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chem|st | bennypr0fane: currently only bulk deletion | 00:32 |
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bennypr0fane | chem|st: thanks, just saw there's already a thread on tjc: https://together.jolla.com/question/1474/sharing-multiple-files-at-once-with-bluetoothemailfacebook/ | 00:34 |
bennypr0fane | please vote! | 00:34 |
ottulo | voted! | 00:35 |
ottulo | did anyone try the new file browser from openrepos? | 00:36 |
chem|st | ottulo: which? | 00:36 |
ottulo | Filetug | 00:36 |
chem|st | nope | 00:36 |
Dima^ | oh my.. android camera in jolla! | 00:36 |
ottulo | it seems good, especially the ability to finally read plain text files | 00:36 |
chem|st | I rather deactivate all repos again and remain silent and wait for merOBS | 00:37 |
ottulo | selecting/copying text would be a nice addition... | 00:37 |
ottulo | but, I had a problem when opening an image - I could not go back | 00:37 |
ottulo | only zoom in/out and pan | 00:37 |
ottulo | well, if nobody else tried it I guess I'll get to bed | 00:38 |
chem|st | there is no QA on openrepos... | 00:38 |
ottulo | yeah, just wondering if anyone else noticed it | 00:38 |
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ottulo | might leave a comment after trying when exactly it happens, as there seems to be a difference between png and jpg at least | 00:39 |
ottulo | anyway, off -> | 00:39 |
pdanek | "The Other Half Keira Black smart cover is electric, urban and industrial." -> electric? urban? really??? | 00:42 |
sledges | ringtone sounds defo electric | 00:42 |
pdanek | ah I see | 00:43 |
sledges | also ambiance looks cool | 00:43 |
sledges | but i cannot understand why aloe ringtone sounds so out-of-tune.. | 00:43 |
sledges | probably im too old for indy :) | 00:44 |
sledges | /alternative | 00:44 |
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Dima^ | I've bought this keira toh | 00:48 |
Dima^ | but I'm gonna keep jolla's original ringtone | 00:48 |
sledges | knightley.. | 00:48 |
raa70 | too bad there's only other half | 00:49 |
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Dima^ | Keiras ringtone is not harsh enough to be heard in public | 00:51 |
* pahartik peeled off original display cover film from "Jolla Mobile" device after month and week of use, wonders whether anyone is selling suitable screen cover yet | 00:55 | |
sledges | i cut from an ipad air - enough for two | 00:55 |
sledges | maybe custom-cut special orders could work? | 00:56 |
raa70 | It doesn't need one | 00:57 |
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Dima^ | I didn't use it on n9 for two years | 00:57 |
Dima^ | theres still no scratch, even it fell several times while climbing on the Alps | 00:58 |
Dima^ | or being in pocket with keys | 00:58 |
pahartik | sledges: Local hackerspace could cut with CO2 laser, if material is suitable for such | 00:58 |
Dima^ | gorilla glass seems to be quite good invention | 00:58 |
sledges | unless pocket phone and keys meet | 01:02 |
raa70 | well, if you have titanium keys... | 01:02 |
sledges | pahartik: i came across some renown sp makers do custom cuts | 01:02 |
sledges | so you can choose simple material, tempered glass or something like invisishield | 01:03 |
pahartik | sledges: Where is it? | 01:03 |
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sledges | it's not in one place - one maker does one material, another - the other | 01:04 |
sledges | trick is to find the best vendors, who make lots of profit and can allow custom cuts | 01:05 |
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sledges | stumbled upon one today, but got lost in internet space; google custom screen protector gives out stuffs | 01:10 |
sledges | good night people | 01:10 |
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Abby20 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 04:04 |
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CraigA | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | 04:37 |
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Stskeeps | http://pandoralive.info/?p=2808. | 08:08 |
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stephg | interesting | 08:14 |
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Azog | are there git-builds for gpodder available? or, how can i build packages from http://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish | 08:23 |
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tbr | Stskeeps: while I see the rationale, there are very dangerous asumptions in the TI choice. Foremost the "linux support" bit. | 08:25 |
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Stskeeps | tbr: yeah.. and today using libhybris isn't shameful | 08:38 |
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CoderCandy | I really like the native jolla IRC client | 08:40 |
CoderCandy | Is there any developer I can throw money on to show my support? | 08:41 |
CoderCandy | that is, a donate button | 08:41 |
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thp | Azog: in platform sdk, if you clone the gpodder-sailfish repo recursively, you just need to use "mb2 build". please note that until the final release, this is still a development version, so on-disk format, database, etc.. might change without notice until the final release, and you might lose your data, etc.. (standard disclaimers apply) | 08:44 |
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bwallberg | on | 08:49 |
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AJAX555 | CoderCandy: what native irc client? from where? | 09:09 |
CoderCandy | Uh, "IRC For Sailfish 0.1" | 09:10 |
AJAX555 | is it in jolla store? because I can't find it from there | 09:11 |
AJAX555 | or warehouse | 09:11 |
tobiski | https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases/tag/v0.1-rc | 09:11 |
CoderCandy | No, ^ that link | 09:11 |
Waitee | i just use irssi through ssh | 09:11 |
AJAX555 | ok thanks | 09:11 |
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tobiski | oh wait that's old | 09:11 |
AJAX555 | oh? | 09:12 |
sharpneli | Irssi trough ssh might be the prime reason why native irc app development is so lackluster | 09:12 |
tobiski | https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases | 09:12 |
sharpneli | Without irssi+ssh irc would've been day 1 app :D | 09:12 |
tobiski | the top one | 09:12 |
AJAX555 | Waitee: yeah, I use that too, but I just want to test native irc client | 09:12 |
tbr | mosh + screen + irssi = teh win! also on jolla | 09:12 |
CoderCandy | I dunno, I dislike the fingerterm keyboard for chatting | 09:13 |
Sidde | tbr: with a physical keyboard it would be very good | 09:13 |
rangoy | irc is best on irssi on server. mobile networks are to unstable | 09:13 |
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CoderCandy | Well, I should probably pay attention to my class | 09:13 |
tbr | Sidde: I don't miss the hw keyboard of my n950. I leave it in my pocket and prefer the Jolla. | 09:14 |
Sidde | tbr: it takes forever to keep up with a discussion of for example irc on a on screen keyboard | 09:14 |
Sidde | no physical feedback means that you have to look where to put your fingers | 09:15 |
tbr | Sidde: so it does with a tiny hw-kbd. btdtmto on my n950 | 09:15 |
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Sidde | a foldable full size keyboard would work | 09:15 |
Sidde | with a docking for the phone | 09:16 |
tbr | I have one of those nokia foldables, fairly nice and has a kick-stand for the phone. | 09:16 |
tbr | not full size, but more comfortable | 09:17 |
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tbr | just would need bt-kbd support | 09:17 |
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Waitee | tbr: n900? | 09:17 |
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Azog | thp: thanks for the help, i have a stupid question: i have installed the sdk, how can i start it, there is no binary named mb2 in ~/SailfishOS | 09:21 |
thp | Azog: probably have to ssh into the vm (the build one, not the emulator one) | 09:22 |
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tbr | Waitee: nope, been there too | 09:23 |
Azog | thp: how can i start the vm, i can't find such a option in qtcreator | 09:23 |
tbr | *sigh* is there a way to restore app settings that were lost due to the 1.0.3.x update? | 09:23 |
thp | tbr: https://together.jolla.com/question/21842/ | 09:23 |
tbr | SGauth lost its tokens and that's kinda important for me right now | 09:23 |
tbr | tnx | 09:24 |
thp | tbr: if that doesn't work, let me know | 09:24 |
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thp | Azog: it's the build sdk. but chances are that if you can't ssh into the build vm, you will also have troubles migrating your data if (when) the on-disk data format breaks before the final release | 09:25 |
tbr | thp: thanks, worked! | 09:27 |
Azog | thp: i give it a try, maybe i find some bugs | 09:27 |
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wickwire | Hi guys, I've been going over the ToH SDK materials just released | 09:41 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 09:42 |
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wickwire | are you planning on having some sort of back-office management tools to work with the NFC IDs? | 09:42 |
wickwire | I mean, as far as I could tell, at the moment, if I wish to link NFC tags to an app on the store, or an ambiance, | 09:42 |
wickwire | I should just send you the ID list | 09:43 |
wickwire | correct? | 09:43 |
Waitee | send who? | 09:43 |
Waitee | we're not working for jolla | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | wickwire: probably a good question for whatever contact email is in the ToH SDK :) | 09:43 |
ggabriel | send jolla | 09:43 |
wickwire | Ah ok ok - I thought that some jolla members also visited the channel | 09:44 |
wickwire | my bad | 09:44 |
wickwire | I'll ask them then! | 09:44 |
ggabriel | wickwire: you were working on that sports related app, right? | 09:44 |
ggabriel | but yeah, contact jolla directly as this is more the business side of things :) | 09:44 |
wickwire | no no, I'm in Portugal, testing the jolla mobile | 09:44 |
wickwire | and yesterday I submitted an app | 09:45 |
wickwire | to the jolla store | 09:45 |
ggabriel | ah, sorry, confused your nick then | 09:45 |
wickwire | and then I saw the ToH material | 09:45 |
ggabriel | i'm thinking that so far all apps in the store are free anyway | 09:45 |
ggabriel | so if you are willing to sell an app through an other half, you way need to wait | 09:46 |
ggabriel | dunno | 09:46 |
Waitee | i guess it's possible already to make an app on the store "invisible" and accessible through toh id | 09:46 |
vanadis | oh hai | 09:46 |
vanadis | Installed .38 last weekend,if i now search for updates it still shows me that the .38-version is ready for download | 09:47 |
vanadis | basically the same as with the .25version | 09:47 |
Azog | thp: gpodder works nice, the cover actions are very cool. if you are interested i can give you feedback after a bit of playing with it | 09:48 |
Waitee | shouldnt be too hard to implement since the ambiances that come with custom tohs are downloaded from the store but not accessible othervise | 09:48 |
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Waitee | on the topic about using toh to sell an app | 09:49 |
ggabriel | Waitee: yup, but haven't seen how to do it for an app *shrug* | 09:49 |
wickwire | my app isn't approved yet, hopefully it will be soon | 09:49 |
wickwire | ok sorry I had to move away for a bit | 09:49 |
wickwire | ok so my app is free, I'm just a developer trying out the solution | 09:49 |
Waitee | ggabriel: i think they are testing the concept with tohs at the moment | 09:49 |
wickwire | and wanted to test it with ToH | 09:50 |
wickwire | just that | 09:50 |
wickwire | no selling, mass producing, none of that | 09:50 |
Waitee | okay | 09:50 |
wickwire | I only have one cover here which is tied to an ambience | 09:50 |
wickwire | and I have like 4 tags | 09:50 |
wickwire | NFC tags | 09:50 |
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ggabriel | Waitee: yeah, hopefully coming soon as i want to buy an app :D | 09:51 |
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wickwire | ohhh ok so I can't have an app published on the store, visible that is, and at the same time, have an NFC tag to download it from the store? | 09:52 |
wickwire | it's either one of the other...? | 09:52 |
ggabriel | wickwire: ask jolla directly | 09:52 |
ggabriel | i don't think that's documented | 09:52 |
ggabriel | but it isn't a bad idea | 09:53 |
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Tegu | I think there are jolla members here at least sometimes. but then again I guess contacting via email is better | 09:53 |
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ggabriel | my understanding is that jolla members are using their community personalities in this channel :) | 09:53 |
Tegu | ah | 09:53 |
Nicd- | community ambience | 09:53 |
Nicd- | btw, was ambience spelled ambiance at some point in the early jolla teasers? | 09:54 |
Nicd- | at least they pronounced it like that | 09:54 |
ggabriel | i think it's pronounced like that ;-) | 09:54 |
wickwire | ggabriel: ok I will ask them then | 09:54 |
wickwire | thanks for the help! | 09:54 |
ggabriel | that's how marc pronounced it anyway | 09:55 |
ggabriel | not sure it's strictly english tho | 09:55 |
msv | is it only me or is .38 even more unstable with connections | 09:56 |
TheBootroo | dat phone is pissing me off these days | 09:57 |
TheBootroo | google account disconnect too often, then still receive mail or connect chat but can't sent mail | 09:57 |
TheBootroo | and if i want to re-auth, i have connection errors, and page stays white | 09:58 |
ggabriel | msv: so far, it's been ok for me | 09:58 |
TheBootroo | i can't sent a simple mail from phone | 09:58 |
pp_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/24531/https-everywhere-support-in-browser/ :-) | 09:58 |
TheBootroo | yeah .3.8 really unstable compared to previous one | 09:59 |
TheBootroo | only good things is landscape browser | 09:59 |
TheBootroo | many accounts and 3G internet issues | 09:59 |
ggabriel | i avoid google and i'm happy | 10:00 |
TheBootroo | ggabriel: issue with 3G connection is global not only google | 10:00 |
ggabriel | like i said, haven't experienced any of those yet | 10:00 |
ggabriel | but i admit i have to test it more thoroughly [the latest update] | 10:01 |
TheBootroo | i also have it in Browser, in Store, in Friends, etc | 10:01 |
ggabriel | wlan is better in my case | 10:01 |
ggabriel | as in - it doesn't switch back to 3g and stay there | 10:01 |
TheBootroo | wlan is only useful @home, so 20% of my day | 10:01 |
ggabriel | yup, i must take the jolla out more often | 10:01 |
ggabriel | still not my main phone | 10:02 |
ggabriel | peeps wanted landscape more than caldav, so there you go | 10:02 |
msv | even wlan seems more unstable after update | 10:02 |
ggabriel | not my case | 10:02 |
TheBootroo | ggabriel: caldav is important to me, and the most important : stable internet connection all the time | 10:02 |
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ggabriel | TheBootroo: i guess i don't suffer so much because it isn't my main phone yet. caldav to me is a must :) | 10:03 |
Abby28 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 10:03 |
ggabriel | /kick Abby28 | 10:03 |
ggabriel | s/kick/kickban/ | 10:03 |
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narchie | lol | 10:04 |
tachikoma | battery went from 100% at 16:30 yesterday to 93% at 09:00 this morning. | 10:04 |
ggabriel | i've just read what the spambot said with borat's accent | 10:04 |
tachikoma | \o/ | 10:04 |
ggabriel | and i'm about to laugh | 10:04 |
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krig | wlan is very unstable for me, and once it loses the connection it can't reconnect without a reboot of the phone | 10:06 |
narchie | so it wasnt mitäkuuluu, there's a global 3g issue? | 10:06 |
tachikoma | mh, wlan works pretty well for me | 10:06 |
tachikoma | but i use enterprise wpa, so configured it on commandline, no idea if that would make adifference | 10:07 |
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tachikoma | any suggestions on how to test network stability? | 10:10 |
tachikoma | for 3g/gsm i usually just listen to some mp3 stream, a network failure shows pretty clearly that way, but wlan? | 10:10 |
SpeedEvil | tachikoma: Voulunteer as a freenode IRC server. | 10:11 |
Acce | SpeedEvil :D | 10:11 |
FireFly | Lol | 10:11 |
FireFly | Wouldn't MP3 stream work just as well for wifi? | 10:11 |
tachikoma | yeah, but i suspect that load also would be relevant there | 10:12 |
tachikoma | i now wget some image file in a loop and log if it timeouts or gets disrupted | 10:13 |
Acce | just download some big file with wget and send it straigth to /dev/null as you dload it? | 10:13 |
tachikoma | disk image i mean ;) | 10:13 |
tachikoma | thats what i do :) | 10:13 |
thp | Azog: yes, feel free to | 10:14 |
ggabriel | 3g stability depends on the network too.... so you kinda need 2 phones | 10:14 |
ggabriel | one that you trust and the jolla | 10:15 |
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tachikoma | aaaand *boom* | 10:15 |
tachikoma | network gone and a kernel trace in dmesg | 10:15 |
ggabriel | woohoo | 10:15 |
tachikoma | from a quick look, seems it failed while doing a scan | 10:16 |
tachikoma | WARNING: at net/wireless/scan.c:590 .... | 10:16 |
ggabriel | tachikoma: i'd create a meme for you if my network wasn't so slow | 10:16 |
ggabriel | nice thing to report tho | 10:17 |
ggabriel | esp as you have the trace | 10:17 |
tachikoma | yes, where was the bugzilla again? | 10:17 |
ggabriel | together.jolla.com :P | 10:17 |
tachikoma | what login did i have ... god i need coffee | 10:18 |
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tachikoma | ok, trying to ssh via wlan into a device to copy and paste the oops that happened when the wlan connection broke is not really going to work, no matter how often i try .... | 10:20 |
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tachikoma | so - i can submit a question there - does that also count as a bug repost? | 10:31 |
SpeedEvil | There is no publc bugtracker | 10:32 |
SpeedEvil | yes | 10:32 |
SpeedEvil | ^separate | 10:33 |
Acce | apparently, if you tag your question with "bug", someone from Jolla catches it | 10:33 |
tachikoma | ok, thank | 10:34 |
tachikoma | s | 10:34 |
Andy80 | is there a command to check last time jolla was unplugged from the charger? | 10:34 |
stephg | Andy80 it'll probably be logged | 10:38 |
stephg | you can look at that with journalctl | 10:38 |
Stskeeps | Andy80: /var/lib/upower maybe | 10:39 |
Andy80 | thanks | 10:40 |
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tachikoma | ok, how the hell do i mark something to be a code block in my report | 10:46 |
tachikoma | this markdown stuff is driving me nuts | 10:46 |
tachikoma | nevermind, html is understood | 10:47 |
tachikoma | mh, what is this community wiki option? I don;t get it | 10:53 |
sejo | weird, when listening to my music through headphone jack while being connected to the car with bluetooth, incomming calls don't get to bluetooth, I need to remove the headphone jack first | 10:54 |
sejo | is that a know issue? | 10:54 |
tachikoma | mh, works for me with a bluetooth adaptor | 10:54 |
tachikoma | well, until latest update, did not yet get a call since then | 10:55 |
tachikoma | http://www.welectronics.com/Bluetooth/JABRA_BT3030.HTML | 10:55 |
tachikoma | that i use | 10:55 |
sejo | yeah, so I play my music on the line in, and when receiving a call the music stops, but the person can't hear me and I can't hear them, untill I remove the headphone jack then it's sent to bluetooth | 10:56 |
sejo | tachikoma: I use the one in my car, it's honda | 10:56 |
sejo | worked perfectly with android and other phones | 10:56 |
sejo | first time it doesn't work | 10:56 |
tachikoma | ah, so it does not connect to bluetooth but stays on the line plug? | 10:57 |
sejo | well it's connected, the call audio is just not sent to the bluetooth | 10:57 |
sejo | nor to the line in | 10:57 |
tachikoma | but then you should hear the other person via your car stereo .... | 10:57 |
sejo | no | 10:57 |
sejo | I need to remove the jack, then it switches to the bluetooth stack | 10:57 |
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tachikoma | mh, weird, one would need some logs, preferable from pulseaudio to see what is going on | 10:58 |
sejo | tachikoma: yeah, just had it happening yesterday and today, so wanted to see first whether it's a known problem | 10:58 |
sejo | also when playing music and a notification comes in, it switches sound to the phone speakers and then back to the headphone jack | 10:59 |
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tachikoma | https://together.jolla.com/question/24562/sailfish-update-1038-wlan-connection-fails-with-a-kernel-warning-message/ | 11:03 |
tachikoma | TheBootroo: if you have similar in dmesg, please add some comment | 11:03 |
TheBootroo | tachikoma: i don't have issues in WLAN | 11:03 |
tachikoma | sejo: sounds weird, I'd look at pulseaudio, that usually handles this kind of audio routing | 11:03 |
TheBootroo | only 3G | 11:03 |
tachikoma | TheBootroo: ok, someone here said he had, whoeever it was, feel free to add you config and problem description | 11:04 |
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rangoy | How do i get rid of these ** birthday notifications? | 11:07 |
rangoy | i've disabled sound notifications for calendar events and disabled notification sound | 11:10 |
rangoy | even then, it starts ringing loud ad 1200 | 11:10 |
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rangoy | Only me? | 11:13 |
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FireFly | I haven't added any birthdates for contacts, so I duno | 11:15 |
FireFly | +n | 11:15 |
tachikoma | I received a badge "popular question" ... wtf | 11:17 |
tachikoma | same here, sorry | 11:17 |
tachikoma | somehow a real bugzilla works better for me | 11:19 |
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AL13N_work | tachikoma: Stskeeps: Aard: https://together.jolla.com/question/24577/wlan-connman-ui-needs-some-love/ | 11:27 |
tachikoma | AL13N_work: ah, will try if the scan does trigger a reconnecct immediatly when it failed | 11:29 |
AL13N_work | i have no such dmesg, btw | 11:29 |
AL13N_work | but it did disconnect again | 11:29 |
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AL13N_work | and i need to do "iw dev wlan0 scan" to get it back connected again | 11:30 |
Sail0r | lol was not so wise to leak the black wallpaper ^^ | 11:30 |
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tachikoma | ? | 11:31 |
tachikoma | AL13N_work: I'm just looping through wgeting a 4gb image, should fail again soon enough, then I'll try to scan | 11:31 |
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AL13N_work | heh | 11:32 |
AL13N_work | tachikoma: btw: do you have the weird wlan buffer issue as well? | 11:33 |
Sail0r | https://twitter.com/TheJollaBlog_ | 11:33 |
AL13N_work | tachikoma: have you tried pinging someone and see the results? the req sequence numbers are often reversed | 11:33 |
Sail0r | but he deleted his posts | 11:33 |
tachikoma | AL13N_work: did not check that yet, but have to go for lunch now, will try later when i got time | 11:34 |
tachikoma | so, a wallpaper - is just some png/jpg/whatever, right? | 11:35 |
AL13N_work | appearantly it has keira black on it | 11:35 |
tachikoma | whuich doesn't ring any bell here | 11:36 |
* AL13N_work neither | 11:37 | |
chem|st | tachikoma: you might want to leave things as normal question on together.jc as you build no karma with wiki entries | 11:37 |
chem|st | and only higher ranked people may edit it | 11:37 |
AL13N_work | haha, yes, that's true | 11:37 |
TMavica | there is many bugs about chinese word. | 11:38 |
Andy80 | Stskeeps, I gave a look at /var/lib/upower but those numbers are unknown to me... I can't understand if I can read a date/time from that... | 11:38 |
chem|st | tachikoma: reproduced... what I had yesterday is that connman got hung to a point where it crashed the settings right with it - leaving a PEAP area into EDGE into WPA2 had me stuck in a mobileconnection state with an '!' on the icon | 11:39 |
Stskeeps | Andy80: isn't it like unix timestamps | 11:39 |
TMavica | stskeeps any progress about chinese input? | 11:39 |
Andy80 | Stskeeps, oh... right.. it could be infact. I just need to convert those numbers then :) | 11:40 |
Stskeeps | TMavica: no, sorry - didn't find time to dig further into it | 11:40 |
TMavica | Oo | 11:40 |
Stskeeps | TMavica: was at FOSDEM all weekend and then meetings rest of time | 11:41 |
TMavica | ok | 11:41 |
TMavica | by the way, I raised bugs report in together | 11:41 |
Andy80 | Stskeeps, converted Sat, 01 Feb 2014 00:24:30 GMT was at 99% and now it's at 66% :) (sometimes connected to wifi, sometimes not, no SIM inside) | 11:42 |
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Andy80 | not bad as standby :) | 11:42 |
tachikoma | chem|st: what do i need karma for? | 11:43 |
rangoy | tachikoma: downvote? | 11:43 |
tachikoma | i understood that if i put it on the wiki so others can edit it which sounds useful to me | 11:43 |
tachikoma | i don;t vote on bugs, at least never did and do't really bother to do that now | 11:44 |
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AL13N_work | tachikoma: regular questions can be edited by higher ranked ppl anyway, and most often people will post such things as answers | 11:47 |
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tachikoma | ok, the explanation sounded like only if the checkbox is enabled it can be edited | 11:47 |
tachikoma | so that was unclear to me | 11:47 |
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AL13N_work | tachikoma: you could also help out others to answer on their questions, you'll gather some karma | 11:47 |
AL13N_work | tachikoma: yeah, the same for me in the beginning | 11:48 |
AL13N_work | and i've never seen people actually edit a wiki question anyway | 11:48 |
tachikoma | yeah, just im at work and have to do other stuff as well ;) | 11:48 |
AL13N_work | as am i :-) | 11:48 |
AL13N_work | just a bit during lunch break | 11:48 |
tachikoma | just wondering, is that the background image: http://jolla.com/assets/bg1.jpg ? | 11:49 |
tachikoma | this keira thing? | 11:49 |
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Dima^ | seems to be | 11:50 |
AL13N_work | haha, some dude is called aegis | 11:51 |
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kehnoo | pulled that picture, resized and threw it to jolla, works okay as ambience :) | 11:54 |
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Sail0r | maybe they should start a store for ambiences | 11:55 |
Sail0r | 2 euros for the wallpapers or so | 11:55 |
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AL13N_work | well, technically, you should be able to make such an "app" | 11:58 |
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Tegu | back to the time when you could order logos or standby pictures via SMS. there were some catalog ads on newspapers or magazines :D | 12:00 |
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kehnoo | I just need the ring tone so I would have full Keira kit :p | 12:01 |
chem|st | tachikoma: I vote on bugs so the reporter gets karma if he is no karma whore | 12:02 |
chem|st | tachikoma: you need a specific amount of karma to do things, like editing wiki entries you need 75 karma... | 12:03 |
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Dima^ | AL13N_work: Jolla provides an ambient template. So anyone can make ambients :) | 12:07 |
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AL13N_work | Dima^: that doesn't mean people couldn't put it in rpms and submit to harbour, right :-) | 12:12 |
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entil | damn I don't have time to go too deep into this, but since the last update, I'm getting "Problem with connection" errors | 12:15 |
entil | the phone heats up a lot, probably where the nfc would be | 12:15 |
entil | and the battery drains like crazy and the settings app goes unresponsive a lot | 12:16 |
Dima^ | There is no sense if these ambients can be only with toh | 12:17 |
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tomcat_berlin | hi all. i have battery problems with my jolla. from time to time it turns off for no reason, in the middle of a phone call, when starting apps, ... Battery was >80% charged (it said). is this the right place to ask for help? | 12:21 |
flux | tomcat_berlin, I've seen that topic on together.jolla.com, it had some suggestions | 12:22 |
Dima^ | tomcat_berlin: I had it too.. after putting a foil this problem was gone | 12:22 |
veksu | newset update? | 12:22 |
tomcat_berlin | yes | 12:22 |
veksu | newest? | 12:23 |
tomcat_berlin | 1.0.3.8 | 12:23 |
Dima^ | Ant ist also seems to be gone after newest update | 12:23 |
veksu | hmh | 12:23 |
flux | I think the theme on the discussion was that bad 2g connectivity could be a factor | 12:23 |
veksu | my phone came back to service because shutdown wiht 1.0.2.5 and going to boot loop | 12:23 |
tomcat_berlin | i read sth about battery drain, but not "instant shutoff" | 12:23 |
veksu | they restore 1.02.5 and change battery | 12:23 |
flux | tomcat_berlin, it's there :) | 12:23 |
pp_ | tomcat_berlin: saw a recommendation to take battery out for 10 mins and so far I've not had problems (but it's only been 12 hours or so :-) ) | 12:24 |
flux | tomcat_berlin, https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ | 12:24 |
tomcat_berlin | flux: cool, i'll have a look | 12:25 |
tomcat_berlin | thanks! | 12:25 |
veksu | someone restore factory settings thats may help | 12:26 |
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Dima^ | I try now to take a tin foil off.. let see what will happend | 12:26 |
veksu | its works ok :) at 1.0.3.8 | 12:27 |
veksu | yesterday 6 am to 10pm about 50% drain | 12:27 |
veksu | about normal use for me | 12:28 |
tomcat_berlin | i'll try the trick to take the battery out for 10min and see. i'll come back to this topic in case it doesn't help. | 12:31 |
tomcat_berlin | (@work at the moment, so i shouldn't factory reset right now ;) ) | 12:32 |
pp_ | yea, it certainly can't hurt (had it fully loaded first, but that wasn't in the original tip) | 12:32 |
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Dima^ | before last update factory reset didn't help. But tinfoil did a magic :) | 12:33 |
chem|st | can some of you who not already voted get the data-tracking-whore-feature https://together.jolla.com/question/1198/agps-lets-mobile-data-become-active-even-when-connected-to-wifi/ voted on pls | 12:35 |
chem|st | I'd like to use gps without being a data whore | 12:36 |
tobiski | veksu: not for me, yesterday my battery drained to 5% in 12 hours | 12:36 |
jubo2 | I can't belive the OS does not have "drafts" folder so I keep on losing for trying to activate the zooming cursor focus thing and manage to flip to the next screen | 12:36 |
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tobiski | today I have stopped the tohd.service and currently 91% remaining after 7 hours | 12:36 |
chem|st | this is the settings for https://together.jolla.com/question/2166/location-settings/ | 12:37 |
tobiski | it seems like the update didn't effect my battery usage in any way :& | 12:37 |
veksu | tobiski, and you have 1.0.3.8 ? | 12:37 |
tobiski | yes | 12:37 |
tobiski | before the update I had tohd.service masked and stopped. Then I did the update and after that I unmasked and started tohd.service | 12:38 |
veksu | mine works ok now, before last update i stop tohd.service | 12:38 |
veksu | but now its running | 12:38 |
tobiski | mine went down to 5% in 12 hours :| | 12:39 |
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veksu | now 6am to almost 3pm about 9hour 75% left | 12:39 |
tobiski | I got about 7 hours of usage and 91% left, but that's with tohd.service stopped | 12:40 |
tobiski | need to start the tohd.service again after I rechagre my phone and see what the results are then | 12:40 |
ottulo | I had 55% about 12h ago, now at 46% | 12:40 |
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ottulo | and I haven't stopped tohd.service | 12:40 |
jubo2 | what's up with the abolition of the concept of "folders" for incoming sms and sent sms ? | 12:41 |
jubo2 | and "folders" for incoming, outgoing and missed calls | 12:42 |
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jubo2 | and most importantly, the "drafts"-folder for the damn SMS | 12:43 |
jubo2 | the "no button" approach is ambitious but the UX could be better, much better | 12:44 |
jubo2 | So is white TOH an NFC transponder or does it use some distinct technology to read ? | 12:45 |
Yaniel | I don't really use sms drafts | 12:45 |
jussi | Stskeeps: so, the brother in laws problem about the restarting is now fixed, although he is having issues with dropped calls now - I suppose you know nothign about this ?:D | 12:45 |
Yaniel | but when I do one is enough, which works atm | 12:45 |
Yaniel | just don't hit send | 12:45 |
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jubo2 | Yaniel: the problem is accidentally swiping the screen and unable to return | 12:46 |
tobiski | drafts for sms? for emails sure, but sms? | 12:46 |
jubo2 | I've lost like 4 sms | 12:46 |
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jubo2 | 'es so far | 12:47 |
Yaniel | what are you writing, a diary? :D | 12:47 |
Yaniel | but okay, people have different needs | 12:47 |
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jubo2 | Yaniel: I don't see any need to break the normal logic of inwards is left -> swipe right and outwards is right -> swipe left | 12:50 |
jubo2 | that way the navigation would be back to normal and natural | 12:50 |
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jubo2 | the leaves contain the activation keys and the menu is the tree | 12:51 |
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tachikoma | so - maybe a stupid question - but how do i alter the stl/stp files for toh | 12:58 |
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Plnt | tachikoma: you can open them in blender | 13:00 |
Plnt | tachikoma: or in text editor ;) | 13:00 |
tachikoma | yeah, I did look at http://reprap.org/wiki/Useful_Software_Packages#QCAD | 13:00 |
tachikoma | blender would not have been my primary choice | 13:00 |
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shanttu | I'm trying to get my contacts from n9 to jolla. any idea why making multiple .vcf to one using "cat *.vcf > all_contacts.vcf" gives error "cat: invalid option -- '6'"? | 13:21 |
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Plnt | shanttu: don't you have some directories in the folder with the vcf files? | 13:22 |
Plnt | shanttu: also i would do sth like cat *.vcf > ../all_contacts.vcf | 13:22 |
Plnt | shanttu: or at least don't add the vcf suffix there | 13:22 |
joonahoi | * should extract the value in bash before creating the resulting all_contacts.vcf | 13:22 |
Plnt | ah, yeah.. right | 13:23 |
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shanttu | Plnt, no directoríes, just .vcf files. Still same error with cat *.vcf > ../all_contacts.vcf | 13:23 |
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Plnt | shanttu: in that case.. don't you have some special characters in the filenames? | 13:24 |
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Pnuu | spaces? | 13:24 |
Plnt | yeah, sth like that | 13:24 |
Pnuu | "6 names.vcf" | 13:24 |
shanttu | damn, it made a file even if it gives the error message. I'll see if that works | 13:25 |
Yaniel | nope | 13:25 |
Yaniel | or partially if you are lucky | 13:25 |
shanttu | there are special characters on names, ä and ö | 13:26 |
joonahoi | but no "6" in filename anywhere? | 13:27 |
joonahoi | find . -name '*6*' | 13:27 |
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joonahoi | i think you'll find your problem with that command | 13:28 |
Yaniel | spaces are likely to be the real culprit | 13:28 |
joonahoi | yeah, but bash * expansion should escape them correctly | 13:28 |
joonahoi | and i agree that the problem must be in file called "something -6.vcf" | 13:29 |
joonahoi | as cat sees "6" as an option | 13:29 |
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Wnt | would something like this help: for i in *.vcf; do cat "$i" >> "../all_contacts.vcf"; done; | 13:32 |
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shanttu | Wnt, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' | 13:32 |
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joonahoi | shanttu: that syntax should be correct tbh | 13:34 |
chem|st | tobiski last charge 2am down to 91% after 12.5h | 13:35 |
Wnt | shanttu: can you transfer the files to a normal Linux machine and try running the commands there? | 13:35 |
shanttu | Wnt, I'm already using PC running Ubuntu | 13:36 |
salami` | cat *.vcf >> ../foo.vcf? | 13:36 |
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chem|st | tobiski: drafts for sms? it should just stay in the inputfield instead of being erased! was so on N9, found a birthday wish not being sent a year later... | 13:37 |
shanttu | I took my contacts from google (vcard) and opened the file using file manager. Seems to work, but got all addresses ever I sent mail to. Very nice | 13:38 |
shanttu | salami`, same error | 13:38 |
salami` | eh | 13:39 |
joonahoi | Wnt's suggestion should be correct, are you sure you didn't make a typo along the way? | 13:40 |
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Plnt | shanttu: did you tried to look for the files with "6" in the filename" | 13:41 |
shanttu | joonahoi, used copy - paste. It seems there IS a directory, contacts from facebook | 13:44 |
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jubo2 | hmz.. no irc client | 13:46 |
jubo2 | Is there a list of Jolla tutorial videos out there btw ? | 13:46 |
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Eztran | Like, Jolla's own ones, or general videos? | 13:47 |
jubo2 | I dunno | 13:47 |
jubo2 | Jolla's own ones ? | 13:47 |
sjtoik | jubo2: there is one client on the wild and you always have the command line with ssh preinstalled... | 13:47 |
jubo2 | sjtoik: so I could install screen and irssi .. hmmz.. | 13:48 |
Eztran | http://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos | 13:48 |
jubo2 | Eztran: tnx | 13:48 |
tachikoma | mh, the stl files for the other half are strange | 13:48 |
Yaniel | communi-sailfish is going to store any time soon | 13:48 |
tachikoma | can't import them anywhere but openscad, and there they are only displayed, no way to edit them | 13:49 |
Yaniel | (irc client) | 13:49 |
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tachikoma | mh, blender can import them, but what i get then has nothing to do with the other half, at least nothing with what was displayed/rendered in openscad | 13:52 |
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Wnt | tachikoma: both stl files were imported succesfully in my Blender | 14:00 |
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shanttu | Thanks for your help. The issue was the facebook directory, | 14:02 |
tachikoma | Wnt: mh, that did also show no error, but what blender then displays me does not look anything like the other half | 14:02 |
tachikoma | it looks more like a racetrack ... | 14:02 |
Plnt | tachikoma: when i import it to blender it's just too zoomed in. try to zoom out a bit | 14:02 |
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tachikoma | nah, that is not it | 14:03 |
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tachikoma | Plnt: this is what i see: http://imagebin.org/291095 | 14:08 |
tachikoma | anyway, will try more later on | 14:08 |
Plnt | tachikoma: oh.. that's something ocmpletely different | 14:09 |
Plnt | tachikoma: which blender version are you using? | 14:09 |
Plnt | tachikoma: i'm using blender 2.63 | 14:09 |
tachikoma | lender 2.67 | 14:09 |
tachikoma | mh, i guess i'll downgrade than | 14:09 |
tachikoma | then | 14:09 |
Wnt | tachikoma: you opened the file via File -> Import? | 14:10 |
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tachikoma | yes | 14:11 |
Wnt | this is what I got: http://upload.egarden.fi/TOH_Blender.png | 14:11 |
Plnt | yep, same here | 14:11 |
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Wnt | also tried editing the model (made usb connector slor smaller) | 14:11 |
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Nicd- | bah | 14:14 |
Nicd- | uptime reset :( yet another shutdown | 14:14 |
Nicd- | trying the "remove battery for 10 minutes" trick | 14:14 |
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Pnuu | yes, keepass client! | 15:31 |
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skvark | that official TOH model is pretty hard to 3D print | 15:58 |
Sail0r | why? | 15:59 |
skvark | it's curved | 15:59 |
Yaniel | yet so sharp | 16:00 |
skvark | not much but enough to make printing hard | 16:00 |
skvark | probably have to modify the backside flat | 16:01 |
skvark | and imho it's a bit too thick, it doesn't need to be | 16:02 |
Plnt | skvark: maybe try this one (not official) .. https://github.com/skvark/TheOtherHalf , http://relativity.fi/jolla_toh/ | 16:03 |
skvark | yeah :D | 16:03 |
skvark | I made those ^^ | 16:03 |
mikma | lol? | 16:03 |
Plnt | h | 16:03 |
Plnt | ah | 16:03 |
Plnt | oh | 16:03 |
mikma | yeah, see the url lol | 16:03 |
Plnt | my bad :D | 16:04 |
mikma | you are funny! | 16:04 |
Plnt | just saw your nickname :)))))) | 16:04 |
skvark | :D | 16:04 |
* Plnt needs to close his notebook today and go home to get some rest :D | 16:04 | |
Sail0r | lol | 16:05 |
skvark | about 0,3-0,4 mm can be removed and it'll still be sturdy enough | 16:05 |
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skvark | hopefully my app will accepted to the store this week | 16:09 |
skvark | will be* | 16:09 |
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jmlich | Hi, I was going to make a phone call and all my contacts lost! http://pastebin.com/9hwbREYc | 17:06 |
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Nokius | did anyone print the Jolla 3d toh? | 17:32 |
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tj____ | hmm not good.. i started updating to 1.0.3.8 a couple of days ago and forgot the whole thing. update download was stalled, progressbar was at about 95% when i woke up the phone a few minutes ago. i thought it's a good idea to reboot the phone and retry update. now it's stuck at boot logo. tried removing battery also | 17:38 |
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ggabriel | tj____: somefolks say that removing batery for 10 minutes helped | 17:41 |
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ggabriel | otherwise you'll have to do a factory recovery (you lose all data) | 17:41 |
Kabouik | My Jolla screen is locked, and the led blinks quickly, green light. No way to unlock the screen. | 17:42 |
Kabouik | I'm going to hard reboot, but anyone knows what it means? | 17:42 |
Kabouik | Hi there by the way! :] | 17:42 |
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Yaniel | green blinking led means missed call | 17:43 |
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Kabouik | Quick blinking? It's really fast here | 17:43 |
Yaniel | roughly how fast? | 17:43 |
tj____ | ggabriel, i think the battery was off for more than 10 mins.. i'll try this https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-version-1025-maadajavri/#details if needed | 17:43 |
Kabouik | I'd say more than 5-6 lights in one sec | 17:44 |
Kabouik | Perhaps more | 17:44 |
ggabriel | Kabouik: maybe it's stuck | 17:44 |
ggabriel | long press power button? | 17:44 |
Kabouik | It is, I'm going to hard reboot anyway | 17:44 |
tj____ | ggabriel, no important data and if backups are on sd, settings could be restored too | 17:45 |
ggabriel | tj____: cool, you can always revert to factory settings and you'll be sorted | 17:45 |
Kabouik | Hard rebooted. By the way, droped the Jolla once more while in a meeting today, it fell from my pocket. :'( | 17:45 |
ggabriel | is that even possible? :) | 17:46 |
Kabouik | I think it fell three or four times already. No scratches, but the two bottom vertices on the Jolla side are slightly crushed now :'( | 17:46 |
Kabouik | Slightly though. | 17:47 |
ggabriel | shame | 17:47 |
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tj____ | any idea if that issue with update is known/sorted if it a well known thing? | 17:47 |
ggabriel | tj____: i upgraded flowlessly | 17:47 |
ggabriel | flow? flaw :) | 17:48 |
tj____ | i mean root cause | 17:48 |
ggabriel | i have no clue | 17:48 |
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TMavica | Kabouik i ever have this problem | 17:54 |
TMavica | led keep flashing in green, I off and on device to fix. | 17:55 |
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tango_ | has this http://vimeo.com/85914466 been shared here? Querty OH 2 | 18:12 |
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shanttu | it looks awesome | 18:13 |
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Sail0r | damnit i should spent the 100 euros | 18:15 |
Sail0r | but it don't like the screws ^^ | 18:15 |
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ggabriel | hehe, well, it's made in the bedroom, just like you, right? :) | 18:16 |
tango_ | Sail0r: well, consider that this is a home-made prototype | 18:16 |
Sail0r | I know :) | 18:16 |
tango_ | you can't reall expect the design to be _too_ sophisticated 8-) | 18:16 |
* ggabriel unsure that everybody is made in the bedroom :P | 18:16 | |
Acce | he's done amazing job | 18:16 |
Sail0r | it was not i hate it because of the screws | 18:16 |
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tango_ | _my_ complaint is that the keyboard is a little small | 18:16 |
Sail0r | but i don't like it with the white color | 18:16 |
tango_ | ggabriel: well, some might have been made in the kitchen, or in a car or who knows where ;-) | 18:17 |
Sail0r | i think black would be better :) | 18:17 |
ggabriel | yup, could be bigger if the camera is hidden anyway | 18:17 |
tango_ | white color is horribe, true | 18:17 |
Acce | I wonder if he designed that sliding / tilting mechanism by himself | 18:17 |
Sail0r | and the work is awesome :) | 18:17 |
ggabriel | Acce: there has been _plenty_ of discussion | 18:17 |
tango_ | ggabriel: well, even just a few extra mm to the left and top could be gained, maybe? | 18:17 |
tango_ | without covering the camera | 18:17 |
ggabriel | tango_: the camera is covered by the pcb | 18:17 |
tango_ | yes | 18:18 |
ggabriel | you have to open the keyboard to take a photo | 18:18 |
Acce | ggabriel: plenty of discussion? in TMO? | 18:18 |
ggabriel | Acce: yup | 18:18 |
tango_ | ggabriel: I know | 18:18 |
ggabriel | like, it was truly collaborative | 18:18 |
tango_ | (I don't like _that_ either, btw) | 18:18 |
ggabriel | yeah, don't like the camera to be covered | 18:18 |
ggabriel | but i dunno | 18:18 |
ggabriel | not a major complaint | 18:18 |
Sail0r | http://i.imgur.com/jMYGijl.jpg | 18:18 |
Sail0r | :) | 18:18 |
Sail0r | i liked that much more | 18:19 |
Sail0r | but it's an awesome start what he did | 18:19 |
skvark | Nokius: I tried but it's a bit hard to print without modifications | 18:19 |
ggabriel | that one doesn't exist tho] | 18:19 |
ggabriel | then again, it can't be too big | 18:19 |
Nokius | skvark: okay, what 3D printer did you use? | 18:19 |
skvark | Nokius: Tinkerine Studio's Litto | 18:20 |
Nokius | skvark: did it fit better than your model (you are one of the guys work on an open CAD model on github riht?) | 18:22 |
Acce | uhh, is there a search function for a thread in TMO? | 18:22 |
Acce | I mean, inside the thread | 18:22 |
Nokius | skvark: so you use an professional printer | 18:22 |
skvark | Nokius: well the another print which I did not abort was a bit messy | 18:24 |
skvark | but no, it not fit well | 18:24 |
skvark | mostly because I didn't use support material | 18:24 |
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skvark | it did not fit* | 18:24 |
skvark | I don't think that my printer qualifies as a professional printer :D | 18:25 |
skvark | it's based on reprap stuff | 18:26 |
Nokius | skvark: okay mh … just check 3D printserivces around my area and had the Idea to print my on toh but now it sounds like I have to step a way from this | 18:26 |
Nokius | okay!? | 18:26 |
Nokius | damn expensive one :D | 18:26 |
skvark | one of the cheapest out there :D | 18:26 |
Nokius | 999€ for Reprap okay | 18:27 |
Nokius | yeah Reprap buliding an Reprap is cheaper if u only have to pay the matirial | 18:27 |
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skvark | the electronics/arduino side is from the reprap | 18:28 |
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skvark | and it was 999 dollars, less in euros :D | 18:29 |
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Nokius | The print shop in Berlin has Repman Z-printer and Maker Bot may one of this printer is good enough | 18:31 |
skvark | Nokius: I think 3D printing services will make the official model almost 1:1 with the model -> should fit well | 18:31 |
tango_ | does the toh sdk also come with a 3d printing model? | 18:32 |
skvark | and for my printer I just have to modify that model so that the bottom isn't curved | 18:32 |
skvark | tango_: yes | 18:32 |
tango_ | coolacious | 18:32 |
* tango_ is loving this jolla thing | 18:32 | |
Nokius | skvark: okay looks like the print serivce is a kind of hacksapce with prinitng service may the guys have a bit of experience :D | 18:33 |
skvark | but someone should sacrifice him/herself and order one from shapeways (or from some another service) :D | 18:34 |
skvark | printed in titanium :P | 18:34 |
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Nokius | :D But I dont know if its legel to use such a service the Licence is a bit ..... | 18:37 |
skvark | I'll be using my own models for now, far more faster to prototype with them | 18:38 |
Nokius | skvark: I realy like your blue/glossy print | 18:38 |
skvark | prints one in half an hour | 18:38 |
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skvark | I have clear PLA coming :) | 18:38 |
Nokius | skvark: is it fiting or is WIP needed | 18:39 |
skvark | next week | 18:39 |
Nokius | :O | 18:39 |
skvark | there's small errors | 18:39 |
Nokius | what license do u use for your Version? | 18:39 |
skvark | like 0,2-0,4 mm | 18:39 |
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skvark | the model is in github | 18:40 |
Nokius | WPL :D | 18:40 |
skvark | basically in puplic domain | 18:40 |
skvark | but the license is do what the fuck you want to public license :D | 18:41 |
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Nokius | so easy to work with your model than withe official :D | 18:45 |
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* plfiorini just ordered a jolla phone! | 18:47 | |
skvark | yeah I do enough closed source for work, have to compensate :D | 18:47 |
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Nokius | ^^ | 18:47 |
Sail0r | with keira black @ plfiorini? | 18:48 |
plfiorini | Sail0r, nope plain jolla | 18:49 |
Sail0r | ok | 18:49 |
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Nokius | skvark: yeah the screenprotect foil i made is a bit restrict … but I try to stop people to take it and make money with it not sure if its a good decision | 18:51 |
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faenil_ | plfiorini, woohoo! :) | 18:52 |
plfiorini | faenil_, :P | 18:52 |
faenil_ | plfiorini, ETA to see Hawaii on it? :D | 18:52 |
plfiorini | faenil_, now the problem is to wait 2 to 3 weeks | 18:52 |
faenil_ | I can imagine :p | 18:52 |
plfiorini | faenil_, > 2 or 3 weeks | 18:52 |
plfiorini | :D | 18:52 |
plfiorini | faenil_, but recently i've been playing around with mer (x86, x86-64 adaptation for now) | 18:53 |
faenil_ | good :) | 18:54 |
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vgrade | plfiorini: good choice | 18:56 |
skvark | Nokius: yeah | 18:56 |
vgrade | faenil_: \o | 18:56 |
faenil_ | vgrade, o/ how was the car trip? | 18:57 |
vgrade | faenil_: good , was home 11:59 | 18:57 |
vgrade | 23:59 | 18:57 |
plfiorini | vgrade, my first smartphone was supposed to be N9 but i never bought it, so i had to buy this one :) | 18:57 |
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vgrade | plfiorini: someone mentioned recently it olny took 6 days for delivery | 19:00 |
plfiorini | vgrade, cool | 19:00 |
Quu | depends on stocks and where you live | 19:00 |
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skvark | Nokius: I'll put soon (in 2 weeks probably) new model(s) up, gonna make at least a Power Half | 19:01 |
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Nokius | skvark: okay I will try to find some one how will print a nice blue or translucent toh :D | 19:03 |
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Nokius | skvark: Powerhalf cares extra battery? | 19:04 |
narchie | wow I'm a twitter celebrity | 19:04 |
narchie | twitted aboujt tweetian | 19:04 |
narchie | isntant 3 rt | 19:04 |
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skvark | Nokius: yes, 2000 mAh | 19:04 |
Nokius | :d | 19:05 |
Nokius | :D | 19:05 |
skvark | I'm expecting about ~5 mm increase in thickness in the middle of the TOH | 19:05 |
skvark | but the uptime will be awesome :D | 19:06 |
attah | but we already have 2-4x better battery life than competitors.. what would one use it for.. trips to the wilderness? | 19:07 |
Nokius | skvark: will try to get my hands on a few iQ pads in two weeks in Shenzean and will than add it to may jolla if I read it right on tmo is needed to change abit of toh ... | 19:07 |
skvark | yeah, something like that | 19:07 |
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FireFly | I don't really like how in the OH poll some people were all "let's combine all of them into one super-OH" | 19:07 |
attah | ok.. sounds reasonable.. i'd carry an extra battery.. but i guess it's nice ti have a single unit too | 19:08 |
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skvark | attah: it will serve as an extra battery, when the battery runs low Power OH can be attached and the phone will be charged back to 100% (or almost) | 19:10 |
tango_ | FireFly: I like that | 19:10 |
tango_ | FireFly: a qwerty TOH with an extra battery and solar charger | 19:10 |
FireFly | But I don't need an extra battery, it just adds unnecessary weight for me | 19:11 |
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attah | skvark: okay.. i thought it was supposed to be attached for the duration of the need.. but *that* is nice.. I have an external battery with a micro usb.. and using the phone while that is connected is pretty annoying | 19:12 |
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FireFly | The solar charger might not be comfortable to hold, in which case I'd probably rather go with just a plain keyboard, as cool as the solar panel idea is | 19:12 |
attah | FireFly: that's what i thought too.. but if wilderness charging comes in something that attaches, that's different | 19:12 |
FireFly | attah: sure, but what I'm saying is bolting it all into one thing isn't the way to go :p | 19:13 |
skvark | attah: yes, but it can be connected all the time if one wants to.. I'll probably add physical switch for enabling/disabling it | 19:13 |
attah | okok | 19:13 |
skvark | :) | 19:13 |
skvark | and there will be also microusb port for charging the power half itself | 19:15 |
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Nokius | guys i out cu | 19:19 |
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SpeedEvil | A solar charger is broadly a terrible idea. | 19:25 |
SpeedEvil | It encourages people to leave thephone in the sun. | 19:25 |
SpeedEvil | Where it will get way, way too hot - destroying battery life. | 19:25 |
SpeedEvil | (in many cases) | 19:26 |
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Acce | I thought the idea of the solar panel was that it would charge the battery by the light from your house lights, not much but a little, making the chargin interval longer. But since it says "Solar" some people might leave it in the sun | 19:29 |
SpeedEvil | It's basically useless like that. | 19:30 |
SpeedEvil | The sun is around 130000lm/mT^2 | 19:30 |
SpeedEvil | lm/m^2 | 19:30 |
SpeedEvil | Typical house lighting is more like 50-100 | 19:30 |
skvark | it has to pretty damn good panel if you wan't to get power from the house lights | 19:30 |
SpeedEvil | Full sun over the back of the phone wil charge it in perhaps in principle 4 hours. | 19:31 |
SpeedEvil | Office lighting it won't really even help with standby drain. | 19:31 |
Acce | hmm | 19:32 |
skvark | or basically but the phone just under the lamp which in my case gave about 50 mA of current | 19:32 |
skvark | Jolla drains about 100 mA in idle | 19:32 |
Acce | ok, so it was skvarks post I read before | 19:32 |
SpeedEvil | skvark: that's worst-case. | 19:33 |
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Acce | but I didn't know the standby current is so big | 19:33 |
SpeedEvil | skvark: it's more like 10mA or so, if it's sleeping properly | 19:33 |
Stskeeps | skvark: err. what kind of idle | 19:33 |
skvark | well I maybe had some software running :D | 19:33 |
SpeedEvil | Perhaps even a bit less than that. | 19:33 |
skvark | screen on etc. | 19:33 |
FireFly | skvark: "just under the lamp" meaning the lamp is only a few cm above the panel? | 19:34 |
skvark | FireFly: yes | 19:34 |
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skvark | 5-10 cm or so | 19:34 |
FireFly | In that case you've basically replaced the charger with a much more inefficient one? :p | 19:34 |
skvark | yeah :D | 19:34 |
Acce | well, it could have it's uses, if you had a lamp in good position, like prolonging standby time (if standby current ~10 mA when screen is off) | 19:35 |
sremes | but how much cooler is the lamp as a charger? | 19:35 |
Quu | its way hotter. | 19:35 |
Quu | because they heat. | 19:35 |
Acce | but using whole back off your phone just for that, not very interesting for me | 19:35 |
sremes | not to take that literally :) | 19:35 |
Acce | maybe you could make a laser charger | 19:36 |
Acce | like the ones they're planning to transmit power from Earth's orbit :p | 19:36 |
FireFly | Hm. | 19:36 |
SpeedEvil | aser chargers would have the unfortunate property of also blinding people if things went wrong | 19:36 |
skvark | the photovoltaic cell performance decreases when it gets hotter | 19:36 |
Acce | and maybe burn marks on your table | 19:37 |
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FireFly | What exactly is lipstick? the home menu/"desktop environment"? | 19:38 |
Acce | ok, then a green house TOH, which burns the sugars created by plants to generate power | 19:38 |
* pahartik was just looking at add-on Qi induction receivers at IT local superstore | 19:41 | |
HarhaanJohtaja | http://www.mediatek.com/_en/03_news/01-2_newsDetail.php?sn=1132 | 19:41 |
Nicd- | FireFly: afaik yes | 19:42 |
Nicd- | FireFly: the latter I think | 19:42 |
Quu | Stskeeps: you there? | 19:42 |
shanttu | does the same command for replacing hosts file i used on N9 work also for Jolla? it was so easy | 19:43 |
shanttu | "wget -O ~/hosts http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt && echo "127.0.0.1" $(uname -n) "localhost" > /etc/hosts && tr -d '\015' < ~/hosts >> /etc/hosts" | 19:43 |
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pahartik | shanttu: "Sailfish Linux" has "curl", no "wget" | 19:45 |
Stskeeps | Quu: sortof | 19:46 |
Stskeeps | Quu: bit tired | 19:46 |
Quu | Stskeeps: could you maybe please ban the abby-thing posting porn-urls? | 19:47 |
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* SpeedEvil wishes mediatek would actually publish docs for things. | 19:49 | |
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Quu | \o/ | 19:49 |
Quu | hurray | 19:49 |
SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1320842 | 19:49 |
shanttu | installed wget already. is the command ok to use? | 19:49 |
Nicd- | does anyone have any idea why jolla reports total ram as being 812.21 MB btw? | 19:49 |
Stskeeps | Nicd-: a large part goes into modem/gpu/dsp | 19:49 |
Stskeeps | it's all fairly sane | 19:49 |
Nicd- | is kernel space removed from that number too? | 19:50 |
Stskeeps | i've seen the layout | 19:50 |
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Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: worst situation is when there's public docs for something | 19:50 |
Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: but it's all written in chinese. | 19:50 |
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Nicd- | also, when dividing memory amounts to sane numbers, should I use MB or MiB? :P | 19:50 |
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RaYmAn | Stskeeps: chinese docs are better than no docs tbh :P At least you might find someone who speaks chinese to translate the important bits | 19:52 |
Sail0r | maybe we should use this laser for solar TOH ;) http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/january/140128-mst-lockheed-martin-demonstrates-weapons-grade-high-power-fiber-laser.html | 19:52 |
RaYmAn | SpeedEvil: even their "full" source for android that they give to manufacturers has tons of precompiled .o or .a :( | 19:54 |
pahartik | shanttu: "/etc/hosts" also has "::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6" by default | 19:54 |
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SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: that's not good, no | 19:54 |
SpeedEvil | I was thinking it'd be at least several years before someone got a linux box on an IC. | 19:54 |
SpeedEvil | And that chip could in principle do it. (if it's a good idea is another question) | 19:55 |
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clau | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/edison.html | 21:37 |
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clau | "Discover the Intel® Edison development board, a tiny, ultra-power-efficient development platform the size of an SD* card [...]" | 21:39 |
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clau | or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Edison | 21:40 |
Acce | clau: reminds me of this: http://haxit.blogspot.ch/2013/08/hacking-transcend-wifi-sd-cards.html | 21:43 |
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clau | Assuming that the normal SD interface will be presented to other devices, Edison could be used to encrypt saved files on the fly, say, on your camera. | 21:47 |
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Acce | yep | 21:47 |
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Acce | it could also be used as an extension module for your laptop, fitting in the SD card slot | 21:48 |
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clau | definitely | 21:48 |
Acce | or you could give WiFi to RasPi | 21:48 |
clau | yeah, now that you mention it I'm really pissed that my RasPi doesn't even have Wifi :) | 21:48 |
Acce | or you could give wifi to pretty much anything :D | 21:48 |
Acce | just depends, how much is that thing gonna cost | 21:49 |
clau | hopefully I won't have to sell a kidney to get it. | 21:49 |
Acce | ;D | 21:49 |
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Acce | we could also put it into our Jollas | 21:50 |
Acce | and TOH's | 21:50 |
Acce | to give additional computing power or what ever | 21:50 |
Acce | 400 MHz GPU? | 21:50 |
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Acce | better than nothing, maybe | 21:50 |
Acce | I wonder how much this thing is going to have RAM | 21:51 |
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clau | make a toh with several edisons on it :D | 21:52 |
Acce | I really hope this is going to be affordable.. it has so many possibilities | 21:52 |
clau | damn. | 21:53 |
Acce | cluster computing TOH :D | 21:53 |
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clau | where do I sign to get access to such a beast? :D | 21:54 |
skvark | it would be probably possible to do a camera TOH and use edison to process the images and send then to Jolla via Bluetooth | 21:55 |
Acce | Hmm, the SD card interface is probably much faster than the i2c | 21:55 |
Acce | ah, but this is not microSD | 21:55 |
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Acce | but maybe you could wire the microSD interface to the TOH | 21:56 |
Acce | and use it simply by writing files | 21:56 |
Acce | as an interface to TOH | 21:56 |
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clau | I am seriously interested in playing with such a toy. I'm a SW guy though, so I hope someone with HW inclinations will look into putting TOH together. | 21:56 |
Acce | well | 21:56 |
clau | Acce, I expect it to be possible. | 21:56 |
skvark | I had a Intel Galileo board at my hands for a week or so, it was interesting too but a bit too big :) | 21:57 |
clau | after all I have microsd to USB adapter, the size of a very small memory stick. | 21:57 |
Acce | we could make a "development TOH" with several sensors, buttons and stuff installed | 21:57 |
Acce | maybe an additional display too | 21:57 |
Acce | in fashion of microcontroller dev boards | 21:57 |
clau | also, there are dumb adapter from microsd to SD, I think | 21:57 |
Acce | clau: yep | 21:57 |
clau | lemme search for that | 21:57 |
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Acce | just wiring | 21:57 |
clau | well, if you know already, I won't search for that :) | 21:58 |
clau | yeah | 21:58 |
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clau | sd-to-usb is more than just wiring, but micro to normal should be really simple. | 21:58 |
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Yaniel | Acce: I wonder if you could boot a rpi from such a wifi card | 21:59 |
Acce | maybe a piece of Printed board circuit, which has pins for each line of microSD and fits to the microSD slot.. would be nice additional interface | 21:59 |
Yaniel | then you could have a linux pc inside your linux pc | 21:59 |
Acce | Yaniel: :D | 21:59 |
clau | Yaniel, if it offers the SD interface, certainly. | 21:59 |
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clau | you could do a load of tricks with it | 22:00 |
clau | damn. now I know what I want for my birthday ;) | 22:01 |
Acce | it's the typical Xibit phenomenon | 22:01 |
Acce | I need infinite supply of money, so I can just test these crazy ideas | 22:02 |
Acce | instead of having a job D: | 22:03 |
clau | tell me about it. | 22:03 |
Acce | wish it was my job to do stuff like this | 22:04 |
clau | everyone would hate you then :). | 22:05 |
Acce | :D | 22:05 |
Acce | I guess there are several guys at Jolla who just do this kind of prototyping | 22:05 |
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clau | time to go, good night everyone | 22:13 |
DrainBamaged | o/ | 22:13 |
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Acce | good nite, I'll hit the hay too | 22:13 |
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