower money exchange charges)?14:35
zmo(in case anybody knows)14:35
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ggabrielzmo: ask jolla@care.com14:36
ggabrielor you'll have to get it 2nd hand14:37
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* ggabriel is pretty sure that what a credit card charges is less than money transfer charges, but that may vary per country14:37
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Yanielggabriel: was that "misspelling" intentional?14:38
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ggabrielYaniel: sigh14:38
ggabrielzmo: care@jolla.com14:38
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zmoggabriel - I actually use transferwise to lower exchange rates :-)14:38
ggabrielYaniel: thanks for pointing out14:38
zmobut, ok14:38
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zmoanyway, I was just wondering, I admit I can't wait to buy and get one14:39
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ggabrielzmo: if you are in an unsupported country, i doubt jolla will sell to you now14:42
ggabrielunsupported country sounds harsh, but you get my gist14:42
zmoggabriel - I'm in a supported country (France) but I do work for a UK based firm, and I'm sick of giving fees to the banks14:43
ggabrieli see14:43
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bokalzmo, can't you ask a friend?14:44
ggabrielzmo: get a big loan :D that way, the bank gives YOU money14:44
zmoI mean, I'm a FLOSS/OSHW engineer and supporter, but I do not see why I have to support the banking system, they already still too much from the people :-)14:44
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zmos/still/steal/14:44
* zmo is a bit tired14:44
slatebattery went from 70 -> 0 in a matter of minutes, green light blinked and rebooted. :)14:45
slateAnd yes, it got hot.14:45
Yanieldid you run systemctl synchrotron.service?14:46
zmoslate - in eletronics it usually is signs of a shortcut14:46
Yaniel+start14:47
slatezmo: but now it was surely a software fail.14:47
zmoslate - wha14:47
slateYaniel: no idea what that is14:47
zmoslate - reminded me of some GTA04 bugs14:47
Yanielhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron14:47
slatereminded me of some nokia-bugs.14:47
slateliek, 523014:47
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slateYaniel: mine has not arrived yet14:48
vesurivsslate, theres been other reports of the same issue14:48
Yanielon a more serious note, do you have done any hw hacks?14:48
Yaniellike nfc foiling14:48
slateNope, never happened before 1.0.3.814:48
vesurivsbattery draining rapidly to zero in a matter of seconds14:49
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slatesome service got stuck14:49
slatethats it14:49
* ggabriel wonders if the electronics in the jolla are strong enough to actually drain the battery, or there is a problem with the battery meter14:49
slateit would not get hot in case of meter-failure14:50
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arhm15:45
arI'm at the "Ambience" and "Select your favourite colour" screen15:45
arand there's no black :<15:45
ggabrielar: there's never been a black15:45
ggabrielyou can easily change the ambience, so don't sweat it15:45
ShadowJKbattery neter retardness comes out stronger under higher load15:46
RaimI deduce: black is not a colour15:48
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Waiteeblack is a colour15:49
artechnically, it's the lack of colour15:49
Waiteewell it's lack of light15:49
arbut it's still my favourite15:49
Waiteeif you talk about inks it has more colour than anything15:50
ggabrielRaim: you are right: black, white and any grey aren't official colours15:55
ggabrielbut they are commonly referred to as colours15:55
Waiteei dont know who idiot defines what are "official" colours15:56
Raimggabriel: I knew I would trigger this discussion with that statement ;-)15:56
Waiteeif a visual shade is a combination of many different wavelengths it isnt a colour?15:57
krnlynghas anybody written gles or even sdl apps for sailfish yet?15:57
ggabrielWaitee: if you talk to any designer-like professional, who are good with combining colours and classifying them, you'll find that black and white aren't colours15:58
ggabrielfwiw, physically, black is nothing15:58
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Waitee:D15:58
Waiteeso lack of wavelengths isnt colour15:59
ggabrielWaitee: i won't argue, i'm almost trolling :)15:59
bwallbergkrnlyng: Try asking in the #sailfishos channel if you don't get an answer here :)15:59
Waiteestill havent found a reasonable argument why white wouldnt be a colour15:59
Waiteeit's just not because designers and artist are taught from the beginning so16:00
Waiteejust like saying zero and infinite arent numbers16:00
Waiteeyes im an engineer :D16:01
tbrthey don't belong to certain number spaces though16:01
Acceso it's just a question of what color space you are talking about16:01
arhm16:01
ggabrielWaitee: i'm an engineer too. the reason i was given is that they are achromatic16:01
arwhere's the terminal app?16:02
Waiteeyou can say that about any number Acce16:02
ggabrielar: you need to activate developer mode16:02
arit doesn't show up in store when i search "term" or "terminal"16:02
ggabrielbut don't touch the automatic dev updates16:02
Acceor any color, or anything you can model with a space16:02
Waiteegotta google what achromatic or chromatic means16:02
ggabrielWaitee: you'll probably get the wrong answer ;-)16:03
ggabrielgoogle being gooble16:03
ggabrielgoogle even16:03
AcceI'm just goobling around16:03
Acce(= googling and finding false information which I believe)16:03
ggabrieli'm 66% colour blind so i honestly don't care16:03
Waiteewikipedia16:03
ggabrielsurprisingly, i'm a lot better with any shade of grey than most "normal" people16:04
tango_66% colour blind?16:04
ggabrielor rather, unsurprisingly16:04
tango_wth is that?16:04
ggabrieltango_: according to some test16:04
tango_this is the first time I heard colour blindness defined in percentages honestly16:04
tango_and I'm a pronatope16:04
ggabrieltango_: i guess it's about how many numbers you can tell in those circles :)16:05
tango_oh I think I know what you mean16:05
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tango_that's a stupid way of quantifying that though16:05
ggabrieltango_: well, i don' tknow the official way16:05
tango_I'll give you a link16:05
ggabrieli'm less colour blind than a friend of mine16:05
ggabriel(who scored 80% on the same test)16:05
AcceI have a friend who's colour blind, and I tried to make him describe what red and green colors look like to him16:06
Acceit was an interesting discussion16:06
tango_the answer is "the same"16:06
tango_and that's not even correct16:06
tango_(for example, light green = yellow)16:06
Acceit was not about comparing them16:06
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tango_damnit the webpage isn't online anymore 8-/16:07
ggabrielAcce: colour blind or not, describing colours is almost impossible16:07
Accewell, just trying to explain in words something one cannot understand unless they got such eyes16:07
ggabrieltango_: don't worry16:07
Acceggabriel: yep, not with words anyhow16:08
tango_AH, ARCHIVE.ORG TO THE RESCUE16:08
Accewhich brings us to question: do other people really see color "green" as the "green" I see it as?16:08
tango_http://web.archive.org/web/20110430051417/http://psychology.ucalgary.ca/pace/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/congenital.htm16:08
tango_Acce: there's a martin mystere graphic novel on that, very nice, I recommend it16:09
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Accethey see the same mixture of wavelenghts of light, but do they interpret it in the same way?16:09
Accetango_: thanks!16:09
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ggabrieltango_: in number 3, that colour arrangement test, i can see a circle with little circles inside :)16:10
tango_ggabriel: do the first two air balloons picture look the same?16:10
ggabrielnope16:10
ggabrieland i know about the rod monochromat16:10
ggabrieli didn't know it was classified as colour blindness too16:11
ggabrielas the condition is rather different16:11
ggabrielthis is quite interesting though :)16:11
ggabrielAcce: tango_ only one balloon looks very different, the others only slightly different16:11
tango_ggabriel: I think you might be an anomalous tricromat rather than a dicromat16:12
ggabrielAcce: sorry, not sure why i typed your nickname there16:12
ggabrieli am anomalous alright ;-)16:12
Accetango_: do you remember the exact name of the novel / episode?16:12
Acceggabriel: no problem :)16:12
tango_ggabriel: only the one on the left should look different16:12
tango_the others should be the same16:12
ggabrieltango_: ah, gotcha16:12
tango_Acce: well it was a special issue about color, so I'm going to guess some x0016:13
tango_ggabriel: and that shows that you are not a protanope 8-)16:13
tango_ggabriel: what about the other pairs16:13
ggabriel2nd pair, same sa before: but the balloon is a lot more different16:13
ggabrielwait16:13
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ggabrielthe balloon in the middle is def different16:13
ggabrielbut not in colour, it seems in intensity16:14
ggabrieland the one on the right only slightly different16:14
ggabrielsky is lighter on the left hand side16:14
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tango_ggabriel: I'm going out and guess you are a protanomalous16:14
ggabrieltritanopia: this is almost black and white - i can see some red there, but that's about it16:14
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tango_(i.e. not really colour blind but with defective "red" perception, to simplify)16:14
ggabrieltango_: could be, altho i suck at blue/purple/some pinks16:15
ggabrieli can see the difference between blue and purple16:15
tango_ggabriel: anything with red will throw you off16:15
ggabrielbut i can't distinguish them at a distance16:15
ggabrielpurple may have red actually16:15
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tango_purple is blue+red16:15
ggabrieli naver made purple16:15
ggabrielok, gotcha16:15
ggabrielthanks, i know me better now16:16
tango_ggabriel: what about yellow and light green?16:16
ggabrielnormally i can tell the difference, but sometimes not16:16
ggabrieli can easily confuse green and red tho16:16
tango_but you have excellent night vision16:16
ggabrielthinking about it, i'm pretty comfortable to distinguish yellow and green/light green/whatever16:16
ggabrieltango_: that's probably why the misus copmlains that i never switch on the light16:17
tango_lol16:17
ggabrieli wouldn't say it's excellent tho16:17
ggabrieli actually thought about it16:17
ggabrieli should be more considerate16:17
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tango_better than most tricromats I'm going to guess16:17
tango_(normal tricromats)16:17
ggabrielwell, i should have more receptors for that16:17
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tango_I suspect that's the case for most colour perception deficiencies16:18
tango_less cones for some wavelengths, but more rods in their place, or something like that16:19
ggabrielthat's what "my inner fish" explains16:19
ggabrielor our inner fish, can't remember16:19
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ggabrieltango_: thanks, i owe you a beer ;)16:22
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tango_I don't drink alcohol16:22
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ggabriels/beer/drink/16:22
tango_that can be arranged16:23
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ggabriel:)16:23
mikhasI'll happily drink your beer as long as it's not Lapin Kulta.16:23
Accemikhas: +1 :D16:23
mikhasggabriel, you owe me one beer now16:24
svuorelaI want lapin kulta16:24
mikhassvuorela, pervert16:24
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tobiskiHi, I'm about to change my SIM-card to a new one, how do I know if the phone numbers are on the device or sim-card and if they're on the sim-card, how can I move them to the new one?16:25
svuorelamikhas: but karjala terva olut would be my preferred one from that country16:25
Sail0ris the store just for me slow?16:25
tbrtobiski: whatever you see in the jolla UI is on the phone16:33
Stskeepstbr: device16:33
Stskeepserr..16:33
Stskeepstobiski:16:33
tobiskiok, so I can just activate the new sim-card and take it to use16:33
TMavicatesting16:34
PeperJohnnyStskeeps: is there a way to delete contacts from sim you know of with jolla?16:34
TMavicatesting of irc 0.1116:34
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SiddeWhy is ipv6 privacy IPs set to disabled by default?16:59
Siddeis that some kind of joke?16:59
Siddeand how do you enable it?17:01
aryay, vi is installed by default17:02
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arSidde: if it's controllable with sysctl, you should be able to just put a file in /etc/sysctl.d17:03
Sail0rset this to enabled in your connman config for the network where you want it IPv6.privacy=disabled17:03
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Sail0ror via sysctl net.ipv6.conf.wlan0.use_tempaddr = 217:05
Siddewhy is that not on by default?17:05
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Sail0ron most systems i know it's disabled by default17:06
Siddeif i set it to enable and reconnect. it goes back to disabled17:06
SiddeSail0r: its enabled on osx and windows at least17:06
Sail0ri speak of linux systems :x17:07
Siddei can check tomorrow in redhat what's the default17:07
Sail0rand i disable it anyway on all my systems17:07
Sail0r^^17:07
SiddeSail0r: why?17:07
Siddeyou like exposing your MAC?17:07
Sail0ri do not expose my mac17:07
vattewho doesn't like exposing their MAC?17:08
Siddeyou don't use the dynamic addesses then?17:08
Sail0rI don't believe that ipv6 privacy helps in privacy issues17:08
vatteI just don't expose my MAC wherever for the fear of being arrested17:09
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ggabrielvatte: so, change it evrey now and then :P17:09
SiddeSail0r: it might not solve the issue but it helps avoid tracking abit17:10
Sail0rmy prefix is fixed delegated17:10
Sail0rso i am trackable ^^17:10
Sidde:P17:10
vatteggabriel: sounds a bit kinky for my taste ;)17:11
Sail0rbut maybe there are problems with tempaddr in sailfish17:12
Siddei cant get it to work17:13
SiddeHow do i disable v6?17:13
Siddemight be easier to just do that instead17:13
Siddeand i mean permanent and not just per wifi-connection17:14
Sail0rnet.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 117:15
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Siddeand add it to sysctl i'll guess?17:16
anonfrieseso guys, any toh-orders already shipped?17:16
ggabrielyou kinda have to17:16
Siddei mean add it into sysctl.conf17:16
ggabrielSidde: yup17:16
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ggabrielelse it's gone after reboot17:16
Sail0rif you want it to be permant disabled you must add it to sysctl.conf17:16
Sail0rafterwards run sysctl -p17:17
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Siddethere is not even a sysctl.conf :D17:20
ggabrieliirc, that's normally the case17:20
Siddemaybe in sailfish yes17:20
ggabrielSidde: same in openbsd fwiw17:20
Sail0rjust add it17:20
Siddeggabriel: havn't been configuring openbsd since the 3.3 days i think17:21
ggabrielbtw, anybody knows of a cool image manipulation package in mer-tools or alike?17:21
ggabrielkinda like imagemagick17:21
Pnuuisn't imagemagick available?17:21
ggabrielso that i can do things like convert -rotate 180 updside.down.pdf kind of thing :)17:21
ggabrieli searched for it and it wasn't17:21
Pnuu:-(17:21
ggabrieloh hang about17:21
ggabrieldid i re-add mer-tools17:21
Siddeit did work so thanks ggabriel and Sail0r17:22
Sail0rand now we track you with ipv4 :x17:22
ggabrielyup, it's enabled and it isn't there17:23
ggabrielnot trivial to port to arm me thinks17:23
SiddeSail0r: that's ok. It's already exposed everywhere anyway17:23
Pnuuggabriel: oh, it certainly is available for arm17:23
PnuuI have it on RPi and UDOO17:23
ggabrielPnuu: cool, so it just needs to be in mer-tools, or i'll have to find it elsewhere17:23
ggabrielisn't the raspi slightly different cpu-wise?17:24
ggabrielanyway i have to set up cross compiling17:24
ggabrieland get on with it17:24
PnuuRPi has ARM1176JZFS17:25
Pnuuand now I gotta run17:26
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stephganyone else think the wireless has got less reliable in 1038?18:04
Sail0rhm it's working for me18:05
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arthe store app renamed itself to yandex.store o_O18:10
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FryeBattery life is real nice now. I was out in the woods from tuesday morning. Got my Jolla and iPhone 5 with me overnight. I had to switch the iPhone off around 7pm on tuesday and on again approx 1pm on wednesday for it to survive the remainder of the trip.18:11
FryeAt the same time Jolla showed more than 50%18:11
FryeAnd it was on all the time. And only device being used when the iPhone was off. :-)18:12
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Quunice18:15
Fryeyep18:15
FryeI mean it was on par with the iPhone already before the update.18:15
FryeBut now it was way better.18:15
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vatteDamn, jolla would be a really usable phone, if only mine didn't shut down randomly18:16
vatteI'm talking about this topic: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/18:16
Nicd-vatte: have you tried to take battery off for 10 minutes?18:17
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vatteNicd-: yes, but it doesn't help for long18:17
vatteStskeeps: I wonder if there is any news... :)18:18
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vattetried also resetting the system, didn't help18:18
vatteit's quite discouraging to do anything with the phone, as it might shutdown in the middle of any activity18:19
Quumy shutdown problems disappeared about 2 weeks ago and have had 0 problems after that18:20
Quuno idea why/how it ended..18:20
vatteI also have the sim card issue: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/18:21
vatteall in all, this probably means that I'm quite hard to get in touch with these days :D18:21
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Raimvatte: I had problems when I used a custom cut-down SIM card first, no problems anymore with a regular micro-SIM18:24
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vatteRaim: I got the regular micro-SIM from my provider as well, didn't help with the problem18:24
vatteI guess I didn't win the hardware lottery :P18:25
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cb400fvatte: apparently the problem is that the sim needs to trigger some switch in the top left area of the sim card slot18:30
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* cb400f doesn't have any problems with the jolla, besides not being able to resist constantly swiping it18:34
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HarhaanJohtajahttps://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments18:52
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netzviehthe battery usage improvements were pretty huge oO19:21
netzvieh2 days of normal use and still over 50%19:21
Sail0r:)19:21
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netzviehwhere before the update I'd be at 0 to 5 after one and a half day19:22
netzvieh(even with disabled/masked tohd.service)19:22
Sail0roO19:22
Sail0rmy battery life was always the same since tohd.service masking19:23
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Sail0r3-519:23
Sail0rdays19:23
Sail0rand it's the same with 1.0.3.819:23
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FryeAnyone else here having this obsession to get all the new other halves :D19:24
FryeI'm soooo tempted19:24
JopeI'm quite intrigued about the oled toh19:24
attahFrye: thinking about it, yes..19:25
Jopetoo lazy to contact kimmoli about it tho19:25
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tobiskihmm, I know some have the error message while connecting OH but I don't get any error message nor does it change my ambience, anyone else having this?19:25
slateI want a toh without the round top/bottom shape19:25
tobiskimy tohd.service is running19:25
slatejust flat, please.19:25
netzviehFrye: I'll stay with the poppyred until something useful turns up19:25
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FryeFor me the poppy red would most likely be the one that I use.19:26
Sail0rI ordered keira black19:26
FryeAnd there is no _real_ reason for me to get those.19:26
Sail0ri can not resist xD19:26
FryeBut for some reason I just have to have it all :D19:26
Sail0rthe reason for me to get another other half is supporting jolla :)19:26
netzvieheven though poppy red looks more like orange :D19:26
FryeSail0r, same thinking here.19:28
FryeJust hit the order button19:28
Sail0r:)19:28
FryeGot both of the new ones...19:28
Sail0r:)19:28
Quui want green/yellow19:28
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Quuor maybe something with with19:28
FryeI want deep blue19:28
Sail0rlime green and pink is what i want19:29
Sail0rxD19:29
Quuerh, patterns?19:29
FryeOr forest green :D19:29
Quui cant english today19:29
FryeI'm soon to become a wilderness guide. This year still to complete studies.19:29
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FryeAnyway, off to packing. Got this one to complete in the coming weekend: http://www.umpihankihiihto.pudasjarvi.fi/english/index.php19:30
FryeI'm so tempted to bring my Jolla with me and have some pictures of it participating in the contest :D19:31
FryeWe'll see.19:31
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netzviehyou mean, your jolla with skis ?19:33
netzviehI'd like to see that19:33
netzviehI bet its pretty hard without feet19:33
Sail0rmaybe a toh with skiing helmet? ^^19:34
Sail0rand solar for recharging19:34
Frye=)19:34
Quuand parachute for surviving plane crash19:34
FryeI'm confident it'll survive.19:34
FryeI'm worried about my company iPhone though19:34
AL13Na quadcopter TOH with extra battery and solar charger19:35
FryeIt's dead dry on battery before we hit the camping site on saturday evening =)19:35
netzviehFrye: crush it and tell your boss you want a jolla :)19:35
AL13Nthen, try to send the phone accross the planet19:35
Fryehehe19:35
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Sail0rok this thing stays away from my jolla :x http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/(beta)-okeanos-sailfish-irc-client/new/?topicseen#new19:35
FryeI'm very soon making the change19:35
FryeI just need to get the time to switch both sim cards19:35
FryeMy own to iPhone and the company one to my jolla19:36
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netzviehAL13N: you could try something like they did with the raspi and the camera board19:36
netzviehin a small balloon19:36
FryeI pretty much need the search functionality to e-mails and I'm switching.19:36
netzviehyeah the mail client needs a huge improvement19:37
AL13Nnetzvieh: maybe the quadcopter needs an extra rocket to go faster19:37
FryeCurrently I find myself way too often using it on the company phone19:37
FryeOther than that I could live with it already19:37
netzviehoh i always have my company phone with me, to have internet for my jolla :D still no sim in it, because my provider won't answer my questions regarding a second sim card :(19:38
netzviehanf 5gb are enough for 2 phones :D19:38
arhm19:39
army store icon got replaced with yandex.store and it launches a different store than the default one19:39
arwhere it prompts me to register/login19:40
Nicd-yandex.store is the android store19:40
Nicd-it shouldn't replace the jolla store19:40
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AL13Nmaybe you're overlooking the jolla store19:41
AL13NJOLLA HAS A BIG ISSUE!!!19:43
AL13NPLZ HELP!!!111one19:43
AL13Nsomeone called me on my jolla19:43
AL13Nand i don't know them19:43
AL13NFIX ASAP!!!!111ONE!!!19:43
netzvieh:D19:43
Accefeature-request: add panic button to AL13N's Jolla19:44
AL13NAcce: or better19:44
Nicd-OH with panic button19:44
AL13Na DON'T PANIC sign19:44
Nicd-shuts down the phone19:44
AL13Nin friendly letters19:44
Sail0rlol AL13N19:44
AL13Ni assume everyone knows what i'm talking about19:44
AcceMaybe they should just hire some woman with beautiful voice19:44
Acceand put it as your alarm sound19:44
Sail0rdid you wear your towel ?19:44
jussino, if you hit the panic button it automatically shuts down your social networking sites :P19:44
Acce"AL13N, honey, don't panic"19:45
AL13NSail0r: nobody said to WEAR it, i'm carrying it with me19:45
Sail0rmaybe that's the problem :P19:45
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AL13Nfirst i'm taping off the camera's on my jolla19:45
AL13Nyou never know :-)19:45
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netzviehAL13N: all 3 of them?19:45
Sail0rboth cameras19:45
Sail0r3?19:45
AL13N3?19:45
Sail0rmaybe you have a different one ^^19:46
Nicd-see the pinhole camera at the top?19:46
AL13Nwut19:46
Nicd-it's watching19:46
AL13NPANIC19:46
* AL13N imagines some extremely loud alarm noise with a turning light in red19:46
AL13Nmaybe there needs to be a hitchhikers guide to galaxy OH19:47
netzviehSail0r: maybe YOU just don't know all secrets of your jolla yet19:47
Sail0ri always put it in his pocket ^^19:47
netzviehAL13N: UNBEDINGT!19:48
AL13Nsorry, i'm not german19:48
netzviehforgot how to english. just would be toooo awesome.19:48
netzviehwell i know. just couldn't remember how to say it english ;)19:49
Sail0rabsolut? ^^19:49
Sail0r+e19:49
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netzviehhmm. there's just no word to express that :D19:50
netzviehthey are all too weak19:50
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FireFlyAL13N: towel other half?20:22
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FireFlyprobably not too practical20:23
Nicd-I think cybette already has one somewhat like that ;)20:23
FireFlyHaha, right20:23
FireFlythe furry OH20:23
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attahcybette: pic?20:26
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jubo2The SMS UI needs work20:44
chem|stStskeeps: that campaign mail is a surprise... 6 days after the update to all those people having more bugs than before^^20:44
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jubo2a somewhat sizeable amount of work20:44
chem|stjubo2: many things need work20:44
chem|stjubo2: but first of all they need to fix the connection problems20:44
jubo2chem|st: it is only the lack of salary payers20:44
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ShadowJKwhat bugs :D20:47
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jubo2Sometimes I cannot figure out to whom all I am sending a message20:47
jubo2that's a rather serious fumble-up20:47
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jubo2The devels are like "Look mom. No buttons."21:00
jubo2and are almost getting away with it21:00
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slateuhm, peek right?21:04
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keithzgI think the most serious bug right now is the French government not letting my parents leave the country while processing their visa applications, thus meaning they can't come back to Canada for a few days and happen to bring my Jolla with them ;)21:17
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chem|stkeithzg: sad story bro :/21:19
chem|stslate: peek what?21:19
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slateto see message recipient?21:20
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Yanielor swipe left21:22
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FireFlykeithzg: aw :(21:30
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AJAX555oh yeah!22:13
AJAX555"Which mobile platform do you use?"22:13
AJAX555finally I get to choose "other"!22:14
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