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M4rtinKthere is a nice one with dogs from Mizmo: http://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide00:06
M4rtinKkinda illustrates the usecase for which selinux would be handy00:07
M4rtinKone dog (messaging daemon) needs to know plaintext passwords, but you don't want the other dog (random other app) to eat the plaintext password db00:09
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Grauwolfis there some kind of mailinglist or blog to follow to be up-to-date on sailfish?00:12
stephgofficial channels are the website, @JollaHQ on twitter and together.jolla.com00:13
stephgbeyond that there's a handful of sites that are 'on it' as is here and #sailfishos00:13
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stephgjollatides.com, jollausers.com, reviewjolla.blogspot.fi from the community00:14
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Grauwolfthanks00:15
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RST38x...achieve lift by running at high speeds while hyperventilating, a process which seems to pump air into the reticulum. The throat gland is then contracted and the gas bladders opened, which triggers combustion and the rapid release of exhaust gasses through the anus. Once sufficient thrust has been achieved, the animal will cease hyperventilating and distend its jaw, using intake air to fuel the reaction.05:08
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mikhasSpOn loves you: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadgets/sailfish-os-angeblich-demnaechst-auf-alten-samsung-handys-a-953215.html08:50
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clau2https://together.jolla.com/question/24052/flickering-while-peeking/10:12
clau2very annoying at times.10:12
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mcfriskclau2: glad I'm not the only one seeing that, I get it all the time.10:20
artemmaWooHoo! Three weeks after submission Quick Launcher update actually got published! You can start Browser too now and things are a little faster in general! Thanks to everybody who was kind to push harbour folks many times during these weeks. It worked eventually!10:21
clau2I think it's just since 1.0.3.8. I don't recall seeing it before.10:21
clau2nice work artemma :)10:21
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Nicd-artemma: do you see downloads and likes in harbour?10:22
Nicd-I just see 0 for all stats10:22
Nicd-for your own apps I mean10:22
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gena2xflickering it's easy to reproduce. Launch clock, swipe right-to-left to go to h/screen.10:24
mcfriskclau2: yes, it's a new (performance?) regression in 1.0.3.8.10:25
gena2xIf you reactivate clock it will be all right.10:25
gena2xi.e. problem seem reproducebly happens on the first swipe10:25
artemmaNicd-: nope the zero numbers are all fake, some people tell that none-zero numbers are fake too, but I think jjaone just wants to defent jolla ppl for some reason https://together.jolla.com/question/19349/why-so-few-submitted-apps-make-it-to-app-store/#comment-2689910:25
Nicd-ok, good to know10:26
Nicd-I'll just check the store for the numbers10:26
clau2I see the flickering everywhere, including in the lock screen.10:29
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tachikomamy second jolla game - design done by my 4 year old daughter ;)10:39
tachikomahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce_i91vBRNc10:39
tachikomaand yes - the recording is fucked ...10:39
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headhunterHello! Does anyone know up-to-date version of the command to enable LTE on Jolla phones?10:43
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Nicd-please don't enable LTE yet as it is not officially supported10:45
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Nicd-I've heard it might result in the device being banned from networks if it's not certified yet and the LTE implementation has bugs. someone more knowledgeable should comment on this though10:47
tachikomalol, that sounds awesome10:47
tbrwell network operators can be a bitch10:47
tbrthey don't like if someone screws up their network10:47
tachikomaisn't lte handled in the baseband and then just controlled from the host os?10:48
tbrdo we know that the baseband firmware is OK and doesn't need an update?10:49
tachikomano, we don't but then all of these socs would need one, right?10:49
tbrother devices, other baseband firmware10:49
tbrcomes with the OS / OS upgrade10:50
tachikomaso other phons also would be affecte. still could be possible, than all of those mobiles would have lte support but diabled10:50
tbrnope10:50
tachikomatbr: ah, ok - thought that provided by the soc producer10:50
tbrit is, but it is _shipped_ by the device manufacturer as part of the firmware/os10:50
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headhunterokok10:51
tachikomaand each phone manufaturer gets his own? i see10:51
headhunterI am not afraid of operators banning me10:51
tachikomalol10:51
Nicd-headhunter: the problem is they might ban other Jolla users too10:51
Nicd-and it might result in trouble for Jolla10:51
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headhunteroh... that would be sad indeed10:51
Nicd-that's what I've heard at least10:51
headhunterAnyway the reason i'm asking is because I've seen a bunch of apps to do that but they do not seem to actually have any effect10:52
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headhunterhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/lte-4g-seen-on-jolla-smartphone.html10:52
headhunteryou can find the original post here10:52
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tachikomatbh - up to now umts speed is completely stisfactoy for me10:52
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headhunteralso some folks made a pair of apps 3g and 4g switch10:53
headhunterto call that for ppl that have no idea what dbus is10:53
tachikomai can watch yoputube, i can download big files, it s stable, so - no real need for tle yet10:53
headhunterwhat if by some odd chance you are going to MWC and the only network there is LTE?10:53
headhunteryou would love to showcase your app on jolla, but we know for fact that they ain't gonna have any 3G there10:54
headhunteror 2g10:54
headhunteronly LTE10:54
headhunter=(10:54
headhunterat least for demo teams it is so10:54
Nicd-wifi?10:54
headhuntermeh - we are showing vertical handover between cellular & wifi => need both10:54
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headhunteranyway, thanks for help - gtg now, be back in ~60 min10:56
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jubo2I'm viewing emails11:33
jubo2in the syndicated all inboxes11:33
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jubo2when I've viewed an email I either swipe right or hit the left-upper corner button11:34
jubo2and the email disappears from the list11:34
jubo2instead of the light indicating (not read) turning off11:34
jubo2what's going on?11:34
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jubo2Sovietskoe rozovoe is made in EU. Jolla is made in China11:49
jubo2It's 201411:50
jubo2and why is my Jolla email interface UI removing emails once I've read them11:50
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jubo2I haven't seen virtual folders, read messages nor non-read messages11:51
tachikomahavent't seen that problem here yet11:51
jubo2the messages are gone from the other email program on another machine11:52
jubo2is this the system's way of telling me it hates me: "Your phone deletes urr emails. suffer and die."11:53
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jubo2Warning: Using the UI to view your emails deletes the emails after you've viewed them and doesn't save them in the "deleted items" folder either. Have a Jolla day.11:54
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headhunterwell this may have to do with the way your server deals with email11:56
headhunterare you using IMAP or POP3?11:56
jubo2IMAP11:56
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jubo2over SSL or TLS ( don't remember which )11:57
jubo2I have to take some of that back11:57
jubo2the emails are still there when viewing on another machine's email program11:57
jubo2but why does it remove them from the syndicated email inboxes view..? There is clearly a virtual led burning on unread messages, which should just go off11:58
stephgThe inboxes are just unread email12:02
stephgThe inboxes view I mean on front page12:03
jubo2stephg: aha. I see. thanks stephg12:03
jubo2now there should be a way put certain emails away without needing to view12:03
jubo2are there rules for sorting the inboxes available?12:04
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jubo2like I don't want to view most of the stuff I get in my private box but would like to keep up-to-date on school box12:04
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jubo2I'd like to not to see any marketing related emails12:06
jubo2even if I sometimes follow from headlines what's on sale now12:07
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jubo2I know some programs can sort email based on rules12:10
jubo2It'd be nice to have all the emails you know are just marketing put somewhere away to keep the syndicated "unread in inboxes" clean12:11
jubo2"Marketing communications and offers" would be the obvious name for the email box12:12
jubo2that or "solicited spam"12:13
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Nokius1Some one from HK interested in an #Jolla Handsone next week? if yes ping me12:35
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VDVsxNokius1, what's that  ? :) there are some Jolla people based in HK12:40
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tachikomaups12:41
tachikomaHK = hongkong?12:41
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jubo2The sent emails draft folder needs implementation urgently12:41
Nokius1I konw12:41
jubo2no.. not sent emails. but draft sms folder12:41
jubo2everytime exiting sms composition without sending or explicitly saying that you don't wish a draft be saved12:42
Nokius1It just an offer to guys in  HK to see and touch a jolla in real they cant buy one so may some on like to see a device before ordering one ?12:42
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Nokius1VDVsx:  I have no clue if the Jolla employes show there awsome work to the local community in HK12:43
jubo2another thing is why break the "navigate in" => left and "navigate out => right swiping system12:44
jubo2that's making the UI less intuitive12:44
jubo2I mean if I when trying accidentally swipe left or right from compose sms view I lose it12:44
jubo2I can't just swipe in the opposition direction to get back to my draft ?12:45
jubo2wtf-momemnt12:45
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tachikomajubo2: i assume you filed bugs for all your issues on together.jolla.com, right? Listing them here is not going to change much i fear.12:46
jubo2tachikoma: you are quite right12:46
jubo2except I haven't filed them with TJC12:47
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jubo2I still thinks this UI is a gigaload of "Look mom! No buttons!!"12:47
VDVsxNokius1, so you have a device to show or are you looking for someone in HK that has a device ?12:48
sharpneliI kinda agree12:48
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jubo2So AAPL OS == 1 button, MSFT OS == 3 buttons and JLLA OS == Look mom! No buttons!!12:48
jubo2P-;12:49
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clauI'm getting fake updates in Store again. :|13:29
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Waiteeclau: if you've downloaded newer versions of the apps than those available in the store, the store just thinks "hey you're running a different version, mine is official newest! Update your apps!"13:32
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clauI use the app from Store, and the alternative repo from openrepos is disabled.13:33
claumore so, pkcon get-updates does not show it.13:33
__pvi'm getting fake update from store for quick launcher (also, never used openrepos etc)13:34
claualthough I have two Here related apps waiting there for a couple of weeks, and nobody from jolla says anything about them.13:34
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clauyes, I had to uninstall quick launcher. it became to annoying.13:35
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clauregarding Here, I meant packages, not appps.13:35
clauthey come from repo adaption1, which is jolla.13:36
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Pnuujubo2: stfu already14:09
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jubo2Pnuu: ldd14:12
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radekpcould it be that jolla in 2G eats much less power then in 3G?15:34
dschoeperadekp: It should definitely be less, not sure about "much"15:36
Eztran2G is usually lower-power. How 'much' less, no idea.15:36
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mcfrisk2g less power on idle15:37
radekpi have to measure it a few times more - at home i have just 2G and it looks that overnight it eats in idle 5mA15:37
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radekpwhich could be ~400h standby15:38
radekpbut at work with 3G the battery goes down much faster, tho i dont have exact numbers yet...15:38
Eztran5mA is very low, certainly. Surely you use it more at work than overnight, though?15:39
radekpEztran: yup i never resisted to not touch the phone at work :)15:40
EztranCongrats :)15:40
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EztranAlso, if it's reached the point where mobile data is enough of the power consumption that 2G/3G makes a big difference... it says a lot about the rest of the consumption.15:41
Eztran5mA is crazy low compared to Android-phone-of-the-week, last I saw anything on it.15:42
Mnsuhow do you measure the consumption on a Jolla?15:43
radekpMnsu: reading charge_now and time interval with simple formula - i did also app for it https://openrepos.net/content/radekp/battery-monitor15:44
Mnsuradekp: thanks15:45
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Yaniela wild randomshutdown appears!16:00
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vatteI'm back using n900 now16:02
vatteJolla went to service today... 1-2 weeks they said16:02
vattehopefully they actually do something to it :D16:03
ko__i just use my n900 for irc on wlan16:03
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vattefeels good to have the keyboard again16:04
vatteand multitasking different sms/google/whatsapp convos is a great feature16:05
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Gena2x|fishirc client seems fine :)16:48
chem|stwho does ever send contacts via MMS?16:49
Gena2x|fishQuestion - do anyone know how to use bluetooth headset to play music with jolla - phone calls are fine. wish to use my car audio as speakers16:51
tbrthe jolla supports a2dp, so you should be able to just do that16:52
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Gena2x|fishcar is paired but if i try to play something for example video, i hear no sound...16:57
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Gena2x|fishi figured out - this is my car problem.17:02
tbrtry to get an firmware update for your car ;)17:03
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chem|stGena2x|fish: wfm on Audi MMI 335017:08
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Gena2x|fishgood news. my audi without mmi17:09
chem|stnow I know who wants to send MMS... stupid android and iphone started to deny SMS vcards... how stupid is that?17:09
Gena2x|fishbut with ami17:10
chem|stdoes work now or does not yet?17:10
Gena2x|fishnope. there is something weird and car-specufic17:11
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chem|stthe only thing I had is that it complained about no space left to download my contacts after it was connected and actually already has my contacts17:11
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chem|stGena2x|fish: maybe resetting your ami's BT settings helps17:12
chem|stI have no clue what could stop that thing from telling me about the phonebook each time it connects17:12
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louisdkReally a negative review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GnTvZrKbkQ18:59
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Stskeepsyou can't satisfy everybody, to be honest19:02
Stskeepsconsidering the whole story and well, development length of the product, what -has- been done is really impressive19:02
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Stskeepsbut, despite some flaws, many genuinely like the device19:11
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louisdkWhat about the screen. Is it really that bad, also with showing a clean dark colour? Is the camera that bad? And does the speaker makes crackle at max volume? :)19:23
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Stskeepslouisdk: well, i can only say to try one out and decide if it suits you19:28
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xthAnd, btw, what about the ambient light sensor? I've only used Sailfish on N9, so I wonder if it is so?19:36
Stskeepsyes, there's one19:36
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ShadowJKThe camera has generally impressed me20:17
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ShadowJKThough video recording audio quality is kinda poor20:17
kehnooI was slightly dissapointed20:18
ShadowJKI think the audio encoder is kinda poor, or then it's just not configured for enough bitrate :)20:18
kehnoobut I think it was the early versions and blue-ish tint that ruined the experience, haven't used the camera lately :p20:19
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attahGood evening20:22
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louisdkShadowJK: Let's hope it get fixed with a software update :)20:35
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louisdkHave anyone got a nice case for their Jolla? :)21:31
* tbr has a belt thingy, seems to have been intended for nx4, fits perfectly21:32
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louisdktbr: ebay link? :)21:34
chem|stlouisdk: I have a nice toh!21:34
chem|stkehnoo: picture wise it has been improved and further improvements are in the pipes21:35
tbrlouisdk: don't have one21:36
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louisdkchem|st: Which one? :)21:38
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