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pdanekSomething is wrong, after update my battery lasts much less.01:37
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HylianSaviordoes jolla not support wpa2 with peap?01:56
HylianSaviorit just says 'cannot connect'01:56
raa79https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/01:57
HylianSaviorexactly what i needed01:58
HylianSaviorthanks01:58
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HylianSavioris enabling dev mode supposed to take several minutes?02:04
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Anz_hyliansavior eduroam?02:07
HylianSavior?02:07
Anz_wpa2 for eduroam?02:07
HylianSavioryes02:07
HylianSaviori clicked enable developer mode and it's been enabling it for several minutes02:08
Anz_i just followed the work around. wil try the connection tomorrow at university02:08
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* kimmoli wonders what is difference between rev C and D Jolla original TOHs (poppy red/white rev C, aloe/black rev D)07:25
Dima^color :D07:26
Dima^C = color, D = dark :) just my theory07:27
kimmolinope. it's revision of the mold used, but what has changed...07:32
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Dima^ok07:36
FryeWell, for me the black seems to sit a bit tighter in the first half than the poppy red.07:36
FryeAnd I have not taken the red one out that many times.07:36
FryeBut all guessing here.07:37
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pprev D has tin-foil built in to improve battery life with 1.0.2.5!07:51
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Dima^:D07:56
Dima^so then nfc not working if so :)07:56
Dima^but it still working ;)07:56
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tango_well my complains about rev C TOHs is that they are too flexible, so when you try taking them out they bend instead of popping out08:00
tango_but I haven't tried a rev D so I don't know if anything changed08:00
Dima^true08:00
Dima^lets compare..08:00
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PeperJohnnytango_: it still bends quite a lot with rev D08:02
PeperJohnnyHowever I don't have a C to compare^^08:02
tango_I honestly don't like that, I get the feeling it's “breaky”08:02
PeperJohnnyWell I trust in Jolla, that they tested it enough =)08:03
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Dima^hmm.. I can't see the differency in flexibility between red and black08:05
Dima^mut indeet the black one is sturdier to take off08:06
Dima^*indeed08:06
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kimmoliReason why asking is that the STP/STL files provided in Otherhalf development kit says rev C  (dated 10 Dec 2013)08:13
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Milo-kimmoli you had a little bit of fun with QML+dbus, didn't you?08:17
kimmolifun is a stretching concept08:17
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Milo-I'm guessing you managed to subscribe and send dbus signals through QML?08:18
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Dima^yeh.. I had fun yesterday when I gave a **** to the frameworks :P08:18
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Accehttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus ?08:19
Dima^and created new fw that suites better08:19
Milo-Acce yes, but as for documentation, that isn't enough :)08:19
Accewell, it looks like lethal Nodocs -case for a lot of stuff08:20
Milo-kimmoli I was wondering whether you had any examples on how to actually register and send dbus signals from QML, without needing to do it in c++08:21
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kimmolii did just fork something and edited on top of that. i think it had some  plugin withit.08:21
Milo-oh08:21
specialnemo-qml-plugin-dbus is the preferred way08:22
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kimmolibut it worked. i think that code is not in my github, it is at home, i'm at work.08:22
AcceMilo-: you could also check the jolla's apps qml, or some open source project which uses dbus (IRC for Sailfish, maybe?)08:22
kimmolii think it was that. sources were local copy.08:22
Milo-kimmoli I tried looking through your github and wasn't able to find anything. :)08:23
Acceand, if you happen to get it working, it would be very kind to write a tutorial about it and post it somewhere :)08:23
Milo-special without documentation, it doesn't seem like "preferred" way :)08:23
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specialthere's code! code is even better than documentation, right? ;)08:23
rcgwhile seeing nemo-qml-plugin-dbus being mentioned. there is at least one limitation i am aware of. right, now, it is problematic to attach to singals starting with uppercase letters. the fix is in github already afaik but not yet on the device.08:23
specialhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/blob/master/tests/auto-qt5/tst_dbus.qml08:24
Milo-special let me google a picture with the word "no" that is strong enough for this :)08:24
specialmight be helpful08:24
rcgspecial, hehe exactly :)08:24
rcgthat got me started in using nemo-qml-plugin-dbus in about two minutes :)08:24
rcgbtw. special are you involved in nemo-qml-plugin-dbus?08:25
rcgwhat i missed in that test case was the handling of signals in general08:25
specialnot especially, but I'm kind of involved in everything08:25
rcgafair, this only handles method calls08:25
rcgaye :)08:25
kimmoliafaik, i used some screencapture source as my documentation08:26
Milo-mkay08:27
specialrcg: from a quick look, I'd try:08:28
specialDBusInterface { ...; signalsEnabled: true; signal myDbusSignal(string a, int b); onMyDbusSignal: { ... } }08:29
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specialmaybe denexter could confirm that if he's still around08:30
rcgspecial, yeah, but it would be even better if this was included in the test ;)08:31
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specialPRs welcome ;)08:32
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rcgusually, when i see something like test/ in a project, that's one of the first resource i look into :)08:32
rcgspecial, :)08:32
rcghowever, there are only so many hours in a day :/08:32
denexterI am for a couple more minutes, but that'll work08:32
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specialI've found you can dramatically expand the hours in a day if you give up on sleeping08:33
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Sail0rhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KmWqpFz-loI/UwMQfuFUo9I/AAAAAAAAGPE/471usMsm_rI/w1358-h764-no/linux-world-map-second-colored.png08:33
kimmolisleep is good. you should take 15 min nap every 1 hour. When you wake up, you usually have the solution for your problem08:34
rcgspecial, well, to be nitpicking, by definition this does not expand the hours in a day at all ;P08:34
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kimmolii think i did use only method calls08:36
kimmolisignals i used only from c++08:36
rcgspecial, but well, the more serious answer is likely that there is on one hand something like a real life and a real job/profession and on the other hand in the scarce spare time are so many interesting side projects as well08:37
rcgkimmoli, dito08:37
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specialyep.08:37
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rcgspecial, in fact, the one thing that troubles me a bit about being involved in so much open source stuff is that you can get the feeling that you are not doing "enough" as there are so many cool things to do that would be really helpful08:40
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rcgon the other hand, hacking on open source should be fun and not feel like a burden08:41
rcgso, it is sometimes difficult to slow oneself down to keep the fun up08:41
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specialrcg: that really gets dangerous when your OSS hobby becomes your job08:43
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kimmolircg: special - totally comply...08:44
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specialthere's always something important you should be doing.. but it really is a good thing to set those aside and do some for fun too08:47
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rcgspecial, indeed :)08:50
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rcgspecial, kimmoli it's also always good to see that others share this way of thinking :)08:51
ccha2hello, I can't select mobile network. yesterday I could. What happended ?08:52
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rangoykimmoli: tried the uberman sleep schedule?08:57
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kimmolino, i'm currently in monophase08:58
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Grauwolfis there a web-version of the jolla store?09:40
ggabrielnope09:40
Grauwolfalso: there are no paid apps yet, right?09:40
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ggabrielnope, you can vote for that one too :)09:40
Grauwolfk :)09:41
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Grauwolfjust started an mobile software dev company with some friends (actually today is the first day at our office). and i'm really fond of jolla09:43
ggabrielbest of luck!09:43
Grauwolfthanks09:44
tachikomamh, i need to clean up my two games and then read up on how to get stuff into the store :)09:46
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p2-mateah, so it's not really a store :)09:53
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ggabrielp2-mate: depends on what you consider a store09:53
p2-matea place where you pay for stuff :)09:53
ggabrielit isn't commercial just yet, that's probably what you mean09:53
ggabrielthat isn't necessarily a store09:54
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p2-matetrue, there are also other places where you have to pay for stuff. I wasn't implying equivalence here09:54
ggabrieli wasn't saying that: a store doesn't necessarily mean that you have to pay for stuff09:55
ggabrielanyway09:55
ggabrielsemantics09:55
ggabrielyou can't buy just yet09:55
ggabrieland you can vote for it09:55
ggabrielwhich i did, as i want meerun09:55
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zmo\o/ \\o o// \o/10:07
* zmo got my jolla10:07
ggabriellol10:07
ggabrieli was like that when i got mine10:07
ggabrielso pretty10:07
ggabriel:P10:07
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netzviehyou should have been like /o\ handstand :D10:11
Stskeepsit's all so pretty and then you find out that girl is crazy..10:11
Stskeeps;)10:11
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zmothough, it's weird to get a phone with pictures already in10:12
zmoit feels like it was someone's phone before I got it :-)10:12
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kimmolizmo: take a look at the thank-you video...10:12
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Raimzmo: I think other phone manufacturers do that as well. but they usually do not show any people, just some scenery.10:13
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zmokimmoli - nice :-)10:15
kimmolii like that you can choose what to install. N9 came with golf, nfs etc .. i think i played golf once.10:16
kimmoliand 90% of update bandwith was taken to update that golf game10:16
tbrI kind of liked that space game thingy, although it could have had more missions10:17
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tachikomaStskeeps: i still prefer crazy girls to that cooperate type ;)10:23
melonipoikahi all10:23
melonipoikai asked this in systemd but got no replies yet. Trying it here as well:10:23
melonipoikai can only see the log of the most recent boot whith journalctl10:24
melonipoika[nemo@localhost ~]$ grep Storage /etc/systemd/journald.conf10:24
melonipoikaStorage=persistent10:24
melonipoikabut still just the last boot is shown10:24
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melonipoika(I call journalctl _without_ the -b switch)10:25
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melonipoikais there any other setting that i need to change?10:25
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specialnot according to https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/10:26
melonipoikai am trying to debug my random reboots, so this would be quite useful10:26
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melonipoikathanks special, i folloed that guide in the first place10:27
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melonipoika[root@localhost nemo]#  journalctl -a -n100000010:28
melonipoikaLogs begin at Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:16:05 +0200, end at Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:28:29 +0200.10:28
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nodefourtytwoHello10:47
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Accehi10:47
nodefourtytwodoes anyone also finds that the slide from the side actions become harder and harder to achieve the longer the phone is on?10:48
nodefourtytwoafter a reboot it becomes normal again10:48
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nodefourtytwobut then, you wait for 2 or 3 days, and the gesture works again once out of 3 or four10:49
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sjtoiki noticed something similar, when tweetian was missbehaving and eventually crashed10:51
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sjtoikbut at that time, i think the memory was all taken up10:51
sjtoikit took a while to recover10:51
nodefourtytwoI don't think I did reboot in 5 days or so, and really, the gestures were impossible at the end10:53
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nodefourtytwoI rebooted, and it became responsive again10:53
AcceI want more RAM10:53
nodefourtytwoI did not check ram levels at that moment, maybe I should have10:54
nodefourtytwoI will next time10:54
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sjtoikrebooting and clearing the runtime situation doesn't eventually tell much about the originating problem.10:54
nodefourtytwoindeed10:55
nodefourtytwoI'll investigate next time10:55
nodefourtytwoI just wanted to know if I'm the only one in this case10:55
stephgnodefourtytwo that may be a bug10:56
stephgthere's a bug that sounds like that that was introduced in 1.0.3.810:56
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nodefourtytwodo you have a link?10:56
stephgjust looking now for you10:56
nodefourtytwothanks10:57
stephghttps://together.jolla.com/question/23257/1038-introduced-bug-in-app-minimizing-and-close/10:57
stephgone of the manifestations is that you have to swipe really quickly to get back to the home screen10:57
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nodefourtytwothat looks exactly like what I'm experiencing10:58
nodefourtytwothanks for the link10:59
Accehmm, does jolla use preload or similar to load stuff that is used a lot to RAM?10:59
Accesystemctl gives nothing for preload.service10:59
nodefourtytwogood to know they are working on it :) hopefully fixed at the end of the month11:01
stephgyeah I hope so (and am fairly confident that it will be)11:02
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ccha2I can't select mobile network. yesterday I could. What happended ?11:25
PeperJohnnyccha2: a reboot fixes it for me most of the times11:26
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ccha2I want to know what happended11:29
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ccha2why I can't enable mobile network today11:30
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ccha2any reboot fix it11:31
chem|stccha2: connman hung-up11:31
chem|stccha2: known bug11:32
pahartikchem|st: Does "killall connmand" help?11:35
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ccha2connman manage the 3G network too ?11:38
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tbryes11:39
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jubo2it's idiotic that if you swipe away from "editing sms" mode ( at least to left, maybe even right too ) one cannot swipe back. IT*S GONE12:12
jubo2So pls plos "draft sms" functionality12:13
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jubo2fixit pls plos12:13
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Teguyea draft functionality is pretty essential12:14
jubo2then again if annoying users part of your core business strategy then the "draft smses"-box isn't something y'all would be interested in12:15
jubo2and why break the normal swipe outwards swipe inwards model ?12:16
jubo2inwards being obviously to the left and outwards to the right12:16
jubo2that'd fix the "lose your sms due to accidental swipe"12:16
jubo2I'd just swipe back12:16
Tegualso it could show the name of the sender/recipient on the conversation view12:16
jubo2I don't see why we don't get 2 views: discussion mode and separated into message boxes12:17
jubo2The Windows phone is "Look mom! We made a bunch of boxes!!"12:18
jubo2The Jolla phone is "Look mom! No buttons!"12:18
jubo2If y'all catch my gist12:18
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jubo2I try what happens if I swipe right12:19
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jubo2it detects a swipe from beyond the sensor net ( and thus closes the sms editing view )12:20
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jubo2but the message is there when I go to edit message12:21
jubo2that's positive. but swiping left you are left unable to swipe right to get back12:21
jubo2Why cha have to break it?12:21
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leinirhmm... if only tweetian supported multiple accounts with merged timelines...13:59
leinirsuch a pretty app...14:00
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Venemo_jleinir: it's open source, you can help with it :)14:08
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leinirVenemo_j: Hehe, i know - i'm already involved in way too much stuff to have the time to fit it in :)14:08
Venemo_jleinir: I can imagine!14:09
leinirkrita's  really busy at the moment, dunno if you've seen :)14:11
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zmodoes anybody knows if a port of firefox has been done for sailfish?14:12
zmoit looks like there was one for meego14:12
Stskeepsthe browser is gecko based14:12
zmoah, it is?14:12
zmoI'd thought it was webkit the UI being Qt ;-)14:12
Stskeepsnop14:12
Plntzmo: what you can run on jolla is firefox for android. that one works fine. but probably not an answer to your question :)14:13
zmois it using uptodate gecko engine?14:13
zmoas the guys at mozilla work a lot on improving firefox14:13
jussiSo, brother in law's phone is acting up still - it now turns off after about 5 seconds of operation. Any thoughts on how I can debug/fix this ?14:18
leinirVenemo_j: this, in particular :) http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=22540338514:19
Stskeepszmo: quite up to date i think14:20
zmoso I receipt my jolla today, which has sailfishos version 1.0.0.5 the most up to date one as of today? or should I get an update?14:20
Jopeyou should update before you do anything14:21
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zmohow do I update?14:21
claulatest is 1.0.3.814:21
zmoI thought it was over the air14:21
Stskeepszmo: check for updates in settings->about product14:21
Jopefirst configure a jolla account to the phone (create one if you don't have one)14:21
zmooh… I already installed a bunch of apps and added a few accounts14:21
clauI guess you will get 1.0.2.5 first, then latest14:21
Jopewell you can upgrade any time14:21
Jopebut you should make upgrading it a priority14:22
zmooh14:22
zmook, the "check for update was in the drop down menu"14:22
MrCarlStskeeps what do you think of rooting a samsung s3 ?14:23
StskeepsMrCarl: it's fun?14:23
Stskeeps:P14:23
MrCarlwhats the best method ?14:23
Jopeisn't that a bit off topic here14:23
Yanielsee cyanogenmod install instructions14:23
Stskeepsa bit :P14:23
Yanieland maybe #android14:23
Jopexda-developers will probably have a wealth of information also14:23
Stskeepsbut yeah, cyanogenmod14:24
zmoJope - and what you call "do anything" on the jolla? :-)14:25
zmoconfiguring accounts and installing a bunch of apps is anything? :-)14:25
Jopezmo, yes14:26
Yanielzmo: anything you can do on a linux box? :P14:26
zmoshould I uninstall the installed stuff before upgrade?14:26
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Jopezmo, no point in trying to find hidden meanings to it, please upgrade from 1.0.0.5 as soon as possible14:26
Jopeno need to uninstall anything14:26
Yanielah, sysupgrade14:26
Jopejust upgrade upgrade14:26
Jope:-D14:26
zmowell, I'm in the process of doing it14:26
Yanielbut don't install anything new14:26
Jopewonderufl14:26
zmoit's downloading14:26
Yanielbefore that14:26
Jopeso you're well on your way :-)14:26
Yanielgreat14:26
zmoanyway, I only ran the map, friends and twitter apps14:27
Jopedon't worry, it isn't harmful to use the phone before upgrading14:27
zmoget around in the preferences, configured accounts and installed the keira other half14:27
Jopebut you may run into bugs that make the upgrade fail if you stay on 1.0.0.514:27
zmooh ok14:27
Jopethat's why I said do it now not later14:28
zmothat'd suck14:28
Jopekeep upgrading until you're at 1.0.3.8 :-)14:28
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zmosure14:28
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zmothat's why I asked :-)14:28
zmoactually I thought the system would notify me about available updates once the network is configured14:29
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Jopeit does, but it checks only occasionally14:29
zmoas I saw no notification, I asked :-)14:29
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AL13N_worki wonder if this month too, there'll be an update14:33
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zmoI was wondering, has anybody done a other half arduino hack yet? :)14:39
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zmoI think that's going to be my first development :-p14:39
kimmolidone14:40
zmokimmoli - any url about it?14:41
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kimmolisomething here, not much : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9240814:43
kimmolithe BADGEr is basically a arduino14:43
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Jopekimmoli, apologies for not having done my homework, however did you already sell out of toholeds14:43
kimmoliJope: PM/email me through TMO thread. i haven't done headcount yet.14:44
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Jopekimmoli, ok.. I'll try to remember my TMO password, if I ever even registered :-)14:44
Jopethanks14:44
kimmoliJope: there is email address too.14:45
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zmokimmoli - nice :-)14:46
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Venemo_jleinir: what's that?15:03
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leinirVenemo_j: It's a greenlight campaign for Krita :)15:12
Yanielgreenlight? :D15:13
Yanielyay15:13
YanielI should probably try krita someday15:13
Yanielhow is it different from gimp?15:13
leinirWell, their goals are very different... it's a bit like asking how a fork differs from a spoon - one is great for steak, the other's great for soup ;)15:14
leinirGimp is all about image manipulation, and Krita is all about painting :)15:14
Yanielokay15:14
Yanielroger that15:14
svuorelammm.. steak15:15
leinirThey /can/ both do the other thing, but they're each much better at their designed task :)15:15
leinir*giggles* i realise that came out considerably more snarky than i intended :D15:15
Yanielso steak.. er how is it looking for krita gemini on the jolla?15:15
Yanielor krita whatever-you-call-it15:16
leinirwell, again that would be a little silly... gemini's the dual personality thing, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense on something like the jolla... and sketch isn't really geared for small screens, it's more a tablet thing :)15:16
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leinirwe'd need an entirely different ui for a phone-sized device, so... i'm afraid it'll be some time :)15:17
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Yaniel./15:18
louisdkGot my Jolla today and I'm really impressed. It's really a great phone. Both software and hardware feels quite solid. It's not hard to see that it's a phone made by true passionate people. My only cons so far is that you need to partly update the firmware. 1.2 > 1.2.5 > 1.3.5 > 1.3.8.15:18
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Yanielyou need to?15:19
YanielI never saw 1.0.3.515:19
Yanielleinir: are there any plans yet?15:22
leinirYaniel: for a handheld ui? no, not at the moment, i'm afraid15:22
leinirif we get sailfishos on tabletty devices, then it suddenly becomes a very different story, but... for now, for phones, no15:23
Stskeepslouisdk: it should go 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.5 to 1.0.3.8 afaik15:23
Venemo_jleinir: what's up with your novel? I'm still looking forw15:28
Venemo_jleinir: ard to reading the next chapter15:28
zmoupdated to 1.0.3.8 :-D15:29
leinirVenemo_j: still working on it :) just went past 96,000 words last night, and well... yeah, i've had to split the plot into three books, but at least that means you're likely to see book one sooner ;)15:29
zmoStskeeps - I think he's right, I thought I was on 1.0.3.8 when it told me to update again15:29
zmoso I guess I was wrong it was on 1.0.3.5 or something like that15:30
zmoanyway, I didn't spent much time, I upgraded again15:30
zmo(I even thought the 1.0.3.8 update failad, actually)15:30
stephgzmo there's a bug that will have it try (and successfully) upgrade to the same version...15:30
zmooh ok15:30
zmoso maybe it's that bug I've seen15:30
zmoanyway15:30
zmoI'm now updated :-D \o/15:30
stephg\o/15:30
zmothe only thing, I kinda like the keira other half, though I'm not found of the "green" text color15:31
zmois there a way I could change that?15:32
Venemo_jleinir: the first chapter was such a nice apetizer, can I beta-read the next ones? :)15:32
zmoor maybe, I shall use my own rfid stickers and make my own ambiances :-p15:32
leinirVenemo_j: there's the second chapter out - but certainly, when i have book one tied up, you can have a beta read at that one :)15:33
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Venemo_jleinir: great, thank you! where is the second chapter?15:34
leinirVenemo_j: well... since my website is down, the dA download link is broken... http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10732298/15:35
Venemo_jah15:36
leinirthe download on there works, though, and of course it works just fine on Jolla Documents ;)15:37
louisdkstskeeps: It might be in that order. It just feels a bit Windows-like that it can't just upgrade with a single upgrade but that's not a big issue :)15:37
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clauit will be fun to do a factory reset after 1 year, when we will presumably have ~12 updates.15:42
Stskeepslouisdk: it becomes complex to QA15:42
Pnuumaybe some kind of "major" releases should be directly upgradable-to15:43
clauStskeeps: what if you automaye the process such that user interaction is not required anymore?15:43
clauso when the user starts fresh, he should just get to latest version without knowing he went through several updates.15:44
clauthere's probably space for optimizing the downloading of data by using some delta transfer algo, similar to rsync. or use rsync.15:45
Stskeepsthe problem is also that some of that features requires time travel to fix update sw of 1.0.0.515:45
claumyeah.15:45
Stskeepswe do update in the factory when we get a chance though15:45
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clauyou could update the update 1.0.2.5 though15:47
clauit's as close as you can get to time traveling :)15:47
clauso after instalation of 1.0.2.5, everything should be done automatically.15:48
claubtw, what are you doing in factory?15:49
clauprovide a newer version as factory reset point?15:49
Stskeepsyeah, flash a different image15:50
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clauI guess that will never be an option outside factory :(15:51
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clauas soon as I'll travel to Finland, I'll drop by and have it reflashed :)15:54
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rostbachNo pistän sitten kutsun tuolle 4. päivä TIISTAIlle15:56
Stskeepssorry, english?15:56
rostbachsorry wrong channel15:57
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TheBootroo_homeWTF16:32
TheBootroo_homehttp://pastebin.com/XjxPw7CW16:32
stephgTheBootroo_home, check the mailing list16:33
TheBootroo_homemy app doesn't use any DBus api, no not the PackageKit one neither16:33
TheBootroo_homestephg: wut ?16:33
stephgsearching...16:34
stephghttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-February/003477.html16:34
stephgthat thread16:34
stephghuman error16:34
stephglet them know16:34
stephgand they'll promote16:34
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TheBootroo_homestephg: how do i post on it?16:36
stephgwrite to  developer-care@jolla.com?16:37
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TheBootroo_homeoh16:37
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zmois there a way to install skype apk?17:00
zmoeverything makes me go through the google play, which does not let me get the apk :-/17:01
zmo(and I need skype because people I'm working with force me to do it)17:01
zmos/do/use/17:01
Mnsuis it not on yandex store? you could try installing some other android store then17:02
kehnooquit your job, problem solved17:02
Nightmare__i downloaded all my .apk on a android tablet and copied them on to the jolla17:03
zmokehnoo - I sent my resume to the jolla, never got contacted back :-)17:03
zmojolla team*17:03
zmooh, actually I had one mail saying they were looking at it17:04
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louisdkIt it possible to select which app to open a file from Transfer with? Downloaded a .myapp-file that I need to open with Aptiode.17:06
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ggabrielso next week is the mwc, right?17:08
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louisdkDoes it consume extra power if I enable dev mode?17:40
Yanielmaybe a bit17:41
Yanielbut I'd say it is marginal17:41
Yaniel(running sshd)17:41
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louisdkYaniel: Okay. Thanks :)17:44
Yanielof course you can start a terminal and run something in it that uses a lot of power but by itself dev mode does not do much17:45
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kimmoliEnable the "advanced developer mode" ... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IzrCxRbl_E4/Uv5lJ4939uI/AAAAAAAAGpU/FLTW6RF3Qdw/w1488-h839-no/20140214_003.jpg18:07
Stskeepspfft, advanced developer mode is for the person who finds the UART first ;)18:07
kimmolidont challenge18:08
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sharpneliStskeeps: Damn you. I'm not really tempted to peek under that sticker which is behind the battery  :D18:12
sharpneli*now18:12
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mikmasharpneli: well there are pictures in talk.maemo.org so you don't have to18:13
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kimmolifor some unexplainable reason, i have still kept my jolla in one piece, or is it two pieces18:14
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FireFlykimmoli: neat18:22
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rcgevening18:23
rcgis there a way to manipulate the global volume programmaticly=18:24
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rcg*=?18:24
mikmais there aumix18:25
rcgnope18:29
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wickwireHi guys, does anyone know how the NFC UID process is set up, for ambiences?18:29
wickwireDo I submit an ambience to the jolla store as a normal app?18:30
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rcgwell, /dev/input/by-path/platform-gpio-keys-event reports the volume button key events, at least18:33
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fluxrcg, checked pulseaudio tools/apis and qt ones?18:33
rcgflux, i hoped for a little bit easier access18:34
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rcgso far i checked qtmultimedia18:34
rcgand the pactl output18:34
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rcgunfortunately, pactl list | grep -i -A 5 -B 5 vol doesn't give any hint18:36
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p2-matebefore I try, does the jolla phone support sim hotswap?18:57
lpotterit might work, but that is not supported18:57
p2-mateok :)18:58
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pahartikp2-mate: It worked for me, had to swap SIMs several times between "Jolla Mobile" and "Nokia N900" before getting things set up19:00
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p2-mateoh ok :)19:00
Yaniel"SIM-card"19:01
louisdkIf I have a pre reservation 50€ discount is it then legal to pass it on to somebody else?19:02
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p2-mateis there any sip support?19:08
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Anz_no sip and no native skype support. still sticking with N900 for this reason19:14
p2-mateI see...19:15
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Anz_well download any android app for voip. it's not the same.  but should work19:17
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svuorelap2-mate: phone wants to be restarted if I remove and add the sim card19:18
svuorelap2-mate: but you should totally get one anyways19:19
p2-matesvuorela: I have one :)19:19
svuorelap2-mate: you should get one more :P19:19
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svuorelap2-mate: then we can be phone buddies :P19:21
p2-matesvuorela: you have 2?19:21
svuorelanope19:21
tbrpfff people still didn't get SIP working? it's all there...19:22
p2-matesvuorela: ah, so that's why you want me to buy one more :)19:22
svuorelaexactly19:23
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edgarsmy jolla is rebooting on every call :/19:32
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p2-mategrrr :P why does maps think I want miles and yards if select language english :P19:50
Raimp2-mate: yes, that's clearly missing a setting. see here for a workaround, http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/19:53
p2-mateone WAR is to select finnish as the language :)19:53
p2-matebut... :)19:53
Venemop2-mate: same reason I can't set it to my preferred date format19:54
p2-mate:)19:55
kimmoliofftopic: http://t.co/rAyzcev2s4 what is wrong with the event title ???19:55
Goldfrapperfix only seems to work for total length of route, not directions19:56
p2-mateN9 maps even allows you to select a different language for the voice guides than the UI language19:56
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svuorelap2-mate: we want marble on the jolla phone!!11119:57
Goldfrapper+1 for marble on jolla19:57
p2-mateandroid doesn't, and worse android maps tries to pronounce streetnames, guess how well that works in finland with a phone configured in english...19:57
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svuorelap2-mate: that's probably fun to hear19:58
p2-matemarble seems good yes :) is anyone working on a jolla port? :)19:59
RST38hDon't want Marble anywhere. It is an atrocious memory hog20:01
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Waiteeöitä :D20:08
Waiteeshieet wrong channel20:08
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svuorelap2-mate: someone at canonical was porting it to qt5. I don't know where it currently is20:11
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Venemowat is marbe, anyway?20:18
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StskeepsVenemo: http://marble.kde.org/20:19
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Amy30 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6920:20
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Yanielhow is that not k-lined yet20:20
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Stskeepssorry amy's of the world..20:21
RST38hOMG you have killed Amy!20:21
EztranWell, people named Abby have already been hit.20:21
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RST38hAnd Abby too!20:22
EztranWonder how many other girls' names beginning with A they'll think of?20:22
RST38hNext: Anne20:22
YanielAshley20:22
RST38hAudrey20:22
EztranStop giving them ideas! Wait, they're offline, NVM.20:22
YanielAlice, Ann, Agatha20:22
RST38hin alphabetical order20:22
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FireFlySo okay20:30
FireFlyYou're saying we assume Alice wants to send pictures securely to Bob?20:31
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Yanielwho else?20:31
Stskeepsbeer bet: what's the next name of the spam bot20:31
Stskeeps:P20:31
leinirHehe... the humble bundle app works well... as does at least super hexagon ;)20:32
stephgdo either Alice, Bob or Eve work for the NSA?20:32
Yanielisn't the third one Charlie?20:33
stephgcould be, I do remember Eve also20:33
stephghey, they all want to listen!20:33
Yanielbut we are still missing the D20:33
FireFlyEve is the eavesdropper I think20:34
FireFlythey're all acronyms, except A & B20:35
FireFlyabbreviations*20:35
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r2d2__hey there, im in trouble. i try to deploy my app via qtcreator to jolla. if i dont use any SailfishApp:: functions the deployment works well, i can start the app but it ends in a white screen. the console gives me the error that QtQuick.Controles are not found. if i try to use the SailfishApp:: functions i get a "SailfishApp::"21:16
r2d2__hm21:17
r2d2__.../src/main.cpp:178: undefined reference to `SailfishApp::application(int&, char**)'21:17
r2d2__QGuiApplication * app = SailfishApp::application(argc, argv);21:18
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salami`controles?21:19
salami`controls?21:19
r2d2__[dbg]                  main.qml:  21        qrc:///qml/main.qml:21:1: module "QtQuick.Controls" is not installed21:20
r2d2__this is the output from my programm if i start the appvia ssh user nemo21:21
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Judy23 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6922:03
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Yanieldaaamn, wrong22:04
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clau:))22:07
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JUJamesok that was odd for this group :o22:11
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p2-matedoes audio work in the android emulator?22:54
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CvPlile music play?23:04
CvPlike23:04
AlmAckp2-mate: yes sure, you can play games inside the andoid emulator23:04
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p2-mateCvP: making music or alarms.23:07
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p2-mateor is there some separate volume setting for android apps I'm missing?23:08
CvPp2-mate, witch app?23:08
p2-matesonorox23:09
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p2-mateor sleepbot23:10
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p2-mateI didn't try sleepbot on a real android device, but sonorox does work and make noise on my chinese android phone23:10
p2-mateneither of them made any noise on jolla23:11
CvPdo you have a dl link to sonorox?23:12
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p2-mateno. I got it from f-droid23:14
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p2-mategn23:14
CvPgn23:15
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