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Abby27 I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6900:07
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doctorinserenityIs there a way to permanently lower the brightness of the screen LED? I always had my N900 on the lowest brightness setting and the screen is sucking up a lot of power on my Jolla for brightness I don't need01:50
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doctorinserenity(The problem is that the brightness level slider doesn't go low enough)01:54
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rcgElleo, jfyi https://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/#post-id-2692907:02
rcgsee the edit07:02
rcgthis is pretty crude but it works at least07:02
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Pnuudoctorinserenity: I'd like that too07:38
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rangoyhi. is there a way of increasing the GPS update frequency? It seems like i get only updates every ~30. seconds (in android apps at least). Is there any native apps for testing GPS?08:13
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Dima^rangoy: GPSInfo08:15
rangoyDima^: where can i find that?08:15
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Dima^warehouse08:16
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Dima^https://openrepos.net/content/balta/gpsinfo08:17
Dima^or you can dowload and install by yourself08:18
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rangoynice... why is anroid apps getting slower updates?08:26
rangoyhmm.. now gps status get updates every second.. strange08:28
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c0ck4m0u53How to disable waking up the phone when pressing volume button?09:34
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rangoys141EeAICBv09:37
Sail0r!09:37
jake9xxmight wanna change your pw rangoy :)09:37
suygood password :)09:37
Yanielimpressive passwords right there09:37
Yanielhow do you even remember that09:37
Sail0rkeepass? xD09:37
Yanielmeh09:38
rangoyjust terminal in pocket09:38
jake9xxYaniel: my passwords are like that as well, guess the stress after returning from holidays...09:38
AL13N_worksuy: bad password09:38
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AL13N_worknot enough chars and no "special" chars09:38
rcghi09:38
rcgis there any way to get the information about which song is currently playing?09:39
AL13N_workwow, so you guys have all bad passwords :-)09:39
rangoymy passwords has special chars too.. that was only "pocket calling" to irc09:39
rcgideally along with artist and album :)09:39
AL13N_workrcg: iinm media player doesn't have dbus?09:39
AL13N_workif it does, you could get it from there09:39
suyAL13N_work: depends on the use case. I don't use "special" chars normally. My lengths are better, of course.09:39
rcgAL13N, it doesn09:39
AL13N_workrangoy: sure, we believe you!09:39
rcgt09:39
EztranBear in mind the top password apparently changed from 'password'... to '12345'. Everyone has bad passwords.09:39
AL13N_workindeed09:40
rcgAL13N, iirc, there were some hacks to work around the missing dbus functionality09:40
AL13N_workyes, but that's qml wrapping09:40
AL13N_workthough maybe the qml has info on that too09:40
AL13N_workbut it's guessing since you don't have the source on the objects09:40
rangoyYes, but who set's a secure password for a site you register to only get a download link?09:40
AL13N_workrcg you could ask jolla programmers for the qml object exposure wrt to that09:41
AL13N_workbut ideally more apps use DBUS09:42
AL13N_workcause that would be a good way to secure it09:42
rcgAL13N_work, well, iirc, someone kinda solved that problem already.. i just forgot the link and don't happen to find it again09:42
rcgthe dbus <-> c++ interaction is a no-brainer, imho09:43
rcgi just need to find the right spot to look into09:43
Sail0rthat's like the registration for ccnp security which allows only pws with uppercase and numbers ... no special chars and only 8 chars.09:43
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rcg*err qml <-> c++09:43
AL13N_workSage: ping... i spoke too soon, i had the issues this morning... it might be that it worked due to lease still active or something09:43
rcgif there was dbus available that would be ideal but right now we need to work around this limitation09:44
AL13N_workrcg: lol09:44
AL13N_workrcq: iinm the qml wrappers are in code... maybe you could look at the strings and guess what you can use :-)09:45
AL13N_workor symbols09:45
rcgAL13N, ?09:45
rcgAL13N_work, ^09:45
AL13N_work?09:45
rcgAL13N_work, the problem is not the qml wrapping.. it's that i don't know how to get the information from the running media player instance09:46
AL13N_workyes09:46
rcgor are there already readily usable objects that provide that information out of the box?09:46
rcgi found some implementation that seems to mess with pulse audio (?!) in order to get that information but i hoped for an easier way09:47
AL13N_workwhat i mean is that there's QML wraps on objects to be able to use it in qml... so, possibly the current song might be available through QML, it's just that you don't know where it is and you'd need to guess09:47
rcgAL13N_work, alright, gotcha09:47
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rcgi will grep through the qml stuff that's publicly visible then09:48
AL13N_workin order to guess less, you could look at the qml wrappers for the object or look at the string or symbols of that09:48
rcge.g., some portions of the media player code are in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/mediaplayer09:48
AL13N_workor hope the current qml uses it already and you can copy paste09:48
rcgbut my hopes are rather low that there will be something like this out of the box already.. will look though nonetheless09:49
AL13N_workmaybe if you look at the bottom playing panel or the context menu, which has the current song09:49
AL13N_workand use the same hack, write it into xml to disk and poll from your app :-)09:49
AL13N_workthis is really dirty stuff...09:49
rcgAL13N_work, my guess is that this is all handled within the media player app itself without any reasonable ipc09:49
AL13N_workstill, the qml pages would show the current song in the pulldown menu09:50
AL13N_workright?09:50
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rcgAL13N_work, hehe, indeed.. this is pretty dirty business09:50
rcgAL13N_work, yeah, but it's still inside the media player app so there is no need for ipc at all?09:51
AL13N_workwell, i thought you needed the current song somewhere else?09:51
rcgyep09:51
AL13N_workthat in a way is some kind of IPC :-)09:51
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rcgi'm just saying that your example of the pulldown menu etc. there is no ipc involved so i am doubtful of having something like that already implemented09:52
rcgi am looking for some sort of ipc09:52
AL13N_workthe other hack i saw, added a timer to the jolla app09:52
rcgAL13N_work, yep, that's my hack :)09:53
rcgbut reading is easy as this can be done via the xml list model09:53
AL13N_workright09:53
rcgwriting to the fs via pure qml is more tricky09:53
AL13N_workah, writing is the tricky part...09:53
AL13N_workcan't you write a xml model too?09:53
rcgone could use the local storage db but that seems to be on per app basis09:53
rcgafaik not09:53
AL13N_workuse /tmp/09:54
rcghttps://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquick/qmlmodule-qtquick-localstorage2-qtquick-localstorage-2.html09:55
rcge.g.09:55
rcgafaik you cannot specify the path where the db will be stored09:55
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rcgafaik it is a per app singleton for the given name09:55
rcgand i am not aware of other mechanisms in pure qml to write data to some place09:56
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Grauwolfhello! my jolla device is on my way to me and i'm getting really excited about writing software for it. what are the options for developing sailfish applications. from what i'v seen the best way to go seems to be c++. this is good enough for me but what other options exist? python with pyqt? java?10:02
rcgGrauwolf, have a look at qml and the silica components10:03
rcghttps://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/index.html10:03
rcghi btw :)10:03
Grauwolf:)10:04
rcgimho, the best combination is qt + qml10:04
rcgbut there are of course other options as well :)10:04
Grauwolfrcg: well. c++ it is :D10:06
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jake9xxGrauwolf: get the sdk, study the examples - you'll get the idea. Even the template app we provide is 'good to go' i.e. it is a real application.10:11
jake9xxGrauwolf: for UI the best way fwd is QML and if you need some processing magic et al - use Qt5/c++10:11
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rcg;)10:12
Grauwolfjake9xx: thanks. will try to get the hang of it. my c++ knowledge got a littlebit rusty over the years10:12
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Venemohey guys10:37
stephgNING!10:37
tbrmooo10:38
Venemofor everyone who remembers the community roundtable, tbr and myself are putting up the topics to together10:38
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/13605/visible-open-source-app-community-supported-by-jolla/10:38
Venemohttps://together.jolla.com/question/27052/roundtable-discussion-jolla-harbour-apis/10:38
VenemoI'll make a thread about the other topics ASAIC10:38
Venemoin the meantime, please chime in to the discussions :)10:39
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Venemotbr: do you recall anything about the APIs discussion worth to add to my post?10:41
AL13N_workVenemo: i was gonna do a similar thing with app-sec topic10:41
tbrVenemo: have it open, will take a look later10:41
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Venemothanks tbr10:42
VenemoAL13N_work: ok then, security topic is yours :)10:42
AL13N_workwell, i don't recall everything, i was pretty much gonna say what lbt and me discussed technically and drop the rest, but that might not be fair10:44
AL13N_worki don't exactly have a good memory10:44
AL13N_workVenemo: if you remember the other points, i'll definately adjust/edit/add what you write10:45
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VenemoAL13N_work: ok, create the post and ping me when it's done, I'll try to recall what I can10:45
AL13N_workk10:45
AL13N_workVenemo: what about the stuff at the end?10:45
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VenemoAL13N_work: what stuff at the end?10:47
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AL13N_workafter the roundtable there was some "freewheeling" due to extra time, if you remember?10:50
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VenemoAL13N_work: yes, and I don't recall anything constructive from that time10:52
AL13N_workhehe10:52
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AL13N_workmaybe tbr will10:53
VenemoAL13N_work: basically people were at each other's throats suggesting to switch to deb, some guy wanted to use some ubuntu crap for app security, and David admitted he doesn't know how to solve some things in RPM10:53
tbrnot really10:53
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tbrwe managed to squeeze our brains in the timebox so much that not much came afterwards10:54
AL13N_worki remember you saying any topic we want to discuss further10:54
AL13N_workand silence10:54
AL13N_worklol10:54
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AL13N_workwait, there was a thing about the rpm dependencies wrt upgrades10:55
AL13N_workand the libresolv issues10:55
Venemobattery observation for today: being online (on mobile data) between 08:00 and 12:00 cost the Jolla battery to go from 100% to 75%10:56
Venemonow I'm connecting it to IRC and Skype and see what happens10:56
AL13N_workthe last 2 days, i forgot to charge battery10:56
AL13N_workit was at around 40% last night10:56
Venemowhich reminds me, does silent mode apply to skype?10:57
SageAL13N_work: :/10:57
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AL13N_workSage: myeah10:57
AL13N_workgonna go see when i get home if when i turn off IPv6 that it would go better10:57
Venemook, I'd rather not risk it10:58
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Grauwolfare there actually any more specific plans for when sailfish will be available for android-devices like nexus 5?11:22
tbrnothing has been announced, but given that there was a nice video, I'd expect not too long.11:23
Grauwolf:)11:23
Grauwolfhttp://www.talouselama.fi/nakoislehti/jolla+ceo+you+will+soon+be+able+turn+your+android+device+into+a+sailfish+device/a221838611:24
Stskeepssoon(TM) is a trademark of jolla oy11:25
zuttosoon(TM) cant be trademark of jolla11:25
zuttocause shitloads of other finnish companies use it too11:25
Accenever(TM) is trademark of other companies11:25
AL13N_workVenemo_j: tbr: lbt: i'm pretty bad at this: can anyone of you complete this post: https://together.jolla.com/question/27076/roundtable-discussion-application-security/11:26
ppJolla is not yallah ;)11:26
tachikomamh, yesterday i had the connection problem endless loop11:27
tachikomathat is really a ugly bug11:27
* lbt takes a loog11:27
lbtk11:27
tachikomakilled 50% of the battery in no time11:27
AL13N_worki have bad memory, i apologize, it's gonna need alot of re-editing11:27
tachikomaand only way to fix it was a areboot, as interaction with the phone was close to impossible11:27
AL13N_worklbt: i seem to have remembered only the points i was bringing :-)11:28
lainwir3dtachikoma: got it a couple of times11:29
lainwir3dtwo solutions : reboot11:29
Accewhy is "no additional security" one of the most prominent ideas?11:29
lainwir3dor sometimes putting the phone on plane mode quickly at the start of the bug helps11:29
lainwir3dand removing the plane mode after 30seconds11:30
AL13N_workAcce: prominent is relative :-)11:30
AL13N_workAcce: i donno, i just put everything i rembered in a structure i copied from Venemo_j 's post11:30
Venemo_jAL13N_work: moment, I'm at class11:31
Acceok, let's see what pops up11:31
AL13N_worknp11:32
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cchahey what happened to my device to boot loop ? I fixed it, but I want to know what happended11:40
chem|stccha: please elaborate11:41
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jake9xxccha: sw version + description what happened11:45
jake9xxpls11:45
chem|stfaik I just received a shipping confirmation for tohs from sjc11:46
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AL13N_workchem|st: did you order the black?11:47
ccha1.0.3.811:48
cchaI want to start setting app,... the setting app start and immediately close11:49
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cchathen I switch on other application, but on this application, everything is freeze11:49
cchaI can't close the application neither switch to apps screen11:50
cchathen red led binded11:51
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cchasince everything is stuck, I remove the battery11:51
cchabut when I start again the divice, it boots loop11:52
Pnuutry keeping the battery out for 10 minutes11:52
cchaI fixed with jolla recovero howto11:53
cchaPnuu: I trying to keep out only 5minutes, and nothing11:54
cchaI want to know what happended11:54
cchawhat do btrfs revovery ?11:55
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cchathat fixed it11:55
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jubo2What are the camera and video camera specs for Jolla ykspistenolla ?12:06
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lbtAL13N_work: I have the same memory issues - my excuse is that my brain filled up a few years back12:15
Sail0routsource to the cloud ;)12:17
AL13N_workSail0r: i don't like the cloud, especially not in relation to security :-)12:17
Sail0rhehe12:18
AL13N_workthere's a local commercial where they say something like: your contacts and pictures just became more mobile and fell into your soup or worse ... in the toilet12:18
AL13N_worki always think: "or worse ... on facebook"12:19
AL13N_workSail0r: so no, i'd want complete control over everything12:20
AL13N_work"trust noone"12:20
mornfallnot even yourself12:20
jubo2I heard about Diaspora* in #jollamobile .. now been hosting a pod for half-a-year12:20
mornfallis it useful?12:21
jubo2I don't like the data silo and the data furnace of facebook and twitter12:21
dschoepethe annoying thing is that cloud services (like dropbox, etc.) _could_ respect your privacy, if they open-source their clients and do all the encryption completely on the client-side without the key being known to the server12:21
mornfalltwitter is at least public data only12:21
mornfalldschoepe: that is hardly in their interest though12:22
Sail0rIf i have to use a not private cloud12:22
mornfallalso, usability12:22
Sail0ri always use truecrypt12:22
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dschoepemornfall: well, I suppose that there are people willing to pay for something like that. Spideroak kind of relies on that, but then fucks with people by saying "Stuff is totally private here, no backdoors! Now go download our proprietary, closed-source client!"12:24
Sail0rthe problem is so many people are trying to force others to use unencrypted things12:24
dschoepeOf course for a business model like Facebook's or Google's, that won't help12:24
Sail0rbecause they are "easier"!12:24
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mornfallget tahoe, or write a frontend to dropbox...12:25
mornfalland an otr chat client12:26
jubo2especially since according to RMS almost all proprietary OS'es are detrimental to the user handing all urr dataz to NSA et al12:26
mornfallhowever, talking to 'normals' is gonna be painful12:27
jubo2Trying to figure out what code is potential of doing if not see source12:27
jubo2he said there are backdoors that allow the corporations to manipulate what code is run on your computer in both Windows and OS X12:28
dschoepeI suppose the silver lining of the NSA revelations is that it made it easier to get people to use PGP / OTR / etc.12:29
mornfallnot much easier12:29
mornfallcrypto is a bother12:30
jubo2dschoepe: what's OTR ?12:31
Yanieloff-the-record12:31
Yanielchat encryption12:32
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Yanieldone in the client12:32
dschoepeand it has pretty neat properties, such as perfect forward secrecy and deniability12:33
jubo2Espionage is not regulated by law our law teacher told us12:33
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jubo2all the countries do signal intelligence on others but also on their own people12:34
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jubo2'k .. maybe not all countries do signal intelligence.. one must have the infrastructure to do so12:36
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jubo2but those that do spy on foreign people but also own people12:37
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jubo2then again there you go for using non-encrypted http-connections..12:38
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mornfalleven otr is susceptible to metadata attacks and timing correlations12:41
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mornfalllife's hard12:42
Yanielyep12:44
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Yanielbut not having plaintext is a big step forward12:44
mornfallunless you have huge amount of bandwidth to spare anything realtime is out of question12:44
Yaniel*plaintext messages12:44
mornfallthat can help yes12:45
Yanielwell... irc and IM is pretty much realtime12:45
Yanielvoice calls should be doable with decent bandwith too12:45
mornfallbut if you live in an oppressive regime, association to wrong people is all they need12:45
Yanieltrue12:45
ballockI am wondering if NSA automatically tries decrypting messages with rot13. Might be a better deal than SSL :p12:46
Yanieland that "association" is easy to get12:46
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AL13N_workassociation is quite relative... look at the 3hop thing from US12:47
AL13N_workwhere one known terrorist has several millions of associated US citizens12:47
AL13N_work(non-US citizens are free game anyway)12:48
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mornfalleverybody is fair game to someone12:48
Yanielyep12:49
AL13N_workthis reminds me,... anyone seen this: http://www.thelocal.se/20140210/swedish-expert-called-to-disarm-norway-fermented-herring-stink-bomb ?12:49
Yanieland what you define as a hop can also be varied a bit12:49
mornfalljealous exes ftw12:49
Yanielheck I bet I have more criminal "contacts" than is healthy just from hanging on (relatively normal, say, #haskell) irc channels12:53
leinirHmm... yup, BBM works on Jolla :)12:56
leinirThe notifications are not working right (guessing that's an artefact of how the android layer works), but other than that it's pretty good :)12:57
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rangoyis it possible to read gps info from a command line?14:16
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tachikomadeshalb istb es auch ein science fiction buch und keine anleitung fuer die naechsten 100 jahre ...14:24
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tachikomaups14:24
tachikomathe daily fuckup14:24
Sailor003there he goes again :)14:25
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Grauwolfwow. my jolla device just arrived and is ready to pick up at the airport. that was fast. especially after they said that it will take 2-3 weeks14:31
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Sailor003mine has three yellow dots on the lower display border14:32
Sailor003it took 2 weeks until support replied my request14:32
StskeepsGrauwolf: how long did it take?14:33
Sailor003and now it's almost another two weeks since I replied that support mail and did not yet get an answer14:33
vatteStskeeps: just to let you know, I did a factory reset on the phone, without upgrading sailfish, and still I'm facing random shutdowns14:33
Stskeepsvatte: ok, that's. .. good14:34
GrauwolfStskeeps: ordered about 5 days ago14:34
vatteeven though I didn't have them for the first few weeks I had the Jolla14:34
Grauwolfand damn is fedex quick14:34
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Sailor003vatte: great! - I just thought "at least mine is working fine besides those dots.."..14:34
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pawkyIs it just me, or do you also experience the E-mail polling is not really using its sync values? sometimes it doesn't sync for hours... at other times it follows the schedule...14:34
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Sailor003the cover is not updating14:35
Sailor003but I think the client itself is14:35
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Sailor003for cover there is already a bug report at together@jollausers.com14:35
claupawky: it's a known problem14:35
pawkyclau: have anyone figured out its workings, when it fails and when not?14:36
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clauyes14:36
pawkyclau: keen to share?14:36
claumine is working almost correctly14:36
clauyes, very keen14:36
pawkyclau: yes, very shary...14:36
pawkyclau: so it's sporadically not doing the update, but mostly so, like mine?14:37
clauone moment14:37
clauI'm actually on phone right now...14:37
clauhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-erratic-email-syncing-problem/14:38
pawkyclau: Thank you :-)14:39
clauignore the ag-tool part, that's creating more problems than it fixes14:39
claubbl14:39
pawkyclau: ok14:39
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Sailor003how much battery does it consume after the change?14:46
Sailor003WLAN on, SIM active, but mobile data off, my battery would last around 15 days14:46
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Sailor003clau: did you saw any change in your battery usage?14:51
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rcgalright, got it15:20
rcghttps://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/#post-id-2692915:21
rcgdbus interaction with media player, the (hopefully) proper way15:21
rcgElleo, ^15:21
WntI have added some new contacts to my Google account via https://www.google.com/contacts/u/0/#contacts How can I refresh the contacts from linked Google account on the device?15:21
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Elleorcg: cool15:25
Elleorcg: will have a play with that at the weekend if I manage to find time :)15:25
rcg:)15:25
rcgorg.nemomobile.dbus is pretty cool and straight forward :)15:26
Elleoneat15:26
rcgElleo, btw. the qml implementation keeps improving.. slowly, but it improves.. didn't really have time to do anything the past weeks15:27
Elleoglad to hear it15:27
Elleoif I ever get a free moment I'll see about starting a rockwatch rewrite based around it for both sailfish and ubuntu touch15:27
rcgi also changed the license to match the original libpebble license btw15:27
Elleookay15:27
rcgwell, there are still lots of things missing but help is always appreciated ;)15:28
rcgElleo, btw. some days ago i succeeded in uploading my first watchface via the qml implementation as well :)15:28
Elleoheh15:28
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gena2xradekp, Hi Radek, have you bought Jolla too? =)16:35
radekpgena2x: hi, yup :)16:36
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radekpgena2x: you too?16:37
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gena2xradekp: Yes, in January =) Cool! You know, I faced Jolla charging problems last weekend... that reminded me that FR were ideal at charging =)16:38
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Pnuuhmm16:38
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PnuuI've had the phone off the charger since saturday morning, still at 34 %16:39
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Pnuuofc, the use has been quite light16:39
radekpgena2x: i had too, but after reboot all was fine, btw you might be interested in this: https://github.com/radekp/jolla-battery-monitor/releases/tag/v1.016:40
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gena2xPnuu: on saturday i connected mine to charger, where it spend whole night. and on the morning at were charged to 0%, than i had in front of my girlfried (who is microsoft database developer) to pull it 10 times into different chargers16:42
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Pnuugena2x: latest software? and did it only show 0 %, or was it actually out of charge?16:43
gena2xPnuu, and after a while, couple of battery insert/removals i were able to charge it enough to boot main os.16:43
gena2xPnuu: latest. in show 0%16:44
Pnuuok16:44
radekpgena2x: i think it sometimes fails to start charging even tho charging icon is displayed16:44
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gena2xradekp, do not really want to investigate this.16:44
PnuuIIRC I had one such occasion with an older software, right after I got the phone16:45
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radekpgena2x: sure16:46
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radekpgena2x: still i am very happy with the device and os - i guess it will keep improving (but i am already happy now)16:49
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gena2xradekp: got distracted (still at work), yeah it is in very usable state. I like it much too so far - much better than i expected.17:02
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gena2xradekp: and it is really very appealing - in all sences: technically, visually, in usability. bugs are really minor.17:05
valdur55_|/nick valdur5517:05
valdur55_wtf17:06
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radekpgena2x: yup, i am impressed too and the i2c + charging options for TOH, they are brilliant - i always wanted something like this (e.g. for solar charging)17:09
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gena2xradekp: Nice app btw, thank you. Good start!17:20
radekpgena2x: but it seems that charge_now is updated only very rarely, so the results are quite strange...17:21
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radekpgena2x: you might also want to disable the timer and update the graph manually - i am not sure if the timer keeps device from sleeping...17:22
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ShadowJKAlso, uPower logs to /var/lib/uPower or something like that, so you might not need to poll battery yourself17:23
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radekpShadowJK: looks interesting, thanks17:27
louisdkAny finish people that knows if http://akkunetti.fi is a good place to shop?17:28
jubo2I lost yet another almost written SMS17:28
Pnuuhow do you manage that?17:29
jubo2to not to be able to swipe left to go back to the editing UI that is there is just friggen stupid17:29
jubo2"Look Mom. No buttons! No buttons!" ~ jolla devels17:30
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Pnuujolla devs <317:30
jubo2Pnuu: I manage it by swiping in either diretion and then the draft goes away and cannot be retrieved17:30
jubo2even my Made in Finlan NOK E75 has a drafts folder for SMS in case the user fumbles up17:31
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Pnuuwell, don't do that then :-)17:31
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jubo2Pnuu: the phone is stupid if it doesn't have a "drafts"-folder and USE IT TO SAVE DRAFTS17:32
FireFlyWell, that's clearly something that should be fixed (not saving a draft, that is) IMO17:33
jubo2Now I have to tap 5 minutes all over again just because some techwanker thought it cool to not save drafts in drafts folder but lose them and have no way to navigate back to them17:33
Pnuuif you find it that bad, have you reported it to together?17:34
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ShadowJKlouisdk; what would you buy from there?17:37
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ShadowJKI was going to reply, but I mistook it for another shop :)17:39
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louisdkShadowJK: This  case: http://akkunetti.fi/uutuudet/puhelintarvikkeet-nayton-suojakalvot/jolla-musta-nahkakotelo-flip-case-insmat-exclusive-17:41
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ShadowJKah17:41
ShadowJKcool17:41
louisdkShadowJK: But as I can't read finish I don't know if they ship to Denmark. And it's the only online shop I found that have it in stock.17:43
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Pnuulouisdk: seems to be only .fi17:45
Pnuulouisdk: but try asking info@akkunetti.fi if they'd ship it abroad17:45
ShadowJKthe terms do say smth like "we sell products to company, government, municipal, organisational, institutional, and private customers in finland" :(17:45
kehnooyou could get some finn to buy and ship it to you?17:46
louisdkI've send them an email and will wait for answer :)17:47
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Nicd-so I did the 10 min battery removal, lasted for 2 days 16 hours17:54
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Nicd-then another shutdown17:54
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rcgNicd-, hmm.. i had a pretty bad reboot loop "session" last friday.. removing the battery fixed that at least17:57
rcgjfyi17:57
rcgfwiw17:57
Nicd-so tempted to return for warranty repair... but they just might send a faulty one back17:59
Nicd-and it would cost jolla :/17:59
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Pnuuhope they find a software fix for that18:01
Nicd-yep18:01
louisdkDoes the Jolla phone have a specific name or is it just Jolla?18:02
Nicd-it's Jolla18:02
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tango_what will they do when they get a new one out? call it jolla 2: revenge of the jolla?18:06
Pnuuwe'll see18:06
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AL13NNicd-: so far my 10min removal worked well18:15
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AL13Nafter 2 days and 16 hours, it sounds normal that you got a shutdown18:15
Nicd-normal?18:15
AL13N2d 16h, seems like normal battery time?18:16
Nicd-I used it normally, I recharge it every night18:16
AL13Noic18:16
PeperJohnnyI can get it to two days as well, so seems pretty ok18:16
Nicd-battery was at about 70 % when the shutdown happened18:16
AL13Nafter my battery removal, i forgot to charge and charged last night18:17
AL13Nwhen it got to 40%18:17
AL13Ni haven't had a shutdown yet18:17
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louisdkI'm a QWERTY fan but I really don't know if I should upon aboard this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 - To me the keypad seems quite small and I hope a better QWERTY other half would be available.18:59
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Grauwolfi just picked-up my jolla device from the airport \o/19:04
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Yanielso for a while it was an... airship? :D19:08
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Grauwolfhrhr19:22
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Grauwolfdoing a ps auxxf on the jolla kinda reads like my desktop. i like it19:23
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starkersits pukka linux under the hood :)19:23
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jubo2#mmm.. I'm using the tethering app19:32
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jubo2It's always nice to have backup internets in case the main internets fail19:32
HtheBit drains the battery19:33
HtheBeven if its closed19:34
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jubo2it's good to know that if I forget my langaton mokkula I can still into internets19:35
PnuuHtheB: doesn't drain on my phone, if I first disable the tethering19:36
HtheBi didnt test it though19:36
HtheBjust read the reviews :p19:37
Grauwolfwow! /usr/bin/git19:37
HtheBGrauwolf: whats up?19:37
Grauwolfadding nmap and netcat this would be a sysadmins dream19:38
PnuuGrauwolf: well, that's natural, as the backup to ~nemo/.vault is a git repository :-)19:40
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Grauwolfi really see the potential of what sailfish might become19:41
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jubo2I still think it's a bunch of "Look Mom! No buttons!!"19:44
Pnuuget over it and stop whining ;-)19:44
jubo2given a drafts folder for any SMS messages19:45
jubo2or the possiblity to swipe back to the message editing19:45
Pnuuso you've posted that to together, good19:45
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jubo2It's a nice phone though a little pricey19:46
jubo2and the lack of analog radio is inexcusable.. I expect it to be in Jolla kaks-piste-nolla19:46
attahjubo2: in what parallell universe?19:47
jubo2PLL tuning revolutionized FM tuning19:47
jubo2especially in trains19:47
jubo2before PLL almost no reception at all19:48
jubo2then with PLL all channels are good19:48
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Yanielmake yourself a FM radio TOH if it is that important to you19:49
jubo2Yaniel: I cannot into circuit design19:49
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Grauwolfwhere do i get basic apps like music player? sailfish is pretty naked out of the box. are there official music-play apps?19:49
Grauwolf(i like the initial nakedness)19:50
YanielGrauwolf: you should have been asked at first boot what you want to install19:50
Yanielat least if you set up a jolla account19:50
svuorelaI needed to go into the store19:50
Yaniela/your19:50
GrauwolfYaniel: no :(19:50
Yanielyeah the apps are in the app store19:50
attahGrauwolf: that was in the setup guide thingy.. and now they are available from store19:50
Pnuuit's better to upgrade anyway19:50
GrauwolfYaniel: and i registered an account on first boot19:50
Yanielthere is a big button "basic apps by jolla" in the app store19:50
Pnuu+first19:50
Yanielyeah19:51
GrauwolfYaniel: ah sorry. overlooked that button. thanks19:51
Yanielsystem upgrade to 1.0.3.8 first thing19:51
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Grauwolfalready upgraded19:53
Yanielgreat19:54
Grauwolfso am i right that only the graphical shell of jolla is proprietary?19:54
Yanielthen just19:54
Yanielinstall all the things!19:54
Yanielfor now yes19:54
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Grauwolfhm. adding a twitter account seems to be broken. after consenting to the terms i get a short "Creating account..." and its back to the account overview where no twitter account is added20:03
MrCarlDrainBamaged20:03
minimecHi Sailors.20:05
minimecIs there a possibility to reload the app launcher (besides rebooting)? Most of the Android app icons do disappear from the app launcher after a Play Store update.20:05
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Venemokillall lipstick20:05
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minimecVenemo: Nice! THX.20:06
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Grauwolfhm. yandex store just installed itself after installing android support?20:14
Venemoyes20:14
lpotteras intended20:15
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Grauwolfand i don't seem to be able to uninstall it again?20:15
Pnuuandroid and yandex are tied together20:15
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Grauwolfso then how to uninstall the android thingy? it has no icon somewhere20:16
Pnuubut luckily I can managed without android apps :-)20:16
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Pnuuhmm20:16
Pnuucheck if it's visible in the store in "my apps"20:17
slateLuckily you dont have to open yandex.20:17
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GrauwolfPnuu: ah indeed. was possible to uninstall it from there. thanks20:18
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