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keithzgSo, after the nonsense I've gone through today finally becoming fairly certain that my N9 has wiped out my entire message history, how are messages stored in SailfishOS? Is there just an sqlite file I can backup periodically, or?00:24
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Aardkeithzg: yes00:27
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Aardwe're using commhistory, just like on the n9, but not with a tracker backend but sqlite00:27
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keithzgAard: Aha, thanks, and I see share/commhistory/commhistory.db there and it does indeed look like a nice straightforward sqlite database. Nice :)00:34
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coderuskeithzg: i'm getting messaging history lost on N9 sometimes05:35
coderusbut its not real "lost"05:35
coderussome troubles in tracker or so05:35
coderuswhen i see my messages disappeared i just "poweroff -f"05:36
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coderusand after reboot all my messages are in place :)05:36
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tehdelykilling the messaging-ui prestart process05:50
tehdelysolves that problem for me05:50
tehdelyon next launch of messaging, my messages are there...05:50
tehdelyi am in an interesting spot... i want to migrate notes + sms + call hist from my jolla back to my n9 so i can send the jolla back to finland to be serviced05:50
tehdelyas i smashed the screen...05:50
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cvpgood morning :)06:59
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cvpok right its not working in all games , thats true :D08:20
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AL13Nbuild chroot is sort of finally ready: https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/howto-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/10:50
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mpsimpsi_: hi, i have a problem with setting static IP on WLAN on my Jolla device: I can edit the settings, but after a moment it resets to as if not edited at all.11:38
mpsimpsi_: Is there any way to set static IP by editing config files?11:39
stephgmpsi, silly question but are you sure you're saving them via the interface?11:42
stephgi.e. you're swiping back instead of forward11:42
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mpsi_It resets to null before I have a chance to swipe back11:49
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ShadowJKI was able to set static ip12:01
tilldamn the vibration stopped on my jolla :(12:03
v3ng3anc3restart it12:04
tilldid twice12:05
tillremoved battery for some seconds12:05
tilland ran csd tool12:05
v3ng3anc3Software issues or dead motor ?12:07
tilllooks like dead motor, but it was working fine yesterday12:07
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v3ng3anc3sorry to hear that. But i guess you still have waranty, no?12:08
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tillyeah I should, got it in december. but don't want to wait some weeks :/12:10
Stskeepstill: probably good idea to contact care12:10
tillwill do on monday12:10
tillalthough is has some scratches, fell down some times. but the vibration was still working until today12:11
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Stskeepscsd can sometimes do false positives, just fwiw12:14
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Stskeepsor negatives12:14
tillwell maybe i try a factory reset or wait for the new software update12:15
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mtw^Testing 1 2 312:19
Stskeepsit works12:19
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walokrayeah it does, just testing different apps and taking screenshots12:20
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walokrai ignore join/parts/quits on my irssi show had to test it (mtw is my nick on communi) :)12:21
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Sail0rdoes anyone know if the 4G part of Jolla is capable of US frequencies?14:43
Yanielit is not even released yet14:44
ShadowJKNot on the phone currently sold to europe14:45
Sail0rYaniel: i know it was just a question when the activate 4g if it's running in the US14:47
Sail0rso only GSM in the us14:47
Sail0rok, so i have to take my old n900 or Galaxy s2 in the us14:47
Sail0rbut n900 is also not capable of umts i think14:48
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ShadowJKit is14:48
ShadowJKumts, wcdma, hspa, hsdpa, hsupa14:48
Sail0rbut not of the at&t frequencies or is it?14:49
ShadowJKBut again, US frequencies are so weird, so it falls on that14:49
Sail0rok i take the s214:50
dunpyeah from 60Hz ac...14:50
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kimmolii have wondered that the unit of frequency is same there...15:04
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StskeepsUS frequencies are just batshit insane15:05
Sail0ryep15:05
Stskeepsmade by the same kind of people that thought symbian and CDMA was a good idea15:06
Sail0rhehe15:06
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M4rtinKSDR & GNURadio for the rescue :)15:09
M4rtinKwould be probably pretty power inefficient though :)15:09
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Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/444661468089163776/photo/1/large15:35
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flanagreally?15:36
Yanielthe TOH looks nice actually15:37
Sail0rwould be cool :)15:37
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Sail0rare there news about the bluetooth integration?17:02
Sail0rlike sending contacts to the car etc17:02
flanagisn't that already working? I think that the contacts must be local though, if you sync them with google/something else, they don't work (I think I read something along these lines, I haven't tested it myself)17:04
flanagI can be totally wrong though, I might remember wrong17:05
Sail0rit's not working17:05
Sail0rbecause of missing bluetooth integration17:05
Sail0ronly with a hack it's working17:05
Sail0rat the moment my car has no access to the contacts17:06
flanagah sorry, I wonder where I got my false memories17:06
flanagwhat's the hack?17:06
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Venemohey :)17:07
flanaghi17:07
Venemoby this time, early march is over by any measure17:07
flanagwell, they announced that it's next week now (*early* next week)17:08
Venemolink please17:09
flanaghttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/44449332112656384017:10
Sail0rthe hack is described here flanag https://together.jolla.com/question/274/pbap-bluetooth-profile-support-is-requested/17:11
flanagthanks, Sail0r17:12
Venemothanks flanag17:15
Venemowell, this probably means next friday, then17:16
Stskeepsi dearly hope not17:17
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YanielI hope younited makes their linux client official soon17:18
Yanieland supports it better than dropbox does with theirs17:18
Sail0rhopefully next week otherwise I get it end of april :x17:19
VenemoStskeeps: are the email client and the browser getting love? :)17:20
StskeepsVenemo: afaik17:20
Stskeepsbut i'm not in those areas17:20
ggabrielemail client getting load sof love17:20
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Morpog_Venemo, you can follow browser progress on github after it was open sourced17:26
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pdanek1Any chance of update to 1.0 tomorrow?18:22
flanagnope18:22
flanag(if today for you is Saturday)18:22
pdanek1right18:22
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pdanek1I can't wait for keyboard-half.18:23
pdanek1I should be in 2nd batch. o.O18:23
Morpog_pdanek1, they said early next week18:23
pdanek1cool18:24
kimmoli_sailingthere is annoying bug with tohkbd, it is caused by something in qt \ sailfish \ uinput..18:25
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kimmoli_sailingafaik it is not fixed in update418:25
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flanagwhat's the bug exactly?18:26
kimmoli_sailingshift generated ? mark18:26
flanagright18:27
kimmoli_sailingit does not do this in terminal (fingerterm)18:27
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VenemoMorpog_: does18:51
VenemoMorpog_: does the GitHub site of the browser tell which version is gonna get into the public release?18:51
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Morpog_dunno, there is a branch which a new browser UI, but I guess that will come in a later update18:58
Venemoheh19:00
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Venemoat least if someone feels adventurous, they can build it from source19:01
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Morpog_you can see the new UI already in a mockup19:04
Morpog_https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/design/sailfish-browser-6.jpg?raw=true19:04
flanaghere? https://raw.github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/master/design/sailfish-browser-6.jpg19:04
flanagdamn19:04
Morpog_lol19:04
flanagat the same time19:04
flanagliterally the same second19:05
flanagwhat's that "tab history"? the history only for the current tab?19:08
Morpog_I guess history shown below tabs ;)19:09
flanagbut it even says "Tab history" in the browser in the mockup19:10
flanagmaybe I'm being stupid here but I don't get why it's called "tab history"19:11
Morpog_you need to ask Jaako :D19:11
Morpog_err Jaakko19:12
flanagbtw, isn't that kind of ambience colour shown on the mockup unachievable currently?19:12
flanaglooks really nice19:12
Morpog_it's the one from emulator19:13
flanagI know19:13
flanagbut would I get a similar colour for the browser panel with that wallpaper?19:13
Morpog_no19:13
flanagyeah19:14
Morpog_I have that wallpaper on my Jolla19:14
Morpog_ripped it from emulator ;)19:14
Morpog_i could manually tweal it19:14
Morpog_tweak it19:14
flanagyup19:14
Morpog_they could release that one as ambience package for all users19:14
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flanagwell, anyway I really like this UI mockup as it seems to get rid of watching the slow transition to the tab page as you pull it up yourself from the bottom19:15
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flanagah damn, nope19:16
flanagsaid that wrong19:16
coderuscp /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images/wallpaper.jpg /home/nemo/Pictures/Sailfish.jpg19:16
coderusgo to gallery and create new ambience19:17
flanagthe tab page is still seperate and comes from the button as a seperate page19:17
flanagwell, at least the url bar should be accessible quicker19:17
Morpog_coderus, i have that already, still it doesn't pick the same colors for texts19:17
flanagcoderus: thanks for that but I was mostly wondering about the colour19:18
coderuschallenge accepted19:18
flanagheh19:18
Morpog_lol :)19:18
phaeronVenemo: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/releases19:19
kimmoli_sailingtempting...19:20
flanag"0.9.14 ..Update first use into new design.."19:20
flanagyeah19:20
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Morpog_phaeron, well, that still doesn't tell us which release will be in in next update ;)19:21
coderuskimmoli_sailing: btw, same bug on emulator when typing with keyboard19:21
Morpog_annoying ? bug? :D19:21
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kimmoli_sailingyep, i have heard that too ( i dont emulate )19:22
phaeronMorpog_ 0.9.1219:22
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Morpog_would be great if we could build it easily with sdk in future, that way we would have a browser tehre too19:24
phaerontalk to veskuh :)19:25
flanaghttps://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/wiki/BuildingInstructions19:27
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Morpog_flanag, I said easily :D19:30
flanagwell, yeah :)19:30
Morpog_even better would be pre installed in sdk emulator19:30
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coderusi'll build jolla-browser myself soon19:34
coderusand can produce x86 packages too19:34
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flanagnice19:35
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Teun_coderus: can't you contribute to stock jolla browser as it is on github?19:49
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flanagI thought he meant that he's just building the newest version from github19:49
Teun_think stock briwser is okay,  but missing true tab browsing and gesture based navigation19:50
coderusTeun_: i'm talking about same :)19:50
Teun_ah19:50
Teun_cool19:50
Venemothanks phaeron19:50
Teun_think Jolla should put coderus on there payroll19:51
Venemonow the real question is, does it support real tabs now?19:53
VenemoTeun_: "their" is not "there"19:53
Teun_just wondering if it would be possible to completely integrate mitakuulu with jolla messaging .. that would realy be cool19:54
phaeronVenemo: np. I think it maybe planned19:54
Teun_venemo: my english is apparently not that good after a couple of beers19:55
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coderusMorpog_: flanag: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/ambience-sailfish-0.0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm20:28
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flanagdid you use some tricks to get a similar colour to the browser mockup?20:30
coderusi get values from abienced sqlite database on emulator20:30
coderusgot*20:30
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flanagright20:31
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Yanielstart920:38
StskeepsFor [device, own cloud, public cloud] would you store [nothing, shared items, metadata of everything you do]? What'd change the choices?20:39
Quuyes i would.20:39
flanagup20:39
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Stskeepsmore interested in the choices ;)20:40
Yanielshared items20:40
Stskeepsshared items being 'stuff i choose to share'20:40
Yanielwell, "mark to be synced"20:41
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coderusi'm storing only items20:42
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Stskeepsworking on something and pondering how to make it properly privacy aware, so20:45
flanaghmm20:46
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VenemoStskeeps: I'd store anything on a device and an own cloud, if I was sure that nobody else (that I don't want to give my stuff to) can access it21:05
VenemoStskeeps: on a public cloud (or a device or own cloud that I don't trust) I would only store things I didn't mind sharing with any random persion21:06
Stskeeps:nod:21:06
Yanielie. stuff explicitly marked as shared/synced21:06
Venemoon the device, a lock code is a good way to ensure that nobody else gets my stuff :)21:07
Venemoon the other hand, I would never upload / post anything to Twitter or Facebook or Google Drive, or whereever that I had trouble explaining to my parents / friends / boss / etc, in other words I only use those services for things I don't mind sharing with anyone21:08
flanagVenemo: What would it need to have you assured that nobody can access your stuff, if you were uploading them to a cloud provided by someone else than yourself? In other words, how could they gain your trust?21:09
Venemoflanag: that's a tough question21:09
Venemoflanag: nowadays you never know who you can trust21:09
flanagyup21:10
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Venemogenerally though, I trust a service that is run by people I trust21:10
Stskeepswould you share more detailed data of your daily life it let's say, it improved openstreetmaps?21:10
Stskeepsand you'd know what was shared21:11
Venemoit depends21:11
messertingStskeeps: Yes, if I was in total controll of what was shared, I'd share more to specific services21:11
flanagIf I could have some detailed options on what I share and I could choose only those options that I'm comfortable with21:12
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Venemomeh21:13
Venemotoo easy to press Ctrl+Q in this IRC app21:13
Venemoanyway21:13
VenemoStskeeps: to your question, I'd say I'd allow collecting such data, as long as (1) I can turn it off when I don't want it (2) it doesn't track me personally21:13
Stskeepsnod21:14
Venemofor example, if openstreetmaps doesn't keep track of when I went where and how long I stayed, it's fine21:14
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Venemook, that answer is a bit paranoid :)21:15
Venemogenerally, I don't go to 'bad' places, so for me (personally) it's not really an issue21:15
flanagwell, what if you visited some places that would be considered bad after, for example, another political party would come to power?21:16
Venemoyeah21:16
Venemothat's why I gave the paranoid answer21:16
bennypr0faneso, i have bo read  permission for everything i download to /home/nemo  ...what's that all about?21:17
bennypr0faneactually, make that "no" read permission21:17
Venemoit'd be quite unsetting if someone (who maybe knows a bit about me) could track what/when I do, by data gained from openstreetmaps21:18
Venemospeaking of cloud, I would trust "Jolla Cloud", knowing it is maintained by Jolla (which in turn is run by people I trust)21:19
Venemohowever I don't trust a random 3rd party cloud service21:19
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bennypr0fanealso: how do you guys transfer files from yr pc to the Jolla?21:19
Yanielscp/sshfs21:19
Venemobennypr0fane: depends on what OS you have on your PC :)21:19
flanagwell, Jolla's cloud would probably be operated by F-Secure (Younited)21:19
Venemobennypr0fane: I personally just use SSH21:19
Venemoflanag: I'm not sure I can trust F-Secure21:20
flanagyeah21:20
VenemoStskeeps: what do you (personally) think of these privacy things?21:21
Stskeepsit depends on a lot of things, like if i believed that it would help my experience and other's, i'd possibly share a lot to cloud21:22
Stskeepsie, the wiki editor mindset21:22
bennypr0faneafaik, ssh is not transferring files, but issuing commands. do you have a file server set up on the Jolla?21:22
Yanielthere are scp (cp over ssh) and sftp (sftp-like thing over ssh)21:23
Yanieland sshfs == mount a remote directory over ssh21:23
bennypr0fanei believe u can trust f-secure more  than Dropbox, in many respects21:24
bennypr0faneYaniel wow there are no limits, huh?21:24
Yanielpretty much21:25
Yanielfor example the dropbox client on my linux box is b0rked for whatever reason21:25
bennypr0fanesi does anyone else have issues with permissions in user land?21:26
Yanielso I sshfs'ed the folder on my laptop to sync files between the two21:26
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bennypr0faneYaniel sync, as in rsync or just plain manual cp?21:27
Yanielcp21:27
Yanielon the laptop it is drag'n'drop stuff around in finder :D21:27
bennypr0fanewhat s finder niw21:27
bennypr0fane*now21:27
Yanielthe file browser on OSX21:28
bennypr0fanei use linux mint21:28
bennypr0faneanother question: whats the path to the sdcard? there seem to be 2 - or more21:29
Yaniel/var/run/user/100000/media/sdcard or so21:30
Yanielthe user with more digits21:30
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phaeronThat will change in coming update21:31
Yaniel:/21:31
Yanielto something simpler I hope?21:32
Yaniellike /media/sdcard21:32
phaeron/media/sdcard/<uuid>21:32
Yanielas if there could be more sdcards21:33
phaeronYaniel: partitions :)21:33
Yanielah, right21:33
phaeronhttps://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils21:33
Yanielthat makes sense21:33
Yanieldoes automounting of btrfs finally work ^^21:33
phaeronyes21:33
Yaniel\o/21:34
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eye_ajolla )0lla joh21:54
Teguas long as Jolla keeps Younited completely optional and opt-in service (which I don't really doubt), I guess it's OK.21:58
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Venemohm, I've just seen the lastu case22:32
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flanagwhat do you think?22:32
VenemoI don't get it, why don't they make a full-blown TOH, instead of that sticker thing22:32
flanagyeah, I thought about that too22:33
Quubecause its easier/faster to make one single chip of wood.22:36
flanagand then charge 50 euros22:36
Quuyes.22:36
Quubecause design22:36
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Venemoheh22:42
Venemoit's only 2522:42
Venemo""only""22:42
flanagah, I thought you were talking about the full case22:42
flanagwhich includes a flip cover and TOH22:42
flanagthat's 50 euros22:43
Venemothat only includes a white TOH and an ugly pouch22:43
flanagyeah22:43
VenemoI already have a white TOH and am not interested in those ugly-looking pouches22:43
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Venemobut22:43
Venemoon the other hand22:43
Venemoit's good to see that jolla is being supported :)22:44
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Quumaybe i should start making similar style thingies from rusted iron22:49
Quubecause why not, people be silly and buy all the stuff22:49
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flanagsounds like a plan22:49
Venemowhy is it silly?22:49
Venemoeveryone has the right to have style22:50
Quusure sure22:50
Quubut buying overpriced woodchip is bit silly22:50
Quukinda like all apple products22:50
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Venemomaybe in your opinion22:54
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