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chem|stbennypr0fane: the rapoo BT is pretty small, did not get my hands on a US layout yet00:03
bennypr0fanechem|st: what layout does it come in now?00:04
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nahkissThere's some fancy 3G/4G switcher on jolla store, anyone tested it?07:29
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pp_o_O they approved something like that?07:30
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pp_it's one dbus-send to switch, but it's not operator approved yet so a no-no to actually switch on :-)07:31
Sail0rand you don't get sms and calls when you are in 4G mode07:32
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Quunahkiss: warehouse. not store07:35
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nahkissah right, my mistake07:38
Quuclose enough :)07:39
rigohey, http-redirect should be your friend @jolla07:40
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nahkissI wonder why I can't get it to work07:44
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nahkissoh right, I guess it doesn't support DC, but only true LTE07:45
nahkissso I'm out of zone07:45
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tigelinahkiss: DC is not LTE :)07:51
tigeliDC is already working with jolla07:52
nahkissI'm aware that DC is not LTE, the app is 3G/4G switcher and DC is considered "4G"07:54
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tigelinahkiss: by some people :D07:56
tigeliit's like TDC considered wlan+gsm/umts voice to be 4G :D07:56
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Sail0rTasklist is the first nice looking native taskapp in store10:00
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TheBootrooohai10:07
TheBootrooseems my phone has some issues connecting 3G since last udpate10:07
TheBootroooften i get "connection error"10:07
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TheBootrooand sometimes it works fine10:07
TheBootrooi can't use manual selection of operator10:08
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TheBootroodoesn't work,  it searches forever, and then when it finally finds a list i don't have time to select, it goes back to previous page10:08
TheBootroobefore update, 3G was working quite well10:09
TheBootroonow it seems it can't even connect, but i have more than 60% signal force10:10
tachikomamine still works fine, but only tried this morning on train and bus10:10
TheBootrootachikoma: mine buggued yesterday, worked fine a few hours ago, now bugs again10:11
tachikomaweird10:12
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Sail0rmine is working fine and always connected10:12
TheBootrooremoved sim card and put it again, now seems to work10:12
tachikomaselfcut?10:13
TheBootrootachikoma: nope10:13
TheBootroooh and i still have google account disconnecting often, i thought it was fixed with last update but seem it's not10:14
tachikomano google acount for me10:15
tachikomai quit that with the simple quit message "nsa" ;)10:15
TheBootrootachikoma: NSA can watch EVERYTHING on the web10:15
TheBootrooso i won't quit google good webservices for that10:16
tachikomawell, i did not use them, so for me it was just getting rid of clutter anyway, but i thought telling them that the actions of the nsa are a reason for me to actually quit the account is not a bad thing. In the end they are a us company and the nsa is a us agency.10:17
tachikomaMost people from the us i know are not so mad about the nsa spying on foreign people, but they really get angry about the nsa undermining us companies...10:18
MMoriHi all, since the last update there has been a new bug with android apps and automatic display turn off and phone lock.10:18
MMoriwhen the display turns automatically off while using an android app the lock screen will activate but when you open the display again the android app is active and useable until you leave the app10:22
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MMorithe lock screen is activated only after you leave or close the android app and return to home screen10:23
Yanieldepends on how long you let it sleep10:24
Yanielif you wake it up immediately, you get back to the app you were in10:24
Yanielif you put it in your pocket (cover proximity sensor) or let it sleep for a while it should drop you to the lock screen10:25
MMoribut the lock screen should pop up first or not at all10:25
MMoriwhy is it activated to background?10:26
Yanielhmm?10:26
Yanielthe idea is that you don't need to navigate back to the app if the phone decides to go to sleep while you are reading something etc10:26
MMoriyes, but the phone lock does get activated10:27
MMorionly in the backgound10:28
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TheBootroo3G not working agin10:36
TheBootroonot stable at all10:36
MMoriif the lock is supposed to activate when the display goes black it should be opened first before navigating back to the program10:36
TheBootrooi have the two triangle + "!" as a connection icon10:37
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tachikomasomehow i always wonder if i got a different phone10:37
tachikomathe bugs i experience are so different ...10:37
YanielMMori: do you have a lock code set?10:37
MMoriyes10:38
TheBootrooWTFFFF ?!10:38
TheBootroomobile net settings says 'connected', but status icon is error and all network request fail10:38
TheBootrootried removing simcard and put back again, worked few minutes, tried rebooting, worked few minutes10:39
TheBootrooreally pissing me off10:39
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TheBootroowhy the phone asks for reboot after simcard removal ? no hot swap ?10:40
TheBootroothe damn thing's starting to becomee hot as hell10:40
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TheBootroowhat the hell is going on ?10:40
Nicd-err10:41
Nicd-you can't hot swap sim cards10:41
Nicd-I don't think you can do that in any phone10:41
Yanieliirc it is because the android part can't10:41
MMoriI could have a banking app or something open and instead of showing the lock it takes me back to the app without asking the code.10:41
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TheBootrooNicd-: N900 could, N950 could, N9 could10:41
TheBootroo5800XM could10:41
Nicd-TheBootroo: but with the N900 the SIM was under the battery...10:42
TheBootrooNicd-: nope, was a kind of drawer metallic10:42
TheBootroojust like the microSD10:42
Nicd-yep, under the battery10:42
TheBootrooquite good system10:42
sharpnelihttp://www.mobiset.ru/photos/2009/september/25/nokia_n900/p23.jpg10:42
sharpneliUnder the battery.10:42
TheBootroowell maybe not the N90010:43
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TheBootroohotswapping microsd only10:43
sharpneliYup.10:43
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TheBootroobut on N950 i could hotswap sim as much as i wanted10:43
pp_hrmn, battery status seems wildly unreliable10:43
TheBootroopp_: still more reliable than 3G status10:44
pp_was 60% this morning, now it says "out of battery" but still 45% left10:44
TheBootrooi can't understand why settings says 'active / connected', status icon says 'error', signal is ~60%, and all request fails10:45
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TheBootroofrack, connection is really awful today10:57
TheBootroo40% signal force, icon status saying bidir communication but webpage won't load, and Friends client says 'unable to connect"10:58
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fluxhmm, my android subsystem found a new way to entertain me: whenever I blank the screeen, firefox exits11:10
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bwallbergHi, is there a Pocket application for Jolla? ( ref. getpocket.com/ ) Just ordered my Jolla a few days ago so I can't check :)11:19
Yanielnever heard11:20
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Yanielno I don't think there is yet11:20
Yanielbut you can change that! :)11:20
AL13N_work:-)11:23
bwallbergI sure can :) They have a very solid API so it shouldn't be a problem :D11:23
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Siddecrap, my phone has started doing random shut downs since last update11:30
Siddeabout once a day since 1.0.3811:30
AJAX555I wonder if they have sold all those 100 qwerty other halfs in TMO..11:31
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Sail0ronly 51 at the moment AL13N_work11:33
Sail0r-.-11:33
Sail0rAJAX555:11:33
AL13N_workSail0r: 51?11:33
Sail0rwrong nick11:33
Sail0rsry11:33
AL13N_work% ?11:33
Sail0r12:31:44 AJAX555: I wonder if they have sold all those 100 qwerty other halfs in TMO..11:34
AJAX555Sail0r: okay11:34
AJAX555guess I could send some money later this week11:34
AL13N_worki had a random reboot too last night... it woke up me and my wife11:34
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AL13N_workbut, it was my android11:35
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Sail0rlol11:35
AL13N_workand the samsung has a noise it can't turn off11:35
AL13N_workpretty loud-ish11:35
AL13N_worknot gonna put my samsung near my pillow again11:35
AL13N_work(the phone is given from work) my boss asked me to do X and Y with my phone for some kind of authentication scheme... and then complained that it was a very slow and old and small phone with only 2.3 android on it11:36
AL13N_worki was like... "why don't you give me a new phone then ???"11:37
AL13N_workhe didn't reply11:37
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Sail0rhehe11:39
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Sail0rbuy a jolla and give the bill to your boss ;)11:39
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tachikomabattery time got better again? Chraged to 100% yesterday at work and went home. that was around 18:0011:55
tachikomatoday morning at 10:00 it showed 94% charged11:55
tachikomaand it was online with wlan and booked into 3g11:56
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SpeedEvillatest update said TOHdrain was fixed11:57
ottuloseems to have worked pretty well11:57
ottulothey also fixed the stuff about TOH always switching the ambiance when it is replaced, which was annoying :/11:58
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roborodoes anyone else have trouble playing video with particular codecs...11:59
tachikomai had tohd switched off before, so my battery life was already quite good12:00
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ottulotachikoma: same here, but I'm happy it's fixed - I had to do a factory reset, and this time there was no need to switch it off manually12:01
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tachikomai guess i still have tohd disabled/masked12:05
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tachikomabut I doon;t miss it - as long as there is no documentation on toh connection it's kinda useless to me12:06
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jubo2I have now kmail program that is able to access my email and I've taken all values and double-checked they are entered correctly and still no inbox, no nothing12:13
Quuuse gmail like everyone else12:13
ko__my battery time sucks12:14
ko__after the update12:14
ko__charging also seems to take forever12:14
roborouuurgh gmail... abomination of email12:15
ko__i re-enabled tohd, so i hope it isn't that12:15
Quudoesnt matter what service you use, NSA can access them all12:15
Quuko__: its not that12:15
ko__no, i just re-enabled it, after having updated and trying to charge the phone12:16
roboromeh NSA... everyone freaks out about that and then gladly hand their personal data over to commercial entities anyway12:16
ko__right after enabling it, battery charging is faster.12:16
ko__so, uh. I don't know.12:16
Quuko__: charging is faster?12:17
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Quuhow long time you waited to notice that12:17
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CvPhrllo12:18
CvP*e12:18
ko__Quu: well, faster, or more like actually happening12:18
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ko__since the update on uh, saturday?12:18
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Quuok. because battery status gets polled every 5 minutes if 90+% and 1 minutes if 50+%12:19
Quuiirc.12:19
ko__it's been plugged in to a charger almost all the time, and i was at 10%, only going up to 14% even though it's been plugged in for six hours12:19
Quuoh12:19
ko__started tohd and now it's at 24% after an hour12:19
Quui have had some charger problems too12:20
Quuwas bad usb-cable, changed it and didnt happen again12:20
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ko__this same cable charges my n900 and powers a raspberry pi just fine12:20
Quuare you using the jolla charger or something else?12:21
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Quusomeone said they had silly problems when using other charger.. :p12:21
tachikomaroboro: saying "everyone" is a bit to broed. Nearly everyone I'd say12:23
tachikoma'broad'12:23
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roboroheh... true12:23
tachikomawhat the nsa should do - just create nsabook and let people sign up themself ...12:25
tachikomaoh wait ... ;)12:25
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jubo2I assume there is a log file we could look at to figure out what's wrong with the email app12:29
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VDVsx_jubo2, I told you yesterday how to collect logs, I can help you, in case you want help :)12:32
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jubo2VDVsx_: I'm sorry. I missed it.12:34
VDVsx_sec12:34
Sidderoboro: not everyone gladly hand over their data. That is not a valid argument12:34
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VDVsx_jubo2, http://pastebin.ca/262069712:34
trevormacrohello,12:35
trevormacroIs it possible to run mod android application on sailfishOS?12:35
trevormacroif yes how?*12:35
VDVsx_jubo2, you can send log file to mail-logs at jolla dot com for analyse, better if you re-configure the account after enabling the log to get full setup12:35
stephgtrevormacro on the Jolla you can download and install the android compatability layer12:35
trevormacrostephg , where?12:36
stephgdon't think it's legally available/will run on other devices12:36
stephgit's in the Jolla Store12:36
stephgpublished by Jolla12:36
trevormacrowhy its not possible to run some patched or modded app?12:38
stephghow do you mean?12:38
Quuprobably he doesnt even know what he is trying to ask.12:38
Quubecause you can run basically any .apk if you know how to12:39
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salami`trevormacro: you can run the app as long as its a proper android app and the apk works12:39
Moduhello12:39
tachikomais it about running cracked apps, stephg ?12:39
trevormacroyes12:39
trevormacroLook this topic : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9258912:40
Siddecracked apps? it's still a apk?12:40
tachikomai don't know about cracked apps and how it is done, but my understanding is that they get patched so you can playe the full/adfree version without paying12:40
Siddei'll guess it's up to the crack12:40
SiddeIf it does some kind of hack which is not supported in the framwork it might not work12:41
Sail0rmaybe it can't access all your local data and send it to the cracker *g* that's the reason why it dies ^^12:41
tachikomayeah, i never would trust those12:41
tachikomaI'd already have a hard time trust the original app author12:41
tachikomatrusting12:42
Quudownloading .apk's from russian sites is always fun12:42
trevormacroSail0r It's the problem but how can we fix this?12:42
tachikomayeah, right :)12:42
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tachikomaat least i then give my data to the fsdb and not the nsa12:42
tachikomafsb12:42
Sail0rpay for the apps you want to run ^^12:42
tachikomathey are not very expensive, are they?12:43
trevormacroQuu what russian site for exemple?  what is the best12:43
tachikomarotfl12:43
Sail0rrofl12:43
salami`heh12:43
jubo2VDVsx_: bookmarked12:43
tachikomaIownyourdevice.ru ? ;)12:43
Siddethe android runtime in sailfish is hardcoded to googles DNS servers12:43
pp_android apps leak your data anyway :-)12:43
Siddeso don't trust the android framework...12:43
pp_actually would be fun to see cracked binaries that don't12:43
tachikomayeah, now you can choose to whom :)12:43
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pp_remove all those six ad networks from angry birds!12:44
pp_instead, send rovio some bitcoins12:44
tachikomalike a checkbox filed where you can choose whioch sectret service gets your data12:44
pp_so they get paid, but can't monetize you in any other way12:44
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tachikomaand you get point from them for that - if you reach a certain pointcount, you can redeem them at amazon or so12:45
Quuoh god12:45
tachikomai so should start my own secret service12:45
vanadisxposed-framework for the android stuff?12:45
Quuhe is pm'ng me and asking whats best russian site to download cracked apps12:45
Sidde:D12:46
tachikomacongratulations12:46
Sail0rsend him a pwn em all app12:46
Sail0r^^12:46
tachikomadidn;t Iownyourdevice.ru work?12:46
Siddewhat's wrong with a certain bay?12:46
tachikomaso - typing apk and crack into google does give you a lot of highly suspicious sites ....12:47
tachikomaadding 'ru' to the search term .. well ...12:47
Siddetachikoma: isn't that the problem. To many sites ;)12:48
tachikomadunno, they sound like they offer a lot of stuff, but i did not click any of them, just judging from the snippets in google search result12:48
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stephgdamnit peek has gone again12:50
stephganyone seen that yet either?12:50
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sledgeshttp://shop.jolla.com/12:51
Quuoh12:51
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Quunice12:51
Quudamn12:51
Quu30e :f12:51
tachikomawow, new other halfs12:51
stephgoooo12:51
tachikomado they do anything?12:51
Quumust order now12:51
stephgditto12:52
sledgesbefore they are sold out12:52
QuuWith more than a fresh coat of paint, each colour option packs a unique ambience with custom tones, wallpapers and more.12:52
Quuprobably nothing else than ambience12:52
tachikomayeah12:52
tachikomathanks but no thanks ;)12:52
pp_Keira Black and Aloe12:52
Quuthe black one would be nice12:52
Quubut i dont know.12:52
pp_how... <censored>... is that...12:53
Nicd-Yaniel: have you gotten jolla imap email to work with our school's new office 365?12:53
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sledgeshttp://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit12:54
YanielNicd-: haven't tried12:54
Yanielonly mfe12:54
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tachikomasledges: nice :)12:54
stephgoooooh12:54
skvarkooo12:55
Quu0e shipping12:55
Nicd-Yaniel: can't get the imap to send anything, just says "problem with sign-in"12:55
tachikomaohooo :)12:55
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Quulol those sample ringtones on those TOH's12:56
stephgright other halves ordered, back to broken peeking12:56
Quustephg: both? :)12:56
stephgja12:56
stephgI've already scratched my white one12:56
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tachikomalol12:56
Quusame.12:56
tachikomawhat is that __MACOSX folder supposed to do?12:57
tachikomauhhhhhhhhhh .stl12:57
stephgjust means the zip was made on a mac12:57
stephgignre it12:57
tachikomaalright12:57
stephgso I can swipe back to multi tasking but to do it I have to do it very quickly12:57
stephgI can no longer peek to the multitasking screen12:57
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stephgthough peeking to the notification screen works12:57
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stephghowever horizonal gestures work in the apps12:58
stephglooks like I can't swipe down to close12:59
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Quuok, probably all TOH's will be 29e then13:01
pp_qwerty one would be a bargain :-)13:02
stephghehe13:02
pp_suppose a wireless charger one too13:02
Quuwell those "basic" ones13:03
Quuwithout any special hardware13:03
tachikomai want querty toh13:03
Quusame13:03
tachikomai already was close to buy such a thing to built one myself:13:03
tachikomahttp://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Keyboard-Buddy-iPhone-Case/dp/B004L0K3KW13:04
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Quu2-3 weeks.13:08
Quupft13:08
kehnoohighly recommend that black toh, it looks great ;)13:08
tango_anything looks great compared to the white toh13:09
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tango_(tfo is decent-looking)13:10
svuorelacan't the white ones be put on sale as well ?13:10
Quuprobably will13:10
Nicd-what are we talking about?13:10
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Nicd-OHs where?13:10
QuuNicd-: new TOH's on site13:11
svuorelait looks like it could be a great base for meeting a spray can of paint13:11
tango_svuorela: lol13:11
Quusvuorela: that might be why its not on sale :p13:11
Nicd-oh jolla shop13:11
Nicd-I have to buy the black one <3_<313:11
svuorelabut I better go get me one of the new ones - my boss is frequently showing off his orange toh.13:12
sharpneliThe black one looks cool13:13
sharpneliBut it doesn't have the douchebag factor of The First One half has13:13
jubo2Now I notice "16 new emails"13:13
jubo2this means it's started to work13:13
sledgessvuorela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayyTUy3GTw&t=6m45s13:13
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kehnooI think these colored other halves are good solution with my "gotta have em all" -problem with colors13:14
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svuorelasledges: but I would like to only do such experiments if I had a spare one for when it fails13:14
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sledgessvuorela: if it fails, you peel it off ;)13:15
rcgNicd-, fwiw, i didn't have a shutdown since i installed the latest update13:15
rcgjfyi13:15
Nicd-rcg: I've had13:16
rcghmmz :/13:16
Nicd-current uptime is 3 days 16 hours13:16
kehnooby problem I mean https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78440257/DSC07168.jpg13:16
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rcgNicd-, hmm nearly the same for me13:17
Quuhmm, i hope the black one is made from black plastic13:17
rcgbut i don't recall when i booted it the last time xD13:17
Quuand not from clear like orange one13:17
kehnoohow do I find out? I have one13:17
Nicd-rcg: let's see how this continues13:17
rcgNicd-, *nod*13:17
Nicd-going to push an update to SailTime soon :)13:18
sledgesQuu: material is written in the shop13:18
Quuoh.13:18
Quuyeah, seems like it13:18
s1gk1llis it possible to buy only a TOH cover?13:18
Quuyes.13:19
jubo2also outgoing email is working13:19
Quusince 25min ago13:19
s1gk1llQuu: when Ć© addthe13:19
s1gk1lloops, by default the site also adds a jolla phone13:20
svuorelacan I somehow extract the clear-text credentials used for logins from the phone ?13:20
s1gk1llyou can just reduce to 0 unit and it gets ok13:20
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tachikomai kinda like the white toh ...13:21
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skvarkjust last weekend I ordered parts for new TOHs, perfect timing13:25
skvarkgonna test those official 3d models today13:26
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Sail0rhttp://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit13:29
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svuorela..is jolla still using fedex to send out stuff ?13:32
Sail0rthe black ringtone is cool13:32
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anonfriesehumm, the black toh is pretty, but the blue one is also nice... humm, should i buy both? not that i already have the white one and the le toh...13:36
Quuanonfriese: gotta catch em all13:36
viviawhite toh makes the phone look like an othello disc13:37
anonfriesehumm, i like the white one. looks kinda professional, so i use it for work :)13:38
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svuorelavivia: lol. haven't thought of that before now.13:40
anonfriesehumm, the black one looks cool, but the blue one has a nice ringtone :)13:40
svuorela..and haven't played othello for ages.13:40
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viviasvuorela: have you ever played any otb tournaments or only on the computer?13:42
svuorelavivia: I've played in a couple of tournaments in denmark ~12y ago13:44
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newinhey all !13:44
viviasvuorela: oh, i started much later, don't think i've met you :)13:46
anonfriesehuh? order status = suspected fraud?13:47
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Quuanonfriese: lol?13:48
anonfriesepaid with paypal and used the same jolla account/adress i used for ordering my jolla...13:48
anonfrieselet's see if status changes soon...13:49
Quui did the same13:49
Quuand i have "paid"13:49
svuorelaI'm also in suspectedfraud13:49
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viviawild guess, maybe you have different shipping and billing addresses?13:49
svuorelaI do.13:50
anonfriesethe payment also shows up on my paypal page...13:50
svuorelaand I also spent 100 attempts at logging in on the shop13:50
anonfriesei don't13:50
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mcfriskis tracker in 1.0.3.8 really buggy? having hard time scanning sdcard for music and videos, now also photos from emails dont get into gallery app view14:11
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chem|stmcfrisk: tracker was buggy from the beginning14:13
mcfrisksigh14:13
Stskeepshttp://jolla.com/the-other-half-specification-community-license14:14
Stskeeps- thoughts?14:14
chem|stI had no version yet but the 1.0.3.8 which did not need a reset from time to time14:14
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AcceStskeeps: Am I getting this page right: https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=21869 , there is no support for HID profiles, ie. no support for BT keyboards?14:15
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Acceor just no license for HID?14:15
Stskeepsthank you, somebody is reading those things :)14:15
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StskeepsAcce: it probably means that it wasn't certified as in, not working within U14:15
StskeepsI14:15
TofeStskeeps: it's short, so it's a good sign, at first sight14:16
chem|stStskeeps: that reads like "do not sell TOH with your stuff on but we are happy to grant you license to tinker with it and produce new TOH yourself"14:16
merlin1991hm http://shop.jolla.com/cat-the-other-half/the-other-half-keira-black.html "Get Jolla and The Other Half in Keira Black or Aloe for just 419 ā‚¬" looks like a typo14:16
svuorelaStskeeps: do I read the license correctly to say "do what you want as long as you don't sue others who does as they want"14:16
merlin1991ah wait, reading comprehension14:17
AcceStskeeps: but if there is firmware support, it could be hacked to work? since Bluez supports it14:17
StskeepsAcce: probably14:17
svuorelaoh wait. there is also a money clause.14:17
merlin1991it's not 2 other halfs but a jolla + oh :D14:17
StskeepsAcce: it's a linux device with bluez14:17
svuorelaStskeeps: is there another license to agree with if one wants to make a business out of doing other halfs or services for other halfs ?14:18
chem|stmerlin1991: 399+29-9discount14:18
svuorela...and do you expect it to be a problem with having third parties making other halfs ?14:18
chem|stmerlin1991: it is a jolla with white toh+ the black toh14:18
Stskeepssvuorela: well, i'm not a lawyer or invovled with TOH, but i presume there's another type of agreement for commercial usage14:18
svuorelaStskeeps: anyways. my thoughts are that it fails my opensource and opensource-friendly definitions.14:19
chem|stStskeeps: applying teh fosdem coupon code does work despite it was said to not be working with other discounts14:19
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Quuchem|st: you want -40e from 29e device?14:20
Quuok14:20
AcceStskeeps: it has bluez, but that only means the kernel supports it, I think.. what about the firmware of the BT chip?14:20
chem|stQuu: device+toh gives a 9eur discount14:20
Stskeepssvuorela: yeah, CC NC does that too, somewhat14:20
chem|stQuu: you then may apply teh fosdem code14:20
Stskeepsmy own, personal, opinion is that it makes sure communities and power users can tinker; while making sure there's a business model for commercial parties14:21
Quuchem|st: oh, i misread :p14:21
chem|stthey better have some fancy stuff in the pipes for ltd toh and new ones 29eur is not even close to what that thing costs14:21
TheBootroowhen will store open for OtherHalf with all the colors we saw in the past ? (coffee, purple, lime, etc)14:22
jubo2I've now added our school's exchange server as an MSFT Exchange server.. I'm missing where is the Exchange app or where is it supposed to show me my email and calendar?14:23
ggabrielah, nice other halves14:23
roborommmm other halves that change my ambience don't really grab me...14:23
* roboro waits for something a little bit more substantial14:24
salami`jubo2: mail & calendar app14:24
chem|stTheBootroo: if they want to sell them for 29 in the future they need to prepare content and features first14:24
chem|stgues teh design department is a bit faster than the feature developers14:24
rigochem|st: but they need to make some money in order to be able to re-invest14:24
* ggabriel likes the black one14:25
fk_lx29 EUR for TOH?!?14:25
chem|strigo: I ordered two... as investment in my personal phone future14:25
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mcfriskok, so 1.0.3.8 needs reboots to fix the tracker problems..14:25
ggabrielprice is a bit steep, yeah14:26
ggabrieli still like them :P14:26
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chem|stmcfrisk: no... tracker-control -es14:27
fk_lxggabriel: produciton cost of such thing with one nfc tag is probably a few EUR14:27
chem|stfk_lx: cents...14:28
ggabrielfk_lx: i'm not disagreeing14:28
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Quuthey need to get money from somewhere to pay  all that loan14:28
matokingI just uploaded the first version of my file manager application to OpenRepos14:28
merlin1991hm did somebody post already that the other half sdk pdf has the external charger section duplicated into the cover power section?14:28
matokinghttps://openrepos.net/content/matoking/filetug is the link if anyone wants to give it a try14:28
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Sail0rthe toh is not only the plastic thing it self but also special ringtones (which somebody must record), artwork (which also somebody must do)14:29
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mcfriskchem|st: yes when tracker-control -es says Could not create proxy on the D-Bus session bus, Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Files: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs received signal 1314:29
chem|stmcfrisk: then you are root...14:30
fk_lxSail0r: considering selling lot of them - cost of such ringtones and wallpapers is still few EUR14:30
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Sail0ryou have not to pay for a toh if you don't want them14:30
mcfriskchem|st: nope, I was nemo14:30
Sail0rIn my opinion the price is fair14:30
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chem|stmcfrisk: hmm what happens as root? the same?14:30
tachikoma29 euro is ok for the whole thing14:31
mcfriskchem|st: didn't try, gave up and rebooted14:31
Quuyeah, 29e is not too much14:31
Quubut it could be 10e less14:31
tachikomaif i want cheap stuff i order from china import shops14:31
ggabrielyou can wait and the price will go down :)14:31
Sail0rwhen jolla grows up maybe we can get cheaper tohs14:31
ggabrielalso, there's the sdk, you can make your own14:31
fk_lxSail0r: maybe for Finns ;-)14:32
ggabrielsdk? toh specs rather14:32
Sail0rand there is also the possibility to print it yourself14:32
tachikomahdk14:32
tachikomahardware development kit14:32
tachikoma:)14:32
tachikomaSail0r: guess what I'm about to do ;)14:32
Sail0rso everyone is happy14:33
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tachikomasince i got the phone i am basically happy with it, yes14:33
fk_lxQuu: I agree that 19 EUR would be fair14:33
Sail0rI decided to support Jolla and got a black one xD14:33
tachikomaI'd get one if I'd like the colors14:33
tachikomabut black is boring and the mint is ugly ;)14:33
tachikoma(my opinion)14:33
ggabrielSail0r: black is cool indeed14:34
ggabrieli may give me a present14:34
tachikomaI's love to have a transparent though14:34
ggabrielyou never know14:34
ggabrieltachikoma: that's not a bad idea at all14:34
Sail0rI don't like the transparents have seen a few on TMO14:34
ggabrielsame plastic quality tho?14:34
tachikomaSail0r: i was not aware those existed14:35
Sail0rsome people already printed their own14:35
kehnooneeds more hot pink14:36
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tachikomayes, i was waiting for the stp files, now i need to wait to get a day in a fablab here where the printer is not in use and then i have to actually understand what i am about to do ;)14:36
* TheBootroo in love with Keira Black + Urban Wallpaper ambience14:36
tachikomai might lik some lemon green color or something purpleish14:36
TheBootrootachikoma: maybe coffee one ?14:37
TheBootrooIIRC it was lovely14:37
tachikomanah, that reminds me too much of s**t14:37
ggabrieltachikoma: you want tachikoma coloured other halves? :-)14:37
tachikomaggabriel: mh, not really ;)14:37
tachikomadon;t like impostors :)14:38
ggabrieli can't remember them14:38
tachikomalight blue14:38
tachikomai actually would like a grey one i think14:38
TheBootrooi don't want any flashy color14:38
ggabrieltachikoma: apply dirt to snow white?14:38
Sail0rhttps://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCLMQjtdGAw-s5Y&w=377&h=197&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBaDpujsIAAATNnY.jpg&cfs=114:38
TheBootrooi want black, grey, white, coffee or grayish blue (electric)14:38
tachikomawell, if I'd go to sotshi to watch the olympics i would have to get a rainbow colored one ;)14:38
Sail0rhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p350x350/1425796_649827775040245_1432755317_n.jpg14:39
Sail0r:)14:39
TheBootrooSail0r: my eyes hurt T_T14:39
Sail0r:P14:39
tachikomapink can be nice14:39
Sail0rand lime green http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/11/29/jolla-phone-london-2013-12.jpg14:39
* tachikoma bought recently purple and pink leds ...14:39
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tachikomaSail0r: tha is nice but I'd like it brighter14:40
Waiteeis it just me or does the other halfs seem a bit meh14:40
Sail0r?14:41
tachikomadepends on what 'meh' means i guess14:41
Waiteedissapointed14:41
TheBootrooWaitee: nope, nice colors, nice wallpapers14:41
Waitee30e for a coloured backplate14:41
tachikomamh, up to now, i think yes14:41
TheBootrooobvously we are still waiting for hardware adding OTH14:42
Sail0rpeople paid much more to wrap there siemens c4514:42
Sail0r^^14:42
TheBootroobut these won't probalbly come from Jolla14:42
ggabrielyou don't have to get it tho14:42
TheBootroothey have too much to do on the OS side14:42
Waiteenever heard of anyone with a siemens c4514:42
ggabrieland you have the dev kit to print your own14:42
Waiteeto be honest14:42
ggabrielyou can ask apple to give you the tech details of their silly iphone cable for instnace14:42
ggabrielso let's put thing sin perspective14:42
* Plnt used to have siemens s45 :)14:43
Waiteei dont see a reason why would we compare jolla and apple14:44
TheBootrooi'm waiting : keyboard OTH, extra battery + wireless / solar charging  OTH, killer camera + lens protector + photo button + grip OTH, and finally orientable kickstand OTH14:44
Waiteethey have totally different business model14:44
TheBootroocould put 20 -> 150 ā‚¬ on each14:44
Sail0ryou can buy a keyboard toh at tmo14:44
Morpog_Jollablack one ordered :D14:44
TheBootrooSail0r: i don't really like it14:44
* ggabriel isn't comparing apple and jolla, just putting things in perspective in the mobile world14:44
TheBootrootoo small14:44
tachikomaI'm just waiting for other halfs for hundreds of dollars - designed by some hyped artist that creates horribly bad pictures on any kind of device for a living14:44
Stskeepspicasso TOH14:44
Waiteewe could compare jolla and neo900 for example14:45
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Sail0r@ TheBootroo you cry for keyboard toh and the one which comes out you don't like? ^^14:45
ggabrielWaitee: go ahead i guess14:45
ggabrieli want a real keyboard other half too14:45
TheBootrooSail0r: yeh, not my fault if the guy made a too small keypad14:45
Sail0rmake your own ;)14:45
Waiteekeyboard toh would be nice14:45
ggabrielmaybe waiting for what's coming up, reading reviews, etc14:45
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TheBootrooSail0r: i don't have electronic skill, only design + dev ones14:45
Sail0rteamup with someone who does the hardware part "together" you know ;)14:46
ggabrielTheBootroo: i think the tmo other half is great14:46
ggabrielit's a starting point anyway14:46
ggabrielbetter things should come14:46
Waiteeit's a nice phone though but i still think i would've got more with the same money if i would've chosen say nexus 4 instead14:46
tachikomaggabriel: which one is that?14:46
TheBootrooggabriel: i would need to see a recent render anyway14:46
ggabrielsaw the one on vimeo?14:46
TheBootroothe ones i saw were like N900 keyboard fitted in square box with huge bezel14:47
* ggabriel in a meeting, sorry can't find it now14:47
Sail0rWaitee:  it depends on what you expect14:47
ggabrielTheBootroo: yup, that one14:47
TheBootroocould use better the space to create bigger keys14:47
ggabrielbut it's a start :)14:47
TheBootrooggabriel: ok so that's what i said : not what i need14:47
Sail0rI sold my s3 for the jolla and don't regret it14:47
TheBootrooi have big fingers14:47
WaiteeSail0r: true14:47
ggabrielTheBootroo: yup, hence i'm waiting14:47
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TheBootrooi need something at least bigger than Jolla VKBD, else it's pointless14:47
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Waiteewell of the physical keyboard all i need is the tactility so i can feel when i've pressed a key and i dont have to look at the keyboard to type14:48
ggabrieli think my req's are more like: i want something i can touch :P14:48
ggabrielWaitee: +114:48
Waiteethe vkb of jolla is the best one i've tried so far14:49
ggabrieli miss swype in the vkb tho :(14:49
Sail0rWaitee: true14:49
tachikomaggabriel: guess i got it14:49
Waiteei never got used to swype14:49
ggabrielaltho swype is good for english only14:49
kehnooI've got wallet TOH, stuffed 10 e bill between the phone and TOH for emergency beer needs14:49
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Waiteenice one14:49
tachikomathe hard part is t o find an existing keyboard fitting a 5'' phone14:49
ggabrielkehnoo: i thought about that, not sure why i haven't done it yet14:49
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tachikomaif you don;t want to built one completely from scratch14:50
Waiteegotta design toh with a money clip14:50
kehnooggabriel, it makes the phone spin on tables14:50
Waiteemy friend could print it i guess14:50
Waiteebrb14:50
TheBootrooggabriel: this one i want http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BVP8L32CMAE3mez.png-large.png14:52
TheBootrooonly a designer concept ATM14:52
TheBootroobut nice14:52
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TheBootroono useless space around, big bold black keys14:53
TheBootrooi love it14:53
ggabrielTheBootroo: nice, no camera tho14:53
ggabrielor rather: camera if keyboard is open14:53
TheBootrooggabriel: i don't use cam every day, and when i will, i would like a camera specific otherhalf, with lens, optics, and shutter button, and lens protector like on N90014:54
TheBootrooone use, one other half14:54
TheBootroothat's my will14:54
ggabrielfair enough14:54
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TheBootroowhere can i get that awesome wallpaper ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfowCdtCIAAChMH.png14:57
roboroTheBootroo: lens protector is something that they should really include on most of these TOHs... they could use the GPIO to make it act as a switch to activate camera/torch14:58
TheBootrooyey14:58
ggabrielTheBootroo: you get that by buying the other half :)14:58
TheBootroolet's do it14:58
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Yaniel"They should totally sell those... oh"14:59
tachikomayes, i want this keyboard toh TheBootroo posted15:00
tachikomanow!15:00
* tachikoma gets ready to throw money at someone15:00
Yanielit actually fits the style of the device quite well15:00
Yanieland now there are specs :315:00
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rangoyi'm also ready to throw some money if someone can deliver a keyb toh, almost regardless specs15:01
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FireFlyTheBootroo: maybe even cut off the remaining space and go with a matrix like the N900's keyborad?15:03
FireFlykeyboard*15:03
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TheBootroohehe, back with an order to watch15:04
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TheBootroostatus: "Paid"15:04
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TheBootroodat deja vu feeling :-D15:05
ggabrieloh no, not again! :)15:05
tachikomaWhere is my other half!!!! :)15:06
Morpog_Jollalol15:06
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TheBootrootachikoma: \ooooooo/15:06
tachikomayeah15:06
chem|sttachikoma: Soon!(TM)15:06
Quuvalve-tomorrow.15:06
* tachikoma looks for chuck norris ...15:07
tachikomamust be some maemo/meego culture thing, i remember those threads in anticipation of maemo updates ....15:07
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TheBootroohey, just wondered if my order makes me the first one with a Keira Black OTH ?15:08
Sail0rlol15:08
tachikomanope, they check who you are, realise it's much more fun to fuckup you delivery and then just do that ;)15:08
Sail0rrangoy: have a look at tmo for keyboard tho ^^15:09
Sail0r*toh15:09
chem|stdid anyone recognize that the SKU of all items has a date formatting like Oct 31st 2013 for TOHs and Oct 11th 2013?15:09
chem|stplus 3 digits15:09
TheBootroochem|st: O.o15:09
rangoySail0r: tmo?15:09
Sail0rhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9153515:10
Sail0rtmo talk.maemo.org15:10
TheBootroochem|st: Keira Black OTH = 31101310915:10
chem|stTheBootroo: SKUs follow an logistics program format usually...15:10
TheBootroochem|st: The Jolla + White OTH = 111013100115:10
chem|stTheBootroo: 31/10/13 and 11/10/1315:11
tachikomamust be some illuminati thingy ;)15:11
TheBootroochem|st: why not 04/02/14 for Keira BLACK ?15:11
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TheBootroothey were ready since october 2013 ?15:12
chem|stTheBootroo: as it was stocked the same day as the others15:12
tachikomaTheBootroo: i found this only after waiting for the jolla phone in dexember:15:12
tachikomahttp://xkcd.com/281/15:12
TheBootrootachikoma: i lol'd15:12
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TheBootroonew vkbd for Qt, maybe jolla can inspire from it (even if already the best i use to have) http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2014/02/04/new-virtual-keyboard-for-qt-enterprise/15:13
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TofeTheBootroo: what advantage over the maliit/qml keyboard that is used with Sailfish ?15:32
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TheBootrooTofe: dunno, but it's stock Qt now, one less middleware to add15:37
walokra"now" is relatively15:37
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Acceisn't the enterprise stuff somehow closed?15:38
tachikomano, "enterprise" means 'is expensive and does not work'15:39
tachikomaaka "whoever buys it does not have to use it"15:39
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tachikomahttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Foto-auf-der-elektronischen-Gesundheitskarte-sorgt-weiter-fuer-Verwirrung-2105158.html15:40
tachikomaups15:40
Waiteeat least red hat enterprise linux works fine15:40
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Waiteeand community enterprise operating system (centos) works fine too15:40
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tachikomai obviously forgot the smileys ;)15:41
Waitee;)15:41
Waiteebut you're right :D15:41
matokingI somehow managed to do this http://imgur.com/uEpYawf15:41
matoking:/15:41
virtualdtachikoma: is that about medical records?15:42
tachikomanopw, about the new german medical care id card15:42
Waiteematoking: lol15:42
Waiteepeople camera15:42
tachikomathey need to have a picture - but it is not checked if the picture is actually you15:42
Plntmatoking: that seems like a nice replacement for the missing app icon folders.. ;]15:42
ggabrielmatoking: good effort15:43
tachikomaso - as i have not sent a picture yet - i can now safely send one of darth vader and see if i get that on my card15:43
matokingThat issue was easily fixed15:43
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matokingBut I'm starting to miss it15:43
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ggabrieli miss my jolla, which i left at home15:44
ggabrielit was ~40% battery, and i'm coming back tomorrow15:44
virtualdenterprise means you get what you're buying, if you don't know what you're paying for, then you will not get what you expect15:44
ggabrielso let's see how it goes15:44
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virtualdwhy do they need picture on the medical care id? can't they use drivers license, national id or passport for that purpose?15:46
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tachikomavirtuald: don;t ask me, i don;t like it and therefor just did not sent a picture15:46
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tachikomanow I'll just send some random one, just to see what will happen15:47
virtualdtry bigfoot, a drop bear or something15:47
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jubo2'k .. got the Exchange syncing my calendar and email :D16:08
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Quuonly took 3 days16:13
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chem|stmatoking: happened to me quiet often... just edit again16:15
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KabouikHi guys. Small question to your linux guys, it's kinda off-topic but I'm sure you all know16:16
KabouikI want to install a Linux distrib as a dual boot on my Windows machine. I freed 18 GB (10 for / and 8 for swap (to allow hibernation)16:16
KabouikCan I make a small partition for /home, and then mount my Windows Documents into /home to actually use the Windows NTFS partition?16:17
KabouikI have no HDD space left16:17
salami`Kabouik: technically yes16:17
KabouikBut?16:18
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salami`you could mount the ntfs disk somewhere and symlink windows documents to /home/user/somedir16:18
KabouikIf I recall correctly, ntfs-3g is beta, but working properly enough16:18
salami`it works fine, at least for me16:18
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Abby22 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6916:18
KabouikOk, thanks!16:18
salami`with that kind of setup I wouldnt make a separate partition for /home16:19
KabouikI'm not sure how to do the mount/symlink steps (apart from editing the fstab file for the automount), so perhaps you'll see me again someday :P16:19
ortylpKabouik: the solution with symlink is safer IMHO16:19
KabouikOh, so I let /home in /, and just mount Windows D: to /home?16:19
Sail0rhow much do they get from spamming these links?16:19
Sail0r^^16:19
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QuuAard: please ban the abby* :|16:20
salami`you can mount D: to /home/<user> but I would not recommend it16:20
salami`but /home/<user>/windows instead16:20
KabouikShould I symlink instead?16:21
KabouikWell, perhaps not "instead", but additionally16:21
ortylpKabouik: salami` is right :D16:21
KabouikWhat difference would that make?16:21
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KabouikI'd like the /home/Videos folder to match the D:\My Videos, for instance16:21
salami`then go with symlinking16:22
Quusalami kirkkaalta taivaalta16:22
Quu+a16:22
Quui cannot even16:22
salami`mount D: to /mnt/windows or something and symlink /mnt/windows/My Videos => /home/<user>/Videos16:22
KabouikAlright. I'm going to install the distribution first, with no dedicated /home partition, and then we'll see! :P16:22
salami`pm me if you need help16:22
ortylpKabouik: ln -sf "/mnt/MyWidowsD/My Video" /home/<user>/Videos16:23
KabouikOk. And so, no dedicated partition for /home, despite it being used for a lot of stuff in addition to the D:\Folders?16:23
joonahoiKabouik: remember the user part in the path16:23
KabouikYes16:23
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joonahoialso remember that you are going to need that /home/<user> directory for all the application settings etc16:24
joonahoiand you will want it to have the access control schema16:25
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KabouikYes joonahoi, that'w why I was wondering wether I would need a dedicated /home partition (even small) in case I need to format /, while keeping my settings16:25
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salami`ive ran to some fancy problems with symlinking another hdd to a small partition16:26
KabouikI guess I can just copy /home prior to format / if I need to16:26
Kabouik/home/user sorry16:26
salami`yeah tar it and put it somewhere safe :)16:26
KabouikAlright16:27
KabouikLet's install Mint first, I've got some problems with my Bios so it's not done yet16:27
Kabouik(When I try to enter Bios settings, the computer hangs... It didn't do that before, till today)16:27
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KabouikSo I have trouble setting the Bios properly to boot on the flash disk16:27
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KabouikBack. I'm currently on the LiveCD of Linux but I face an unexpected problem, if any of those who helped me a few minutes ago is OK for some more help by PM17:01
Yanielthere is no "LiveCD of Linux"17:02
Yanieland a lot of variation between distros17:02
KabouikOf the Linux Distribution I chose.*17:02
Yanielwhich is?17:02
KabouikMint 1617:02
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minimecKabouik: HI. And what is the problem you face?17:03
Yanielthere. now if you describe the problem shortly someone might even have an idea about what's going on :)17:03
KabouikI was going to, but it is off-topic, hence I asked if any of those I discussed with a few minutes ago would go PM with me17:04
KabouikBut I can explain here, no prob!17:04
KabouikBut my problem is unrelated to the distro, It's just that current Windows machine come with a bazillion of partitions, and now I'm confused about one. I'm not sure I created it by mistake in gParted, or if it's some sort of recovery/boot partition that I should NOT touch. The size is 8000 MB (which is the size I set for one, the swap), but the filesystem apparently is "biosgrub", which worries me. I don't find any "swap" in the table so I might just ha17:05
Kabouikve messed up with the filesystem of the new partition I created, but I want to be sure before I reformat this 8GB-partition17:05
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YanielKabouik: are you still at a point where you can undo your changes?17:08
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KabouikNope, it's from a previous attempt (but the laptop froze up at the next step so I had to hard reboot). That's why I am not sure I created this 8GB-biosgrub instead of a 8GB-swap, or whether it was there in the first place17:09
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Yanielhard to guess17:10
Yaniel"8GB biosgrub" could be anything17:10
KabouikTo be honest I am (negatively) amazed by the number of partitions I can see here in gParted. Windows machines now come with like 10 partitions, all hidden from the user.17:10
viviaKabouik: what if you dd that into another larger partition and try turning it into swap then see how windows will react?17:10
Yanielcan you post a list of the partitions?17:10
Yanielabout 3 partitions seems to be quite normal17:11
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KabouikBiosgrub filesystem isn't specific to Linux then? Could be there by default on my Widows machine.17:11
Kabouik?17:11
YanielI have no idea what biosgrub means there, never heard that name used before17:11
Yanielwindows is usually just ntfs17:12
Yanielor fat32 or exfat17:12
Quuyeah, even the 100mb hidden partitions17:13
Yanielplus one EFI partition if you have UEFI instead of BIOS17:14
KabouikHow can I check that in terminal to paste it on pastebin? lsblk doesn't return full information, neither does fdisk -l17:14
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Kabouik(Not sure how to know whether I have UEFI instead of BIOS by the way)17:15
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Yanielsince you mention fdisk, likely BIOS17:16
KabouikAh? Is it related? I'm just messing with the terminal in the LiveCD, trying to use commands I've used on N900/N9/Jolla in the past17:17
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Yanielfor me fdisk -l shows all but the partition names17:18
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KabouikIt only shows a warning followed by the total size of /dev/sda in my case, and then lists /dev/sda1 under "Device boot", not the like ten other partitions17:19
KabouikAnd the warning is the following: sudo fdisk -l17:19
KabouikWARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.17:19
Yanieloh17:19
Yanielso it is a GPT disk17:19
Yanielnot MBR17:19
Yanieluse gdisk instead of fdisk then17:19
KabouikMakes me worry about something else: I think I read somewhere that Grub doesn't support GPT, and then I may lost the Windows entry in the boot menu17:20
KabouikWhich I don't want to17:20
Kabouikgdisk: command not found17:20
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Yanielanyway lsblk --output NAME,PARTLABEL,FSTYPE should tell you what you need17:21
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KabouikIt doesn't fill the LABEL and FSTYPE columns. I can have filesystem with -f argument though17:23
Yaniels/PARTLABEL/LABEL17:23
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Yanieland SIZE might be useful too17:23
KabouikDoesn't work, I used LABEL instead of PARTLABEL (this column doesn't exist), but it leaves all columns empty17:24
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minimecKabouik: I do understand your worries. My advise is to install Mint without any 'physical' swap partition. After the installation you have two choices. You can either create a swap-file (with similar performance), or simply install 'zram-config' (sudo apt-get install zram-config). The later option will create a compressed swap in your RAM. Like that your 8Gb stays untouched for the moment.17:35
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KabouikThanks minimec. But with these two options, will I be able to use Hibernation? That's the only reason I want a swap17:36
Kabouik(Hence the 8 GB size, the size of my RAM)17:36
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minimecKabouik: Suspend -> yes; Hibernation -> no (with the swap-file hibernation should be possible)17:37
KabouikThat's what I suspected17:37
KabouikBut all in all, I need to find out what is this 8GB partition, if it's me messing with the filesystem, or if it can be deleted. Even if I install Linux, I won't know better17:38
KabouikMint*17:38
minimecKabouik: hibernation with swap-file should be possible, as the data is saved on the disk.17:38
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KabouikDual boot on UEFI seems to overcomplicate the process to dual-boot a lot :( (http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=157960)17:43
KabouikI used to just run the install from a LiveCD and have two entries in Grub, no I'm afraid I'll lose the Windows boot17:43
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Yanieldoes it offer you the possibility to install in bios compatibility mode?17:45
KabouikNo, I didn't see anything like that17:45
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KabouikI'm not going to install before I find out what is this 8GB partition, and before I ensure I'll have the install GPT-compatible (to have two entries in boot menu)17:45
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aupoAnyone else had Jolla suddenly just show the usb-connection screen and pretty much freeze there? Happened to me thrice in two days, only got out by forcing a reboot.17:47
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Stskeepsgood evening17:50
SpeedEvilEvening.17:51
Acceevening17:51
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anonfriesehumm, can't wait for my keira black toh :) is there a "real-life" picture already?17:55
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viviahttp://trak.in/innovation/indian-school-girl-invents-washing-machine-without-electricity-302013/17:56
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AL13Nkeira has alot of real life pictures, though they might not be what you're looking for18:04
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jussiSo, brother law has an issue that the phone is frequently shutting down - he is updaed to the latest version (and it happened prior to the update also). Is this somethign that others have been having?  or should he take it to service?18:10
mintWell, I thought it would be simpler. This whole UEFI-thing making dual boots soooo complicated is winning over me, I'm gonna give up.18:10
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Stskeepsjussi: update to latest version and pull the battery for 10 minutes18:10
KabouikAnd I may havelost 8 GB as I don't know if this partition can be deleted18:10
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jussiStskeeps: ahh, ok. Ill tell him to give that a try. thanks18:11
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AL13NStskeeps: battery life since update has even been greater18:12
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AL13Nyesterday, i had -2% for 5h18:12
AL13N(i don't mean idle)18:12
pp_ah, mine has done 40% -> empty in seconds, lets try the battery trick18:12
AL13Npp_: i'm wondering what kind of things you're doing :-)18:13
AL13Nthough i admit to once having it plugged in and still draining18:13
AL13Nof course, i was doing some specific stuff to get there18:13
AL13Nabout the wifi issue, it seems to happen less now... but it's not 100%18:14
AL13Ni've seen that ping has reversed icmp replies18:14
AL13Nlike 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 5, 4, 6, 13, 17, 11, 10, ...18:15
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AL13Ni'll need to do a thorough check of the network though18:16
pp_AL13N: it had been on for surprisingly long, so it maybe just be a calibration thing :-)18:16
Nicd-lbt: screenshots taken with your screenshot app have really aggressive JPEG compression18:18
Nicd-is that done by your app or Qt or something else?18:18
Yanielyeah, how about png? :P18:18
Yanielit's not like we are that storage limited18:18
lbtNicd-: by Qt18:19
lbtI have a new version now which allows devs to pick png18:19
Nicd-ok, nice18:19
Yanielwhy jpg in the first place?18:19
lbtit was png first18:19
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lbtthen people complained 'cos jolla gallery doesn't support png for SOME sharing so I made it jpeg18:20
lbtnow people complain it's fuzzy :/18:20
* lbt tries to win18:20
Nicd-aww18:20
Yanielthe win would have been fixing gallery :D18:20
Nicd-I like your app18:20
lbt:)18:20
lbtYaniel: yeah we are - but it takes time18:20
lbtNicd-: I made 3D dice instead18:20
Yanielbut then, SOME is mostly retarded anyway so it may not be worth it18:20
Yaniel3D dice?18:21
* Yaniel approves18:21
lbtYaniel: yup - the optionis for devs18:21
lbtyeah - it's great fun18:21
Nicd-what do you mean for devs?18:21
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YanielI'd love to get to do 3D stuff again.. but school takes too much time for now18:21
lbtwell, I expect the people who need nice shots mainly care about it for store18:22
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lbtI may be a bit broad by saying "devs" :)18:22
lbtnb - you can share png in gallery if you disable metadata stripping18:22
lbtand since there is no metadata on screenshot pngs that's fine18:22
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nathrakhlbt it also stops music from playing, is it possible to add mute option to the app?18:38
lbtit does? I wasn't aware18:38
lbtit should really mix18:38
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lbtso it does18:39
nathrakhyes, also stops the somafm internet radio app18:40
lbtwell, in my defence I just do a .play() on a QML Audio object... so I think it's a Qt/Silica bug :)18:42
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Morpog_PCstskeeps. sometimes after a reboot, my sdcard got found and mounted, but tracker doesn't see the files, so for example I see no music in media player18:44
Morpog_PCor lbt18:44
Morpog_PCis that a known bug and can i restart tracker without loosing data?18:45
* lbt pleads ignorance on that18:45
lbttracker is a bit magical18:45
Morpog_PClol :D18:45
Quu*magic*18:45
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Morpog_PCI guess it's a race bug when booting18:46
Quuits a bit.. special18:46
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StskeepsMorpog_PC: i shall have no responsibility over tracker's actions18:46
lbtI'm pretty sure you wont lose data but it may lose track of it18:46
Morpog_PCwell, thats like loosing it :)18:46
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Sail0rMorpog_PC: everytime this happens i run tracker-control -rs18:50
Sail0rand the files appear after 30s or so18:50
Morpog_PCwhat does -rs do? --help didn't tell me anything useful18:51
Quureally super.18:51
Sail0ryou must run --help-all18:51
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Morpog_PCbetter :)18:51
chem|stMorpog_PC: -es fixes it most of the time18:51
Sail0r  -r, --hard-reset                 Kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases and -s for start I also tried it with -e instead of -r but this doesn't help all the time18:51
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Morpog_PC-r sounds scary18:52
chem|stSail0r: r kills files e kills files and touches new ones18:52
Morpog_PCat least on N9 that killed all contacts and SMS18:52
Sail0rit only happens every 10-15 boots for me18:52
Sail0rso both kill the files?18:52
chem|stMorpog_PC: ehrm what?18:52
chem|stSail0r: should do yes18:53
Sail0rk thx18:53
Morpog_PCchem|st, yep18:53
chem|stread the help says something like "same as -r but creates new files18:53
Morpog_PCpeople used to N900 recommened lots of N9 users to do tracker hard reset and they all were doomed :D18:54
chem|stMorpog_PC: I reset DB and every thing on N9 quiet a few times but never "lost" anything18:54
Sail0rso as you said the same only on -e empty files are initialized18:54
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Sail0rI did this command for 5 times since I have my Jolla and everything is still fine :)18:54
Sail0rbut no warranty ;)18:55
chem|stSail0r: did it like 20 times now as all for a sudden without doing anything over time my microsd was not sourced anymore18:55
chem|stwithout rebooting18:55
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Sail0rrebooting does not help for me in most times18:56
Sail0ronly -rs brings my media back18:56
Morpog_PCrebooting usually helps me18:58
Morpog_PCbut it's annoying18:59
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Morpog_PCfound a way19:01
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Morpog_PCkillall tracker-store19:02
Morpog_PCkillall tracker-miner-fs19:02
Morpog_PCtracker-control -s19:02
Morpog_PCthat helped19:02
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Sail0ris this different from -rs ^^19:05
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Morpog_PCwell, no databases get deleted19:06
Morpog_PCI guess :)19:06
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Morpog_PCVote for it pls: https://together.jolla.com/question/24292/bug-tracker-doesnt-mine-sdcard-sometimes/19:07
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Morpog_PCNow need to do a sh for it and create an icon :)19:08
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KabouikCan someone experience with W8/Linux dualboots confirm me that I'll get boot issues if I try to install Mint 16 x64 on a computer with preinstalled W8.1 and UEFI? I read a lot of reports on the internet that Grub will fail to install and that I may lose boot menu, but no easy how-to to follow19:14
chem|stMorpog_PC: sorry Morpog_PC but I need to find the original post and mark yours as duplicate...19:14
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Morpog_PComg, but I got a solution :(19:14
KabouikI'm definitely lost here. Really want to install a Linux distro, but I can't believe how hard it became to have a working dual boot on an UEFI computer. This is sick, I'm not skilled enough to achieve it19:15
YanielKabouik: I ditched grub completely19:15
chem|stKabouik: UEFI is a known problem cause19:15
YanielI have win7 and arch linux on a UEFI system19:15
Yanieland tbh booting windows sucks :D19:15
Yanielbecause it reorders the boot menu19:15
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chem|stYaniel: do you know about that installer review a few years back?19:16
Yanielso everytime I boot windows and want to go back to linux I have to go through the UEFI setup (or use the one time boot menu)19:16
KabouikHow did you achieve it Yaniel? I'm not really experienced, and the guides I found give me headache19:16
Yanielchem|st: hmm?19:16
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chem|stsomeone reviewed the windows-installer loke any other OS installer19:16
Kabouikhttp://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html Perhaps this could help me?19:17
Yanielif it works :D19:17
YanielI had that before19:17
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Yanielbut then it broke and I spent a day trying to fix it19:17
chem|stthe cracking part is "and wtf it destroys all MBR records and puts itself as sole system to boot"19:17
Yanielchem|st: yep19:17
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Yanielguess what it does that everytime it boots19:18
chem|stthe whole review was fun to read19:18
Yanieldunno about the MBR part as the disk is GPT19:18
KabouikSo I really have no option, doesn't matter how hard I wanted to install a distro, this has became a lot too tricky for me now with UEFI19:18
chem|stwell that was for viste or even 2k installer19:18
Yanielmm yeah that's why it was advised to install windows first, then linux :D19:18
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attahchem|st: I assume i have you to thank for one or a few upvotes.. so thanks!19:20
YanielKabouik: I use gummiboot now; it is simple enough and gets the job done19:20
ajaijjajare most of computers or laptops now sold with UEFI?19:20
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attahnow if i only could solicit some comments ;P19:20
KabouikBut how do you do it if you have an existing W8 OS running Yaniel? If I try to install Mint 16, it'll try to use Grub19:20
KabouikAnd may either hide W8 boot entry, Mint entry, or whole boot menu (if I understand correctly)19:21
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chem|stattah: are you sure? need to check and change if applicable^^19:24
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attahchem|st: O.o19:25
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chem|stKabouik: don't know about mint but as it is coming from debian/ubuntu you should have full UEFI/secureboot support, if not you should file a bugreport as always19:27
KabouikThat is what I read on a webpage, and then I read ONLY reports of issues. :/19:28
chem|styou might be unable to install with secureboot on19:28
KabouikI'm going to post on the Mint forums, got no proper options on the linuxmint-help IRC channel. :/19:28
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KabouikI don't mind secureboot, I already had to turn it off for booting the LiveDVD19:28
KabouikWhat bothers me is the possibility that I lose my Windows boot entry19:29
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chem|stKabouik: from a short google I read that mint16 does not cause any problems but with dualbooting ubuntu as it for some reason uses teh bootentry of ubuntu and therefore overwrites it if already there19:32
KabouikI read that too, and it almost dried my tears out19:33
KabouikBut I also read the opposite a billion times :(19:33
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Kabouikhttp://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=157960 Exemple (the only howto I found, and it gave me brain cancer)19:34
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chem|stMorpog_PC: did you recognize that tagging is not very useful if you use 5 tags and only two are used correctly^^ better don't tag then please - tag what you have and with what you have... so "bug tracker microsd" please19:36
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Morpog_PCit affects media player, doesn't it?19:37
Yanieland $app19:38
Yanielif $app happens to use tracker19:38
Yanielso your point is moot19:38
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chem|stMorpog_PC: no it doesn't19:43
chem|stmediaplayer works just fine...19:43
chem|st(it is an app name afaik so no space or trace)19:44
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chem|stwell you could argue that all people will recognize it as a mediaplayer problem...19:45
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chem|stbut tags are used for search in deep, I'd guess $user uses the search bar19:45
CoderCandySomething made the input field on the natove IRC app borked19:45
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Morpog_PCI got your point chem|st :D19:46
CoderCandyI only see the top half of the letters19:46
CoderCandynative*19:46
Morpog_PCCoderCandy, you need the latest release19:46
chem|stMorpog_PC: Yaniel did not19:46
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CoderCandySigh, I guess I'll fix that when I get home19:47
Morpog_PCCoderCandy, https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases19:47
chem|stMorpog_PC: but for you to clarify, use the header for pointing out that $app does something and tag the actual cause, makes it easier to filter19:47
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CoderCandyThanks morg19:48
CoderCandymorpog*19:48
Morpog_PCwill do next time chem|st and also will have a search first :D19:48
CoderCandyIs there a.windows.sdk for jolla?19:49
CoderCandyOr do I need to use my sloow old lappy?19:49
Nicd-the SDK works on windows too19:49
Morpog_PCwindows sdk is available19:49
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CoderCandySweet, my desktop is windows cause games19:50
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tobiskihmm, the newets update was supposed to fix the tohd battery draining problem and yet after 12 hours I have only 5% left ;o19:55
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attahtobiski: I'm at about 40 hours and 54% O.o19:56
attahi.e. same performance i had when turning it off manually19:57
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tobiskiI do have mobile data connection on 24/7 but before update I had tohd service disabled and could last for two days19:57
tobiskiafter the update I enabled the tohd service again but this is the result19:57
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HarhaanJohtajahave you used tethering app?19:57
tobiskinope19:58
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attahtobisky: i only had it "stopped", did you have it masked?19:59
tobiskiattah: yes19:59
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attahtobisky: hmm, maybe that interfered with the update somehow.. since you said you turned it back on after..20:00
attahtobisky: maybe you could try and re-install the service (sorry don't know the pkcon magic for that)20:01
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attahtobisky: at your own risk of course.. just throwing ideas around..20:02
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attahor btw.. fist check which version of tohd is installed..20:02
attah*first20:02
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tobiskiand how do I find that out?20:05
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attahpkcon search name tohd20:05
tobiskinormal or sudo?20:05
attahnormal nemo20:05
attahmine says tohd-1.2.1-10.3.1.jolla.armv7hl20:06
tobiskitohd-1.2.1-10.3.1.jolla.armv7hl20:06
tobiskisame one20:06
attahoh well... worth a shot20:06
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tobiskiand nfc plugin is tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp-1.2.2-10.2.1.jolla.armv7hl20:06
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attahyep20:07
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attahstill thinking that reinstall might help.. but that could be dangerous too20:07
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attahmaybe try and find a nice sailor to guide you better..20:07
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tobiskihttps://together.jolla.com/question/21595/is-it-ok-to-install-system-update-with-tohdservice-masked-and-stopped/20:08
tobiskiapparently that is not the reason20:08
attahanyway.. you could try stopping it to make sure.. so we're not barking up the wrong tree so to say..20:08
attahokay then :)20:09
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tobiskibut could try to stop the service after the phone is fully loaded and see if it drains as fast as today20:09
Yanielpowertop all the things?20:09
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tobiskiYaniel: can you give exact commands?20:10
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tobiskior is it just powertop?20:10
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tobiskicommand not found20:11
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Yanielit is in mer-tools I guess20:12
tobiskiso pkcon install mer-tools?20:13
Yanielno, ssu er mer-tools20:13
Yanielthen pkcon install powertop20:13
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tobiskiis it supposed to be ssu ar mer-tools?20:15
Yanielit should be pre-added so just er20:16
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Yaniel(enable repo)20:16
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tobiskioh, need to pkcon refresh20:16
Yanielyeah20:16
tobiskidid not know that :)20:16
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tobiskiit says a hell of a "model-specifi register (WSR) not found"20:19
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tobiskitry enabling CONFIG_X86_WSR20:20
tobiskior MSR it is20:20
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tobiskiYaniel: can I somehow but the output into a file?20:21
Yanielif it is non-interactive20:22
* Yaniel never used powertop20:22
Yanielcommand > filename20:22
Yanielwrites stdout to filename20:22
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tobiskidoes this make sense to anyone? http://pastebin.com/9BNL1qHA20:26
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tobiskior is the output pure rubbish and should even look like that, I have a strong feeling it shouldn't20:27
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tobiskioh, ok now I found the correct way to look at it20:31
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tobiskihttp://pastebin.com/np606Mke20:33
tobiskiCan anyone tell if something is wrong based on that?20:33
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Yaniellots of wlan usage20:36
Yanielbut I don't know what a normal level is for that20:37
tobiskiwell yes for now, I connected it through wlan so I could get the powertop on my pc screen20:37
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tobiskinormally wlan is off20:37
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Abby30 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6920:47
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Yanielthis is getting old20:48
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QuuStskeeps: Aard20:51
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tobiskiok, now I got nice page to check the power consumption: http://tobiski.zapto.org/powertop.html20:53
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Quuok, reported that abby-thingie to freenode staff.20:54
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johai'm thinking of ordering a jolla device21:14
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johais there good case for it, and has anyone tried the hebrew/arabic keyboards (posted by users in MTO)21:15
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Quuno, havent tested em21:16
Quucould try out but dont know the language(s)..21:17
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jubo2I'm happy with the progress21:38
jubo2I have my 3 mailboxes now functional21:38
jubo2and the calendar is syncing from our school's Exchange server21:39
jubo2I'm getting faster and more precise with the text entry method21:39
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jubo2I wish I had "Sync the whole works now"-icon21:42
jubo2then it gets everything from the synced calendars and I can forget about it21:42
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jubo2I'm getting a fuzzy reading on the synccing21:43
jubo2no way to force it21:43
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slatepulley refresh all?21:44
slateupdate, whatever21:44
jubo2I'd like it so that I edit calendar in web UI and then hit "SYNC!!"-button on mah phone and all the new entries get sucked in21:44
jubo2slate: all I got there is "manage calendars", "move to this day" and "make new event"21:45
slatefrom mailbox-vie21:45
slatew21:45
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jubo2slate: and that also updates the outlook calendar when I run the "sync" for emails ?21:46
slateat least on other devices it does21:47
slateHopefully Sailfish too.21:47
slateTry it and report back.21:47
TemeVit does sync calendar also when syncin emails21:48
TemeVatleast it looks that way for me21:48
slatebingoo.21:48
jubo2TemeV: awesome, tnx for the info21:48
TemeVbut refresh button at the account settings would still be nice21:49
TemeVand N9 style report of last sync21:49
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jubo2Yes. The email account synccing also syncced the calendar21:53
jubo2I may actually into truly electronic calendar..21:53
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jubo2I started using Linux in '96 ... I know about hardships and demands for user expertese21:55
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Quui might accidentally too21:57
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jubo2Then in21:58
jubo2nvrmnd21:58
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jubo2I have the calendar and I have the email22:00
jubo2I really wish the browser had tabs22:00
Quuit has.22:02
jubo2why I no see tabs?22:02
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Quudid you try to click the "tabs" button?22:02
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Abby21 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6922:03
eriolloanHi all, does anyone know how long do jolla care requests take to be reviewed and answered these days ?22:04
slateeriolloan: hopefully faster soon, since they had 2 jobs open there last month22:04
slate:)22:04
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eriolloannice ;)22:05
eriolloananyone who bought a jolla on jolla.com ever had to send it for repairs ?22:05
eriolloan:s22:06
slateNope, but whats the problem?22:06
eriolloanfailed update, lots of help from aard and sksteeps but they're at a loss too22:07
slate:/ damn. And not located in .fi?22:07
eriolloanguess I might end up doing just that22:07
eriolloannope22:07
eriolloanjolla care has no info about that22:07
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eriolloanthat's a bit stressful22:07
eriolloan:)22:07
slateI feel you.22:07
eriolloan(it almost worked for an hour haha)22:08
slateMy device got in to a bootloop also today. But pulling out the battery helped. Device crashed when launching the camera, causing a bootloop.22:08
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eriolloanok then thank you slateā€¦ mine seem to be a hard thing to fix (22:09
ballockwasn't there supposed to be a bootloader unlock in 1.0.3.8?22:09
ballockperhaps that would be of some help?22:09
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ballockbut, I guess you'd need to have a functional device to get through it :p22:09
eriolloanit failed going from 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.smth22:09
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Quu522:10
eriolloanright22:10
Quuleft22:10
eriolloanok22:10
slateeriolloan: lets hope they get the service sorted out quickly. Outside .fi also.22:10
* eriolloan crosses fingers and waits22:10
slate:)22:10
eriolloanthank you anyway22:10
eriolloangood night !22:11
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slateHmm, he was from montpellier, just got back to .fi from there a week ago. Could have taken the device to service :p22:13
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jubo2Haha.. I still remember that Marseillian gangster..22:25
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jubo2without his gap, without his papers and without his moneys, lost in Sueden..22:26
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jubo2That is the fate of the marsellian gangster.. Paperless, languageless, moneyless, prlly doesn't even know in which country he is..22:42
jubo2and without the gap, especially the gap22:42
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TMavicadoes anyone got homessrren problem, cant swipe left right down after alarm?23:09
TMavicaI mean in apps, only can swipe up23:10
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TMavicaswitch off and on fix it23:10
TMavicahapoen 2 times after alarm when i wake23:10
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bennypr0faneguys, is it possible to upload multiple photos from Gallery to Facebook in one go? I couldn't figure it out23:41
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artemmarrr, releasing resource via autoRelease works and resource conflict is not crashing device anymore, but.. I cannot acquire resource the second time, it is never granted23:45
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clauTMavica, maybe you are seeing this problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/23257/1038-introduced-bug-in-app-minimizing-and-close/23:47
TMavicathx!!23:48
artemmaah no, still crashing device sometimes even with autorelease23:48
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Dima^https://twitter.com/dimatsvetkov/status/430851399635980288 so shall it be23:54

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