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coderusmorning06:51
zuttohmh06:52
coderusany permanent hack for timezone correction for android?06:53
zuttothis new job that i got, is literally next to jolla's office, just noticed06:53
Stskeepszutto: oh, where you at?06:53
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zuttoi work on accounting company on the building next to jollas building06:54
Stskeepsah06:55
* jussi is just jumping about waiting for sledges and Stskeeps to hurry up and give me my jolla on N4 :D :D :D 06:56
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AL13Nyouth these days... too much excited waiting and impatience, not doing enough work themselves07:19
ggabrielexactly!07:20
ggabrieland where is the update? :)07:20
AL13N:-)07:22
AL13Ni wonder if it'd be possible to add configurable read-ahead cache to the FS-Cache module07:23
ggabrieli don't think the jolla has enough ram for that tbh07:23
AL13Nit should be possible to read-ahead blocks of the same file07:23
ggabrieldo you need to reboot to configure that? or is it a runtime thing?07:23
AL13Nggabriel: the FS-Cache module is a kernel module for caching, where you use local disk space07:23
AL13Nie: the µSD for example07:24
ggabrielso you reload07:24
AL13Ni had some people build me some kernel modules07:24
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AL13Nand i build the user space on my build chroot on my jolla07:24
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AL13Ni don't need to reboot07:24
AL13NFS-Cache generally works on netfs filesystems07:25
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ggabrieli guess it's a good idea depending on the use07:25
AL13Nggabriel: so, the idea is that you cache locally some blocks of the network mounts07:25
ggabrielmy point is that you don't have much memory if you have 9-10 applications open07:25
ggabrielnot at this point at least07:25
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AL13Nmy thinking is, if you configure read-ahead cache, if you're viewing a movie over NFS, you could still watch it for some time when network goes down07:26
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AL13Nggabriel: ic your point, but FS-cache is cache on filesystems07:26
AL13Nnot on memory07:26
ggabrieloh, right07:26
ggabrielcool07:26
ggabrieli'd just copy the film :D07:27
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AL13Ni'm gonna go ask the fscache/nfs module people07:27
AL13Nggabriel: i have at home an NFS with lotsa stuff07:27
AL13Ni don't want to wait until it's transferred to watch a movie07:27
ggabrielyeah, fair enough07:27
ggabrielnot my use case anyway07:28
ggabrieli have that, but i use the projector to watch stuf07:28
ggabriel+f07:28
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AL13Nthis is for when i'm in bed or something07:28
AL13Nof course, i still need to get earphones07:28
ggabrielhehe07:28
AL13Nand get xvid gstreamer plugin07:28
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Sailor_tawentcool the irc software works!07:41
jussigood news07:43
jussiAL13N: I love it that you called me "youth" :)07:44
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gabriel9|workanyone updated bash on sailfish?09:53
Stskeepsno, we're at an ancient done due to gplv309:53
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tevedo you mean https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/bash ?09:54
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gabriel9|workshould i trust that repo?09:55
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gabriel9|worki dont see source, maybe i should build it myself...09:56
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gabriel9|workStskeeps: can i build it on mer OBS?09:58
Stskeepsprobably09:58
gabriel9|worki sue arch and it pain to build rpm...09:58
gabriel9|workuse*09:58
TheBootroo_workohai09:58
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TheBootroo_workstill no LTE in the 1.0 update ?09:59
TheBootroo_workor maybe at least MUCH better 3G ?09:59
ggabrielwhat update? :)09:59
TheBootroo_workggabriel: hehe09:59
ggabrielnobody knows09:59
TheBootroo_workunicorn one ?09:59
ggabrielthe unicorn!09:59
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TheBootroo_workggabriel: the one that will turn any boring white TOH into rainbow farting colored TOH10:00
TheBootroo_workXD10:00
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ggabrieli need a black other half so that I can stick my apple sticker10:00
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gabriel9|work:D10:01
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TheBootroo_work\o/10:02
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suyStskeeps: you can't ship GPLv3 code on sailfish?10:47
Stskeepssuy: policy10:48
CoderCandyggabriel: apple TOH?10:49
CoderCandyNow with extra locking features, such as; no developer mode10:49
ggabrielCoderCandy: custom apple toh10:49
CoderCandyAnd a paid license in order to develop and distribute apps.10:50
suyStskeeps: company policy I assume? wow. but is that bad? I thought only free software-unfriendly companies had trouble with that.10:50
Teguor apple TOH could be an entire iPhone10:50
CoderCandyTegu: hehe, iPhone case TOH10:51
CoderCandySo you can attach your iPhone to your Jolla.10:51
Stskeepssuy: i'm on fingerterm atm but lets talk in detail when i am home10:51
suyStskeeps: ok, no worries :)  just surprised. Thanks.10:52
ggabrielan iphone other hand is useful as the iphone is heavier than the jolla, so when you drop the phone, it will always land on the iphone side10:52
CoderCandyThat's true!10:53
suosaaskiare you sure that the iphone is heavier?10:53
suosaaski;)10:53
CoderCandyLike a meat, err, phoneshield!10:53
suosaaskiJolla is like 140+g10:53
CoderCandyAbout the weight of an orange.10:53
ggabrielsuosaaski: yeah10:53
ggabrieliphone 4 at least10:54
suosaaskiiphone is 112g10:54
suosaaski(iphone 5/5s, that is)10:54
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CoderCandysuosaaski: you could use an iPad10:54
suosaaski4s is 140g, 4 is 137g10:54
CoderCandyiPad TOH10:54
ggabriel4 is def heavier10:54
kimmoliattaching apple to jolla is like parking too close to a .. ford10:55
suosaaski4 is 137g according to gsmarena, jolla is 141g10:55
ggabrielgsmarena...10:55
CoderCandykimmoli: or running hackintosh on a virtual machine on linux running on a mac?10:56
tbrjust strap a cat or a buttered sandwich to the back, that will make it land on the right side10:56
joonahoi_CoderCandy: I actually used to run OS X on linux on mac back in the ppc days ;)10:57
CoderCandyjoonahoi_: lol10:58
joonahoi_http://joona.fclose.org/ubuntu-powerbook/ the old setup details are still there10:58
AL13N_workhow about a airbag TOH ?10:59
AL13N_workor parachute TOH10:59
ggabrielrocket/jet TOH and goes back to my pocket11:00
kimmolihttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2518898/Honda-creates-Case-N-device-gives-phone-soft-landing-dropped.html11:00
AL13N_workquadcopter TOH11:00
AL13N_workit doesn't fall to begin with11:00
suosaaskiggabriel: well, jollas website also says 141g, and apples website also says 140g for 4s, just as gsmarena.11:00
ggabrielsuosaaski: the iphone is more compact, it should fall quicker ;)11:01
suosaaski:)11:01
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suosaaskiif you have both phones in your hand, the iphone might feel heavier cause it is smaller. Mind playing tricks or something :)11:02
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CoderCandyAlso, iPhones works like buttered bread11:07
CoderCandyIt always falls in ways that cracks its screen11:08
ggabrielwell, i dropped mine a few times11:08
ggabrielhad it for almost 3 years11:08
suosaaskiCoderCandy: that might be a problem with iphone 4/4s, glass is on both sides, so it might actually drop jolla-side down.11:08
CoderCandyAww11:08
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ggabrielglass on both sides... genius11:09
ggabrielpurple lens protectoin... genius11:09
suosaaskiindeed11:09
ggabrielwhat do you know, my 4's lens protector is madly scratched11:10
suosaaskito be honest, the only way to reproduce that purple effect on my iphone5 has been to do it on purpose, against sun and at a certain angle, and it still was not that bad actually.11:10
ggabrieland the n9's looks untouched *shrug*11:10
ggabrielyeah, but still...11:10
ggabrielwould you buy a camera with that "feature"?11:10
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ggabrielspeaking of cameras, the jolla took a nice pic indoors and with flash the other day11:11
suosaaskidepends, it still takes far better pictures than for example N9 did.11:11
ggabrielquite coloury tho, but you can't have everything11:11
ggabrielsuosaaski: so you would buy a nikon's lens that can potentially add purple to your pictures?11:12
ggabrielor would you rather go for a normal one (transparent elements)?11:12
ggabrieljust for scratch free's sake11:12
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ggabrieland I bet I can scratch it anyway11:13
suosaaskiggabriel: no, but that is a completely different thing. Would you buy a nikon lens that adds blur to your pictures? or grain? or whatever? mobile cameras are pretty much a compromise, no matter what the camera.11:13
ggabrielsuosaaski: agree, altho nokia has done a lot of nice things camera wise11:13
ggabrielthe n9's camera is quite old in comparison to the technology that apple uses now11:14
suosaaskiYes, it has. But then you buy a Lumia 1020 and realize that there is a 3-4 sec delay between taking pictures, and realize that it is no good for taking any sort of action photos...11:14
ggabrielalso, grain doens't depend on the lens, that's a sensor/illumination problem11:14
suosaaskiso the 1020 is again a compromise. Just in different areas.11:15
suosaaskiggabriel: well, then change "lens" to "camera" :)11:15
ggabriel:P11:15
ggabrieltrue about delay, didn't try any lumia tbh11:15
suosaaskithe point is, no mobile phone has a perfect camera.11:15
ggabrielthe jolla has a slight delay, but it's still pretty quick11:15
ggabrielthe n9 is still faster tho11:15
ggabrielwhich is cool11:15
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ggabrielthe iphone 4 is ok-ish11:16
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ggabrielhtc j = omg, kill me now kind of delay :P11:16
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suosaaskiThat delay is very disappointing. If you are waiting for your kid to blow the candles on his/her birthday cake, press too early, and then wait 4 secs to take a new pic... well... missed it.11:16
ggabrielsuosaaski: ok, get an slr for those things, you won't regret it11:17
stephg^video!11:17
suosaaskiI have a dslr... but I never use it, as I tend to carry my phone with me but not my dslr.11:17
suosaaskistephg: then the video is not as high quality as you might want with that 41Mpix thing you just bought :)11:18
ggabrielyeah, dslr can do video too11:18
ggabrielor a gopro11:18
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ggabrielediting is a pain tho11:18
ggabrieli understand that it's more practical with a camera phone11:18
ggabrielbut you _always_ have a delay11:18
suosaaskiAs said, they are always a compromise. It is up to the buyer/user to decide which compromise they can live with :)11:18
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ggabrielyou could fix this by software11:19
ggabrielat the expense of battery drain11:19
ggabrieljust start taking snapshots and the button is just the closest snapshot11:19
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ggabrieltricky with flash tho11:19
suosaaskiwell, for example, iphone 5s takes 10 pics / sec, but the pics are not as accurate as lumia 1020s 1pic/4sec :)11:20
ggabriel4secs sounds too much11:20
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ggabrielget a gopro :D11:21
suosaaskihttp://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-1020/242479-lumia-1020-shot-lag-time.html11:21
ggabrielit can take up to 30 pics/sec11:21
suosaaskithen I would have to carry it around... :)11:21
ggabrieland the quality is astonishing11:21
ggabrielit's very small11:21
suosaaskibut annoying to carry extra stuff :)11:22
ggabriela gopro toh11:22
ggabrielthat i can live with11:22
ggabrieland it's totally feasible11:22
suosaaskiI carry just my phone, unless I am specifically going somewhere to take photos, in which case I take my dslr11:22
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Stskeepssuy: okay, so, gplv3..11:31
Stskeepssuy: you have to understand that while we're a fairly friendly phone maker; we're also a platform maker (sailfishos) and while we believe strongly in a lot of things, our licensees of the platform might not necessarily11:32
Stskeepssuy: and being an up and comer platform you don't want to close too many doors11:33
Stskeepsif you'd like to have gplv3 components on your device, you're more than welcome to install them yourself, nothing's blocking it11:34
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Stskeepsthe alternative was either to stick to gplv2 components (which, fwiw, is a pain in the ass) or switch to busybox, which would just make everybody unhappy..11:35
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ppfreebsd userland!11:37
* pp runs11:37
Stskeepsor toolbox..11:38
Stskeeps:P11:38
suosaaskiI wonder what chances there would be on installing sailfish on a lenovo a1000l tablet...11:38
suyStskeeps: OK, I understand.11:38
Stskeepssuosaaski: what SoC is that?11:38
Stskeepssuy: there's some other funky issues about patents and such but i also feel a bit that gplv3 hurt open source more than it improved matters..11:39
suosaaskisome mediatek thingy...11:39
ppthankfully gplv2+ is a valid license :-)11:39
Stskeepssuosaaski: got kernel source?11:39
Stskeepsand what MTxxxx11:40
suosaaskihttp://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/ideatab/a-series/a1000/#techspecs11:40
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suyWell, eglibc seems LGPL >=2 still11:40
Stskeeps8317 .. that's a new one11:40
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Stskeepssuosaaski: high, but would require grease work11:41
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suosaaskigreat, let me know when it's done! o_O :D (just kidding :))11:42
Stskeepsmediatek is blessed in the sense that it uses a fairly default android 4.1.1 baseline11:42
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RaYmAnStskeeps: wait, what? Default? Mediatek android is hacked up to hell11:51
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StskeepsRaYmAn: yes, but not the parts i'm interested in11:52
RaYmAnStskeeps: gralloc_extra? :/11:52
Stskeepsnot interested in that for libhybris11:52
Stskeepsonly ones i'm truly interested in is bionic, libcutils and rebuilding libEGL11:52
RaYmAndoesn't it still use gralloc and stuff?11:53
Stskeepssure, but they seem to stick to normal HAL .h's11:53
Stskeepsat least on mt65811:53
Stskeeps911:53
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* tbr ponders how sailfish would fare on the archos phones :)11:54
Stskeepstbr: it won't make them waterproof.11:54
Stskeepshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRl47PrzWHs11:55
Stskeeps:P11:55
Quupoot11:55
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tbrStskeeps: that one was awesome :)11:55
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RaYmAnStskeeps: some of it might be hwcomposer related, but: https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/q/status:open+topic:mt6589,n,z - and that's just to get it running.11:56
* Stskeeps looks11:56
RaYmAnThey seem ok at a glance, but when you actually try to get shit running, they fail you :P11:56
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RaYmAnI know there's work being done to pressure mediatek into writing sane code, but obivously that won't happen quickly11:57
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Stskeeps:nod:11:57
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Stskeepshwcomposer is the only one i would grimace a bit at11:58
RaYmAnThere's also a few devices that needs to be mknod'ed on boot since they implemented the drivers poorly11:58
RaYmAnI find it almost humorous that they added their own custom, closed source log system 'xlog'11:59
RaYmAn(Even in the OEM BSP's it's provided as a .o or .a)11:59
Stskeepsit's the age of throwaway code..12:00
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RaYmAntrue enough. You just quickly grow to hate mediatek with a passion after working with their code for more than a day or two :P12:05
Aardwin 22812:06
StskeepsRaYmAn: probably yes12:06
StskeepsRaYmAn: i'm looking at my dream of becoming a farmer on the mountains of romania at times when understanding what actually runs our phones today12:06
RaYmAnlol12:06
gabriel9|worki started with beekeeping12:08
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mornfallStskeeps: I used to think about becoming a farmer in south of France back when I worked on desktop stuff. :P12:24
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QuuAard: thats a lot of windows12:34
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clau2Stskeeps: so you still dream about Romania :)12:41
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chem|stmornfall: I know a farmer in the south of france whom I would not trust with even handing him a device with batteries...12:53
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chem|stI found a device noone would ever think about porting sfos to... siemens gigaset sl930...12:55
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kimmolilandline telephone ??12:56
chem|stkimmoli: yeah a voip/dect/gap whatever phone12:56
chem|stwith android12:56
kimmoliooo answering machine app12:57
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chem|stthe answering machine is integrated with the station12:57
chem|stI have a s675a ip and no more traditional landline for about 7 years now12:58
chem|stso I am actually thinking of donating mine to my grandma and buy a sl930a12:59
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chem|stfor now I ordered a headset and will make my tablet my station but if that does not work out I need an alternative12:59
chem|stso I found the sl930 but it has android...13:00
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chem|stI think it is having the station only for traditional landline and the AM13:02
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chem|stwtf no BT...13:03
chem|stanyone else an idea, as long as Jolla has no SIP I am forced to use my tablet... (also android)13:04
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mornfallchem|st: I hear you can dial SIP addresses from the command line16:00
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sharpneliNice. My Jolla alarm clock decided to be completely silent16:11
sharpneliI overslept due to it. Now it just buzzez the vibra and doesn't play any sounds16:11
ggabrieloh, the no sound bug16:11
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sharpneliI also wonder how many phone calls I've missed16:14
ggabrielno missed calls?16:14
sharpneliSomeone tried to call me when my phone was on my hand -> unable to be reached. I was able to call him and after that he was able to call me back16:14
sharpneliEven reboot doesn't restore the alarm clock sounds :(16:16
ggabrielbattery trick?16:16
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sharpneliDidn't help16:19
sharpneliWell it played the sound for like 1 second then went silent again16:19
flanaghas there been even any suspicion about what might cause that bug? sounds really annoying16:20
Pnuumany sounds are16:20
Pnuu..I'll get mi coat16:21
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ggabrielPnuu: it's funny because it's true16:21
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flanagbtw, has there been any progress on solving the "waking up to a black screen" bug?16:22
sharpneliFunnily enough it also decided to eat 60% of the battery today.16:22
flanagconnection loop?16:22
sharpneliUsually it takes like 30%. Might be related?16:22
flanagdo you know if it was at some point doing the connection problem loop? I've heard that some people have had that happen while the phone is in their pocket and that has consumed a lot of battery16:24
flanagmight also be related to the sound bug, but I know nothing about that16:24
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sharpneliI cannot seem to be able to even start pulseaudio anymore :O16:27
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sharpneliYeah it seems to be related. It sucks battery like no tomorrow. But for some reason the CPU is idle so it's something else sucking it16:33
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chem|stmornfall: with audio sinks swapped you may even make a call16:34
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chem|stflanag: do you mean waking up in the morning with your device off or a black but lit screen?16:36
flanaga black but lit screen16:37
flanagI just wrote that weirdly16:37
chem|stthat is something is hogging the device and the only thing getting through is "turn the light on"16:37
flanagI had that happen at least five times today when I just took my Jolla out of my pocket to check the clock.. but after I closed the browser from background it hasn't happened again today16:38
flanagcheck the time*16:38
chem|sthappens to me quiet often when in dodgy reception16:38
flanagoh, so it's about reception16:38
flanagas I was in an area with bad reception16:38
flanagso that sounds like a good explanation16:39
FireFlySo um, about that update...16:39
FireFlyStill scheduled for this week?16:39
flanagyeaha16:39
flanag*yeah16:39
FireFlyOkay16:39
chem|stif your device is on, lit and displys something it is becoming unusable for a couple of seconds16:39
sharpneliWhat part handles pulseaudio? I was unable to find it under systemd16:39
chem|stif your display is off, you get a lit screen16:39
chem|stsharpneli: pulseaudio16:40
sharpnelichem|st: What starts it?16:40
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sharpnelihttp://pastebin.com/WJTn8uEH This is pulseaudio log16:46
sharpneliI managed to launch the daemon with logging enabled16:46
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FireFly>.>16:50
FireFlyspontaneous reboot just as I finish typing my comment for an app in the store16:50
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flanagyeah.. I have been suffering from that too16:51
FireFlyI'm even at home, on wifi and everything16:51
flanagyou should test if your sim is easily disconnected by (very gently) pushing on the sim bracket (take the other half off)16:51
FireFlyearlier reboots for me have been while on the train, i.e. bad reception seems likely16:52
flanagI still suspect that the sim bracket problem is causing those16:52
FireFlyHm16:52
FireFlyDoesn't seem to do anything, so probably not the cause16:52
FireFlyI'm also using a stock micro-sim FWIW16:53
FireFlyi.e. haven't cut it myself16:53
flanagso you took the other half off and touched the sim card?16:53
FireFlyYes16:53
flanagI haven't cut it myself either16:53
flanagso hmm, maybe those restarts aren't connected to that problem after all.. that's a relief for me16:53
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flanaghave you ever lost the connection to the sim? (the phone asks for pin)16:54
FireFlyNot without a reboot, no16:54
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sharpneliAnd now I lost call sounds too and even battery reboot didn't fix it :D16:54
sharpneliOh my god this device is disintegrating rapidly16:54
flanagwhat do you mean by "not without a reboot, no"?16:54
Stskeepssharpneli: that does not sound good16:55
FireFlyWell16:55
flanagso you have never picked your Jolla from the pocket and had it ask for pin?16:55
FireFlyOnce or maybe twice I've felt a vibration indicating a reboot, and then when I pick it up it asks for pin16:55
FireFly(I *think* that's the vibration I've noticed at least..)16:55
Stskeepssharpneli: try switch ambiences?16:56
FireFlyor does it vibrate even if it only lost connection with the sim?16:56
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flanagI think it vibrates when booting up16:56
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FireFlyAlso notable, I never had any issues pre-1.0.3.8, so I still believe this reboot thing is a regression introduced in that update16:57
sharpneliStskeeps: Didn't restore system sounds16:57
FireFlyOr rather, that's what it seems like from my use16:57
Stskeepssharpneli: if you still have the problem tomorrow, i can put you in touch with our PA guy16:58
Stskeepsjust outside work hours atm16:58
flanagFireFly: same situation here, no problems (none at all) before the update16:58
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flanagbtw, what's a PA guy? I tried google already, so don't suggest that :)17:00
ruskiepulseaudio guy hehe17:00
flanagah17:00
flanagit was that simple17:00
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sharpneliI'll attempt factory reset. I hope it recognizes the backups I have on PC17:16
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the_scourgeare there binary modules required for functionality on the jolla?17:19
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the_scourgei need to get my company a bunch of phones but i have some pretty tight requirements and i think i'm going to be waiting for the neo900...17:20
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ggabrielthe_scourge: define "binary modules"17:25
sharpneliOk. I cannot factory reset :D17:26
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sharpneliThe dialog freezes after I press accept and remains there17:26
sharpneliIt does nothing on background17:26
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Venemo_jhm17:37
Venemo_jis LTE also gonna be enabled in the march update?17:38
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Venemo_jit just occoured to me that march is the last month in Q1 201417:38
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flanagdid they say that LTE would be released in Q1 2014?17:41
ggabrielnobody knows :P17:41
Nicd-flanag: yes, they did at some point17:41
flanagI was just asking because Venemo_j said like they have promised it for Q117:42
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Venemo_jyes they did17:42
flanagnow I found this: "There's no public ETA for LTE yet but all I can say that some new features will start shipping at Q1. It might or might not include LTE depending how mature is the feature seen for the public release. tigeli ( 2013-12-26 01:53:42 +0200 )"17:42
Venemo_jof course, by now everyone forgot it and will deny any such promisd17:42
Venemo_jyeah17:42
flanagbut that's from 26.12.201317:43
Venemo_jin december it was “LTE's coming in Q1 2014”17:43
Venemo_jso now Q1 is almost over17:43
flanagwell, we can only wait :/17:43
ggabrielthey'll still do regular updates anyway17:44
flanagyeah17:44
ggabrielmore pressing things before lte tho17:45
ggabrielimo17:45
flanagyeah, I agree with that17:45
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flanagthese serious bugs should be solved as soon as possible17:45
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ggabrielthat and some other missing features17:45
sharpneliFinally managed to perform a factory reset. It seems to have solved the sound issue for now17:45
ggabrielsharpneli: good to hear, sad it had to be a factory reset :S17:45
flanaghow you solved the problem with the factory reset?17:45
flanagwould be nice to know for future if I end up in a similar situation17:46
flanag(as you said it got stuck there)17:46
sharpneliflanag: Waited for ages, then just shut my device down -> it reseted17:47
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sharpneliIt seems the factory reset is done at startup17:47
sharpneliAnd it had just failed to automatically boot the device17:47
flanagah ok17:47
flanagI wonder why that happened17:47
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Venemo_jggabriel: they'll still do regular updates?17:56
ggabrielthat's what they say, yeah17:56
ggabrielwell, that's what *I* understand from the page17:57
Venemo_jsure17:57
ggabrielsailfish is no onger in beta in jolla.com17:57
ggabrieland yet it still says "regular updates"17:57
ggabrielso...17:57
Venemo_jlast update was 1.5 months ago now17:57
Venemo_janyway17:57
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Venemo_jI just want a usable browser and email client17:57
Venemo_jBBL17:58
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ggabrielVenemo_j: fwiw, lots of email client fixes under the tag mar1417:59
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TimoFinally copy/paste then?18:00
ggabrieli honestly skimmed through the list, feel free to check it18:02
TimoAnd native input fields in the browser would be nice as well.18:02
ggabrielnot sure what you mean18:04
ggabrielis there a tjc for that?18:04
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Accehe means that it would be nice if there was proper text editing in browser input fields18:05
Accenow you can resize the fields, properly scroll the text or anything18:05
ggabrielok18:05
ggabrieli may have seen the tjc in the past18:05
Acceyeah, me too18:06
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Acceit was more like "make the browser better, now!", but the input was also mentioned18:07
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Stskeepshttp://www.unclesgames.com/images/products/23717_big.jpg is basically how it looks like in our release and irc discussions; we're working very hard to push the release :P18:08
Acceit might have been better for Jolla to have a "closed" beta.. and say the phone comes out in 201518:08
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Accethen all the impatient guys who want everything now would be gone, maybe :)18:08
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ggabrielharmattan's mail client hangs rarely18:10
Accethere most be something gigantic coming in the next release18:10
ggabrielcan that be fixed to!!!!18:10
Acceggabriel: even I can fix that, if you show me the code18:10
ggabrielhehe18:11
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AardVenemo_j: we're catching up on the resource drain caused by mwc, that screwed a bit with release schedule18:18
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ggabrieltruesay18:20
Acceyesterday was Truesday18:20
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chem|stAcce: I totally agree18:22
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QuuAcce: i disagree18:23
chem|stAcce: otoh you get all this fun with $users who think they are tech savvy18:23
Quuyesterday was tomorrow18:23
ggabrieli used to have a manager who said he was tech savvy18:23
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ggabrielwhen you start needing to explain what you are18:23
ggabrielyou probably aren't that :P18:23
sharpneliOk. I factory reseted. Installed both the updates. It worked for like 10 minutes and now I don't have sounds anymore again18:23
Stskeepssharpneli: ugh18:24
chem|stggabriel: lol18:24
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ggabrielsharpneli: :(18:24
Stskeepssharpneli: any chance you can poke in working hours tomorrow?18:24
chem|stsharpneli: put it aside, wait for the upgrade if it is still there afterwards call care18:25
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sharpneliStskeeps: I'll be available. PA guy comes to irc?18:26
Stskeepssharpneli: yeah i'll make him prod you18:27
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sharpneliStskeeps: Did you update pulseaudio recently?18:30
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Stskeepshmm i don't know18:31
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sharpneliI made a backup of the latest pulseaudio confs and I'm resetting the device again and then I'll run a diff from the older version18:38
sharpneliThe conf files are dated 27.1 this year so I'd kinda guess something happened on that update18:39
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ggabrielugh, was going to offer what mine says but don't have the phone with me :P18:40
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FireFlysharpneli: hm, is 1.0.2.5 old enough, you think?18:42
ggabrielthat's def not 27-jan :)18:43
sharpneliFireFly: Should be. But I reseted it already18:44
FireFlyOh, okay18:44
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sharpneliThe sounds didn't work after reset18:46
sharpneliBut reset + battery trick during the reboot did fix them18:46
ggabrieli'm actually scared of removing the battery just in case :P18:47
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McCloud_1983hello18:54
Stskeepshello18:55
McCloud_1983jolla+syncevolution+gmail=url?18:55
McCloud_1983it confuses me multiple urls to insert18:56
sharpneliThis reset failed coz it crashed on dev mode enabling18:57
sharpneli*sigh*18:57
sharpneliI so want a real image instead of hope for the best reset mode18:57
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Venemo_jggabriel: nice to hear19:01
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sharpnelipulseaudio-4.0-1.4.1.armv7hl on this update19:06
sharpneliThe 1.0.38 had 5.0-git+whatnotstuff19:06
sharpneliThis is the stock 1.0.519:07
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ortylphi, who is going to CLT this weekend?19:14
Stskeepsclt?19:14
ortylphttp://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/19:15
sharpneliOk. Nothing weird on /etc/pulse/ files. Just some simple config changes.19:15
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FireFlysharpneli: what was the issue with PA btw?19:19
FireFlyor is I suppose19:19
sharpneliNo idea yet. I just have a hunch that it's the culprit19:19
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sharpnelihttps://together.jolla.com/question/18487/nearly-no-sound-at-all/ It can also have something to do with this19:20
sharpneliI do not know if the sound is off or just almost muted19:20
sharpneli"played my ringtone for testing, after 2sec sound disappeared again" sounds just what I'm experiencing now19:21
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ortylpStskeeps: is there a chance for the update until Friday, so that I could show current Jolla to interested Linux geeks at CLT? As for me in day to day use it still cannot beat SG Note 3 with CM :(19:24
starkersoooh Sailfish ported to nexus 4!?19:26
* starkers gets all excited19:26
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sharpneliYeah I'm unable to get my sounds to bug at Maadjärvi19:29
sharpneliIncidentally it also uses pulseaudio 4 and not the 519:29
starkersso the only issue with the port is audio?19:30
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flanagif I have understood correctly, he's not talking about the Nexus 419:31
sharpneliI'm talking about Jolla19:32
flanagwho even said anything about the Nexus 4 (apart from starkers)?19:32
starkersJust me, over excited lol19:32
flanagyeah, seems so :)19:33
sharpneliThis kinda explains it. Pulseaudio 5.0 was released on 3.3.2014, so the version in Jolla currently is unstable release :E19:33
starkershave my phone to genjix as he codes better but I miss Sailfish, buying another phone now so I can repurpose my mako19:33
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sharpneliCan someone with the latest update check what is the exact version of pulseaudio? Just run pkcon search name pulse and paste the line corresponding to installed pulseaudio19:38
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coderuspulseaudio-4.0+git5-1.2.1.armv7hl19:43
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sharpneliThanks19:43
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sledgespulseaudio4 works fine on nexus419:50
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* Morpog_PC checks https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris19:51
Morpog_PCsledges, back to work :D19:51
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sledgesMorpog_PC: is this how you promote co-creation? :D19:53
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Morpog_PCsure sledges it works since stone age, one has to use the whip ;)19:55
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sledges:D19:55
sledgesMorpog_PC: nemo mobile icon set, now! :D19:57
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Morpog_PCI got that other dude doing it already :D19:57
Morpog_PCSee, it works ;)19:57
sledgesbut they will have to be unified ;P now they are coming from at least 3 different designers, is like using 3 fonts in same paragaph ;P but im sure you guys will pull this off19:58
Morpog_PCwell, hopefully :D19:58
Morpog_PCif not we redoe them again and again and again19:59
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Morpog_PCbut atm I'm still too much addicted to SailfishOS19:59
Morpog_PCNemo has to wait19:59
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chem|stwohoo19:59
* Morpog_PC needs 48h days20:00
sledgestell me about it20:00
chem|stMorpog_PC: you need less work20:00
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Morpog_PCsure, I just need to find someone who earns the money for me :D20:00
* Morpog_PC looks out for his leather whip20:01
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sledgesMorpog_PC: i thought you sorted that already :D20:01
* Morpog_PC just realized sledges is doing his hobby as job now20:02
sledgesMorpog_PC: i will transfer the regular payment to you tomorrow as scheduled *g*20:03
bencoh:]20:03
nickg__hi all. I started using a blue/green other half a week ago, and ever since my phone frequently reboots when I answer a phone call or am in the middle of a phone call. Also it often gets stuck in a reboot loop, or will just reboot itself when it's left on it's own. Any ideas what I can do about it?20:03
StskeepsMorpog_PC: s/job/slavery/g20:03
Stskeepsnickg__: power off device, pull battery for 10 minutes20:04
sledgesyou see Morpog_PC , whip has been re-invented long time before in jolla :)20:04
* Morpog_PC makes room in his bank account for the flood of money coming in20:04
Morpog_PChehe20:04
tigeliflanag: the paste says that new features start shipping in Q1, and it does not say if LTE is included during Q1.20:04
nickg__Stskeeps: yeah, I've done that but the problem comes back again soon after. Also, it's hard to do that when you're standing in a train carriage full of commuters20:05
Stskeepsnickg__: yeah :/20:05
nickg__when's the next update? I wish they were more frequent20:05
sledgesnickg__: tried popping the white half back on? (i still don't think that's related)20:05
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Morpog_PCnickg__, it's rumoured for next friday20:05
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tigeliI has a rumour20:05
Stskeepsin another timeline, the release is already out20:06
flanagtigeli: that was exactly my point20:06
nickg__sledges, i'm going to check I've got the OH service disabled, and might try the white OH again20:06
flanagtigeli: I wasn't saying that LTE was promised to come20:06
flanagI was saying that it _wasn't_ promised to come20:07
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Morpog_PCwho needs LTE anyway?20:07
tigeliflanag: yeah.. but some people tend to read it so :D20:07
nickg__also, has anyone noticed that the OHs become a bit flexible and creaky after they've been taken on and off a couple of times?20:08
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nickg__it happened to my white OH but I thought that was just where it had been stretched due to wads of tin foil20:08
tigelinickg__: few have said so20:08
flanagmine was always creaky20:09
tigelibut I have not made research about it ;)20:09
nickg__hopefully once they fix these reboot bugs we won't have to take the OHs off twice a day, and they won't start creaking20:11
AcceLTE = Little Too Expensive20:12
flanagtrue20:13
* chem|st is stroking his miner and looks thoughtful to Morpog_PC 20:13
Morpog_PC:D20:14
chem|stMorpog_PC: I think a whip has no effect on it, well stroking does not as well but I might try to pet it some day drunk^^20:14
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chem|stAcce: LTE = much more than I have at home and that I do not even need most of the time20:19
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chem|stfor most things are 300kb/s fair... or are you streaming bluerays20:21
chem|stnickg__: my sisters broke20:23
Acceyeah, I just browse web and occasionally watch sh*t-quality youtube videos, I don't see much use for LTE20:23
ShadowJKlatency is fixed > lte > hspa > hsdpa > 3g > edge > gprs20:23
ShadowJKand latency matters alot for websurf20:23
Accehave you guys heard of the pCell hype?20:23
chem|stShadowJK: latency does not matter at all for websurf20:24
ShadowJKIt seems like the biggest contrinutor to webpage loading times20:24
ShadowJKcontributor*20:24
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chem|stvoip and games are the onlything latency is getting relevant20:24
ShadowJKI mean, on fibre internets the difference in page load time on talk.maemo.org was dramatical when it moved from US server to EU server ;)20:26
chem|stShadowJK: it adds to the loading time sure but is there a kill you don't get or a phonecall you cannot make?20:26
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ShadowJKactually, most interactive web surf things are pretty annoying on high latency20:26
chem|stShadowJK: us server?20:27
ShadowJKespecially on android browsers and sailfish browsers, latency is especially annoyig as you can't use "open in background tab" trick to preload pages while reading something else20:27
ShadowJKchem|st; as I'm in eu, when the tmo server moved from united states to europe, page load time went from couple seconds to about half second per page20:28
chem|stShadowJK: I never recognized any difference20:29
flanaghey btw, has that "open in a background tab" been requested? I think that would be quite simple to implement and I desperately need it (I understand that we may not get actual tabs yet but I just want to open some links to the background so I can check them later)20:29
chem|stflanag: week one by me20:30
flanagwell I hope they implement it20:30
chem|stthere is not enough ram20:30
flanaghey.. read what I said20:30
flanag"(I understand that we may not get actual tabs yet but I just want to open some links to the background so I can check them later)"20:30
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chem|stthey do not preload pages as you would need to cache them out somewhere on the disk instead of actually having them in ram20:31
flanagI know..20:31
flanagI just want to open the pages to the background (not load) for me to check later20:31
chem|stflanag: ehrm you can open as many links to the packground as you like... that was there since release20:31
flanagaarghh20:32
flanaglet me explain20:32
ShadowJKfirefox/gecko seems to be pretty good at consuming ram20:32
flanagwhen I am browsing on a forum for example, I want to open some threads and continue browsing down on the page I am currently20:32
chem|stflanag: yes you can do that20:32
chem|stthat is what I am saying20:32
flanagwell, explain me how20:32
chem|stah open in background...20:32
flanagwhat20:32
chem|stok now I see20:32
ShadowJKpeople whined about "not enough ram", "not enough specs", and other people claimed it'll be fixed in software, or that sailfish doesn't need much, but here we are with not enough ram :)20:33
chem|stI don't use it that much sorry, you can open several tabs but it always loads what you opened last, right?20:33
flanagyeah20:33
chem|stok20:33
chem|stsry20:33
flanagnp20:33
flanagI could of course use Webcat but it just stutters too much when scrolling20:34
chem|stShadowJK: ram is the only thing I would be complaining, but as it is faster than any android phone <400eur I know I am more than happy and reside silent!20:34
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chem|stotoh it is the bad ram management that is preventing gecko from being evolutionary20:35
chem|stthe easy fix would be more ram20:35
flanaghow much does the browser actually use with a page open?20:36
flanagI think we could have at least two tabs with no problems20:36
chem|stthe obvious fix would be to kill all websites that have BS runtimes pushed to your ram20:36
chem|stflanag: I'd guess we could have 20 if none of them is facebook linkedin instagram google etc20:37
chem|stthey need ot make up their mind and not relayout the full blown website into a mobile.css20:38
ShadowJKgecko seems to keep track of how much individual tabs use20:39
chem|sta friend of mine had massive jscript on his website and I bet I can make all this without risking tomuch bandwidth and without a single line of jscript... took me 4 hours, but it was worth the crate!20:40
FireFlyabbreviate it to js instead20:41
ShadowJKone massive jscript is much nicer than 200 different css and js though20:41
FireFlyer20:41
FireFlyor what is 'jscript' here?20:41
chem|stI just wanted to proof a point... I also shortened his css file to 90 lines (from +400) with same functionality as before20:43
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