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chem|stStskeeps: you are free to ping-query me on such matter...00:01
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Nicd-update day!06:58
Nicd-amiright guys06:58
inffy_are you sure :)06:59
inffy_maybe they work overtime and the update comes sunday :D06:59
Stskeepsyou have to remember that we don't know what weekends are06:59
Nicd-hope this request of mine makes it to some update: https://together.jolla.com/question/18948/request-save-phone-model-in-photo-exif/07:03
Kiranos_there is a tag on together called jan14 https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/tags:jan14/page:1/07:06
Kiranos_what is that highlighting?07:06
Stskeepsjan14 was 1.0.3.8?07:06
Kiranos_ah seems right07:06
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Sail0rupdate day !07:57
ggabrieltoo late Sail0r07:57
ggabrielit has been said before07:57
Sail0r:x07:57
ggabrieli've got better news: it's friday!07:57
Sail0rnow i don't get my update anymore ^^07:57
ggabriel(hopefully my flight won't be delayed)07:57
ggabrielha!07:57
ggabriellook at the led07:57
jabisI'm waiting for the price estimate on my bashed screen08:00
Nicd-should've used zsh08:01
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jabisNicd-: true - then it wouldda been less verbose mosaic x)08:25
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v3ng3anc3Hey08:42
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ggabrielo/08:45
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gabriel9|workmorning08:50
mornfallmorning indeed08:52
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* rangoy is constantly checking my jolla for updates... reminds me about http://xkcd.com/281/09:14
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Nicd-I'm just waiting that the channel explodes09:16
Nicd-that's how you know it's out09:17
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rangoyNicd-: i know... everyone is just sitting and starring at their irc window now :)09:20
gabriel9|worki am watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnjUhQvGi009:20
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ggabrielKABOOM09:21
ggabriel(troll explosion)09:21
Frye=)09:21
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Sail0rhm turned on screen and all apps closed immediatly09:33
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Sail0rjournalctl says for all apps smth like09:34
Sail0rjolla-settings[26208]: [D] TreeItem::debugDump:205 - 2 "pin_code" QVariant(QString, "pin.json")09:34
Sail0rlot's of debugDumps09:34
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FireFlyReboot-loop question... when people talk about 'reboot loop', is that about the reboot-before-grey-LED-and-PIN-entry-screen kind?09:35
Morpog_Jollayes09:35
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FireFlyBecause I just had a 'delayed' loop with sudden reboot consistently after a few seconds of seeing the lock screen09:36
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FireFlyhopefully related to the first and not a separate iszue09:36
FireFlyisue*09:36
FireFlyargh09:36
* FireFly blames fingerterm vkb09:36
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Morpog_Jollajust use communi :)09:45
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Fryecommuni is awesome09:58
FryeI use it all the time09:59
FryeBy far the best irc client available to mobile devices10:00
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FireFlycommuni is nice, but maliit has even more inconvenient access to common symbols10:05
FireFlyand I'm too lazy to setup a bnc when I can just mosh to my weechat session :P10:06
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aryeah, mosh in terminal and tmux with a proper irc client there is nice10:10
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* ggabriel will have to go find out what mosh is, it's been mentioned many a time10:12
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ggabrielwe should all troll jolla and refuse to update for a week once the update is out10:14
thpFireFly: well if you can re-use any of the existing terminal emulator libs and integrate it into fingerterm (which would mean make it render using Qt Scene Graph inside QML), i'd be all for integrating that10:15
thpFireFly: bonus points if you integrate a library that can do reflowing of text when the window size changes10:16
arggabriel: http://mosh.mit.edu/10:18
ggabrielar: ta, have found it anyway10:18
mornfall#jolla #update #available #fail pic.twitter.com/Ie9dUwKc2H :D10:20
Stskeepsa good reply would be 'wait for it.."10:20
Stskeeps:P10:20
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ggabrielStskeeps: thanks, you've made that funny10:21
jussiStskeeps - "comedy on call" :P10:21
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ggabrielmulti skilled chap10:21
mornfallit's gonna be ... wait for it.10:21
kimmoli_sailing_anyone working on rdp client?10:22
ggabrielvnc?10:22
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mornfallvnc isn't really a good replacement, sadly10:23
ggabrielrdp is windows isn't it?10:23
kimmoli_sailing_yep10:23
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kimmoli_sailing_yep10:23
ggabrielah, ok, dunno then... seem to remember seeing something vnc related somewhere10:23
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ggabrielbut i just can't figure how one would control a computer with a tiny phone screen :)10:24
ggabrielbluemaemo, however, would be a lot more useful10:24
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sharpneliI find it hard to believe that bluemaemo would actually be useful. It basically allows one to use the worst possible feature in a smartphone to control machines with way superior inputs.10:26
kimmoli_sailing_have done that with N9... need is usually monitor windows only temperaturechamber sw10:26
ggabrielsharpneli: i can quote at least 2 use cases :)10:26
sharpneliggabriel: One is probably using the keyb on PS310:27
ggabrielsharpneli: not necessarily, the ps3 has a nice control already, but fwiw, i'll enumerate10:28
ggabriel1. home theatre pc - no keyboard/mouse, all you need is to use the mouse a bit to put a film on MAYBE the keyboard10:28
ggabriel2. laptop on the road, use the phone as a bluetooth mouse on the table rather than carrying yet another thing with you (i don't know how reliable is the phone as a mouse on a flat surface though, never tried it).10:29
ggabriel1 > 2 ofc10:29
ggabrieland any other use case where kbd/mouse are far from you and you need them scarcely10:29
ggabriel3. flipping slides on a presentation perhaps (and no, I'd rather BT 1M times than a custom powerpoint/keynote "app")10:29
ggabrielthing is... it's quite a generic thing, it may have other uses too10:30
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Guest19346hi everyone10:36
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sharpneliggabriel: The little I've used PS3 as a media center I've noticed that typing is absolutely atrocious with the controller. So that's why that came into my mind10:36
sharpneliE.g search from youtube (classic party usecase)10:37
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sharpneliSame applies for mediacenter pc10:37
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ggabrielsharpneli: yeah, undertsand, but becuse i have a pc next to it, i just switch for those occasions :)10:37
ggabrielatm i have a bt kbd and mouse10:37
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ggabrielwhich just clutter everything for the very little use i give them10:37
ggabrielofc this is a fwp, right? i'm just saying bluemameo would make my life easier in that case10:38
sharpneliPersonally I have just a PC. But yeah I see your point.10:38
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niuranhello11:57
niuranany info about when sailfish 1.0 will be released?11:58
Nightmare__<Stskeeps> a good reply would be 'wait for it.."11:59
Sail0rfirst week of march ;)11:59
Sail0rbut they said no year11:59
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Stskeeps201612:01
niurani hope in this month,but...12:01
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Sail0rI prefer a working release over a rushed ;)12:02
pplooks like they're busy committing: https://github.com/nemomobile/commhistory-daemon/commits/master :-)12:02
sharpneli"Show notifications for successfully received MMS"12:03
sharpneliOooo!12:03
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ppeven if they don't ship it in the upcoming release they seem to have been really productive :-)12:05
chem|stpp: that means they are already working on the next release... so where is the mar14 one?12:05
niuranmaybe is matter of a few days12:06
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AcceWhere is the update!!!???12:12
stephgover there! →12:12
gabriel9|worksomewhere out there12:12
* Acce goes fetch it12:12
simbrownit's behind you!12:12
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Accebend over, this time the update comes from behind!12:13
gabriel9|worki would like update on sdk12:13
gabriel9|workaccount API12:13
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s1gk1llyes, SDK needs to improve asap12:27
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gabriel9|workand documentation12:42
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Milo-"sailfish os is now finished and version 1.0 is now ready" was said a month ago :)12:43
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Milo-it seems like someone jumped the gun.12:43
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Milo-also, isn't 1.0 a downgrade considering the current version is 1.0.3.8? :P12:44
tbrMilo-: it was shown at MWC, your point is void12:44
Acce"1.0" is a gimmick marketing trick to fool the puny ;)12:45
tbrMilo-: ah, you feel like nitpicking, the trollpit is down the hallway to the right12:45
Milo-Acce exactly :)12:45
bencohit is friday after all12:45
Milo-tbr not everything "negative" or pedantic is trolling.12:46
Milo-gah... "everything that is "negative" or pedantic..."12:46
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Gorithcan I disable the theme loaded from other half (first one) somehow?12:55
tbrremove the nfc-tag or mask it with a piece of tin foil12:55
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WntGorith: or just remove it from the favourite ambiances13:00
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rangoyGorith: open galery, open a ambience, enable it in the pulley13:09
CoderCandyHi people, where does one go for news from jolla?13:10
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CoderCandySo I don't need to nag you folks for info all the time :p13:11
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WntCoderCandy: I use twitter13:11
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CoderCandyOh, hmm, yeah13:11
CoderCandyuh, huh?13:12
Wntand follow some blogs that write about jolla, some of their developer who go to conferences, and of course jolla itself13:12
CoderCandyWhy are their tweets protected? :(13:12
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WntCoderCandy: whose tweets?13:13
CoderCandy@JollaMobile13:13
Nicd-CoderCandy: look at @JollaHQ13:14
Wntthis is the official account of Jolla: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ13:14
CoderCandyOoh, okay, google results had me confused.13:14
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Morpog_PCare we there yet?13:34
Morpog_PC:D13:34
sharpneliEveryone make a timed script saying "Are we there yet?" every 30 seconds!13:34
rangoy"Are we there yet?13:35
Yaniel"Are we there yet?"13:36
Sailor341"Are we there yet?"13:36
slacko25328"Are we there yet?"13:36
yanooYeti?13:36
Nicd-I have to peeeeee13:37
tbrhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0tje6xfWs13:37
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VDVsxhumm, quite interesting article: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2115612/why-not-to-deploy-on-a-friday :P13:44
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jussi"bout an hour"13:50
tbrVDVsx: given that jolla doesn't seem to have a notion of weekend or day/night/sleep, I'm not sure that really matters ;-þ13:51
VDVsxyeah, a bit unlike :P13:52
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rangoyguess they are using http://xkcd.com/320/13:56
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chem|stVDVsx: it takes 3 days till all people have it and the bugreporting increases rapidly, so why not have them 2 free days and start reading reports on monday? And you may have a fix for a critical bug on tuesday morning... if you ship monday you will have a bug flying at least till wed, as noone had time to validate it for you (community is pretty good in it)14:00
VDVsxchem|st, well, if infra goes down or any other issue, people need to be available14:02
fluxI guess there's always someone ready to pull the plug on the ugprade if it turns out it bricks 10% of devices ;)14:02
flux(of course, jolla's internal testings must be very good so that could never happen)14:03
chem|stVDVsx: serveradmins do not have a 5 day week do they?14:03
VDVsxguess most people at Jolla are humans, they need rest :)14:03
fluxahha, the problem lies in faulty assumptions!14:03
YanielAFAIK serveradmins/SRE:s have 7-day weeks14:03
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chem|stVDVsx: vB just shipped a security fix14:04
chem|stor patches, the first vB are already rendered useless14:04
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msvcould someone make app for refreshing update checking? ;)14:05
jussiVDVsx: wait.... you are saying Stskeeps is human? o.O no........ he is definitely superhuman :D14:05
chem|stVDVsx: and well I would not mind having the 1.0 on a friday, as long as I can factory reset I can always go back to 1.0.2.514:06
Nicd-msv: please no, it would decimate jolla's servers14:06
jussimsv: as soon as you make me an app for making people more patient... :D14:06
VDVsxjussi, I said " most people.." :P14:06
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Morpog_PCI'm not that hot anymore for the update since I enabled the performance governor and my Jolla is smooth as butter :D14:06
Nicd-how's the battery usage?14:06
Morpog_PCnot bad14:07
tbrit probably just drives the gpu more aggressively. if the screen is off, then this is irrelevant. :)14:07
Morpog_PCalot better than with the NFC bug :D14:07
Morpog_PCtbr, yep, guess so14:07
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msv"unpatient people accidently ddos attacked Jolla"14:09
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opukare there any numbers available on how many jolla devices have been sold?14:10
msvyes14:10
msvone sold to me14:11
ln-yes, numbers 1..9, and 0.14:11
Yanielthat would not even be the first time that happens14:12
Wntopuk: one can get some kind of idea from the download count of Jolla's official applications in the Store14:12
Nicd-clock has "10000+" downloads14:12
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Wntearlier versions of the store clien also showed the exact download count14:13
Wntnot sure if that was changed on the server side or just in the client (or maybe the newer one uses a different communication protocol)14:13
Wntbut maybe one could downgrade to the older version and still get the exact counts from there14:14
chem|stWnt: most people reset their device at least once so this is off by far I guess14:14
chem|stsharpneli: you are on 2.5 right? what does the counters in store tell?14:14
Morpog_PCi never did14:14
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opuk10000+ are good, but I could use a more accurate number. I need to convince my bank that Jolla is a device that should matter, they don't like alien dalvik it seems :(14:14
chem|stMorpog_PC: most are not all14:14
Morpog_PCi don't think it's most14:15
YanielI guess 10k devices is not too far ffrom the truth14:15
Morpog_PCi would guess a minority14:15
sharpnelichem|st: I updated yesterday and the bug vanished after enabling debug info -> so I'm fully upgraded again.14:15
chem|stI reset like 3 times to get it working properly14:15
Morpog_PCbad luck then14:15
Wntyes, I also think that only a minority of users reset their devices or reinstall applications14:15
chem|stsharpneli: dou... "I wont show you anything while you are debugging!" :D14:15
chem|stmy sister did also like 3-4 times14:16
WntI cannot downgrade to the earlier versions anymore as my phone went to the service and now the factory reset resets it to 1.0.3.814:16
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sharpnelichem|st: Idd. I updated. Reproduced the bug in a quick test, rebooted with battery as that previously gave me 2s of sound. Enabled debugging and voila, no more sound bug :D14:27
raa70I had notification today that update is available14:29
flanagjust the old update again..14:30
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mornfallso, postponed, or waiting till the end of business hours? :P14:32
flanagwhen did the last update come? was it late in the evening?14:32
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gabriel9|workaround 16h14:33
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cvp?14:33
flanagwell 16.00 gmt?14:33
gabriel9|workmy GMT :D14:33
gabriel9|workbelegrade14:33
gabriel9|worktimezone14:33
ppLast-Modified: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:12:09 GMT14:34
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pp(released a week before that tho, no?)14:35
Morphyany news on the upcoming update?14:35
flanagdidn't it release on the last day of January?14:35
gabriel9|workyes14:36
MorphyI'm getting tired of these spontaneous reboots...14:36
gabriel9|worksometimes i wonder am i the only one without problems on Jolla :D14:37
Morphylucky bastard :)14:37
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ppdo try the remove battery for 10 mins trick14:37
MorphyOk14:37
tillI just don't like the ui freezing and connection problems :)14:38
ggabrielno problems here either14:38
MorphyI keep getting a call from an unknown number, and my Jolla reebots every time before I have time to answer it or write down the number :D14:38
ggabrielmust be a name thing14:38
StskeepsMorphy: from another planet14:39
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flanagyour Jolla is just protecting you from something14:39
MorphyI'm sure you're right :)14:40
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mornfallso I'm leaving house in ~1h for Fri night out, I'm sure the update will come 2 minutes before I have to go catch train :D14:50
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mornfallit'll taunt me all night with the update available notification14:51
CoderCandyHmm, my jolla has been suprisingky stable lately.14:51
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CoderCandybeen down sub 30% and everything.14:51
mornfallyeah, I only had one crash since I pulled out the battery 2 days or so ago14:51
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CoderCandyI have an uptime of more than a day!14:52
Nicd-my record is 10 days 19 h 22 min :)14:52
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CoderCandyLol, yeah.14:52
mornfallon the other hand, I didn't really leave home wifi14:53
CoderCandyIf that was the norm I'd not complain.14:53
ln-my uptime is something around 25d currently14:53
ggabrielmornfall: if that is the triger, then go now and think about the rest of us14:53
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CoderCandymornfall: I have this uptime 3G only14:53
CoderCandyThat is, 3G up all the time14:53
mornfallCoderCandy: I think stuff is most likely to break when changing connections14:54
CoderCandyAnd last reboot was manually enforced, due to.connection bug.14:54
CoderCandymornfall: well, I've been riding trains and all sort of things!14:54
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v3ng3anc3Guys, can i get the build for the Nexus 4 too?14:54
Stskeepsdid you sign up as early adopter?14:55
Stskeeps:P14:55
v3ng3anc3yes14:55
CoderCandyI just hope for the damn update before my stability luck runs out :P14:55
CoderCandyHere's a fire test though...14:55
CoderCandyEarly adopter?14:55
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Stskeepsv3ng3anc3: then it's just about waiting..14:56
CoderCandyBtw, is this bug present on other hardware than the jolla, or is it jolla exclusive?14:56
Stskeepswhich14:56
flanagsudden shutdowns/reboots and connection problem loop I imagine14:57
CoderCandyflanag: yup14:57
Stskeepsconnection loop - possibly14:57
Stskeepsfirst one, not likely14:58
CoderCandygood.14:58
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CoderCandyI'm thinking of migrating to a non jolla device until bug is fixed14:59
CoderCandyBut still have sailfish on it.14:59
CoderCandySince I really like sailfish14:59
Niuranme too14:59
Niuranuse another device until Sailfish works ok14:59
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Niuranbut i think jolla has not unleash the device "secret weapon" the other halves15:00
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Niuranmaybe in a few months it would change15:01
CoderCandyYeah, I don't feel like not using the jolla itself would be a great loss until TOHs start popping up.15:02
CoderCandyI also would like a language filter in the store...15:03
CoderCandySo I only see apps/comments in english or swedish.15:03
Niuranbut,for example,if sailfish works well in a Moto G, with better screen, and cost a half of the Jolla,why buy a Jolla? if only want the sailfish experience with a cheaper Android device it would be ok15:04
Niuranthe plus are the other halves  and they are not ready yet15:04
clauthe main attraction for me is the toh's that implement hw functionality15:04
claulike hw kb15:04
Niuranfor me too15:05
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clauchanging colors was done before, and thw nfc tag is noce, but not something I can't live without.15:05
clauhum, excuse the typos, I am using jolla vkb :P15:06
Niuranpowerhalf is interesting, super camera too, extra sensors ...15:06
claubtw, doesn't the horizontal vkv feel a tad too large?15:06
Teunthink toh nfc functionality extended to more system wide configurations would make it more valuable15:06
clauvkb*15:06
Niuranhope a Swype like keyboard soon15:07
claunever really used nfc, so I can't say I miss it.15:07
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clau+1 for the Swype.15:07
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clauit's beautiful for single hand usage.15:08
Teunlike having a toh with personal encription key to lock or unlock device15:08
Niuranand the screen legibility under sunlight...it gains superpowers and become invisible15:08
Teunas toh is personal any way15:08
gabriel9|workjust need hw kb and i am happy15:09
Teunjup,screen performance in sunlight is not so good 'understatement'15:09
gabriel9|workin fact one the main reason i buy Jolla is for that15:09
clauintel edison cluster toh.15:10
clauextra computing pwer for your phone :)15:10
Teungabriel9|work: did you preorder dirkv's hardware kb15:11
gabriel9|worknot yet15:11
Niuranis not only the screen itself,but the contrast between the keyboard and the letters should be better15:11
gabriel9|worki wait some reviews :D15:12
gabriel9|workI'm waitng*15:12
Teungoing to try it out on 28th of march15:12
gabriel9|workif people are happy i will order one for sure15:13
gabriel9|workJolla should help him15:13
Teunthink the kb would be ok , but the 3d printed matetial is normaly not that great15:13
clauwhat's the price?15:13
gabriel9|workit is in their interest also15:13
Teunabout €10015:13
gabriel9|workthat is not cheap15:14
gabriel9|workwith phone it will be 550 euros15:14
Teunlook it up on TMO.. there is a thread there15:14
TheBootroo_workany way we can stick a polarizing filter on the jolla screen to make it perfectly legible in sunlight ?15:14
Niuranit is "hand made", a serial produced one would be cheaper15:14
claumight get one, but I need to know it's worth the money.15:14
clauespecially quality wise15:15
Niuranpolarizing and screen protector maybe15:15
Niuranshould be great15:15
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narchieohijärvi when15:16
Teunjust got a update notification15:16
narchienope15:16
Teun... it's the fals alarm again15:17
narchieknew it15:17
narchie;_;15:17
Yanielno updates here15:17
Teunhate it when that happens15:17
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v3ng3anc3You should get a update fro Jolla?15:17
inffythis week, yes15:18
Teundoubt it if they will make it15:18
Teunthere must be an issue.. that is holding them back15:18
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v3ng3anc3I a realy hoping this OS takes of because Google is becoming an asshole15:20
gabriel9|workatleast we do not call any developer from jolla to gif update :D15:20
clauwas google different at any point?15:20
inffywhat you mean becoming? Google has been an asshole for long15:20
v3ng3anc3yeah it was15:20
clauok, maybe when it was small.15:20
v3ng3anc3yeah ... a few years15:20
Yanielthere was this time when they ran from a garage15:21
v3ng3anc3but when they lacked power they wore not like this15:21
v3ng3anc3:)15:21
flanagthey are continuosly removing features from the search and ruining youtube15:21
Nightmare__jallo could be a little more communicative, annunced that update at mwc and after that nothing...15:22
Teunso on twitter jollahq just put out the word15:22
v3ng3anc3and adding Commercial mid video15:22
inffyoh lol15:22
inffyno update today15:22
Teunno update today15:22
Teunnext week15:22
narchie;_;15:22
flanagarghh15:22
inffy"early next week"15:22
v3ng3anc3Guys, who can i bug again for the Sailfish Image?15:22
v3ng3anc3realy NEED it!15:22
Teunit saves me from continually checking15:22
inffywhat image?15:23
clauwas the update officially postponed?15:23
inffyhttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/44449332112656384015:23
v3ng3anc3Zip :P15:23
TheBootroo_work"Sorry for the wait, we're still rowing upstream on the final stretch for update which will be out early next week. Thanks for your patience!15:23
gabriel9|workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s15:23
Stskeepsv3ng3anc3: i don't see what you're bothered about, i told you several times that it first comes with the next update?15:23
TheBootroo_workfuck...15:23
TheBootroo_worknext wee15:23
TheBootroo_work+k15:23
v3ng3anc3i didn't see that15:23
TheBootroo_workand when we'll be there, they will say "next week"15:23
v3ng3anc3you told me to wait15:24
v3ng3anc3but i can't :(15:24
* Stskeeps goes look for the tranquilizer gun..15:24
Stskeeps:P15:24
gabriel9|workXD15:24
flanagyeah, that should help15:24
v3ng3anc3so let me get this REALY CLEAR! When the update comes next week there should be a Nexus 4 Port coming too?15:25
inffymaybe15:25
v3ng3anc3WHAT?!15:26
v3ng3anc3:)15:26
TeunI doubt that15:26
gabriel9|workno need for nexus 415:26
ShadowJKdoubtful, it seems like it's "closed beta" now.15:26
Stskeepsv3ng3anc3: it comes when it's ready for early adopters15:26
FireFly<inffy>   "early next week"    ← "early march" :P15:27
FireFlyoh well, I guess it's good that they're taking their time15:28
AardTheBootroo_work: we prefer to keep the amount of things that blow up for people during upgrade to a bare minimum15:28
* Yaniel wants an april 1st update15:29
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joonahoi_Yaniel: sadly it can't be announced before the date15:29
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v3ng3anc3From the videos online i see that the GS3 Port seems to work better then the Nexus 415:30
inffydon't trust everything you see on the internet :D15:30
YanielARE YOU IMPLYING SOMEONE COULD LIE ON THE INTERNET15:30
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v3ng3anc3i've seen a video from the MWC15:31
inffyof course not ;D15:31
inffyv3ng3anc3, you and thousands of others yeah15:31
v3ng3anc3comparring the 3 phones15:31
v3ng3anc3and what could it not be true ?15:31
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v3ng3anc3damn my english sucks :)15:32
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rangoyupdate postponed? who told them not to deploy on fridays?15:33
v3ng3anc3Well, if i wouldn't have sold my Nokia N9 ...15:33
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rangoyhttps://xkcd.com/386/15:33
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TheBootroo_workv3ng3anc3: don't trust people, everybody lies (except me and Chuck Norris)15:39
TheBootroo_workbut neither me or Chuck has tested SG3/N4 ports15:39
TheBootroo_work^^15:39
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mornfallhmm, my phone moved to a different timezone, wtf16:04
mornfalland I'm wondering why I have so much time left16:04
mornfallalso explains why it says that the mail was sent "in 10 minutes" instead of "50 minutes ago" ^_^16:05
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cvpUpdate is aviable............ 1.0.3.8.... damn it :D16:16
mornfallhttps://together.jolla.com/question/33151/news-march-update-delayed/16:16
mornfall_o/ gotta run for the train :-)))16:16
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araneaHi. Could someone please run "gconftool-2 -R /apps/jolla-settings" in the Jolla terminal and give me the output? I accidentally deleted the bluetooth shortcut from the main settings page...16:17
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mornfallaranea: just go to system -> bluetooth and long-press the BT toggle16:19
mornfallaranea: add to favourites16:19
araneamornfall: I already tried that, but it doesn't work. It adds a shortcut to the bluetooth settings, not a switch; when I press it, bluetooth isn't toggled, I just go to the bluetooth settings page16:20
Nightmare__you have to do that longpress an the toggle swith inside bluetooth settings16:20
Nightmare__*switch16:21
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araneagreat, thanks, mornfall & Nightmare__ !16:21
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araneaOh, and is there any way to prevent the root password being disabled when ssh is disabled?16:26
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cb400fguess you can manually stop the sshd.service in terminal at least16:30
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mornfallor mask it, even16:31
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intekula-Hi, I'm probably about to buy a jolla phone. I'm wondering if anyone has had any problems with the audio jack. My two last phones has ended up with that breaking first, I really don't want that to happen.16:34
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Sail0rok, looks like update comes next week16:35
Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/44449332112656384016:35
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flanagintekula-: No problems here but I don't really use the audio jack that much16:35
mornfalli use a bt headset so wouldn't know, intekulan16:35
intekulanOkay. I haven't found any threads about it either. So I guess it's fine.16:37
cb400ffor some reason it doesn't work with my N9 jack headset (a ton of noise)... but no problems with other headsets16:37
intekulanoh16:37
mornfallhmm, the landscape kbd could be a *little* slimmer...16:37
flanagcb400f: isn't that because of the different arrangement on the plug?16:38
cb400fguess so16:38
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araneamornfall: How can I mask the ssh service? I don't know much about systemd...16:42
Yanielsystemctl mask sshd.service16:43
mornfallsystemctl mask sshd.service methinks16:43
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araneathanks16:43
araneacan it still be started manually then, or would I have to unmask it before?16:44
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osatonintekulan, no problems. i use it with regular headphones daily16:48
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intekulanosaton: I'm on the ordering page :D16:49
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osatonlastucase review: very nice17:01
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intekulanOrder is now complete woo o/17:16
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sledgesintekulan \o/ (no problems with audio jack here whatsoever btw :))17:43
intekulangood to hear (pun intended)17:43
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sledges*g*17:45
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bennypr0faneguys, who uses sailbox? how can i download entire folders?  or do i have to do each file individually?17:47
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bennypr0fanewriting on Jolla irc client the first time btw, it's way cooler than i expected17:48
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bennypr0fanei didn't know you could have pulleys on the sides too.17:49
bennypr0fanei think this is the first app to make use of that17:50
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s1gk1lldoesnt make part of the SDK afaik17:52
s1gk1llthe devs probably do that themselves17:53
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Niuranpulleys at the sides would be great in sailfish interface18:02
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s1gk1llit depends, they/will interfere with basic page navigation18:04
Niurani think the ambience option is not so important to be at the sides in the main screen18:05
Niuranso they could be used there or in the apps18:06
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Niurani prefer to allow more than 9 apps in the main screen ,maybe scrolling at the sides18:07
s1gk1llyes, maybe someone already request that in tjc18:08
s1gk1llbut the "side" stream is kinda a business thing18:08
s1gk1llwe've seen that in MWC demos18:08
s1gk1llfor rovio and makia18:09
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Niuranyes,the ambience was at configuration menu18:09
s1gk1llimo, these kind of things should be customizable in the future18:10
s1gk1llas the OS matures, I think it will happen18:10
Niuranpossibly18:10
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gabriel9|jollaOK, my jolla just died with led blinking green18:38
gabriel9|jollawhat was that?18:39
mornfallblinking grern = busyloop18:39
tbrwasn't that a homescreen restart?18:39
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gabriel9|jolladuno18:40
gabriel9|jollait was ok, and then green blinking18:40
Nicd-gabriel9|jolla: http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/aliens-meme.jpeg18:40
gabriel9|jollaOne of the best. :D18:41
Nicd-green blinking was the giveaway18:41
tbrjust how are you going to work the ancient into the aliens? ;)18:42
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smokexwith an ancient pyramid or chunk of rock or sth?18:44
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gabriel9|jollaI dont mind aliens uf they fix my Jolla. :)18:45
Nicd-ancient pyramid? it's confirmed: Jolla is the 5th element18:45
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gabriel9|jollaThey are lizards18:47
keithzgI'm not saying it was aliens...18:49
keithzg...but it was aliens.18:49
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* chem|st was wondering if there are any eastereggs18:59
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keithzgHmm, I feel dumb, thp mentions in http://blog.gpodder.org/2014/01/gpodder-4-on-sailfish-os-progress.html that to run the current version of gPodder 4 from git on Sailfish, one just starts it by "pointing qmlscene at the harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.qml file".  But there's no qmlscene in my path . . . clearly I'm just entirely confused as to how QML-based apps are invoked these days.19:00
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merlin1991keithzg: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qmlscene19:01
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keithzgmerlin1991: Hmm, really? My /usr/lib/qt5/bin only has qglinfo, servicefw, sfwlisten, xmlpattersn and xmlpatternsvalidator19:03
merlin1991then you're missing a package, gimme a second19:03
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merlin1991you need qt5-declarative-qmlscene19:04
merlin1991err qt5-qtdeclarative-qmlscene19:05
keithzgheh yeah I figured *that* out with a quick zypper search qmlscene, which I should've done to start with, durrr.19:06
keithzgThank you!19:07
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thpkeithzg: best is also to grab the latest pyotherside from my obs repo to avoid crashes19:21
thphttp://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/thp:/gpodder/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/19:22
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thpwhich reminds me, i should probably trigger a build of python 3.3.5 there ;)19:23
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keithzgthp: oho, thanks!19:27
cvpany infos about sailchat ?19:29
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Grauwolfhm the mailclient does not check on configured intervalls. is this a known issue?19:52
stephgGrauwolf, yep19:58
stephgthink it might be fixed in the upcoming release19:58
stephg(iirc it's a device sleep thing rather than a mail client thing)19:58
Grauwolfi was hoping imap idle would be supported in the upcoming release. already checking every hour or so :F19:59
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Grauwolfoh https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/44449332112656384020:02
stephgnext week yeah20:03
Nightmare__it's allways "next week" :D20:04
Sail0rhehe20:04
Sail0rmaybe they should switch to "when it is done" ;)20:04
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EztranWell, it'd always be true.20:07
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keithzgEztran: Not necessarily, for example I've heard of some iOS updates that went out without really being done ;)20:10
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EztranI was thinking for Jolla specifically, but very true.20:12
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Sail0rupdate cycles are #unlike but they should take their time :)20:16
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cvpafter standard word "soon" comes "next week" :D20:29
Quuvalve-tomorrow20:34
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FireFlyI'm thinking maybe they should've released a hotfix for the bootloop issue as soon as that was decently well-tested20:58
FireFlyThen delaying the regular update cycle wouldn't hurt as much20:58
FireFlyBut of course, hindsight is 20/20 as they say20:59
* FireFly shouldn't complain so much..20:59
sardiniFireFly, and security update, like libtls20:59
Stskeepsa hotfix is fwiw just as tough as a full release20:59
Stskeepsespecially if it's in lower layers20:59
FireFlyAll right21:00
FireFlyI was thinking it'd be less to test before shipping, or something21:01
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cvp,,, all speculation....21:08
Stskeepsfwiw it's not always just about releasing to users21:08
Stskeepsthese thing go to factories too21:08
Stskeepsrolling back an update online is easy21:08
Stskeepsflashed images not so much21:08
Sail0rwhy was the release postponed Stskeeps?21:09
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StskeepsSail0r: why is a release ever posted? wanting to get it right, of course21:10
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Sail0rcould be some problems with store maybe :)21:11
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flanagis there a specific issue that is holding you back?21:12
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Stskeepswell, i think i can motivate people to do post-update analysis of rpm changelogs to understand the hardships we have at times :)21:13
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cvpStskeeps: can you programming ?21:16
Sail0rnew challenges everywhere21:16
Stskeepscvp: yes, i code..21:16
Milo-this is starting to get very irritating to remove the battery every 2 weeks for 10 minutes to "fix" these random shutdowns.21:16
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Sail0ris there already a known cause for the random shutdowns?21:17
flanagthat would be nice to know21:17
Milo-just ended a call and right after pressing the "end call" button, it decided to shutdown for the third time today.21:18
Milo-sadly battery life isn't the issue :/21:19
Milo-"4,400 questions" in together. 4400 was a good tv show...21:20
cvpStskeeps: can you tell me how hard is it for you to make for me a application what can connection to my raspberry pi like a Terminal. Mainpage very easy: IP Adress from Raspberry Pi + Username + Password. Coverpage: swipe von left to right send a command like this: "sudo killall ambi-tv" and from right to left: "sudo /home/pi/ambi-tv-master/bin/ambi-tv --button-gpio 3"21:21
cvp?21:21
Stskeepscvp: you could probably easily make that in qml21:21
Stskeepsvery easily21:21
cvpi dont have any know about programming :(21:22
Stskeepsyou don't really have to21:24
cvphmm21:24
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Quuthats how Tieto does stuff too21:25
Accecvp: it's not hard, so if you like to learn new things, try it! :)21:26
cvpi really want21:26
Accedisclaimer: you might get hooked on it and find yourself working on shitty IT jobs in the future ;)21:27
cvpi try 10000 times to beginn read QT... and 15 minits later .... iam out21:27
Accehave you tried qmlbook.org?21:27
Acceand, the most important thing is to try the stuff at the same time you're reading21:27
cvpno but i save it21:27
cvpis there a site in german ?21:28
Accethat way it stays better in your memory and you get the nice feeling inside when the code works21:28
cvpyeah true21:28
Accehttp://meetmeego.org/2011/09/13/tutorial-qt-qml-und-app-entwicklung-qml-verstehen/21:29
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coderusno rooting for android in jolla?21:29
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cvpacce thank you21:30
cvpand hi coderus :)21:30
coderushellp21:30
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coderushello*21:31
grzywaczthat makes a difference ;)21:31
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cvpcant find the "Design" button on Qt Creator21:53
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cvpor is this not more need it ? :D21:54
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cvpi read this tutorial: http://meetmeego.org/2011/09/01/tutorial-qt-qml-und-app-entwicklung-%E2%80%93-der-qtcreator/#disqus_thread21:54
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M4rtinKcvp: could be that the QtCreator UI layout changed since then22:00
M4rtinKcvp: on the other hand, I write all my QML by hand anyway :)22:00
M4rtinKcvp: and don't even actually use QtCreator :)22:00
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Nightmare__as far as i know, there is no designer in qt creator from sailfish sdk22:11
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cvphm , and how can i see the resutat if i edit main.qml ?722:18
Sail0rrun it on the sailfish emulator22:18
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cvplol22:20
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cvpmy first 360 x360 pixel hello world :D22:20
Accecvp: grats ;)22:23
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cvpthe wis the width:540, height:960 wrong ?22:29
cvpthe wis the .... i mean ... is the ...22:31
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