#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2014-02-05

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chem|stbennypr0fane: currently only bulk deletion00:32
bennypr0fanechem|st: thanks, just saw there's already a thread on tjc: https://together.jolla.com/question/1474/sharing-multiple-files-at-once-with-bluetoothemailfacebook/00:34
bennypr0faneplease vote!00:34
ottulovoted!00:35
ottulodid anyone try the new file browser from openrepos?00:36
chem|stottulo: which?00:36
ottuloFiletug00:36
chem|stnope00:36
Dima^oh my.. android camera in jolla!00:36
ottuloit seems good, especially the ability to finally read plain text files00:36
chem|stI rather deactivate all repos again and remain silent and wait for merOBS00:37
ottuloselecting/copying text would be a nice addition...00:37
ottulobut, I had a problem when opening an image - I could not go back00:37
ottuloonly zoom in/out and pan00:37
ottulowell, if nobody else tried it I guess I'll get to bed00:38
chem|stthere is no QA on openrepos...00:38
ottuloyeah, just wondering if anyone else noticed it00:38
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ottulomight leave a comment after trying when exactly it happens, as there seems to be a difference between png and jpg at least00:39
ottuloanyway, off ->00:39
pdanek"The Other Half Keira Black smart cover is electric, urban and industrial." -> electric? urban? really???00:42
sledgesringtone sounds defo electric00:42
pdanekah I see00:43
sledgesalso ambiance looks cool00:43
sledgesbut i cannot understand why aloe ringtone sounds so out-of-tune..00:43
sledgesprobably im too old for indy :)00:44
sledges /alternative00:44
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Dima^I've bought this keira toh00:48
Dima^but I'm gonna keep jolla's original ringtone00:48
sledgesknightley..00:48
raa70too bad there's only other half00:49
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Dima^Keiras ringtone is not harsh enough to be heard in public00:51
* pahartik peeled off original display cover film from "Jolla Mobile" device after month and week of use, wonders whether anyone is selling suitable screen cover yet00:55
sledgesi cut from an ipad air - enough for two00:55
sledgesmaybe custom-cut special orders could work?00:56
raa70It doesn't need one00:57
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Dima^I didn't use it on n9 for two years00:57
Dima^theres still no scratch, even it fell several times while climbing on the Alps00:58
Dima^or being in pocket with keys00:58
pahartiksledges: Local hackerspace could cut with CO2 laser, if material is suitable for such00:58
Dima^gorilla glass seems to be quite good invention00:58
sledgesunless pocket phone and keys meet01:02
raa70well, if you have titanium keys...01:02
sledgespahartik: i came across some renown sp makers do custom cuts01:02
sledgesso you can choose simple material, tempered glass or something like invisishield01:03
pahartiksledges: Where is it?01:03
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sledgesit's not in one place - one maker does one material, another - the other01:04
sledgestrick is to find the best vendors, who make lots of profit and can allow custom cuts01:05
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sledgesstumbled upon one today, but got lost in internet space; google custom screen protector gives out stuffs01:10
sledgesgood night people01:10
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Abby20 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6904:04
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Stskeepshttp://pandoralive.info/?p=2808.08:08
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stephginteresting08:14
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Azogare there git-builds for gpodder available? or, how can i build packages from http://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish08:23
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tbrStskeeps: while I see the rationale, there are very dangerous asumptions in the TI choice. Foremost the "linux support" bit.08:25
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Stskeepstbr: yeah.. and today using libhybris isn't shameful08:38
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CoderCandyI really like the native jolla IRC client08:40
CoderCandyIs there any developer I can throw money on to show my support?08:41
CoderCandythat is, a donate button08:41
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thpAzog: in platform sdk, if you clone the gpodder-sailfish repo recursively, you just need to use "mb2 build". please note that until the final release, this is still a development version, so on-disk format, database, etc.. might change without notice until the final release, and you might lose your data, etc.. (standard disclaimers apply)08:44
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AJAX555CoderCandy: what native irc client? from where?09:09
CoderCandyUh, "IRC For Sailfish 0.1"09:10
AJAX555is it in jolla store? because I can't find it from there09:11
AJAX555or warehouse09:11
tobiskihttps://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases/tag/v0.1-rc09:11
CoderCandyNo, ^ that link09:11
Waiteei just use irssi through ssh09:11
AJAX555ok thanks09:11
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tobiskioh wait that's old09:11
AJAX555oh?09:12
sharpneliIrssi trough ssh might be the prime reason why native irc app development is so lackluster09:12
tobiskihttps://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases09:12
sharpneliWithout irssi+ssh irc would've been day 1 app :D09:12
tobiskithe top one09:12
AJAX555Waitee: yeah, I use that too, but I just want to test native irc client09:12
tbrmosh + screen + irssi = teh win! also on jolla09:12
CoderCandyI dunno, I dislike the fingerterm keyboard for chatting09:13
Siddetbr: with a physical keyboard it would be very good09:13
rangoyirc is best on irssi on server. mobile networks are to unstable09:13
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CoderCandyWell, I should probably pay attention to my class09:13
tbrSidde: I don't miss the hw keyboard of my n950. I leave it in my pocket and prefer the Jolla.09:14
Siddetbr: it takes forever to keep up with a discussion of for example irc on a on screen keyboard09:14
Siddeno physical feedback means that you have to look where to put your fingers09:15
tbrSidde: so it does with a tiny hw-kbd. btdtmto on my n95009:15
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Siddea foldable full size keyboard would work09:15
Siddewith a docking for the phone09:16
tbrI have one of those nokia foldables, fairly nice and has a kick-stand for the phone.09:16
tbrnot full size, but more comfortable09:17
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tbrjust would need bt-kbd support09:17
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Waiteetbr: n900?09:17
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Azogthp: thanks for the help, i have a stupid question: i have installed the sdk, how can i start it, there is no binary named mb2 in ~/SailfishOS09:21
thpAzog: probably have to ssh into the vm (the build one, not the emulator one)09:22
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tbrWaitee: nope, been there too09:23
Azogthp: how can i start the vm, i can't find such a option in qtcreator09:23
tbr*sigh* is there a way to restore app settings that were lost due to the 1.0.3.x update?09:23
thptbr: https://together.jolla.com/question/21842/09:23
tbrSGauth lost its tokens and that's kinda important for me right now09:23
tbrtnx09:24
thptbr: if that doesn't work, let me know09:24
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thpAzog: it's the build sdk. but chances are that if you can't ssh into the build vm, you will also have troubles migrating your data if (when) the on-disk data format breaks before the final release09:25
tbrthp: thanks, worked!09:27
Azogthp: i give it a try, maybe i find some bugs09:27
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wickwireHi guys, I've been going over the ToH SDK materials just released09:41
Stskeepsmm?09:42
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wickwireare you planning on having some sort of back-office management tools to work with the NFC IDs?09:42
wickwireI mean, as far as I could tell, at the moment, if I wish to link NFC tags to an app on the store, or an ambiance,09:42
wickwireI should just send you the ID list09:43
wickwirecorrect?09:43
Waiteesend who?09:43
Waiteewe're not working for jolla09:43
Stskeepswickwire: probably a good question for whatever contact email is in the ToH SDK :)09:43
ggabrielsend jolla09:43
wickwireAh ok ok - I thought that some jolla members also visited the channel09:44
wickwiremy bad09:44
wickwireI'll ask them then!09:44
ggabrielwickwire: you were working on that sports related app, right?09:44
ggabrielbut yeah, contact jolla directly as this is more the business side of things :)09:44
wickwireno no, I'm in Portugal, testing the jolla mobile09:44
wickwireand yesterday I submitted an app09:45
wickwireto the jolla store09:45
ggabrielah, sorry, confused your nick then09:45
wickwireand then I saw the ToH material09:45
ggabrieli'm thinking that so far all apps in the store are free anyway09:45
ggabrielso if you are willing to sell an app through an other half, you way need to wait09:46
ggabrieldunno09:46
Waiteei guess it's possible already to make an app on the store "invisible" and accessible through toh id09:46
vanadisoh hai09:46
vanadisInstalled .38 last weekend,if i now search for updates it still shows me that the .38-version is ready for download09:47
vanadisbasically the same as with the .25version09:47
Azogthp: gpodder works nice, the cover actions are very cool. if you are interested i can give you feedback after a bit of playing with it09:48
Waiteeshouldnt be too hard to implement since the ambiances that come with custom tohs are downloaded from the store but not accessible othervise09:48
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Waiteeon the topic about using toh to sell an app09:49
ggabrielWaitee: yup, but haven't seen how to do it for an app *shrug*09:49
wickwiremy app isn't approved yet, hopefully it will be soon09:49
wickwireok sorry I had to move away for a bit09:49
wickwireok so my app is free, I'm just a developer trying out the solution09:49
Waiteeggabriel: i think they are testing the concept with tohs at the moment09:49
wickwireand wanted to test it with ToH09:50
wickwirejust that09:50
wickwireno selling, mass producing, none of that09:50
Waiteeokay09:50
wickwireI only have one cover here which is tied to an ambience09:50
wickwireand I have like 4 tags09:50
wickwireNFC tags09:50
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ggabrielWaitee: yeah, hopefully coming soon as i want to buy an app :D09:51
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wickwireohhh ok so I can't have an app published on the store, visible that is, and at the same time, have an NFC tag to download it from the store?09:52
wickwireit's either one of the other...?09:52
ggabrielwickwire: ask jolla directly09:52
ggabrieli don't think that's documented09:52
ggabrielbut it isn't a bad idea09:53
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TeguI think there are jolla members here at least sometimes. but then again I guess contacting via email is better09:53
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ggabrielmy understanding is that jolla members are using their community personalities in this channel :)09:53
Teguah09:53
Nicd-community ambience09:53
Nicd-btw, was ambience spelled ambiance at some point in the early jolla teasers?09:54
Nicd-at least they pronounced it like that09:54
ggabrieli think it's pronounced like that ;-)09:54
wickwireggabriel: ok I will ask them then09:54
wickwirethanks for the help!09:54
ggabrielthat's how marc pronounced it anyway09:55
ggabrielnot sure it's strictly english tho09:55
msvis it only me or is .38 even more unstable with connections09:56
TheBootroodat phone is pissing me off these days09:57
TheBootroogoogle account disconnect too often, then still receive mail or connect chat but can't sent mail09:57
TheBootrooand if i want to re-auth, i have connection errors, and page stays white09:58
ggabrielmsv: so far, it's been ok for me09:58
TheBootrooi can't sent a simple mail from phone09:58
pp_https://together.jolla.com/question/24531/https-everywhere-support-in-browser/ :-)09:58
TheBootrooyeah .3.8 really unstable compared to previous one09:59
TheBootrooonly good things is landscape browser09:59
TheBootroomany accounts and 3G internet issues09:59
ggabrieli avoid google and i'm happy10:00
TheBootrooggabriel: issue with 3G connection is global not only google10:00
ggabriellike i said, haven't experienced any of those yet10:00
ggabrielbut i admit i have to test it more thoroughly [the latest update]10:01
TheBootrooi also have it in Browser, in Store, in Friends, etc10:01
ggabrielwlan is better in my case10:01
ggabrielas in - it doesn't switch back to 3g and stay there10:01
TheBootroowlan is only useful @home, so 20% of my day10:01
ggabrielyup, i must take the jolla out more often10:01
ggabrielstill not my main phone10:02
ggabrielpeeps wanted landscape more than caldav, so there you go10:02
msveven wlan seems more unstable after update10:02
ggabrielnot my case10:02
TheBootrooggabriel: caldav is important to me, and the most important : stable internet connection all the time10:02
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ggabrielTheBootroo: i guess i don't suffer so much because it isn't my main phone yet. caldav to me is a must :)10:03
Abby28 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6910:03
ggabriel /kick Abby2810:03
ggabriels/kick/kickban/10:03
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narchielol10:04
tachikomabattery went from 100% at 16:30 yesterday to 93% at 09:00 this morning.10:04
ggabrieli've just read what the spambot said with borat's accent10:04
tachikoma\o/10:04
ggabrieland i'm about to laugh10:04
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krigwlan is very unstable for me, and once it loses the connection it can't reconnect without a reboot of the phone10:06
narchieso it wasnt mitäkuuluu, there's a global 3g issue?10:06
tachikomamh, wlan works pretty well for me10:06
tachikomabut i use enterprise wpa, so configured it on commandline, no idea if that would make adifference10:07
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tachikomaany suggestions on how to test network stability?10:10
tachikomafor 3g/gsm i usually just listen to some mp3 stream, a network failure shows pretty clearly that way, but wlan?10:10
SpeedEviltachikoma: Voulunteer as a freenode IRC server.10:11
AcceSpeedEvil :D10:11
FireFlyLol10:11
FireFlyWouldn't MP3 stream work just as well for wifi?10:11
tachikomayeah, but i suspect that load also would be relevant there10:12
tachikomai now wget some image file in a loop and log if it timeouts or gets disrupted10:13
Accejust download some big file with wget and send it straigth to /dev/null as you dload it?10:13
tachikomadisk image i mean ;)10:13
tachikomathats what i do :)10:13
thpAzog: yes, feel free to10:14
ggabriel3g stability depends on the network too.... so you kinda need 2 phones10:14
ggabrielone that you trust and the jolla10:15
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tachikomaaaaand *boom*10:15
tachikomanetwork gone and a kernel trace in dmesg10:15
ggabrielwoohoo10:15
tachikomafrom a quick look, seems it failed while doing a scan10:16
tachikomaWARNING: at net/wireless/scan.c:590 ....10:16
ggabrieltachikoma: i'd create a meme for you if my  network wasn't so slow10:16
ggabrielnice thing to report tho10:17
ggabrielesp as you have the trace10:17
tachikomayes, where was the bugzilla again?10:17
ggabrieltogether.jolla.com :P10:17
tachikomawhat login did i have ... god  i need coffee10:18
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tachikomaok, trying to ssh via wlan into a device to copy and paste the oops that happened when the wlan connection broke is not really going to work, no matter how often i try ....10:20
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tachikomaso - i can submit a question there - does that also count as a bug repost?10:31
SpeedEvilThere is no publc bugtracker10:32
SpeedEvilyes10:32
SpeedEvil^separate10:33
Acceapparently, if you tag your question with "bug", someone from Jolla catches it10:33
tachikomaok, thank10:34
tachikomas10:34
Andy80is there a command to check last time jolla was unplugged from the charger?10:34
stephgAndy80 it'll probably be logged10:38
stephgyou can look at that with journalctl10:38
StskeepsAndy80: /var/lib/upower maybe10:39
Andy80thanks10:40
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tachikomaok, how the hell do i mark something to be a code block in my report10:46
tachikomathis markdown stuff is driving me nuts10:46
tachikomanevermind, html is understood10:47
tachikomamh, what is this community wiki option? I don;t get it10:53
sejoweird, when listening to my music through headphone jack while being connected to the car with bluetooth, incomming calls don't get to bluetooth, I need to remove the headphone jack first10:54
sejois that a know issue?10:54
tachikomamh, works for me with a bluetooth adaptor10:54
tachikomawell, until latest update, did not yet get a call since then10:55
tachikomahttp://www.welectronics.com/Bluetooth/JABRA_BT3030.HTML10:55
tachikomathat i use10:55
sejoyeah, so I play my music on the line in, and when receiving a call the music stops, but the person can't hear me and I can't hear them, untill I remove the headphone jack then it's sent to bluetooth10:56
sejotachikoma: I use the one in my car, it's honda10:56
sejoworked perfectly with android and other phones10:56
sejofirst time it doesn't work10:56
tachikomaah, so it does not connect to bluetooth but stays on the line plug?10:57
sejowell it's connected, the call audio is just not sent to the bluetooth10:57
sejonor to the line in10:57
tachikomabut then you should hear the other person via your car stereo ....10:57
sejono10:57
sejoI need to remove the jack, then it switches to the bluetooth stack10:57
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tachikomamh, weird, one would need some logs, preferable from pulseaudio to see what is going on10:58
sejotachikoma: yeah, just had it happening yesterday and today, so wanted to see first whether it's a known problem10:58
sejoalso when playing music and a notification comes in, it switches sound to the phone speakers and then back to the headphone jack10:59
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tachikomahttps://together.jolla.com/question/24562/sailfish-update-1038-wlan-connection-fails-with-a-kernel-warning-message/11:03
tachikomaTheBootroo: if you have similar in dmesg, please add some comment11:03
TheBootrootachikoma: i don't have issues in WLAN11:03
tachikomasejo: sounds weird, I'd look at pulseaudio, that usually handles this kind of audio routing11:03
TheBootrooonly 3G11:03
tachikomaTheBootroo: ok, someone here said he had, whoeever it was, feel free to add you config and problem description11:04
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rangoyHow do i get rid of these ** birthday notifications?11:07
rangoyi've disabled sound notifications for calendar events and disabled notification sound11:10
rangoyeven then, it starts ringing loud ad 120011:10
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rangoyOnly me?11:13
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FireFlyI haven't added any birthdates for contacts, so I duno11:15
FireFly+n11:15
tachikomaI received a badge "popular question" ... wtf11:17
tachikomasame here, sorry11:17
tachikomasomehow a real bugzilla works better for me11:19
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AL13N_worktachikoma: Stskeeps: Aard: https://together.jolla.com/question/24577/wlan-connman-ui-needs-some-love/11:27
tachikomaAL13N_work: ah, will try if the scan does trigger a reconnecct immediatly when it failed11:29
AL13N_worki have no such dmesg, btw11:29
AL13N_workbut it did disconnect again11:29
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AL13N_workand i need to do "iw dev wlan0 scan" to get it back connected again11:30
Sail0rlol was not so wise to leak the black wallpaper ^^11:30
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tachikoma?11:31
tachikomaAL13N_work: I'm just looping through wgeting a 4gb image, should fail again soon enough, then I'll try to scan11:31
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AL13N_workheh11:32
AL13N_worktachikoma: btw: do you have the weird wlan buffer issue as well?11:33
Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/TheJollaBlog_11:33
AL13N_worktachikoma: have you tried pinging someone and see the results? the req sequence numbers are often reversed11:33
Sail0rbut he deleted his posts11:33
tachikomaAL13N_work: did not check that yet, but have to go for lunch now, will try later when i got time11:34
tachikomaso, a wallpaper - is just some png/jpg/whatever, right?11:35
AL13N_workappearantly it has keira black on it11:35
tachikomawhuich doesn't ring any bell here11:36
* AL13N_work neither11:37
chem|sttachikoma: you might want to leave things as normal question on together.jc as you build no karma with wiki entries11:37
chem|stand only higher ranked people may edit it11:37
AL13N_workhaha, yes, that's true11:37
TMavicathere is many bugs about chinese word.11:38
Andy80Stskeeps, I gave a look at /var/lib/upower but those numbers are unknown to me... I can't understand if I can read a date/time from that...11:38
chem|sttachikoma: reproduced... what I had yesterday is that connman got hung to a point where it crashed the settings right with it - leaving a PEAP area into EDGE into WPA2 had me stuck in a mobileconnection state with an '!' on the icon11:39
StskeepsAndy80: isn't it like unix timestamps11:39
TMavicastskeeps any progress about chinese input?11:39
Andy80Stskeeps, oh... right.. it could be infact. I just need to convert those numbers then :)11:40
StskeepsTMavica: no, sorry - didn't find time to dig further into it11:40
TMavicaOo11:40
StskeepsTMavica: was at FOSDEM all weekend and then meetings rest of time11:41
TMavicaok11:41
TMavicaby the way, I raised bugs report in together11:41
Andy80Stskeeps, converted Sat, 01 Feb 2014 00:24:30 GMT was at 99% and now it's at 66% :) (sometimes connected to wifi, sometimes not, no SIM inside)11:42
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Andy80not bad as standby :)11:42
tachikomachem|st: what do i need karma for?11:43
rangoytachikoma: downvote?11:43
tachikomai understood that if i put it on the wiki so others can edit it which sounds useful to me11:43
tachikomai don;t vote on bugs, at least never did and do't really bother to do that now11:44
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AL13N_worktachikoma: regular questions can be edited by higher ranked ppl anyway, and most often people will post such things as answers11:47
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tachikomaok, the explanation sounded like only if the checkbox is enabled it can be edited11:47
tachikomaso that was unclear to me11:47
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AL13N_worktachikoma: you could also help out others to answer on their questions, you'll gather some karma11:47
AL13N_worktachikoma: yeah, the same for me in the beginning11:48
AL13N_workand i've never seen people actually edit a wiki question anyway11:48
tachikomayeah, just im  at work and have to do other stuff as well ;)11:48
AL13N_workas am i :-)11:48
AL13N_workjust a bit during lunch break11:48
tachikomajust wondering, is that the background image: http://jolla.com/assets/bg1.jpg ?11:49
tachikomathis keira thing?11:49
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Dima^seems to be11:50
AL13N_workhaha, some dude is called aegis11:51
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kehnoopulled that picture, resized and threw it to jolla, works okay as ambience :)11:54
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Sail0rmaybe they should start a store for ambiences11:55
Sail0r2 euros for the wallpapers or so11:55
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AL13N_workwell, technically, you should be able to make such an "app"11:58
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Teguback to the time when you could order logos or standby pictures via SMS. there were some catalog ads on newspapers or magazines :D12:00
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kehnooI just need the ring tone so I would have full Keira kit :p12:01
chem|sttachikoma: I vote on bugs so the reporter gets karma if he is no karma whore12:02
chem|sttachikoma: you need a specific amount of karma to do things, like editing wiki entries you need 75 karma...12:03
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Dima^AL13N_work: Jolla provides an ambient template. So anyone can make ambients :)12:07
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AL13N_workDima^: that doesn't mean people couldn't put it in rpms and submit to harbour, right :-)12:12
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entildamn I don't have time to go too deep into this, but since the last update, I'm getting "Problem with connection" errors12:15
entilthe phone heats up a lot, probably where the nfc would be12:15
entiland the battery drains like crazy and the settings app goes unresponsive a lot12:16
Dima^There is no sense if these ambients can be only with toh12:17
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tomcat_berlinhi all. i have battery problems with my jolla. from time to time it turns off for no reason, in the middle of a phone call, when starting apps, ... Battery was >80% charged (it said). is this the right place to ask for help?12:21
fluxtomcat_berlin, I've seen that topic on together.jolla.com, it had some suggestions12:22
Dima^tomcat_berlin: I had it too.. after putting a foil this problem was gone12:22
veksunewset update?12:22
tomcat_berlinyes12:22
veksunewest?12:23
tomcat_berlin1.0.3.812:23
Dima^Ant ist also seems to be gone after newest update12:23
veksuhmh12:23
fluxI think the theme on the discussion was that bad 2g connectivity could be a factor12:23
veksumy phone came back to service because shutdown wiht 1.0.2.5 and going to boot loop12:23
tomcat_berlini read sth about battery drain, but not "instant shutoff"12:23
veksuthey restore 1.02.5 and change battery12:23
fluxtomcat_berlin, it's there :)12:23
pp_tomcat_berlin: saw a recommendation to take battery out for 10 mins and so far I've not had problems (but it's only been 12 hours or so :-) )12:24
fluxtomcat_berlin, https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/12:24
tomcat_berlinflux: cool, i'll have a look12:25
tomcat_berlinthanks!12:25
veksusomeone restore factory settings thats may help12:26
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Dima^I try now to take a tin foil off.. let see what will happend12:26
veksuits works ok :) at 1.0.3.812:27
veksuyesterday 6 am to 10pm about 50% drain12:27
veksuabout normal use for me12:28
tomcat_berlini'll try the trick to take the battery out for 10min and see. i'll come back to this topic in case it doesn't help.12:31
tomcat_berlin(@work at the moment, so i shouldn't factory reset right now ;) )12:32
pp_yea, it certainly can't hurt (had it fully loaded first, but that wasn't in the original tip)12:32
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Dima^before last update factory reset didn't help. But tinfoil did a magic :)12:33
chem|stcan some of you who not already voted get the data-tracking-whore-feature https://together.jolla.com/question/1198/agps-lets-mobile-data-become-active-even-when-connected-to-wifi/ voted on pls12:35
chem|stI'd like to use gps without being a data whore12:36
tobiskiveksu: not for me, yesterday my battery drained to 5% in 12 hours12:36
jubo2I can't belive the OS does not have "drafts" folder so I keep on losing for trying to activate the zooming cursor focus thing and manage to flip to the next screen12:36
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tobiskitoday I have stopped the tohd.service and currently 91% remaining after 7 hours12:36
chem|stthis is the settings for https://together.jolla.com/question/2166/location-settings/12:37
tobiskiit seems like the update didn't effect my battery usage in any way :&12:37
veksutobiski, and you have 1.0.3.8 ?12:37
tobiskiyes12:37
tobiskibefore the update I had tohd.service masked and stopped. Then I did the update and after that I unmasked and started tohd.service12:38
veksumine works ok now, before last update i stop tohd.service12:38
veksubut now its running12:38
tobiskimine went down to 5% in 12 hours :|12:39
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veksunow 6am to almost 3pm about 9hour 75% left12:39
tobiskiI got about 7 hours of usage and 91% left, but that's with tohd.service stopped12:40
tobiskineed to start the tohd.service again after I rechagre my phone and see what the results are then12:40
ottuloI had 55% about 12h ago, now at 46%12:40
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ottuloand I haven't stopped tohd.service12:40
jubo2what's up with the abolition of the concept of "folders" for incoming sms and sent sms ?12:41
jubo2and "folders" for incoming, outgoing and missed calls12:42
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jubo2and most importantly, the "drafts"-folder for the damn SMS12:43
jubo2the "no button" approach is ambitious but the UX could be better, much better12:44
jubo2So is white TOH an NFC transponder or does it use some distinct technology to read ?12:45
YanielI don't really use sms drafts12:45
jussiStskeeps: so, the brother in laws problem about the restarting is now fixed, although he is having issues with dropped calls now - I suppose you know nothign about this ?:D12:45
Yanielbut when I do one is enough, which works atm12:45
Yanieljust don't hit send12:45
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jubo2Yaniel: the problem is accidentally swiping the screen and unable to return12:46
tobiskidrafts for sms? for emails sure, but sms?12:46
jubo2I've lost like 4 sms12:46
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jubo2'es so far12:47
Yanielwhat are you writing, a diary? :D12:47
Yanielbut okay, people have different needs12:47
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jubo2Yaniel: I don't see any need to break the normal logic of inwards is left -> swipe right and outwards is right -> swipe left12:50
jubo2that way the navigation would be back to normal and natural12:50
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jubo2the leaves contain the activation keys and the menu is the tree12:51
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tachikomaso - maybe a stupid question - but how do i alter the stl/stp files for toh12:58
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Plnttachikoma: you can open them in blender13:00
Plnttachikoma: or in text editor ;)13:00
tachikomayeah, I did look at http://reprap.org/wiki/Useful_Software_Packages#QCAD13:00
tachikomablender would not have been my primary choice13:00
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shanttuI'm trying to get my contacts from n9 to jolla. any idea why making multiple .vcf to one using "cat *.vcf > all_contacts.vcf" gives error "cat: invalid option -- '6'"?13:21
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Plntshanttu: don't you have some directories in the folder with the vcf files?13:22
Plntshanttu: also i would do sth like cat *.vcf > ../all_contacts.vcf13:22
Plntshanttu: or at least don't add the vcf suffix there13:22
joonahoi* should extract the value in bash before creating the resulting all_contacts.vcf13:22
Plntah, yeah.. right13:23
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shanttuPlnt, no directoríes, just .vcf files. Still same error with cat *.vcf > ../all_contacts.vcf13:23
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Plntshanttu: in that case.. don't you have some special characters in the filenames?13:24
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Pnuuspaces?13:24
Plntyeah, sth like that13:24
Pnuu"6 names.vcf"13:24
shanttudamn, it made a file even if it gives the error message. I'll see if that works13:25
Yanielnope13:25
Yanielor partially if you are lucky13:25
shanttuthere are special characters on names, ä and ö13:26
joonahoibut no "6" in filename anywhere?13:27
joonahoifind . -name '*6*'13:27
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joonahoii think you'll find your problem with that command13:28
Yanielspaces are likely to be the real culprit13:28
joonahoiyeah, but bash * expansion should escape them correctly13:28
joonahoiand i agree that the problem must be in file called "something -6.vcf"13:29
joonahoias cat sees "6" as an option13:29
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Wntwould something like this help: for i in *.vcf; do cat "$i" >> "../all_contacts.vcf"; done;13:32
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shanttuWnt, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'13:32
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joonahoishanttu: that syntax should be correct tbh13:34
chem|sttobiski last charge 2am down to 91% after 12.5h13:35
Wntshanttu: can you transfer the files to a normal Linux machine and try running the commands there?13:35
shanttuWnt, I'm already using PC running Ubuntu13:36
salami`cat *.vcf >> ../foo.vcf?13:36
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chem|sttobiski: drafts for sms? it should just stay in the inputfield instead of being erased! was so on N9, found a birthday wish not being sent a year later...13:37
shanttuI took my contacts from google (vcard) and opened the file using file manager. Seems to work, but got all addresses ever I sent mail to. Very nice13:38
shanttusalami`, same error13:38
salami`eh13:39
joonahoiWnt's suggestion should be correct, are you sure you didn't make a typo along the way?13:40
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Plntshanttu: did you tried to look for the files with "6" in the filename"13:41
shanttujoonahoi, used copy - paste. It seems there IS a directory, contacts from facebook13:44
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jubo2hmz.. no irc client13:46
jubo2Is there a list of Jolla tutorial videos out there btw ?13:46
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EztranLike, Jolla's own ones, or general videos?13:47
jubo2I dunno13:47
jubo2Jolla's own ones ?13:47
sjtoikjubo2: there is one client on the wild and you always have the command line with ssh preinstalled...13:47
jubo2sjtoik: so I could install screen and irssi .. hmmz..13:48
Eztranhttp://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos13:48
jubo2Eztran: tnx13:48
tachikomamh, the stl files for the other half are strange13:48
Yanielcommuni-sailfish is going to store any time soon13:48
tachikomacan't import them anywhere but openscad, and there they are only displayed, no way to edit them13:49
Yaniel(irc client)13:49
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tachikomamh, blender can import them, but what i get then has nothing to do with the other half, at least nothing with what was displayed/rendered in openscad13:52
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Wnttachikoma: both stl files were imported succesfully in my Blender14:00
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shanttuThanks for your help. The issue was the facebook directory,14:02
tachikomaWnt: mh, that did also show no error, but what blender then displays me  does not look anything like the other half14:02
tachikomait looks more like a racetrack ...14:02
Plnttachikoma: when i import it to blender it's just too zoomed in. try to zoom out a bit14:02
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tachikomanah, that is not it14:03
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tachikomaPlnt: this is what i see: http://imagebin.org/29109514:08
tachikomaanyway, will try more later on14:08
Plnttachikoma: oh.. that's something ocmpletely different14:09
Plnttachikoma: which blender version are you using?14:09
Plnttachikoma: i'm using blender 2.6314:09
tachikomalender 2.6714:09
tachikomamh, i guess i'll downgrade than14:09
tachikomathen14:09
Wnttachikoma: you opened the file via File -> Import?14:10
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tachikomayes14:11
Wntthis is what I got: http://upload.egarden.fi/TOH_Blender.png14:11
Plntyep, same here14:11
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Wntalso tried editing the model (made usb connector slor smaller)14:11
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Nicd-bah14:14
Nicd-uptime reset :( yet another shutdown14:14
Nicd-trying the "remove battery for 10 minutes" trick14:14
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Pnuuyes, keepass client!15:31
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skvarkthat official TOH model is pretty hard to 3D print15:58
Sail0rwhy?15:59
skvarkit's curved15:59
Yanielyet so sharp16:00
skvarknot much but enough to make printing hard16:00
skvarkprobably have to modify the backside flat16:01
skvarkand imho it's a bit too thick, it doesn't need to be16:02
Plntskvark: maybe try this one (not official) .. https://github.com/skvark/TheOtherHalf , http://relativity.fi/jolla_toh/16:03
skvarkyeah :D16:03
skvarkI made those ^^16:03
mikmalol?16:03
Plnth16:03
Plntah16:03
Plntoh16:03
mikmayeah, see the url lol16:03
Plntmy bad :D16:04
mikmayou are funny!16:04
Plntjust saw your nickname :))))))16:04
skvark:D16:04
* Plnt needs to close his notebook today and go home to get some rest :D16:04
Sail0rlol16:05
skvarkabout 0,3-0,4 mm can be removed and it'll still be sturdy enough16:05
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skvarkhopefully my app will accepted to the store this week16:09
skvarkwill be*16:09
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jmlichHi, I was going to make a phone call and all my contacts lost! http://pastebin.com/9hwbREYc17:06
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Nokiusdid anyone print the Jolla 3d toh?17:32
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tj____hmm not good.. i started updating to 1.0.3.8 a couple of days ago and forgot the whole thing. update download was stalled, progressbar was at about 95% when i woke up the phone a few minutes ago. i thought it's a good idea to reboot the phone and retry update. now it's stuck at boot logo. tried removing battery also17:38
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ggabrieltj____: somefolks say that removing batery for 10 minutes helped17:41
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ggabrielotherwise you'll have to do a factory recovery (you lose all data)17:41
KabouikMy Jolla screen is locked, and the led blinks quickly, green light. No way to unlock the screen.17:42
KabouikI'm going to hard reboot, but anyone knows what it means?17:42
KabouikHi there by the way! :]17:42
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Yanielgreen blinking led means missed call17:43
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KabouikQuick blinking? It's really fast here17:43
Yanielroughly how fast?17:43
tj____ggabriel, i think the battery was off for more than 10 mins.. i'll try this https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-version-1025-maadajavri/#details if needed17:43
KabouikI'd say more than 5-6 lights in one sec17:44
KabouikPerhaps more17:44
ggabrielKabouik: maybe it's stuck17:44
ggabriellong press power button?17:44
KabouikIt is, I'm going to hard reboot anyway17:44
tj____ggabriel, no important data and if backups are on sd, settings could be restored too17:45
ggabrieltj____: cool, you can always revert to factory settings and you'll be sorted17:45
KabouikHard rebooted. By the way, droped the Jolla once more while in a meeting today, it fell from my pocket. :'(17:45
ggabrielis that even possible? :)17:46
KabouikI think it fell three or four times already. No scratches, but the two bottom vertices on the Jolla side are slightly crushed now :'(17:46
KabouikSlightly though.17:47
ggabrielshame17:47
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tj____any idea if that issue with update is known/sorted if it a well known thing?17:47
ggabrieltj____: i upgraded flowlessly17:47
ggabrielflow? flaw :)17:48
tj____i mean root cause17:48
ggabrieli have no clue17:48
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TMavicaKabouik i ever have this problem17:54
TMavicaled keep flashing in green, I off and on device to fix.17:55
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tango_has this http://vimeo.com/85914466 been shared here? Querty OH 218:12
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shanttuit looks awesome18:13
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Sail0rdamnit i should spent the 100 euros18:15
Sail0rbut it don't like the screws ^^18:15
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ggabrielhehe, well, it's made in the bedroom, just like you, right? :)18:16
tango_Sail0r: well, consider that this is a home-made prototype18:16
Sail0rI know :)18:16
tango_you can't reall expect the design to be _too_ sophisticated 8-)18:16
* ggabriel unsure that everybody is made in the bedroom :P18:16
Accehe's done amazing job18:16
Sail0rit was not i hate it because of the screws18:16
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tango__my_ complaint is that the keyboard is a little small18:16
Sail0rbut i don't like it with the white color18:16
tango_ggabriel: well, some might have been made in the kitchen, or in a car or who knows where ;-)18:17
Sail0ri think black would be better :)18:17
ggabrielyup, could be bigger if the camera is hidden anyway18:17
tango_white color is horribe, true18:17
AcceI wonder if he designed that sliding / tilting mechanism by himself18:17
Sail0rand the work is awesome :)18:17
ggabrielAcce: there has been _plenty_ of discussion18:17
tango_ggabriel: well, even just a few extra mm to the left and top could be gained, maybe?18:17
tango_without covering the camera18:17
ggabrieltango_: the camera is covered by the pcb18:17
tango_yes18:18
ggabrielyou have to open the keyboard to take a photo18:18
Acceggabriel: plenty of discussion? in TMO?18:18
ggabrielAcce: yup18:18
tango_ggabriel: I know18:18
ggabriellike, it was truly collaborative18:18
tango_(I don't like _that_ either, btw)18:18
ggabrielyeah, don't like the camera to be covered18:18
ggabrielbut i dunno18:18
ggabrielnot a major complaint18:18
Sail0rhttp://i.imgur.com/jMYGijl.jpg18:18
Sail0r:)18:18
Sail0ri liked that much more18:19
Sail0rbut it's an awesome start what he did18:19
skvarkNokius: I tried but it's a bit hard to print without modifications18:19
ggabrielthat one doesn't exist tho]18:19
ggabrielthen again, it can't be too big18:19
Nokiusskvark: okay, what 3D printer did you use?18:19
skvarkNokius: Tinkerine Studio's Litto18:20
Nokiusskvark: did it fit better than your model (you are one of the guys work on an open CAD model on github riht?)18:22
Acceuhh, is there a search function for a thread in TMO?18:22
AcceI mean, inside the thread18:22
Nokiusskvark: so you use an professional printer18:22
skvarkNokius: well the another print which I did not abort was a bit messy18:24
skvarkbut no, it not fit well18:24
skvarkmostly because I didn't use support material18:24
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skvarkit did not fit*18:24
skvarkI don't think that my printer qualifies as a professional printer :D18:25
skvarkit's based on reprap stuff18:26
Nokiusskvark: okay mh … just check 3D printserivces around my area and had the Idea to print my on toh but now it sounds like I have to step a way from this18:26
Nokiusokay!?18:26
Nokiusdamn expensive one :D18:26
skvarkone of the cheapest out there :D18:26
Nokius999€ for Reprap okay18:27
Nokiusyeah Reprap buliding an Reprap is cheaper if u only have to pay the matirial18:27
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skvarkthe electronics/arduino side is from the reprap18:28
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skvarkand it was 999 dollars, less in euros :D18:29
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NokiusThe print shop in Berlin has Repman Z-printer and Maker Bot may one of this printer is good enough18:31
skvarkNokius: I think 3D printing services will make the official model almost 1:1 with the model -> should fit well18:31
tango_does the toh sdk also come with a 3d printing model?18:32
skvarkand for my printer I just have to modify that model so that the bottom isn't curved18:32
skvarktango_: yes18:32
tango_coolacious18:32
* tango_ is loving this jolla thing18:32
Nokiusskvark: okay looks like the print serivce is a kind of hacksapce with prinitng service may the guys have a bit of experience :D18:33
skvarkbut someone should sacrifice him/herself and order one from shapeways (or from some another service) :D18:34
skvarkprinted in titanium :P18:34
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Nokius:D But I dont know if its legel to use such a service the Licence is a bit .....18:37
skvarkI'll be using my own models for now, far more faster to prototype with them18:38
Nokiusskvark: I realy like your blue/glossy print18:38
skvarkprints one in half an hour18:38
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skvarkI have clear PLA coming :)18:38
Nokiusskvark: is it fiting or is WIP needed18:39
skvarknext week18:39
Nokius:O18:39
skvarkthere's small errors18:39
Nokiuswhat license do u use for your Version?18:39
skvarklike 0,2-0,4 mm18:39
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skvarkthe model is in github18:40
NokiusWPL :D18:40
skvarkbasically in puplic domain18:40
skvarkbut the license is do what the fuck you want to public license :D18:41
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Nokiusso easy to work with your model than withe official :D18:45
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* plfiorini just ordered a jolla phone!18:47
skvarkyeah I do enough closed source for work, have to compensate :D18:47
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Nokius^^18:47
Sail0rwith keira black @ plfiorini?18:48
plfioriniSail0r, nope plain jolla18:49
Sail0rok18:49
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Nokiusskvark: yeah the screenprotect foil i made is a bit restrict … but I try to stop people to take it and make money with it not sure if its a good decision18:51
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faenil_plfiorini, woohoo! :)18:52
plfiorinifaenil_, :P18:52
faenil_plfiorini, ETA to see Hawaii on it? :D18:52
plfiorinifaenil_, now the problem is to wait 2 to 3 weeks18:52
faenil_I can imagine :p18:52
plfiorinifaenil_, > 2 or 3 weeks18:52
plfiorini:D18:52
plfiorinifaenil_, but recently i've been playing around with mer (x86, x86-64 adaptation for now)18:53
faenil_good :)18:54
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vgradeplfiorini: good choice18:56
skvarkNokius: yeah18:56
vgradefaenil_: \o18:56
faenil_vgrade, o/ how was the car trip?18:57
vgradefaenil_: good , was home 11:5918:57
vgrade23:5918:57
plfiorinivgrade, my first smartphone was supposed to be N9 but i never bought it, so i had to buy this one :)18:57
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vgradeplfiorini: someone mentioned recently it olny took 6 days for delivery19:00
plfiorinivgrade, cool19:00
Quudepends on stocks and where you live19:00
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skvarkNokius: I'll put soon (in 2 weeks probably) new model(s) up, gonna make at least a Power Half19:01
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Nokiusskvark: okay I will try to find some one how will print a nice blue or translucent toh :D19:03
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Nokiusskvark: Powerhalf cares extra battery?19:04
narchiewow I'm a twitter celebrity19:04
narchietwitted aboujt tweetian19:04
narchieisntant 3 rt19:04
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skvarkNokius: yes, 2000 mAh19:04
Nokius:d19:05
Nokius:D19:05
skvarkI'm expecting about ~5 mm increase in thickness in the middle of the TOH19:05
skvarkbut the uptime will be awesome :D19:06
attahbut we already have 2-4x better battery life than competitors.. what would one use it for.. trips to the wilderness?19:07
Nokiusskvark:  will try to get my hands on a few iQ pads in two weeks in Shenzean  and will than add it to may jolla if I read it right on tmo is needed to change abit of toh ...19:07
skvarkyeah, something like that19:07
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FireFlyI don't really like how in the OH poll some people were all "let's combine all of them into one super-OH"19:07
attahok.. sounds reasonable.. i'd carry an extra battery.. but i guess it's nice ti have a single unit too19:08
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skvarkattah: it will serve as an extra battery, when the battery runs low Power OH can be attached and the phone will be charged back to 100% (or almost)19:10
tango_FireFly: I like that19:10
tango_FireFly: a qwerty TOH with an extra battery and solar charger19:10
FireFlyBut I don't need an extra battery, it just adds unnecessary weight for me19:11
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attahskvark: okay.. i thought it was supposed to be attached for the duration of the need.. but *that* is nice.. I have an external battery with a micro usb.. and using the phone while that is connected is pretty annoying19:12
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FireFlyThe solar charger might not be comfortable to hold, in which case I'd probably rather go with just a plain keyboard, as cool as the solar panel idea is19:12
attahFireFly: that's what i thought too.. but if wilderness charging comes in something that attaches, that's different19:12
FireFlyattah: sure, but what I'm saying is bolting it all into one thing isn't the way to go :p19:13
skvarkattah: yes, but it can be connected all the time if one wants to.. I'll probably add physical switch for enabling/disabling it19:13
attahokok19:13
skvark:)19:13
skvarkand there will be also microusb port for charging the power half itself19:15
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Nokiusguys i out cu19:19
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SpeedEvilA solar charger is broadly a terrible idea.19:25
SpeedEvilIt encourages people to leave thephone in the sun.19:25
SpeedEvilWhere it will get way, way too hot - destroying battery life.19:25
SpeedEvil(in many cases)19:26
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AcceI thought the idea of the solar panel was that it would charge the battery by the light from your house lights, not much but a little, making the chargin interval longer. But since it says "Solar" some people might leave it in the sun19:29
SpeedEvilIt's basically useless like that.19:30
SpeedEvilThe sun is around 130000lm/mT^219:30
SpeedEvillm/m^219:30
SpeedEvilTypical house lighting is more like 50-10019:30
skvarkit has to pretty damn good panel if you wan't to get power from the house lights19:30
SpeedEvilFull sun over the back of the phone wil charge it in perhaps in principle 4 hours.19:31
SpeedEvilOffice lighting it won't really even help with standby drain.19:31
Accehmm19:32
skvarkor basically but the phone just under the lamp which in my case gave about 50 mA of current19:32
skvarkJolla drains about 100 mA in idle19:32
Acceok, so it was skvarks post I read before19:32
SpeedEvilskvark: that's worst-case.19:33
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Accebut I didn't know the standby current is so big19:33
SpeedEvilskvark: it's more like 10mA or so, if it's sleeping properly19:33
Stskeepsskvark: err. what kind of idle19:33
skvarkwell I maybe had some software running :D19:33
SpeedEvilPerhaps even a bit less than that.19:33
skvarkscreen on etc.19:33
FireFlyskvark: "just under the lamp" meaning the lamp is only a few cm above the panel?19:34
skvarkFireFly: yes19:34
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skvark5-10 cm or so19:34
FireFlyIn that case you've basically replaced the charger with a much more inefficient one? :p19:34
skvarkyeah :D19:34
Accewell, it could have it's uses, if you had a lamp in good position, like prolonging standby time (if standby current ~10 mA when screen is off)19:35
sremesbut how much cooler is the lamp as a charger?19:35
Quuits way hotter.19:35
Quubecause they heat.19:35
Accebut using whole back off your phone just for that, not very interesting for me19:35
sremesnot to take that literally :)19:35
Accemaybe you could make a laser charger19:36
Accelike the ones they're planning to transmit power from Earth's orbit :p19:36
FireFlyHm.19:36
SpeedEvilaser chargers would have the unfortunate property of also blinding people if things went wrong19:36
skvarkthe photovoltaic cell performance decreases when it gets hotter19:36
Acceand maybe burn marks on your table19:37
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FireFlyWhat exactly is lipstick? the home menu/"desktop environment"?19:38
Acceok, then a green house TOH, which burns the sugars created by plants to generate power19:38
* pahartik was just looking at add-on Qi induction receivers at IT local superstore19:41
HarhaanJohtajahttp://www.mediatek.com/_en/03_news/01-2_newsDetail.php?sn=113219:41
Nicd-FireFly: afaik yes19:42
Nicd-FireFly: the latter I think19:42
QuuStskeeps: you there?19:42
shanttudoes the same command for replacing hosts file i used on N9 work also for Jolla? it was so easy19:43
shanttu"wget -O ~/hosts http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt && echo "127.0.0.1" $(uname -n) "localhost" > /etc/hosts && tr -d '\015' < ~/hosts >> /etc/hosts"19:43
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pahartikshanttu: "Sailfish Linux" has "curl", no "wget"19:45
StskeepsQuu: sortof19:46
StskeepsQuu: bit tired19:46
QuuStskeeps: could you maybe please ban the abby-thing posting porn-urls?19:47
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* SpeedEvil wishes mediatek would actually publish docs for things.19:49
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Quu\o/19:49
Quuhurray19:49
SpeedEvilhttp://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=132084219:49
shanttuinstalled wget already. is the command ok to use?19:49
Nicd-does anyone have any idea why jolla reports total ram as being 812.21 MB btw?19:49
StskeepsNicd-: a large part goes into modem/gpu/dsp19:49
Stskeepsit's all fairly sane19:49
Nicd-is kernel space removed from that number too?19:50
Stskeepsi've seen the layout19:50
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StskeepsSpeedEvil: worst situation is when there's public docs for something19:50
StskeepsSpeedEvil: but it's all written in chinese.19:50
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Nicd-also, when dividing memory amounts to sane numbers, should I use MB or MiB? :P19:50
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RaYmAnStskeeps: chinese docs are better than no docs tbh :P At least you might find someone who speaks chinese to translate the important bits19:52
Sail0rmaybe we should use this laser for solar TOH ;) http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/january/140128-mst-lockheed-martin-demonstrates-weapons-grade-high-power-fiber-laser.html19:52
RaYmAnSpeedEvil: even their "full" source for android that they give to manufacturers has tons of precompiled .o or .a :(19:54
pahartikshanttu: "/etc/hosts" also has "::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6" by default19:54
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SpeedEvilStskeeps: that's not good, no19:54
SpeedEvilI was thinking it'd be at least several years before someone got a linux box on an IC.19:54
SpeedEvilAnd that chip could in principle do it. (if it's a good idea is another question)19:55
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clauhttp://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/edison.html21:37
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clau"Discover the Intel® Edison development board, a tiny, ultra-power-efficient development platform the size of an SD* card [...]"21:39
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clauor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Edison21:40
Acceclau: reminds me of this: http://haxit.blogspot.ch/2013/08/hacking-transcend-wifi-sd-cards.html21:43
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clauAssuming that the normal SD interface will be presented to other devices, Edison could be used to encrypt saved files on the fly, say, on your camera.21:47
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Acceyep21:47
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Acceit could also be used as an extension module for your laptop, fitting in the SD card slot21:48
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claudefinitely21:48
Acceor you could give WiFi to RasPi21:48
clauyeah, now that you mention it I'm really pissed that my RasPi doesn't even have Wifi :)21:48
Acceor you could give wifi to pretty much anything :D21:48
Accejust depends, how much is that thing gonna cost21:49
clauhopefully I won't have to sell a kidney to get it.21:49
Acce;D21:49
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Accewe could also put it into our Jollas21:50
Acceand TOH's21:50
Acceto give additional computing power or what ever21:50
Acce400 MHz GPU?21:50
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Accebetter than nothing, maybe21:50
AcceI wonder how much this thing is going to have RAM21:51
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claumake a toh with several edisons on it :D21:52
AcceI really hope this is going to be affordable.. it has so many possibilities21:52
claudamn.21:53
Accecluster computing TOH :D21:53
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clauwhere do I sign to get access to such a beast? :D21:54
skvarkit would be probably possible to do a camera TOH and use edison to process the images and send then to Jolla via Bluetooth21:55
AcceHmm, the SD card interface is probably much faster than the i2c21:55
Acceah, but this is not microSD21:55
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Accebut maybe you could wire the microSD interface to the TOH21:56
Acceand use it simply by writing files21:56
Acceas an interface to TOH21:56
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clauI am seriously interested in playing with such a toy. I'm a SW guy though, so I hope someone with HW inclinations will look into putting TOH together.21:56
Accewell21:56
clauAcce, I expect it to be possible.21:56
skvarkI had a Intel Galileo board at my hands for a week or so, it was interesting too but a bit too big :)21:57
clauafter all I have microsd to USB adapter, the size of a very small memory stick.21:57
Accewe could make a "development TOH" with several sensors, buttons and stuff installed21:57
Accemaybe an additional display too21:57
Accein fashion of microcontroller dev boards21:57
claualso, there are dumb adapter from microsd to SD, I think21:57
Acceclau: yep21:57
claulemme search for that21:57
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Accejust wiring21:57
clauwell, if you know already, I won't search for that :)21:58
clauyeah21:58
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clausd-to-usb is more than just wiring, but micro to normal should be really simple.21:58
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YanielAcce: I wonder if you could boot a rpi from such a wifi card21:59
Accemaybe a piece of Printed board circuit, which has pins for each line of microSD and fits to the microSD slot.. would be nice additional interface21:59
Yanielthen you could have a linux pc inside your linux pc21:59
AcceYaniel: :D21:59
clauYaniel, if it offers the SD interface, certainly.21:59
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clauyou could do a load of tricks with it22:00
claudamn. now I know what I want for my birthday ;)22:01
Acceit's the typical Xibit phenomenon22:01
AcceI need infinite supply of money, so I can just test these crazy ideas22:02
Acceinstead of having a job D:22:03
clautell me about it.22:03
Accewish it was my job to do stuff like this22:04
claueveryone would hate you then :).22:05
Acce:D22:05
AcceI guess there are several guys at Jolla who just do this kind of prototyping22:05
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clautime to go, good night everyone22:13
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Accegood nite, I'll hit the hay too22:13
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